I said before this trip that the Jazz would probaly go 2-3 on this roadie, but
quite frankly they will be lucky to get that. Now it looks more like a road trip
of 1-4 is more likely. What a sorry bunch!
Shame on you Jazz...that was the ugliest game I did ever see.
They completely throttled both DWill and Boozer. They also totally disrupted the
Sloan offense. It was pathetic.When Maynor came in the offense ran.
Sloan experimented with line ups but for the most part the shooting was poor but
the defensive intensity picked up. The fast pace of the 3rd Q blew
the starters out. Sloan's offense is worthless on the road. It gets
disrupted and he/DWill do not control the pace of the game. That is
partly Sloan's fault and it is partly DWill's fault. The rest of the team had no
intensity with the exception of AK and Fes. Both of them played well. Maynor
played well.Sloan did switch to a zone and that worked. But then he
went man to man again and it was pathetic again. I do not understand Sloan
sometimes. This one is more on the players than Sloan but his
offense is fragil and easily disrupted. Another lanky quick team
that the Jazz do not match up well with. The inside game did not work, shooting
was poor. Maynor, Fes and AK could run the offense. Where was the rest of the
team and Why?
Looks like Sloan decided to let his starters rest in a forgone conclusion game.
Might as well. The Jazz aren't going to win every road game on this trip.D-Will should play better against the Bobcats Saturday night. Not sure
about Booz.This road trip is a bad time (or maybe in the long run a
good time?) to be introducing players into the line-up for a team that was
clicking while shorthanded.This road trip is going to be
it is also in the 82game data on 5 man combos. The starters can't run the
offense on the road so they shoot jump shots. AK and Maynor can run
the offense together. When Fes comes in the offense also starts running. That shows in the combo data and it showed strikingly well tonight. Sloan's favorite combo (his starters) is only good against certain types
of teams. They get killed on the road by tall quick defenders. Maybe
he should start adjusting his combos for the strengths of the other team. Part of this is on the players. They need to spend a day shooting FTs.
The starters also did not hustle at all. I really do blame DWill for
some of the bad road record. He sets the pace. He runs a slower pace on the
road. How come Maynor can run the offense and DWill can't? Yes I
know ALT put a tall guard on DWill. The ALT coach knows how to coach. He knows
how to disrupt Sloan's offense. There are reasons for the pathetic
patterns. Sloan and DWill know what they are but will not say on camera.
Sloan should think about playing Maynor and AK a lot more if DWill can't run the
offense. Fes needs to come in fast and play long if Boozer is throttled. Boozer
can play with Fes in. Sloan's offense is worthless if it can't be
run. There are times when it will only run if you have the combo of
Maynor pushing pace with AK as point forward. OR Fes as the old throwback C
which changes the inside game so that it starts to work. Sloan
should know what he is doing. Why does he insist on playing his favorite combo
knowing it is not going to work and is not working. He did put the 2nd unit is
fairly quickly and he did play zone but he has got to be smart enough to know
that if the starters did not work in Q1 they are not going to work in Q3. Does he ever learn? Where is the benefit of 20 years of coaching?The players did start playing D and that worked for a while but where
was the intensity in the first Q? Some of the players just dog it.
The team pays.
i wish Greg Miller would sell the Jazz and buy an NHL hockey team. hockey is
such a much more interesting sport than manball.
The road woes are partly the players. Enough of them just go thru the motions
and plan on turning it one in the last 8 minutes if it is close. That fouls up
the whole team and negates those who try hard. Part of the problem
is Sloan and his set rotations. He just does his normal routine knowing full
well it is a bad match up and that WILL NOT WORK and then makes no adjustment
until it is hopeless. For cying out loud. Sloan has coached for 20
years he know what is going to work and what will not and why before the team
ever takes the floor. Try making a change in the line up for each
team. You might win. You know you are going to lose by doing what you do before
you do it. Why do you do it? You can't be that dumb.The right
defenders totally negate DWill and Boozer. At that point it is over because
Sloan will never adjust fast enough even if he does the right thing
eventually.It is mostly a matter of getting out coached. The smart
coaches rely on Sloan patterns and slow reactions.
Is Okur even trying to play defense? If he is, he has to be the worst defender
in the NBA! Sloan: He just sat there with his mouth wide open
during the melt down. Even the commentator's were wondering why he didn't call a
timeout. They also commented on all the points that were scored in the paint.
Ever heard of the 7 footer that weighs 300lbs by the name of Fes. Yes he does
make mistakes, but he changes things in the paint. I wonder why he is put in
when its too late?
ATL has a real coach. He prepared his team to disrupt Sloan's tired old pathetic
fragile offense. Sloan had no answer. Actually he did. He played
Maynor with AK and it worked.He played zone and it worked. Then he went right
back to what he started with and it did not work. He made no real adjustment. He
just did his normal rotation. ALT actually had a game plan and
totally disrupted Sloan's routine. ALT got into the passing lanes and stole the
Jazz blind. They knew what the Jazz were going to do because Sloan and the Jazz
are about as predictable as a well rehearst script. One team has a
coach and one team has a robot. The coach won. Sloan might adjust next game but
don't bet on it. ALT's coach used Utah's passing game and assist
ratio against them. They took Utah's strength and negated it. That
is what real coaches do. They exploit weakness and the make strength weakness.
That is what Sloan does not do. He just has a system that many teams
do not plan for. That is why we want a real coach and
So the night after Charles and Kenny deem dwill the best point gaurd in the NBA
he lays an absolute egg and CP3 beats the nuggets with 30 points 19 assists.
to this anymore. We all come and complain and hope for the Jazz to change
something but face it they never will. Sloan will never change. O'Connor will
still do nothing to make the team better. The Millers will always be
intimidated and scared to do anything about Sloan running the team into the
ground. And the Jazz will not win a championship this year nor next year nor
the year after that. As much as i hate to admit it. The Jazz are a second tier
team. And they will win some good games but lose some very bad games. Reality
You gotta love it baby!!!!... We love it when ya lose... So lose some more
Oh yeah and Go Charlotte!!!
Player. They have been hand picked by Sloan and really are not that good. Each
one has serious limitations. If the Sloan system is disrupted they are just not
good enough to play jungle ball and win. They are totally dependent on the
system. The system is easily disrupted. DEN figured it out last
year. Other teams have picked it up. The system is a lot easier to
disrupt on the road due to the way the refs call games. The vaunted
Sloan system is a major liability as are many of the players if the system can't
be run. DWill is supposed to be a super star. However, he gets shut
down by big guards and can't handle small quick ones. Boozer is
great when the system works but he is undersized and a bad fading jump shooter
when defended by tall athletic PFs.Okur is a Euro C. He also is not
that quick or a banger.Brewer is a non shooting (slashing) guard.
CJ is talented but erratic. He may do better with a gun team. AK is playing out of his best position. He plays 4 for a gun team
Korver is a shooting specialist but slow defender (tries hard). Millsap is an undersize PF who can rebound well but fouls a lot (getting
better with his moves and shot). Mathews is a rookie with a lot of
talent and no experience. Same with Mathews. Fes and Koufos are
still big projects. Price is insurance. How many of these players
would fit well on a contender?With the exception of Mathews and AK
none of them play D well. DWill probably could start for a
contender. AK is a generalist who would come off of the bench on most
contenders. Boozer would not start for most contenders as he is not long enough
nor good enough at D. The rest are specialists. They only fit the
Jazz or would be specialist role players.Sloan has created a team
that is only good when his offense is functioning. Too many teams have figured
out how to stop his offense dead. The Sloan's show is obsolete.
Further, his hand picked players have to many exploitable weaknesses to make it
work long enough to advance in the playoffs.He makes the playoffs
but can't advance. Get a real coach/system.
This is all that needs to be said because anything else I say about Sloan will
be edited as this is not a free country.In the 3rd Quarter reading
th Box score; Atlanta outscored the Jazz 23-6 in 6 minutes. Horford was
boarding, scoring outbacks, short shots. Marvin Williams was doing whatever he
wanted.Was that not Brewer man? Where was Okur defensively?If you want 2 players that are best to be dealt there may be at
least the Brewer possibility.Incidentally, To Sloan and his
"you know whos" during a 23-6 run, not A) one timeout called by your "man" and
2) no subs as in no Fes althoughly clearly Atlanta had a walk inside layup drill
or volleyball DVD
Jazz got players just cannot have good chemistry and coach. You just cannot live
in feudal era.
Well i'm glad I didn't see this game. Looking at the box score is even painful.
Sounds like a few bench guys did alright, but not much positive to say about
I am emailing Nunn on this more info go into to the Jazz Oracle by tomorrow on
Coaches stay around long enough and the ship will eventaully sink...in
athletics, business, government, it all works that way. The systems eventually
get figured out and the vibrant younger opponents take over. It is even common
in nature.Jerry, are you sorry you stayed around so long?Tell
us. then do somethi8ng about it. PS We love ya Jerry..so retire. It
is time for youto start enjoying life on the farm. Greg won't fire someone
like you who watched him grow up. He has respect for you.
Who can get more out of this squad than Sloan?I already have John
Lucas, Avery Johnson, Rick Mahorn, Bill Laimbeer, Reggie Theus, Tim Grgovich.
That is just the appetizer not even to the main course yet.
Notice the photo on your right of Fesenko putting a thought into Jeff Teague's
mind.When you are playing a team like Atlanta with athleticism and
plays long, the Jazz should have just lived with a zone. However, Zones can be
creative and effective, so many defenses box and 1, 2-3, matchup like Boeheim
team at Syracuse.Sloan makes not one change in the 3rd quarter until
the game is out of reach. Watch the 2 minute video available
online on Highlight package, and watch Okur and tell me if he is making any
effort.. Whoever said he does is not telling the truth.. talk about a "one
trick pony"Guess what though we extended his contract...
He mentioned, Boozer, AK and Miles for Rudy Gay and Gasol.Most
agreeable. However, I agree Boozer and Okur together are not effective. Boozer
like him or not still has numbers among the best power forwards around. Instead
of Boozer, maybe throw in Price and Brewer.Brewer to me is
underacheiving because inconsistent with his skill set. The jumper is still
faulty. Now that Memphis has improved to (11-15) they are making progress so I
doubt any trade can be made they would agree to.I still say a
solution is Golden State or the Wizards teams that have nowhere to go period. I
am thinking of Caron Butler. I cannot believe they will not shake up the
roster. One must remember Flip Sanders had to inherit this squad and not
exactly his own.
Was anyone surprised by the jazz performance tonight? I hope not because I
don't see this changing. As long as we have okur and boozer on this team it's
going to be the same old. They provide the worst interior defense in the
league. Boozer needs to be gone before the deadline. If they wanna package him
with okur I'd be happy too. Problem is no one wants boozer for 12 million a
year. It will be hilarious if he ends up walking after this season because he's
going to take a big pay cut.
SLOAN at Pregame: Hey phil, you have those tapes of the hawks you were telling
me about, I didn't have a chance to look over them, i hope you scouted them, i
didn't.Sloan after the first six minutes:Hey, it looks like ak is
making a difference, hey, I better take him out before the guys get close.Sloan at halftime: I know okur is getting abused inside, and that by
all means, ak47 should be in the starting lineup, and I should probably start
fez the secondhalf too, but, its going to take alot of effort for my starters to
undo my total lack of preparation, and I'd rather watch them burn so I can blame
it on them later. since i have no game plan or offensive scheme, or any idea of
how to disrupt the hawks, for example, I could call a timeout and tell dwill to
dribble baseline, but i won't, . ill try to pretend like im not having fun
watching you guys burn as the hawks outscore you by 30POINTS in 6 minutes. really, is sloan for real? what a total lack of preparation, along with
incompetent game managment.
I used to be Jazz cop, after last night, I don't want the legacy of my monniker
tarnished, its time for a change, i'm fez pop, i'm going to change my monniker
because sloan stinks.can anything really be said about sloan after
last night? why isn't ak starting?why does he burn this
team, over and over? Wouldn't it have been better to makes some subs, try to
give the starters a chance in the last five minutes,tahts the kind of game
it was last night, instead, burn baby burn.sloan better be
looking at tapes of charlotte and coming up with a game plan,it was
obvious he did nothing to prepare for the game last night,get rid of
himi probably know more about the hawks then he does,and thats not a
Sloans lack of preparation is almost as apalling as his game managment.he could've saved the game by keeping ak in, like the whole game.he could've saved the game by starting fez in the second halfat
the half, i thought, the best way for the jazz to get ten quick points is start
fez, have some energy, get ten quick points, then pull him. thats what i
would've done.but i thought, thats too much to ask for sloan, at
least i was sure he'd start kirilenko. i thought that would at least keep us
close.sloan blew the game, sloan, not williams, owes everyone an
apology, not only for last night, but for the last twenty years, i like the
apology from williams, but i want one from sloan, sloan is dogging it twice as
much as any player.what kind of coaches watches his team burn like
that? not a good one.
On the upside, my boy fez got some minutes, hes getting a chance to loosen up,
the jazz second unit worked the hawks second unit.i liked mathews
contribution so far, but you have to wonder, how long will he be in the starting
lineup, i don't think hes just "earned" his starting role, i think hes earned
time in the rotation so far, thats all.this is what the starting
lineup should be:fesenkoboozerak47korver/brewerwilliamsthose five give us the best chance, i put a / between
korver brewer, i think korver is the longterm starter, brewer should start in
the meantime, both deserve to start.how long will okur start?
crying out loud. id hope that last night would send him to the bench, along with
his body of work the last two years, i doubt it. okur can be a good backup, i'd
bring him off the bench, give him 25 minutes off the bench, start korver and
have okur off the bench, thats what Id do!!!this is what sloan
will do, nothing, including scouting on other teams, nothing,watch corn
mayber, thats it.
Just putting ak into the starting lineup would help alot, sloan is just going to
wait until there is no chemistry with ak and the starting unit, then he'll do it
and blame ak for it.theres no good reason, since last year, that ak
hasnt been in the starting lineup, we have plenty of guys off the bench now,
start the five best players for crying out loud, sloan is trying to
do it like poopyvich, it works for the spurs, bringin manu off the bench, okur can be our man off the bench, instant offense, start fez for crying out
loud, give us some defense, or at least the hope that we might see some.a coach could use last night as an excuse to bench anyone, he could
bench okur because of last night, will he? no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!right
now is as good a time as any to make some changes to the starting lineup.starting ak47 is a no brainer, and it should've happened since last
year. the jazz are better with him in the starting lineup.i'd try
that for now.with plans to start fez down the road.
If I were sloan, i'd immediately put ak into the starting lineup, move brewer to
starting guard, this shouldn't cause much ripples in the locker room.In the next few games, I'd then switch korver in at starting guard.I'd keep okur on a very short leash, i'd make it known to him that his
starting job is on the line, that unless he steps it up, he's going to get
jerked around and played in unusual positions, positions where he won't kill the
team, because hes killing us. yeah, fesenko isn't the answer right now, neither
is millsap, but fesenko would be starting for me after about twenty more games,
based on last night, theres good reason to think he should start right now.is sloan even aware of who the bobcats have on their roster?does he have a game plan?I doubt it, his modus operandi is to blame the
players for his lack of preparation and management,williams
apologizes, man, that hurts, what does sloan do, blame the players, watch
the team burn,man.sloan owes us twenty years worth of
Cha is going to have a game plan, probably alot like atl. they are going to
attack okur and expose the jazz weakest link. thats the word on the street.is sloan going to have a counter plan of attack.is he going
to anticipate how cha will attack okur? how they might attack boozer, or any of
the other players? does he have an answer, no!!!!!can sloan take
advantage of the fact that the game plan is attack okur, and use that as
leverage, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!its not okurs fault, hes got alligator
arms, and hes slow running the court, like, all the time, for no good reason?theres places in the game for okur, he can be instant offense, he can be
effective, but if hes getting attacked, if the game plan is attack okur, thats
what happened last night, they expose okur, open up the outside and hit 3's,
once okur gets exposed, he needs to be pulled. you can't keep him in the game,
come on sloan, get with it!!!!!!!!!!okur gets attacked on a regular basis, and
it kills the jazz, but its sloans fault!!!!!!!!
Okur gets attacked because he's slow and soft, he might have a better idea of
whats going on than fez, but it don't matter, teams usually have their way with
okur, at least with fez, the other team is going to have to play smart ball to
take advantage of him, and its not going to happen every time down the court as
it does with okur. plus, its easier to stomach fez making a mistake, than okur
just getting abused.come on, okur is instant offense, the jazz need
defense, when is okur going to start playing defense, tonight? every game? the
fact is, i think he tries, he's too slow, which you wonder why? but ontop of
that, he's not long enough.
Proposed deal? You cannot trade Boozer, AK, and Miles for Gay and Gasol. AK
and Booz make WAAYYYYY too much money for that trade to even be legal. Even if
the NBA did allow that trade, why would Memphis give up Gay and Gasol for AK and
Booz, especially when they already have Zach Randolph on their team?
D-WIll thinks he is an all star with 2 whole points. This team needs a shakeup
in the worst way. Just goes to show CP should have been taken as the Jazz point
guard. The one we have now is just an egotistical loser. The whole situation is
just plain pathetic!!!
the hawks have done a good job of building on their success, when they play with
that kind of energy, they're tough to beat, for anyone.the jazz have
done nothing to improve for the last two years, fez should've been playing since
last year, okur has hurt this team far more than he has helped it the last two
years, its time for okur to find some minutes at the backup, how
long will it take sloan to realize hes an idiot?
@dwill rocksTheres got to be about 30 teams in the league that would
love to pay boozer only 12 mil a year, get a clue, boozer will get a raise next
year, boozer is an allstar, and if sloan plays it right, boozer is one of the
best pf in the game today, and easily gets 20 and 10 every night.problem
is,sloan is a botch job waiting to happen.
The salaries don't match up for your trade scenario. At least make a trade up
that works.Todd what are outbacks? And how did Horford score them. Did he
get gift cards to the outback or what?Get a life man and only post once or
One last comment, i liked how sloan pulled all the starters at once, woodson
counters by pulling all his starters, this is still the third period, instead of
putting boozer and dwill back in the game, slaon just gives the game away, the
whole fourth quarter is both second units,what a waste, this is what fans
pay to see, sloan botching games, all his talk about staying competitive, it
sure didn't look like he was trying to win the game last night, what a joke of a
coach, i've seen enough, hes got to go, him and okur, bye bye.
notice the caption on the photo. I don't see Milsap in the picture. I see AK and
Fez. DNews should hire me, at least I know who the players are and can read the
jerseys. As for the game, I didn't see it and am glad I didn't. I
probably would have just turned it off. Just like Jazz players turned their game
off. Just like Sloan turned his brain off. Most sports analyst thought the Jazz
would lose, but to not even show up, I don't think anyone could have predicted
that. Although we could predict Sloans coaching and substituting.
Jerry should start:Maynor - PGPrice - SGMiles - SFKirilenko - PFFes - CThen maybe think about bringing in the
rest. At least then maybe we will see some effort. The starters should be
penalized for their lack of effort and giving up. Jerry should also bench
himself and let Phil run the team.
This a team molded and put together by Sloan and O'Connor. No inheiratance here.
This team was traded for drafted and signed by those two men and their seconds.
The blame lays right where it should. As for the Sloan offense, well if he's
such a good coach of Hall of Fame stature why doesn't he have more than one
system to go to when things go in the gutter? Nightly match-ups are what this
league is all about! Your system and players stink Sloan! Get out of the way and
let new blood develop a new look team PLEASE!
Plenty of blame to go around,including coaches,other than Matthews,Maynor,AK and
Millsap,and a lot of that was garbage time,no one came ready,period,trying to
run with the Atlanta`s and Phoenix`s is like giving a suicidal person a loaded
gun.WON`T WORK,we need a shooting guard and a center plain and simple,Memo is
not a center,fes is a project,and we don`t have a decent shooter that`s
reliable,and I`m tired of "waiting for "MILES" to "DEVELOPE" not gonna
happen,trade for Gasol and Gay,send either Memo or Boozer,Miles for sure and
throw in a handful more if you need to.Keep D,-will Millsap,Matthews,the rest
Jazz fans need to wake up and smell the coffee. You people blame your coach and
some of your players as if the hawks had nothing to do with your team losing
last night.The hawks are a very good defensive minded team, so
whenever your team come to play, they better be prepared to go to war. The hawks
are very athletic and capable of shuting down any team on any given night.(Our
stats don't lie)Since you people are complaining about Boozer and
D.William are not getting the job done, how about sending them to the ATL for
Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby. I can live with that trade. Can you?
why would Memphis make that trade? they gave Pao Gasol to the Lakers,why won`t
they give us a couple of players??
I can't help but wonder what these guys are doing while out on the road.
Partying perhaps??? In any case, their heads are sure not in the game. I'm
sick of seeing opposing players blow by Jazz defenders on the periphery and
drive unopposed all the way to the basket and then on the other end the Jazz
just walking around or standing around on offense. As talented as he is, D-Will
starts trying to make it a "Williams-Boozer" game and forgets the other players.
No wonder they stand around. Anyway, they all play like they have cement in
Boozers lack of defense has been totally exposed playing next to Okur. Fes
should start with Booze and bring Okur off the bench with Milsap. Fes starting
would set a defensive tone down low.Maynor pushes the ball and gets
us into our offense quick enough for it to have a chance of working. I do not
know why D-Will is so insistant on walking the ball up allowing the defense to
set.Sloan is really struggling coaching right now. It doesn't seem
like he is in control of his team. He doesn't have any solutions. He doesn't
trust his bigs enough to turn to them for help. Has he forgotten the importance
of defense in the paint? His System and use of available personel is very
questionable right now.
I have a life, but why not talk with your friend Greg and get change. After
all, you told all of us how the Jazz were moving to BoiseBy the way
Joe, I will post when I want, whatever I want. You take things way too
personally, lightening up would be superb idea. Maybe, Greg told you at the
Gym today his long term plans
There is a difference between being critical of a player over just thinking the
player is worthless and needs to go.DWIL is an example: I would not
trade him. Yes he has faults defensively and recognition. Yes, he slows down
the game too much. However, you will not get a better player there.The former Jazz Cop could not have said it any any better. I am tired of Okur
masquerading as a Center. If you are going to make a trade, you will have a
better chance with Brewer, Miles, unfortunately Maynor, possibly AK if for
another expiring Salary and Okur. Any trade I would try and make using this
type of combination for a good Solid big#2 or to play as a #3 and a Center.Houdini's idea about Gay and Gasol I like a ton.The
Warriors, Wizards, Sixers, Knicks and Toronto mainly would be the teams I would
look to see if a trade scenario would work with someone coming back who could
truly help us. Bosh, Maggette, Butler, Jamison are some of the people I am
You can see the signs everytime it happens and it usually begins with D-Will
WALKING THE BALL UP THE FLOOR.It all goes down hill from there.
Zero early offense--nothing to spark his team into playing defense.Then after he lazily plodded up the floor he forced passes into players who
were not open which resulted in repeated turnovers.D-Will WAS
CHECKED OUT LAST NIGHT.IF I DID NOT KNOW BETTER I WOULD SAY HE HAD
NO INTENTION OF WINNING THAT GAME.Not even a mild effort.Jumpshots only.Allstar?Great/good players have bad
games but at least they still try.I seriously did not even see him
trying--worse than that he did not even look bothered by it as he sat on the
bench for most of the game.When a backup rookie PG runs the offense
better than our supposed allstar PG--you know something else is up.Maybe the Barkley interview stirred up some old feelings?Time to
make a deal for some pieces that can win on the road. Boozer/Okur have to be
worth something right now.Have to trade one or the other--they can't
Last comments for now: Of Course, Brown is going to attack Okur. After all, he
does KNOW MEHMOUT QUITE WELL DOES HE NOT?There are many coaches
around the league who I think would drool with the talent on the Jazz roster and
have ideas how to utilize it.I will say this and truly believe it,
someone different from our head guy would turn CJ Miles into a polished, mature,
all around responsible player ready to get to all-star level. The player would
work hard for this type of coach to elevate his game. Knowing no changes will
be ever made there except for Phil Johnson in 2 years followed by Ty Corbin, we
need to explore trades.
Houdini, Jerry showed that he is a one trick pony. He can't adjust to the
defense because he only has one offensive scheme. Totally exposed.CJ can't help this team the way Jerry substitutes him. Shooters need to get
in a rhythem. Jerry needs to wake up soon or the season will be over. When
Jerry plays CJ over 20 minutes, Jazz win. When he plays him under 20 minutes,
Jazz lose unless it is feable NJ.Korver is useless.
By the way a birdie told me, after the Jazz suffer a meltdown, where today are
all of the "Sloanaholics" that only post when another soft article about how
great Jerry is here appears on the boards.People that have been
hibernating at Jellystone Park come out of the woodwork waking up same time with
Yogi Bear and his girlfriend and Ranger Smith
don't want to hear this but this is not just a player problem. Sloan is getting
out coached. Either he can't adjust his system so that it works, he is getting
mugged and stiffled by coaches who know how to disrupt his offense. OR he does not know how to get the players to implement his system. One or two
players not doing what they are supposed to will foul up the system.OR he is just not willing to make the adjustments, like jerking the right
players and inserting the right players (won't change rotations).Sloan has 20 years of experience with his system (and others). He has had
problems with the execution of the offense for 2 or more years. It is the same
team. He should know how to fix this or his system is worthless.Look
at the teams he has lost to. Many of them are not better teams. Look at his
wins. The only reason he beat LA is because the Jazz hit from the outside all
night long. He does not control the team or he is out coached or
both. Some night it is probably both.
@ Bench the StartersHey I think you might be on to something here. I
would like to see it for a few games just to see if it would work.
There is a chemistry problem between Sloan and the VETs. Sloan knows he is
dependent on the Vets for the most part, Boozer especially, Okur and DWill. He
knows he is going to play them and give them special treatment. Look
how he kissed up to Boozer and ruined the season last year just before the
playoffs. Further, Boozer had already said he was opting. There was no reason to
start Boozer except Sloan wanted to. Sloan is hostage to the VETS.
He kisses up. On the other hand when the team hits a well coached team and
starts losing Sloan does not make the adjustments that would win. The players know it is lost at that point and just start mailing it in. They
know they are going to lose no matter how hard they play so they pad their
stats. They are not dumb. They know what coaching changes need to be made and
know that they will not be made. Why bust you end for a lost cause?
Pad your stats and wait for Sloan to retire. You are getting paid anyway. None of them can say it is Sloan's fault. None of them will.
Seriously! At what point does it become the coaches fault that the Jazz can't
win on the road in 3 years? Apparently in Utah Jazz management land never.
Sloan had a great run, but it's time to step down.
road records in 20 years. Now that is a pattern. Sloan modified his
system last year when Boozer was out and Millsap could not run Boozer's play. We
know he is fully capable of adjusting when forced to. His system is
flexible enough that he can adjust and beat teams like LA, ATL, ORL. Those are
the phototypes of the modern NBA contenders. However, the key word there was
ADJUST. That word is not in Sloan vocab or he would have more than 2
wining road records. Starting Fes and playing Okur and Millsap
together with Brewer could be a big winner. Fes/Boozer need a good outside
shooting guard. Okur could open it up for Millsap/Brewer. Instead of
trying to get every 2/3 playing time try taking the best match ups every night
and playing one or two of the 2/3s every other night. That way they will get
enough minutes in the games they play to actually get into the flow. I am not sure about a big trade. The Jazz are capable if Sloan makes the right
adjustments. Sloan may be gone in a year? Trade then. New coach, system and
Sloan has not come up with an answer (that he likes)for tall athletic teams. He
ran two answers last night and they worked but he stopped and went right back to
what could not work. The zone worked. ALT did nothing to bust it. There is more
than one zone. Try using a few. Fes/Boozer is usually a good combo.
AK/Maynor is another. DWill/Sloan have to control pace. Almost all
of the bad Jazz losses involve the wrong pace. Can Sloan control
pace? Other coaches seem to do it. It is done in the playoffs. When
the inside Sloan system game is broken there has to be a plan B. Sloan does not
have one. The players start shooting out side when the inside is impossible.
That is not a plan. That is the only available option in the Sloan nonplan.That last one is the key. Sloan refuses to develop an alternative plan
for teams his system has no hope of beating because they kill the inside game.
HOF coaches are not one trick ponies. I have yet to see Sloan ever
make serious adjustments and stay with them when they work.
According to ESPN the Magazine, the Pistons I read this morning are seriously
interested still in acquiring Carlos Boozer in exchange for Richard Hamilton and
or T. Prince.
I just read Siler's blog. He has some interesting comments and quotes. Sloan had to know that his usual routine was not going to work against ALT
long before he got on the plane. He did absolutely nothing to adjust or prepare
for ALT. He knew he was going to lose and lose big. He did nothing to prepare a
game plan except blame the players for giving up on an offense that they can not
make work against teams like ALT.Fire Sloan and let one of the
assistants run the team for the rest of the year. If the assistant can fix the
problems keep him. If not then get a new coach with a new philosophy and a new
group of players to match the coach. This has gone on for years.
Sloan knows how to prepare and adjust and won't. It is just that simple. At
least give this team a coach that will give them a chance to win. Eating Sloan's salary extension is the best money the Jazz can spend at this
time. How long can Jazz management pretend things the emperor has
Looked like a team that had lost before the game started tonight....No belief.....
Oh, the Jazz played a game? You will have to forgive me for being unaware.
Since I don't have FSN in my home, I had forgotten that Utah has a team. By
reading this story, perhaps they don't. I guess I'm really not missing
Seriously, we need to bench the starters and fire sloan before this road trip
ends. Get rid of O' Conner too. We need a complete overhaul.Look at
Phoenix, they got rid of their GM/Coach, traded away key pieces of their team
and got Shaq. It doesn't matter that they didn't make the playoffs last year. At
least they had change. Then we need to give billions, nay, trillions
more to our government to fix global warming.
the opponents put a big guard on DWill and it disrupts the system Sloan should
a. put in Maynor (or possibly Price) and move DWill to the SG. ORHe should insert AK to help run the point. If
that does not work then Fes needs to go in to get the inside game going.If that does not work then he needs to put in enough outside shooters
that he can open up the outside. Other teams know Sloan will not
adjust intelligently but will just insist on beating the whole team on a rock.
They must laugh out loud when the see the Jazz/Sloan on the
schedule. Miller should privately tell Sloan he has 1 month to fix
the Jeckle/Hyde problem or he is gone. Put in one of the assistants
for Sloan for the rest of the year. If that does not fix the problem abandon the
Sloan system and get a real coach. If Sloan won't adjust to win then
he should join Avery Johnson. They may be good coaches but what good are they if
they refuse to use the talent that they have in ways that will win?
"get rid of everyone except D-will,Millsap and Matthews" in addition to those
I`d keep Brewer,Maynor and Fes,maybe Koufos,all are bargains and worth a good
look,but I agree the rest can get lost now
Trade talk is worthless unless the player in question fits into Sloan's
system.Yes, we need a shooting guard to keep the defense honest.
Which I also think, imho, would help Sloan's system survive against athletic
teams. Yet, the Jazz can't find such a player.Jerry Sloan's job is
not to win games. It is to play his system. Either that or act like a stroke
victim.Sloan isn't the only issue, he is just the biggest one.
Where is this team's leader? Where is all the $$ going?
What a good guy Williams is for apologizing to fans. I was very impressed by
this act of respect for the fans that support them. Thank you DWill for
representing us! Hope we play better tonight!
Yes D-Will said that he was "sorry" and I would have to agree, he was. He looks
like he's gained some weight and doesn't move very fast. Maybe Barkley and him
ate too many Pizzas the other night when all the allstar talk was going on over
in the studios.
@ Utah JazzTake me to your leader. Oh,you don't have one? Oh my!! Maybe you should let Eric Maynor be leader.
If the Jazz have only 2 wining road records over seasons that is a statistical
inditement of Jerry Sloan and his philosophies and system. Statistically Sloan
is a bond a fide loser. Who causes his teams to lose on the road. This is not a matter of changing players. He lost all of those years with some
great players. Changing players will not make any difference.This is
an inditement of the Jazz organization and owners. Any coach who post a losing
road record 9 times out of 10 is abusing thier fan base. The
Organization/Owners and Sloan all know he is not going to produce a winning road
team. Run a sign (nonparametric) test on Sloans road record. That is
prima facia evidence that Sloan is the cause of the road record.The
biggest lie is for Sloan to claim he does not know why Utah loses on the road.
He and the organization know. The player know (but can't say). The fans just
keep lapping up the lame exuses like "small market" or "did not execute". The
players get blamed. Sloan is the primary reason this team does not
Sloan knows right now that whoever the Jazz play in the playoffs will put a big
guard on DWill and disrupt the system so that it is a liability. He
however will do nothing now to prempt that problem. Why not cross
train CJ or Mathews at PG and move DWill to SG? CJ and Mathews are tall enough
that they can't be posted like Maynor. The 2 PG approach breaks most teams. Why not get Fes ready to start with Boozer so that the Jazz have a
chance against tall fast defensive teams? Okur and Millsap play better together
anyway. Sloan has known exactly what is wrong with this team and how
to fix it for years and has DONE NOTHING. All we heard was continuity. Well we
have continuity and we are losing to tall athletic teams and bad teams that can
play zone. What else is new. Sloan will run his same old
tired unadjusted offense with all of its weaknesses into the playoffs and then
wonder why he got beat and will then try to do the same thing next year. What does it take to get the Millers to have some common sense?
Korver "is" worthless, I agree. He's way over paid. so is Kirilenko, so is Okur,
so is Milsap. The only difference is they are not worthless. (well maybe Okur is
Who are you? Where are you from? Did you ever play this game? Anywhere, little
league or what? Whats your attraction with C.J.?
My real name is Hasan,I`m from Pacoima,Cal,moved to Ogden 2 years ago.I played
pee-wee ball in Cali,was not very good,I tried out for the junior high team but
got cut,I really don`t know what it is about CJ I quess I just like him cause
he`s so cute and cuddly.Thanks for your interest
Lets throw the baby out with the bathwater. Get over the loss and move on. All
the crying is not going to speed up Okur on defense.All the wannabe
coaches are going to put Fes in for 6 quarters when he can't play 2 in a row as
he is questionable physically.Boy oh boy we are trading Boozer, AK,
Brewer, Price Korver and changing KOc and pitching Sloan out the door.
Perfection is expected and anything less will not be tolerated by this group.The Jazz have played better in many games but guess what Boozer is not
hurt, we will be winners in the next game or the one after and we just whipped
the Magic and Lakers. We have a good team but we lose from time to time. If
you can't live with that then move on.We have some smart players and
hopefully they will learn something from the loss. Things they won't learn by
winning, we just don't want to be the smartest team in the league by learning
those things every game.
Thanks Doug. Your perspective is rational and realistic. And I agree with you.
Whos this C.J.?
You guys are perfect worthless examples of what I talked about. The only times
you post is after the Jazz win a game.No one asked for Fes to
play 6 quarters or that the Jazz cannot lose a game.The issues
"realistic not Snow White" we have every reason to be concerned about.The Jazz basically "have held serve" on this road trip. I figured a (2-3)
trip and would be happy with (3-2).The Jazz talent is better than
New Jersey and Charlotte so should beat them.A win in either Orlando
or Miami would make this a good road trip.
I beginning to think Dave Rose or Stew Morrell could do a better job than
sloan.And they will actually prepare for teams.Sloan is
a one trick pony, he has his system and when that fails he is helpless as a
baby.Sloan is the worst game-time coach in the league.