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  • Hypocrites
    Dec. 7, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    So BYU can criticize those who say Oregon just wasn't motivated in 2006, but then turn around and play the same card for last year?

    Hypocrites!

  • Go Bronco
    Dec. 7, 2009 10:51 p.m.

    We're an excited and dedicated football team.

    No really... we're excited... and dedicated... oh, and we're having fun too... at a higher level... really.

  • re: Hypocrites
    Dec. 8, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    A wise man once said that you will find what you're looking for. Based on your comments, you're looking for hypocracy and are finding it, whether it truely exists or not. My friendly suggestion is that you find a new hobby, or at least make an effort to find something more positive in your life.

    Stay classy, UteFan, stay classy.

  • to Hypocrites
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:23 a.m.

    Hey, ute troll,it's not really an analogous situation, but then don't let the facts get in the way when criticizing BYU.

  • 36-3
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    The Cougs better come ready to play, because the Beavers were a play or two from going to the Rose Bowl. This isn't some rogue, 5th place team in the Pac-10.

  • BYU reform still needed
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:19 a.m.

    No question about it.
    Even though BYU won their "BCS bowl game", 26-23, this team still needs a new direction. Or they will keep chasing the January BCS games forever.
    Say what you want,BYU fans, but Utah and TCU will have their recent (less than a decade) BCS bowl games/win to show off. BYU has none except a quarter-century old NC (with an asterisk) that fans will bring up whenever Utah fans talk about their 2 BCS wins.

  • BYU in Tucson
    Dec. 8, 2009 8:30 a.m.

    "Looking foward to playing a good team this year" They played a good team last year. Last year I worked 12 hours all night then drove 8 hours to Vegas I'm diabetic, 40 years old and still had more energy than the Cougars. Now they say they're excited so we'll go again I guess. My wife and are excited to go to the Holiday bowl though. I'm so mad about TCU BOISE we may skip driving 2 hours to Pheonix. Also the ESPN bowl special was lame, they didn't even mention the Vegas bowl. 2 ranked teams ain't bad. I hope BYU fans are more excited this year and can muster some crowd noise.

  • CalCoug
    Dec. 8, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    Hey, if it hadn't been for BYU and a few others who rose out of obscurity to tweak the noses of the elite NCAA establishment in the old 'system', there wouldn't even have been a BCS to falsely inflate the pride of some. Kudos to Utah and others to take advantage of it and expose the bias of the BCS, but no more credit than to the pioneers who did the same thing under their circumstances. If it hadn't been for the likes of BYU, would anyone be paying attention to Utah and Boise St. now? Utah wouldn't matter as much if it didn't sometimes beat BYU. Your passion to discredit BYU only exposes the insecurity of your own claims.

  • re: reform still needed
    Dec. 8, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    Say what you want Ute fans, but you went from 2nd best in the country (I have no problem admitting that) to 3rd best in the Mountain West.

    That is not a trait of a consistent national team.

  • BYU Blue
    Dec. 8, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    I am a big BYU fan, but this article is discouraging. Arizona handily beat BYU in last year's Las Vegas Bowl, and now we are talking about how we were discouraged by not being able to play a better team? We sound like Alabama after its loss to Utah. "We were better, we just didn't get up for the game." Fact is, we played a better team and got beat. So did Alabama. Better teams win games. I hope we are up for this game this year, and then some - no excluses. Otherwise, expect the same result.

  • What are you TEACHING?????
    Dec. 8, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    I am more disappointed in Coach Mendenhall every week.

    "We were down because of the loss to Utah, so we didn't use all our practices and didn't play hard."

    The best cure for disappointment is HARD WORK and success at the next thing you do. It isn't whining and sulking and taking days off! It isn't making excuses.

    Max Hall spouts off about hate, and Mendenhall doesn't comment for 9 days. People talk about BYU being the "Lord's University." Well, apparently Mendenhall, Holmoe and Samuelson have very different standards than Jesus, who preached against hate and anger.

    I'm a BYU grad, but if I had a boy who was being recruited by BYU, I'd advise against him playing for that coach and that team. I'd want him to play for someone who actually teaches the thing Bronco preaches about on the intro to the coach show on KSL.

  • John
    Dec. 8, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    How come byu is not suing the BCS this year?.... Was is not byu that threatened to sue the BCS when they were not awarded a bid in 2001?... Maybe if they cry more the BCS will finally hear byu?

  • To Byu reform
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    So you are clear. Either talk about the present or talk about it all. I would focus on your bowl against an unranked team. Recent past should be painful for you. Anything before this year does not include a mythical, magical, National Championship.

    You will just have to trust me on this - the feeling of winning a National Championship does not compare to being one of 8 teams in a BCS bowl. BCS bowls are to be commended - they are not a National Championship.

  • Re: What are you TEACHING?????
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    How old are you? Are you another BYU Freshman?

  • Bob in Boise
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    I am a big BYU fan, but this article is not discouraging. Who gave BYU a chance at beating Oklahoma at the time they played them? You can say the team has been up and down this year despite the record of 10-2. Who would have thought they would beat New Mexico by only five points? The bottom line is they have one more game to play, and we can expect they will put forth their best efforts to win.

    As for the BCS and NC stuff, it takes winning and some amount of luck to make it to the top. The only reason BYU has not played in a BCS bowl to this point is because of when they have had their winning streaks. It was just last year that BYU had a 16 game winning streak that ended in an October loss to TCU. Sixteen is more than enough to get you to a BCS game. I seem to recall two consective seasons where BYU did not lose a conference game. This was something that never happened during the Edwards era. Add four consecutive 10 wins seasons to that. The future is bright for BYU football.

  • PP
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    What are you TEACHING?????
    -------
    Your not a BYU Grad.

  • Re: Cal Coug
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Yes thanks to BYU Utah would have 2 National Championships instead of Just 2 BCS wins. Darn it all to heck. BYU strikes again.

  • Agree with 36-3
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:51 a.m.

    Right. If BYU doesn't start the game fired up and well prepared, they will get their butts kicked by an tough, balanced team.

  • Laugh
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    So occasionally I read comments just for laughs. Reading some of these today, make it clear that some of you on both sides need to get lives.

  • Ruben
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    I hope BYU is smart enough to use all of their practices for the bowl game. Not to would be very foolish. Winning every game is important, especially BCS teams. In the future I hope we can get some games against the likes of Notre Dame, Penn State, Ole Miss, USC, Miami, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Oklahoma, etc. I think all of BYU's nonconference game should be against BCS teams. Thanks BYU for good football the last 5 years. Good luch in the bowl game.

  • Re: BYU reform still needed
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:13 a.m.

    Oh, you Ute fans. The only thing that's needed is for the Little Brothers to actually study and understand college football.

    BYU went 14-1 in 1996 and would have qualified for a BCS bowl under current regulations. They also beat Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl on New Year's Day in 1997.

    In 2006, the Cougars were only a last-second field goal and an overtime loss -- 10 points total, both on the road -- from an undefeated, BCS-qualifying season.

    By contrast, in 2008 the Utes were only 6 points and two missed field goals away from a two-loss season.

    Not to mention this year the Utes finished at 3rd place in the MWC for the fourth time in the past five years.

    I wouldn't start calling your team a dynasty just yet, especially since the Utes have had a very hard time against good teams on the road this year and still have a game to go against California.

    A 9-4 season is still possible, which based on the past 20 years is about what you can normally expect from Utah.

  • Relax
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:14 a.m.

    Relax "What are you teaching."

  • RE: John
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    "BYU fan", always living in the past. Remember 1984, I don't.

  • Not an analogous situation???
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    How so? Please explain. Here are some "facts" for you to ponder.

    Oregon was gunning for a Rose Bowl in 2006, caved, and was relegated to the Las Vegas Bowl against who they felt was an inferior Mountain West team. After losing to BYU, BYU fans became offended at the thought that just maybe Oregon didn't try very hard because it didn't want to be there.

    BYU was gunning for a BCS game in 2008, caved, and was relegated to the Las Vegas Bowl against who they felt was an inferior middle-of-the-road Pac-10 team. After losing to Arizona, BYU fans expect people to believe that last year was just because the team wasn't motivated?

    Hmmm ... am I missing something here are is your brain just not computing "the facts"?

  • Randall Stevens
    Dec. 8, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    Careful now!! Both BYU and Utah may end up losing their bowl games. Let's hope we don't have Pac-10 refs.

    Let's hope the Cougs & Utes prepare and play as if Oklahoma & Alabama were the opponents.

  • I love Ute fans!
    Dec. 8, 2009 12:09 p.m.

    I love you Ute fans! Thank you for always having something to say about BYU! It's so nice to see that you care so much about the Cougars! We should have a Ute fan appreciation day at LaVell Edwards Stadium! Maybe for the USU game, huh? Then we can all get together and sing Kumbaya.

    Seriously, though, get over the hate and cheer your team on. I know I rooted for the Utes in both of their BCS games, despite being green with envy. So, love your team and be happy!

  • Re: What are you TEACHING?????
    Dec. 8, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    Isn't agency wonderful? You don't have to send a son anywhere to play in anything.

    But you apparently HAVE to demean BYU and its football program. Why would BYU want a son who learns that from a parent's knee?

  • .02
    Dec. 8, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    BYU may be getting a stronger opponent in the Las Vegas bowl than TCU will see in Tempe.

  • go cougs
    Dec. 8, 2009 12:52 p.m.

    Love you guys

  • OSU spells trouble for Y
    Dec. 8, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    OSU is full of speed - trouble for BYU. BYU doesn't deal with speed well. Also, OSU has a good passing QB. Ouch!!! Another thorn in BYU's side. Bronco better learn to "EXECUTE" in this bowl game unlike last year. Execute is Bronco's favorite word (or excuse after a loss) so my hope for Bronco is being your preparation early so you can actually EXECUTE!!!

  • RESPECT
    Dec. 8, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    ARIZONA surprised a BYU team that obviously had no respect for them.

    The COUGARS surprised an OKLAHOMA team who obviously had little respect for BYU.

    Among the many points, on the agenda driving the BEAVERS motivation, one bullet to be considered is the fact that a 10-2 MWC second place team looks at OSU as just another speed-bump on their way to an 11-2 season.

  • R: BYU reform still needed @11:1
    Dec. 8, 2009 1:28 p.m.

    Your logic is very elementary --as in 2nd grade.
    Bottom line (and result) is that Utah got it done (ie won when it needed) to go to (and won) BCS bowl game.
    And, after all excuses, BYU did not get it done and still chases after BCS bowl game.
    --BYU did not get it done at home vs average FSU and then TCU this year (2 blown out losses)
    --BYU did not get it done in 2008 vs TCU and the mighty BCS-bound Utes.

  • Re:I love Ute fans! | 12:09 p.m
    Dec. 8, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    But sir, we love our Utes and...
    We are very happy with 9-3 in a year that we start freshman QB.
    We are very happy that BYU did not make BCS again -yet for another year.
    We are very happy we still have Kyle as a coach.
    We are very happy that BYU still has Bronco as its coach.
    (we are only sad that Maxi has no chance to return to our stadium next year so that we can meet, greet and send him off properly in style)

  • Analagous situation
    Dec. 8, 2009 1:54 p.m.

    38-8 (with the lone score for Oregon coming in the 4th quarter when the outcome was already decided) vs. 31-21 where BYU had the lead until midway through the 3rd quarter. I would say the two are very different, i.e. not analagous.

    I think motivation is the excuse, but the real reason behind the loss to Zona last year: the defense was not good. Call it motivation if you like, Jan, but you and your boys on D sucked last year. The O did enough to win the Vegas Bowl, the D did not. This year the D is better. Use motivation as the word, but really, the quality of the product is just higher this year.

  • bakerb
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    I realize that the Utah Fans that are contributing to this Forum are the EXTREME minority, but the obsession with BYU displayed in these comments is laughable.

    The Utah game is HISTORY. BYU won!!! It may have been lucky. It may have been a fluke. Utah may have better Athletes (Speed Kills - one of my favorites). Utah may have better Coaches. Regardless, BYU gets the W.

    Hopefully, BYU can build some momentum from the victory over Utah and play a solid game against a TOUGH Opponent in Oregon State in the Vegas Bowl.

    Hopefully, Utah can recover from their close loss to BYU and find motivation to beat a decent Cal Team. I would advise the Utah Fans to focus on the upcoming game. BYU and Max Hall are old news.

    Lastly, TCU and BSU got the shaft. Hopefully, TCU can make a statement.

  • Re: What are you teaching?
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:04 p.m.

    I have a hard time even believing that you are a BYU fan and I wouldn't worry too much about having a son that would be recruited by Mendenhall/BYU... I wouldn't be surprise if you are the same geek who sets near us and every year stands up and yells' "give the ball to Stahlei".. (never has figured out that he's no longer playing.) I think Mendenhall is a good coach and teacher/example... Every time he opens his mouth you ute fans try to mix up his words. He never will be able to say anything that won't be challenged by you utes. Thats fine say what you want its expected. You are the enemy.

    Go Coogs .... go TCU..... oh yea, Go utes..........

  • Funny comments
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    I don't know who is more classless--Ute fans or Ute fans who pose as BYU fans on this board.

    The better team won the rivalry game this year. Keep up with the classless comments all year.

    BYU has a good chance of beating Oregon State in the Las Vegas bowl and they will return to being the class of the MWC, simply because TCU faces Boise State, again. A TCU win this year does little or nothing for the MWC, and Utah is likely to lose to Cal.

  • Robyuuki
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    With Max Hall coming off of a 12 of 32 127 yrd performance. And the defence allowing Utah back in the game in the 4th quarter, they have a lot to change and fix before anyone can expect a win. The cougars and fans better brace theirselves for another bowl loss.

  • Re OSU spells trouble for Y
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:47 p.m.

    Just like they had trouble handling Utah's speed, right?

    Wait a minute. . .

  • Re:I love Utes fans
    Dec. 8, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    well, thank you for loving us. We love you back.
    We also love our Utes and that...
    We are happy with 9-3 (2 losses to BCS teams and another to flukey play) in a year that we start freshman QB.
    We are happy that we still have Kyle as our coach.
    We are happy that Bronco's still the coach at BYU.
    We are happy that our team made BCS twice since 2004, once with our current coach and will be back there again in 2010.

  • Obsession
    Dec. 8, 2009 3:21 p.m.

    It is clear by all of the u fan comments that they really do have an Obsession with all things BYU. It must be depressing to want your rival to lose every game only to see them be successful 10 times this year. I will take four 10 win seasons and another top 25 ranking at the end of this season no matter if we win or lose. If we beat Oregon St we finsih close to the top 10 which is respectable regardless of blue or red glasses.

  • Both Motivated
    Dec. 8, 2009 3:32 p.m.

    Both teams will be motivated. these are 2 highly ranked teams trying to show that they are among the best in the nation. USC may not be movitated after placing 5th in the PAC 10. Cal may not be motivated with their injuries and the old fashoned whipping they recieved from Washington, but Oregon St. isn't a traditional powerhouse, so 2nd in the Pac 10 doesn't mean utter failure. Also, a win here could even push them in or close to the top 10.

    This will be a big game.

    BYU 38 Oregon St 34

    Hall 320yds passing
    Unga 120 yds rushing

    Cranfeld 320 yds passing
    Rodgers 120yds rushing.

    The difference will be that Cranfeld will be sacked 3-4 times.

  • kitty litter
    Dec. 8, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    Poor excuse for not beating Arizona on your home and anual bowl game.

  • Randall
    Dec. 8, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    Lay The Chalk On The Beavers.
    Bring Home The Cheese.....

  • OSU's Speed...
    Dec. 8, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    OSU is a talented football team that can put points on the board. This game will come down to the Y's ability to avoid being beaten over the top. I don't think BYU and that pathetic secondary will keep OSU from scoring points. The Utah Freshman missed 4-5 TD's in the BYU game by over-throwing receivers who had atleast two steps on coverage. The OSU QB wont miss! BYU will have to get pressure from their front 4 becasue sending more will leave those Corners on an island. If I were BYU's CB/S I would practice "phase" coverage and your back-pedal techniques, you are going to need it.

    OSU 37
    BYU 23

  • Oh No!
    Dec. 8, 2009 4:53 p.m.

    Can I read these stupid blogs without someone bringing up religion? I enjoy all the banter that goes back and forth, as a BYU fan I think Utah has done a great job in what was suppose to be a rebuilding year espically when playing on BYU's home field and giving the cougars all that they could handle and then getting a bowl bid that's quite remarkable. BYU will be in a rebuilding year some what next year(espically if Unga leaves) and I personally doubt that they will do as well, I think that Riley Nelson could be a good QB but I think think they will look at the new top QB they will have next year and go with him, and I cant see them doing that well if that happens. I guess I'm just giving props where they are due, I think Kyle has built a heck of a program with the players that he gets.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:41 p.m.

    I think it is sad and pathetic that any team would play worse and be less motivated about a bowl game just because their season didn't turn out like they expected. But that will happen to a few teams this year . Good thing it doesn't sound like this is the case with BYU this year.

    Depending on what BYU team shows up, I think it will either be 35-27 for BYU or 42-14 for OSU. (yes, there has been that much variability in how BYU has played this year).

  • re:PP | 10:44 a.m. Dec. 8, 2009
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:46 p.m.

    Undergraduate and graduate, my friend, which is why I am disappointed in:

    * the pre-season bragging at BYU (remember "the best offensive line ever at BYU, and maybe the best in the country" that didn't send a single player to the NFL?)

    * the post loss excuses ("The turf kept coming up." "We were sad that we lost to Utah.")

    * the disdain for their own fans, ("They just have a low-level of understanding,")

    * the hate of other's fans
    * and the WHINING.

    Do you really think Max, Bronco, Jan and the boys are the first BYU team to experience bad treatment?

    Shut up and play.

    I still think BYU's first choice is the better, and classier, coach.

  • re:PP | 10:44 a.m. Dec. 8, 2009
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:48 p.m.

    "Your not a BYU Grad."

    By the way, it is YOU ARE not a BYU Grad, not your.

    Apparently YOU ARE the one who is not a BYU Grad.

  • re:Re: What are you TEACHING????
    Dec. 8, 2009 6:57 p.m.

    For all of you accusing me of being a Ute fan, I am not. I am a BYU graduate, twice. I am not a BYU Freshman, but I have taught undergraduates at BYU.

    If I were a Ute fan I wouldn't be calling for elevated conduct by BYU's coaches, administration and players, I would be making fun of it. I don't need to demean them, that is "reduce in worth or character":

    The administration demeans the players and university by not requiring a higher level of conduct.

    Coach Mendenhall demeans them by making excuses.

  • BYU Grad, 1993
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    Reading these comments makes me wish I received my degree at Steven's Henegar College. Everyone needs to lighten up a bit. Why so sour?

  • Pac10Fan
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:28 p.m.

    Oregon State 31 BYU 13 is my Las Vegas Bowl Prediction. Speed will be a factor that the Cougars will not handle well. I also forsee a few INT's from Hall that will allow the Beavers to turn this into a route early. Coug Fans there is always 2010.

  • #9 rated bowl
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:36 p.m.

    The Las Vegas bowl is the #9 rated bowl according to SI. That's pretty good.

  • Good matchup
    Dec. 8, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    This board has some of the silliest comments I have ever seen. Are you all still in grade school?

    Oregon State is a good team. Riley is a class act coach. It's great to have two top 20 teams. It's a better matchup than most bowls. BYU beware. I'm looking forward to it.

  • Oh, Brother.
    Dec. 8, 2009 8:27 p.m.

    Only a handful of practices? Sounds like the coaches were deflated, too.

    Happily, the Cougars (and their coaches) have come a long way since then. I fully expect a better effort this time around.

    Nice work, Bronco. Seriously.

  • To The Teaching guy
    Dec. 8, 2009 10:39 p.m.

    Yeah, Right!!!!!!

  • Fiesta Bowl
    Dec. 9, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    I think it's a blowout for TCU. The Frogs have been impressive with a much more demanding schedule. Yes, Boise beat Oregon at home on the nauseating blue turf but that was not the same Oregon team that's going to the Rose Bowl. I believe TCU (and MWC) will dominate.....then invite BSU to join the family.