no on sides kick?
Good form. No response is the best response.
First classy thing Utah has done in years.
Sorry to hear that Whittingham wife was treated so badly at LES. This goes to
show that BYU has some very classless people just as much as the utes do.
I'm a BYU fan and Hall's comments went over the top for sure. I'm glad the Ute
organization has demonstrated the they're a class act by not adding any fuel to
the fire. It's a great rivaly and it doesn't need to escalate to this degree.
What are they going to say he was telling the truth!!!
Is it any wonder that BYU is the most depised team in college football - yes,
even outside of Utah? It's coaches, players and fans have no idea how to conduct
themselves, and you're a perfect example. Meanwhile, Kyle
Whittingham and countless players that have played for him are recognized
throughout the country as a model for how to coach and play the game and how to
build a college football program. As I type this, Paul Kruger gets
the game-winning interception for the Ravens. Sound familiar?
It's all fun and games to talk a little trash between rivals, but who could get
so low as to resort to physical harm because of team loyalty? I'm a huge BYU
fan, but I would condemn any such abuse by anybody in any sport. We're not
This whole rivalry has gotten out of hand. When fans, or family, from the
opposing team can't go to the game without a threat of danger, then it is time
to take action to calm it down.I am a major BYU fan and loved seeing
BYU win, at the same time I was hoping that the fans at LES were gracious toward
the Ute fans and that they treated them with respect.I think it is
time for Bronco and Kyle to step in and speak up to try to make this a bit more
civil...kind of like Lavell and McBride.
As a BYU fan, I am truely sorry for the unsportsman like performance of not only
Max Hall, but several of the BYU players as evidenced by their penalties. I
sincerely wish the UTE's well and am proud when any Mt. West team wins, but
especially Utah teams. I know that the ill will goes both ways and I also know
it is time for the powers that be to bring a halt to such destructive behavior.
Just like Max Hall's comments were classy. Please both schools need to stop
being stupid. Rivalries can be entertaining and fun but its stupid fans, BYU and
Utah that make it more than it needs to be. BYU is just as much to blame.
Why respond to a non-apology? Concerning Coach's wife, you mean Coach
Whittingham isn't going to start to hate an entire university becuase of the
stupid actions of one person or a few people? Who does that? Certainly not Mr.
I hope they find anyone involved in an assault at the game, prosecute them, and
throw away the key.Sports without sportsmanship is not worthwhile.
Hall's tirade showed his lack of control. Steve Young and Ty Detmer never
lashed out like that. Kudos to Coach Kyle for showing Max how to handle a bad
fan situation - just don't comment on it. Its hard to admit but in this case,
Utah has totally outclassed BYU on sportsmanship.
Utah, classless? You gotta be kidding me. Utah is one of the last truly classy
programs left in the nation. Lets take the Utah-SDSU game, Utah had plenty
of chances to add insult to injury and run the score up? But instead they
had*class* and ran the ball out the 2nd half. There have been multiple times
this season Utah has done that. The fans may not be perfect, but the program is
one of the last bastions of class and sportsmanship in the nation.
Nice move, Kyle. Glad to see someone in this showing some class. Maybe this is
a start at making this Utah/BYU thing fun again.
You can't kid us. There is no way you played for BYU with stupid remarks like
that. If so you must still be sour because you sat the bench and twiddle your
pinkies during games. If you are so cool then why don't you post your real name
I think its stupid how people want to put so much hate towards Max Hall and BYU.
He is one of the most genuine people I have ever met. Rivalries are nasty, the
BYU-Utah game can be as bad as it gets. If any representative for BYU ever
makes any mistake or says anything that would show him as imperfect he gets
nailed. I think that's pathetic. Sure the expectations are high from the start
at BYU but Utah fans are always there to hold it even higher and point out every
possible flaw they make.Utah is far from innocent after Saturday's
game. How many unsportsmanlike calls were there against them yesterday? A Utah
player slapped a BYU player in the face (which wasn't called) in the fist
quarter and the emotions were boiling the whole game on both sides.Saturday's game from the fan perspective was the most calm I've ever seen the
BYU Utah game, from where I was sitting. A lot like the game in 2007 at BYU.
It was hostile last year at RES.
BOO HOO hahahaha
This whole thing is a joke. I don't like BYU or Max Hall, but he said what
many/most fans on both sides already think. It is no surprise to anyone, but our
politically correct world where people are offended at a word is just crazy!I liked Hall's apology today and accept it. The unfortunate thing is
not the comments, but what spurred them on and I am embarrassed at my fellow Ute
fans for their treatment of Hall's family last year. It does go both ways,
however. I hope the reports of Whittingham's wife are not true.
Mark my words, Whittingham will have something to say. It may take one year for
it to come out, but it will. Hall held his in for a year. Whittingham is a
gutless grudge holder.
Remember the Wyoming game a couple of years ago. Don't act like he has been
that way the entire time he has been coaching.
Where the H is East Magna? Isn't that West West Valley City?? LOL! East Magna,
HA!Oh, You must have not been watching Whittingam call for an onside
kick when they were killing Wyoming 46-0 in the third quarter to spite the Wyo
coach who said something to Wyo students promising a win. Such harsh words.
Look it up on youtube. Whittingham's defensive post game comments were totally
classless, calling the Wyoming coach "stupid". It should change your opinion of
the last program in the country with class. There are no classy programs left.
Do you have any sources for your statements? This was the 1st year
Whittingham didn't have any Urban Meyer recruits and Gary Anderson on the bench.
It would have to go something like this: "He is right, we did have several
hundred maybe even thousands of BYU fans assaulted in our stadium last year-just
read the police reports.So Max, get over it your family and a hundred others
received the same treatment, you aren't special."As someone who has
a scar on my head from a glass bottle that I got last year in SLC at the game,
still waiting for my emergency room bill to be reimbursed me by the u, haha. I
can attest to the fact that until utah fans who are classy (I suppose there are
some) stop condoning the actions of the classless and criminal among them, they
will be seen as classless by all opponents, just see the SI college fans poll,
second only to Wyoming in worst fans-congratulations.
Utah fans throw beer and BYU fans physically assault, remember the BYU fan who
got pummeled by a Utah cheerleader after he jumped out of the stands attacked
him. Now why cannot BYU fans defend themselves rather then cry about it?
I don't condone max hall's comments, however... Utes it is time that we as a fan
base dismantle the so called "ute" fans who continually embarrass our program. I
will not speak for the byu fans incident with coach whit's wife (leave that to
byu to handle), but i will say that the inhumane treatment of byu fans by some
of our ute "fans" has got to STOP! i witnessed some unbelievable verbal (and
very minor physical) abuse at the RES last year and the vulgar personal,
religious and sexual statements have got to stop. We who are not mormon that
live here in utah cheer for the Utes because they are our team. NOT because we
"hate" mormons and byu. However, there are a few of us who are making all of us
look like "mormon haters". I love living here in utah, it is a great place to
raise my kids even if i'm not a mormon. those of you who hate the mormon church
should probably realize that our head coach is MORMON:) pretty ironic, and so is
the University of Utah president:) anyway... GO UTES!
classless? Maybe Max was right
The Utes are showing some class.Too bad BYU can't teach their
players the same thing.
Max humilated himself, and those are the toughest ones to live with. He has
apologised. There really was nothing for the U of U people to say
because then they open themselve up to having to account for what was done to
Halls family, and sometimes just being silent about a faux paus like this is the
better way to go. As for Whits wife, if she was purposely hit by a
BYU fan, then let law enforcement deal with it, and let the perpetrator face a
judge. If his wifes injury was the result of a legit accident, Whit should say
just exactly that.
For all you Cougar fans who think Max is not at fault or just spoke what
everyone else is thinking - will you feel the same when Mendenhall and the
university will be forced to publically apologize in response to the negative
national press this has caused? No one loves the Cougs more than I do but Max
showed an absolute lack of self control and class - at a time when he should
have been basking in his and the team's glory. Those fans who support Max's
comments only add to the embarrasment of this situation and inevitable
embarrassment to the Church. BYU football equals the LDS Church in many minds
across this country and Max embarrassed his church, his school, his teamates and
Your class is at a higher level than Broncos football mission for the lord.
Teaching superiority from a personal core and then catering to hate will only
keep missionary prospects at bay.
i am surprised that no one has mentioned the role that the media has in this
situation. The coverage of Max Hall's statement is way overblown. It creates
an hysteria that feeds the bad behavior. Leading up to the game every year
there are more articles about he "rivalry" couched in emotions and, yes, even
"hate". It feeds the entire situation.The media needs to be much
While some say the University of Utah's decision to not comment on Max's remarks
was "classy", I say it would even be classier if both universities made a public
appeal to their own fans to tone down the diatribe and unsportsman like
behavior. Let the rivalry continue, but only on the field.
As one who spent all of last week defending Max Hall in front of friends and
online I cannot and will not defend his comments of Saturday night. Those words
hurt BYU as an institution and everything that Bronco has tried to establish at
BYU - a team built upon character. The win, to me, does not taste
like a normal victory because those comments undercut everything that Bronco has
articulated as his real goals.At the same time blanket statements
across the board by either side are wrong. There are dirty fans on both sides.
Dirty plays and penalties by both sides. But by and large I think the fan bases
of both Utah and BYU are classy. I think the players on both sides, by and
large, are good people just trying to do their best.We need beware
of blanket statements that would sound to eerily similar to Max Hall's if we
want to show class.
Yes, once again, Utah decided to take the high road in not responding to
the kiddy comments from TDS QB.I am proud of that.I am, however,
waiting to see if BYU will respond or take action.
A great missionary momment Max Hall, way to go
i would rather have a "cut" lip then a beer thrown in my face and having to be
escorted out of the stadiumoverexageration!
Congratulations to the U for not responding and perpetuating the situation. I
hope that privately they realize that it is not just a BYU institutional matter.
The behavior of fans, especially within the confines of a stadium is definitely
the responsibility of the university. I speak the same of the U of U and BYU.
The uncontrolled storming of the field after the game Saturday is just asking
for trouble.While Max Hall's statement was absolutely
inappropriate, the events that caused him to develop his strong feelings did
happen. I hope that the U does not try to cover up that part of the message by
hiding behind the absurdness of Hall's comments. It is absolutely a U of U
respond, that's because it's hard to dispute the truth. We all hate the u and
it's fans. And Hall has every right to dispise them even more. The abuse his
family, not to mention he took, over the past year from a classless (and ute
fans actually are insult to those that are classless) much of trash warranted
what he said and he a lot more. There are very few real ute fans.
Most are just there because they hate the LDS church and BYU. All you have to
do is look at how many tickets the U of U had to return for the Sugar Bowl
because Ute fan? didn't want to fork out the cash to support their team in it's
biggest game in their history. Nearly half were returned. I know economic
times were tough, but hey get a second job at the 7-11 (unless that's your first
job, then go to the Maverik). If you haven't already got a second mortgage on
your trailer, then get one.
only the classless will in any way perpetuate what was obviously an immature
I'm glad Max said what he said. It's how he feels and how many of the BYU
players and fans feel. Rice Eccles is a place where classless people gather to
watch a classless team and program. Get off Max's back. He has the right to
feel the way he does as well as the right to voice his opinion. More power to
him. Thanks for the win Max!
If the Utah officials won't respond to Hall maybe they can respond to THEIR fans
in THEIR stadium. If the members of the opposing team's family need police
escort to their car, the 'U' administration has a problem. Fix it yourself, or a
good plaintiff attorney will do it for you.
I am sure BYU will be glad to investigate who hurt Coach Wittingham's wife if
she wants to meet with them and give her statement. I was right by her and I
didn't see anything .But the other Ute fans around us were great and alot of fun
Except the the Ute tailgaters throwing food at people in the parking lot.
No response = good, calming response = better.Max was incredibly
foolish and brutally honest. This rivalry is quickly morphing into a fued. And
there is absolutely nothing praisworthy about a fued. It is the stuff of
tragedy.Someone has got to stand up and start calming the waters
because this one-up-manship, or more accuratley one-down-manship is not going to
Glad to see the U show their class in response to a childish tirade by an
immature leader and spokesperson for the TDS
This issue is not about Utah, its fans (good or bad), or anything else other
that Max Hall's comments. He may be a terrific person, but he made a terrible
mistake in what he said. That is the issue. It makes no sense to divert the
problem by casting stones at others or organizations. The best way for Max to
"fix" this problem is to apologize thoroughly to those whom he offended. The
sooner the better..for him and everyone offended by his comments.
The U of U administration should comment on this. They should take firm action
to resolve the behavour of a few that take away from the spirit of competition
and generate a spirit of hate. On the field we expect the refs to control the
situation, in the stands we should expect the school administration to control
the situation. If they fail to do so they should be replaced with those who
will. Step up.
How many of you can't get over the fact that a U of U cheerleader was tackled on
the field down at BYU? Get over it--the cheerleader did. In fact, he later
transferred to BYU.
Max Hall...bottled up fustration that he had to live with not only by Utah fans,
but also Provo loyals. Think about it, for one year every where he went in
Provo people had things to say either to his face or behind him as he walked
away. Frustrated...Coach Wit..against Wyoming, trying to show another coach,
don't wake up a sleeping dog because if you do you will get bit..we have all
done things we regret, said things we wish could take back and have embarrased
ourselves and our families...give everyone some room now and lets all move on to
All of this over a football game?????? People are dying for lack of food and
rivals get into verbal food fights over a GAME?
BYU athletics foster the spirit of of contention. Listen to how it brings out
the anger. Follow Bronco's lead and hold yourself to a higher standard unless
that is all a show. I really get why people say we have a holier than thou
attitude. We need to practice what we preach. As a Utah graduate, I accept his
Whit isn't going to respond. Think about it for a minute. Go back and recall
the great quotes and trash talkers in this rivalry:Lenny GomesBrian KeilCurtis Brownand now Max HallFunny thing.
All Cougars. While BYU was dominating this serious, nothing was really said on
either side that was memorable. Now that the series is extremely competitive,
we get to hear BYU players continually run their mouths. Stay classy BYU. If
you need an example of how that's done, have Bronco take a look at Whit and his
program. Players don't talk, they just play.
Is that both schools acknowledge that problem fans exist in both stadiums. For
the next two years, close the stadiums to fans for this game, only let family
members watch in person. That will keep the moronic fans at both
venues to stay home, because that's the only place the games will be seen. The
U fans that blast Hall for making the comments should be looking inward at their
own behavior, we all know it takes place. It would be interesting
to see a football game with no fans...it can be done.
give ute fans something to ease their third loss in four years. It certainly
looks like things are trending BYU's way. With upcoming trouncings by the Y
mens B-Ball teams over the utes, things are certainly looking up.
No excuse for bad behavior. Again, the story is not complete as reported. A
classless BYU Fan swung his arm back like he was going to throw a punch and
accidently hit Kyle's wife in the lip with his elbow. As i understand it he did
not even express his sorrow for the accident. If he was a season ticket holder
he should loose his game privileges. If a student he should be disciplined. No
excuse. I have been to several games on the hill with different teams. I hate
going there because the fans are just plain rude. I have had season tickets for
years at BYU. If someone gets out of hand where we sit, we stop it. I always
talk to other teams fans and welcome them and thank them for coming. I even
welcomed MUS to the game on Saturday. Relatives of Matt Asiata sat near us at
the game and they were great sports. We had several conversations and even were
doing high fives many times during the game. This game is getting out of hand.
No excuse for bad behavior, anywhere. Utah, get your fans in control, or suspend
"Is it any wonder that BYU is the most depised team in college football -
yes,"any data to back up that claim?didnt think so (hmm
- wasn't Max condemned for that exact same type of overgeneralizing?)
Why is it that cougar fans are hated by Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU...
Because they feel they are justified for things like this. How can you back
this or agree with Max. Doesn't it make you classless to tell someone how
classless they are. The MWC hates Cougars because they are intollerant of other
people and their views. Take some advice, when your stuck in a hole stop
Way to battle Utah. That was a great game. Go dominate in the bowl game.I'm proud to be a Ute. I love the rivalry but I don't need
to have all the hate be part of it. It makes everyone look like an immature
pouty little baby. Rise up and play to the best of your ability.Go
Good thing they chose not to respond. They have no right to complain and no leg
to stand on when they don't take any actions to curb the hateful actions of
their own fans toward BYU's fans at RES. And I don't think they ever did
anything about Morgan Scalley's "I hate BYU and I've hated them since birth"
comments either, so again it would be very hypocritical if they did condemn Max.
Democrat vs Republican; Muslim vs Christian. One or the other is always giving
the rest of his associates a bad name. So it will be until the end of the
world. And we will probably be playing football on that last Saturday...
If anything occurred with Coach Whittingham's wife....don't you think it would
have made the news?
Just another example of why BYU is hated by everyone they play. Their holier
than thou attitude just gets old. BYU is no better than anyone in the country
when it comes to sportsmanship and class. Max Hall... ByU fans assaulting a
coaches wife. I am glad the school(s) that represent my religion don't conduct
themselves like this.
I am a true blue fan. However while the U will not comment I feel I need to.Max Hall made comments that were un called for. I would like to take the
time to congratulate the Utes and coach Whittingham for another great season and
program with nothing but class.Are there fans at the U that max
should have a real problem with? yes. I have worked security at some U games and
there are fans that show verry little class. However that is a few fans only and
comments needed to be leveled at that type fan only.Max you were
wrong an apology will never work you have lessened your stock as a great
We need to stop defending the wrong. If we have children who do wrong it's a
reflection on our parenting. There comes a point when the children grow up and
make choices. Bad choices reflect upon all of us, who are involved. Max's
comments reflect everyone who wears blue. If it's true that a fan dumped beer
on his family than that reflects all who wear red. Yes we represent the school
when we wear the colors wether it be red, blue or orange. Just because your
team is the color of your choice doesn't mean we need to defend silly decisions
they make. Move on and let's learn from each other mistakes and build each
The rivlary is out of control and the kind of abusive behavior that goes on is
not aceptable - remaining slient does not really help.First order up
is for the press and conference leaders to self-censor and stop referring to a
football game as a "holy war" - it is not (the press cannot morally continue to
whip up the controversty then profit from the resulting carnage without being
held responsible for it)
if Utah was classy they would do something to curb or control the animalistic
fan behavior in and around their stadium. But they don't do anything except turn
a blind eye.
Did Max speak on a similar theme in the fireside the night before? I was not at
all offended by Max's comments. I relish them. It is a badge of honor to be
hated by Max. The hypocrisy of his comments and the BYU football probram is
So one game Utah ran the score up, now let's compare that one to broncos and
Patterson many. Two Years ago is a long time
It's pathetic that someone who completed less than 50% of his passes and threw
for less than 134 yards would come out after and talk about the win being all
about him and his revenge.
This is the first that I heard of Coach W's wife taking a shot to her lip. I
mean seriously, it's so sad!!! It's time for people to grow up and take pride
in cheering for their team and having fun. I'm a true Aggie fan (not much to
cheer about) but at least we are not involved with this crap. For those who get
involved physically, you are all pathetic!!!I live in Vegas and it's
amazing when Utah/BYU play down here in sports. In fairness to what I believe
(my faith), I'm shocked with what I hear about BYU and the Church. Honestly,
come watch BYU vs. UNLV in basketball and you'll be amazed at what people say
about Mormons!!! It's sad how Max Hall responded. It's sad that
other people get involved to that point where it ruins the rivalry and sport.
Utah wins the battle with keeping quiet. BYU needs Mendenhall to wake up and
change the attitude with the players that taunting is unacceptable. Re: Still a grudge? Maybe the cheerleader who was tackled was hot and the
person wanted to meet her?
Wow -- this is amazingly ironic. After years of accusing BYU and is fans of
being sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, listen to ute fans! I had no idea how
untarnished all of you are when it comes to this rivalry! And to say that it's
a "BYU institutional issue" -- hilarious. Have you checked your own house?
Maybe ALL of these games should be played in the comfy, safe, family-friendly
confines of Rice-Eccles stadium, huh? Anything to take the focus
off your loss....
I was harassed by BYU fans at RES stadium last year ... when they were losing. I
choose not to go to provo because I do not expect any better. The fact is, each
team from every school has bad fans. But, it is not up to the institutions or
anyone else to fix the fans. The fans must take responsibility for themselves.
Until they do, these actions will persist and they could even get worse.
Especially after they have escalated to men assaulting women.
don't ease the loss they make it worse. Hall could have said hey Utah gave us a
heck of a game they are good team and left it at that. Morgan
Scalley said that before the game in a locker room if I remember it was not to
the press.And what if BYU fans assaulted Whit's wife BYU needs to
control their fans. Oh wait how can you have complete control over 45 or 65
thousand fans. BYU needs to curb their fans as well.I was not there
but could it have been Hall's wife got beer poured in her accidentally in
Utah 2 BCS winsBYU still BCS dreaming
Pathetic Cougar fans who turn their ear to all the truth. Yes, RES has a share
of fans who smuggle in alcohol and act like morons. So does BYU. If because of what happened to Max RES needs to revisit their security
standards, should the same not be said for LES after what happened to Whit's
wife? My heck, I would expect LDS people to be disgusted with what
happened to her and her family. Two young girls showing their emotions and a
BYU fan trying to photograph them? Then as they are approached to stop
photographing them, Kyle Whittingham's WIFE gets hit in the face?Cougar fans are showing their true colors on this issue. Backing Max and
disparaging RES while ignoring what happened in their own stadium, on their own
football field after the game, to the opposing coaches WIFE.Stay
Yeah, but Scalley never said that BYU as a university, football program and
organization was classless. He had more class that Mr. Hall showed, and the
University of Utah also has more class than was demonstrated by Mr. Hall. Of
course, I give Mr. Hall credit for issuing his apology. Oh, and the
ball bounces both ways. BYU needs to do something to curb its own fans behavior
Looking forward to seeing Riley Nelson or Jake Heaps stagger into RES next year
to face Jordan Wynn. Especially after the ridiculous comments from Max Hall.
That Utah team will do what they always do in this situation. Keep their mouths
shut, something BYU players seem unable to do, and be fired up for 2010.Next year the Cougs will be sporting the new QB. And playing on the
road. Can't wait. Utah again will not need a last second twist of fate to pull
This is the way to go about it. Silence. As for the BYU fans still
ranting in here...give it up. Hall was wrong. This is what happens when BYU
football and the LDS Church are connected together. Every little statement and
action by their team is under the microscope. The LDS church would be better off
by dismantling BYU's sports programs and let the young men and women be positive
examples at other instituions. BYU sports have lost their focus and the money
would be better spent on the more important things in left the LDS church
There is no excuse for bad behavior on both sides, but, I find Max Hall's
comments bad behavior to the max. He added insult to injury in his apology but
using the excuse of something over a year ago. Part of being an adult is
accepting responsibilty for your mistakes or your mouth in this case. His beha
vior has caused loss of credibility for the Mtn. West Conference as a whole.
Everyone knows there are serious problems developing among fans at the Universty
of Utah. A large minority of them verbally, and even physically, abuse visiting
fans. Whittingham should comment. But his comments should be addressed to that
part of his fan base that is out-of-control.
Max's comment were narrow and childish, that can't be denied. But I can see were
he was coming from. I moved here a few years ago and have been pretty surprised
by the "hate" from some Ute fans (family AND friends) towards BYU. I know it
goes both ways but I haven't seen it. It's weird. I was at the game, and saw a
bunch of sucker punches from the Utes. BYU players didn't stand down, but it was
obvious to me what was going on. Utes were dis respecting and trying to
intimdate BYU. Yes- very unsportsmanlike. Max hid that in his "other stuff" in
his tirade because clausen was just reprimanded.
P.S. The cheerleader was a guy and kinda beat the fan down lol
Gee Kyle, you are so statesman like. You were just as silent last year when Max
Hall's wife and parents were assaulted by YOUR fans. Maybe if you would have
spoken up last year none of this would have happened this year. Ya think???
In my opinion, Max Hall should have kept his mouth shut and just enjoyed the
victory. But that is easy for me to say. If someone hit Whit's wife,
they should be flogged. If someone inadvertanly bumped/ran into her, I think
they should apologize directly and quickly. Did Whit's wife also go to BYU like
he did? That is no way to treat our alumni. If Whit ever leaves the U, he
should be welcomed on the BYU sideline at any time a la USC and should receive a
special invitation to any alumni day.
Then they would need to explain why they have been cultivating the hateful
fanbase to sell tickets.Best to pretend to take the high ground, and
not get caught up in their own culpability.Now, the young man has
apologized, the class thing to do would be to acknowledge that, but then again,
can the U prove that Max was wrong?
on Channel 2 news by David James. I doubt any BYU fans saw it though, too busy
watching the "corporate" station Ch. 5 or listening to the "unbiased" reporting
on KSL radio. It was also reported that Tyler Whittingham (Coaches son) was
sucker punched in the crowd as well. Both of these incidents were reported ON
THE DAY THEY HAPPENED, not 1 year removed by a person who was NOT THERE when
they occurred, but had a captive audience in a press conference. I am not a fan
of either the "Y" or the "U" but have been to many games in both stadiums. I
have witnessed many more instances of bad behavior in LES than RES. Including
an elderly BYU fan hitting a Texas A & M fan with an umbrella because he would
not sit down in a seat he had purchased !!
Why should Max have to apologize, what happened to "Freedom of Speech?"
Utes won't: People like you are an embarrassment to the institutions they
support. I do not hate BYU or the LDS church and I am a true Ute
fan. I do question the class of a person who judges people on financial status.
I have been a Utah season ticket holder for 5 years (since I graduated). I went
to the Fiesta bowl, but couldn't afford to attend the Sugar Bowl. Not because I
live in a trailer park, but because I was having a hard time and I am
financially responsible. I have to attend to my family first. Not to
mention, if I did work at 7-11 or Maverik, would that make me less of a fan or
Coach Whittingham did the team he represents (Utah) and the school he graduated
from (BYU) proud turning the other cheek and being and adult. That is class...
and that is what BYU should expect of its players and alumni.He
could have tried to embarrass Hall and BYU fans about highlighting the bad
behavior of fans at LES, but he did not. Gracious in victory, gracious in
defeat.Thank you Coach.
so what the ute fans did last year is ok. To halls family. Double standard yewts
I so agree with every thing max said. I have been to a yewt byu game up there.
Your fans are classless
How would a fan through beer on her in the stadium if they dont even have beer?
He says in his report a fan threw beer on my parents during the game.... hmmmmm?
Please an accident? Utah fans are horrible, that warrants the term classless.
Now with that said Utah does have some classy fans but they are in the majority.
Max Hall said, blah blah. Ute fans don't want to talk about the real issue.
The real issue is why does the ute secondary always implode at critical moments,
(Harline, Collie, and now George). The word choke comes to mind. I know there
will be more blah, blah, Max Hall hates me garbage, but who care THREE OUT OF
THE LAST FOUR. THAT'S CALLED DOMINATION!!!!
Any unsportsman like conduct is wrong no matter who you our. And as someone who
has coached kids for the last 20 yrs. The problem starts alot earlier in life.
As parants we need to stop and look at ourselves and how we act before we point
a finger at others. Seems like so many people think that there kid is going pro
and he is only 5 yrs old. Please love, support, encourge them and teach the to
be good sports win or loose. But please let them be kids and enjoy the game. and
stop looking at them like they are your 401k.
Glad to see the Cougs are getting so much excitement for beating the Utes in a
rebuilding year with a rookie QB.
What about last year??? Are you kidding?Of course Kyle was silent
last year! The first time anyone has heard of the alleged "beer" incident w/ Max
Hall's family was Saturday night! How is Whit supposed to comment on something
that was not even brought up until a year later?I still can't figure
out why Hall would wait a whole year to say anything...after the game is over
and his team wins...after he knows he won't ever have to face that Utah defense
again.Sure makes him seem cowardly, and it also makes his story lack
credibility.Meanwhile, Coach Whit's wife gets elbowed in the face by
a classy Cougar fan on Saturday. The irony behind this whole thing is hilarious.
BYU, 1 National Championship + 1 HeismanUtah - still hoping and dreaming
and trash talking
Any body who says that utah had more class didn't see the game from the stadium.
countless times ute players Utah also had more personal fouls than BYU did. I
don't have to say anything about their fans. All you have to do is set by one at
the game. In all the years I have attended BYU utah games I have yet to not have
a bad experience with a ute fan. It is so bad at rice eccles, that I stopped
going to games there. I know ute fans that is what you want no BYU fans in your
stadium. So when you come to Provo and get treated the same way why do you cry
like babies then. Don't try to fool me with that utah has more class just pay
attention at the game and they will show how much class they have.
National ChampionshipsBYU-1utah-still dreaming
I thought it was a fat lip, now it is cut lip? I saw the interview, no fat lip
on her that was sure.
Isn't "Respect for others" an intergral part of the BYU honor code?Don't Max's statements from Saturday show complete disregard for this part of
the Honor Code?Instead of being remembered as a winning QB, he'll go
down in history as a whinny cry-baby. Too bad that Bronco has to deal with this
situation. He does not deserve this.
RE: Blah, blah, blah, | 11:52 a.m. Nov. 30, 2009 It was 20-9 going
into the fourth quarter, and ended up going to overtime. You really have no
clue what the definitions of 'choke' and 'domination' are, do you?That's okay.. most BYU fans are that stupid, so we don't expect anything else
No response necessary from Kyle...the lover of $$$$ more than loyalty. His
"classless" proteges took care of that for him both BEFORE Hall's ill-advised
words and AFTER them. Kyle to BYU as an alumni is as is Harry Reid is to the
Mormons. Self-agrandisement comes in it's many forms.....wolves in sheep
clothing mostly. Go ahead Kyle and remain silent....you too Harry. You're both
losers...literally. Watch healthcare reform tumble at Harry's hands as the Utes
did at Kyle's.
It's easy for BYU fans to get to the BYU Bowl games the past 4 years straight.
It's been in Vegas. You could be a BYU fan and make it to all 4 of the Vegas
Bowl games and still not travel as far as the fans that went to the Sugar bowl.
You are an idiot. As for all of you complaining about Oh well Morgan Scalley
did it and didn't have to apologize. Grow up. Justifying ones actions through
anothers is just asinine. Just because one person does ill to you does not mean
you have the right to do it back. Matthew 5:39.
If Utah comments, it will only do them more harm. They'll have to justify their
own fans' behavior, and explain that ridiculous story Whit's wife came up with
and how that pales in comparison to the things BYU's players, coaches, families
and fans had to endure last year at RES. Best for Utah just to clam up now, and
let Hall be the bad guy for a change and allow Utah not to be accountable for
What was the final score? oh yeah we won. that is the the only thing that
There it is AGAIN. Living in the past. WEll you know this one time we were
national champions. It was like 20 years ago. Utah 10 consecutive bowl game
wins with only 4 losses, BYU 9-17 at bowl games hmmmmmm.
Throwing beer is assault genius!
pretty typical, actually. It's only the fans that tend to get mired in the much
of the bad side of the rivalry (and occassionaly players too... like Max)
is class on and off the field, unlike Max Hall.
What a classless and arrogant response. Hall just described how his family was
assaulted at Utah and how they needed the police to escort them to their car and
what does Whittingham say or do? Nothing!He doesn't apologize for
the actions of his fans or denounce their actions instead he remains silent as
Hall is reprimanded for being upset that his family isn't safe at his stadium
and need police to escort them to their car.This is the
classlessness that Hall was describing when he said what he did. The reason that
it is so bad for BYU fan's at RES is because the University of Utah does nothing
and their football program will turn a blind eye to such things.People with any class when hearing an apology from someone who said they
reacted the way they did because their family needed a police escort at their
stadium would immediately come out and express how sorry they are about that
happening and how any Ute fan who behaves that way and is found out will be
trespassed from the University and its activities.Instead we get
this classless response from the University of Utah
For all those that want the whole story about Whittingham's wife she was
defending her son. Somoene, (cant remember the name), called 1280 this morning
and explained that fans were on the field after the game and had a phone out and
was videoing the celebration and Whittingham's kid grabbed thier phone and
chucked it into the stands and the fan physically restrained the kid until they
could get an officer there to file a report. As the fan is holding onto the kid,
Mrs. Whittingham turn around to find her kid being restrained and start
assaulting the guy that has her kid. As a parent I can understand this. The guy
restraining the kid has his back to her and just knows someone's hitting him and
without turning around swings at the person and hit her. So yes she did get hit
but it wasn't a "hey thats whittingham's wife lets hit her" case like some are
"Meanwhile, Coach Whit's wife gets elbowed in the face by a classy Cougar fan on
Saturday. The irony behind this whole thing is hilarious."She was
elbowed because she was classless and tried to attack BYU fans after her
children were behaving like rude jerks and they told them to shut up and tried
to capture them on film acting like jerks just like her husband who doesn't say
anything after Hall apologizes and explains he was upset that a police escort
was needed for his family last year.There is a reason that the
University of Utah and Whittingham aren't saying anything about what took place
when Jamie Whittingham showed how classless her family could be. They know that
if they try to press charges and make an issue of it that the real truth will
come out and Jamie Whittingham will be arrested for her part in that incident
while the BYU fan who accidentally elbowed her would be exonerated of any wrong
doing.Witnesses are starting to tell the real story and the truth
about her and her children's behavior is starting to come out. I suggest you
look into what happened
Lost the game AND were called classless.
I love it when Ute fans call BYU fans stupid. All you have to do is look at the
stats for the incoming freshman to know which students are smarter. Average Ute high school GPA 3.5, average Cougar high school GPA 3.80. Average
Cougar ACT score 28, average Ute ACT score 24. Number of students accepted to
the U who enroll, 51%. Number of students accepted to the Y who enroll 68%.Since the primary roll of universities is EDUCATION there was no
question about where I was going to attend. Being better at football (even
though there's no real proof indicating that you are) is a sad, sorry,
consolation prize.I'm not saying that Cougs are more righteous, but
we are definitely smarter.Except for maybe Max Hall; only an idiot
says something like that during a press conference.
Beer vs Assault"Utah fans throw beer and BYU fans physically
assault, remember the BYU fan who got pummeled by a Utah cheerleader after he
jumped out of the stands attacked him. Now why cannot BYU fans defend themselves
rather then cry about it?"Throwing beer on someone is a crime and is
assault. I suggest you go to law school if you can't get that through your head
and if you ever throw anything on my family I will beat you to bloody pulp and
you can cry about how you had the right to assault my family and we can't do
anything about it. How about that for a rivalry?I will
gladly plead guilty to beating the living daylights out of you and I will have
my family tape the entire thing so other Ute fans can watch what happens to
those who assault my family by throwing something on them. I dare you to do it
and I want you to do it so I can bloody your football field with your bashed in
head. Do you have a response for that because I am sick of criminal Ute fans not
Stay classy? That's upside down. You mean get classy?
Nothing happened to Whittingham's wife. He should be a man and say something
like "a fan threw up their arms in celebration and accidentally grazed my wife's
lip.Whittingham learned not to talk after the onside kick while up
by 50 on Wyoming.
Why would they respond? This "article" is a waste of electrons.
...BYU, 1 National Championship + 1 HeismanUtah - still hoping and
dreaming and trash talking...Today's BYU program is far from what it
was 1/4 century ago when BYU was awarded the NC (with *) out of sympathy for its
coach Lavell who is now retired.Today's Utah program is still pretty
much the same with the one that won BCS bowl last year --Kyle is still there.So:Utah 2 BCS winsBYU still dreaming of BCSare correct, up-to-date facets.Get over it.
That Kyle Whittingham's wife was "beaten up".KUTV's "Talking Sports"
played video of the on-field interview with her just minutes after the incident
occurred.Basically what happened is that she and a friend came up
behind a BYU fan who was arguing with someone else. The fan threw out his arm
and accidentally hit her on the mouth.When she protested, he told
her to "shut up" and walked away.That's it. The camera clearly
showed her face; there were no black eyes, no bloody nose, no swollen lip. Not
a single hair on her perfectly-coiffed head was out of place.There
were no threats to her. She wasn't targeted because she was the coach's wife,
she wasn't targeted because she was a Ute fan, she wasn't targeted for any
reason, period.This was an accidental occurrance.Now was
the BYU fan rude and boorish? Absolutely. Did he assault her? Not in the
legal sense, which is why no police report was filed. Had this person been a
drunken Ute fan celebrating a victory at RES, she wouldn't have said
anything.Don't believe me? Go watch the video yourself.
I find it ridiculous that people are being physically assaulted over a stupid
football game. I think football should be cancelled at both universities.
How do we know the story told by Maxi after a year is completely true?What is the point of talking about it? No investigation can be done.Has
BYU apologize for the action/words of its QB? None. How classy is that? Where is coach Bronco? What does he have to say about this? None. How classy
is that.Sad events for BYU --just to see how the program has
deteriorated from how good it was under Lavell to what it is today...Sad indeed
That's funny, because BYU's own Hans Olsen was very clear on what happened last
night as being told from his BYU sources on the field.A BYU fan was
trying to film Whit's kids who were crying after the loss, was approached by a
member of the Whit family, reached back to take a swing, and hit Whit's wife in
the face. Guess the story has changed already. Not surprising.
So according to your standards, the reason that Max Hall's family never filed
complaints last year when the self-reported abuse took place must be because
they were actually the ones at fault?But you probably have an excuse
for that too.
The photo in this article of Coach Whit's daughter and the fear in her face is
the lowest I have felt toward the fans of my alma mater ever. It is hard for me
to believe this could happen. Violence in sports will eventually lead to its
demise. And I personally believe if it is not soon corrected the powers that be
will drop competitive sports at BYU.
Hey yewts how we forget. A few years ago a yewt player said similar things about
byu. How we forget dont we yewts.I guess you only remember what the cougars say
and not what your team says
Just be glad the game wasn't in Texas because someone would have been shot. Not
by the fans but by the police called to the scene. Count your blessings. In
this case everyone is alive to rant and rave at future games. Hall's family is
safe at home. Whittingham's family is safe at home. Bowl games to look forward
to. Bronco is preparing another tv interview on the virtues of his team.
Football - gotta love it.
In looking at the pictures of Whitinghams wife, your caption on pic. #2 says
"Jamie Whittingham (far left) and daughter Kylie Whittingham watch
as BYU Cougars and Utah Utes fans tangle after the game at LaVell Edwards
Stadium on Saturday. (Douglas C. Pizac, US Presswire)" I'm looking
real hard and can't see any Ute fans in the photo. The only thing Ute is the
blanket held by Jamie Wittingham. You're not trying to paint a story here are
you? Looks to me like everybody is in blue. I don't think any self respecting
fan would wear the colors of the other team. Once again it appears you are
doing your best to put a happy face on BYU regarding this ugly incident. You
should have photo shopped some Utes in the picture to give credibility to your
caption. This just looks like out of control fans. Were these the ones who
assaulted her? Who knows. As Harmon stated, these actions against Jamie are
alleged until proven. This photo is not proof but it is more believable than
the statements of a frustrated QB. DNews, regarding credibility, you are found
wanting. Under Educated BYU Football Fan
The U is taking the right response.
Yeah, because the screaming little girl in those pictures sure looks like she
could pack a mean punch for a stadium full of idiot BYU fans.Stick
to making up lies about persecuted BYU fans in other school's stadiums. You guys
seem to be so unfairly mistreated no matter where you go. Basically, the truth either comes down to two things:1. You idiot
zoobs are all a bunch of weak, insecure liars who can't do anything but make up
stories about the ruthlessness of people who aren't like you. (Most probable)-or-2. Everyone in the world actually does hate you which is
why you experience so much hostility in every place that's not called Provo.
(Least probable, but in any case ask yourselves why nobody else can stand you
The terror in Whittingham's daughter's eyes from the story pictures is enough
for fans from both schools to sit back and wonder what kind of ugly turn the
rivalry has taken. Maybe it would be best for Utah to move to the PAC 10 if the
opportunity comes about in the next five years. It would probably cool down the
rivalry ten fold.People need to put the game into perspective and
figure out there are far more important things in this life.
With the current BCS system Utah's 2004 and 2008 teams had no shot at the
National Title due to the corruption of the BCS. The fact is that they could
have been the best team in the nation but were ruled out due to the system. Also
2009 TCU is dominant and is excluded. BYU in 84 somehow beat the
system and won a title by beating a mediocre Michigan team. Since when does a
National title game be decided by a #1 or #2 team playing a team that is sub
par. The Bowl powers that be made sure that wasn't going to happen again. Hence
the current system. With the logic used in 1984 it would be like
matching #1 Florida vs Wisconsin (or whatever mediocre big 10 team) for the
National title game. Fans and media would be outraged if that happened now yet
that is how BYU won in 1984??? National titles should be decided in a playoff
system were the top 2 teams decided it on the field.1984 was a gift.
Another BYU "Classy" fan at 1:34 p.m. - that's right...blame it on the children.
Any fan on the field is breaking the law. Anything that happens after that
point is their fault for not obeying the rules and staying off the field. You
want classless...storming the field on the opponents sideline...something is
bound to happen.
Seems that I remember the LaVell Edwards/Ron McBride years when the rivalry was
in full force,but for the most part was pretty sane. Yes there were the pranks
and some mild vandalism, and lots of name-calling, but overall, it was enjoyable
to watch and be a part of----and I don't remember any of the coaches or
players spitting out any of the vile that Mr Hall did on Saturday. They tried
to be gracious in victory and defeat.Now it apparently is out of control
so I have a suggestion---Take a page out ot the european soccer games and
play the future games WITHOUT fans until the fans and players can act like
grownups!! After the Universities take that financial hit a time or two, they
will figure out how to solve the behavior problem.
Anyone notice how mad those people are in the pictures here? This rivalry is
bringing out the worst in people.
"They did this." "They did that." "You're classless." "No, you're classless."
"Your fans are jerks." "Your fans are jerks too."Seriously, this is
the most infantile behavior I've ever witnessed. Everybody needs to take a few
deep breaths and relax. Let's all start acting like adults/human beings.
They said nothing and that's classy? If they wanted to be classy, perhaps they
could have commented on how the things Max talked about could be improved.
Saying nothing is burying their head in the sand and that's not classy.
look at the pictures. It appears the byu fan was out of control and Mrs Whit
isn't going after anyone. In fact the daughter looks scared to death. Fans
shouldn't go on the field and if they do any altercation is their fault for
I'm astounded how every BYU fan that has come within a 10 mile radius of RES has
had gallons and gallons of beer dumped on them. It truly is an amazing
phenomenon. Memo to BYU fans: If I'm going to go through the trouble of
sneaking beer into the stadium, I'm sure as hell not going to waste it on you.
Besides, everyone knows we sneak in mini-bottles or flasks...they're much easier
to get through security.It also amazes me how even with photographic
evidence of Mrs. Whit getting grabbed by a BYU fan, the behavior is somehow
justified because "she started it". This has started to become a truly
I am at the game on Saturday and I watch the Utah players come over and want to
start fights with the BYU players before kick off. I see BYU coaches there
trying to get the BYU players back and no Utah Coaches there doing a thing about
it. Then I look for Kyle to see where he is at during all of this and he is
just watching from the sidline. Kyle is classless. I wish that BYU would take
his name off anything that is at the school. Any national championship trophy
mvp's anything. I think he is a classless jerk and it showed on Saturday. How
many personal fouls did Utah have to BYU? Then what about the one before the
kick off when the players are lining up and then #45 for Utah comes over and
headbutts a BYU player before the start of the game. What about the trash
talking by Morgan Scally and Paul Krueger, or even Urban Meyer, the jerk, that
put BYU stuff in the toilets for the players to do there thing in. Or his
comments about the team down South.
Good Job BYU for getting second place.
So, BYU fans (and yes, that's in Utah) attack the player for what he said and
somehow it's justified. Has anyone given thought to the possiblity
he was right? Way to stay classy, Utah.
The experience for Mrs. Whittingham was unfortunate. There's no excuse for the
behavior of the BYU fan regardless of the provocation. I'm sure her kids were
being annoying like many Ute fans in provo who can usually expect not to get any
response from the usually passive BYU fans, but I'm usually proud of my own fan
base and players for showing restraint. Not after this game. Way
too many personal fouls on both sides during the game, way too many stories
about BYU fans acting like jerks to yewt fans, and way too much talk by Hall
after a win. Of course this is the same stuff Utah fans and players do to us
all the time, but Utah fans expect more from BYU than they do from themselves
for a reason. We all should expect more from BYU fans and players than from the
Utah counterparts. What yewt fans and players do is no excuse.
Anyone else sick of the word classless?? let's add to our vocabulary please.
Could we please get an official report by a reliable news organization
documenting these alleged abuses on both sides? It doesn't make
sense that Mrs. Whittingham is going to circulate reports that she was
assaulted, yet refuses to file a police report asserting such or issue an
official statement in this regard. Likewise, it is curious that Max
Hall reports his family was assaulated at last year's game, yet this was not
reported to the police and was not related to the media until one year later.
Such rumors and accusations only hurt the reputations of both universities and
feed the paranoia and finger-pointing on both sides of this rivalry. Please put together an investigative report of these claims and their veracity
to allow us to objectively evaluate these assertions. Such an investigation may
also prevent others from circulating unsubstantiated rumors in the future.
1984 was a gift. Enjoy it... why thank you Utes, we couldn't
have won it without the incompetence of '84 runnin your mouth Utes!!!We'll take our National Title....and so would you, that is, if the Utes had
ever won one?
Maybe the "Holy War" should take a two year break to let things calm down a bit.
Instead of playing each other for the next two years they should schedule
another OOC game with the same school. Just a thought. Things are getting out of
If a school is rated on profanity and blood alcohol, Utah wins by a light year.
Let's face it. Most Utah "fans" have a severe insecurity complex from attending
the second best academic instituion in the state. Pick your poison:
GPA/ACT/National Merit Scholars/MBA and Law Schools/and even the number of
students that go on to Doctorate programs, BYU has a clear edge. If I had a Utah
degree, I'd be mad it doesn't travel beyond SLC too, so I guess I understand
their need to lash out.
Like I said in another article. Get the Fans under control. If you do not we'll
stoop to the level of international football where people get killed. As a BYU
fan, alumni, and a friend of many Utah Fans it is time to remove such behavior
from our stadiums!!!!!!
Nice job controlling your players and crazy, weird fans Bronco!
Being a big Cougar fan, I enjoyed Saturday immensely. Any day that you beat the
Utes at anything is a good day. But I am so embarrassed by Hall's comments
and the actions of some fans. There are jerks on both sides, and it's up to the
rest of us on both sides who can think rationally and act like adults, to police
the jerks and make sure they know their actions will not be tolerated. For
crying out loud people, it's a football game. Why be involved in it if you have
to fear for your safety?
Those photos don't reveal much other than the fact that Mr. Whit wasn't the
target of the attack. As for the fan grabbing her, I don't see that in the
RE: Jamie Whittingham was in wrong | 1:34 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009 She was
totally upset. A Ute fan started to scuffle with a Y fan and she is there
yelling and getting in the middle and gets elbowed by accident. Of course they
are not going to comment. I guarantee there are photos and video that will come
out to show what really happened. Someone is holding out to catch someone in a
The only thing good about Max Hall (in this case) is he was telling it like it
is. So? Max hates the Utes? Big deal. I can respect that. I wish
more Cougars were this honest in that his kind of venom serves to wipe away the
veneer of 'BYU standards', which most of us (whether we went to BYU or just know
people who went) understand are often window dressing (NOTE: not always...but
often). It's much more embarassing for BYU and Coach Mendenhall
than for Utah. Max should be enjoying the glow of victory with his team as
opposed to issuing statements of appology to the media (Then again, I can't
imagine what such a yawn-fest of a celebration would look like in Provo so maybe
drafting such statements is a good, clean, fun alternative). Still, the fact
that he is spending his time this way makes the Utes loss almost bearable.
appropriate punishment for former Ute offensive tackle Dustin Hensel? Last week
on 1280 he said his goal during the BYU game was to injure someone during the
3-1/2 hours he played the Cougars. This was during an interview with Kyle
Gunther and Jake Scott. It is on tape. This is not alleged, it is factual.You would think that in a public forum, an athlete, not immersed in the
emotion of the moment, would speak with more class. To admit hatred strong
enough to desire to maim an opponent certainly is more egregious than anything
Max Hall said. Where is the apology? Where is the outrage? Where is the call for
immediate institutional oversight?Can you say "Double Standard"?
Max Hall said what needed to be said. It is true that the Utah fan base is
mostly classless scum bags who couldn't get into a private school. Now, I know
that not ALL Ute fans are classless scum bags, some are VERY classy, and do NOT
appreciate the way the other Utes act. But it is those classless scum bags that
Max was referring to, and those are who the rest of the world sees, giving the U
a bad name. I would love to see how any cougar fan would fair under
the circumstances that Max's family had to cope with when they were at RES. I
have very close friends (Cougar Fans) who went last year and will never go again
because of those classless scum bags and the way they were treated. PLEASE! I
am not saying there are not bad cougar fans, but I would rather be in LES and
get a cut lip then have beer thrown at me, and have to be escorted from RES.
Utes, PLEASE!! Understand where Max was coming from! Good Job with the win Max!
I loved the game!
Finally somebody has the balls to says it like it is. There are too many
"Mormon-haters" that use the rivalry as a free pass to go barbaric. After all
the public attention, I am sure we will be looking forward to next year to see
if the Ute fans will come through again with the hate-filled tirade. I might
just attend the BYU-Utah game next year to see if I get the chance to sue the
UoU for complicit to assault and neglegence. Lets get BYU band to play during
their senior presentations! Whittingham has no comments because doing so would
make him a hypocrite. He carried Urban's hate over into his scheme.
The hate is amazing. It is no longer a rivalry. It is pure hatred. And
something bad will probably happen because of it. All abusive fans must not be
allowed in or near the stadium. Any institution who does enforce this, is a
coward to the nth degree.
Where did this happen? It wasn't in the stadium because they don't even allow
soda cans in Utah or BYU. I have attended Utah games for 16 years. I hear some
bad language but have yet to see anything being thrown except snowballs. 95% of
the Utah fans are well behaved. I believe that Max Hall exaggerated about the
beer in the face similar to how he exaggerated about all Utah fans are
I'm a Utah fan whose five children have attended BYU, so I try to take a
middle-ground approach, as far as possible from the raving idiot fans for both
programs. They are idiots and they need to gain some perspective on the
relative irrelevance of college football to life in general. I will
say that BYU's coaching staff needs to do a bit of training for its QB's
post-game comments. When our memories of BYU's two most recent QBs are John
Beck's tears ("there's no crying in football") and Max Hall's over-generalized
"I hate you, I hate you" rant, then perhaps the best policy is for BYU QBs to
avoid the camera after wins OR losses. What an embarrassment to a great
During the Game BYU's players showed great sportsman ship. After the Game Utah's
Administration showed great sportsman ship. Both School are very respectable
with very respectable Football Programs. The actions of one fan, one player, or
one individual should never define the institution they act for, instead the
institution should. Good game BYU and Utah. BYU congrats on the win. Every Utah
player and Administrator deserves a written apology from Max Hall for his
they are too busy pouring the beer that was not thrown on BYU fans into the
urinals that have BYU logos placed in them.Now that's classy. So all the U fans who say no response is classy, explain why your
players, at the insistence of the coaches, perpetuate hatred toward BYU by
literally "doing their business" on the BYU logo. We all understand the
symbolism.The "in vogue" refusal by a former coach to simply call
BYU by those three letters is just another example of the pettiness and
escalation of hatred. If you say these are no big deal and BYU fans
should just grow up, then you should look in the mirror when it comes to your
reaction to Max Hall's comments.
If BYU is the superior team with it's National Championship and the great
tradition. Why do the fans and players act like idiots and charge the field for
beating a team in a rebuilding year? Emotion sometimes it gets the best of us.
I think both programs are very close in a lot of ways and the fans are the ones
tearing down accomplishments. Little Brother Big Brother comments this all
needs to stop or the games will only be on TV with no one watching in the
I'm in a unique situation in that I've been to every football rivarly game
regardless of stadium since 1993 when the U first beat the Y 34-31.Let me
state a few facts:BYU fans, get off the "they threw beer at me"
thing. The U doesn't sell alcohol. Nor does anyone ever sneak in beer. If
something is sneaked in, it's something to mix into a coke. So perhaps someone
had a DRINK thrown their way, but NOT a beer. Quit embellishing, it only
destroys your credibility.I've seen alcohol in BOTH stadiums by BOTH
fan bases.I've heard terrible things said by BOTH fan bases.I've seen things thrown by BOTH fan bases. The absolute worst being from
Y fans in 1995 when the U beat the Y 34-17. It was an all out throw fest with a
lot being thrown at the cheerleaders as well. Ridiculous.As for Max,
who cares what he said. But it is interesting that there are few MEMORABLE
disparaging quotes from any Utes over the years compared to those from
Cougars.There are equal problems in both stadiums.
Maybe you should stop posting this bad idea over and over again.
I personally was highly dissapointed with the game on saturday. Yes it looked
like a great game on paper, but watching it was very painful. I couldn't believe
how childish both teams were, especially in the first quarter. It seemed like
after every play there should have been a penalty for unsportsman like conduct.
I think that both coaches should talk to their players and fan base to tell them
to calm down and play/watch football. It was like watching two little kids
having a fight. And both teams are to blame. I know the energy is very high on
both sides, but football is about putting that energy into the game and not
cheap shots. I hope next year is better. And I hope the players AND fans are
more mature so that we can enjoy a good ol' rivalry game without the stupid
i'm looking at pictures on this story of a truly classy model of great behavior
byu fan being compared to a story told by another truly classy model of great
behavior max hall with no evidence and nothing to back up his story. on the
other hand, his tale may have some merit, but any byu fan who has seen these
pictures and continues to blast utah fans for their poor behavior need to stop
this behavior from their side before advising what utah's problems are.both sides have gotten out of control. yes, BOTH sides. so stop complaining
about how bad utah is while the same thing is going down on your side. it's a
problem, yes, but pointing fingers across the line isn't going to solve it.
hate breeds hate, love breeds love. max's comments will breed more hate (admit
it), hopefully kyle's non-comments will be a first step in the other
direction.end the hate. this was a fun rivalry and should be again.
we don't have to love each other, but let's at least be adults about it.
The unverifiable nature of the allegations is what makes them so popular: They
can't be debunked.Perhaps this is why the video of the on-field
interview with Jamie Whittingham after the incident is nowhere to be found on
YouTube or KUTV's website: It tells a different story than what the Ute fans
would like to hear.KUTV has used it to stir the pot, and their
sports talk show will benefit from the controversy over the coming weeks.
Hey, there's the MUSS, the FUSS and now the CUSS - who selling the t shirts - I
There is too much going on on both sides that is repugnant ... and it's not just
between U of U and BYU. The Board of Trustees really should consider ending
BYUs association with intercollegiate sports. The culture of overwrought ugly
emotions has worsened and coursened everywhere and will only continue to slide.
Too many people believe such behavior is perfectly acceptable as part of being a
fan of a competitive team. Too many players amp themselves up with hatred and
vile motivations prior to and during the game believing that this makes them a
winner ... and too many people excuse this -- unfortunately even too many BYU
"Memo to BYU fans: If I'm going to go through the trouble of sneaking beer into
the stadium, I'm sure as hell not going to waste it on you. Besides, everyone
knows we sneak in mini-bottles or flasks...they're much easier to get through
security."Memo to Ute fans: I guess this means that your argument
that since beer isn't sold in RES, the beer incidents couldn't possibly have
happened, is worth diddly squat. What other classless acts are you going to try
to excuse away next?
on this website. Looks to me like Jamie Whittingham is being grabbed by SOMEONE
in a BYU sweatshirt.
I can't believe people get so worked up over a stupid game. What a bunch of
morons. Seems to me most football fans have the IQ of a paper cup.
Hall has received a reprimand from the league. This is a test for Mendenhall &
BYU. The reprimand doesn't mean a thing unless there is some action taken. If
the coach really means to elevate the level of conduct he expects from his
players he needs to bench or suspend Hall.
Good job, Utes, for getting third place.
Have you ever in the history of this rivarly heard a UTE player say anything
like that to the press? I haven't so it goes to show that even four or five
years ago when John Beck made a similar comment that BYU quarterbacks have no
class. Get over yourselves you won the game leave it to that, and just rember
that Whittingham takes out his anger on the field as it should be. Also Bronco
needs to learn to control his players.
Does anybody really know if the fan holding onto Mrs. Whittingham is a BYU fan?
Could be a Utah fan with a BYU sweatshirt, no?
What a disgrace, BYU fan assaulting someone's wife. Real nice.
You all have no clue what happened in the altercation...Whittingham's wife chose
to involve herself in a fight where she had no clue what was happening, and she
was fended off by the BYU fan in question, who was being assaulted himself by
numerous people as you can clearly see in the photos.
True both Cases involving Wittingham's wife and Hall's family where unexceptable
by both teams. However, one difference that i'd like to point out is that if
your touching grass in a stadium it's usually cuz your supposed to be out there,
as a member of the team,(Some of which have pads), In bleachers your supposed to
be safe. Both cases are horrible, but I'd say that Hall's family is the worse of
the two. If your down on the field in a moshpit you should expect things to get
a little rowdy. Not in the stands.
looks like to me the U fans were trying to stop him from running onto the field.
Whit's wife wasn't attacked more than she was in the way.
is a drama queen. he is blowing the beer in the face story out of proportion.
beer isn't even allowed in rice eccles. who knows if that's really what
happened, or if he just decided to juice up that story a little after he
realized his comment was going to put him in DEEP. He's not stupid, i'm sure he
realized the weight of his words right after he spoke them, and he was trying to
back pedal with justification.
Hey Max, look how classy your fans are! If you think for one minute this type
of crap doesn't go on at BOTH stadiums, your the exact idiot I think you are
Max. Hope the alumni hook you up with a good job after school, because the only
NFL your getting is going to be on TV.
"If a school is rated on profanity and blood alcohol, Utah wins by a light year.
"Compared to BYU? Of course. Compared to nearly every other
college in the country? Not by a long shot.BYU fans should really
step out of the Utah County bubble sometime. Just because you personally
believe you are somehow better than every person that has ever consumed a drop
of alcohol in their lifetime doesn't make it so. The alcohol consumption at
these games is positively mild compared to 99.9% of the other college football
games in the country.
Many Utah fans are hypocrites. It is unbelievable that with all the vile
"hate-BYU" junk for years they show such immaturity as to be worked up over Max
Hall's comments. They TRY to be hated by BYU - so they got their wish - now
just give it a rest - you are not winning anyone over with your baby tantrum.
I could care less if Hall hates the Utes. I figure I hate him so I guess we are
even.What I am sick of is the constant labeling that all U students
and fans are drunk etc. The fact is that the U of U is a normal school and
compared to most other schools in the NCAA consumes a lot less alcohol - it's
crazy that this is even an issue with you people. By the way, plenty of alcohol
is consumed by byu fans and students - just because they are in the closet,
doesn't change that fact.They don't serve alcohol at any facility at
Utah just like down at the holier than thou school down south.... maybe it was
just a caffinated beverage.Your self righteousness will bring you
The picture of coach Whittingham's daughter sheds a thousand words...Y-Students really think they are smarter, classier, and better individuals
than the rest of the world don't they!? Us Utes (current, past, and abroad)
don't despise you imbecile's, we laugh at the thought of how full of yourselves
you Y-ners really are.Nice Win against us Y-ners, but until you can
say you won two BCS in the current era and not bring up than mythical national
title in which you played an unranked sub-par Michigan team....keep kidding
yourselves.Coach Whit & family, we always have your back. Let's get
another BCS next year! GO UTES!
I just looked at the photo of Coach Whittingham's wife and daughter beside some
scuffling fans. The look of horror on Kylie's face (his daughter) should be
enough to motivate fans on both sides to "get a life". Fan is short for
"fanatic" and too many of you folks in Utah seem to demonstrate that - police
yourselves!I hope the coaches can meet and strategize a bit on this.
They are both well-paid and well respected. They need to take advantage of their
positions to try and influence the fans (and their players).
I'll just let the hypocrisy of you calling Max Hall "classless" while comparing
him to a feminine hygiene product speak for itself.
Maybe someday we will qualify for a BCS bowl game.
To 4:26,Yes... Morgan Scalley among others have said things exactly
like that to the press. BTW--Whit's players were out of control from
the beginning to the end in Saturday's game.
Be silent and say nothing. Since it isn't one of your guys this time for once.
Actually, I have heard a U player make worse comments. (See the post about
Dustin Hensel wanting to injure BYU players.) As you so eloquently stated, get
over YOURselves. BYU won the game. As to K Whitt's classiness. Max
Hall just did verbally what Joe Glenn did after the infamous...and ever so
classy...onside kick. Hmmm... if I recall, that was brought on by
Kyle holding a grudge over inoxuos comments.
There is a complete double standard here! Because that's how BYU wants it. They
have "Spirit and Honor" hanging outside their stadium and claim to have a higher
purpose than football. Yeah, we expect more out of BYU than out of other
Looks like a 50-something ADULT Utah fan had to pick a fight on BYU
turf--probably for bragging rights. Over a PICTURE? He must've
been so upset about his team's loss. WHAT A JERK! I'm glad
there is a photo of him. I hope he is charged for assault.He makes
Max Hall look like a mild child.
Why we could we just get along!!!!!
You utes can come up with any excuses you want to about the national
championship trophy that BYU possesses. The fact remains; "WE HAVE THE HARDWARE
TO PROVE IT!" It is a national championship trophy that was handed to Lavell
Edwards. I don't care what you say, Utah doesn't have one, nor will they EVER
have one! As for the beer, if you really think it doesn't get packed
in, you're clueless. I have had it thrown on me!!!! I can put up with some rowdy
cursing fans, but when Utah fans resort to throwing alcoholic liquids on a BYU
fans, that goes a little to far! I have gone to many Utah games, as I do root
for the utes when they aren't playing the Y, only to witness for myself that
many utah tailgaiters are already blizted before the kickoff even starts! I
would much rahter attend games at LES. At leats I have never had an alcoholic
liquid thrown on me down there!
Enough - I'd like to see Coaches Whittingham and Mendenhall address the rivalry
and ask the fans to behave. This is a football game, not a war. Come on people
on both sides. Maybe the Y and U shouldn't play for awhile until the fans and
players can grow up. I certainly am tired of the escalating behavior on both
Morgan Scalley and Paul Kruger both said they "hated" the Y in interviews to the
NATIONAL media. Neither of them apologized about it afterwards and neither were
reprimanded by the MWC. Punks. Ever since Urban Legend, this rivalry
has gotten exponentially uglier. Urinal cakes and refusing to mutter B-Y-U are a
couple of the childish things the bozo brought to an otherwise classy in-state
rivalry. McBride and Edwards knew what they were doing when they kept it civil.
I'm sure the Utes will one up the Cougs next year. Should be fun.26-2326-23Yes there was an actual game on Saturday.
When in attendance at the Oregon/Utah game in 2006 we, as Oregon fans, were
completely disgusted by the verbal and physical abuse we received from the Utah
fans. We have attended many professional and college-level sports games across
the nation and never have encountered the maltreatment we did at the U of U.
That's not to say that ALL Utah fans are classless but what would you label a
situation in which you fear for your kids' well-being as you are leaving the
Reminds me of church basketball!
Very mature. How did you ever think of "Maxipad?" I'll bet all your third grade
buddies get a giggle out of that. If haven't heardseen the examples of Ute
players and coaches saying similar things about BYU, you haven't been paying
attention. And cut the self-righteous crap about Bronco controlling his
Are Ute fans really that sensive, I never would have guessed it... Maybe they
came up just short of a great victory. I was taught to play hard to win and
leave it on the field. Both schools have great programs, why don't you all just
enjoy it.... Again,,, it could be worse, you could be UNLV fans....
byu will lose their bowl game and utah will like always win theirs. I will
admit, Utah was outcoached. BYU's offensive coordinator outcoached Utah's
offensive coordinators. However, that was the difference in the game.
I for one think it's great that Max makes comments like this. It will provide
that much more fodder for the Utes next year and at the same time shows how
small BYU players really are. As for Maxine's beer accusation: Someone like him
and his cronies probably see beer and anything with caffeine on the same level
so he might just be confused. After all, beer or Coke, what's the difference?
That's right cougar fans. Even when Max is trying to show his honest feelings
he can't help but lie.
As much as a BYU fan that I am I hope that this kid or jack %^& if attending BYU
gets kicked out of school and gets a lifetime ban from all cougar sports. Its
one thing to hit another fan but to attack a women and her daughter is worse
then what Hall said. Not cool.
Better get the whole story before condeming the Cougars and their fans. One of
Kyles Sons started the whole thing and will probably be in big trouble, and Mrs.
Whittingham will look pretty foolish. It's a sad thing and should have never
is not the classy response.BYU owes the Whittinghams a personal and
very public apology. The unnamed fan should never be allowed to attend a game
in LES again. In fact, he should be identified, arrested, and charged with
assault. It is beyond disgusting; it's criminal.There is no room in
sports for fans who attack anyone, period.All of us at BYU are
ashamed of anyone who would act this way. We are embarrassed by such behavior
and realize it reflects very badly on all of us. It is a badge of shame for the
entire institution.If my apology means anything, I hope all Utes can
accept it. This terrible behavior must stop.
I have degrees from both places. The whole thing makes me a little ill. Win a
stupid game at all costs; what a stupid thing for higher education to be
I'm with you.. I will be paying ANY price to have a seat in RES next year.. I
will be cheering loudly for the Cougars and I will also be video taping and
recording everything with my phone.. as evidence against any yewt and against
the university for any lack of protection. It's a sure thing -- and it will be
nice to OWN the University!
I just don't get it. Why do football fans get so worked up about a game and a
rivalry that they "hate" the other team, use vulgar and demeaning language and
resort to physical attacks. I am a big BYU fan, but if I ever got to the point
that I was as rabid and out of control as some of the BYU and Utah fans are, I
would walk away from it and devote my time to something else. I respect the
UofU. I like their coach. I watched Alex Smith play yesterday and I was
excited to see the success he had playing for the 49ers. I admire that he is
still hanging in there after having a rocky start in the NFL. What has happened
to decency and respect and good sportsmanship.
innocuous...thanks online dictionary
The unwillingness to address the issues at the University of Utah is the root
cause of the problems. When they finally wake up and ask their fans to exhibit
more sportsmanship, then the problems will cease. The Ute fans insist on
criticizing Hall for comments that they make about BYU on a daily basis. I'm
with Hall all the way.
Every year is a rebuilding year in college athletics, or more acurate a
reloading year. If this is a rebuilding year then Whittingham is at fault for
poor recruiting. In college you should always recruit years in advance to make
sure your qb and other positions are stocked and ready, unlike the utes this
year with two unknowns competing for the job.
I THINK WHAT MAX SAID WAS WRONG BUT HE HAS TO ASK GOD, FOR FORGIVENESS, WE ARE
NOT SUPPOSE TO HATE ANYONE.WHERE DID THE ETHICS GO. IM A MORMAN AND A UTES FAN
ALSO BUT WE NEED TO FORGIVE AND FORGET WE DONT NEED THE BURDEN IT CARRYS WITH IT
. HATE THAT IS IS WRONG. GOD BLESS YOU MAX AND MAY GOD FORGIVE US ALL FOR OUR
WRONG DOING. WE CAN FORGIVE AND MOVE ON. A UTE FAN
and let's see if Bronco and BYU will respond with class.
..Max pointed out that they have no class. A classy institution would accept
the apology and move on. I predict the U will issue a statement
-just to save face- sometime this week.
if any thing Hall showed he was selfish. He took the spotlight off of George who
has been in the shadow of Pitta. He took the spotlight off of game and put it on
him. He took the loss last year personal and he played a selfish game by not
being the gunslinger that he his supposed to be and playing not to throw
interceptions. Lesson to be learned here: if you don't like critism, don't read
these blogs that are chock full of them as well as full of hate from both fan
bases. Max Halls hatred stems not only from any supposed incidents at RES, but
from the hatred spewed forth among blog sites and as well as radio and other
now all we need is photo evidence of the beer pouring and were even....oh yeah
those stories are all fabricated!
Does anyone know the details behind these 2 pictures?Who's the guy
in the BYU sweatshirt?SOMEBODY had to sit next to this guy. Who is
he?Is it true that as one of the comments above stated that one of
Kyle Whittingham's sons started the pushing and shoving above?There
were undoubtedly LOTS of people around Mrs. Whittingham who saw what happened.
Even though multiple versions/viewpoints will abound, there had to be enough
people who saw what happened to get a clear picture of the event.One
only needs to see the fear on Mrs. Whittingham's daughter's face in the pictures
to know that whoever started this tussle is worthy of serious public rebuke and
one whopping sincere apology to this young woman and her family.
Thanks Kyle!! This abuse at games needs to stop and we are all responsible for
letting it continue. We all need to take a stand regardless of who we cheer for.
If we witness someone abusing someone, step in and stop it. If you're not strong
enough, get some help from others. We all need to take a stand and stop this
Stop the Hate.Go Utes!!!
Any peace treaty for now will end for sure next season when the teams play again
at RES and half the fans are turned loose like a bunch of zoo animals, then it
will start all over again. And don't for one minute that Ute fans won't want to
take it to another level next year. They're probably already planning.
If Utah really is choosing not to respond, let's hope that in the 2010 season we
don't hear Utah players and coaches and fans resurrecting this unfortunate
incident.Are the Utes not responding now because it looks
politically correct, and just saving their response for next year?Or
will the Ute organization and fans truly show some class and put it behind them
for good? Only time will tell, but I have a sinking feeling that we
are far from seeing or hearing the end of Hallgate.
You didn't win 2 BCS you played in two BCS games and defeated Pittsburgh and
Alabama both who broght garbage to their bowl game. You did not win national
championships. Had you played the same schedule as your hated rival you would
have not been in the BCS either year unless you could have beaten USC and Norte
Dame (good ND team that year in 2004) and TCU in Ft Worth in 2008. Can't say you
would or wouldn't but very unlikely. MVP was your schedule maker both years.
You sir are an idiot...I would love see any evidence of Mrs. Max Hall or his
mother being assaulted at RES last year. It is just obvious that the Utes have
been in Max's head for over a year now. Watch how he played, he played to not
throw an interception (fortunately for him Paul Krueger is now playing on
Sundays) Listen to those who watched Max's premeditated tirade...he was a man on
a mission and no one was going to stop him from getting his verbal garbage out.
BYU has lost prestige as a quarterback factory to a vineyard where they produce
a lot of whine. John Beck and Max Hall....Tears and Jeers...(Yes this is an
anonymous post so that Max Hall doesn't come hunt me down...I just can't handle
that much hate focused on me!)
Maybe the Whittinghams and Kyle have no response because they are exercising the
right to remain silent. If I were Kyle and I ended up getting the real story
from the Mrs. of what she did, then I'd apply the cone of silence as well. How
embarrassing will it be when it comes out that his son started the whole thing,
and his wife, literally, jumped into the fray?
I hope someone can identify that punk. It is a shame that whack jobs like that
can tarnish the reputation of two fine schools.
What's the coach's wife doing on the sideline?What did she come down to
gloat after utah made OT field goal?
I am a UCLA grad living in Utah and a big college football fan, though since I'm
not from here not really into Utah or BYU. I do follow both teams though and was
wary about going to the game here a couple of years ago with my family because
of what I've heard. My family was decked out in our UCLA garb. We had no
problems at all. In fact, Chris Hill even stopped by at our alumni bbq
beforehand. Turns out he's buddies with our AD. Before, during, after the game
-- no one said boo about us being UCLA fans or made us feel uncomfortable in any
way. Maybe it was because our team got smoked!
This is a free country and Max can say anything he wants to, like he has in many
other situations like this. He is consistent and so he has not disappointed me.
He is a complete fool who cannot accept all the interceptions he threw and
fumble he made last year. Why does have to blame the U for his mistakes? When
you're in a high profile position, you have to take the good with the bad and be
a man about it. He'll never make it at the next level, because he cant
handle the criticisms when he makes a mistake---especially the pros if he ever
makes it that far. He even belittles his own fan base when he makes the mistakes
for not supporting his stupid play. What a joke!!!!!
it looks as if the photo that is supposed to depict Coach Whittingham's wife
being grabbed is actually just a shot of some guys coming over the seats to get
onto the field. Anyone else see it that way? The guys look like they are
focused way beyond where she is and they are moving past her. I really don't
think this is what is has been made out to be, but maybe someone wanted to have
a counterpoint to what Max Hall had stated happened to his wife last year.
The Utah organization and its fans at RES treat our opponents with the utmost
respect. We value sportsmanship and show great hospitality to our guest. It is
when unwanted, pesky, self-righteous, better than the world school down south
come to RES when we get into trouble with. Not saying we physically hurt them
which I still haven't seen but verbal jabs, yes. Isn't that what rivals are
Yes, this is a free country and you can say what you what. But, everything you
think should not always be said. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a
fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." A. Lincoln
I've seen both photos...neither of which show anyone being assulted. They do
show a BYU clothing clad being restrained...but that's about it.
Can't we remember that this was us, the fans not the teams let's not be saying
anything about the teams. Also, for those of you thinking: wait max hall said he
hated Utah, he is entitles to his own opinion. Lastly both sides have now added
fuel to the fire. Lets all forgive and forget and hope we can have a good game
This whole "your fans are worse than our fans" is pointless. More than 90% of
all the fans at both schools are great people with families and jobs. They know
how to treat each other with respect and can still enjoy poking fun at one
another with dignity and class. The other 10% represent everything bad that we
despise. I cannot believe how many active LDS members who are BYU
fans are stating that the "agree" with Max. And I cannot believe how many U
fans try to excuse what was done to Max's family.As a Utah season
ticket holder, I ask all others at RES to stand up for the University and watch
out for those around you (no matter what color shirt they are wearing). And for those great BYU fans that I enjoyed sitting next to in section
32 at LES, I felt very welcome at the Y and enjoyed the game. As for the 10%,
the BYU basketball team and their group attacks and choice adjectives towards
the fans in red, please stay home next year.
This is all very entertaining.....and childish.Go Boise State
Aaahhh the agony we put ourselves through, Hall's comments were thoughtless
generalizations and unfair. Now we sit spewing vitriolic waste...I regret my
quarterbacks behavior, I admire the Ute's forebearance, and I wish we were
talking about what each team brings to the national picture...uugghh.
"The Utah organization and its fans at RES treat our opponents with the utmost
respect. We value sportsmanship and show great hospitality to our guest."You meant that as a joke, right? Even the Utah faithful know that is
just not true.The picture looks like Mrs Whittingham might have been
collateral damage in an altercation with a BYU fan and another Ute. I'm sure
eventually we'll find out. Someone will recognize this guy and come forward.
No reason to jump to conclusions.
you guyd just let both things go. both coleges say sorry tell their fans to calm
down. faults on both sides of the field. come on people.
I agree with chase let's forgive and forget
Time not only to forgive and forget--but FIX THE PROBLEMS. I cheer for BYU and
support the ideals it *says* it stands for--so I'm deeply ashamed to see some
nutcase in blue attacking Jamie Whittingham. Glad Max apologized, but he
shouldn't have popped off in the first place--and he shouldn't have had anything
to pop off about. And the Utah fans who throw around the hate and religious
banter need to knock it off, too.This whole spite-filled rivalry has
become a ticking time bomb. Fans of BOTH schools are WAY out of control, as are
some of the players. Is it going to take an actual soccer riot at a BYU-Utah
game, complete with severe injuries and possibly even deaths, for us to realize
that there's a very real problem here?Maybe we should all forgive
but NOT forget--at least until we've found ways to make this rivalry fun again
instead of embarrassing at best, and dangerous at worst.
are not only classless but the biggest hypocrits in America! Read your
slanderous, outrageous posts in both local papers. You have proven Max Hall
correct even if he should not have said it publicly.Hey utes the
shoe fits! So wear it!
to be treated in an offensive manner at a football game. Whits wife is off
limits! So are all fans.I will tell you that many of us wouod not
set foot in RES on a bet. The institution needs more security and the good fans
need to stand up to the horde at both schools.
this is not just a BYU problem. It is a big time utha problem and to say
nothing is irresponsible.You need to step up and fix your inhouse
I honestly have no respect for BYU now because of that Max Hall said he had no
right to and it was messed up!
Max Hall and Fans on both sides prove Sportsmanship is a thing of past-dead. I
fear the escalation of "pure hatred" between the two institutions will continue
to grow beyond containment. The U of U AD should consider leaving the MWC thus
ending scheduled sports with BYU. Boy would that be BOLD and send a STRONG
MESSAGE???!!!...Years ago our Stake President ended Men’s
Basketball for the very same reason - Poor Sportsmanship by those that should
know better. We church basketball nuts cried like babies...now we play pickup
games...no fights, no cussing, No time spent in the Stake Presidents Office
etc...I have to report - it worked - Consider joining (if possible
the PAC-10) or the WAC - Boise St, Fresno St, Nevada, etc and a trip to Hawaii
every other year (make it the last game of the schedule - get some extended
beach time)...and get the same chance at the National Championship as with the
MWC.(Slim)I know these thoughts are delusional - but I just got back
from Serving (Military) in Iraq for a year...Experienced awful situations. I
look at things a little differently now...Do what is right let the
Now that is class. Way to go U
score board. It's just a game and both sides are to blame. So, let's not point
fingers. Both sides fueled the fire and that's final. Stop arguing and be an
Wow is all I have to say! People can be so silly!
Funny how nobody would let thier 10 year olds act this way during or after a pop
warner football game or a kids soccer game. Parents would be appaled if the
coaches let a "rivalry" get anywhere past sticking out a tounge. Even that
wouldn't go unlectured. But these two universities full of "grownups" stoop to
this level.What do you tell your little kids on Saturday afternoons?
... from Utah should spend their time trying to regain order in the stands at
LES and RES instead of trying to bust the BCS. Better searches upon entry and
criminal convictions for assault should be handed down.I am a BYU
fan, but if you have pictures of a guy attacking a woman and her child,
regardless of their names, you should have them up on charges for assault, the
pictures are the evidence. If Utah or BYU cannot maintain order in their
stadiums, the teams should play in an empty house, just like they do in Europe
to stop hooligans.Heavy fines should be handed down for the lack of
security and more police put in, at the expense of the home team. The hatred
This is so funny. I wouldn't expect to hear hate speech from the QB of BYU. Then
again the truth comes out in the heat of passion.
Cameras in the stadiums, police at entrance and exits to check baggage, or
perhaps no baggage at all. This can escalate to real violence including
drive by shootings. Stop the hate now!
I am very sorry that Mrs. Whittingham was hurt after the game, but if the
pictures show the incident where she got her lip busted, it's obvious that it
was accidental and that this BYU fan is simply trying to get away from people
who are restraining him. I have no idea why they are restraining him, but his
focus is definitely not on Mrs. Whittingham.I personally feel worse
for her daughter, who is obviously terrified.I wasn't there, but my
apologies anyway. Things like this shouldn't happen at a game whether at BYU or
at the U.
I don't think Ute fans should be called classless, but I wouldn't call them
classy. I've been to games at RES.
It is more hostile at RES for these games. I have sat in the BYU student
section in full Utah gear. Nobody touched me. I was also at the game in provo
where ratliff threw the game winner. Utah fans were singing all the way out of
the stadium and for the most part were treated with at least some sort of
restrained respect. My buddy went to the 2008 game at RES and almost got into a
fight. It is embarrassing and we need to be better. But seriously, what a poor
sport Max Hall is...and he won! That says a lot about someone...the pinnacle
game of his college career and he blows the sweetness away with bitter comments.
When I played college ball the first thing that was taught was sportsmanship. I
believe for the most part the athletes still display sportsmanship. Max Hall ran
off at the mouth a little bit after a heated battle in which he was personaly
involved. And before anyone starts to specualte that I am a BYU lover. Let it be
known I played for the U. The thing that is unbelieveable to me is the way you
all are speaking to one another on here... It's ridiculous. Would any of you
really talk to one another that way if you had to meet and work it out man to
man? It is obvious which of you have competed in athletics and which of you are
armchair quarterbacks. I don't understand how fans love to sit back and throw
darts at the players coaches and staff for any little indescesion. But when it
comes to themselves they will pop off with any little half whitted comment that
comes to mind. Ladies and Gentlemen can we please use a little sportsmanship in
our comments? If we recall the game was played cleanly. it's the fans that are
out of hand.
Why don't the Utes issue an apology to Max Hall for the way his family was
treated last year? Last I checked spitting on people and throwing beer on them
is worse than throwing out a few disparaging comments. C'mon Utah,
you really are classless! You sit there and act like martyrs rather than owning
up to your role in this fracas. I've been to enough games in Rice Eccles stadium
to know that I'm not sure I'll ever go back. Most of your fans are decent
people, but you've got small but very obnoxious contingent who are responsible
for a lot of the nastiness in this rivalry. Own up to it please!
One thing we BYU fans have over you Utah fans -- we are members of the only true
church on the entire planet. So, we have that going for us. Yay for Max. He's
Mendenhall and Whittingham should stand up and take a stand on this one.A great Rivalry is terriffic fun.This state has one of the
best ones going.There should be no room for hate in this rivalry.Bronco and Kyle, the fans will follow your lead. Take a stand on this
and set the tone for fans to be devoted yet civil.
Ute fans are also member of the LDS church, BYUisTrue. Have you never been out
of Provo to find this out?
I thought everyone in Utah was busy or something, but I guess all it took was a
BYU/UTAH football game to bring all sorts of folks out making comments. Some of
you are nuts, but I enjoy the entertainment and the laughs. That stuff is mild
compared to some of the unfortunate stuff that happens out here. A lot of you
need to move on.
Classless? Classless? You can't handle classless. If you want to see real
"classless," go watch a men's Church basketball game. Now there's classless!!As for Hall's comments, I am sure he's been duly chastised by Bronco &
others in the BYU administration, as well as the MWC. Therefore, I foregive Max
for his comments & say let's move on.I hope all the teams in bowl
games representing the MWC represent themselves & our conference well.Go Cougars!!
Probably because Max made up the statement about how his family was treated. I
seen physical proof on what happened to coach whitt's wife but I haven't seen
anything on Hall's family except for what Hall claims happened. Right now Max
has a credibility issue to go along with whiny and cowardly.he put
more effort in trying to justify his classless comments during his apology than
he did in actually apologizing.
I am a Utah fan and used to have season tickets. I am not LDS. Max's comments
were unsportsmanlike. Having said that, I do understand and am embarrassed for
Utah after hearing what he and his family has had to endure as a result of him
being in the spotlight as BYU's QB. I have seen firsthand the behaviors he
mentioned, on BOTH sides of the arena at BYU-Utah games. I have seen the
thousands of beer cans left behind after the games. I enjoy my tailgate party
as much as the next person, but hey, we all need to take responsibility for our
behaviors. I have seen and been the recipient of unsportsmanlike post-game
behavior and it is disturbing. What does it say about our society if we cannot
even have friendly competition anymore, but instead fear for our safety after or
during a game?
I am extremely tired of the "Wo is me" attitude the U fan base has adopted
following Max's comments. This victim mentality is tiring and suggestive of a
true inferiority complex.The U's "No response" is not classy at all. A
truly classy response would be a statement that they forgive Max Hall for his
comments and that they also apologize for the treatment Max's family received at
RES. No response reeks of wounded pride and petty, victim-mentality.The Y
is held to a higher standard than the U. I recall numerous comments over the
years (including use of the dreaded "H" word) from U players directed toward the
Y. I have never seen the uproar that Max's comments have induced. It's
strange.The great bane of contemporary American culture is political
correctness. It is the root of our current economic woes and numerous other
problems we face as a society. We have become so afraid of hurting other's
feelings, that we sugar coat our words and are coerced into issuing public
apologies when we over speak.We are all human, and we have all over-spoken
at one time or another.
This is not just a BYU fan vs. Utah fan problem. I believe it has to do with
local jealousies within the Northern Utah area more than anything. My guess is
the media compounds the problem. I don't know of another place where two TV
news stations choose allegiances toward one of two football programs and
likewise, two newspapers take sides. You've even got radio stations doing this.
I don't live in Utah, yet I am a big fan of BYU sports. I don't have an axe to
grind with Utah nor have I ever. I really think someone needs to fix the media
But are we as a society moving toward barbarianism? Anyone from either fan base
who would attack women is a barbarian.
My, my, my. I thought the game was great Saturday. Max was stupid in what he
said, but so have others been stupid in the past (yes, Utes and Cougars). This
barrage of words that are only hurtful make me sick. Can't we be civil?