Give it a rest Amy, how serious are you taking these comments? In the heat of
emotion and anger anything can happen. Max Hall is not every BYU fan, it's Max
Hall. Did you listen to the entire rant? I thought not. He explained that
unless you have been in his shoes, you wouldn't understand his view, so clearly,
you don't understand.
Well spoken madam
By the way, where did you get your Psychology degree?
This article is awesome and truly reflects what was going through Max Hall's
mind in those heated moments after the game. In a few years, very few people
will remember what kind of QB this kid was but no one will forget his harsh
words in a moment of anger. So sad.
Is this journalism? or simply a rant by a secret Ute fan? To be honest this
"article" sounds like much of the on-line ranting and not something from a
so-called professional journalist.
Very well written and to the point. Now if only Max reads it AND comprehends.
Unfortunately, I doubt either will happen.
This is a major black mark on Max Hall. He should have given Utah respect and
praised their coaches. Instead he talked of his hate for anything that wears
red. Not very classy for the winningnest QB in BYU history.
wow! you guys are really over thinking what he had to say. get over it and move
fair, accurate and appropriate. I sincerely hope Max is being counseled along
these lines by those close to him. He's made a terrible error so far.
I think it is time both coaches talk to their teams and universities about
sportsmanship on and off the field. The unsportmanslike conduct penalties are
just as disappointing and more dangerous than words spoken. If it is true that
only a small percentage of fans misbehave, the large percentage of good fans
should not stand for crude behavior and police themselves and the stands. This
rivalry has descended to all that is amiss in sports and our culture. We all
should be a bit ashamed.
Behind you all the way Max. I agree with everything you said. I hate Utah. I
graduated from The U in 1980. I hated the anti BYU fans then and I still hate
them today. I will enjoy this win for a year and hope BYU wins again next year
Kudos, Amy - you've done a masterful job expressing the feeling of many of us.
I've loved watching Max Hall the last three years, but I was disappointed in his
comments. Football is just a game - its not a Civil War.
Has anyone ever heard of the term in professional psychology "projection"? You
article would make a very interesting example of this phenomenon. Think about
I really can feel Hall's pain. I've seen so much hate and vitriol spewed out
towards him on message boards and on sports talk shows.I am very
glad that he won the game. He is a great quarterback and I really wish him all
the best.I'm glad the Ute fans have something more to cry about, and
I really truly wish that they would never ever ever attend a game at LES. Stay
away. Any BYU fan or student that gives or sells their tickets to a Ute fan, is
I am starting to hate this column you wrote.
Great article. It's unfortunate what happened to Hall's family last year. Does
that justify whatever Max wants to do? Can he forget who he represents and what
his family now must bear as a result of his actions? At least beer washes off
with a little water. Now Hall and his family have to figure a way to "wash"
this off all of them. I'm sure there will be the obligatory apology, but will
that really help?
You represent who you really are in the heat of the moment. I love how people
always say "I got caught up in the moment and that's not really me".
Ummm...unfortunately it usually is exactly who you are!
It seems like the media is taking Max's word for it that The Great Beer Incident
actually occurred. Anyone can say anything, but it does not mean it is actually
true.From a logistics standpoint, it is highly unlikely The Great
Beer Incident actually occurred. Beer is not sold in Rice-Eccles Stadium. Beer
is smuggled in. However, bags have been checked since the terrorist attacks of
2001. Security routinely confiscates everything from Red Vines to M&M's.
Therefore, any beer smuggled in has to be smuggled in inconpicuously in pockets
of clothing. That severely limits the amount of beer smuggled in. Now, if
someone were to smuggle in a couple beers, and not get thrown out when they
break one out (which happens regularly around my section), what are the chances
a beer will actually make it through a game, unconsumed, and poured on a BYU
fan's head? Highly unlikely. If I smuggle in a couple beers, those beers
become a very valuable commodity, and they're getting consumed, not wasted on a
Cougar.Please, media, push him on this. Let's hear names of the
victims. Did they file a complaint with police?
Too many quotes. Can't your own original thoughts convey your message Amy?
How's about a quote from the BYU coach about Hall's comments?
As a mom, teacher, and a big football fan, I appreciate this article. It is a
keeper for me to use with my children and students. Thanks for the great quotes,
This is the most ridiculous article I think I've ever read. Max Hall got caught
up in the moment and said things he shouldn't have said, but needed to be said.
If you check out a real article on this web site you will see what set him off.
Go check out some real journalism!
Completely agree. Max Hall showed how immature he really is and how classless
he is by not having good sportsmanship. I'm fine with saying the things he did
amongst his team, but to come out and say those things to the media was
brainless on his part. He should be embarassed for how poorly he represented
himself, his team, and his religion. One can only conclude that if he hates
anything and everything "UTE" related, he must hate those LDS church leaders his
school also represents that also graduated from the University of Utah.
Max Hall has issued his apology and explained that his comments were really
directed to the fans that treated his family poorly last year.So...
Ute fans you can either accept his apology, or be in the group of fans to whom
Max meant to direct his comments.Just let it go... the game is over.
Max has played his last game against the Utes. The rivalry will go on...
Hopefully in a more respectable fashion.
After all that's been written about Hall's comments and the ensuing debacle that
has resulted as others have insisted on responding, this is one of the few
sensible, grounded sentiments I've come across. Thank you. Now let's let it go
and move on from our need to out-insult each other and "prove" who is on the
Lighten up Amy. I, for one, will always remember Max Hall as a BYU Great that
lead his team to three 10-win seasons and not what he said at the end of a
heated rivalry game.
One of the best things she has ever written and it said all the things that
SOMEONE should have said. Thanks. As for the people posting who are knocking
her comments....you guys miss the whole point of her words and of the quotes she
Max should have used the chance to recognize his players and got caught up in
the moment. But the biggest issue here is what happens regularly in RES. Utah
fans are an embarrassment to both the University and the State of UTAH. I am
from California and watched the 2006 BYU / UTAH gain in RES. We intentionally
wore neutral colors and didn't cheer. After the second quarter Utah fans figured
out we weren't cheering for Utah and started to verbally attack us, by the
fourth quarter my wife was verbally attacked and we considered leaving. My
experience mirrors Hall's family and several others I know. I sincerely hope
some who are "rational" Utah fans can read these comments and join the rest of
us in acting human during games
Hopefully Utah will have better security.
and forget. Isn't that what you are preaching here in this article? Why don't
you all do the same? Forgive a man who, himself, had a very hard time forgiving
others. Instead, the vengeful think it's their duty to instill a bit of salt in
a wound that is as wide as an inch.Get over yourselves, and get on
with life.Didn't we learn the adage when we were little? "Sticks and
stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
Was there even a game? Max Hall's comments seem to be all the media can talk
about. They have forgotten there was a game. I want to know about the game,
not Max Hall. Do you report news or create controversy? Give it a rest Utah
media. Try and be more like the national media and grow up.
Probably the most ridiculous article I have ever read. This is sports not a
woman's social. Hate is part of the game. Don't write about what you don't
know. Once you have played in a game between utah and byu then you know alot
worse things are being said on the field than "hate". Yes we do hate BYU and
they hate us. Who cares. Stop crying and prepare for next year.
This whole thing is so laughable. It's hilarious to me how much press this
thing has gotten. I'm glad that everyone has so much time on their hands that
they can sit and analyze this to death! Was it in poor taste? Yes. Heat of
the moment? Yes. Would I want my kid to say those things? Nope. But, when my
kid messes up (even publicly) I hope I can cut him some slack, let him apologize
and move on. Last time I checked, Max wasn't the spokesman for either the
church or the school. He's a student-athlete that messed up. He apologized.
Max, you were never my favorite, but it's water under the bridge. I'm sure the
Utes won't forget, but that's the consequence of the rant. Yawn...
is a cheap shot. Now let's analyze nasty ute fans.
Max will live.
Thanks Amy...I loved the article. Now watch out because the hate from byu fans,
who will attack you on every issue other than your leadership and wisdom, is
coming in this blog. Already I have read some of those comments above. You
have spoken the truth and have added wisdom from intelligent leaders throughout
the world and history. I am a more enlightened person after reading your
article and find it "Spot on". You did an excellent job. I hope more will see
the value and intelligence in this article.Well Done!
Amy when is the last time you put on pads? This is like all of these preppy
journalists trying to explain the combat situation in Iraq or Afghanistan from
their comfy chairs in the news room. You want another analogy? How bout the
professors teaching a discipline class to wanabe teachers at the universities
even though they never taught in the classroom. Amy, it was in the heat of the
battle and Max apologied.
Amy, what a great article. You get it. Keep up the good work.
Besides wanting to know where you got your psychology degree, I'm wondering how
many hours you sat down face to face with Max to gain such a comprehensive
knowledge of the inner-workings of his heart.
I don't know what he was so mad about, the highlight of his career was beating
Utah last night. Not playing in a BCS bowl game, not playing for a National
Championship or even in the discussion. Throwing beer at a players family is a
cowardly act and I hope they were caught and arrested. Hey, Maxx cheer up!
Remember, the highlight of your career was beating Utah on Saturday, November
28th 2009. And people... leave the Church out of this, it has nothing to do with
an imperfect person that let his emotions get the better of him after a FOOTBALL
I find it extremely narrow-minded that you classify other peoples comments as
"hate" simply because they don't agree with you.
Max apologized earlier today for what he said. He's getting over it, everyone
else should too (you too Amy).
C'mon...a college student, okay athlete, spouts off about a rival school / team!
So what! I guess that is his opinion and his feelings. You can agree or
disagree but what good does it do to criticize the way he feels?Let
it go. He said, what he said and then he apologized. Move on already....and
this type of psychological analysis from this article is hardly beneficial to
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate,
hate leads to suffering." -YodaWorry not, Max will grow up. He's
just a senior in college...
Wah wah wah wah wah wahGet over everything ever said or ever done and
we'll all be good. Good? Good.
What a stupid article.
REALLY? Really? Do you really believe this dribble that you wrote. Emotion has
no place in sports, and by saying no place in life? You care that much, that a
college football player said he hated the team he played against? He felt it was
personal, and for that he is wrong? He voiced his opinion, and for that he is
wrong? Did it really hurt someones feelings? I am dying to know which Ute fans
went home feeling all sad and depressed because that mean quarterback who just
beat us does not like us. Or the BYU fans who all high and might try to ignore
that they deep down feel the same way. But how dare HE make such a comment. What
a poor sport he MUST be. Sad that a comment like this stirs the pot so much,
that a article like this even had to be written. Enjoy.
wow utah!!! its not like we didn't see this coming.. you guys got beet deal
with it!! ya utah fans are "classless" max is right. Utah fans should start
worrying about the game instead of who's cheering for who! MAX i'm with you,
maybe i don't hate everything about the UofU but i don't like their their
football team. And i know i would hate them if they threw bevereges at my family
and taunted them. We need to put ourselves in MAX's shoes. i just hope this will
be water under the bridge soon. Amy you should stop writing about sports.
I bet if one of Utah's players had said something like this you would of agreed
with it. but since its MR.Hall you have to make a big ol deal about it.Great game MAX !!!GO COUGARS!!!
This was actually a pretty good article - thanks for writing it.
Even the best people make mistakes and lose their tempers after an intense,
emotional rivalry game.Amy would have done better to direct her attention
to the nasty Ute fans last year, the unsportsmanlike play,and the (at least)one
B.Y.U. fan who acted so despicably instead of psycho analyzing someone she
doesn't know.The principles were honest but highhandedly and judgmentally
directed at one person.
Nicely done, Amy. Trying to bring some sanity to an insane world. Good luck with
I couldn't a said it better Amy! Not even close! I hope they all [red and blue]
read it and take it to heart.
You comment on how Max's (admittedly dumb) remarks were bigger than the game,
etc. Then you ask, WHY oh why, Amy can't we be more like National
media. Have you read about the USC vs. UCLA game? That entire game
story was lost after a timeout, A TD, and a near brawl.National
media covered it just about EXACTLY the same way Amy did. Amy, I
barely know you, but you seem to accurately report the "feelings"; the
underlying conflict of sports in many of your stories. For That, I say Thank
You.And to all other comments on these "public" boards. Try not to
make too big a fool of yourselves. AND do not post anything that you would have
trouble saying to that (often HUGE) person if they were right in front of
you.Internet sites and Boards like this one have turned cowards into
the super courageous with the anonymity that they support. Mr. Hall
if you, or your family, is reading the trash that is usually posted; you need to
either a) Have MUCH, much, thicker skin or b) discontinue reading these
I don't recall any Utah player ever saying that BYU as an organization or BYU's
football program or BYU's fans were classless. Stop trying to defend Uncle Max
and his mad rant and simply admit that it was a classless display.
Well said Amy.
Poor Max. What an asterisk to his whole season. All those wins. And
THIS is what he will be remembered for.
Sure there have been Ute players in the past that have said they hate BYU in a
generic rivalry sense. But I have never heard anything along the lines of "I
hate the entire BYU school, their fan base, the organization, their program. I
hate everything." Yeah, Max definitely took it to the extreme, and
that will be his legacy for the rest of his life. Not his play on the field, and
not the wins against Utah. He will forever be known as the average QB that
spewed his mouth.
I couldn't agree more."I think it is time both coaches talk to their
teams and universities about sportsmanship on and off the field. The
unsportmanslike conduct penalties are just as disappointing and more dangerous
than words spoken. If it is true that only a small percentage of fans misbehave,
the large percentage of good fans should not stand for crude behavior and police
themselves and the stands. This rivalry has descended to all that is amiss in
sports and our culture. We all should be a bit ashamed."I'd be very,
very please if yesterday's incidents resulted in both coaches, both ADs and both
Presidents getting together to change the tone of this stupid rivalry.I LOVE my brother, and have never competed harder against anyone in my whole
life. I didn't have to hate him to compete.
I played football in college, and coached for 15 years. There is no
need for nor benefit from hate.We taught out players to talk with
their play. We taught them to walk away from taunting, to walk away from
punches, to play the game. We won championships.
We had a football party at my house with fans that wore blue and fans that wore
red. We had a great time although I was disappointed in the outcome. Since we
don't get Utah TV channels, I was unware of Max Hall's rant until I read the
on-line papers today. It is unfortunate that this is so big in Utah. Here in
Washington I don't think my friendly rivals are classless and they don't think
I'm classless either. People in Utah (both red and blue) need to grow up. Can't
wait for next year and a more mature Wynn. Go Utes!
cool story Amy
cool story random and anonymous championship player and coach.....
Very good piece of writing, Amy. You summarized what many of us have been
thinking as this episode has unfolded. What Max Hall said in the postgame
revealed more about him than anything else. I feel badly for him and his world
view and hope he will grow up and, as you so powerfully noted, learn from this
experience. If not, he is anything but a credit to his experience in collegiate
athletics and to BYU.
Well said, Amy, and spot on.Hall has shown his true colors. It's
what a man does in the heat of passion that shows his core.And to
"Anonymous" at 8:59...no, what he said DIDN'T need to be said.To
"THEeyepatch" at 9:55...if The Church gets credit when its members act
becomingly, it gets the blame when its members act unbecomingly - especially
when they're from an institution that indoctrinates them about their actions and
monitors their behavior so that they are a light set up on a hill. The knife
cuts both ways.
Nice article. I am still waiting for the articles about self-loathing ex-utes
Morgan Scalley and Steve Tate who expressed hatred for BYU after rivalry games
in the past. Might I add, both of them used a lot more colorful language than
Mr. Hall did to make his point.
One doesn't write this well about anger without having some experience with it,
some failure with it, some success with it, and some development in forgiveness.
One also doesn't go through college without making some mistakes, without saying
a few regretful things, without mishandling some personal pain, all while having
a glimmer of understanding that we can eventually learn to handle it all. While
sports stories do not usually get specific about the life-long quest to manage
emotions, the characters in this one, both fans and player, give us a chance to
see how holding on to pain can betray us, and maybe even more important, help us
to understand how not to judge too harshly when someone makes this mistake, lest
we nurse our own slights with such judgment. Sports can be illustrative of so
much of life, if we look for it.
Very well written and intelligent article.I truly hope this was just
a personal outburst from one challenged individual rather than a display of what
is taught in BYU athletics.
is the only way to describe his comments. BYU has been good to Max. Free
education; national exposure, etc. And, unfortunately, the world may now judge
BYU by his absurd, overly broad comments. I love my cougs but I hope that they
will take some action.
Well written and embracing lots of truths...the quotes sprinkled throughout the
article were deliciously appropriate not only to what you were writing but to
each of our lives. Thanks for reminding us and giving the reader something to
think about long after Max's tantrum is forgotten.
Max Hall embarrased himself and BYU with his comments. Absolute lack of self
control and I hope Mendenhall has the integrity to speak out about it. It is
such a shame that this win did so much to silence critics of Hall only to have
him quickly give himself a black eye moments after recovering from previous
self-inflicted wounds due to his poor play in big games. I am seriously shocked
that he has such an obvious lack of self control after leading this team for 3
years now. And his obligatory apology was full of yeah-buts. As a huge Cougar
fan I am embarrassed by Max Hall today when moments before his rant I was so
proud of him. It really is a shame.
Max is a good man, He knows all this stuff... he had just had
enough like a lot of us had!
Amazing writing Amy. You forgot to quote Yoda though. "Fear leads to anger, and
anger leads to hate"Max looked fearful of throwing picks on
Saturday. BYU won in spite of Max.
Hey Utah! Hey BYU! Did you catch the end of the USC vs. UCLA game last week? Go
look at the last three minutes on 'youtube' if you want to see what mirrors the
ugliness of what our little holy war is becoming. The bush league
incident that took place during the waining moments at the Rose Bowl reminded me
of something red and blue (think last year). Okay I will give it to you with
some other examples of poor sportsmanship below. But first let me ask the
question behind this whole jihad we experience each November. Is the rivalry
healthier than ever or just a sick form of human degradation? Maybe it's
somewhere in between. Isn't there a need to re-examine the rivalry
regardless?Last year it was 'The Haka' incident on the opposing
teams field (Rice Eccles). One year it was the Utah cheerleader beating up a
taunting cougar. On Saturday it was the Max Hall fiasco. What next? Whatever it
is, the media can't wait. This USC vs. UCLA game and more specifically its'
ending is another example of what is becoming increasingly wrong with sports.
What is this? Crips and Bloods at the Rose Bowl? I submit it to be a sad
reflection on what our society has become overall here in the United States.
Max didn't believe he deserved to win that game and tried for 60 minutes to
lose. But his teammates wouldn't allow it as George yanked in a dangerous pass
in traffic! So Hall punished himself with his post game mess.
I'm hopeful Max's remarks and subsequent apology, along with the furor around
them, will wake up sleepy administrations and the U and the Y about the
classless acts by out of control fans on both sides, and will encourage open
disucssion about how to create a safer environment at both stadiums during the
Love how BYU fans are defending a shining example of Christ-like love.
I really, REALLY enjoyed your article. I read in a comment that stated: "now if
Max Hall will only read and comprehend it". To me it doesen't matter becasue
the article proved so valuable to me. There are so many times I speak in am
moment of hatred or frustration, that I soon regret it. I can use this
experience to improve myself, my relationship with my family and associations
with others. Thanks so much for helping me be a better person. Now if I will
only read and comprehend this article, and might I add, implement it into my
Great article. My feelings exactly. It was dissappointing to hear Max Hall say
such unnecessarily rude comments about the opposing team.
It is not well chronicled what happened to The Hall family last year at RES, so
until you have all the facts don't pass judgement on how he should feel and what
he should say. Maybe he shouldn't have painted the whole University with a broad
brush, but until the University is willing to do something about their own fans
nothing will change.
This is ill-advised on so many sides. BYU, unlike other schools, even religious
ones, is judged on HOW they play the game, not just the score. Each penalty,
poor coaching moment, or side comment to the press is treated as news and a
judgment on LDS culture. This is promoted by BYU and its coaches. And this
Sunday School critique of what sports people are supposed to be like doesn't
really help. In a broad way this article is just as much of the problem as a
young football player expected to put up with months and years of anti-Mormonism
as well as critical fans. It's almost a no win situation. The expectations are
huge... and when all is over, someone, a female writer, takes a Sunday School
approach thus encouraging the same attitude that drives BYU football players
nuts... and they explode to the press. Maybe BYU shouldn't have a football team.
I'm a fan, but I'm sometimes embarrassed at the whole thing. Expectations are
too high. Football, sportsmanship and religion are often at odds in the modern
world. This article doesn't help.
well said i guess(coming from a true Y fan) maybe a little exagurated. come on
max keep your head on. we need you!
Whatever. It's okay to have emotions and show them sometimes. This whole
controversy reminds me why I feel like I'm in a foreign country when I visit
Utah. BYU still won.
Everyone chill out. Let the kid vent. He's leaving and it will soon be
forgotten. He has his life to manage and who needs the yip-yapping from the
"his comments will cause a lot of people to believe athletics are not a good
place to learn integrity, dedication, commitment and hard work."Maybe that's a good thing. I see riots in Mexico, Europe, England, and So.
America. Over a game! And you are complaining about someone mouthing off. I
graduated in the 60s from the U and my take on the U's fans is less than
complimentary!Of course, it's not just sports, but a classless
society that takes bad behavior in stride in order not to get beat up or
shot.Where is the fun in a game that take personal and political
This is the best and most appropriate counsel that could have been given. I
hope that Max will read and take to heart the message you shared. Even in the
heat of the moment, and I have played some ball, you can never unsay nor can you
take back the words you said. I hope these words don't become Max's legacy at
BYU. He was so much more.
Thanks for taking the time to address an epidemic in our society...that of anger
and hate. I didn't see this article as so much a bash on Max Hall (he did it to
himself), but an opportunity to discuss what hate can do to a person...I love the quotes! Thanks for sharing them with us. I, for one, am a better
person for reading this article today. I will make a commitment to not let anger
and hate ruin my day, week, year, or life...
Hall could have been more diplomatic, but this IS the grudge match that we Ute
and Cougar fans egg on each year. As a Ute fan and student, I don't think Hall
has anything to apologize for, though I am slightly skeptical of his evolving
tale of the indignities unleashed on his family at Rice Eccles. Nonetheless,
this was a big game for both teams, and for Hall personally. I don't see
anything wrong with him venting a little pent-up frustration at the other side
when all was said and done. It's as if he hurt our feelings ... well, we say the
same things about BYU's fans, players, student body, etc.--just not when the
cameras are rolling. We're becoming a people of babies.
Wow everyone. Just let it go. He said he was sorry and we all make mistakes, so
just forgive and forget. I think all of you are making more of a sin by judging
Max and what he has done. We all make mistakes.
For those fans who are bashing Amy's article, please tell me one thing she said
that is not true.It seems that many of you can not handle the truth.
It also seems that you value a truly classless act by an immature QB more than
you value truth since you will attack the messenger and not the act at which it
was directed.Good article, Amy. It gives us something to think
about . . . if we are willing to be open-minded enough to do so.
I thought BYU held themselves to a higher standard. Guess I was incorrect.
Loved the article! I don't see this as a rant against BYU or Max Hall, but a
reminder of what hate can do to us. I can't believe some of the thoughtless
remarks being flung at Amy! Incredible. It seems there are many who are in the
same boat as Max, who 'hate' unconditionally and are so blinded by it that they
can't see the logic in what is being said here. This proves how poignant this
article is...I love sports. Played football, basketball, and track
in high school and basketball in college. I've even played church ball! I
understand the passion associated with it. I love competition and am sometimes
overly competitive. But I've learned over the years that sportsmanship is all
that really matters. That's when the victory is truly sweet. When you can
congratulate your opponent, letting them know they tried hard and did well, but
just came up short. Mutual respect for each others ability and no bridges are
burned. It's a great lesson to learn in life.
This article sounds like the epitomy of self righteousness. Try this quote
"Judge not that ye be not judged" Oops, guess I just went against that one.
Maybe I should "mind my own business"!
It's just a football game! Max get some integrity, or you will be just like
everything you hate.
Nice viewpoint Amy. Well thought out and substantiated by the quotes you found.
This should be cut out and taped to the wall on every high school and college
football team locker room. Sports doesn't have to include anger and malice. It
should be fun and challenging. I'm a BYU fan and a journalist and Max Hall was
wrong to let loose about his feelings. If he had kept his mouth shut we'd all be
thinking more highly of him instead of wondering why he let the heat of the game
spew forth across newspapers and message boards. And his apology rings a little
hollow. That said, forgive and move on. It's just a game.
For all you that are saying that RES doesn't have good security they do, YOU
just didn't do anything about it, 1) They don't allow any outside
food or drink except sealed bottled water. so there is no beer in the
stadium.2) There is a number you can call or text to report any
disruptive behavior, all you have to do is text where you are at and someone
will be over.3) You could have gone and found a security guard, they
are all over the place, and had them come over and solve you problemSo you can just quit complaining about RES cause there was plenty of
thing that YOU could have done.
Play it close to the vest Max. Don't show 'em they hurt you.
It is easy to see who is a YBU fan and a Ute fan while reading all of this
article's comments. YBU fans defend Max Hall and state that this article is
pointless while the Ute fan agrees with it. I still could not believe that Max
Hall made the whole game about himself and satisfying his pride, ego and revenge
entrenched soul instead of giving props to his team. I'm sorry but Andrew George
made a great catch but because of Hall's selfish comments, George's limelight
will be short lived. This rivalry game will get more recognition from Hall's
comments than anything else that happened on the field. Sad, sad, sad!
What Max did, I think was wrong but,To deny that the types of things he metioned
happened to him and his family go on at RES stadium is foolish. I don't think
any honest Utah fan can tell you there is no beer drank at RES. Fans get
carried away at both stadiums. It is a common ocurrence at RES for fans to get
drunk and thrown out of the stadium. It is important to remember when we talk
about these things to remember we are talking about a small percentage of the
fan base. Keep things in perspective people. When BYU fans stormed the field
after saturday's victory, I thought it was a little much. Utah is not that
good and neither is BYU. It was a sloppy game marred by penaltys on both sides.
BYU will have a diffecult time beating anybody realy good in a bowl game and
the way Utah looked Saturday, they will too. I have been blogging all year
long saying the same things, "Grow up People" This is just a game.
what was said, was wrong, but what happend last year was also wrong? Iblame the
coaching staff on both teams for not putting there players on a suspension.also
the fans should be more of a sportsman than the way they acted?If this ever
happens again the police should lock up the people responsable, and bare them
from ever attending any game,. EVER. in the state of utah.
Max, there are plenty of us out there that feel as you do, you just happen to
say it out loud. I know you regret some of what you said but I would venture to
say we ALL have lost our temper and said something that may not have been
completely accurate. If we argue that then we are not being honest. Don't let
the man get you down. Go Max, go BYU and zip it media and ute fans.
move on sports writers...there is hockey, basketballl and volleyball and high
school sports...let give them some press and get out of your offices..
We actually are practicing what Christ taught everyone to do: judge not, love,
I thought he put it well. Most (not all) ute fans are classless. They are
jealous of byu because byu is a better school in both academics and athletics.
The students from byu go on to do much greater things on a whole than the u of u
in both as working and athletic professionals. Amy, I'm sorry but the correct
response here should have been. "Max Hall had the guts to tell the media how it
is without this politically correct garbage." If someone is classless,
sometimes the best thing is for them to know it.Amy, youre just
postponing the painful realization that the utes are classless. The first step
to change is admitting. Good luck amy, and thank you max hall. Not a huge max
hall fan, but his stock rose with that comment.
I have to admit, for a long time, I felt the same way that Max Hall did.
However, in the years that I left Zoobieland and have expanded my horizons, I
realize how ineffective such feelings truly were. I often said things about the
U that were in frustration, anger, and what I felt was "righteous" indignation.
Now, I see it was ignorance and intolerance guiding my views. I can't say as I
will ever wear the red and white of my former nemesis. I will say that I do
regret some of my attitudes and actions while representing the Blue and White.
It is nice to not feel bad about cheering for the U 9 or 10 times a
year. Of course I only cheer for them when they aren't playing the Y or a
school that would hurt the Y by the U's winning. However, I can honestly say
that being removed from the atmosphere for 15+ years significantly impacted my
perspective. Max will grow up, mature, and look back with a bit of remorse like
I do. However, I am glad to hear that he has a strong spirit.
I was less angry a year after my divorce than the little guy seems to be after
this incident. Tip to all college quarterbacks: don't read Internet
From Today's Press: University of Utah athletic department
officials, including head football coach Kyle Whittingham, have declined to
respond to BYU quarterback Max Hall's post game tirade on Saturday. Sports
information director Liz Abel said it was a BYU institutional matter. She also
said Whittingham has declined to comment on reports that his wife, Jamie,
suffered a cut lip in a fan-related incident after the game.
Excellent article by Amy Donaldson, and extra points for the Pembleton quote.
The snarky coments on this article make Amy’s point for her. People
aren’t talking about Hall’s game winning pass, they’re talking
about his post game rant. Unfortunately, that’s what he’ll be
remembered for. Besides, some of the best Max Hall jokes I heard last year came
from BYU fans.
Move on... There is nothing to see here... Move along... these are not the
droids you are looking for...GO COUGARS... SCOREBOARD
Boy, you people in Utah are mean and vicious. It's a football game for Pete's
sake! Just another reason I am glad I live in Idaho.
Funny how the all time winningest quarterback at BYU demonstrates that he may be
the biggest loser to ever don a BYU uniform. What a pathetic individual.
Great job Amy.Max Hall and Lenny Gomes. What a great couple they
make. Coaches McBride and Edwards helped make this a fun rivalry
without all the hate. Way to help ruin that legacy.I know it's
redundant but Tim Tebow represents us better then you max. Also,
way to steal the spotlight from all your teammates. I haven't read anything
good about them since you opened your mouth.It's funny that you are
lecturing anyone about CLASS!Let's see if BYU can represent the
Conference in a Bowl game better than this.
He didn't say he hated everything, he said he hated everything about their
program and university. This was not a verbal release of his pent up
depression. It's convenient how you cut that quote up to your liking. Real
It is sad to me that so many BYU fans think that this behavior only takes place
at RES. Wake up people- I have had both garbage and soda thrown on me more than
once down in Provo. I have also heard more profanity directed at me there from
BYU fans than in any other arena in the country, and I've been to a lot of them.
The biggest difference here is that Max Hall represents not only the football
team, but also represents BYU and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. As such, he IS held to a higher standard and should be. The apology he
issues was contrived and political; I seriously doubt he has any actual remorse
for his comments. Both sides need to stop this type of behavior, but please
don't delude yourselves into thinking it only happens in Salt Lake.
Excellent article, Amy. Max Hall is a very good football player, but
unfortunately he has some work to do before he can be considered a good person.
I feel sorry for him.
Any Y fan that wasn't absolutely appalled by Max Hall's comments needs to check
themselves. He simply sunk to the depths of classlessness himself. I for one (a
lifelong Y fan) am extremely disappointed that our players (yeah, I'm talking
to you too, Austin Collie) can't just win gracefully and give us fans a chance
to enjoy a win instead of being disgraced by stupid comments and/or being forced
to defend their stupidity (which, obviously, I refuse to do, but am seeing a lot
of here). Comments like Max Hall and Austin Collie are just making it harder to
be a Y fan.
Great article, Amy.It is true that a day of reflection and coming
down from the high of winning a hard fought game brought in a more precise
explanation from Hall, a great QB and one I have admired for a few years now.
Max, 2 years ago COUGAR FANS through garbage on my sister-in-law at LES when her
husband went out to get refreshments. No cougar fan around her said anything or
defended her....that is not a great representation of BYU and being as believer
Typical media - you cry for this stuff, then someone says something then you
blast the guy. You don't know so buzz off.
You said, "Max Hall won. It wasn't the perfect game for either team, but it was
important for them in many ways. And he was blessed with a win."He
"was blessed with a win"? Did Austin Collie help you write this?
It is very difficult to forgive someone who does harm to a member of your
family. I agree it is the best thing to do but it is still very difficult.
I've been searching the archives and can't find your article that similarly
condemns former utah player Morgan Scalley when he said to the press surrounded
by his teammates all dressed in football attire that he hated BYU, hated
everything about them, and had hated them from birth. Really, hated them from
birth? What, did the hosptial issue him diapers with BYU's logo on the inside?
(Hospital staff: Oh, we can tell this newborn HATES BYU. Here, use these
diapers). Anyway, I haven't been able to find your article
condemning his little hate speech but I'm sure it's there somewhere. Please
reprint it for us? Thanks.
Where is Jordan Wynn's apology for blowing a tremendous defensive effort with
terrible QB play? Or Whittinghams apology for benching Cain and running Louks
out of town...while we watch Wynn deliver 54% completion % in the 5 games he
played....two of which were against New Mexico and SDSU.
If things continue to escalate someone is going to get hurt. I think both
schools should look at not playing each other until the players and fans can
start behaving like civilized human beings. It's both sides that have the
problem. I love football and I think this is a disgrace.
Abraham Lincoln was never a slave yet he had compassion and helped abolish
slavery. Amy not putting on pads does not mean she can't understand a person's
mental state. This is what they call psychology.
WOW! How pathetic! Pathetic comments by Max; pathetic article; pathetic
comments from fans. The so-called rivalry really makes me sick and is heading
out of control.Too bad these schools aren't in seperate conferences.
Taking a year or two off from playing each other might make us re-think things a
BYU is a church school with a high moral and ethical code of conduct. Max Hall
represents it. Some guy put out a "Men on a Mission" calendar, and BYU revoked
his degree, presumably because the institution was embarrassed at his behavior.
As a devout LDS member, I am much more embarrassed by Max Hall's behavior. He
spewed hatred, then issued a (no doubt forced) apology that sounded like a
rationalization. The University of Utah is a secular school that happens to have
strong LDS representation, but it does not claim to represent the church. In
reality, there are spiritual giants at both schools, and spiritual midgets at
both schools. From what I have read in the DN, many Utahns believe that all is
fair in ... war, and football is war. I appreciate the author of this article.
She is right on, though the sexists here refuse to see that. Football is not
war; it's a game -- just a game. How many times in the Book of Mormon does
contention precede disaster? Outside of "contending" on the field of play
(play!) there is no place for contention -- period.
Oh how EASY it is to set back and judge Max Hall and condemn him for his
comments and attitude. However put your self in his position a year ago and
things start to become a bit blurry and confused. Your family get assaulted. Yes
your wife, your parents etc... have to endure criminal assault that should have
resulted in a criminal investigation and charges filed but... nothing happens.
Yes it was all just washed away in favor of this "stupid" rivalry that the media
"LOVES" to bask in. I say this ... this rivalry is NOT a rivalry at all but has
crossed the line into a week long HATE FEST and it is UGLY. The media loves it
and they do everything they can to capture any sound bite possible to stir up
the HATE into a roaring inferno. Then comes the fall out and now the media
decides they are the responsible ones now that get to remind Max to tone it down
and act in a civil manner. HA!!!! What a bunch of hypocrisy!!! Perhaps it would
do the media good to do some self examination FIRST before judging MAX.
And then there were the critics. Apparently [they] listened to what [he] had to
say about [them]. Get a life! I absolutely can't believe the all of the pious
sanctimony going on here. What a bunch of cry babies against a kid trying to do
his best, but all of a sudden he gets indictive criticism for beeing, oh how
Some media types have nothing better to do then blow up a story - there are
bigger and more sinificant problems that need to be dealt with. Why not go
after the real criminals. I don't Max is a threat to society - he's doing some
venting which is probably good - plus pointing out a problem in sports that
needs to be addressed. Please folks lets analyze and fix the root cause
problem - not just a symptom.
I can't really blame Max for feeling this way, I'd feel the same way if the only
remaining game in my career was a hapless bowl game.
Your bias is clear. All of your quotes are great but we are talking about a
moral issue, a matter of right and wrong. It is too bad that Max did not address
his comments better but he obviously had been hurt. The U won last year and
they had to attack BYU's quarterback,s family! Now you and Utah fans are
critical because Max expressed his feelings? I know how crude Ute fans can be
and they are rude. So are some BYU fans. Why can we not take what the man said
with grace and compassion. Some of the stupid comments I have read here prove
what Max said about Utah fans is true. I don't like your take on this episode
and think you should have done more research on the problem rather than finding
all you quotes. Does the University of Utah have the guts to issue apology
It is time to give this a rest. For what it is worth maybe the Administrative
Personel at UTAH and BYU will wake up and pronounce that Assault and Battery is
not acceptable. That fans participating in this type of behavior will be removed
from the stadium. So give Max a break and look at the problem.
Terrific column Amy. This fine player was not only mad at last year's situation
in RES, he also became temporarily insane and "mad" with his comments. I
remember being 24 and saying stupid things, too, albeit not on such a huge
stage. Hopefully, good can come from this situation and life lessons learned
about curbing our tongues in the heat of the moment.
With regard to this comment/sentiment: "Last time I checked, Max Hall wasn't a
spokesman for BYU"--sorry, buddy. That's the job you sign up for when you take
the school's money and the job of most prominent player in the biggest sport.
When you don't live up to it, it's far worse than throwing an interception that
loses a game.Those of you who are willing to "cut him some slack"
are doing a fine thing on a personal level, but let's see him do what needs to
be done: stand up in front of the media and take it back, rather than phone in
I'm quite certain Mrs. Donaldson is a Utah alumnus, so her article naturally
reflects that bias. But I sense a more absurd trend developing with the whole
Max Hall thing, namely, that those who are enraged by his irresponsible comments
are determined to "make him pay" even more than he deserves to. And I'm talking
about fans on both sides of the rivalry who want more than a sincere apology:
they want blood vengeance. I was impressed by Bronco Mendenhall's pointing
out that Max's apology was initiated and written entirely on his own, without
pressure or help to produce a "politically correct" solution. It saw it on the
news and it seemed sincere to me. But there will undoubtedly be those who think
it a sham and will continue to stir the pot and demand his head on a platter.
This is the part that troubles me - no matter what people do to correct a
mistake, it is never enough for some.I for one am in favor of doing away
with the U vs. BYU "rivalry" for this reason. I say pull the plug so that people
will finally get a real life.
Great article. I am a life-long Cougar and was very disappointed in Max's
response Saturday. I hope he reads this. Even his "apology and clarification"
did not represent well what he could learn if he read and implented what you
have written here.
Amy, you hit it right on the head with your perspective on the Hall situation.
The facts are that (1) Max did say these things for all the world to hear and
(2) BYU media services issued an apology on his behalf. The public is left to
speculate whether his apology is sincere or whether BYU (i.e. Coach Mendenhall
or other BYU top brass) mandated that an apology be made.The sad
thing is that just like former Utah coach Wayne Howard, who over 20 years ago
made the statement that he "Hated BYU" of which the media has replayed the video
clip each year before the game to characterize the intentness of the rivalry;
for the next 20 years the media will replay Max Hall's tirade each year...and
that's what Max will be remembered for. The overtime and the great pass to
George for the TD will be long forgotten. Too bad. Sad legacy for a great
“And then there were the critics. Apparently [they] listened to what [he]
had to say about [them]." What a bunch of pious, sanctimonious crybabies! The
kid does his best, but lets just torch him for being, what, human! This has
just got to stop already! Are we all so perfectly self righteous that we have to
call the kid out like this! This moral superiority hogwash is making me sick!
Before the BYU fans get all righteous about their conduct and badmouth Utah's,
we should remember that Kyle Wittingham's wife was hit in the head by a BYU fan
and his son was sucker punched by a BYU fan this last Saturday. I saw her
interview on TV when she talked about it. How do you BYU fans deal with things
like that? Do you justify it somehow or do you just look the other way and
pretend it didn't happen?
max hall will never play a down in the nfl
I don't disagree with what Amy said about anger, and the quotes used were
lessons of truth. However, I do take issue with the fall to your knees in
gratitude that these are your adversities. Does anyone have any idea what
adversities Max Hall deals with...has anyone walked in shoes...I don't think so.
He shouldn't have said what he said, it was poor taste. I won't justify it nor
will I condemn Max Hall. If you say it out loud in the press or you just think
it in your heart-pretty sure the personal damage is the same. Judging Max Hall
now, or hating him because of this really makes us just as bad as him doesn't
Max Hall should look to his coach for an example. While some don't like the way
the Coach interviews, he's a class act in his conduct on and off the field. If
Max had used Coach Mendenhall as an example, Max could have said something like
"It was a hard fought game and indicative of this great rivalry" and left it at
that. The situation would be totally different that what it is now - because of
Max's words. Max would be remembered for a great win. But now, he'll only be
remembered for calling the Kettle Blue.
Amy, it is a great article. People in the spotlight have a higher
responsibility. I think that there are many here that always justify their own
lives and mistakes by blaming others.It's called self control. Max
has had a hard time demonstrating that both on and off the field. It is his
persona. The sad thing is that he is part of a team that should be an example
of a faith and a positive way of living. He is the spokesman for the team and I
can guarantee that his views are not the same as the views of the whole team.
Whether the fans and players like it or not, they represent more
than themselves I too question the beer issue. Anyone can say that
as an excuse. Two years ago on a family trip we received tickets to the Utah BYU
game. As we were leaving the LES after a Cougar win, our family got drenched
with a drink from passing Cougar fans as they yelled obscenities just because I
was wearing a jacket that had red in it. We were cheering for the Y. We laughed
that one off.
Honestly with all that hate he is harboring it just makes sense that his story
is true. Also his family was escorted by the police after being harrassed and
humiliated so there is plenty of proof. It is ridiculous that you "dont
believe" the beer story, it is normal to hate someone who harasses your family.
Its not normal to hate anything they affiliate with, but the individual. And to
those of you who call him another BYU whiner, youre pulling a max here.. hate
the school for one player? can you say hypocrite?
"Max had a moment to praise his teammates, to thank his coaches, his family and
those fans who believed in him, even when statistical evidence didn't support
him.Instead, he used his moment to belittle players who are, in
reality, not that different from him." - From the article.Actually,
the MEDIA (i.e. your group of people) was asking him HOW HE FELT ABOUT UTAH, he
was simply answering their question. He even asked if they really wanted to here
it. It's not like he went spouting off for no reason. At other points in the
press confrence he did praise his teamates, coaches, fans, etc. People, really have you ever been upset or frustrated and then said some
things? I mean,really? I don't think this is anyone's place to judge. And I
would say the exact same thing if it was a Utah player who said this.By the way, those of you who think that only BYU fans are jumping to Max's
defense, read through ALL the comments and you will see that plenty of Utah fans
also think this is being blown WAY out of porportion.
Great article, just too bad, for Max's sake that you had to write it. I love
this rivalry between UTAH and the Y, but if it causes good people to do dumb
things, is it worth it?Let's all be glad we have great football to watch,
be proud when we win and humble when we loose. Using your status as a winning QB
to vent your anger isn't suppose to be part of life, let alone a football game.
Let's all just put this one behind us and enjoy the game for many years to come.
Especially now that both schools are playing at a level that we have never had
Did Max really issue that apology or was it forced by his leaders? We'll never
know I guess, but for sure Tom Holmoe and Bronco Mendenhall weren't too pleased
about Hall's tirade. Hopefully young Hall will learn a great lesson from this.
I'd like to hear the words come straight from Hall in an TV interview so we can
see his sincerity.
I thought it was a good article. Loved the quotes. What I would appreciate
more would be a one on one interview with Max Hall. But not now. Down the
road, after all this settles down. To get to know the real Max Hall. What
makes him tick. Why he chose BYU to transfer to. Why did he let the Utes get
under his skin, after all the "Y" won two of three under his leadership. I
would have praised the defence for keeping things close so the offence had a
chance to win the thing in O.T. Oh well, the heat of the battle. Most of us
have been there and said things we later regretted.
Thank you, Amy, for a great insightful article. It's unfortunate that this is
how Max Hall will be remembered. There's no denying his ability as an athlete,
but ones true character comes out in the heat of the moment. His apology will be
accepted, despite how poorly worded and put together it was. He's sorry that
what he said, "came across how it did". But how ELSE would it have been
interpreted?Whether or not his family was personally attacked last
year, he chose to deal with it in a very poor way. Both teams have over zealous
fans, but in the end it's the actual players who reflect their teams the most.
He chose to express his feelings in a very public way, and will now face the
consequences of his decision. This rivalry will always exist, and
people will always watch and support their teams. However, it's my personal hope
that both teams will choose to deal with their feelings in a most respectful,
more "classy" way in years to come.
Good lecture. You are so wise and all knowing. If only the rest of us could
live up to your standards. It's good to see so many self righteous people who
can stand in judgment of a young man who has experienced a lot of pain over the
past year. Max may have made a generalization in his press conference, but the
indignant and self righteous responses by Utah fans prove he wasn’t far
off on his original comments.
of Hall's family is the real story. Why aren't U fans and the University doing
something about that!? Wasn't it just last year than a drunken Ute fan punched
a pregnant woman in the face (because she was wearing BYU colors), and he then
RAN AWAY? Why aren't U fans condemning the conduct that gave rise to Hall's
comments? While I condemn the overly broad generalization of Hall's comments, I
applaud them as they apply to the trashy Ute fans who throw beer, spit, punch
pregnant women, throw snowballs at the players, etc. That conduct goes beyond
rivalry and decency.
Clearly Amy has never strapped on a helmet and tried to knock the living tar out
of someone else. I "hated" my friends playing and cheering for my rival high
school's football team for a week and a few days after the "big game" each year.
I would also have jumped in front of a truck to save any one of their lives. It's football folks! Please don't let the PC police ruin thIS last
vestige of Americana. Of course Max Hall "hates" Utah and the Utes "hate" Max
Hall. Throw a party this week with both teams and they will be whooping it up
like brothers in a matter of minutes. The problem comes when jerk
BYU fans start thinking their football team is somehow tied to God's plan, and
jerk Utah fans start thinking a football stadium is a place to act out on their
boorish religious bigotry.Amy, spend your time pontificating about
jerk fans. Lay off the student athletes. They are young, testosterone-driven men
who are playing a highly emotional and violent game, and loving every minute of
it. THEY DON'T REALLY HATE ANYONE--IT'S FOOTBALL!
Big deal. So Hall isn't perfect. Is it really worth a column to dissect that?
The best thing this author has ever written! The lesson is for all, not just
Max Hall. One has to wonder why the blinders of prejudice against right vs
wrong are put on by the people who have all the negative comments-Oh, wait,
Perhaps they are simply proving the point made by the author......Yep, I believe
An extremely well written article!!! Amy, I will search out future article you
The issue doesn't have anything to do with whether the U of U has guts. As of
right now, Max's allegations are nothing but hearsay, in a legal sense. And,
the U of U didn't have anything to do with what Max says happened to his
family. It was independently done by some very crass Utah fans. But, BYU has
just as many crass fans as witnessed by what happened to Kyle Wittingham's wife
Having quit going to the U's games some years ago due to their CLASSLESS fans I
would say that Max was justified in his speech. As far as AMY's article goes, U
grad maybe?A reality is that the U should give his family a written
apology and probably him to. Next Kyle should publicly apologize on his radio
show. And how about the U fans that were throwing all their garbage on the field
and the band playing after the game on sat and while they were trying to give
the grads their blankets???CLASSLESS still seems like the rioght word.....
Max Hall just entered the Hall of Shame! His lightweight remarks,obviously made
in the heat of anger showed him to be a self-righteous,terrible winner as well
as a poor loser.The beer incident was classless, but he should go to other
stadiums where that kind of behavior is de rigeur. BTW, he only offered a
half-apology; like half-truths they are subject to the same doubt as it relates
to their sincerity.
Amy,You really got some good darts to throw at your picture of Max
Hall. Don't take any responsibility for your fellow Ute fans
throwing things at his family.Max shouldn't have said those things
to the media. If he had feelings like that, then he should keep them to
himself.Yet, there is one thing that will truly get a man angry. That is
when his family is being taken advantage of or when they are being abused.I don't think you should go and judge anyone on this unless you were
there when his family was spit upon.You have a chance to help make this
better or worse.Which one have you chose? The wrong one...
MAX HALL HAS MADE AN APOLOGY TO THE UTES FAN AND THE UNIVERSITY, LETS MOVE ON.
WHAT WE ARE FORGETTING IS THE NOT SO GREAT GAME THAT WAS PLAYED, AND THAT THE
"U" LOST. UTE FANS CAN TAKE THEIR LOST OUT ON MAX AND THE COMMENT HE MADE, BUT
THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY LOST, UNTIL NEXT YEAR THE SCORE WILL
STILL BE BYU 27 - UTES 23.LIFE IS GOOD.
Yes, Max might have chosen his initial words more carefully. But please notice
that his "apology" is also a "clarification." According to Max, his family was
assaulted and spit upon. Anyone who's spent time around large groups of
University of Utah fans knows that many of them are verbally, and even
physically, abusive towards opposing fans -- particularly if they happen to be
from BYU. It is well past time that President Young and Coach Whittingham act
to change the atmosphere at Rice Eccles.
It has been said by many that it is time for the coaches to talk to their
respective fan bases about sportsmanship and proper behavior. I think the
coaches have already spoken--their leadership is manifested through how their
respective players behaved after the game.
Good article for reminding us what collegiate athletics should be about.
Intense competition with sportsmanship. I want to share this article with
numerous high school coaches, a few junior high coaches, little league, and pop
warner coaches as well.As for me, I love the rivalry and love to
cheer against the Utes. 10-10 over the last 20 years-it does not get more even
than that. I will refrain throwing my caffeine free diet coke on any Ute
athletic supporter. It does crack me up to remember inb 1993 when my
neighbor at BYU tackled the Ute flag bearer after the Utes first 34-31 victory.
He got his butt kicked afterward, but man-that was funny, I don't care who you
are. But as I teach my kids about sportsmanship now, I would like
them to refrain from 1-running a banner around an opponents stadium after a
victory and 2-from tackling the said banner waver. 3- I would also say win and
lose with class, but don't ever tear down a goalpost or let a victor tear down
"Just because you are a good football player, that doesn't give you the right to
act like a jerk."-Lavell Edwards
During his interview with Greg Wrubell, Bronco Mendenhall said he was happy with
Hall's handling of the situation. That's enough for me.
Clearly, Max Hall made a mistake in his comments. It was a bad mistake and
reflected a high level of pent up anger. It is, of course, easy to analyze that
from the comfort of distance and detachment. I, for one, always think and act
better two days after the passion is gone. In the heat of the moment,
immediately after a hard fought battle (and, yes, it was a battle) a young man
made a mistake. He did not act according to dispassionate reason and according
to the wisdom of the ages. He has expressed and, most likely, feels sincere
regret. Can we now forgive him and examine our own behavior?
If Kyle or Mr Hill had any CLASS they would send a public appology to Max and
his family.Max shouldn't have to apoligize for anything.The truth is
it's own defense!
OK, he shouldn't have said it, but so what??? It's a rivalry and both sides
talk smack every year. Big deal. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Is
there nothing more important happening in the world? Get over it!
First off, I've heard lots of Ute fans dispute Max's story about his family. I,
for one, believe it. It attended last year's game, and rushed the field after
it. A Ute fan ran in front of me with a cup of beer and threw it in a BYU
player's face. I don't know where he got the beer and I don't care, but I was
embarrassed by his behavior. It reflects on me as a fan. There are lots of Ute
fans who need to show a little more class.A note to J Jensen and
others, Ute fans aren't the only ones who harass visiting fans. Try attending a
game at Wyoming, UNLV, or other schools. In fact, I was invited to and attended
the BYU/New Mexico game last season (first game ever for me in LES). When fans
around me found out I was a Ute Fan, I never heard the end of it, and I was
actually cheering for THEIR TEAM! I find it totally hypocritical that BYU fans
complain about Ute fans when I've seen them act the same way.
What a great article. Makes me believe Max has a way to go to get over his
anger. He apologized but if you've wanted something for a year how does that
change so fast after you said what you said? I think it was more what the AD &
Coach Mendenhall said that got Max to apologize. I hope somewhere he truly in
his heart learns to apologize to himself and accept some responsibility for his
actions. I find it strange that he thinks all the praise is fine but criticize
him and he goes off the deep end. Too bad BYU and Coach Mendenhall didn't do
right by Max and help him to check his ego @ the door. His team, his school and
the fans could not enjoy their victory due to him and all his selfish
egotistical glory!! Bench him. Let him know what the TRUE meaning of HONOR,
SPIRIT and TRADITION stands for. If this was a second-stringer would the AD &
Coach Mendenhall do this little rug sweeping act?? Hang banners in the stadium,
spout off about your values & leadership but you proved it's meaningless,
especially when it's the golden child MAX HALL
Here is a question for all ...if your family is assaulted how would
Now if only we could get the local talk radio and other coverage outlets to quit
fanning the flames by encouraging fans to call in and trash talk. The ruder the
call, the more aggressive the opinions, the more vitriolic the tenor, the better
they seem to like it. The 'winners' get their comments played over and over. I
hear it every year, and it gets progressively worse. Sad. There is a current
notion that a game cannot be 'fun' beyond a certain level; you have to 'hate'
the 'enemy'--those were the actual words used in radio discussion about it years
ago on KFAN. It is bigger than the coaches, players, institutions and fans. It
is becoming our national psyche, fed from the ground up, cultivated in myriad
'entertainments'. You start to see the results in High Schools--sometimes
earlier than that--but it bears abundantly when it reaches intercollegiate
rivalries. And how do we collectively respond to it? With a news highlight, a
flippant 'I hate it when that happens', maybe a suspension & some moral
indignation. But the talk shows stoke it again when the next season begins, and
the rats fall in behind the pipers.
I greatly appreciated this thought provoking article. It was said tactfully and
honestly. While many may have thought what MH said, in other sporting events
and challenges, they did what he didn't, kept mum.Thank you for the
thoughts on how anger can corrupt a soul.
Amy I think you hit the nail on the head. Max's hatred had more to do about his
own shortcomings at BYU than anything else. Well spoken!Aggie Fan
Agreed. They played "I am a [classless] Utah man" every other minute in the
second half. Thankfully, the BYU band tried to shut them down by playing over
them. Why wasn't there any responsible leadership over the [classless] band!?
It goes both ways was Max Hall right by saying it?? probably not but it goes
both ways both teams say things along those lines.
It would be perfectly acceptable for Max to unload on the Utes if he was elite
quarterback, and if the Y would have laid a 50-10 beat down on the U. Winning on
the Y’s home turf and barley squeaking out a win is an embarrassment to a
U team that is in the rebuilding process.
Great article, Amy. Needed to be said. The boys who think it's no big deal
forget that the world itself was created by words. This rivalry is heated and
overheated by words. Words matter, more than sports, in fact (shock!). That's
why, folks, we have sportsmanship rules, right? Words literally can take over
the game.So, Amy, ignore the bloggers who are offended by your
taking Max's mistake seriously. He will regret his words all his life. They
will be brought up and remembered more than his very good record--he is not one
of the few greats, but definitely among the better QB's the Y has had. I have
consistently supported him, as I know he has tried to control his loose tongue,
and done so with fairly good success. But after this I feel a bit relieved to
look ahead to the QB's coming down the pipeline. It's time to focus on
something other than Utah and cool this rivalry a bit. Thanks again
I've seen college players suspended for less; please suspend him.
I graduated from Utah in '04, and am considering BYU's MBA program. I have been
a Cougar fan, and a Ute fan. I would condemn Matt Hall's comments if he were a
Ute QB trashing BYU. It's unsportsmanlike. The fact is that the "beer" incident
could have occurred at any game around the country, not just at Utah. Utah fans
in general are probably tame compared to those of some schools in other parts of
the country. I don't condone the actions of the particular fans who allegedly
threw beer on Max's family at RES. But fans don't have the responsibility to
represent a school as players do. I don't think Max Hall represented BYU, or
what it stands for, very well with his comments. I am a Ute fan, but with
sympathies for BYU, as I would like to see an MWC team win it all and overthrow
the BCS. I'll be cheering for TCU this season, as should any Y or U fan.
how sensitive and hypocritical Ute fans are. They turn a blind eye to their own
reprehensible behavior, but when someone calls them on it, they cry for days.
1. Anger is a secondary emotion.2. I'm so glad that none of the
stupid things I said in my 20's were broadcast on national tv.
"Hate" is a word/emotion that we try to keep out of our home; but that being
said I am really starting to wonder what the MEDIA expects to get from a
player/coach when they PRESS issues like this (in a post game interview no
less).As a fan, I wouldn't miss the "POST GAME" interviews one BIT.
These guys have had an EARFULL of trash talk all week/game and we want to stick
a microphone in their face to get a quote. WOW. Thousands of fans,
hundreds of media jumping all over these UNPAID athletes; and we have an
expectation for them to play and speak "perfectly".As fans, media,
and human beings we should GET OVER ourselves and take a hard look in the mirror
and ask what did we really expect.
I really enjoyed this article...good truths that we can all learn from...not
just BYU or Utah fans...but everyone...good principles here.
Amy you are over annalizing this. Your article was I think very criticle of one
person, and not of the whole picture. People do bad things, and they deserve to
be called classless. Stop being so politically correct. In my opinion
political correctness is what is wrong with our country now a days.
Good and thoughtful article, Amy.Max's lack of wisdom in his
comments will haunt him for a good, long while.I'm a BYU fan and I
don't cheer for the U, but Max's comments were inappropriate, childish, and
certainly won't heal the hatred between the two schools.
I'm a Ute fan and I don't hate Max Hall. I admit that when I first heard his
comment, I took offense but this article reminded me that anger was my problem,
not BYU's or Max Hall's problem. I haven't read the apology but accept it as
sincere and don't hold a grudge. I'm not a fan of BYU but totally respect Ex
Cosmos @ 8:29. That guy seems to have a healthy perspective.
Love the article Amy. Sad to watch the vehement attacks by the supporters of
Max Hall's Hate speech.They are trying so hard to deflect Hall's
hateful and immature actions by saying he was justified in his behavior because
of "hearsay" of an event that has not been proven to have taken place over a
year ago.Seeing how Mendenhall promoted his firesides and "building
men not football players" last year as an excuse for their failure at a "quest"
it is no wonder they are upset to have the hypocrisy revealed so perfectly in
the melt down of Max's in a press conference.Some are so blinded
with their arrogance that they are even suggesting that the U of U and Coach
Kyle should apologize to Max for what he "hearsays" about U fans that "caused"
Max to say those things. I can now add "no accountability" to the behavior of
The MWC needs to suspend him for his final game for violation of the league's
sportsmanship policy. Obviously, noone else will.
Well written Amy. It's refreshing to see a little wisdom in this junior high
rivalry. Anyone who dosn't think there is beer in the U of U
stadium is in La La land. How about some serious fines?
Yes, Max Hall should not hate those who hated him first. But don't forget where
the hatred originated in all of your preaching.
I think the BYU Admin. Should address what happened to Coach Whitt's wife and
Max I accept your apology and I also apologize that any of our fans did things
to make you feel this way. Good luck in your bowl game and in life. Lets all
stop the hate qand remember this is only a game.
I like this article. In fact, I love it. I love everything about it. I love
the quotes, I love the commentary, I love everything. So, it feels good to read
your article. (Thanks, Amy - well said!)
Not having shown at any time, the types of qualities that make for good NFL
quarterbacks, Max took his last grab at fame...He lost control in the heat of
the moment...this is not new for him and has been the criticism fans and foes
alike have levied against him his entire career. His lack of emotional self
control has been the difference in games when it really mattered. I have never
believed and will never believe apologies that begin with, and are littered with
"if". He did say things intentionally and it did hurt his team and his team
mates and he knew it...so say it and leave out the "if"!
So let me get this straight Janet - What you are saying is .. it is perfectly
OK for the Utah fans to assault Max Hall's wife and mother both verbally and
physically because after all the U is a secular school and there are no
standards of expected behavior? What an absolutely WRONG and dangerous
comment!!! Max has EVERY right to defend his family just as your husband would
if you or your mother were assaulted after a BYU/Utah game. This has NOTHING to
do with the church but has EVERYTHING to do with common, human decency! Max's
apology was right on and very articulate. To stupidly suggest that because Max
is LDS and plays for an LDS school he has no right to express his outrage toward
the low-life Utah fans who assaulted his family is in and of itself and outrage.
By the way, where was the statement of apology last year from the U of U? Amy's
comments were mostly mis-guided and wrong.
Some 40 + years ago A friend and I attended at BYU/Utah game in SLC. Many Utah
fans are the same then as today. We were harassed, burned with cigarettes and
many other things. Max statements are real. When in Provo did Utah fans get
beer pored on them or have their team get all types of things thrown on them.
These so called Utah that do this things leave a very bad impression with
and not just for Max, but all who spew venom.. including many on this board
This was a great article. Max Hall already looked like an idiot this year when
he made derogatory comments about Utah State. Perhaps the BYU Administration
should not let him talk to the press if he can't think of anything positive to
Let me ask you a question - would you defend your wife and mom after they were
physically and verbally assaulted or would you say nothing? Any real "man" would
defend his family. You obviously don't qualify.
Great article Amy! It's a refresher one for all. Hall should read this to
refresh his character.
I went to the USU game versus byu in Provo. I cheered HARD for USU, but didn't
throw or do anything else....MY WIFE was pelted the entire 4 quarter
with M & M's and Skittles.....The only thing different in Provo is
the items they use in their attack!!!Great Article and RIGHT ON THE
Max Hall did not harm Utah football or its fans. What he did do is disgrace his
school's football program, and his church. Yes, there are obnoxious Utah fans.
There are equally obnoxious BYU fans. If you don't believe that you need to
look in the mirror. Why wasn't this incident about Hall's family being sprayed
with beer brought up after last year's game? That is regretable if it's true,
but what about the BYU fan who punched Coach Whit's wife and split her lip.
That is not only regrettable, but it's also assault. The hyprocricy of BYU fans
is what makes them hated around the country, not just by Utah fans. Didn't
Jesus say something about hyprocisy? Those BYU fans who agree with Hall should
turn in their temple recommends. There is nothing Christlike about hate and
hyprocisy and you are supposed to believe in Christ and practice his tenants to
get into the temple. I think the day will come when a lot of "good" LDS will
find themselves left out in the heat (if you know what I mean). That goes for
Utah fans as well.
Had a Ute football player had said what Hall said nothing would have been done
about it. Hall does have the right to express his opinion.
Brigham Young founded the U. does that mean he hates him? Gordon B Hinkly
attended the university of Utah, and the same with president Monson. From his
post game interview i see that max hall hates byu and the Mormon church. Max
hall hates me too. Go UTES
This is pretty simple - Max is right and Amy is dead wrong. Any husband and son
worth two cents would defend his wife and mom after they were assaulted. This
has NOTHING to do with football and everything to do with protecting ones
family. The ONLY shame here has to go to the low - life's who assaulted Hall's
family and the U of U for issuing NO APOLOGY afterwards.
Amy's pain a reflection of self-righteousness.
The fault dear Brutus is not in our stars but in ourselves--Julius
Caesar --Don't we all feel better now?
Those writing about Whittingham's wife and son's experience Saturday, check the
police report--it all began with Whit's son grabbing a guy's blackberry because
he was taking pictures of stunned Ute players, and throwing it in the stands.
Boring. It's football, and no one is (hopefully) looking to Max Hall to be the
example of sports as an appropriate medium to teach integrity. His comments
don't merit this type of drawn-out psychological analysis. It's just a game.
I love how everyone has become an expert on what is going on inside Max Hall's
head. Next thing you know a government research grant will be given to both
Universities to study his comments. Give me a break. He was angry, emotional
and was holding it in until prodded by the media to express his feelings. You
mean to tell me if your family had to endure the treatment that his family went
through that you wouldn't carry animosity for the school those fans represent?
I can't fault him his feelings and it was probably therapeutic to win and
release the venom. But give him a break. Did you bother analyzing his apology?
Oh no because an apology in this day and age is meaningless because all of you
critics have an issue with forgiveness as well.
"Contempt is the emotion we feel for an opponent whose arguments are too
formidable to refute."I believe UTAH may have an argument here...
Perfect examples of classlessness! Actions speak louder than words! Clean up
your act UTES!
Unfortunately Max Hall plays for a school that promotes a higher standard of
conduct with it's students and athletes. So comments that seem to contradict
this higher standard are difficult to reconcile for most of us. Ya sure other
players in sports make comments of the same but they are not held to the same
standard as Max Hall and BYU. Fair? No. Maybe the LDS church needs
to reconsider the benefits of running a full university. With the level on
institute programs offered at other fine universities in UTAH it might be time
to turn BYU into a perpetual education fund school to help educate the world and
forget about the issues inherent in running a major university. It might even
same money in the long run and it would definitely better follow the mission of
Amy's article is spot on.As deplorable as the offense to Hall's
family was last year, that is not the basis for Mr. Hall's rant.His
real pain was driven by last year's blowout and the ensuing harsh criticism and
taunting from his oponents, many BYU fans, and the media. (And the fact that
the same criticism continued after this year's blowouts.) Admittedly this is
all very tough stuff for a twenty-something to have to digest but that's the
root cause.The family incident was merely a convenient (and, yes,
deplorable) facade for the true source of the pain.Amy recognizes
and articulates that very well. BYU fans who are trying to justify his rant are
Amy - Very articulate, well written opinion! As an out-of-state BYU fan, I
enjoyed the outcome of the game and cringed at Hall's unclassy comments brought
on by unclassy actions by fans wearing both colors (and perpetuated by some
unclassy responses to this article).Pity that this kind of uproar is
not unique in any way to the BYU/Utah rivalry - the lack of civility is sad, not
unexpected, and odly amusing. Thank you all for the entertainment.
Very nice article, Amy. Max played a nice game; however, the focus is now
unfortunately on his post-game comments. I suspect Steve Young, Ty Detmer and
others had similar experiences, but chose not to go where Max went. A nice
achievement on Max's part has been compromised. I am saddened that a very good
football game was upstaged by this post-game nonsense.
Exceptional article. Thank you.
I wonder what words of wisdom and hatred would have been uttered if they had
I knew this was going to happen.
Just a thought...I hate the Lakers. I really, really hate them. Do I
want to hurt them? No. Do I want them to get injured? No. Do I dislike
everything about them? Almost (I like Gasol--don't ask me why!). Anyway, Max's
"hate speech," has been on the lips of nearly every sports fan when a longtime
sports rival is brought up. Compound that simple truth with the abuse dished out
to his family last year and the hard-fought chippy ballgame and yeah, he hates
them. But it isn't like he wants to deny them rights or ship them overseas.Was it a wise thing to say while the camera's running? Probably not, but
sports fill us with passion and sometimes that passion bubbles over. It isn't
dissmissible but easily forgivable. He apologized and probably feels
pretty stupid and I readily forgive him.P.S. Go Spurs Go! Sorry Jazz
It is too bad that this happened. I bet Max ment to use different words, but in
the heat of the moment he fell apart.If Bronco believes in integrity
and honor then he should bench Max for the bowl game.Any ways - the
Cougars visit Logan this week and it is safe to say that the Aggie fans will
continue to make fun of BYU and their "poster boy" Max.
Whether he likes it or not Max Hall represents the LDS church. His predecessors
represented BYU and our church with a lot of class. Ty Detmer was being
verbally harassed at a Wyoming game when he was benched in the third quarter
after building a huge lead. He turned around and started talking to the very
rowdy fans about hunting. By the end of the game the Wyoming guys told him
“good luck” in getting the Heisman and were Ty Detmer fans. Now that
is class.Max would be well advised to whom he is calling classless,
President Monson was presented with the “distinguished University of Utah
Fan” this year (October 31st Church News). Elder Wirthlin a former Ute
player was recognized as a lifetime Ute fan. My Mission President "Ray Price"
played for the Utes and there is not a classier guy than him.
"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it" --Conan the
Perhaps Max should have considered the wisdom of Dean Vernon Wormer, "Fat,
drunk, and stupid is no way to go through college son" when determining how
properly to respond to Ute fan
Wow... | 8:36 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009This article is awesome and truly
reflects what was going through Max Hall's mind in those heated moments after
the game. In a few years, very few people will remember what kind of QB this kid
was but no one will forget his harsh words in a moment of anger. So sad.------Really - would you care to enlighten us about some of the things
McMahon said? There were quite a few. After a few years what we remember are
the stats and the wins.
Who has time for hate in their lives? Not me. Between my medical practice,
raising my 4 children and getting ready to go to Hawaii for Christmas, I don't
have any time for hate in my life. I accept Max's apology and really enjoyed
the game. Let's move on and forget about all of this nonsense. We have a great
rivalry, let's not tarnish it.
Scoreboard cry baby Ute fans!
"Those BYU fans who agree with Hall should turn in their temple recommends."Thank for your great example of a Utah version of a "holier than thou"
attitudeYou have absolutely no credibility when it comes to lectures
on hypocrisy.Your post pefectly explains why I dont have anything to do
with the U even though I went there.
"Max Hall did not harm Utah football or its fans."I agree: Utah fans
have done that on their own.
Why do competitive Sports contests bring outthe WORST of Human
Behavior??This whole "Rivalry" secnario is really IMMATURE, and Embarrasing to "Sports" itself, the teams involved, the Nation, and the
Church!!I wonder what the Lord thinks about all this??We
CAN DO BETTER!!!
"Those writing about Whittingham's wife and son's experience Saturday, check the
police report--it all began with Whit's son grabbing a guy's blackberry because
he was taking pictures of stunned Ute players, and throwing it in the
stands."Whittingham's son should be arrested and so should his wife.
Both of their actions were criminal and they should spend time in jail.It's no wonder that Kyle Whittingham isn't saying anything about this incident
since he has probably talked to his lawyer and doesn't want his wife and son
prosecuted or their victims to press charges.This is further proof
that the entire Ute football program and their families including their children
are all classless and it starts with Whittingham whose family are clearly sore
losers who can't deal with BYU fans taking pictures.Maybe if mommy
didn't come to the defense of her criminal son but let him get beat up for
trying to destroy a persons blackberry than she wouldn't have been hit in the
altercation between her loser son and his victims.
Hahaha, the self righteous are having a field day with this one.
You would never make it in politics, you're too honest. Utah fans have been the
bottom of the barrel for many years and Max said it right.
Why do competitive sports contests bring out the WORST in Human Behavior??This whole "Rivalry" thing is so IMMATURE and Embarrasssing. It casts a
Bad Light on "Sports"itself, the teams involved, the Nation, and the
Church.I wonder that the Lord thinks about all this??We
CAN DO BETTER!!!
That was the worst sports article I've ever read. This is football not some
hippy love fest. This writer needs to stick to writing about the latest recipes
and leave the football articles to those that know sports.
Hall's comments were inappropriate and, as a BYU fan, I wish he had not uttered
them.This entire episode, however, is blown out of context by a
media that provoked the response by asking--post game--how Hall felt about the
U. What a stupid question. I cheered Utah's win over Alabama last
year and when they are not playing BYU, I like to see them win.The
rivalry, however, is out of hand. I am an out-of-state BYU season ticket holder
and last season attended my first BYU/Utah game at RES. With the
exception of the U of A, we have never been treated so poorly. I will not
attend another game at RES.To the extent fans from opposing teams
have similarly been treated poorly at LES, is an absolutely inexcusable
situation. It is a game, after all, and no one should ever be
intimidated, insulted, or otherwise treated rudely when attending an away
I was just wondering how much the comments will cost Max financially.....
Granted that Max Hall's comments were not well thought out......but let's give
him a break! He's been subjected to tons of criticism, on and off the field,
and he is, after all, a 'STUDENT ATHLETE'!Let him grow into his
notoriety, and GROW UP yourselves, those who would throw him to the wolves just
to alleviate their frustration at losing!!What would you
think/feel/say if your family had been treated the way his was, by a deliberate
act of rudeness in a deliberately rude crowd?!!!
This rivalry can be seen every Sunday night on Fox.... You know; Flanders v
This article is absolute garbage. Trying to guilt Max on his opinions and
trying to interpret his "hidden" meaning is like trying to make apple sauce from
oranges. As I read the article, it became obvious you know nothing about men
and the nature of competitive sports.Big surprise here - a BYU
football player hates the University or Utah (and vice verse). Trash talk is a
major part of this rivalry and he got plenty of it ever since last year's game.
With a big win like this to help silence the critics and redeem last year's
loss, I think he's entitled to a little trash talk himself.Get off
your bogus high horse and write something worth reading...
re: BYU Fan | 8:43 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009 //Football is just a game -
its not a Civil War.//Football is NOT a holy war! Civil
War? Think again and/or watch Thursday on ESPN
Nonesense miss donaldsen, Hall spoke what hereally felt,and if you donot agree
with it that is your bone for to pick on,not Hall, He does not have to answer to
anyone, or regret it, if you want it you cantake over the regretment rubbish.
He knows better then what your trying to make out of it. Put a cap
How does someone have the police report to whitts wife getting punched? Why
would any man punch a woman in the face and be able to get away with it in any
sense it is not right. Who cares if it was a cell phone. Max Hall should of
taken his win and be done with it he didnt need to keep going on why he hates
the u of u, who cares its his mistakes and he should live with it. I wont accept
is apology because it was ment to all utes not just some. Good luck Utes in your
bowl game wherever it is.
The bell doesn't ring until 2:50...keep teaching!!!
Am I reading the right deseret newes? THis is sure pious to one side(utah) But
it don't matter, Y is great anyway uoy look at it.
The rivalry is not fun anymore. Both sides are at fault.
Nice of Mr. Hall to speak up now that he is leaving and does not have to back it
up next year!
so you are telling me its okay to hit a woman? Do you have any respect at all?
Great article Amy.....Max Hall opens his mouth to remove all
doubt!Why he is talking like he just conquered goliath is a mystery
to me......had BYU Lost? He would be the GOAT!Hall played a better
game last year than this year.....he flat out stunk! So glad he is gone....just
wish he would take Bronco with him! Lets get back to doing what BYU does
best....winning football games and leaving it on the field.....in 10 years I am
one BYU fan who will not be appreciating/missing Hall! Good riddance....
Thanks for showing us how to exude class Maxine.Regards,The Utes
Maxipad will soon graduate as BYU's biggest loser b/c he knows not how to win.
Even if the LDS church receives my tithing their college certainly doesn't
represent my views!!!!
I WILL SAY NOTING DEROGATORY IN THIS LISTING (NO I WON'T TELL THE TRUTH AGAIN).
I JUST WANT THE READERS TO KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE TO THE STORY THAT YOU WON'T
ALLOW TO PASS THROUGH. PLEASE LET THIS ONE THROUGH SO THEY CAN KNOW. WHAT EVER
HAPPENED TO "THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE".
Defend Max. Defend Blount. Defend Michael Jordan at the Hall of Fame...I guess
sportsmanship, respect, civility are traits of the past. I lost my job because
I am Mormon, My car was vandalized because I'm a U fan. My 12 year old son was
clubbed from behind at a football game because he was wearing the wrong
color--knocked him out cold. Time to grow up.
Great Job Amy. Could not have said it any better.
You are a journalist. Please take pride in your occupation and paint an accurate
picture of what was really said. I’m a BYU fan and I felt his comments
were not appropriate, but Max Hall did not say he hates everything. He said he
hates everything about Utah. [He has since apologized for being overly broad in
that regard. Even if limited to a few, I agree with you that forgiving those few
and moving on is a much better approach. The vast majority of the athletes,
coaches and fans associated with Utah are very good people]. Unfortunately, you
took the “hates everything” line out of context and ran with it. It
became the premise for your whole article. You threw in a, “I hope it is
not true” comment but then proceeded with your article based on the
assumption it was true. No forgiveness on your part. No attempt to accurately
portray, not just what was said (you didn’t even get that right, as you
quoted only the part that supported your premise), but the intent. I would hope
you could show the level of maturity that Max Hall did by apologizing for your
re: Thanks Amy | 8:34 p.m. Nov. 29, 2009 "By the way, where did you
get your Psychology degree?"BYU.
I don't care what any of you think. Max Hall is still so righteous, so awesome
and yet, so humble.
Very judgmental article. The author certainly doesn't like Hall and has taken
the opportunity to voice her disdain of him. I think it is psychological
projection on her part. Although, as he said in his apology his displeasure
should not have been directed at the entire university, he is justified in
criticizing the fans.I will not attend another football or
basketball game at the U. I have ALWAYS had vulgar comments, obscene gestures,
bigoted remarks about my religion and even food or drink thrown at me. We even
had a guy moon us on the way out of RES on one occasion. So the U does need to
do something about the boorish behavior. It is atrocious.
Great article! It's hilarious that most human beings are embarrassed for what
Max Hall said. It's always quite funny that the die hard BYU fans feel that
they have to back him up. I loved your article, and no matter what others say,
you really do have a great perspective on the rivalry. Thanks for writing the
only uplifting thing this rivalry has seen so far.
I am sure that Max Hall did not mean what he said about Utah fans. Oh wait 99%
of the time you mean what you said but you are scared of the backlash so you put
out a nice little piece that says I am sorry for what I said eventhough you are
not sorry at all. So no I do not beleive that he is sorry and I don't think that
just because he is a senior in college that he is allowed to say that and get
away with that. I mean don't get me wrong he is allowed to say what he wants but
if you are going to call out all Utah fans that is a lot of people that did
nothing wrong but I get it. There are many a families in Utah that hate BYU and
families that hate Utah. That is just how you grow up in Utah you either Like
BYU or Utah there is no middle and you can't like both teams. For example my
family is a Utah family have been and always will be. So I hope hall has learned
his lesson but I doubt it
Did we all not hear about what happend to coach Wittingham's wife? A split lip
from a BYU fan and I think that Coach handled it like Hall should have NO
Give me a break. What a maudlin, gooshy article. There has alwyas been hatred
between the two schools. Why does this surprise people. Most of the athletes
involved would say the same things (without the cameras beeing there of course).
Instead of focusing on Max's comments why don't you address the bigger
underlying issue ? The root cause is the behavior of crass ... yes, classless
... Ute fans to opposing fans in RES and in other public places. Until Utah's
admin addresses this huge problem and/or Utah's fans start policing their own
fans, it will continue to be a problem. The University of Utah should stop
turning a blind eye to the classless actions by some of their fans. If they're
not willing to work on a solution, they are guilty by association.
To those who responded to me, it is the guilty who feel the most mistreated.
Many BYU fans are at the same classless level, but of course you can't admit it.
Like everyone else in Happy Valley, keep your blinders on and keep hating those
who don't agree with your myopic, pathetic vision. Of course your ilk always has
to blame someone else because you can't face your own misdeeds. Maybe the
school down south should change its name to AHU (Always Hypocritical U-know).
Am I getting censored here? My comment is not here, hopefully someone just fell
asleep at the button, but I would appreciate my comments being let through.
HYPOCRISY? How is this article or the the complaining individuals any different
than Max? They make offensive and critical remarks because they were offended
or insulted by Max's actions. First cast out the beam of thine own eye . . .
Yes, your oversensitivity is debilitating.
i don't believe the story about the beer. not at all, not one bit. i won't
believe that the "beer incident" happened until i see proof. what happened was
max hall realized he said something stupid, so he used his next comment to back
pedal and to try to justify the "i hate utah" words. too bad that maxi isn't
good enough to be remembered as a great QB, so now all he will be remembered for
is that he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
A word to the wise: If you are a wife or a mother of a BYU player just stay
away from RE stadium. That's right just don't go!! If you can't tolerate a
little personally directed profanity against you and your family along with
being doused with some harmless beer then by all means stay home. I mean good
grief what do you expect? After all you are playing at the U!!!!!
If you don't have the fire in your gut you shouldn't be competing in any sport,
especially football. Stop the critical analysis of Max, he is an excellent
competitor. My experience while at the U of Utah saw rampant critism of BYU
that was sometimes demeaning, but mostly fun and motivating. Especially, when
the U held BYU for 4 downs on the 1 yard line. Now, while at BYU someones
opinion is considered bad taste and horribly, career ending. Get off the
righteous wagon and face the reality of life! Whenever you achieve beyond the
ordinary, recieve awards, or accomplish greatness, there will always be those
who want to bring you down to their mediocrity, when in reality they should be
Poor guy thought his family was mistreated after last year's game, just think of
what the future holds. The dude will go down as the most disrespected zoobie
ever. Anyone down for a road trip to Arizona?
what in the wide world of sports is self-betrayal and what does that have to do
with football? Perhaps Amy is writing a paper for her grad degree in psychology?
Self-betrayal sounds like the title of some juicy romance novel. Pretty funny
stuff. GO MAX!!!!!
I was at the 2008 game in RES and I saw Hall's family, cause I was walking out
behind them, get assaulted. In fact, I saw two incidents of abuse (and heard
probably a dozen abusive insults) from people wearing Utah gear directed towards
a small group of people wearing BYU gear. The insults were laced with the 'f'
word and were ridiculing the LDS Church, temples and Joseph Smith.
And Amy your licensed to practice therapy where???? Pain, self betrayal, etc.
etc.... Stop with the psychobabble. He's a young, testosterone driven athlete
(see NFL) who said a dumb thing in the heat of the moment. Probably REALLY
dislikes the UofU. So what, I'm a Husker fan and back in the day, I HATED OU.
It's a bit immature, even childish, but it's the human thing to dislike your
opponent and even more human to say stupid things from time to time. Please
stick to whatever it is you do and leave the therapy to the experts!
Great article. Totally agree. Max has apologized (although it could have been
a little more contrite). So lets move on. People can make mistakes in things
they say, and "to forgive is divine". I'm sure that the haters won't want to
let this one go though. We give the haters too much of the publicity, in my
opinion.As a Ute fan, I must say that I'm ashamed of how some U fans
behave. Your coaching staffs, teams, and student body are heavily LDS (as is
the univesity president). You insult them when you pour beer on, verbally
abuse, and mock the religion of LDS visitors. No matter how much you want this
rivalry to define your hatred of Mormons--it makes no sense. So clean up your
act!As a BYU fan, I'm ashamed that some of the Y fans behave
stupidly too. You should know better than to assume that U fans are all
represented by the actions of a few. You should know better than to hate other
people because of what team they associate with, or even to hate those who
spitefully abuse you. Try living up to your own ideals!
Thanks for a great article.
This is one of the best articles I've read on the subject. Very informative and
summarized my feelings very well. This was a very unfortunate incident after a
wonderfully entertaining game.
This author should be ashamed. She misquotes, omits, distorts, infers, presumes,
judges, and condemns. The condescending pretense is disgusting and
depressing.And she never seriously addresses the source of Hall's
antipathy. "Perceived enemies" she calls them. Insulting. What about his mother
and wife and family. In her compassion and wisdom, she fails to mention them. Oh
wait, she called their abuse an "unpleasant experience." Incredible.Max hates those who physically and verbally abused his family, he hates those
who allowed it to happen. Good for him.Thanks Max, for defending
your family and religion from the modern-day mob.And for beating the
Utes...again. 2-1. Good luck in the bowl game!!!
I was a season ticket holder at the U until I was transferred out of state.
While I have seen some less than good behavior from some isolated fans, I never
saw it to the degree that byu fans claim. For some reason it seems that every
byu fan has a friend or family member that was abused at RES. Knowing how
people exaggerate as well as repeat another person's story as their own, I don't
believe the stories. Also having grown up in Utah and visiting Provo as well as
dating some byu students, I can say from first hand experience, that byu has
it's own dirty laundry. Note to byu fans, as soon as you can
completely clean up your fans and double standard living students, feel free to
say all you want about the U. Until then stop being hypocrites. Btw, the U does
not represent The Church, so no need to respond about U fan hierocracy.
hypocrisy not hierocracy
Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole Real Salt Lake... Come on guys, remember last week when BYU
fans and Ute fans celebrated in the arms of each other as RSL won the
championship? Leave behind the ugly American step sister with its backbiting
and hatred and join in the love of the beautiful game! Futbol!
For all you morons (and I doubt now that the DesNews posting police will post my
comment but I'll say it anyway), let me say that again, the moronic, utter
buffoons ripping BYU's Max Hall to shreds, allow me the opportunity to say that
your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven!The guy had been harassed,
ridiculed, verbally abused and generally treated like garbage by both Utah AND
(fair-weather) BYU "fans" alike and he doesn’t say ANYTHING about it in
public for one whole year and then in the heat of the moment, after an emotional
win, he says less than, what?, 50 words saying he "hates" Utah and everything
about them, with NOT ONE SINGLE WORD BEING IN AND OF ITSELF, CRUDE OR VULGAR,
and you guys proceed to rip him to shreds again with ABSOLUTELY Z-E-R-O SERIOUS
CRITICISM OF THE IDIOTS WHO TREATED HIM LIKE GARBAGE.You have ALL
made mistakes, and MANY of them MORE serious than a few minor words slipping,
and you are in NO position to criticize Max.WHAT A P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C
LEVEL OF CHARACTER AND MORALITY YOU ALL POSSESS!Dan Maloy
Rivalry is great but it unfortunatly brings out strong emotions as all of the
forgoing comments display. I am sure that Max Hall is not the only cougar player
who have strong feelings. Or many or most of the Utah players. Youth have strong
emotions and exhibt them readily. Maturity will temper them on both sides.
I think this type of article is valuable in that each one of us have the
opportunity to read it and ask ourselves how does this apply to me. Sure, give
the kid a break, he made a mistake but shouldn't we and Max learn something from
this situation about guarding our thoughts and allowing anger and frustration to
consume us. Be careful not to excuse the lesson in your zeal to excuse the
behaviour. Otherwise neither of you will be better off tomorrow.
Why the Utah LDS fans are so up in arms ! Being a cougar fan and experincing
myself a game at RE STAD. How can you sit back and let your church be so
ridiculed ? I took 3 hours of persecution ! Plus the ride home. Not one UTE fan
came to my defense. Please dont deny its a hostile environment ! Are you ashamed
of your religion ? I can handle hecheling. BUT no one should have to endure this
! MAYBE you should start asking your own fans to cool it ! MAX was wrong in
what he said, but I totally understand his feelings !
all ye who are sinless.. let him cast the first stone.
Thank goodness it's over, now the irrelevant Maxi Hall can just go away.
Arrogant, untalented, Max can fade into oblivion. By the way Max, Kyle
Whittingham's wife and daughter were attacked by BYU fans at the game. Guess
that means your fans have no class and coach Whit should hate everything about
your program. Except he has something you don't class.
In a press conference more than an H-O-U-R after the game is not "the heat of
the moment."M-A-X cemented his legacy that is for S-U-R-E. He is a
J-O-C-K in every stereotypic sense of the word.And, by-the-way, You
don't need (fair-weather) in parenthesis...just say byu fans and we'll all
Why can't we all just get along? Lets put this silly game behind us and together
recognize a true champion, Donny Osmond, winner of Dancing with the Stars. Did
Donny whine about the poor treatment Marie received the year before,no! He
sucked it up and went out and danced his way into history.
Based on most Ute fan comments above, I would have to say Max was wrong, the Ute
fans are not only classless but also whiners and cry babies.Most Ute
fan comments can be summarized as: I REALLY care what Max thinks and says about
Utah and their fans and he said something mean that I didn't like so he should
be punished, reprimanded, sidelined, etc. Wah, Wah, Wah.You lost
this year so get over it and move on.
In the past the two teams were generally unevenly matched when they played. Now
we have two good coaches that will have good teams and the games will often
count for more than just bragging rights. Trash talk doesn't bother me
especially but physical acts such as punching, shoving, throwing drinks, etc.
has got to STOP. I believe both schools need to get a handle on it
immediately otherwise it will get way out of hand and a wonderful rivalry will
An excellent and timely sermon.
This all could be a great lead in for a bowl game rematch!
For adding fuel to the fire. The media in general is evil, sometime classless
infact below classless.
What a great article, I love you on X96 Amy! This is a well written
article, with wonderful voice. This is real journalism to me!
Wow!! I'm amazed at the readers who are belittling this excellent article. They
must be part of the problem. It's too bad that sportsmanship has
sunk to such a low level that some fans can't even recognize the truth when they
see it. Rivalries don't give anyone license to forget their principles. Sports
isn't immune from human decency.
Excellent, you said exactly what I was feeling about this incident. Max Hall
didn't say those things in the "heat of the moment" as some have suggested. They
had been brewing inside of him for a full year, and he meant every word he said.
I think Max will learn from this and become better as a result. We
all falter at times, and therefore need to give Max a break as well.
The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner. Nevertheless, the
Rivalry is stronger than ever - just too bad Max couldn't be a gracious victor.
What an AWESOME article. All his comments did, was prove how immature and
unprofessional Max Hall is. He is obviously not ready for the Pros, as I have
NEVER heard a QB after WINNING a game say they hate everything about the
opposing team. Just goes to show little Max has much more to learn. Maybe he
should stay in college a little longer.
re: Futbol | 6:01 p.m. Nov. 30, 2009 Bad example. Soccer is filled
w/ hooligans (in the stands) & drama queens (on the field).Comparing
Soccer to Football is like comparing a Hurricane to a rainstorm.
Utah is the only place this article would ever get published in a newspaper.
Max tells the truth. Many Utah fans are classless. I have actually met some
who have real class, but been exposed to many more who have none. I have tried
to document some of my experiences on this site but have not been allowed, but I
have had experiences far worse than his. I'm glad someone had the nerve to tell
the truth. It was refreshing to find someone who dared to NOT be politically
Amy, I'm afraid that when you say, "I don't know Max Hall" then proceed to
diagnose Max's "self-portrayal", as though its fact, you discredit your entire
claim. I love, by the way, how you reduced Max's experience last year at RES to
just; beer being thrown on his family. As a journalist, you should know that
other reports indicate that the beer incident was a small fraction of what
happened to his family that night. I think Max should have turned the other
cheek but I'm not going to crucify him for what he said. I'm also not going to
give him a psychological evaluation. I wonder why when Scalley in 2004 said, "I
hate those pricks with a passion, I have ever since I was born," isn't
scrutinized. First of all if we take everything people say literally we should
really get Scalley tested, after all he remembers his hateful feelings for the
Cougars from day one of his existance. Everyone needs to take responsibility for
their behavior. How come we haven't heard the University of Utah taking actions
toward preventing future incidents?
You rock!!! you get it, ignore the ignorants who critizize your article, they
don't get it, never will. Just because you are a woman does not mean you don't
know football. Keep writing. I love it as did many others. Loved the quotes!!!
"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a
confession of character" Ralph Waldo Emerson." When we judge or critizize
another person it says nothing about that person; it merely says something about
our own need to be critical" Anon
quotes were good: Article was dumb and unnecessary.
As a former cougar player, I was saddened, disappointed, and embarrassed by Max
Hall's comments. Coach Edwards always told us that football is a great teacher
of life's lessons. When standing on the victor's podium, a true champion should
show respect for his opponent and act like he's been there before.
He had a moment of weakness where his troubles surfaced. Getting screamed at on
a freeway is a long way from having those you love being the target of vile
language and thoughts and vocalizations.Max, the human and not the
football player, will learn from this. Many of us can as well but these comments
make me think many are determined not to.
Excellent article, very incitful. However, I can see some people just don't get
it. This really affects all of us if we let anger get the best of us, and that
applies to all of us a sometime. Most of the time anger is a reaction to
something someone else does and that means we let someone else control our
actions. It never makes you feel better, usually worse. It destroys
friendships, peace in our homes, our reputation and so on. I guess some don't
care about the reputation they get or the animosity they create.
I'm all for heckling the writers, but she didn't do anything wrong. Go back to
your Y-huddle with "... Your Mom!"
Old Joe Smith and Max Hall had a lot in common: "...and while they were
persecuting me, reviling me, and speaking all manner of evil against me falsely
for so saying, I was led to say in my heart: Why persecute me for telling the
truth?" Joe and Max couldn't help but express what they felt to be the truth.
WHO knew you could get beer into Rice Eccles stadium but not water or food!
I've been to countless games there watching a family member play and, even in
the player family ticket line, I wasn't allowed to bring water in a baby bottle
for my child! But I have been to UNLV, Wyoming and some non-conference games
where alcohol is served at the stadium, and oh my goodness, even got some thrown
on us by some Wyoming fans. But you know what? I got over it! I hope Max's
family never had to sit by any of those "classless" drink consumers! I love
these post-game comments - it makes the Utah loss so much easier to take.
Collie did it for is in 2007, and now this. Great job Max!
Excellent comments on the situation and on anger. Thanks for the reminders and
encouragement. BYU '82
"Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice."– Foghorn
LeghornMax Hall made it personal (period). Dissecting and psycho
analyzing him as if he is defective is over the top.You lost. Get
over it. And look in the mirror.
CALLING everyone who is PERFECT...please STAND UP! Weird...nobody is moving.
what a joke.
Excellent article. You must be an Arbinger fan. Well done and insightful. We
can all examine our hearts and benefit!
Give Max a break. He knows he's not going pro. This is as good as it gets for
him. Let him say say what he wants, after all, we didn't walk in his shoes. I
believe the bible says people can be as angry as they want and say whatever they
want because we haven't walked in his shoes. Wait...is that right? Hmmmm.
Unfortunately us Ute fans have had to put up with some really embarrassing fan
debacles over the years. I agree that many Ute fans need to clean up their act
and remember this is just a game. The bantering and elbow rubbing is really
fun, but seriously? throwing beer on a players family, booing and jeering
visiting team fans when we are up 30+ points, throwing someone's phone onto the
field? Grow up, there is more than football in life. I know a lot of U fans and
Y fans. We have always joked around with each other and cheered for our
respective teams. Lets just keep it at that.
Wow...it sounds like you are pretty worked up about this. You call everyone
else a hypocrit but yourself, who is getting mad about what people are
saying...who have gotten mad about what Max Hall said. hehehehe. Listen, a
small sliver of Ute fans need to clean up their act, a small sliver of Y fans
need to clean up their act. It's a great rivalry, lets not turn it into some
life or death game
The media got just what they wanted -- a story to drag on and on. Who ever
named BYU vs Utah a "Holy War" anyway? PK -- of the radio show -- admits he
"egged" Max Hall on in the interview. The media, long ago, carefully crafted
this so-called "hatred" between the two schools and have carefully nurtured and
cultivated the hatred until it has excalated to all this nonsense. By
the way ... to the person above who doesn't believe the beer throwing ...
seriously? Have you ever attended a game at an opposing teams stadium in this
conference? Wyoming fans throw fruit and poor beer on the basketball players in
"their" place. It all needs to be stopped. It's a GAME. It's not a
war. It should never be made so personal against a player or their family. It
should all be determined on the field of play. Let the anger, hatred, and abuse
go and enjoy the sport.
This football game seems to be fueling alot of hate on both sides and at some
point you have to ask if it is really worth it. The Y and U are good schools
with good degree programs full of LDS and non LDS kids that seem to get along
just fine. So what gives? Something has to give otherwise next year you might
have an out right brawl in the parking lot with injuries or worse. Responsible
coaches , athletic directors and even school presidents had been take hold of
this thing before something really bad happens that everyone will regret.
Mighty high price to pay , win the game lose your character and respect, No
draft, no respect won the game , lost the war. Good work Max , just the kind of
person we knew you were, strong arm week, puny person.
I have wasted far too much time on this article. None of the comments make an
ounce of difference. The hatred and animosity will continue and BYU fans will
continue to be accused of being "holier than thou" when in truth all they would
like it to interact with others who are somewhat civil. Let's all get back to
doing something constructive. You have had your great diversion so you didn't
have to dwell on the loss.
Re: HailstormTypical personal insult from a truly "puny person". You are
just the kind of "fan" that provoked his justified anger.
Max, cheer up! Remember, the highlight of your career was beating Utah on
Saturday, November 28th 2009.Hey…lay off Hall will
you? He was upset because he is like the only senior QB in BYU history to NOT
win the conference championship. Have fun not playing on Sundays Hall.Thanks to the writers of both comments, I fully agree!
Nephi 16:2 ...wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it
cutteth them to the very center.Fact is Halls screwed up. If what
he said wasn't supposed to be said there would be no rules against it in the MWC
In response to all you who think what Max hall did a year after the alleged
attack on his family was protecting or standing up for them get real. You don't
wait a full year then run your gums and call it defense or protection. The
bottom line is a so called "real man" would have taken care of it through proper
means and moved on. Not keep it secret for a year and let it eat at him and
fester into the rant we witnessed last Saturday. No one should be treated like
his family was supposedly treated. I do know firsthand that these acts of low
life fans are not limited to one side of the stadium. I've been verbally
assaulted, threatened etc by BYU fans at LES for cheering for USC a few years
back. I wasn't being loud or making a scene just cheering after a good play etc.
If I wasn't 6'5 285lbs they probably would have dumped their drinks on me too.
The bottom line is there are trashy fans no matter who your team is. They along
with players who have no self control embarrass us all.
While a BYU fan I appreciated this article. It reminded me of a talk given by
Presedent Thomas S. Monson this past October conference. The title of his talk
was school thy feelings. I think you hit the nail on the head
Amazing article! Way to put things into words!
This article was about anger, not so much about BYU vs. UofU (she used Hall's
story as an example of how anger affects people and situations). I thought it
was well written and wonder if many of those that commented caught onto that
JUST READ IN THE LAS VEGAS SUN WHERE VEGAS DOES NOT WANT BYU OR ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THEM. GUESS REPUTATION AND BAD SPORTSMAN LIKE CONDUCT,NEWS TRAVELS FAST.
AS THE REPUTATION OF LOSERS GROW, THE VEGAS BOWL DOES NOT LIKE BYU IN TOWN AT
ALL AND DOESN'T WANT THEM IN TOWN ! IMAGINE THAT ?
Looked in the las vegas sun...Couldn't find anything close to what
you were talking about!
i cant decifer this as a rising gospel or simply a sports article. WHoever
commented on this first very good comments! whoever wrote this of all people
since you no every philosophy in the book should no people get carried away when
there mad. 2nd thing max hal had the decency to not embarrass ute fans and say
what else happende to his family. Ute fans bought a sex doll and wrote max
hall's mom on it and sat by her during the game and pretended to have sex with
it. That i thinik is a lot more serious of an issue than a mad qb carried away
in the moment of anger so go write a report about what ute fans should REALLY be
Article unnecessary. Mrs. Donaldson, do you have all the facts of his family's
experience at RES? It doesn't sound like you do. Your story was directed towards
Max Hall but he didn't need to hear it and I'm sure he doesn't read all of the
hoopla on newspaper websites like the rest of us. He apologized period. End of
discussion. Get over it. It was a preachy article that we ought to learn in
Sunday school. Are Sunday School lessons now coming to the DesNews Sports
Section? Amy is a very good writer but this article was over the top even if
some of her insights are correct. How about those blow up dolls with his mother
and wife's name on them last year at RES?! Yeah, I guess you didn't know all the
details now, did you.
hall had lots of charcter not telling the sex doll story, so even theough he got
carried away he had the decency to not humiliate every ute fan in the world and
say he did he would have ute fans would still have something to complain about.
i think max was correct and agree ute fans get to carried away but so did he on
a lesser scale. email me if u have strong opinnion that oppose mine i want to
know what people with others think with my comments.
Great column. Max Hall managed to win the game and lose the "war."
I completely scorn the falsifying, the sanctimonious, the cheap and the shoddy.
–Ralph Thomas Walker
...not proud of Max Hall's comments. In his classless and hateful comments, he
undid what BYU tries to teach through their program. Honor? Where is the honor
in his hatred? Heat of the moment or not, those words would not have come out
of his mouth were they not in his heart. He should learn to change his attitude
so those thoughts are not even a part of him. On the other hand, I
appreciate the many classy players on the team who played competitively, to win,
but who still showed respect to the other players. THAT is what I think the BYU
goal should be.
I don't know why I waste my time reading these articles. I am contributing to
the ridiculous charade this whole thing has become.The entire experience
can be summed up as follows:In the heat of competition, a competitive and
good individual made some unchecked comments. That's it. Let it go. It was
not that big of a deal, and certainly does not deserve a discussion on ethics
and ideology. The somber tone this article assumes would seem to suggest
that Hall were guilty of unthinkable hate crimes.
Come on is this really earth shattering news that a player admitted he hates his
rival? especially given the fact that his family has been continually assaulted
by the classless ute fans. Okay so maybe he shouldn't of called out the entire
university, but he has apoligized for that. So why the need to write a garbage
article about it just to get your ratings up? Fact is atleast 90 percent of the
players on both sides of the rivary probably feel the same way as Max does, they
just aren't willing to come out and say it. So get over it already and stop
making this out to be bigger then it really is!
Sad that a victory can be so empty. That one person can minimize a successful
season and game to a self centered comment is dissapointing in the least. This
one will be remembered not as an overtime victory, but the Max Hall shoots his
mouth off game. The sour grapes game. The one that got away game. The chance
to put frosting on the cake game, but ended up with mud on his face. The mud
can be washed off, but will the words be chizzeled in the wall of shame at LES
stadium forever? Max had the hammer and the chizzel in his hand and
immortalized his name in UTAH/byu history. Can he ever cover up the shame that
he worked so hard to put up on the wall?
As a BSU fan I have seen first hand what the Ute fans are all about. When I went
to the game at RES in 06 I had to deal with the annoying ute fans. They were
very rude and obnoxious to me and my family they even said horrible things
towards my 2 year old son that was wearing a Bronco jersey. That is until they
all left the stadium by halftime because the Broncos were blowing them away.Truth is ive been to many different stadiums around the country and have
dealt with many different fans and I have to say by far that Yewte fans are the
most annoying, rude fans I have ever been around in my life. Utah does deserve
to loose every game they play no matter the oppenet.
Enough. It doesn't matter anymore. Stuff your pithy quotes self-aggrandizing
moral lessons back up your sleeves and move on. Here's a quote for
you:"The wise speak only of what they know...A witless worm have you
become. Therefore be silent, and keep our forked tongue behind your teeth."
The D News pumps this all up by using inflamatory terms such as "holy war " and
wont let it go when a kid (who was legitmaely wronged) apologizes (for an
overstatement) - then the a writer has the gall to lecture us on tolerance and
confronting hate (while other D News writers continue to keep it alive).I get the picture.Did you sell another paper?
Your article is beautifully written, but out of context. In watching the
interview I did not feel the "hatred" you are describing. I saw a young man who
still carried feelings of resentment for what had happened to this mother and
family and who used a poor choice of words, and a degree of immaturity, in
describing that feeling in the setting presented. If your mother is verbally and
emotionally attacked in an obscene manner, you are not going to like that
person, nor will you respect them, or the institution that, in your mind,
seemingly freely allows that kind type of expression. Unfortunately, our
“communication society” has become a laboratory of analysis
exacerbating unguarded natural expressions into the oblivion nonsense that
easily becomes overbearing.
Thank you as well, I have had the same experience!! I have also been to a lot of
BYU games and sat with all kinds of fans from other teams but the worst
experience I have EVER had at a football game was a BYU/Utah game and being
threatened by their fans.
Stained forever | 10:30 p.m. Dec. 1, 2009 "The mud can be washed off, but
will the words be chizzeled in the wall of shame at LES stadium forever? Max had
the hammer and the chizzel in his hand and immortalized his name in UTAH/byu
history. Can he ever cover up the shame that he worked so hard to put up on the
wall? "Wow can you possibly be any more melodramatic? I suspect Max's comments will only be remembered when, once again, U
fans at RES prove him correct in his evaluation.
"Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice."—
Foghorn LeghornThanks That was absolutley the best/funniest
thing to come out of this whole melodrama
I am glad that Max Hall stood up for himself. I didn't like the context, but the
fact that Max was not afraid to show his true emotions brings out the human
element of sports. People need to realize that these athletes are not machines
but are humans beings with family, feelings, emotions, and pride. Karl Malone
was another person who I admired for speaking his mind, even if I did not agree
with him. If you are not willing to say something to someones face, then don't
say it behind their back, or on a message board. Most of all, leave their
families out of it.
Is this not the Lord's University? Did he not preach a gospel of LOVE??????
Very disappointing to hear such expressions of hate. If we are persecuted,
should we not turn the other cheek? What is even more upsetting is the F-bomb
that Max (who should be a representative of the only true University) dropped on
national television for the whole world to see. NO mistake about it. One could
definitely read his lips. Shame, shame on you Max, don't you know you "could"
be a hero to the younger people. So much for that.......
Thank you Amy. I think we can all learn from Max Hall. I believe we have all
been guilty of losing it at times. He unfortunately did it in front of the
press. Thank you for expressing the problem so eloquently.
Is it just me or does it seem a little hypocritical of Ute fans to jump all over
Hall for holding a grudge?
This article is a little OVER THE TOP. Get over it Amy
Max might not have uttered those words if he had just rembered: Did we
give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor- John Blutarski What is
best in life is to crush your enemy, drive them before you, and hear the
lamentations of their women-Conan
"Is this not the Lord's University? Did he not preach a gospel of LOVE??????
Very disappointing to hear such expressions of hate. If we are persecuted,
should we not turn the other cheek?"Oh please It is a football
game not church.At what point does turning the other cheek turn into an
masochistic excercise of self loathing. The "Jesus was crucified therfore if
everyone hates me I must be perfect" attitude of many Mormons is far more
offensive than the heartfelt anger of a young man angry over the abuse of his
family. I relate to the latter far better than I do the former. I like Max.
Get over it people! Max Hall said some stupid things in the heat of the moment
AND THEN APOLOGIZED FOR IT! This article is WAAYYY overdone! Did all you Utes
fans (you know, the ones condemning Max and teaching him about
forgiveness--which you should practice what you preach) know that ALEX SMITH, in
2004, said he "hated BYU" and then made religious references as well???!!!! GET
OVER IT PEOPLE... so some of the BYU community doesn't like the UTAH community
and vice versa--what's the big surprise?? C'mon, this is so LAME! Did any of
you watch the UCLA @ USC football game this year?? Near the end of the game
there looked to be a brawl on the field--a serious one... but I'm sure they all
just wanted to say how much they loved the other team... uh huh, right. When
Utah beat BYU in OT in Provo in '05 we had a row of Utes that were indeed
classless and even chest-bumping my family though we stood they in shock at the
loss... trust me there are classless fans on both sides!
Seriously, the heat of what moment? "The heat of the moment" refers to an angry
moment and for Max Hall, that should have been a year ago (if beer-gate can be
verified). The "moment" Max Hall was in should have been extreme satisfaction.
Let's set this up, 1. His last game against the Utes, 2. a win in overtime, 3.
at home, 4. fans storming the field cheering for him and he does what with that
situation? I think he revealed a really bad character flaw in making his
comments. You protect this house on more than just 3rd down, Max. You protect
this house by your actions on and off the field and I'm sorry but the bar is
higher for a private church run institution and it should be. Hall should focus
on the positive or he is always going to feel this way about someone or
something. That's no way to go through life. In life there is winning and there
is beating someone, one is positive, one is negative. Hopefully, Hall will
focus on his wins now that his fb days are done, but I have serious reservations