And It's about time!
I would like to know if any of the FLDS women ended up being jurors or not.
They had an article here a couple days ago saying that they would be considered
and would most likely be on the jury because its a smal community.
Thank goodness for the smart people on the jury who were able to see through the
garbage that the defense attorney was feeding them and thank goodness for a
great prosecutor who was able to make the truth known even with the restrictions
placed on him by the court. Y'all are awesome!Don't mess with
I've always believed that ones religion is his/her own choice. All religions
offer up "something" that fills a need in the life of those that choose that
particular religion. There are few, if any, FLDS that have choosen that
religion...but rather were born into it...grew up in it. The only choice they
have is if they "choose" to leave it. In...or out...of any religion, we are all
subject to the laws of the land. Here in America, it is American laws that
connot be broken without some form of punishment. The laws may be different in
other countries but nevertheless, still must be abided by. In either case...here
or somewhere else in the world...religions cannot cry "religious pursecution"
when their doctrine is contrary to the law. They can cry anything else...but not
pursecution...and in this case, the FLDS doctrine cries "damn the law". So...
just like anyone else who has broken the law, there is a price to pay.
From what the news reports have said, there were no flds on the jury. There were
17 prospective flds, 7 of them stated that they were blood related to Jessop.The jury consisted of 7 men and 5 women, with 2 women as alternates. If
the defense didn't think that they were going to get a fair trial, they could
have asked for a change of venue, which it appears they didn't.
Now that the facts have spoken, It is my hope that the FLDS, will cease the game
playing, and the playing with the hearts of people, especially, young ladies.
Marriage and family are serious stuff, not to be taken lightly, and women are
not a box of cracker jacks, to be passed around! It is time to crawl out of the
19th century folks, and get with life as it is. You have to be in the world, not
of the world! Big difference.
Don't know if it will stick. The whole prosecution is based upon a
false/fake report.They should have done it the right way, and gotten a
valid search warrant.The whole case, and future cases are corupted.Although it makes me sick what is going on, I certainly am concerned about the
legality of the raid.If the police can do it to them, they can do it to
me.There are bigger constitutional issues, which the US supreme court will
end up dealing with.My guess is that all the convictions will be
overturned due to violation of their constitutional rights. As it should
I'm not condoning Texas CPS--but how could he have had a real trial if FLDS
members were on the jury? Impartiality would have been impossible.
I'm happy they used DNA evidence. The poor girl was too young. The infamous
FLDS attorney and his rediculous stance didn't win in Texas. I hope this brings
major change in the FLDS religous ways.
Let's continue with this is Southern Utah. These abusive men need to be brought
to justice. The teenage boys can give the authorities information now that they
have been kicked out of the compound. The things that they are saying show the
same abuse is just as prevalent here.
You're not an attorney, are you. You are just someone ranting without knowing
the facts supporting the prosecutors' decision to bring the case to trial. There
were motions by the defense to exclude the evidence, but that part of the case
was ruled on and we all moved forward. Except you.
this makes the state of utah look like we are all a bunch of misfits...these
guys and others break the law on a continual basis! enough!
FLDS members have demonstrated that they have clear limits in accepting the
authority of the government --see their practice of "bleeding the beast" as an
example, as well as the "spiritual marriages" obviously so-called to dodge the
bigamy laws. It would be easy for a lawyer to argue to a judge that an FLDS
member would never be willing and able to render a fair and impartial verdict
based solely on the evidence in a case against their own. The FLDS have, by
their own practices, effectively excluded themselves from any jury, if a
prosecutor makes half an effort to challenge them for cause.
This is GOOD news! I'm glad the state of Texas is holding these men responsible
for their horrendous acts. These girls have no choice but to submit to rape, are
assigned and reassigned to different men, and are made dependent on this sick
group for their survival as they are impregnated at a young age and have no
education or means for providing for themselves and their children in a world
that they are taught to fear. Perhaps holding these men responsible will be a
first step in breaking apart this organization that is so harmful to women and
children.Utah should have done this a long time ago! They SUPPORT
the men in the group, allowing them to continue to abuse children, by buying all
the food and paying all the medical expenses of the FLDS in their state. This
group could not continue to thrive if they had to support all these children
with their own money. I hope this is a first step to freedom for
the women and children of the FLDS
May the trials and guilty verdicts continue. After Texas, I hope that the State
of Utah has the guts to prosecute for similiar crimes that are occurring in
Texas rulings hold up about as well as those from San Francisco.The inital
warrant was based upon a lie.That is why the state was ordered to return
500 children back to the compound.All evidence obtained from the poisonous
warrant is going to be excluded.I think these men(use the word losely) are
criminals who need to be put away for life.However, the police messed the
whole case up.If this raid is held up then the government can raid
religous compounds(temples) all over the country if they feel like it.As I
said it is my non-attorney opinion, that the case will be appealed the the US
supreme court and the whole thing will be thrown out.As it should be.We can not break the law and allow the police to violate basic constitutional
rights because we really want to get someone.You have to DO IT THE RIGHT
Lock him up long time. Now he will get to see what it is like to be victimized
I hope this ruling will wake up the FLDS and help them understanding it is not
for young girls to be forced into marriages--even though they claim they are
Why was Keifer Sutherland dressed in a cop's uniform leading the guy away? Was
this a movie mock-up?
First step in getting rid of a society of sex perverts, that have used religion
to justify evil acts to children and naive women.Way to go TEXAS.
You had the courage to do what Utah (Utah Constitution which bans polygamy)
couldn't or wouldn't do.Lets have a TEA Party against polygamy all
of you Constitutionalists. Show your true colors in adhering to the Utah State
Constitution. Mark Shurtlef we need you to go after these people,
now that you have some extra time. PLEASE
I hope this is the beginning of the end of these religious prisons; it would be
nice to see utah and arizona prosecute them, too.
There were no FLDS people on the jury.
There were no FLDS people on the jury. I'm sure the prosecution made
quite sure there weren't. HUGE conflict of interest there, wouldn't you say?
Now on to prosecute the rest of those men!!! Way to go, Texas!!!
I agree Catappy, I don't think that they would have been able to find an flds
who didn't know him or wasn't blood related.
Hopefully the results will be the same, Auntie Em, it's about time those girls
were set free. Slavery was abolished a long time ago.