Under state's quota system they may be gone before it's completed in 2012
Although City Creek is being developed by the LDS Church, this is not a
religious issue, it is a community safety issue. As pointed out by numerous
studies, increased alcohol use creates horrendous societal consequences. It is
outrageous that local officials are willing to impose these societal problems on
the community in order to make money. There was a time in this Country when
elected leaders would not have promoted drunkenness, sloth, and out-of-control
behavior. Our modern-day officials must follow the example of their
Those Crispy Creams are clogging your brain. Prohibition was repealed. You are
eight decades late.
I'm not a drinker (I'm LDS,in fact), but I don't see how allowing people to
enjoy drinks with their meal promotes drunkenness, sloth, or out-of-control
We need to accept that most people do drink; LDS members are a minority on this.
And most people who do drink do so reasonably; and there are laws protecting us
from those who don't. If we are to ask the rest of the world to come here and
vacation, or for new industries to relocate here, we need to accept the norm,
and not make a big deal about alcohol consumption.
I am LDS and I don't think that just because we are in majority locally, that we
should push our practices on anyone else. If people want to drink responsibly,
let them drink.
you seem really, really grouchy on this issue. A few upscale restaurants selling
what will almost certainly be overpriced beer and wine will not lead to
drunkenness, sloth and out of control behaviour. Calm down, the apocalypse is
Which predecessors are wanting to follow?? The founders of this nation drank,
Jesus even drank. He infact suposedly turned water into wine right??How about you follow the predecessors you want, and let other people follow
the predecessors they want.
In all the years I have been drinking I have never come close to drunkenness,
sloth or have been out of control. My cholesterol is lower thanks to red wine.
I do carry five more pounds then I would like. On the other hand my brother in
laws who are active LDS are 50 pounds over weight thanks to the five diet cokes
they have at dinner and the bowls of ice cream they down. On the other hand I
get grief from them for drinking wine.What is interesting is I bet
you 1.5 billion dollars that by the time City Creek opens up there will be
enough liquor licenses for any restaurant that wants to rent space. I also bet
that it will be widely supported and pass easily. Amazing what a billion dollar
investment will get you.
Saturated fat, cell phone driving, and war also create horrendous societal
consequences. It is outrageous that local officials are willing to impose these
societal problems on the community in order to make money.
I agree that tolerance is a much needed virtue... I also agree that
irresponsible alcohol consumption is detrimental to society... the question
is... how do you define "irresponsible alcohol consumption" and are the current
laws effective at preventing it and are they effective in protecting society
from the effects of it?... personally I consider any alcohol a drug and any
recreational consumption of it "irresponsible" and furthermore... the continuing
presence of alcohol related crimes and deaths demonstrates that our current laws
are not effective.
There will be another miracle and licenses will suddenly be available for
restaurants at City Creek.I predict...
Let them get hammered downtown...then they can walk over to temple square and
take in a good movie.
Will City Creek get liquor licenses?Of course they will. It just
won't happen in the 2009 legislature, give it to 2010.Do you really
think that the state of Utah would prevent the profits and taxes gained by
high-end restaurants in downtown SLC?
There are many Utahns who will NOT patronize businesses who close on Sunday,
and who will NOT patronize restaurants who don't serve alcohol.That
does't make us drunken athiests. We may belong to other religions for whom
Sunday is not the Sabbath. We may belong to a religion that does not ban
alcohol.As long as Utahns continue to consume high-caffeine Mountain
Dew, and make comments about anyone who drinks a Coca-Cola, this divide will
I am sure there will be licenses available when the development is ready. I can
understand the limiting of licenses so the whole thing does not get out of hand
but I am sure that as sensable needs arise Utah will provide a limited number of
licenses.I personally have no problems with fine resturants having the
right to serve alcohol. The usual amount consumed in these instances is not a
problem. I do have more of a problem with "bars" that serve only alcohol as
this is where it seems people tend to drink too much. I have had friends killed
by drunk drivers and this week I had a friend and neighbor seriously injured,
almost killed, by a drunk driver so I do have a problem with those that over
indulge and then drive.
I don't hate Glenn Beck. It's hard to resist the temptation of greed. At Fox
News, you create the new Rupert wants or you're fired.
I enjoy an occasional drink during dinner and have never shown "drunkenness,
sloth, and out-of-control behavior". I resent your comments. I am a well
respected businessman and just because people like to enjoy an occasional drink
does not make them a lesser person than you. I was born and raised
LDS and what drove me away from the church were members that had the same narrow
minded thoughts as you. You're not better than the rest of us - get over it...
This is a standard John Charity Springs post. It makes absolutely no difference
what an article is about - in his universe absolutely every event is a sign of
impending doom. There was always, however, a time in this country when yadda
yadda yadda. To be honest, I jump for joy whenever I see his name. His posts
are the best out there. Just kick back and enjoy the show!
John Charity Spring = Sarcastic humor??? Well, that changes everything!
John Charity Springs--I congratulate you on your post and agree whole
heartedly.John clearly stated that he doesn't believe this is a
religious issue. Why do we want more alcohol in the community?? I see no benefit
to it besides a few revenues with a lot more costs.Hmmm, Temple
Square is one of the most visited tourist attractions in the world, yet they
serve no alcohol. I think Salt Lake City can be different and still attract
visitors--probably a lot more visitors than by just becoming what everyone else
is.Get rid of our niche, and nobody will have any reason to visit
SLC, a village in the desert. Hey, people really can make it through dinner
without alcohol, and find out it's actually a lot more fun--I can have more fun
sober than I ever could under the influence of alcohol!
I find this might ironic that the LDS church will privately push for this law
and it will come to pass. If the church wants it for their investment I guess it
is ok. I think it is pretty though and the church will put themselves into a
corner with this one, but hey if it brings money into LDS Inc, what is the harm.
If homosexuality were profitable, I am sure they would be cool with that as
"Hmmm, Temple Square is one of the most visited tourist attractions in the
world,.."Huh?Taylor, you really need to get out more.
Will the Church allow tenants to be open on Sundays? The Church has absolute
control as owner and they can stipulate in their CC&R's...
Temple square one of the most visited in the world? One of the most visited in
utah and by mormons. We all know how cheap mormons are so even though they visit
they really don't add much to the economy.
Well, with a good meal, I enjoy 2 things. I love cheesecake for desert, and a
black beer. Now if you wish to create a black beer that contains no alcohol and
tastes the same, I'll order it. However, if you don't wish to do so, let me
enjoy the flavor of mine. I can ensure you that with a meal the amount of
alcohol isn't even noticeable to my abilities or personality. As a side note,
it's kinda funny how so many people in our are of the world despise big
government until the time comes to intrude in my personal life.
Nothing like the LDS Church "dancing with the devil" in order to make a buck!
Temple Square is #16 on Forbes list of most visited tourist attractions. 5
million people a year. That's more than the Grand Canyon and Independence Hall
in Philadelphia. I'm guessing there aren't 5 million Mormon tourists that visit
Well, the Grand Canyon isn't next to a Delta Hub. People with layovers do all
sorts of random, boring things.
As long as the existing laws prohibing public drunkedness and driving under the
influence of alcohol are enforced I see no problem with selling alcohol to those
who want to buy it. It isn't my choice to drink but I'd never try to keep
someone else from his or her free agency. By the way, the person
who commented that Diet Coke caused someone's obesity hasn't read the latest
research about artificial sweeteners. There has been NO evidence suggesting
that such sweeteners cause cravings for simple carbohydrates. The test subjects
from ten years ago were chosen BECAUSE they drank Diet Coke. As it turns out,
they were drinking Diet Coke primarily because they were fat and were trying to
avoid the extra calories. Those subjects subsequently ate more simple sugars
not because of the sweetener but because they, for whatever reason, were the
most likely to eat too much sugar anyway. Once the studies were controlled for
existing obesity there was no difference in intake of complex carbohydrates. It
is similar to the red wine studies. The "tea totalers" were found to avoid
alcohol BECAUSE they had pre-existing health problems. The studies are invalid.