Can we please get over Prop 8. The entire state of California voted and prop 8
won. 1% of California is LDS.I go to church every Sunday here in Utah and
not once did I get asked or hear anyone else get asked to participate in prop 8.
It was a California issue and if the members there wanted to be involved that's
their right. If the people in Utah wanted to be involved as well... that
was their right too. But the Church not once asked its members in Utah to join
in this campaign!Even the leaders who were involved ie. Whitney Clayton
are from California. It was their right to be involved.
The church will never change its stance on the issue. Unlike the world, the
church will never change its position especially on an issue like this.
Oh so we don't even know what he said, this is what someone else said that he
said. Now I understand. When I hear it from his lips, I will believe it
otherwise this is a stupid article.
Kit, You must be heterosexual and enjoy the right to marry. No, we will never
get over Prop 8 or any other legal rights for gay people. We deseverve the same
rights as you, and will continue forever with every effort to get them. We will
not go away. So can you please just get over yourself and get out of my way?
that someone said, that Reid said... Come on Deseret News did you really publish
this gossip piece?
Mr. Reid is not a Church spokesman. He has not been called and set apart to
speak on Church direction. Mr. Reid has no official role in dictating anything
to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mr. Reid needs to tread
lightly in his opinions on how the Church spends money or allocates its
considerable weight in defense of traditional social issues. Mr. Reid is simply
a member of the LDS Church much like millions of others. He should behave
accordingly and keep his comments out of the newspapers and the blogs. The LDS
Church were among the first to render aid in Katrina, Africa, Samoa, India, and
the list goes on and on. Perhaps Mr. Reid should take note.
Washington criticized the LDS Church's efforts to pass Prop 8 in CA as "a waste
of donated money to go after gay people"Excuse me? "go after" gay
people? So their effort to pass Prop 8 is their bigotry against straight
people?It is the same arrangement that if you disagree from Obama
you must be a racist.We still have a few freedoms in this country
(for now) and one of them is freedom of speech.And I think Mr.
Washington in this article is shameful in his gay rhetoric.Grow up.
It is better the Church never changes its stance on this issue. If homosexuality
is legal, then attempt to suicide should also be legal and what about abortion
and merci killings? - which of course is insanity. In my opinion, LDS is doing a
Stating, in passing, that resources "could have been better used..." is not what
constitutes criticism. What Reid needs to do is focus more on the
things that matter most to American's. Lower taxes and NO public health plan!
Do you not realize that you already have the right to be married just like the
rest of us?
Reid needs to go. He spoke at my law school and I remember thinking, "how did
that guy get to where he is at?" He was one of the most underwhelming people I
have ever met. Hopefully Nevadans get it right finally and boot him out of
To Mike:.......The mormon church changes its stance on issues all the time...its
doctrine is very very very very very very fluid. Frankly I don't care what the
church believes, doesn't believe, or practice so long as they stay out of my
house and my personal dealings. It would be good if the Church adopted the same
attitude of practicing their religion as they see fit and letting other live
their lives as they see fit.
If this is true, I think there are two implications:1) I have more
respect for Harry Reid than every before, and2) LDS Church leaders
will pressure Reid to recant or face disciplinary action in the near future.I hope he stands his ground.
Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God! May God protect and
uphold marriage as defined by the Lord himself (and as taught Judeo-Christian
scriptures for thousands of years). May all children of God diligently maintain
and strengthen the family and defend the right of children to be born within the
bonds of matrimony to a mother and father.
I do not believe this is a trivial article.The very issue hits the
interest of both sides every time this issue comes up. Obviously it is of
interest.Gossip, on the hand, that's yellow journalism such as
Hollywood who's in and whos's out, etc.But this, this affects
people's lives, particularly gays.
Gays will never be satisfied as being separate but equal. We want legal
marraige, and want it to be called that. Period.
the lds church has views on the issues surrounding all of us. just because their
views are differant than others does not justify brutal attacks on it, just the
same as brutal attacks on other points of view (gay) desirve the same
consideration. stop being lds bashers.
Your comment like many others on LDS related articles is redundant. No one goes
into your house without permission. No one has forced religion on you. You sound
like a child who doesn't get his own way. Grow up, get a life.
Let me say without reservation or purpose of evasion...mr. harry reid is
anything but sober and is veering off the edge of insanity.He has
been THE WORST SENATE MAJORITY LEADER the USA has seen and will ever see based
on the damage he has done to our international image. The warts on the frog
(terrorists) keep getting bigger and more toxic every time he speaks. It is horrifying how his comments have emboldened evil and appeased selfish
dysfunctional ignorance from the radical homosexual community who in the big
scheme of things contribute NOTHING but division, disease and hatred in our
society. Just google it and connect the dots.
Uh oh. Mr Reid stepped out of line with the juggernaut... or so it would seem.
Watch The Church destroy his career.
I'm ashamed to admit I voted for Reid in 2004, the last time he stood for
election. I won't get the chance to vote against him in 2010, since I'm no
longer a Nevada resident, but, pretty much EVERYONE I know in Nevada WILL do
so.Harry has lost all credibility with those that elected him and
has now shown crystal-clear what he values most.And, it's NOT us,
the people that elected him.
I, too, question Harry Reid's devotion to the LDS Church. He has every right to
believe as he wants to do, but it is hard to consider him to be in full
fellowship with the LDS Church doctrine when he takes positions which are
totally opposed to the teachings of the Church. I personally heard him
criticize, at a meeting of a small group of LDS Area Public Relations people,
the then President of the Quorun of the 12 who later became President of the
church. He wasn't very respectful about it, either. I wondered at the time why
he affiliated himself with the church if his views were so different and his
opinions of its leaders so disrespectful.His views have gotten even
further from the teachings of the church since then.
Soon it is possible that Harry Reid's views won't be newsworthy. He is losing
in polls to two different Republican nominees currently. I guess he has a right
to his views.
Democrat. If you have questions about him take a look at their platform and the
legislation they support. For Reid to support the homos in one of the most
sacred ordinations is beyond contempt. I think he might leave the church at
some point. Probably after he is soundly defeated in the next election.
to the 6:14 commentator, homosexuality is legal. All laws against
homosexual behavior were wiped away by Lawrence v. Texas. The issue of
Prop 8 was two fold. 1, should the government recognize same-gender marriage
and 2, was not doing so a matter of violating equal protection law. Some of the
implications of not passing Prop 8 were things that could actually happen if it
passed, it just would mean that they would have to be pushed through in drawn
out battles instead of being assumed from the start.
This guy is LDS?
Wolves in sheeps' clothing.I wonder if Mormons will be voting for
him again?His true colors are shining through.
Way to go Senator Reid! Keep on doing what you can to undermine the teachings of
those very individuals you raised your hand in support of on Oct. 3-4. Try
reading the Constitution sometime you might find it interesting. Especially the
part about freedom of expression, freedom of religion, you know, junk like that.
If you really don't think marriage is a religious issue, maybe you should try
another interesting tome; The Doctrine and Covenants.
At church every week. I don't agree with him but he certainly isn't "leaving the
church". Gimme a break.
He doesn't seem like a Mormon.
I'm glad Mr. Reid has clearly shown where he stands when it comes to the gospel.
Now I don't have to feel bad about completely opposing a fellow LDS.
Senator Reid has every right to speak as he sees fit. It is our right to
listen, accept, or reject what he says. He does not speak for the church so when
he is reported saying that the church should do this or do that - or should not
have done this or that - he invalidates himself.
Has Harry Reid ever been right on anything?This is just the Harry Reid I
Resources could have been put to better use?Now he's redistributing
church and fellow believer's financial and time resources? When you
are professed member of a faith and comment on the church you risk much when you
speak publicly. Take Nancy Pelosi needs to be more than reprimanded for her
statements on the Catholic Church and is in serious breech with her voting. Yes
it's true she should vote her views but if those views are separate she need not
remain Catholic. If you are going to be in a position of leadership and you wish
to be connected with a faith you have a greater responsiblity not to misguide
other's about the tenants of that faith.
He is entitled to his opinion. Hence the Bill of Rights, and the Articles of
Faith. I might not always like peoples opinions, but they do have a right to
Won't be surprised if even more people start opposing and persecuting the
church. Read about it in the scriptures.
Harry Reid is entitled to his opinion but I'm glad that it is in the open. I
hope the people in Nevada get the message. I sure did. I hope he gets beat by a
You go, Harry!
Thank you, Brother Reid! More and more church members are speaking out. Change
Never cared for the man's politicking ways - and don't care for what he's doing
now. He's trying to put himself into a "good" light for all the world to see,
but all I see is hypocrisy on his part.Choose, Brother Reid. Choose
So much for all those claims of wanting tolerance of their views. Most comments
here show no tolerance for Brother Reid's views.So strange how the
mention of a Gay or Lesbian person brings out such a vitriolic response on this
website.If this is how LDS members show their love, please keep it
Keep in mind that ancient Egypt had politics and practices that were abominable
to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, yet Joseph rose to second in command in that
country. Joseph's political power saved his father's family. We live
in a time where things may be getting rough for religion. Even though I don't
agree with Harry Reid on several issues, having him in a powerful position may
save us Latter Day Saints from who-knows-what else that may be coming down the
pipe in future years.
Please let me practice my religion as prescribed by the CONSTITUTION. Quit
persecuting the LDS for our beliefs. I find the GLTB agenda as the epitome of
hypocrisy and intolerance. The LDS and organized religion are the persecuted
By all means, practice your religion all you want. Just don't use your religion
to tell me I can't excercise my basic human rights.
I would never in this lifetime accept anything Harry Reid said. As Peter said,
the tongue is in a slippery place and Harry Reid has shot off his mouth any many
earlier occasions showing he has no ability to control himself.The
scriptures teach against homosexuality and if you are a believer in Jesus Christ
then you are a believer in the scritures. Therefore you cannot accept the
stance of the gays. The scriptures also teach that a "MAN: shall leave his
parents and join to a "WOMAN" and they shall be one. Period.
I believe all of us recognize the need for equal rights. The division comes when
we start to try and re-define terms such as marriage that have historically and
religiously been defined for the ages. I respect the need for the Gay/Lesbian
couple to have equal rights under the law. Therefore, I support changing Federal
Law to recognize both Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships with those same
rights. I do not support changing the definition of marriage as the union of a
same-sex couple is not marriage as defined as a union between a man and a woman.
Now as for Jeff, please come and try to move me out of the way. I look forward
to that discussion.
Harry, your 15 minutes of fame are almost over. Enjoy the last minute or two.
I'll be voting for someone else come the next election.
The Church doesn't spend time taking people down. People like Harry Reid take
themselves down. He has a largely conservative constituency and if he doesn't
represent their views they'll use their votes to remove him. How does the
church have anything to do with that? If you listen to public statements from
the Church leaders you'll notice they don't talk about politics.
I disagree with you. As a Nevada resident, I won't be voting for you.
Oh, I love it. Someone's going to get grounded.
I am LDS and believe marriage is between a man and a woman. But I also can
completely see why those opposed to Prop 8 and who support gay marriage feel it
is their right to do so and not an attack on religious institution or religious
freedoms. If we were to change the word "gay" to inter-racial, then we would
all agree with what they are saying. Gays believe just because they are born a
certain way should not prevent them from being able to enjoy the happiness of
marriage. If marriage were defined to be between a white man and white woman,
non-whites would make the same argument. So the issue really becomes whether
you feel gays are born gay or not. It's not really fair or right to say, sorry,
this is just the way it is and it has always been, so you cannot enjoy the
blessing of marriage. I may not be making any sense but I can see
why gays feel their rights are being trampled.
Mike -"The church will never change its stance on the issue". I am sure the
same was said about Blacks and Polygamy. My those revelations can come in quite
handy sometimes.Steve -"Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of
God" -- or is that "a man and a woman and a woman and a woman...." Looks like
there is some "wiggle room" here. lol
Okay, we get it. In general, as long as a member agrees with every single thing
the Church says or does, you love them.The second they disagree with
anything the Church says or does.........they are enemy number one.THAT attitude is why there are people out there calling the Church a cult.
I'm LDS, and Sen. Reid is 100% correct.
As an LDS member and Nevada resident, I applaud Brother Reid for speaking his
mind. I admire him for doing so, and will vote for him again at the next chance
I get. We need more people like him to speak their minds!
Prop 8 was a very sad thing. And it happened. All those who wish it would just
'go away' need to accept this fact and not try to avoid responsibility for
it. Religions legislated your rights in America. Next?
Woman should wear Burka's. Slavery made legal and shellfish banned.
Let's be real, everyone is entitled to they're faith, however that faith is not
based on fact. Want proof? Ok. Let's make a woman from a man's
rib. The LDS church made itself look bad by legislating a group who
has no connection with them. Your next.
John LambertThe reasons why you cite Prop 8, what "might" happen are
nothing more than fear tactics.What would happen, indeed....* churches would be sued?* Parents would have no say what the
children are taughtetc. etc. etc.All make believe.None of this was stated in the working of the Proposition. Not one.The proposition in essence only defined marriage exclusive between a man
and a woman in California. The rest of what you saw in cites as protect
marriage were only used as nothing more than campaign tactics.If we
were to believe that those things would happen, they would have already
happened, say in Massachusetts, Canada, you know the story....When
people cite other anecdotes such as "look at what has happened already in such
and such a place" the stories are taken out of context. Every single one.
Moreover, the reasons why they cite as "look what may happen" incidents took
place where, guess what - same-sex marriage was not/is not even legal to begin
with. Go figure. However, they still market the ideas, and people
The Church was (and still is) defending marriage between a man and a woman, not
"going after gay people".
This whole article is hearsay and there's nothing that proves that Reid even
made the statement. Even so, whether you agree with Prop 8 or not, that's
pretty audacious and arrogant of Reid to think that he knows more about what the
Church should do with charitable funds than the Church leaders do. His alleged
comment does not speak to gay-rights, but to Church management. He must think
he can do a better job of running a world-wide church. Stick to politics,
'Moreover, the reasons why they cite as "look what may happen" incidents took
place where, guess what - same-sex marriage was not/is not even legal to begin
with. Go figure.' Wrong again. Same-sex marriage was
very much legal in california before prop 8. Oh, and the LDS church
also succesfully campaigned in Hawaii also. California and Hawaii
are not Utah, where the LDS church is based out of. And the gay
community (on average) do not attend LDS ceremony, as the LDS church condems
these people. Or would someone like to give me an example
otherwise? So, here you have 1) Past actions by the LDS church
targeting a group not claiming to adhere to it's belief's and 2) In area's not
geographically within it's typical sphere of influence. And last 3) The LDS
church tried to legislate inter-racial marriage as well. The 'what
might happen if' arguments are very real as example after example has been given
of the LDS church going after other groups again and again who want nothing to
do with them.Regardless of who you are, you really are, next.
I don't know why anyone would be surprized at what Harry Reid just said. His
statements and views have shown that his loyalty to the Democrat Party and his
national leadership post are more important than any other loyalty in his life
including the people of Nevada.
The Church doesn't have to do anything about Dirty Harry. His mouth is doing it
all by himself. Since Reid has been the Majority Leader, he has become nothing
but a shill for the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. He used to be fairly moderate
before. I guess now he enjoys the power that comes with his job and doesn't
want to jeopardize it by saying anything that goes against the puppet master
George Soros.Dirty Harry ought to have the guts to come out and say
that he indeed said what is being attributed to him instead of the hearsay. Watch out for his swing to the right (at least in Nevada) to try to get
How ironic that Elder Oaks gave a talk on this very topic yesterday. I'll be
sure to send it to the Senator.
This is actually pretty funny coming from the senate majority leader. No other
organization in the country is worse at properly handling resources than
I hope the Nevada voters send Harry back to the Nevada desert. He is and a
disgrace to the state of Nevada and the LDS Church.
Reid is as two-faced as almost every other politician and will say whatever he
feels he has to do get ahead. As a prominent LDS his comments harm the rest of
us, but I don't expect millionaire Senate elitist Reid or porn-peddling Marriots
to ever see church rebuke, let alone discipline, for their Gadianton and
Zoramite behavior. I am the one who would be the court of love recipient if I
said so in public so I am saying it here.
Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry again!
And this voting block has carried him to victory time and time again. In fact,
his son Rory will have a very hard time in his campaign for NV Governor simply
because of his name. Harry brags about having $25 million for his campaign but
the jig is up, no longer can he come home and tell us he's "Independent, like
Nevada" and expect us to believe it. Change is coming Harry, and your at the
top of the list!!!
"Freedom of Religion Under Attack" should have been the headline for this one.
Harry Reid is a well-respected and valued member of the LDS Church. Those who
know him well would unequivocally state that he is a devoted Church member and
one seeks to advance the interests of the Church. If the article is correct, it
appears that he may have a difference of opinion on this particular issue. Of
course, that single issue is not grounds for demonization or beatification.
Politics is a nuanced business--the art of the possible. Mr. Reid has
disappointed me in at least one regard, however. After Mr. Daschle was defeated
and Mr. Reid became Majority Leader, I had hopes that his participation would
result is a more decorous tone of discussion among the parties and would, among
other things, end the partisan gridlock on judicial nominees. I was
disappointed when this did not happen. Still, the career of a public servant
ought to be measured by more than one issue. Those who spew venom (either for
or against) on this particular issue ought to seek a better grasp of both their
temper and their ability to express themselves.
'Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry
again!' Good thing not everyone is mormon then, eh? If
mormon's are less than 2% of America... And gay men/women are 10% of
the world... who is the 'majority' here? Well done Mr
Reid! Well done!
There are no coincidences.I believe Harry Reid and the LDS elders KNOW
massive amounts of donations to National Organization of Marriage and against
Maine and WA state ballot initiatives is about to be publicly revealed.When has Reid ever publicly told LDS what they shouldn't be doing?The
absurd analogy of elder Oaks to Black Civil Rights oppression, which they know
will adamantly anger EVERY Black Civil Rights leader...isn't an accident.Utah residents Mormon and non Mormon should realize the backlash after prop 8
(after the fact), will seem minor if LDS again is secretly funneling money into
additional states Human Rights issues.LGBTs and our straight allies SEE
everything you do, we knew within days of emails sent to Illinois.You've
had fair warning the BOYCOTTS of every Utah product and tourism including
Sundance is going to be repeated...but HARSHER.
The backlash from prop 8 may unseat your highest ranking Mormon politician. LDS
takes pride in Reid's power and position. Reid also gives the nearly ENTIRELY
republican Mormon politicians the "cover" of a faint hint of bipartisanship.If Maine and WA initiatives are found drenched in LDS funds, you just killed
Reid's political career.
This brother of Nancy Pelozi is a shame for the state of Nevada and for the LDS
people !His views and leftist actions are all against what the LDS Church
professes. It's time he was excommunicated.
Even many of the Elect will be deceived!
To the 9:27 commentator, I hope you don't live in Utah for you own
sake. With so many races being a Latter-day Saint running against a Latter-day
Saint, you would feel bad all the time. I used to try to like Senator
Reid, but when he was one of less than 15 senators to vote against
1st-admendment exemptions to the hate crimes act I realized he was an enemy of
the bill of rights, and one of the more extreme members of the senate.
The CONSTITUTION is hanging by a string and Reid is doing everything he can to
cut that string!
The Church is always very open and public about what it supports. What
would be "drenched in LDS funds"? That Latter-day Saints contributed to those
comapigns? That is a right of Latter-day Saints. For it to have any meaning
you would have to prove that the Church itself organized and encoraged such
donations. I guess since Orson Scott Card being on NOM's board proves it
is a "Mormon front", you probably already have enough "proof" for youropinions.
re: Someone said | 6:05 p.m. Oct. 13, 2009 "that someone said, that Reid
said... Come on Deseret News did you really publish this gossip piece? "I agree - this story is a silly heresay gossip piece that has been spun
wildly, but the Tribune broke the "story", even though it is journalistically
shakey (which is typical of their tabloid mentality), so the News had to print
it to avoid critics accusing them of censorshipThis is lose/lose for
the D NewsAlthough I am curious: has Reid ever criticized Al
Sharpton or Jesse Jackson for their use of the pulpit for politcal reasons?
Does Reid want to abolsih the Martin Luther King holiday becasue he used the
pulpit to expose his views? Or does Reid merely typify left wing hypocristy in
its most blatant form.Jump on that story D News.
I used to say "hi" to Harry Reid every day in the halls of Congress. He is a
nice guy and I do believe he is devoted to the Church. HOWEVER, he
has been off the reservation for a long time with many of his views. To be as
FAR LEFT as he is and still be a member of the Church shows he has adopted TWO
COMPETING PHILOSOPHIES.No man can serve two masters. What will be
re: Pagan | 9:16 a.m. Oct. 14, 2009 "California and Hawaii are not
Utah, where the LDS church is based out of."Are you suggesting Al
Sharpton keep his politics confined to his home base in New York?The
implication that the LDS Churh has no right to speak outside of Utah is
completely bigoted and absurd (and unfotunately, typical of left wing hysteria).
Any comparison of the deployment of resources between the LDS Church and the
Democratic Party immediately results in such a resounding conclusion in the
Church's favor that no kindergartner, visitor to welfare square, nor US Senator
could ever deny with a straight face. Out.
Pagan | 11:52 a.m. Oct. 14, 2009 "And gay men/women are 10% of the
world..."Even the best estmiates are at about 2-4% but why stick to
facts when you have an ideology to rationalize I am homosexual - but
it is zealotry like this that makes me loathe to use the term gay to describe
myself - I tire of the silly hyperbole of "gay" drama politics
Good on you.Our Pioneer ancestors were driven out by Conservatives
for our Mormon Liberalism.And I can see were the REAL hatred within
the LDS really is.It appears that the good has become evil.andBeware the Evil behind smiling eyes.
sadly, Mr Reid has done more to damage our freedoms in his leadership time
period I say vote him out please I do not care that he is LDS get rid of him
now. I am from the same religion as he but I do not believe what he says at all
i agree, this is not a real article. an article is supposed to be about fact and
this is nothing more than hearsay. however, i wouldn't be suprised if reid
actually said that. he is constantly favoring issues that are agaisnt the
church. the worst part of it is he says they are in tune with the gospel. a
while back, he said that because the democratic party emphazises on helping the
poor, it is more in tune with the LDS church. although he is right in that
respect, i don't think god wants us to help the poor and at the same time call
his prophet a criminal(that is what the church is being called because of prop
8), support the killing of millions of babies, and chage his eternal law of
marriage. if he truly didn't want to be republican because they promote wealth
and not helping the poor, then he should run independently, or at least find a
party that doesn't go against church doctrine. no matter how you cut it, he is a
liar. either to excuse himself for standing on the wrong side, or because of
@Pagan: Gays amount to only 1% of the population no matter how much propoganda
they publish. BUT, regardless of how many laws they pass or how much hatred
they spew out a homosexual relationship will NEVER BE A MARRIAGE...worlds
without end.And...there will be no improprieties found in the LDS
Church's activities during the Prop 8 battle. No laws were broken and every
single activity the Church leaders participated in was completely cleared by
their attornies in advance.We have become so lost from truth and
right in this world that many actually believe the garbage these people put out.
I wonder how much time there is left for us as a civilization. These are the times the scriptures describe as the last days. These are the
people the scriptures try to warn and warn us about. SO TRAGIC.
The gay population is less than 2%. All respected studies show that. The 10%
number came from the Kinsey study which has been invalidated over and over
whether or not they were born that way is not the issue. engaging in homosexual
behavior is a sin. just because you were born a heterosexual doesn't mean you
can commit adultery. if they truly beleive they were born that way, then they
must fight to either change, or remain abstinent. there are plenty of
heterosexuals who go through their whole lives without engaging in sexual
activity. saying you were born gay is a poor excuse to break the commandments of
god and force everyobne else to acknowledge that it is not a sin.and to: Pagan | 9:16 a.m. when has it become a crime to care for others
that are not your near neighbors? this is still america and besides, you
argument is completly flawed. there are many LDS members in california. plus,
why are all the attacks being directed to the LDS church? we weren't the only
ones who voted or contributed you know? get your facts straight. oh, and you
argument of "it was legal" is stupid. so what if it was? now it's not. and this
time it was millions who voted, not just five liberal judges.
"The backlash from prop 8 may unseat your highest ranking Mormon politician. LDS
takes pride in Reid's power and position. Reid also gives the nearly ENTIRELY
republican Mormon politicians the "cover" of a faint hint of bipartisanship."Uh, clearly you don't know many Mormons, then. Reid has been an
embarrassment to the members of the church for a long time. He sold out his
beliefs for political power. We don't take pride in Reid's position and power,
we wish he'd shut the heck up already and stop making the church and its members
look bad.He's certainly allowed his own opinion, but to claim
membership in a church when every single one of your public actions runs
contrary to the beliefs of that church is a bit silly. The rest of us are
allowed our own opinions as well, and many of us do not support Reid or his
political stances, and we will not be voting for him.
You people are nuts. All Reid said was that he AGREED with the Church's
position on marriage, but disagreed with the Church's tactics in California.
This is hardly grounds to call for his excommunication or to label as an
"extremist" or as "deceived." So, LDS folk, take a deep breath, summon up your
best "Christian" face, and cut Senator Reid some slack. He does far more good
for the Church than harm. Plus, I recall a few conservative Republicans having
a problem with the Church's MX Missile statement years ago, i.e., Jim Hansen.
No one called for his excommunication.
Who cares what Mr. Reid says. The guy only has two brain cells.
If this story is true about the Senator Reid...he has been in the beltway far
too long and lost his way. His time and fame will eventually end when he isn't
re-elected next time around. People forget senate majority leaders...no one
could probably remember who they were a decade after they leave Washington.
Well gosh golly gee. If Henry Reid disagrees I guess the LDS Church better
change it's policy on prop 8. They can't be in opposition to the great Henry
Reid. Last I checked Henry Reid was not a general authority so who
LDS people donating to Prop. 8 is a waste of money, but campaign donations to
elect Reid isn't a waste of money?
Senator Reid, you have shown your alegence is to your party and not to your
faith. Unfortunately you want to church to change its views to suit your
party's. A scripture comes to mind about not serving two masters.
To state or imply that the LDS Church has no right to speak out on issues
outside of Utah is silly. The Catholic Church is based in Rome. I guess that
means they have no right to speak out on anything outside of Vatican
City...right?The LDS Church has the right to speak out on any
subject that affects the children of God.
... Harry Reid's son has announced he will be running for governor in Nevada.
Must be running on his father's popularity.Oh wait, I see Sen. Reid
is about 10 or 15 points behind in polling to the Republicans who plan to run
against him next year.
Cats, who are you? You always have words of reason and intelligence. You used
to say hi to Harry in the halls of congress?
Anonymous must have got his typing fouled up. He must have said he was on LSD
and Reid is still a disgrace.
Hanging the label "Marriage" on a homosexual union does not reverse a pathology.
"A thorn by any other name is still a thorn."
Who prepares an article based on the statement of an individual about a
statement of another individual made in passing in a private meeting? I am no
supporter of Senator Reid and I completely disagree with his politics, but this
story and any like it are irresponsible journalism. The header makes it sound
like he came out with a statement criticizing the LDS church. What if he said
he doesn't like the money the Church spends on BYU, would there then be a
headline saying "Senate Majority Leader Criticizes the Lord's Annointed?" Give
me a break, the writer needs to get a clue.
Before reading this story, I always had a ton of respect for Senator Reid. I've
always been a supporter. Now all I can say now is that I'm deeply ashamed of
him.Thanks, Harry, for helping perpetuate the notion that good
Mormons can't be Democrats.
Prop 102 passed in Arizona, defining marriage as being between a man and a
woman. Not one dime was contributed by Mormons. The campaign was fully (and to
spare) funded by evangelicals and other groups in the state. Members of the
church and communities did donate some time and effort to help it pass. In
California, many of the voters were white, Asian, black and Hispanic. Those
hoping to hang on to some semblance of civilization as has been ongoing for
Reid and Pelosi are twins...from an alternate universe...I just know it.
Reid is evidence that you can't be a Democrat and drink the Obummer Kool-aid and
be a good christian.....
All you people in Utah are so mean to us. I cannnot beleive the hatred you have
toward gays and Laker fans. How many championships do the Jazz have?You
may have won prop 8 but we won another championship in LA which the Jazz never
Mr. Reid is not a leader in the Church. I can't wait for his time in Washington
to come to an end!
Um...what on earth are you talking about? Who cares how many championships LA
has? What does that have to do with ANYTHING AT ALL that we're talking about?
I support Harry Reid. He is a hero and excellent leader in Washington. I'm
happy he spoke up about this issue. He went to my College - Southern Utah
University and I am proud of that. I am a Mormon also and a Democrat. I think
the church crosses the lines of church and state too many times. I will be
voting for him in the next Nevada election. Go Harry Reid!
There's Harry Reid on the Left.There's Glenn Beck on the Right.Now the That's Balance... for those of"High Profile" status from
the LDS communityof believers.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I myself have found many religious people
quite evil and deceptive.
Go, Harry, go!
Harry Reid is RIGHT! Get your BIG NOSES out of the business of everyone else.
Sometimes it's simply a good idea not to be so bossy, pushy, obsessive in your
behavior and out of control, nor a busy body who noses around in the affairs of
others which do NOT concern you. Go say a prayer and try to manage your own life
and leave others ALONE! Work on your own salvation and stop mouthing-off every
time you think you know it all.
It is discouraging to read the absurd views of the presumably LDS readers of the
Deseret News. For those too ignorant to understand, Mr. Reid does NOT have to
agree with every position of the Church's leaders to be a "good LDS"; it doesn't
belong to Thomas Monson or DesNews readers. Mormonism can and does change
long-held positions many believe unchangeable, as it did in 1978. We just have
to wait for the Lord to speak. Finally, marriage has long been practiced in
cultures in Asia and elsewhere that had no clue about "Judeo-Christianity." It
is a secular institution for most of the world. Besides, if the number of people
permitted in a marriage can change in Utah, why can't the genders of the
To my gay friends: I do not condemn you; I care about you. And, while I do
indeed believe that engaging in homosexuality is a sin, I also believe that many
of the things I do are sins as well. Therefore, I cannot judge you. Only one
is worthy of judging. Having said that, I can vote to support an institution
that has defined society for millenia, and I should not be victimized or made
out to be evil because of that. Likewise, I do not wish to take away your right
to vote on issues as you seem right. And, though we may disagree on some
issues, we assuredly agree on many more. I guess what I'm trying to say here is
that we can agree to disagree agreeably. We can remain friends even though we
disagree. This is the very HEART and SOUL of America, and if we lose it, we'll
have lost everything our forefathers fought for. Remember my words.
"'Virtually every Mormon I talk to in NV say they will NEVER vote for Harry
again!' Good thing not everyone is mormon then, eh?If
mormon's are less than 2% of America...And gay men/women are 10% of
the world...who is the 'majority' here?Well done Mr
Reid! Well done!"This proves our point! Why in the world are you
blaming the Mormons for Prop 8?!?
@re:paganNearly every Mormon is REPUBLICAN, of course those in NV don't
vote for Reid....duh?
LDS funded every 4 of 5 dollars donated for prop 8. You LIED about non monetary
donations by a factor of NINETY...claimed 2K and it was 180K.LDS bussed in
Mormons to canvas CA neighborhoods, and produced LYING TV ads. You even sent out
BLACKMAIL threats to No on prop 8 donors demanding $10,000.00. a FELONY which
four Yes on prop 8 activist ADMITTED doing, one was an LDS lawyer.
harry reid has a big mouth.
I admire Harry Reid for having the guts to say what he did on this subject.
I am a member of the Church. Still, I am ashamed that there are so many
(evidenced by the comments on this blog) so called Mormons that have a deeply
rooted hostility towards human beings that have differing beliefs. Yet we
expect the world to accept our young missionaries and treat them with respect?
Something is wrong with this picture. People have a right to their beliefs-it's
called free agency. Elder Oaks was merely expressing his views. It's OK to
have a different opinion. I am equally ashamed with the Gay people who
vandalize Mormon church property. Come on people.....let's all get along and
respect one another.
It doesnt even matter Harry is out of office soon enough.
I am hoping that the citizens of Nevada will go to the polls and vote Harry Reid
out of office, but I have my doubts, Nevada is a very liberal state and the
people will more than likely vote him into office once again. I cringe every
time I hear him open his mouth, he is very much a card carrying liberal Democrat
from a liberal state where he is much loved, I can't stand the guy myself, but
if you think Nevada has a pain in the butt like Reid, be happy, here in Arizona
we are stuck with McCain till the day he dies in office of old age.
I don't understand why people on this board think ultra-left and Mormon are
incompatible. I for one am a raging liberal but still go to church and hold a
calling. I of course don't agree with the left on abortion but on every single
other issue I agree with them. I don't hide anything and I have not been
excommunicated. It is pretty ridiculous to think the Church would reprimand me
because: I support taxing the rich to give to the poor, I oppose attacking
sovereign nations when there isn't a single ounce of proof that they have
wronged us, I vehemently oppose one's right to bear arms, I even more vehemently
oppose the death penalty, and last but not least though I believe marriage is
between a man and a woman, I DO SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO MARRY HOWEVER
THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. How is any of that so opposed to
church doctrine?? I've said it all before and I am still a card carrying Mormon
in every sense of the word.
..become a member of a political party whose agendas include abortion, gay
rights and socialism at the expense of the family, religion and freedom. Sorry
Harry, your political party does just that. When socialism and oppression comes
it will be wrapped in so called progressive social programs which will become
oppressive laws that will inhibit people to a static and apathetic mindset,
instead of encouraging free thought.
Harry Reid has the right not to fit into any old, imbalanced, slimy, green,
jello mold. Harry is his own person and has the right to speak his mind as he
sees things to be. I love it when an LDS person speaks up and out "TRUTHFULLY"
on their TRUEST and deepest feelings about things, and not recite or act out
what they think they probably better say. Some of you need to climb out of your
snake holes and smell the roses for the first time, and learn how to be genuine
with yourselves and not a copy-cat-mimic with a fur ball stuck in your throat.
"I support taxing the rich to give to the poor"Since when does the
government have the right to punish success? There is a major flaw to
socialism. What do you do when you run out of other peoples money? When you
have reduced everyone to being poor, then what? Your statement makes me sick.
Our country will be destroyed by attitudes like yours. This country was founded
to escape tyranny like you are describing. I just don't understand how people
can think taking all the money from those who produce and create jobs for
everyone else can be a good thing. When all employers are bankrupt then what?
Wake up people!!!
Agency at work! I don't agree with his politics but he has the right to voice
his opinion. Hope he knows that if he does not agree with the Church, he can
leave and preach what he believe. For me, I use my agency to follow the LDS
Church leaders and doing my very best to support the family as taught by the
church.I just hope that he allows us our agency to choose how to use
our money and not be heavily taxed - take care of the poor - the Church teaches
that and I am doing it through my generous fast offerings and other offerings
through the Church.
Hey, Harry...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.You are intelligent and brilliant
and just what this country needs.
I'm embarrassed that he is a member of the church. Although he is entitled to
his own opinion, he has no business criticizing the church. That is apostacy, no
matter how you look at it. It can't possibly help the missionary effort with him
saying such things and calling himself a member of the church. Thank goodness he
will be voted out of office this year in what is sure to be a landslide. Then,
he will be "left to himself, to kick against the pricks." Thank goodness there
is Mitt Romney.
Read Elder Oak's talk that he gave yesterday to BYU. He states not to vote for
members of the gov't just because they are of your same faith. Do so
prayerfully! Next time around hopefully some will learn!
You stated: " I DO SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO MARRY HOWEVER THEY WANT AS
LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. How is any of that so opposed to church
doctrine??"Well the Bible is rather EXPLICIT in stating that
homesexuality is wrong. Hence homosexual marriage is wrong. The writings of
Pres. Kimball addresses homosexual behavior. As to the doctrine of
Marriage and the New and everlasting covenant, I strongly recommend you refer to
D&C section 132. There you will find the doctrine concerning marriage and male
to female relationships. Here in CA we are affected as to the inculcation of
the schools suggesting and some explicitly referring to our religious beliefs as
"wrong and bigoted" in relation to Gay Marriage. To state that such practices
do not affect you is short sighted. Frankly, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!
It's about the effects and affects on our society and religious Constitutional
Rights. If organized religions will be vilified as bigots and homophobes and
laws passed to ensure that religions do not excommunicate people who violate
their cannonical doctrines, then it WILL Affect you.
Lets hear it from some real people here who can THINK for themselves-- rather
than playing some "SIMON SAYS GAME'. I know Mr. Reid is correct in what he has
voiced out to the media, and that he has spoken out in behalf of the church, to
protect it from its enemies. The so called religious group here, who think they
know so much, should be smart enough to keep their large noses out of politics
and not give so much attention to the wrong group of people.
Hey anonymous, don't you ever get tired of hiding behind a NO-NAME? Do you
tnink for a minute that Harry Reid being in the LDS church and speaking out for
the gays will change the doctrines of this church? Marriage is ordained of God
and should be between a man and a woman! Simple! Find another name if you wish
and do your thing! Choose this day who ye will serve but as for me and my
family we will serve the Lord!! All these attacks will bring us under
condemnation from the Lord! For all the righteous, stand fast and hold on tight
to the iron rod. Don't cave in to all the evil surrounding us in this wicked
world for this is what it is becoming!!!
It would be nice if all critics could learn to mind their personal business and
stay out the business of others. If you are so embarrassed by others than
perhaps you should work on your own excessive and personal pride. Get over it.
AHHH? BLAH, BLAH, BLAH >;-B
I'm a member of the church and Reid doesn't embarrass me. No one is perfect.
No one has a perfect point of view. He has the guts to speak his opinion,
whether or not such opinion is in line with whatever organizations he is a
member of. So what! I'd rather have a politician who speaks HIS OWN opinion
HONESTLY then one who constantly tries to align his opinion with his church,
just to be viewed as a "good guy" to gather LDS votes.
haha at the green jello mention! I'm LDS, but I have a sense of humor and can
laugh at some things in our mormon culture! :)
I think everyone is over reacting. Reid did not agree with gay marriage, nor
did he criticize the Church in my point of view. He did, however, air his views
contrary to that of the Church in regards to allocation of funds in one
instance, not with gospel principles. I think it is fine he has his own
opinions. A huge misconception by non-Mormons is that we do not think for
ourselves. One of the main reasons why Mitt Romney is not our President now.
That was the part I thought was so strange; Reid saying that there were better
things to spend the funds on. Doesn't he realize that the 'funds' were personal
donations from the pockets of members who were making a sacrifice?
It is simple, religious leaders should leave people personal lives alone. It's
not a religions right to live and breath for its members or to lead them around
by the nose. Harry Reid is just trying to get through to a few hard heads on
what might be the right thing to do, and for those who refuse to listen to
anyone or anything.
To Andrea, I think Reid is a tithe paying member as well.
Hey Mark you sound so ALL powerful and very well "GAY" CONNECTED....why wait?
If you already know?...then by all means start boycotting everything
UTAH......the LDS church windows, and temple square from the grope-a-dope
protestorss could use the break! Hey Becker, you can take the SL
Gay Parade off the calendar, according to Mark..."They're leaving the State of
I am a tithe-paying, recommend-holding, calling-serving member, too, and I fully
support Harry Reid! But I have something 99% of you DON'T have: Nevada
Residency! Your opinions DO NOT MATTER! But mine does!
...are closed minded and clumsy and think on a thread with no commonsense. I hear you, Andrea & Jim...right-on-my-friends :o)To- Steve,
that was cool and i agree :o)
You seem to have a rather narrow definition of religion? I don't know how you
can keep religion and people's personal lives separate. Christianity is a way
of life -- every waking moment. Its not a matter of showing up to church for a
few hours on Sunday and then leaving one's religion at the church doors! Our
church leaders do not live and breath for us. The counsel that they provide is
indended to HELP us, to keep us on a path that will bring joy and happiness to
our lives. And I can assure you that it works.
"...he also believes that the resources that went into the Proposition 8 effort
could have been put to better use"Really? It looks like it did the
Um, To-To Jim 3:03pm..You have some of what you said to Jim a bit wrong. I
know a few members in my own neighborhood who play the holier than act on
Sunday, and act like satanists the rest of the week. Yep, they leave their
religion on the doorstep of the chapel. I agree with others who have said that
some recite a nice phony testimony like the the Catholics do their hail Mary's.
Sorry, bud, that's the way of it.
Who would Nevada rather have? No question the senator from Searchlight would
win in a landslide; these two aren't running against each other (they did in
1998--Reid barely winning), if people wonder why Obama and Reid win so often,
it isn't because they are the best, their opponents lack substance.
You are going on 4 years being Majority Leader and doing a great job!!!!!
In response to those who have commented on my original post.Modern
capitalist governments have been successfully taxing the rich and giving to the
poor since the beginning of time. This is not socialism or tyranny as some
suggest but actually what keeps modern capitalism societies balanced so all are
motivated to work and produce and given a fair opportunity. It's totally
ridiculous to think that those who have made it big have done it all through
their own efforts without an ounce of help from society. It's in fact the
opposite of tyranny as it keeps American from becoming a country of dynasties
based purely on one's family's history of creating wealth.Re
marriage, I never said I agree with gay marriage. But I also don't agree with
drinking, pre-marital sex, doing drugs, swearing, gambling, etc. but I am not
going to go out and outlaw all of those. Each of those actually has a much more
detrimental impact to society than gay marriage, yet you don't see the church up
in arms over them. Gays will marry and life will go on. Ok with me.
To RE: Raging Liberal | 5:40 a.m.You make up or choose to believe
horror scenarios, which are only designed to create fear and movement against
the homosexual communtiy. Your assumptions are without any base. Where does it
say the government will dictate churches to do certain things concernig gay
members should gay marriage be allowed? Also to burst another bubble
for you-- Of all the scriptures our church put into the TG underneath the
heading "homosexuality", only a few actually talk about homosexuality. If you
study the greek original, you will find that others, like the scripture in 1 Cor
6:9 talk about male prostitution e.g.; this is hardly comparable to homosexual
couples today, who seek to be united in marriage.I am sad that "my"
church bought into the whole fear-mongering. Like Brother Bednar who said the
church would be forced to perform "homosexual" sealings, if gay marriage was
allowed. Again, where is the proof for this wild assumption?
We support Harry Reid. What a super great guy. Some of you need to take heed and
listen before casting stones. He is a politician and not a GA. He needs to be
appreciated for what he does. I think he knows what he is doing. DO YOU?
Gays want legal marrage and want it called that. Really. To bad marrage is not
defined with gays in the picturel. Call it gay marrage, but it will never truly
Reid is a politician. If politicians are "EXPECTED" to toe the church line,
then we should not elect Mormons to high office. Certainly members can and will
be affected by church teachings (regardless of the religion) however we should
expect them to serve the people, not a church.
Marriage is exclusive to a man and a woman. That means it excludes gays who
together with another choose to behave as a man and a woman. The rights to act
that way are already existing in society recognizing that they will do what
they do, and can do so under the law..To change the definition, and
lose the exlusivity of marriage is what the gays now want. It is the last
vestige of criticism, barring those holding to moral truths and organized, or
not, in churches. They will not broker criticism from anyone and look to cancel
humanity's right to an opinion and a stand. So, it is not we
heterosexuals who deny them any rights. It's their twisted argument that seeks
to inhibit our rights. We do not discuss our sexuality at school, or in the
workplace. We do not insist to identify our sexuality by our in-your-face
activist parades or lawsuits. Why do gays?Marriage is exclusive.
An apple is always by definitiion an apple, and an orange always an orange. Gays
may construct a new word, but perverting language and definitions is not
progress. Redefining the word is beyond progressiveness.
If you read my comment carefully, I talked about Christianity. The members you
refer to clearly are not practicing Christians. You will find this in every
religion -- some truly have not been converted. All you can hope for is that
one day they will want to be like Christ and change their ways.
Harry Reid better be careful with his comments about gay marriage and Church
involvement. The decision to donate time, money and resources to pass prop 8
came from the First Presidency of the Church and while it is fine to not be in
agreement with Church policy a church member must not make that comment public
or do it in a way that brings negative attention to the Church especially on the
national scene.I respect Harry Reid in that he has sent sons on missions and is
a member in good standing however being a democrat and a Christian is getting
harder and harder to reconcile these days with the democratic party
supporting and promoting abortion, homosexual activism and other immoral and non
christain view points. The democratic party is being run today by the far left
loons and radicals and those more moderate party members like Rep Jim Matheson
are going to have to decide if they are going to follow and abandon their values
and belief's or leave the party.Tough choice.
Harry Reid is a good man what ever your political opinions. He made a passing
comment that he felt the Churches influence could of been used better in other
area's. This will not cause him any kind of retaliation from the Church and does
not bring his devotion to the faith into question. He may be wrong on his
opinion but it is a valid and acceptable one within the LDS community.
Looks like the reid welfare army is out in force Obsessively trying to convert
critical thinkers to their way. It is a tragedy watching mr. reid (pied
piper)slowly lead them down the path to self destruction. Way to go mr. reid you
are the oppositions key player. It does not take rocket science to figure out
you are getting extremely desperate just like the adversary for souls (votes).
HOW PATHETIC. 18% approval rating. Keep it up mr. reid.
The Church's influence could've/should've been put to better use. At a
minimum, the Prop 8 campaign was negative, and relied on misinformation. The LDS Church members/leadership is too aligned/immersed with the
Repubican Party such that they don't see that today's Republicans rely on fear
and misinformation to promote their agenda.
I'm all for gay marriage: a happy marriage between a man and a woman.
I don't know why opponents of gay marriage continue to use the argument that the
definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Lots of practices that were
once defined one way or another have been modified or altered or completely
changed to adapt to the times and progress of society. Women were not allowed
to vote at one time. That was ostensibly because women were not capable of
worthwhile educated contribution to the selection of elected officials. The
definition changed and suddenly they were able. Very little progress would have
been made had we continued to hold to historical or past definitions, just for
the sake of the definition. I think there are very few if any good
arguments opposing gay marriage. True it may be detrimental society, but as one
poster noted earlier multiple practices are detrimental to society yet they are
allowed in the name of freedom of choice and therefore growth. This was God's
plan not Satan's for those of LDS faith. There is really only one good argument
to oppose gay marriage and that is that God Himself has dictated as such. But
is it valid apply believe differently?
Again! Please Don't compare race to sexual preference!!!Being black
or a woman is 100% undisputedly inborn!!!!There is "actually" NO
conclusive scientific proof that same-sex eroticism is congenitally
predetermined. I dare you to show me just ONE study that proves? OPPS Sorry,
there are NONE! I read over 30 and always we read it "might possibly suggest."
You want us to just believe your assertion of faith and change the laws
established throughout all human history. Sorry, we would need a little REAL
proof or even some evidence to consider it. Human behavior experts
in this field say…….“No clear conclusions can be
made by biology”…..Mustanski and Bailey“All behavior is
biologically caused at some point.” To judge whether behavior is moral or
not based on biologically caused is to defend an irrational
premise…” Brian Mustenski (Indiana University) Sexual and
Relationship Therapy 18:4 (Nov. 2003)What if we followed suit with
the studies of the 70's that suggest violent criminals on death row all had some
inborn component? Does that make violent criminal behavior moral? And yet this
is what the sexually confused want us to do. Sorry not going to happen.
"The Church's influence could've/should've been put to better use. At a minimum,
the Prop 8 campaign was negative, and relied on misinformation."You
could say it was negative on both sides. Unfortunately, one side resorted to
Apparently as a member of the Church I don\t have the right to donate to a
cause. I don't have a right to vote my conscience, I don't have a right to speak
out on things. Just because I am a church member you thing I forfeit my rights
to speak out and if I do you claim that the Church is donating money. I find it
amazing that a church which makes up less than 2% of the American population is
so powerful and can dicate to all other Americans how they vote and can demand
it and force them to vote that way. You are truly clueless.
I applaud Mr Reid's courageous stand on what he is talking about. The whole
bottom line is the way the society judges a group as a whole. Many laws now
prevent partners from having each other's needs met especially when in the
hospital or dying. The rules are must be family only. So what does a person do
when his best friend or partner is not family legally? he's left to his own self
and that's a sad way of treating a human. We should never judge a person by
their preference. We should look at the person with love and show our care for
one another. So many of you people are so closed minded that you can't see
beyond the forest. Prop 8 was simply a law that would assist partners to enjoy
the same benefits offered to married couples. That's all it was. Your freedom of
religion remains intact. What you did however was use force and take away a
freedom. Suppose it was the other way around saying marriage is forbidden?
Laughable isn't it? But that's exactly what was done from the opposition in Prop
Reid has chosen the dark side, and he should not be trusted. He is a wolf in
sheeps clothing and I wish he would have his name removed so that we would not
have to be embarassed as a church everytime he opens his mouth against the
teachings of the church. Shame on him, and he needs to step down. Glad I am
not in his ward.
"Prop 8 was simply a law that would assist partners to enjoy the same benefits
offered to married couples. "Prop 8 had nothing to do with offering
benefits. It was how marriage is defined. Society has every right to define
the restrictions place on the institution of marriage.
A portion of Dangerous Grounds comment above at 9:39 a.m. Oct. 16, 2009 is
COMPLETELY WRONG -- the post included the following: "The decision to donate
time, money and resources to pass prop 8 came from the First Presidency of the
Church and while it is fine to not be in agreement with Church policy a church
member must not make that comment public or do it in a way that brings negative
attention to the Church especially on the national scene"Unfortunately many members of the church offer incorrect information about the
church in public forums. The church would NEVER tell any of its members that it
"must not make that comment public or do it in a way the brings negative
attention to the Church". You will NEVER find a general authority of the LDS
church telling its members what we can and cannot say or think, especially in
the political arena. I felt it was important to post this comment so that
non-members are not lead astray by the original poster's comments.
Who is the "we" in the following statement that you made in your post? Reid has chosen the dark side, and he should not be trusted. He is a wolf in
sheeps clothing and I wish he would have his name removed so that we would not
have to be embarassed as a church everytime he opens his mouth against the
teachings of the church. Shame on him, and he needs to step down. "Please speak for yourself. I am a member of the LDS church and I'm not so
prideful as to be embarrassed by what Reid or any other member of the church
says publicly. Please don't lead your audience thru the use of the word "we" to
believe that most or even many members of the church are embarrassed by Reid.
I am LDS and completely disagreed with Prop 8. I respect Senator Reid taking a
stand. My brother getting married to his partner of 10 years does nothing to
cheapen my marriage or the marriage of anyone else. They are not asking to get
married in a Mormon church. They just want the ability to have a civil
marriage. It is as simple as that. If someone voted to take away
my right to marry, I would be picketing churches too. Wouldn't you?
"If someone voted to take away my right to marry, I would be picketing churches
too. Wouldn't you? "They have every right to picket churches....but
The Danger is that the schools teach that homosexual relationships are normal
and correct. This is what is being taught here in CA since January despite
parental outcry. No teacher would take their class on a field trip to visit a
drug deal or to a bar to visit the alchoholic and promote the aspects of
drinking. However, I was appalled as a parent, CA Taxpayer and LDS member to
read that a teacher took her 2nd grade class on a field trip to witness to a
lesbian marriage. This type of indoctrination through the schools is where the
Danger is. No teacher's personal beleifs', nor should the STATE present
information that undermines the faith and moral beliefs of a student. To
educate a person in confidence instead of conscience is to educate a menace to
I agree with The Danger poster. I have grandchildren in California who are
being indoctrinated in their schools and have glbt teachers! It is appalling.
Little kids. In grade school.
A Question....were the Sister/Wives of Brigham and Joseph Smith thought to be
married to each other, as well as to the men? And if they were, wasn't that an
early example of Same Sex Marriage in the Mormon Church/
Science has conclusively shown that gay is genetic. You need only read twin
studies. If one identical twin is homosexual the other twin is likely to be
homosexual at a rate significantly higher than the average 1 - 3 % rule. Why
are 100% of identical gay twins not both always gay? Simple. Identical twins
do not have identical finger prints, height, weight, and sometimes handedness
(left or right.)
"Science has conclusively shown that gay is genetic."There is no
conclusive evidence that this is true because there are theories that either
support or refute that it is genetic. You can look at a baby and tell they have
brown eyes because of the parents. You can't look at a baby and determine they
are gay not to mention whether or not their inherited these supposed gay genes
from the parent.
"Why are 100% of identical gay twins not both always gay?"Maybe we
are born with propensities toward a certain sexual orientation. But there is a
danger in this assumption when considering the different ways people express
themselves sexually....some of which is illegal. However, if genetics is a
factor (to which there is no conclusive evidence), we should also consider life
experiences and what individuals are exposed to in terms of stimuli that can
reinforce sexual behavior.
I appreciate Harry Reids broadmindedness. He is a good politician doing what he
No, they weren't. The women weren't married to each other, just to their
Harry Reid is an absolute idiot and he is going down next November so who cares
what comes out of his duplicitous mouth.
Sorry,typos. Read a few more comments. Talking about hate. Notice all the
hate against Mormons simply for being involved. They are still ranting on the
Tribune and there is a planned effort to silence the diverse voice of the LDS,
or even, as one gay rights leader put it on national news “destroy the
Utah brand.” This is hate. LDS donating, being active, having a voice and
an opinion and voting, this is not hate. Throwing rocks, shooting out windows,
sending imitation anthrax, vandalizing sacred spaced, etc, this is hate. Anyway,
voters have been intimidated, but I support Reid’s right to have and share
his opinion, just as everyone. Homosexuals, a powerful special interest group,
however, have tried to silence and have attacked the LDS voice. We should all
look at the article on Elder Oaks talk. And, WE ARE ALL responsible for
the increase in homosexuality, which is harmful, if we stand by and do nothing.
Helping to slow this is just as important as other humanitarian aid, and slowing
addiction to nicotine, etc. I love homosexuals, and they are free to keep their
sexuality in the bed, like the rest of us.
It is not Reid's business (nor that of any other government official) to dictate
any church's stand on anything. If Senator Reid opposes the church's stand on
Prop 8, why doesn't he find a church that agrees with him? Perhaps 2 Timothy 4:3
fits Reid's spiritual compass: "For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears."
Well, they didn't post my first comment. Just want to say, I agree with Vince
that this is a very important issue. It will affect all of humanity for years to
come, and we should expect religious people to be free to be involved in the
decision making process. We are all free to vote or not for Reid, and he is free
to express his opinions. Don’t know why that upsets. I supported the
donation of money, time, for 08, and think people should be free to donate
against without violence, attack, or attempts to “destroy” diverse
I didn’t fully understand either, why LDS cared so much to spend.
After discussing Elder Oaks talk with Tribunites and Mormon haters
(“defending Oaks”). Homosexuals donate millions, hire protestors,
attack, try to silence, etc. and they are applauded, but I think it’s
important for all voices to be heard, and for LDS to donate on this. See below,
if they post it, for a few reasons why. Keep in mind that I have homosexual
family members who think it would be nice to have marriage, and sometimes my
heart aches to think that anyone would discriminate against them for
homosexuality, just as it makes me sad to see anyone so hated and all this name
calling against Mormons for being involved. It is a touchy situation, but we all
should be involved, all voices should be heard, and homosexuals already have
many places they can go to if they must get married.
I care because, while adults and children are free to engage in homoSEXUALity,
legally enforcing it through marriage would be, perhaps, more harmful to
humanity than legally marrying people to cigarettes. Many studies have shown
that homosexuals have higher rates of: drug use, tobacco use, death, violence,
domestic violence, suicide, promiscuity, mental problems, distress, etc. And
children raised in these non-traditional families also have many problems
(contrary to APA and AAP propaganda statements, based on a select few studies,
many taken from homosexual journals, and leaving out important information such
as increases in promiscuity for children raised by homosexualsetc). These
studies were done including Dutch populations etc, where homosexual marriage has
been legal for a long time, and, it has been shown that Mormons are more hated
than homosexuals, and so we can’t blame discrimination for these ills.
Identical twin studies have shown that many, even most homosexuals are not
forced to be so by genetics. There is no known homosexual gene. Exposure to
homosexuality has been shown to increase it, etc. We should love those trapped.
And there is a lot of disagreement, but all should be heard, and we are all
Responsible if we do nothing.