Utah is awful, just awful! You said it, not me.
Have you been conscious during the life of the MWC? Or the WAC prior to
that?What a great year for the MWC. Three teams in the top 25. One team
in the top ten for the most of the year. What are you expecting?Wake up
from dreamland and be grateful for such good football in our conference.
Utah is a good team. Not nearly as good as last year. BYU will win that game
this year but will have a two loss season when they drop to TCU. Another Vegas
Bowl appearance is on the horizon.
I agree with this, except BYU is slightly better than last year. Slightly.
I am a WAC fan, The bottom of the WAC is much better than the MWC. The bottom 3
are horrid. But the top of the MWC, the TOP 3 are stronger than the WAC top 3
barely. Boise State would slaughter any and all MWC teams this yr. They barely
lost to TCU last yr with a Freshman QB and Routed Oregon, who thumped Utah and
will be 1 or 2 in PAC 10. But still a strong yr for MWC. But
definately off last yr's appearance.I still like to see MWC and WAC
beat up on any all other teams, no matter what.
You Don't want to add BSU to the MWC.If BSU comes in and if they
were competing with the other top 3 teams for wins week in/week out. It would be much more likely that the eventual conference champ would have at
least 1 or 2 losses.If the MWC champ, year in/year out, were to come
in with 1, or especially 2, losses then the BCS would use that as proof that the
MWC teams were no good. Much easier to beat 2 out of 2 each year
then 3 out of 3. Just Sayin'
WAC1 team on par with TCU, Utah and BYU...Boise State3 teams
on par with the MWC 2nd tier...Fresno State and Idaho Nevada looks like they may
have turned around their season after a poor start5 teams that are
struggling. Hawaii (since June Jones left for SMU) San Jose State, Louisiana
Tech, Utah State and New Mexico State.And let's not even look at the
Keep dreamin. Boise State is ok but would not slaughter the top of the MWC.
BYU would beat them, TCU would beat them, Utah would beat them, Air Force would
beat them. WAC stands for the Weak Athletic Conference. They are over rated.
USU will give them a tough game and will probably win.
Record wise, the top 3 teams in the WAC are Idaho, BSU and NMSU and you think
TCU, BYU and Utah are just barely better? You probably thought BSU would beat
TCU last year too. Barely lost on the scoreboard but clearly dominated by TCU
on the field. The problem with comparing the bottom 3 is that the
bottom 6 in the WAC all have losing records already. The MWC only has 3 teams
with losing records. The MWC's middle 3 teams are better than the WAC's. I do agree however that we all benefit when teams from both leagues beat
You've come to this conclusion how??? Because TCU had a close game with the team
that has clearly been the fourth best team in the Mountain West for the past few
years? If you'd take a second to look at the stats, you'll see that the Frogs
outgained Air Force in every meaningful category except for turnovers. This
league has one weak team (*cough* New Mexico), however, every other team stands
a chance to win every week.The Mountain West has more marquis wins
this year than last year and if the Big 3 can escape conference play without
losing to any teams, save for each other, this season could arguably be more
respectable than last year. Wins over Oklahoma, Virginia, and Clemson are
accomplishments to be proud of. Yes, they are having down years, but all stand a
chance to make bowl games and OU could still end up in a BCS bowl. Just what
part of that is weak?
As it stands, BSU has the best out of conference win, unless you're just going
by opinion, which those in the bubble seem to prefer. So until they play, yes,
BSU probably is the best team of those mentioned this year.
... the Big (L)east and the WAC. Is Mr. Sorenson just trying to drum up
controversy with a weak article about the MWC? Did he have a deadline to come
up with something as trite as this article? Look at the big pic fella. The MWC
has had an outstanding record against AQ's since the beginning of the BCS. When
re-evaluated the MWC will become AQ's and the Big East will be out.
MWC does stink. If not for the Mighty Utes, there would not be a really good
team in the conference. Utes go to BCS games and the other teams like byu, new
mexico, wyoming, UNLV go to lesser bowls. We need to bring in some good
football trams to compete with Utah and get rid of some of the lame ducks.cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has
brought attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC.
Great atticle, I think your spot on. I do think Utah and BYU are getting better
each week. I hope BYU continues to get better and after a three touchdown
victory over San Diego State, (I hope) they don't have a let down against TCU.
It is possible they could get the idea that TCU is like their previous two
opponents. In order to get better, the cougars just need to beat the team in
front of them and that is San Diego State.
At about this time last season Gordon Monson published an article about how the
Utes were "just plain overrated".This year has been bad for the
Mountain West overall, yes, but what if say TCU ends up beating Cincinatti in
the Fiesta Bowl?Every single conference has terrible teams like New
Mexico in it, even the mighty SEC.
I agree with Utefan @ 10:15
The Blue Ponies should have their field band from competition. Have you ever
watched a TV game on that stuff. Smoke and mirrors, gimmicks and gadgets.
Works good once but... you know the rest.When BSU beats somebody in
a bowl game that is ranked higher than them, then I'll tip my hat. Until then
don't take yourself to seriously. Beating #15? OK in a down year ( your were
actually ranked higher)can't compare with dominating a top 5 team at a venue
that is basically a home game for them.We'll see who the best team
in the MWC is this year.Just like last year, everybody said Utah just kept
squeeking by OSU (last minute FG), NM 13-10, TCU 13-10, but by the end of
the year Utah was smoking.Like last year, Utah is improving every
week. Their best ball is ahead of them. BYU, TCU, and BSU are playing about as
good as they'll get.I'll be happy to wait to see how it shakes out.
But what a great set up for next year.
If BSU was a great team they would have thumped TCU in last year but they lost.
So until they can beat TCU, they are not a great team. They always struggle
against big teams away from the blue turf.
Glad to see UtaFan is still dilerious. Those Utes continue to impress the
national media - have they broken the top 25 yet? I'll be curious to see you
write the article when the Utes go to another BCS game this year, too.I can't believe people are even talking about BSU. That program is a joke.
Sure, they beat Oregon (at home, no less) but eveyone else they play is
essentially a D2 school (WAC). I hope the BCS committee has the intelligence to
see that BSU is paving their way with a cream puff schedule. At least the MWC
schools scheduled BCS conference opponents to play (heck, even Utah did). BSU
plays most of their schedule against teams that could barely compete with 8 man
high school football squads.
TCU's Defense was lights out last year. It kept them in the bowl game last year
until their Soph. QB led the Horned Frogs on their game winning drive. Poor
Boise only had a Fresh. QB, Nice excuse! While the WAC has come a long way and
their top teams are very competitive with any program in the country lets not
forget they were the left overs when the MWC was formed. The top 8 teams from
the old 16 team WAC were the original teams in the MWC.
Weak article. Utah's season became epic last year because of the way they
finished. They had eaked out several victories during the course of the year.
The article could turn out to be true, but thus far the MWC is ahead of last
year and it remains to be seen how it finishes.Tough to top what
Utah accomplished last year, but TCU is still in position to match it. I'd
rather see BYU win out as a BYU fan, but the FSU game makes it tough to know
which BYU team will show up for the remaining big games. Regardless,
you could speculate that the season won't end as glorious as last year for the
MWC, but that's not going out on a limb given how great things ended last year.
But you can't say with a straight face that it's behind last year at this point
with three top 25 teams and one top 10 team.
Which OOC win of Boise's was so great? Was it the home game over Miami (OH) or
the away game over Bowling Green? So you're telling me that Boise's win over
Oregon AT HOME was better than a BYU win over Oklahoma on a neutral field? I
don't buy it. Oregon is not a better team than Oklahoma (with Sam Bradford). I also agree that Boise should not be allowed to have a turf color that
matches their uniforms (or really anything other than green). It is incredibly
hard to see the players on TV, let alone sitting in the pocket with rushers
coming after you.
Sorensen is trying to find fame by copying Monson's lame approach to journalism.
If you can't say something nice, then just call it a goat and apologize when you
are wrong.The problem is, TCU played WELL in both the AFA contest
and Clemson game. Both were in TERRIBLE weather that Sorenson should applaud
their effort.BYU faltered against FSU, but Oklahoma can't be tossed
out, that was a legit win.And Utah, while not the team from a year
ago is playing well with people that were at the bottom of their two-deep.So, there is more signs of strength and consistency from the big teams,
Wyoming has played well even though they lost, and while we aren't playing the
other AQ conferences as tough, we aren't playing the same teams either.Lame article. Try again
Mike, you're 100% correct when you write early on that the 2009 season results
aren't as good as 2008. But the rest? An overreaction. TCU is still
as good as they were last year. I hope you noticed the conditions the Frogs
faced at Air Force--put Florida in the cold and snow against the Cadets and
they'll only score 20, too. BYU is playing even better, the FSU debacle aside.
Utah's still playing a step down, but except for Oregon has found ways to win
anyway.Air Force and CSU are both better than their records
indicate. Wyoming's improved. So are the Aztecs, though they've still got a LONG
way to go. UNLV (pitiful) and New Mexico (TRULY pitiful) are the only drop-offs
from 2008.There's still a lot of football to play, and lots of time
to have TCU, BYU, and Utah all in the Top 25 while the Big Least and Awful Coast
Conference beat up on each other. So hang in there, Mike. Don't do anything
Yeah, this was a poor article. It really didn't seem that Mike took too much
time coming up with the same tired cliches.He's right about the
bottom two teams in the MWC. New Mexico and San Diego State are truly abysmal.
UNLV has the talent, but seemed to have quit in the last two games. They barely
lost to a Oregon State, that beat a very good Stanford team.So the
bottom two teams are worse then last years bottom teams. Here is the reality,
Mikes opinion is no better then anyone else, so why worry.
Boise beat Oregon 19-8 in one of the most boring and weird games I have ever
seen, neither team looked impressive and Oregon looked nothing like the team we
have all found out they really are, how does that constitute a rout? Plus, the
Utah and oregon game was a one touchdown game with Utah having a chance to tie
the game and then we all know how that played out...Cain interception. So in
your world that is being thumped? Boise is so overrated it is sick. They
schedule one good team every year, just one, and then play in the worst
conference, the WAC. Boise St?...Please
If the Mountain West is taking the BCS seriously, they need to do what they can
to bring Boise St into the conference.Say what you want about Boise,
but they are one of two teams to bust the BCS, and don't think that the BCS has
forgotten about them. This year they will go undefeated. The only
team now that stands in their way of another BCS berth is TCU, and that is only
because the MWC has two other good teams, whereas the WAC has 0. Oregon is great this year...don't know what games you guys have been watching.
It was a great win for Boise. And the Utes have and (seemingly)
always will play to the level of their competition. Not very good against
mediocre teams, and pretty solid against good teams. But Terrence Cain is the
key to that team, and once he is truly comfortable, they will roll. The Mountain West will be competitive again this year, but only with BYU, TCU,
and Utah. If Boise was in there too, we'd be calling them the "big 4" not the
"MWC does stink. If not for the Mighty Utes, there would not be a really good
team in the conference. Utes go to BCS games and the other teams like byu, new
mexico, wyoming, UNLV go to lesser bowls. We need to bring in some good football
trams to compete with Utah and get rid of some of the lame ducks.cougs, you owe your ranking to Utah and its dominate play that has brought
attention to the MWC. Without Utah, the MWC would be less than the WAC."You know, Utefan, they've got medication for that now. Aside from 2004
and 2008, the Utes have been a so-so football program, good to mediocre since
the '90s. You've no more carried the MWC than San Diego State or Wyoming. Reality check: The UTES owe THEIR reputation to the rest and best of the
MWC. Never heard of "football trams," but were the Utes in, say, the Big 12,
they'd be lucky to get to ANY bowl game most years. Those who actually know
their college football, those who can write legible sentences, and SANE Utah
fans all recognize that.
Thanks for the LAUGH! "BSU plays most of their schedule against teams that
could barely compete with 8 man high school football squads" I like where your
head's at. Some of those schools are really bad.
I couldn't agree mor. All the talk about the unfairness in the BCS and non-BCS
leagues isn't going to help the MWC find equality. When others look at the
conference they have positive things to say about the top three, and off and on
good comments on the mid level CSU, and Air Force. But the MWC is pulled down by
the have nots that haven't the support base, the facilities, nor the money to be
competitive. What has to happen to get the better teams into the BCS, into
BETTER bowls, and on the tube, is the dumping of the poorer teams? The MWC can
stand pat and be "nice" to the bitter 5, but doing so prevents the teams from
scheduling BCS teams, and playing for the Nat'l Championship. Consider the power
a league composed of BYU, Utah, TCU, CSU (although a loss to I-da-hoo, has them
on probation) Boise, Fresno, Tulsa, Houston, Air Force. After losing the
mushroom network and going to ESPN so the country knows these teams exist,
having a large market where the league team is the top college draw (Houston),
BCS is a lock.
This is a cup half empty type of article let’s look at the other side of
the class.The MWC has three legitimate top 25 teams who any given
week can beat a top 10 opponent. Go back 30 years in the MWC and the WAC and
you will not find three teams this good. When BYU had their run they were the
only team and the year that Utah went to the Fiesta bowl there was nobody else
to compete with.The big three get national props all the time, this
has been earned on the field. BYU 3 ten win seasons, victory over OK. Utah
Sugar Bowl win. TCU consistent victories, great defenses and win over BSU.People do not seem to remember what it was like when the Holiday Bowl
was as good as it could get and there was ZERO possibility of going to a New
Year’s Day Bowl. We are living in a great time for BYU/Utah Football.
Sorenson's article is right: BYU, Utah, and TCU are good, not great teams. At
best the remaining teams are decent, not good. Several teams from
the MWC may be rated at the end of the season, but that is more a reflection of
the strength of schedule.Oklahoma was a good win, but of the marquis
BCS schools has taken the big hit more than any other. Oklahoma, like Notre
Dame, gets way too much love prior to winning tough games.And to
this years Gordon Monson: Just because MSU and Vanderbilt are weak doesn't mean
any of the top three MWC teams would top the .500 mark in the SEC.Quality is more important than quantity.
Utah columnists stink. Most negative, arrogant lot anywhere. Switch BYU and TCU
and what are the odds this same article is written? Zero. We'd hear how great
What's with the self-loathing in the Rocky Mountains? Fans and media in the
other conferences are constantly trumpeting the power of their programs, even if
it's not true. In the Mountain West, the fans and media are always talking
apocalyptic, even if it's not true.
BUY can't be just good. They have a senior quarterback.
The real story here is Utah, by comparison to last season, stinks. So a Utah fan
writes a hatchet job on the entire MWC just to make himself feel better about
how lousy Utah is this season.TCU is doing great. A close win over
Air Force on an icy field, yes, but didn't Utah need a late game comeback to
beat Air Force in Colorado Springs last season. And the Frogs' OOC foes have
been much stronger than that pathetic Michigan team Utah beat.BYU
has a HUGE win over a team that played in the NC game just last January, a team
that has lost 2 games by a total of 2 points to 2 Top 20 teams, but Mr. Utah
Homer has written that game off as meaningless. Sure, BYU laid an egg against
FSU, but any objective football analyst can see that this season's BYU team is
MUCH BETTER than last year's team.Air Force, CSU and Wyoming are
better.NM, SDSU and UNLV are worse.Two of the top three
are better, one is worse, but since Sorensen is a Utah fan, the whole MWC
stinks, because his team stinks.
Oh baby ! I hope the cougars lay a serious beat down on the Utes in Provo this
year. Some of the Ute fans on these boards are so delusional it's pethetic. When
the cougars win out and win another conference championship it will be three of
the last four and two conference losses in the last three years ! "Gulp" it
could happen !
Big brothers have learned to simply ignore little brothers when they start
sticking out their tongues and calling their big brother names because big
brother knows that a simple scowl at little brother will send him screaming to
mommy to "save me."BYU fans would be wise to simply ignore all of
the mindless blather from this particular little brother.-----------------------------Much to Sorensen's chagrin, Boise
State will lose to Tulsa this Wednesday opening the door for the winner of the
BYU/TCU game to be the non-AQ BCS representative this season. This, of course,
will be a disappointment to Mike because it will steal the limelight from his
Your description of the MWC fits nearly every BCS conference: a few good teams,
a few decent teams, and a few lousy teams. What the MWC lacks is one powerhouse
team. (Last year, that was Utah.) That team could have been BYU had they
prepared (and we're talking about any preparation at all - shame on you Cougars)
Boise State is much better off playing in the WAC where they can continue to be
the one pony show.The MWC doesn't need the fratricide of a "big
four" beating up on each other and ensuring that the MWC champion always
finishes with one or two losses.Instead of seeing the MWC as much
stronger, the BCS elitists would just use this as "proof" that the top teams in
the MWC are weaker.
something you people fail to realize is, You can't invite teams like Boise State
in to the MWC because it has a good football team. When you consider all of the
University's athletic programs comparing BSU to top programs in the MWC is a
Joke. They would compare to say Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV etc... Another
thing to remember is, Tradition. There are so many things that go into college
atheletics that a lot of you people don't realize. You think that college
atheletics is the football team of that University. Would You consider Duke a
great atheletic University ? Oh, they have a great mens basketball program they
must be good at everything else. If the top teams in the MWC played those guys
in football each year, it would be a crushing defeat for the Dukey's year after
year. The point is, Pull your heads from the sand People and
realize that you need Universitys in the conference that support all of their
atheletic programs. It amazes me that San Diego State still has a football
program. All the teams in the MWC are in the conference because its the best
they can do !
Admit it, all of college football is down this year. I have wasted my past few
saturdays watching pathetic football from the college ranks. Last saturday
mighty LSU scores 3 points at home, Ole Miss scores 3 pts at home, Florida
scores 13 and Alabama scores 22. All from the mighty SEC. The Big 12 is way
down except maybe Texas. The Big 10 has maybe 2 decent teams not great teams
and the PAC 10 is so even any body can beat any body and none are great. So,
where are the really great teams? I will let the rest of the season play out
and maybe at the end a few will be identified but right now there aren't any.
It's seasons like this that scream for a playoff. With no truly dominant teams,
this is the kind of season that would be much more exciting if we had a 16-team
playoff to decide the national champion.
You people really need to get a life!
Finally, a Utah reporter who is actually sane and not root root rooting for the
home teams? This kind of reporting will do more to educate the fans in the
state of Utah than any article I've ever seen in the Des news. No matter what
you think, this story is pretty accurate. The MWC is bad and none of the top 3
would win any of the BCS conferences. As for Boise, if they played in a good
conference week in and week out or even the MWC, things wouldn't be so easy for
them. The mere fact that they scheduled UC Davis and had to score a late
touchdown to win 34-16 permits everyone to vote them lower than their record
would indicate and it is nobody's fault but their own for not scheduling strong
non-conference teams and that is....THE TRUTH
If Utah pulls a repeat of 2007 in Las Vegas this Saturday!
Boise State, Hawaii, and Utah (twice) have crashed the BCS. BYU
talks big, but show it on the field! Until you play in a BCS bowl game, you are
all just a bunch of whiney, wannabes, who are living in the past. 1984 was a
long time ago...
Mountain Worst Conferrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrce.
"Get a life" advice from a 20-something who sleeps on his parent's couch in the
What is proving to be a lucky win over Oklahoma and the rest of BYU's OOC
schedule is II-D caliber. I don't understand what you guys think you have
You must be drinking the BCS Koolaide, which comes under attack every year and
rightfully so. There's no way to know how our top teams would stack up against
the Florida's, Alabama's, Texas', etc. We don't play them. But when we have
played them in bowl games, like last year, the results have been pretty good.
So, please, please. Don't tell us MWC stinks this year. Your summation of how
teams stack up in the MWC could be said about most conferences. Stop drinking
My team is better than yours because.... blah blah blah. Lets just play the
game, be good sports and talk sports. I swear I just entered an elementary
school with all this name calling. BSU this, BYU that, Utah this.. wah wah wah.
Grow up people with the exception of Boise State, we will find out who is better
on the field. We don't need your predictions.
This is a glass half empty analysis. To say the season is "sorry" at such an
early point is misguided. In fact, TCU is as solid as ever, BYU (FSU game
excepting) is better than they were last year, and Utah is better than they were
expected to be after losing so many starters. Let's wait and see how the season
finishes up before saying such critical things.
BSU has a true home "field" advantage. Plus, they have very loyal fans. I doubt
that when their team doesn't win by the margin or style expected of them, the
fans don't bombard them as do "fans" of Utah and BYU.Beyond that,
BSU is the Hawaii of a few years ago. They seem to be the voters darlings, and
should they win out, they are likely to get invited to a major bowl based on
victories in one of the weakest schedules in recent memory.Should
justice prevail, they will drop a game or two and be ranked where they deserve,
somewhere between 12-20.
TCU is likely as good or better this year than last year, and BYU is much better
this year than last. Only Utah is performing worse than last year, and thats
saying something because last year was an amazing year for them. While the rest of the conference is down from last year, I can agree with
that, I think the Big 3 are arguably just as strong as last year, and did you
notice that we have all 3 in the top 25 now? Hmm, sounds like your article is a
little off base.
Sorry Mike, but you lost all credibility as a rational human being when you
posted in your game blog that Utah was dominating at the end of the first
quarter, but the score was 3-0.We can talk about leading in every
statistical category all day long, but ultimately it is the scoreboard that
Gee, isn't Mike just a sour person...I guess the glass is always half empty for
Let's see OOC competition. Both BYU and Utah played Utah State. Both lost to
decent programs, yes Florida State is not having a good year.Oregon is ok but
not great. Oklahoma is better than Louisville. Tulane does indeed suck, and the
scoreboard showed it. Utah had a great season last year, but will be challenged
this year with its toughest 2 games on the road. As for crashing the BCS, Utah's
was an accomplishment. Hawaii was a joke and Boise State got lucky. THe MWC is
still better top to bottom than the WAC. I am a Cougar fan, but I acknowledge
how great Utah's season was last year and it got the shaft by not being in the
Yes, it is true...the MWC is somewhat lame this year. The WAC is even better
than the MWC this year. The big three of the league are only good teams at
best...even TCU would get thumped if they played a legitamate top 20
team...simply don't have the offense to consistently win at that level. BYU has
already been exposed against talented teams with an offense, and Utah simply
doesn't have the fire power to play in the top 25. The rest of the MWC is
essentially not very good period. Lucky to win against average teams. May be
better in 2 or 3 years.
I live in California & have been a lifer BYU fan....but honestly I root for
every team from Utah because I believe that we just don't get credit for college
football accomplishments. National Media says that if a MWC team beats a top 10
team it is just a lucky win. I remember the days when BYU was the only team
that broght attention to the then WAC and later the MWC, and Utah has been so
strong the last few years with TCU adding to 3 solid teams in the MWC every
year. I will continue to cheer on every Utah and MWC team to do well, hoping
that we finally put all of the stupid comments to rest with a busted BCS and a
hybrid playoff program that silences EVERYONE and shows who is best.
Lots of WAC bashing and it is deserved, but why bash the WAC. They aren't the
ones preventing the MWC from playing in the national championship game. If
college football were to institute a 16 team playoff, the MWC could have three
teams in it this year, but it is likely the conference champion will get to play
the 4th place PAC 10 team in Vegas. Big whoop-de-doo!Utes had an
amazing year last year and they couldn't ven play for the national
championship.All you MWC fans, go ahead and keep on bashing the WAC,
but the WAC is not your real enemy. Use your energy to protest the BCS
Although it would make it more difficult each year for BYU, TCU, and Utah to run
the table for a BCS bid, welcoming a BSU to the conference is necessary for the
MWC to ever improve. AFA and CSU remain respectable league members for the
bottom of the league, but the conference is NOT on par with the BCS conferences
and probably won't be for a very long time if ever. To argue that the MWC or the
WAC leaders have as tough a road to a conference championship as a PAC-10 other
BCS conference is, well, silly. That doesn't make the argument for a
playoff any less weak. A good team, even if it is the only good team in its
league, should have a chance to decide their fate on the field, not in a
computer.After watching the BYU game on Saturday, I was reminded
again that, although the MWC will likely never get BCS status, at least we get
to enjoy 9+ entertaining wins each year from BYU and Utah. It could be SO much
worse. Sit back and enjoy it!
I know the ACC isn't that great, but who beat BYU? That was a poor FS team. I
would like to see the MWC play V Tech or Miami. I think Utah will get better as
the season progresses. They need to let Cain do his thing. They don't seem to
want to let him loose. BYU should win the rest of their games with the
exception of TCU or maybe Utah. TCU didn't impress me this weekend and if not
for their speed on defense BYU may just beat them. But, good luck to the MWC.
Byu plays well in their conference. They will rise up and beat an Oklahoma and
then lose to a Florida State. They need to be more consistent. I loved watching
Utah beat Alabama and having Barry Switzer look like a fool again. BSU got lucky
with Oregon. If they played again Oregon would win big.
You have such a short memory...let me refresh it, poinsetta bowl, armed forces
bowl, really Utah has been in some stinky bowls, when was the last time you beat
anyone in the top 3 in the country, BYU has done it THREE times! Utah...NEVER
The MWC is already better than Big Least conference. The MWC doesn't need BSU to
move to BCS status. That will be a certainty if TCU or BYU cracks BCS this
season. Watch for the Cotton Bowl to be added to the BCS mix by 2012 and the MWC
to become a BCS conference.
You sound like Gordon Monson of talk radio and SLTrib fame trying to get people
to call on the telephone. Toss out a fews mean spirited comments directed at
local teams and then wait for the phone. Not exactly good journalism.
Actually, pretty poor journalism. Are you and Gordon cousins?
The MWC is just fine. Sorenson just saw his team barely escape from Ft. Collins
and he's sees the writing on the wall. Utah is going to lose to teams that play
for 4 quarters. I bet Utah wishes they had Weber State on the schedule again.
Utah has beat teams with a combined record of 7-14. In fact the only team that
has a winning record, beat Utah!Oh no, here comes the Sugar Bowl
smack. OK great you beat a deflated Alabama team who had nothing to play for,
good job. The other BSC win was against a pathetic 8-3 19th ranked Pittsburg
team. Wow half the MWC could have won that game.
worst article i've read all week
Can't wait until Wednesday until Boise State / Tulsa. This probably the best
test of BSU for the rest of the year - the WAC stinks (there are only 2 teams
with winning records on BSU remaining schedule out of 8 games). Conf USA is a
weak conference, too - it's strength of schedule is actually far worse than the
WAC-job conference, so saying Tulsa is their toughest opposition isn't saying
much. I'm sure if they lose they'll argue that they had a short
week but when you play JuCo caliber teams, I don't have a lot of sympathy for
your gut-wrenching schedule. Besides Tulsa, that perennial powerhouse of
college football, the Idaho Vandals, also lurks on the horizon (to the Vandal's
credit, they did schedule a PAC-10 game but got crushed by Washington & the
Sark). Here's hoping that either Tulsa (and) / or Idaho take BSU
down - I can't stand to see such a cream puff schedule get rewarded with a BCS
game. Although, watching BSU get slapped around by USC, Alabama, or LSU would
be very entertaining. I'll have to clear my schedule on Wednesday for ESPN360
I love the BYU haters on this website, seriously so desperate for attention and
hanging onto the past. Utah guess what good for you guys you had a great team
and won 2 BCS games, no one discredits that, you made the MWC look OK. I cannot
believe how childish you are about proving... proving what? What would you like
a BYU fan to say? Utah you are better than BYU? We will find out the last game
of this year, the past plays no factor with the present. So please stop making
yourslef look dumb, try and beat a top 5 team THIS YEAR, remember I said THIS
YEAR, so no need to dip back in the past which you are so good at refering to
because you do not want to refer to this year and the loss to Oregon that even
overrated BSU beat. BYU lost to FSU, Utah lost to Oregon and TCU barley beat
Virgina and Clemson... Trust me, no one has room to talk trash- no one is that
great, not this year.
RE: bicker bickerWelcome to the classy world of Deseret News
posters. As far as I'm concerned the "great" reviews mimick the article.
Agree, this article is very thought out. And it does sound like Gordon
Monson....but he is worse. I won't listen to that station anymore cause take
pride on being contradicting to everyone even if they aren't correct.
Utah is the only team in mwc thatcould beat bsu. Utah is betterthanall but 5 or
6 teaqms in thecountry.I LOVE MY UTES AND IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD JUMP ON
THE BAD WAGON!!!!
Ummmm... really? Sorenson, your article does not have any basis to it
whatsoever. Relatively speaking about last year's great season for the MWC they
may have slid a little, but to say that the MWC "just stinks"? Wow... I'm
speechless. For a non-AQ conference, having 3 consistent top 25 teams is not too
shabby. As far as the rest of the conference, don't all conference's have cellar
dwellers? Look how far the MWC has come since its inception... Granted I don't
think it deserves to be an AQ conference... but its safe to say that right now
it is the strongest non-AQ conference. And they don't "Stink". Come on bud...
The 2008 Ute football team is the greatest team there ever was!
Most of the MWC stinks. The top 3 are holding their own, but is that because
they are so great or the rest are so bad. Then again, TCU is doing
better than they did last year. And BYU is doing at least as good as they did
last year so far. But Utah has slipped. Actually, this might just be
a top 2 league this year. I'm not convinced a stinky bottom-dweller can't knock
off the unimpressive brand of stinky Utes that have turned out this year.
I think New Mexico will win out the rest of their games.
Wyoming hasn't beat anyone yet!!!! They barely beat Weber St.; they barely beat
UNLV; they barely beat Florida Atlantic, and the crushed UNM???? Texas and
Colorado killed them!!! Wait until they play TCU, BYU, U of U, and AFA. Then
they will have a losing record!
WOW, what an article.. I guess opinions are like.. Well you know what... So, if
BYU had not lost to FSU then what would everybody be saying? Why is BYU only
getting credit for losing to FSU and no credit for beating OU?? Strange.. TCU is
undefeated, and UTAH has 1 loss and that was on the road @ Oregon and only by 7.
How many ranked teams does the MWC have to have be considered "Not Lousy" 4,
5?? How many does C-USA or the WAC have? hmmm.. I'd say it's a tad early to be
saying the MWC is sorry.. Every conference has there lousy teams and the MWC is
no different than the SEC, BIG 12, ACC, etc.. So why are we labeling the MWC as
lousy??? I don't get it...
Not a good article, I bet at the end of the season when TCU goes to a BCS game
and wins HE himself will be writing an article saying how great a year was for
the MWC. He is just trying to make money and has nothing to write about. Agree
with the guy that said he wrote an article last year about how overrated Utah
was last year, then look at how they humiliated Alabama!
Freudian slip of the fingers!!!But, thanks for the laugh!
I heard all of you last year going on and on about how well the MWC did against
the Pac-10, but this year all I hear is......SILENCE. Be fair, if you say it
one year you have to at least acknowledge it the next year.
Three teams ranked in the top 25!nuf said
Actually, this year, the WAC is the reason why a MWC team (namely, TCU) is not
in line for a BCS bid. TCU is already behind BSU, who hasn't really had to plan
anyone of note (with the exception of a clearly dysfunctional Oregon team in
week 1) - their conference, and thus by extension their schedule, is pretty
pathetic. *IF* TCU wins out and goes undefeated, it will be a shame
that a MWC team who played / beat Virginia & Clemson on the road (also meaning
that TCU would have beaten BYU in Provo) would lose the bid to someone who
played only 3 non-juco (eg, teams with winning records - I'm stretching it here)
teams all year long - with both Oregon and Idaho AT HOME. Tulsa will be their
only real road challenge, and my guess is that (with all the rest they get
playing in the WAC) it won't be all that hard to beat Tulsa on the road (I mean,
really, the blind squirrel...).Clearly the MWC has had some quality
non-conf wins this year (BYU v OU, TCU versus abovementiond ACC teams). But,
Soreson's right, not like last year.
What a joke! You were just waiting for the MWC to have a down year so you could
bash them. No fun to write positive stories. Easier to be critical and get the
fan bases all stired up. Retire already. Your stuff is getting old. The MWC has
three teams ranked again this year, two for over half the season, and you bash
them. Name another season, outside of last year, the MWC had two or three teams
ranks, let alone a top 10 team? The Big 12 is 4-7 against bcs teams, while Big
10 is 5-8. The MWC's three-year record against BCS teams is better than the Big
10, Big 12, Big East and right behind ACC. Oh wait, you can bash other leagues
or even make reasonable or factual comparisons.That would take work to look up.
You only give the MWC a hard time for not being 10-6 again this year and having
three team in top 10 like SEC. Wait MWC has 3 in AP top 25, tied with Big 10 &
ACC & more than Pac 10 & Big East.
re: funny - We humble MWC posters needn't blab on and on about how the MWC is
better than the Pac-10 because the national media is doing that for us (3 ranked
MWC teams, 2 ranked Pac-10 teams). I'm not saying the MWC is better than the
PAC-10 (because the bottom of the MWC is awful) but the teams at the top are
about even this year.In fact if you take the top four teams in the
MWC, TCU #12, BYU #18, Utah #24, AF (unranked), and compare them to the top 4 in
the Pac-10, Oregon #13, USC #6, Stanford (unranked), Oregon State (unranked), it
looks pretty even. If you paired these teams nobody would be remotely surprised
if the MWC went 3-1. Only one Big Three MWC team has played a pac-10 opponent
and first place Oregon barely eeked out a win at home against third place Utah
and lost to BSU. Oregon State needed a last second field goal to beat UNLV (who
BYU just destroyed). Stanford has already lost to Oregon State and the mighty
football powerhouse Wake Forest. USC lost to Washington. Does that
fill the silence?
NO, Boise State is the reason why the MWC MAY NOT get a BCS berth. The rest of
the WAC is still just a mediocre as usual.
They won't leave the WACked. Why leave a cupcake conference where you get to
play Div. 3 teams? It's perfect. You schedule one real opponent, and then for
the rest of the season, you're up against high school caliber squads paving an
easy path to the BCS.At least in the MWC, you have to face some
ranked teams along the way. It's a lot more of a test to play TCU, BYU, and
Utah than Idaho or UC Davis.
Couldn't agree more. It is ridiculas how the cougs and Utes think they have
been slighted. The Big XII alone has 6 teams that would rule the WAC.
Y fans need to come to terms that BYU has assumed the role of little brother in
recent years. Sure, Coogs have 1984 but over the past 10 years Utah has more
overall wins, head to head wins, bowl wins, BCS wins etc.Boise State
= good team & bad fans. However, the MWC needs one more good team for AQ
Any team can beat any team on any given Saturday(Utah over Alabama, and BYU over
Oklahoma), but the majority of the MWC is absolutely pathetic. BCS conferences
look at us the way we look at the WAC. Utah went undefeated last year and wanted
to be crowned national champs, but comparing 13-0 in MWC to a 12-1 SEC isn't
fare. Last year Utah escaped in some very close games to bad/average
teams(Airforce, New Mexico, Michigan(still a good win), and Oregon State). If
Utah played the way it did against Airforce or New Mexico last year but was at
Auburn/LSU/South Carolina/Georgia/Ole Miss instead, Utah undoubtedly would have
lost. Just like Steve Spurrier said there was no Vanderbilt in the NFL, there
are no UNLV or New Mexicos in the SEC. Going undefeated only makes you as good
as the teams you beat. BYU, TCU, and Utah are given 6 to 7 wins a year becaused
the MWC sucks and 2 of the 4 non conference teams the play suck. If you want
respect dump Utah State and Weber State off the schedule and play 4 BCS schools
BYU has beaten teams ranked in the top 3 three times in the very first game of
the season. Pre-season ranking mean nothing and educated football fans know
that. Oops, Mendenhall has already said BYU fans are uneducated. Well, you
proved it.None of those top 3 teams BYU has beaten finished any
where near the top. You people really are, well...uneducated.
Does anyone Love having TCU join our league like I have? That was a serious
pick-up. Lets pry Boise State from the WAC and Colorado from the Big 12. Lets
release a few teams from the bottom of our league. That league would ROCK!
The 2009 season is only half finished, so obviously no one, including you, knows
where Oklahoma is going to finish this season. #1 ranked Miami (when
BYU played the Hurricanes) finished 3rd in 1990, and won the National
Championship in 1991.An educated person, even with only a 2nd grade
education, would know that finishing 3rd is pretty close to finishing in the Top
Wyoming will finish in the top 3 of the MWC this year, changing "the Top 3" to
the "Top 4". Next year, All 19 freshmen that are starting for the pokes this
year will be sophomores and they will win the MWC. In two years, they will win
a bcs bowl. You heard it here first.
I laugh whenever I see people talk about "prying" Colorado from the Big 12. Why
would a team want to leave an BSC conference to go to a non-AQ conference? Get
real, people. Colorado does NOT want to leave the Big 12 for the likes of the
MWC.Boise St. might jump at the chance to join the MWC, but I really
don't think that's going to happen any time soon.
Veel geluk!I'll believe that when I see it. In two
years, the Cougars will mostly be led by Jake Heaps and one of the strongest
recruiting classes in BYU history.
Guess the author was right.Foxsports power rankings for week 6.Boise State at 13TCU at 18No BYUNo UtahAnd this is from Fox sports- the most trusted name in news!
Colorado to the MWC? No way. Utah is more likely to end up in the Big 12 North
to replace Mizzou or Iowa St going to the Big 10.Oh, and the Provo
Pussycats have two more losses at home coming -- to the Frogs and the Utes.
They may even get their heads handed to them by Air Force.
Nice try, but Fox Sports rankings aren't even included in the BCS rankings
re: ute fan | 1:15 p.m. Oct. 12, 2009when was the last time you beat
anyone in the top 3 in the country, BYU has done it THREE times! Utah...NEVER-------------BYU beat 3 top-3 teams in the final rankings? I
don't think so. Please name them and the year. Miami is all I
remember back in 1990 so congratulations you are one big powerhouse program.When was the last time BYU went undefeated? 1984... true but how many
ranked teams they beat that year? Zero? Hmmm pretty impressive.Utah beat 2 top 7 teams in the country last year: TCU and Bama.But
I guess its more impressive that BYU won back in the early 90s. No wonder your
fan base is celebrating at airports without winning a shiny new trophy over a
"when was the last time you beat anyone in the top 3 in the country, BYU has
done it THREE times! Utah...NEVER "Let me ask you a question. Has
Byu ever defeated a team that was ranked in the top 3 (or even top 10) at the
end of the season? We all know preseason rankings are a joke. Your victories
over "top 3" teams, were teams ranked only in top 3 at the beginning of the
season, not and the end of the season and not even ranked in the top 3 mid-way
through the season. Sorry but not impressed.
" love the BYU haters on this website, seriously so desperate for attention and
hanging onto the past"Utah hanging on to the past?? You are joking
right? It is Byu that hangs on to the past. They have been hanging on to their
1984 NC since, well, 1984. What a hypocrite!!! I guess I actually should not be
suprised, you are after all a Byu fan...
LOL. You've got a wonderful sense of humor. Utah in the Big 12? The Big Ten
opening up to include Iowa State? (I'll bet you've got a REALLY funny
explanation for THAT lose-lose move for all involved! Guess that's what's so
hilarious about it!) The Utes defeating BYU in LES, the way both teams have been
playing? Funny, funny stuff! Hilarious! You should write for
Conan, Big B!Hint: Leave out the TCU part. THAT one's actually
possible. The rest of it--you couldn't write better comedy. Love it! Keep it
coming, Big B!
BSU is not a no 5 team. They would get blasted by Utah, BYU and TCU. I think
you will see in the coming years as BYU is playing them for about 5 years
running......BYU 5, Boise STate 0......BYU is the best team in the MWC year in
and year out. Utah had a good season last year, but only do this about every 4
years.......I think TCU is a good team but not a No. 9 team either. If they are
AFA should be a no 20 team.............
When was the last time Utah finished in the Top 25 three seasons in a row?
Ok Faux, let's look at Anderson and Hester- a BCS poll.BSU - .804 -
Ranking 4TCU - .756 - Ranking 10Idaho - .691 - Ranking
20BYU - .677 - Ranking 23Utah - .675 - Ranking 24Yes the Mountain West sux! The WAC has the third toughest
schedule after Sun Belt .525 and Pac 10 at .513. Boise State the one of only 3
teams to beat a top 10 team. BYU doesn't count because Chokelahoma is not now
in the top 10. That was a fluke but zoobie fans will always say they beat a top
Boise State - 6TCU - 9Utah - 21BYU - 23Oklahoma -
17Looks like the majority of major pollsters don't agree Bill's assessment
above.Last time BSU played Utah- September 30, 2006BSU 36
Utah 3 Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Utah went 8-5 that year but Boise dominated!
All of this is exactly why there should be no polls of any kind until October.
NOBODY knows how good ANYBODY is until then. We only know how good we THINK
they'll be, and that's nothing to base a poll on. The bottom of the
MWC is very weak, but strong and more competitive at the top than most
conferences, and the WAC is BSU and the 8 dwarfs--total joke after BSU.
EVERYBODY knew that if they beat Oregon in game 1 that it'd be an easy walk to a
BCS game, and the winner of the MWC will deserve it more whoever it is.As for the ACC/Big East...can anyone forget that compelling matchup of
VaTech/Cinn in the Orange Bowl? It got lower TV ratings than the Toilet Bowl,
and while it was officially a sell-out, about 20,000 of those people came
dressed as empty seats. I still got MWC as better more BCS worthy than those 2,
Didn't TCU blow out BYU last year?
Let's see...BSU manhandled Oregon this year and beat them last year at Autzman.
Yewts??? I know the Uwe fans like to say that last year was with Oregon's 12th
string QB. Course, they never mention that BSU's Kellan Moore was a freshman
and they don't offer an excuse as to how the freshman ripped apart the Oregon
FIRST STRING defense...in Autzman.Great logic when you say that BSU
would get blasted by Utah this year. You Yoot and YBU fans are always a hoot
when it comes to logic.True BSU lost hard to TCU in the bowl last
year but they lost to the best team in the MWC. If not for a boneheaded FG
kicker botching 2 chip shots in Salt Lake it would have been them in the
limelight, not the Yewts. Props to the Ewe for seizing the moment and knocking
an uninterested Alabama on their butt, but TCU was the best team in the MWC last
year. We'll see how they play the Yoo in Texas this year.
I wish we could beat a top 3 team sometime during my life. That would be totally
Re: RE:BillBSU "manhandled" Oregon this year? Even with a very impressive
defensive showing by BSU this was not exactly a blow out. I suppose what one
person translates "manhandled" is different than another. Logic?
BSU fans feel a sense of entitlement due to the school's W-L record the last 10
years. However, there are 2 problems that BSU has placed on themselves (yes BSU,
not the COUNTRY) that will forever remain until the football team and coaches
change the nation's perspective of the football program:1. BSU does
not schedule more than one BCS school per year, then beats up on D2 schools
(jury is out on the WAC: D2 or not?) You cannot build a program beating up on
inferior competition. One win over an ok BCS school each year does not do
it.2. When given the chance to show you are elite you fold in Bowl
games. Granted, the BCS win is not included in this scenario, but a 1-5 record
in the last 6 bowl games doesn't prove anything. That is what holds
your program back, in my opinion, from being who you think you are.
Not only did Miami end that season ranked 3rd but they were national champs the
year before and the year after - 4 straight years finishing in the top 3 in both
polls.Year Team Overall Coaches AP 1989 Miami 11—1 1
1 1990 Miami 10—2 3 3 1991 Miami 12—0
2 1 1992 Miami 11—1 3 2 You are right, a
pre-season ranking meant nothing.44-4 record during that 4 year
period is pretty impressive for Miami. But not as impressive as that beat down
Ty and the boys applied on national TV. I can hear the Tysman rap right now :-)
I loved the part with their QB calling home and his dad acted like he didn't
know who he was after the game. Priceless!!!
Utes have rose colored glasses when they claim to be the MWCs best.Overall 1999-currentBYU 83-47; .638UoU 88-37; .704TCU 96-32;
.750 - 2yrs WAC; 4yrs CUSAMWCBYU 54-22; .711UoU 51-24;
.680TCU 26-7; .788 - 5yrs MWCIn 11 years TCU has shown to be
most consistent out of the 3. Questionable schedule strength comparatively for
6 yrs in WAC/CUSA but either way since joining the MWC they are Top of the
MWC.BYU is #2 in conference and this includes the darkest era of BYU
football in 40yrs (2002-2004).Overall makes Utah look better but BYU
usually has tougher OOC (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, WA, AZ, OU) heads East more
(BC, VA, GTech, FSU, ND) and frequently plays tougher bowl opponents (not
including Fiesta/Sugar) with PAC10 teams (OR, Cal, ASU, UCLA). Goes back to
what LaVelle used to do-schedule tough OOC to better prepare for conference
play.BYU has left the dark era, Utah will continue with their cyclic
nature, TCU may find it harder as conference opponents start to figure them out.
But for now the order goes TCU/BYU/UoU.Go Cougars!
You guys are funny, comparing teams like you have like it is going to win you a
trophy or something haha. My team is better than yours!! *sticks out tongue*
Ahhhh so mature around these parts.Anywho as it stands right now,
TCU is undefeated, Utah and BYU both have one losses. TCU has the chance to go
to a BCS bowl, Utah and BYU do not regardless of what sort of scenario you would
like to throw out there.. BYU you are not going to a BCS bowl. The top 3 will
play soon and you can see how they fair against each other. It is that simple,
all this babble about rankings is contradictory because as a non-bcs team we are
declaring the rankings and SOS to be subjective and biased, yet we use those
same measurements as indicators of who is better. Hypocrites.
BYU1-13 against AP Top 5 (Miami)2-15 against Coaches Top 5 (Miami,
Air Force)Utah0-7 against AP Top 50-7 against Coaches
Top 5----------------------------BYU's toughest schedule
ever:1991, when BYU played five Top 25 teams, including three in the
Top 10, with only one of those games at home.AP/Coaches#4/4
Florida State 28-44 (Pigskin Classic)#19/18 @UCLA 23-27#3/3 @Penn St
7-33#25/24 Air Force 21-1#10/10 Iowa 13-13 (Holiday Bowl)With an 8-3-2 record (52-52 tie @SDSU), BYU finished the season ranked
schedule ever:2008, when Utah played four Top 25 teams, including
two in the Top 10, with three of those games at home.#18/19 Oregon
State 31-28#7/7 TCU 13-10#25/21 BYU 48-24#6/6 Alabama 31-17
(Sugar Bowl)With a 13-0 record, Utah finished the season ranked
A not so unrealistic scenario for BYU to play in a BCS game THIS SEASON:Boise State loses at Tulsa tomorrow nightBYU beats TCU at homeBYU beat Utah at homeBYU finishes 11-1 and ranked in the Top 10BYU
finishes ahead of the Big East champion in the final BCS rankings.BYU gets
the non-AQ BCS invite as the highest ranked non-AQ team
Nice stats.Add to that - Utah has been East of the MWC foot print
only 5 times for regular season OOC games. Indiana ('01); Michigan ('02 & '08);
TxA&M ('03); Louisville ('07).TCU wasn't in the conf in 2003 so
TxA&M was outside the foot print so we'll give it to them.BYU (11
times) - FSU ('00); Virginia ('00); Syracuse ('00); Miss St ('01); GTech ('02);
ND ('03 & '05); BC ('06); Tulsa ('07); OU ('09); Tulane ('09)These
are the number of teams they've played from the AQ-BCS conferences and Notre
Dame (home and away) regular season only:Utah (25)Big10=4Big12=2Pac10=15BigEast=2ACC=2SEC=0ND=0BYU (29)Big10=0Big12=1Pac10=12BigEast=2ACC=9SEC=2ND=3BYU also had LSU scheduled for H/A series but
Crowton, as a new head coach, asked to back out of it.Looks like BYU
is more willing to travel to play tougher competition.re: woot woot
| 12:29The stats from anonymous are facts...which means they were played
out on the field.TCU is 1BYU is 2Utah is 3
Are those final season rankings you used?If so we'll see where OU
ends up (very possibly top 5).If they are game time rankings we
can't forget Pitt.
So how many things you have no control of are you counting on again? BSU
losing.. BYU finishing in the Top 10.. Finishing ahead of the Big East Champion,
btw two are undefeated. Why would they invite VYU to a BCS bowl with one loss
vs. another bcs team? you honestly think they will take them over likes of USC,
Oregon, Ohio State?
Tough Opponent: Very well put and completely consistent with my hypothesis that
if BYU was in a power conference and had to play 4 to 6 top 25 teams every year,
they would be a .500 team in that league. It has also been my hypothesis that
Utah has come the closest to proving they could do better. 2008 definitely
demonstrated that.Assuming that that they won most of their
non-conference games, this would put BYU at 7-5 or 8-4 in in the Big-12 South or
SEC East. In spite of the all the opposition my comments engender
when I post, all of the actual evidence is in complete support of my stated
hypothesis. The only area were MWC fans have a leg to stand on is that in some
years the MWC plays as well as the Big East and ACC. You can't have
it both ways: cry for the elimination of the BCS and out of the other side of
your mouth say that you deserve to be a BCS conference.I stand for
the elimination of the BCS and would love to see any MWC team make it through
So team A has a tougher OOC than team B.. factsBYU is out of the dark
era.. factsPrediction of what each team will do this year.. factshaha sure thing buddy.. Oh one more thing.. what a team did in the
past does not mean that is what the team will do in the future.Players change constantly and coaches change as well.. expect different things
from those coaches.. which makes it hilarious when you hear about the leap year
theory for Utah and the BCS. However, it seems to overlooked that a coaching
change coincided with this down period between the two BCS titles. I am not
saying that is the reason, but seems to be overlooked and I guess that is just
What a list of complaints about Boise State when the MWC schools won't even let
them in because they don't want another loss on their record. And then the
posters say that BSU is no good. Look at each one of your teams in the MWC, they
are the ones saying they don't want another loss on their record. Ask your MWC
teams if they will schedule BSU and see what answer you get. The teams have
respect for BSU even if the fans don't.
Sorry but the wAC still is awful this year. BSU is the only WACV team that
could keep it close with the top 3 in the MWC this year. Heck Nevada a likely
top 3 WAc team this year was destroyed by CSU. It took CSU putting in their
scrubs foir Nevada to even score. The WAC has 2 wins vs BCS teams this year and
might get one more and will easily add 2 more losses. the WAC is 16-18 OOC this
year. They have 9 of those wins vs FCS teams. technically they have beaten
only 7 D-1 teams OOC. their bottom 3 NMSU, Hawaii and either USU or SJSU would
likely lose to NM, UNLV (beat Hawaii already), and SDSU (beat NMSU already).
their top 3 BSU, Neavda, and Fresno stink outside of BSU. Neavda has already
lost to CSU likely 5th place MWC team and Fresno is what? 1-3 OOc losing to an
overated cinci team that has played nobody and an overated Wisky team that
finally played someone and was beat badly. the MWC is down this year but we are
not that far off from some BCS teams.
Nice job. Somebody has to show the U trolls that there are better teams out
there, even within their own conference. I don't know what the U trolls on this
board think happened from 2005 to 2007, either--seems a lot of Crimson Club
wannabes forget a relapse into good-but-not-great those years.The
case isn't strong for BYU this decade (thanks again, Crowton), but for those of
us with LONG memories, BYU's still owned Utah ever since the mid-'70s. Funny how
the U trolls' memory begins in 2003...I also agree--ever since TCU
joined the MWC, it's now clearly the conference's most formidable member. (U
trolls, PLEASE promise me you'll keep bragging how great your team is after you
get your behinds kicked 45-10 in Fort Worth on Nov. 14.) Adding the Frogs
boosted the conference to BCS-level respectability. When Boise State loses to
Tulsa or at Hawaii (Cal-Davis showed they're vulnerable), TCU will have the
inside track to bust the BCS. Sorry, BYU in a couple of weeks, but it's their
MWC's OOC numbers-Total current win loss OOC record 20-15 likely
will be 21-15-Wins without FCS teams 5, 15-15 likely to be 16-15-BCS
record 5-9-Road wins 7-Total current win loss OOC record
16-18 likely to add another 4 losses and maybe one win since Fresno plays a real
crappy illinios team later on-Wins without FCS teams 9, 7-18 likely to end
up 7-22-BCS record 2-9 will be 3-12 or 2-13-Road wins 3 could have 4
raod winsYou can see it still isn't even close.BSU fans
the TCU bowl game was close only in score outside of that you were manhandled on
both sides of the ball. BSU's best defensive player that game was TCU's offense
giving the ball away. If TCU played even half as good as they did vs BYU and
Utah BSU would have lost by at least 2 TD's.
First off to even consider your flawed hyposthesis you would have to somehow
figure in the effect that would be a given to BYu if they had a BCs label and
BCS funding. BYU's overall recruiting would likely substantially increase and
the overall quality of players and depth would likely have to be adjusted
accordingly. further more if BYU was a member of a power conference they could
also do as the power teams do and schedule a pansy OOC because beating a bunch
of FCS teams and lower level MAC, WAC, etc teams and just pretend that it is
because you play so many actual good teams (regardless if they prove it on the
field or not). all that would make it much more likely that BYU could and would
do better than you actually think. by the way which BCs league has 6 top 25
teams? and lest be relaistic most BCS leagues will not have even 4 top 25 teams
by seaosns end and most teams are given the top level status not by who they
beat but by their BCs label. By the way what is this evidence you suggest is
"completely consistent with my hypothesis that if BYU was in a power conference
and had to play 4 to 6 top 25 teams every year, they would be a .500 team in
that league"The problem with your hypothesis is you're only
considering the disadvantage of playing a tougher schedule, but completely
ignoring all of the advantages BYU would gain by playing in the SEC.Such as: --10 times more television revenue--much better
national exposure--home and home games with their toughest opponents
instead of having to play most of them on the road--better bowl tie-ins--a real opportunity to play for the National Championship--better
opportunities to recruit speedy athletes from SEC recruiting hot beds
"...if BYU was in a power conference and had to play 4 to 6 top 25 teams every
year, they would be a .500 team in that league. It has also been my hypothesis
that Utah has come the closest to proving they could do better. 2008 definitely
demonstrated that."2008 was ONE YEAR--one where the Utes won 5 games
by a touchdown or less, and should have also beaten Weber State by more than 16.
Put the 2008 Utes in the Big 12 or Pac-10 and they're 7-5 or 6-6. Also, what
does Utah's record from 2005-07 demonstrate? Or Utah's record from 1990 to 2003?
HINT: It shows the Utes are up-and-down, good but not great. In
fact, Utah would fare no better than BYU in a "power conference." Moreover,
without the traditional two or three MWC cellar-dwellers, combined with
ramped-up conference competition, Utah would have that many fewer wins. BYU probably wouldn't do better. But they wouldn't do worse, either. My
word against yours, SEC Saint. You need MUCH better tests for your hypotheses.
BYU BCS ScenariosI keep hearing this comment about the BCS not
"taking" a one loss BYU, as if someone has to choose to take BYU. Nobody is
saying BYU would get selected as an at-large, they're saying BYU would earn an
auto-bid. BYU just has to be the highest non-AQ and in the top 12 in the BCS
rankings and they're in. It's a lock, not a choice. To be the highest non-AQ
Boise state has to lose and BYU has to win out (thereby beating TCU). That's
it. Go BYU, Go Tulsa. As for being ranked higher than an AQ
conference, that's only a requirement if BYU wants to get an auto-bid as the top
Non-AQ with a BCS ranking in the 12-18 range. This is also a possibility, but
would probably require a multiple loss Big East Champ as well as a BSU loss. I
don't think BYU will need this option because I'm confident a win over TCU and
Utah (combined with the OU win) would put them in the top-12.
Thats a joke that you dont think TCU is a great team. Wait till they win thier
I'd love it if BYU managed to bust the BCS anyway--but I'm not going to
disappoint myself by expecting anything and chalking up a bunch of "what-ifs"
that may or may not happen. The fact is, there are SO many things
that would have to happen in the next few weeks--AND the only way an 11-1 BYU
would ever go is IF: a) the BCS selection committee IS LEGALLY
OBLIGATED to take the Cougars, b) BYU rises significantly in the polls,
c) FSU wins the rest of their games, making that catastrophic loss
semi-respectable, AND d) a rash of upsets eliminates all other at-large
teams ahead in line, particularly Boise State and Notre Dame. Even
then, BYU getting in would always carry an asterisk. Worse, it would be used to
legitimize the BCS system, since the head honchos could show that a 1-loss
mid-major can in fact still get into a BCS bowl. It's a short-term benefit that
would lead to a long-term disaster--thereby perpetuating the BCS system instead
of revolutionizing it.We don't need that. Right?
Uh, SEC Saint... Sorry, BYU doesn't even have one year. That was
the point, neither would consistently be better than 7-5 or 8-4. Utah has at
least one year where they have played to that level.Welcome to
Jeff Sagarin football ratings for both Mtn West and WAC.8 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 69.83 69.75 9 WESTERN
ATHLETIC (A) = 66.97 68.05They are not very far apart
statistically. If you say the WAC stinks then you must admit that the MTN West
stinks as well. Many games to go and the WAC just might be on top by the end of
On the one hand: "Sorry, BYU doesn't even have one year. That was the point,
neither would consistently be better than 7-5 or 8-4. Utah has at least one year
where they have played to that level."On the other, to repeat "Uh"
above: "2008 was ONE YEAR--one where the Utes won 5 games by a touchdown or
less, and should have also beaten Weber State by more than 16."Um--SEC Saint, you want to explain MUCH more clearly why you think 2008 was
really such a "banner year" for the Utes? No doubt you're referring partly to
'Bama. Great game. But you're ALSO talking about entire seasons. Since the Utes struggled in victories over at least 6 non-SEC opponents in
2008, and no reasonable person believes the MWC top-to-bottom is on par with the
SEC, it calls into question your argument that the 2008 Utes would have done
better than 7-5 or 8-4 in the SEC. Actually, the Utes have usually hit about 8-4
*IN THE MWC* over the past decade.Could you please re-test that
hypothesis using your best Kentucky methodology? Thanks!
You need to take off the SEC-biased blinders long enough to see that with equal
resources, BYU and Utah would be just as competitive in the SEC as the rest of
the top SEC teams.I'd love to see Florida and LSU trek to BYU and
Utah every year and see just how successful they'd be facing teams that are just
a big and just as talented. You're only kidding yourself if you
think BYU and Utah wouldn't start landing some of those SEC country athletes as
soon as they could see that they'd have the same opportunities playing in Utah
as they do playing in Florida. The talent gap that now exists would quickyl
TCU, BYU and Utah > Boise StateThree Top 25 teams > One Top 25
teamMWC > WAC
until a few more weeks. further more the WAC has zero chance unless a mondern
day miracle actually occurs to seperate themselves since they have already
flopped in OOC games. In fact it is way more likely that they will drop further
once they lose in blow out fashion to their last remaining OOC games. further
more their appears to be actualy parity in the WAC teasm 2-9 and that could
spell a lot of .50 or less records since most of the teams in the WAC barely met
a 1-3 thanks to FCS games records. Unless the WAc has a few teams win 8 or 9
games (unlikely) their standing as far as conference rankings are concerned will
pull them down now that they have to play each other.
5:20. One question for you: If what you say is true, explain Kentucky?They share the BCS money, they have the facilities, they recruit in the
same areas, and they occasionally knock off one of the big teams. I
don't get why you think margin of victory is so important. They one didn't
Oh Bill - read the polls! | 12:50 a.m. Oct. 13, 2009Last time BSU played
Utah- September 30, 2006BSU 36 Utah 3Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Utah went 8-5
that year but Boise dominated!--------------You are right BSU
did dominate a medicore Utah team that year. BSU finished that year finished #5
at 13-0. Something Utah toped in 2008 13-0 #2.Here's something you
can laugh at:How about being ranked #16 2008 while printing "Quest
for Perfection" t-shirts in the 2008 preseason and then getting spanked by...7-5 Arizona 3110-2 BYU 21
If Utah fan's memory only goes back 10 years, BYU fan's only goes back 25. So Y
fans might as well look at the head to head series from the beginning... Utah
still owns little brother.Also consider that BYU's one undefeating
season includes zero victories over ranked teams. On the other hand, both of
Utah's undefeated seasons include wins over ranked opponents.
Oh brother, grow up everyone. Can't we just all agree that BYU has had the best
football program over their history and Utah has had the best basketball program
in their history? Banter back and forth is childish. Utah has not even gotten
close to winning the championships BYU has in football, and same for Utah in
basketball and NCAA runs.
"BYU owns Utah" really? How???Utah vs BYU head-to-head...1999-2008 10 years: Utah 6-51988-2008 20 years: Utah 11-101978-2008 30 years: BYU 19-12Conclusion: Yes, if your
38 years and older not if your 25 and younger.
"Utah has not even gotten close to winning the championships BYU has in
football"If you call being the ONLY undefeated college football team
in the nation at 13-0 and beating 2-top 7 teams in the nation in 2008... vs1984 team being handed the title after beating ZERO teams
that were ranked...Not close then you are 100% right.BYU
has to win at least a first round game before they can even start talking about
basketball.Utah's 1940's basketball title is irrelevant same as
6+5=1011+10=2019+12=30The real record is 5 to 5 last 10
years; 10 to 10 the last 20 year; 19 to 11 the last 30 years; and 28 to 22 the
last 50 years.Utah's 1944 title was the NCAA tournament
championship, not a national championship.But the real disparity is
number of times ranked in the Top 25BYU 16Utah 5
I'm curious, many times have the Mountain West beat the 'Ponys' of Boise? 1
time. Wow good for you. It was a very good TCU team that should have beaten Utah
and been in the BCS game. So yeah BYU and Utah would just dominate BSU - cause
they have yet to prove that they can. Beating Utah at home 36-3 makes me smile
every time oh and we won in Autzen too.
Boise State's record vs BYU and Utah looks pretty good until you look a little
closer.BSU played BYU in 2003 and 2004, during the Crowton era and
THE WORST 3-year period of BYU football in the last 50 years!Utah
was also in down years when the Broncos played the Utes.But wait, it
gets even better.In the 2004 game at BSU, an 11-1, #12/#13 Boise
State team beat a 5-6 BYU team BY ONE POINT, 27-28, after BYU's short FG try
sailed just wide as time expired!Wow! That's one impressive victory!
A one-loss, Top 12 team BARELY beating a team with a losing record, BY ONE
POINT, on their own Smurf Turf.In 2004, BYU lost at Utah 21-52.And also lost at home to UNLV 20-24 and to NM 14-21.But,
beat Notre Dame 20-17 at home.We'll see just how good Boise State
really if the Broncos don't back out of their scheduled four game home and home
series with BYU.Boise State has never beaten a good, ranked BYU
Way to beat Utah in their down year and the only year you went to the bcs
is a basketball school; just like Duke in the ACC, football is just a fun
activity to relieve the boredom until basketball season starts.
Dear Mr. Sorensen,Wow! That's all I can say. I usually am a fan of the
Deseret News, but this article is absolutely WORTHLESS. Why don't you go get a
job for ESPN? You would be a shoe-in for the job. The big question on their
application is, "Do you hate all Non-AQ college football teams?" A sub-question
would be, "Do you hate BYU"? (It obvious that you do because you obviously
don't like the MWC.) If you answer No to either of these questions ESPN
immediately shreds your application. You would be perfect for ESPN Mr. Sorensen!
So, since you don't like MWC football, get out of town!!
KentuckyBYU football is just a fun activity to relieve boredom.....
the de facto ACC champ? So, do they get an automatic bid?hint for
the zoobs: The Frogs beat UVa & Clemson while TDS lost to Free Shoes U