How about reining in UDOT and not redoing every road in the Salt Lake valley
every two years. The roads we have are good enough. Stop wasting tremendous
amounts of money fixing roads that are fine. Improved transportation is nice,
but if we can't afford it, do not do it.Cut government spending
drastically before you increase the sales tax on food. The sales tax on food is
bourne on the backs of the poor.
Let's increase the cigarette tax 25 cents a pack, the tax on all liquor by 25
cents, the room tax on hotels by $1.00, add a penny tax on restaurant food and
leave the food tax alone. It should be eliminated. I don't think any of these
above taxes will stop anyone from partaking of those things or comiing to visit
Utah.Here in Germany we pay 7.5% on food and 19% on everything else.
Food, however is much cheaper than back home. We may go into sticker shock
when we go grocery shopping.
How about limiting the household income tax deductions to two children per
household which would help the outstripped infra structure here in Utah.
How about the Mormon Church kicking in some big bucks for the homeless and
unemployed people in this state.
"Here in Germany we pay 7.5% on food and 19% on everything else."Is
there income tax as well?
I am waiting for the tax and spend Republicans of the state to realize that
people should be taxed for breathing air. I don't mind taxing soda, candy and
ice cream, but how in the world does taxing vegetables and healthy food not
Taxing the very food we eat to sustain life is immoral, just like EVERY
politician. Cut government spending 700 million dollars before one penny is
raised by taxing food.
It's always easier to raise taxes. Real leaders will cut wasteful state
spending. Utahs citizens are already taxed to the limit. WE WILL NOT ALLOW
ELECTED LEADERS TO INCREASE TAXES AND KEEP THEIR JOBS!!
I can't believe how many people blindly buy in to the idea that the sales tax on
food is a regressive tax and hits the poor unfairly.1. What's the
difference between food and anything else? It's just a commodity.2. The
rich pay a lot more in taxes on food because they buy a lot more food. That
money that was generated from their purchases is used to fund programs that
benefit the poor 3. As the article clearly explains cutting the sales tax
has hurt the sales tax revenues which is part of the reason that the programs
for the poor have been cut.
How about reducing the deductions for children. I propose that todays deduction
be allowed for the first 2 kids and nothing for the rest. Large families
utilizes more "tax" resources such as schools and pay little tax. Funny, those
who contatantly want to raise taxes on the other guy but dont touch me.
To Tax,What a great attitude. What's another quarter on this and
that. What's a dollar on hotels. Wow.. with that attitude, why not increase it
several dollars on hotels, and two bucks on cigarettes and liquor. I get tired
of people "justifying" higher taxes. The answer isn't in taxing more, it's in
more permanant than a temporary tax. Remember the "temporary" flood surtax? It
was eventually elminated, after we had no floods for a number of years. Other
states that have enacted "temporary" surtaxes on the rich have found they don't
make anywhere near what they expect. The rich simply make one of their homes
somewhere else their official residence. The long term solution is to reduce
government spending, permanantly. We need to get off the track off continuously
"Tax" has some good ideas.
Did anyone on the legislative group ever think of the possibility of holding
back on spending rather than raising ANY taxes?
The rich use more resources, so why shouldn't they be taxed more? And, to those who think that bigger families pay less taxes, try housing,
feeding, and clothing 4-6 kids. That's a lot of commodities which equals a lot
of taxes. Income taxes are such a minimal part of the actual taxes we pay.
Plus, those of us with large families are generating more future taxpayers. You
just have to look at the long-term, and not the short-term here.
It isn't a tax on the poor. There is no tax charged on food purchased with food
stamps or WIC. It is a blatent atax on the middle class. Before they raise the
food tax, they should look at cuts & other taxes that are not so regressive.
Has every one forgot we had a revolution over taxes!! How about cutting
corporate wellfare! How about putting wellfare receipients to work!! How about
putting our folks who are out of work back to work! How about keeping jobs here
in America! How about making anything right here in America! How about getting
rid of regulations that hurt business and drives them over seas with our jobs!
How about just saying no to all the pork projects politicians seem to profit
from. Lets not forget taxes are regressive and oppressive! Try cutting
programs that dont work! Try cutting programs that are'nt needed! Try cutting
the fraud waste and abuse that is rampant in all Goverment programs! Try paying
for a program with current funds without a tax increase! How about thinking of
the unintended concequences of these programs before we start them!
This is the only tax that EVERYONE pays -- including illegal aliens. It's
consumptive based, so it's fair. TAX food!
You that think Utah can cut more need to visit a classroom of 32 4th graders and
no teaching aide. There are no easy cuts anymore. Utah removed
part of the sales tax on food when revenues were at an all-time high -- now the
opposite has happened, an all-time low in lost revenue. Let's
reinstate the sales tax on food.
Re: What a bunch of bologna"What's the difference between food and
anything else? It's just a commodity."You're right ... food is a
commodity.But it's a commodity we can't live without. It isn't like
a new sofa, TV or a car that can be put off for a few months or years.Taxes ... especially ones on food, DO hit the poor more than the rich. $600.00
in yearly sales taxes won't even be noticed by someone making $100,000.00 per
year. But to a poor person, $600.00 can be the difference between making the
rent this month or getting kicked out on the street.State
governments need to rein in their profligate spending and find other ways to
close their budget gaps.I find it reprehensible that they would even
think of doing it on the backs of the poor.
You will be glad for those parents who were willing to raise more than 2
children when you rely on Social Security and Medicare. While many are delaying
or avoiding having children for selfish reasons, others are foregoing travel,
nice cars, eating out, etc. so they can pay for their children's clothes, food,
music lessons, education, etc. It is YOU who will reap a disproportiate share
of the benefits when that child is a full-grown, productive adult. Declining
birth rates are the number one reason why Social Security is going bankrupt -
there are simply not enough young adults to pay for all the benefits that we
have promised to the baby-boomers.Let go of your egocentric
selfishness and thank a parent!
We should be encouraging larger families through tax policy and every other
policy. Declining birthrates, particularly for the educated and wealthy, will
have massive negative implications for this country. We should INCREASE tax
incentives for higher income taxpayers to encourage them to do the difficult
thing and raise an extra child.Thanks to all the parents out there!
anon 4:09, the church spends millions in support of the poor. I'm sorry you are
How many times I have heard people say that what they really want in an elected
official is that he or she would tell us the truth. "Don't pander or tell us
what we want to hear." This elected representative is telling us the plain
facts that are not popular and could even cost him his elected position. The
State will not be able to plug a $700 to $800 million shortfall on cuts alone.
This proposed increase in the sales tax is tempered by an effort to provide
relief or an off set the impact to low income families and individuals. No
wonder good people not want to seek elective office. What we really want, and
what we say we want are extreme opposites. Congratulations Representative for
having the guts to give us a dose of reality.
Is it too much to ask that the food tax be kept at bay and the new Utah income
flat tax go away instead?In other words, keep the taxes that charge
those most able to pay them.
A food tax is one of the most unfair taxes. It taxes everyone the same,
including those least able to pay.There must be other
alternatives.Don't make the struggles of the least fortunate among
us even more rigorous.
Taxing food is a good idea, taxing food won't place an undue burden on the well
to do, and at the same time may help decrease the surplus population.
get rid of Utah flat tax, 9:35. It's interesting to note that RINO Hunstman
bailed before the full ill effect of his touted flat tax could be felt.
Food tax is one of the worst taxes. Find other ways to increse revenue. Here
is a good one: open up liquor sales to the free market, but increase the tax on
it. Or increase the sales tax on non food items.
Do people really believe having more kids will increase revenue? Your kids go
to subdised schools, drive on subsidized roads, play in subsidzed parks. One
person with a large family even said, "Income taxes are such a minimal part of
the taxes we pay." Exactly, you have too many deductions. Utah income tax
wasn't minmal when I lived there with my two kids.
The food tax should heavily tax soda, alcohol, candy, and heavily processed
foods while leaving produce untouched.
Sales tax on food is one of those ideas whose time has long gone away to the
dungeons of the dark ages of ancient history. Let's hope the Utah legislature
has a modern bent, not the ancient mindset that preserved Utah's sales tax on
food way longer than almost any other state. Punch me if I'm dreaming about
Utah's legislature being of age.
I see, I'm "selfish" because I don't have 10 kids? what a moronic statement.
If large families are going to gripe about the money they have to spend on
raising their kids, then don't have that many! It's not fair that my taxes go
to put your many kids through school and you don't have to pay your fair share--
it's a form of welfare isn't it? but this sort of "socialism" is ok because it
benefits you, right? further, we are entering into a water crisis in the
southwest, and other problems concerning the fact that there are not enough
resources for exploding population growth in utah- very irresponsible... maybe
you are the selfish ones...
Time for a Head Tax!
To those of you saying that people should not receive tax breaks for more than 2
kids, did you stop to think about where the money for your future Social
Security and Medicare checks is going to come from? Your neighbor with the 6
kids may cost now, but later on in YOUR life, the Social Security and Medicare
witholdings will be paying your in your retirement.So, if you want
to cut off the deductions for having more than 2 kids, are you also willing to
cut your Social Security and Medicare benefits?I have a better
idea. What the State government needs to do is target a few businesses that are
looking to move their headquarters and offer them huge tax breaks. If you get 1
company that spends 50 million on salaries, that will mean $2.5 million more in
income tax revenues, not to mention the additional sales tax revenues and
Utah has to balance its budget. Restoring the food tax to its full amount should
be done. The tobacco tax could be raised to match neighboring states. The rainy
day fund needs to be saved for next year as the economy could be in just a bad a
the conservative wholehearted "right to lifers" want to tax food as a method of
cost/population control. I've always thought there was a bit of hypocrisy in
opposing birth control and teaching abstinence, coupled with a total
unwillingness to provide schools, health care, family counseling or support.
What is hilarious is that you all do it with a total lack of personal awareness
or - dare I use the term - personal responsibility
You are obviously one of the glass-half-empty liberals. If you really beleive
that an additional person is an additional weight on society, who do you suggest
we eliminate first? I assume not you!The reality is - if these
"children" grow up to be productive adults, they will produce more than they
consume as part of consumer and producer surplus (if you don't know what this
is, go back to a basic economics text). In others words, you are better off
because of their contribution to the whole.The libs moaning about
the additional "burden" of a child is ill-informed, uneducated or selfish - you
Social Security will probably not exist by the time I retire. In any event, I
have been building my own retirement plan so I will not have to rely on Social
Security, if it's still around.
"The libs moaning about the additional "burden" of a child is ill-informed,
uneducated or selfish - you pick." I reread all the posts. I didn't find
anyone who I would consider the least bit liberal moaning about any of these
things. It seemed to come from hard core conservatives who always think the
behavior of "others" is the problem. For "others" you can substitute the
victim of the day "blacks", "hispanics", "illegal immigrants", people of a
different "ilk", "atheistic liberals", "koolaid drinkers". Have I missed any of
your favorite catch phrases?
Why does "lost in DC" think he/she has to right to label anyone a RINO?
He/she is the judgmental one and it simply shows ignorance on his/her part. I support Rep. Kay McIff's plan. I prefer to pay more in food tax rather
than continue to dissect state government and public and higher education. Keep
up the creative thinking.
a food tax increase is the only way to tax everybody .. legal and illegal money
(honest and dishonest) .. everybody eats .. everybody would be paying a tax ..
gee what a concept then you reduce the property owners and their
increased taxes to offset the food increased tax (since more people in this
state eat then own property the increase to state income would be beyond all
belief in just a few years and more people would be paying for themselves
instead of relying on others to be paying for them to keep both
taxes (food and property - NO ) .. too much tax being sucked out of the workers
pockets to pay for the whims of utah state congress folks you reduce the
property tax rates and increase the food tax rates .. this should
have been done decades ago ..
There are two main type of tax, a good tax and a bad tax. The way to tell the
difference is: A good tax is one that someone else has to pay but you don't. A
bad tax is any tax that you have to pay. In this case a tax on food is generally
considered to be a bad tax, because there is no way to get out of it. Everyone
has to pay. The problem is we all want the benefits that the taxes
provide us. The same applies to the expenditures. Those that we benefit from are
good, and those that we don't benefit from are bad. So, in a democracy the
legislature is between a rock and a hard place. No one wants their ox gored,
and they want to feed it forever.
Utah is over regulated and over taxed as it is, why increase taxes any more than
they already are? If you want to see a state in real trouble look north to
Idaho, and then thank your lucky stars you live in Utah.
Our future depends on more children. That's why child production needs to be
incentivized. Who is going to carry the tax burdens chains we are forging right
now? Future generations. That's why tax credits are important- to help insure
that future generations exist.
Actual fresh food costs a much more than processed already. Shame on any
government which taxes food and clothing.
Perhaps the sales tax should be eliminated for restaurant food, fast food and
prepared foods. I know the state of Ohio doesn't tax prepared food for
consumption if you do "take out." Another point is that alot of poor
families do not always eat at home, but will eat in fast food places.Why
should they be taxed on prepared food especially if it is for take out? For
consumption at home? I say eliminate the sales totally on any food.
I know this will not be considered, but perhaps they should eliminate the
corporate welfare that is currently on the books. I will guarantee that none of
these exemptions will be discussed by the legislature. I suggest that they
eliminate the following exemptions:Sale of food and beverages sold
to an airline for in flight consumptionRepairs and repair parts on
aircraft used by common carriersThe sale of vehicles used by an
authorized carrier in interstate commerceSales of property,
materials or services used to construct a pollution control facilityNew and replacement equipment used in a manufacturing facility in UtahThe sale of newspapersThe sales to farmers of certain
equipment and supplies used in a farming operationEquipment used in
a steel millThe sale of electricity to a ski resort used to operate
ski lifts or tramwaysThe sales of certain equipment and repair parts
to ski resortsThe sales of fuels for “Industrial Use”Exemptions for movie and television production companiesEquipment used by a renewable energy companyExemptions for
equipment, parts and services purchased by telecommunication companiesPurchases by shale oil technology companies
Wow, And you think I am shortsighted. Those of the mindset that we need and
EVERY INCREASING population are spending a tad too much time in church. Yes, I
understand how SS and medicare are paid for. But there is certainly a better
solution than more and more people. jeez