Where are your champions, locals? The ones that swore to stop the federal
interference a scant few weeks ago? Oh, that's right, they're busy doing their
cushy federal jobs. The posturing and lip-service is sickening, isn't it?I hope y'all win, btw. Should you, please don't abuse it.
If San Juan County succeeds in this ripoff, it will mean county commissioners
all over the West will have a veto over the National Park Service's decisions
about roads in every national park.
Its the feds who are blatantly attempting a land grab at the public's expense.
No fed has the authority to usurp control of a road they deeded out of federal
ownership years ago.
Mr Welch seems should reread the NPS mission:The "Organic Act" of August
25, 1916, states that "the Service thus established shall promote and regulate
the use of Federal areas known as national parks, monuments and
reservations...purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic
objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same
in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment
of future generations."Lets hope the judge is wise enough to consider the
implications of the issue upon the entire national park system (read "national"
Our federal government has been given power little by little until we THINK it's
ok for them to do things to us, by us, and for us.Read the
constitution of the US. The feds have no business having ANY authority over
I remember jeeping to Angel Arch as a kid in the early 60s. There was no road.
We just drove down the stream bed, occasionally leaving that to bash over the
stream-side vegetation. The fact that we were NOT on a road was a major part of
the adventure.How little we knew back then. When I think of the many
thousands of people that have made that same trip in more recent times, it makes
me sick.In any case, the notion that there was a "road" there in
continuous use for at least 10 years prior to 1976 (the legal standard for
county ownership) is ridiculous.
The Salt Creek route was never deeded to the county. It has been continuously
in federal ownership. Congress designated the area as a national park in 1964,
with the strong support of Utah's congressional delegation. I sincerely doubt
the San Juan county commissioners ever heard of RS 2477 until many years later,
when some ORV folks claimed it was their magic bullet to undo conservation laws.
that the State of Utah is party to this action and would actually attempt to lay
claim to a road within the park.
We would appreciate it if the feds would turn tail and get out of our backyard.
We didn't invite them and neither does the Constitution.
Jeeping down a stream bed to angel arch sounds like fun. I hope the county
wins!! I could use an adventure! What good is Angel Arch if nobody gets to see
Perhaps you need to reread the Constitution yourself. Particularly Article IV
Section 3 Paragraph two which states:"The Congress shall have Power
to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the
Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this
Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United
States, or of any particular State."
Those who want the feds out, who's going to pay for everything you are enjoying?
Poverty in rural Utah (and for the entire state) would shoot way up if the feds
did what you want. Or are you hypocrites, demanding they leave but want federal
dollars to stuff in your pocket?
I don't like the Feds dictating policy in most land / road situations, but I
also don't mind some places being preserved from off-road travel. It seems
anymore you can't find a place where an ATV hasn't been. I think there are
plenty of places to drive your jeep, motorcycle, and ATV, but fewer and fewer
places that require the effort and reward that come from a good hike. Open the
road, call Angel Arch paradise, and suddenly paradise isn't as appealing. Just
my .02 cents.
Get back on your city reservations and into your little human coops. The Rulers
Nathan, try hiking there. I did. Public access does not mean Jeep access.
As a resident of San Juan County I'm sick to death of the Feds controlling
everythng here. I hope the County wins big time. And I hope it has wider
implications for the nation as a whole. As a former resident of
Washington, D.C. I can tell you that the Federal Government is way too powerful
and insensitive to the needs of rural America. I can also tell you
that people in San Juan County love and reverence Canyonlands and all the other
scenic places in the area. They have no wish to destroy them.I hope
the County and the State win.
san juan county...you are not free...you live in a society...you want freedom?
move to somalia or afghanistan, otherwise follow the rules or pay the
I don't believe the government had the right to close that road. Sometimes they
are way too controlling. The use of the land belongs to the people who live in
My view also goes back into the 50s and 60s when we took our Jeeps and kids
there. For all I know we opened that road. Elephant Hill and rest of it also.Those were good times and it was enjoyed by the locals and Utah people in
general.TODAT, the area is notning like it used to be.
Enviornmentalists have made the area famous, like other parts of the state. It
is impacted by people from all over the world. One can not even find a room to
sleep in in Moab. It is all over folks, the FEDS and bikers have taken it over.
It is lost!
It's time to take our lands and rights back from the Feds. It seems that the
guise of "Protection" has been the Fed's primary tool for seizing power and
taking away life and liberty from the citizens of these United States for
several decades now. I've had enough, haven't you?
Angie, you state that “the use of the land belongs to the people who live
in that area.” By the same logic I suppose you would gladly accept it if
your next door neighbor sold pornography and libations? After all, that is the
area in which they live and it is their property to control?Sometimes the government is too controlling, but in this case I would much
prefer the federal government's control than that of the state or county.
I too have spent many years traveling the road in Salt Creek until it was
closed. As a student in high school it was a favorite day experience, it was
the "day date" before the prom, our county enjoyed the area. If we met someone
on the trip, we knew them. Today, it is so sad to go to Canyonlands and see the
area we so loved turned into a playground for the masses. True it was nice to
take visitors there when we were young, but it is tragic now to see how the
federal government has exploited it for their purposes and profit! What was
once a 'true love for an area and experience' for home town people is now a
'stay out of there' feeling as rangers and government (strangers to the area)
have taken over. The road should be open, travel isn't doing any damage in the
shifting sands, and the state and country should have control of the road!
There are some places in our world that should not be easily accessed. If
everyone has a pot of gold, the gold loses its value. It’s quality versus
quantity. Most of us agree that everyone should have access to
public wilderness lands. The disagreement occurs hidden within the supposition.
The key word is “access”. If we fulfill the urge to allow easy
access to all public lands, we have then eliminated the possibility for
wilderness to exist. Wilderness is defined as “An unsettled, uncultivated
region left in its natural condition.” If too accessible, a national park
becomes an amusement park.Maintaining wilderness is a delicate
balancing act. What is sacred to one individual is irrelevant to another. I
respect differing opinions, but I prefer to err on the side of maintaining more
pristine wilderness. I’m well into middle-age and realize that soon there
will be many places I cannot access. So be it. Those same places would have
little meaning to me if they were heavily populated or easily accessed.
I wish my friends in wheelchairs, or the feeble, or those who choose to ride
ORVs could experience many of the places I’ve been. But I know they may,
in other ways, enjoy a quality of existence I cannot. I wish I could climb
Annapurna, but I’m not physically capable. Still, I am pleased for those
who have.There are already numerous dirt roads in the Canyonlands
area that are 4WD accessible. Many of them lead right to arches, Ancestral
Pueblo ruins and other remarkable sites. Plus there are thousands of arches
throughout Utah that are easily accessed. Considering the cost, is
it really essential that this road be opened?
I really miss journeying on this road to that awesome and amazing place. I have
many fond memories with my family. It has been tragic that we no longer have
access with my family who cannot walk the 10 plus miles in our older ages. The
road and area was never injured due to journeys there.
The implications of this seem pretty far reaching. The trend is toward more
restrictive federal control of access: first limiting resource development, then
motorized access, then bicycles and then on foot. If the feds continue to win
these sorts of cases, look for even more fences and gates around public lands in
While I understand the frustration with the Federal Governemnt coming into our
backyard and telling us how we will take care of our beautiful countryside, the
evidence is strong that someone has to provide guidelines and rules to protect
the land from those who do not have the self discipline to stay and established
roads.Here in my native Box Elder County, it is extremely
discouraging to see the destruction that is caused by those that feel every
square foot of public land must be driven over with an ATV. The destruction and
subsequent erosion will be here for generations to come. All so someone can get
their kicks and giggles.So, since we do not have any self control,
through our actions we have essentially told the Federal Government that we need
Big Brother to come in and baby sit us. Yep, it's no one's fault but our own.
So, unless we are ready to grow up and take stewardship of this beautiful part
of our country, then we just have to concede to someone else doing it for us.
Its all about CONTROL!!! Fed. State and local Gov. want to control everything.
Church and religion want to control everything. The Utah culture wants to have
control on behavior and choices. My parents tried to control everything. Granted
not all is bad in what they are trying to enforce, but not all is great either.
Are you tired of being controlled? I am...
Sounds like a controversy is a brewing. The Angel Arch is one of the most
beautiful in the state. It would be nice to be able to enjoy it.