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  • Oregonian
    Sept. 13, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    Hey Utes! We are going to beat you like a rented mule this saturday!

  • Really?
    Sept. 13, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    I'd be more worried about getting "beat" if Blount (AKA Hulk Smash!!!) still on the team!!!

  • Utah Man
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:28 a.m.

    Come what may on Saturday "Oregonian" afterwards will still be UTES and you'll be the hapless Ducks! Overrated Under Achievers!

  • We┬┤ll be ok
    Sept. 14, 2009 6:12 a.m.

    Im excited to attend the game in Oregon on Saturday and I think we have a good chance at winning it.

  • Re: Oregonian--AKA BYU/Boise fan
    Sept. 14, 2009 6:38 a.m.

    That is also what the Alabama fans told us.

  • CougarFan
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:31 a.m.

    Go Utes! Stick it to the Ducks!

  • I'm still LOL
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    over the utes feeble showing against one of the worst teams in the country. What a pathetic performance against a team that was drubbed into oblivion by the trojans. Still LOL

  • rich
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:51 a.m.

    I like how the BYU fans come out and pretend to be Oregon fans.

    BYU fans should be pulling for Utah in this OUT OF CONFERENCE game, just like we all did for you. But no, they are not smart enough to see that a Utah loss will hurt their ranking as well. I guess thats what you get when your fan base is not made up of Football fans but rather people who think if their Football team wins then their religion must be true.

  • Cheer (Pray) for Utah
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    They need all the help they can get.

  • Kicking game
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:33 a.m.

    So who's kicking game is worse? Utah's or BYU's?

  • re:rich
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    For the last two weeks I didn't see any ute fans pulling for BYU...except for them to lose. Take your bruised ego and pathetic stereotypes and get off the message boards.

  • Unfixable Problem
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    Cain has a terrible throwing motion. He starts his throws with the ball on his hip. Did you notice how many times San Jose State hit his arm during the throw? It takes him much longer to get rid of the ball than a qb who holds the ball above his shoulder.

    The extra second it takes to get rid of the ball will be a real concern against a team like Oregon.

    I understand now why Kyle had a difficult selecting a starting qb. I'm guessing the motion is unfixable and will doom the Utes during the "Cain Era."

  • RE: Rich
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    I find it interesting that you say cougar fans are made up of "people who think if their football team wins then their religion must be true..." Because I have found that most Ute fans desperately hope that BYU loses so that puts a black eye on the LDS religion. Looks like both groups mix too much football and religion.

  • Hawk
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    Relax, ute fans. I AM a BYU fan and I DO want to see the utes stick it to OU this weekend. You struggled against SJSU, but your offense moved the ball and your defense was pretty good (especially against the run), so work on the discipline issues (penalties, turnovers) and you'll be OK. OU's QB looked terrible against BSU, so if they have to rely on the running game (without Blount), they are in trouble....

  • Texas Cougar
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    This isn't the religion section of the paper, so stop the church banter.

    If I'm a Utah fan, I'm not too worried right now. Utah typically starts the season a little bit slow. Plus, who wouldn't be looking past San Jose State just a little bit when you've got a tough but winnable game this next week. Utah always gets up for good competition. They will win in Eugene, and make a good run at the MWC championship as well. We'll see you in November!

  • Pick 'em
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    Utes still have plenty of issues. You'd think they'd lose next week, but they proved last year that they can play ugly (so far, so good) and still win (yet to be seen).

    It's too bad they don't do the conference any good by scheduling such poor opponents. They really do have to step up.

  • CougFan in GA
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    To re:rich (@8:36am)
    I don't know where you've been, but I've seen a lot of praise and best wishes for BYU from genuine Utah fans over the last few weeks. That's exactly as it should be. Utah's win over Alabama was the perfect preamble to the Cougars' victory in Jerry's Palace, and the utes deserved their props. Right now we need EVERY MWC team to beat EVERY PAC-10 team they play (or any other B(c)S conference team, for that matter). I, for one, would love to see Utah and BYU both undefeated come Nov. 28th. So much more the satisfaction (and credibility) when Max & Co. crush them soundly.
    I have to echo Hawk's post. We want to see the utes take it to the ducks come Saturday.

  • Ute4Life
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    Re: Re Rich @ 8:46 a.m.:

    Just to set the record straight... its not 'most' fans that are ignorant or have misplaced hate on either side. Its a minority of fans that don't understand the rivalry. Likewise... I am LDS and the reason I despise that small minority of Y fans is because they cannot understand for the life of them how someone can be LDS and NOT cheer for they 'church's team'. In their eyes it is morally wrong.

    All that said... I like to see posts like the one from 'Hawk' and 'Texas Cougar'. In my eyes most y and U fans are grounded and know football well enough to have intelligent conversations and make intelligent posts. The jury's still out on the Utes and really should still be out on every team until at least a few weeks from now if not until the end of the season.

    Good luck to all in the MWC.

    And go Utes...

  • Frank Castle
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    The Utes played sloppy but survived & triumphed in a classic trap game.

    bottom line; good teams win they games they are supposed to.

    p.s. the SEC rules. I'd bet that the BCS title game is ? vs. an SEC Team.

  • Ute4Life
    Sept. 14, 2009 9:53 a.m.

    Re: 'pick 'em'...

    Most out of conference games are set up at least a couple of years in advance if not... 4 or 5 years in advance. We know that when you schedule the Tulanes, SJSUs, USUs you're setting up for a win. But when you schedule the Michigan, OKs, Oregons, Louisvilles you may catch them on an up, down, or average year. So enough with our schedule is stronger than yours banter because the y schedules their share of 'poor opponents' as well.

  • Oregon Ducks favored
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    The early line has the Oregon Ducks favored over the Utes by 6.5 points.

    At least who are willing to put their money on the line think that Utah's team has their work cut out for them.

  • I feel so bad (*snicker*)
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    "We've just got to keep working. That's all I can say," Whittingham said. "We're miles away from having all the answers and having our football team right where we want it. We've got a lot of work to do."

    My, how things have changed. During fall camp it sounded like BYU was the one really hurting and had many issues to fix. And it also sounded like utah was in great shape and their only concern was which of their new superstar QB's was going to start this season.

    I'm loving this.

    Oregon will get their 2nd win this weekend. But if utah should happen to win that's ok too. It will look better when we beat them in November.

    GO COUGARS!!!!!!!

  • DSB
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    How does Oregon get any votes or credibility at all? No first downs against Boise until midway through the 3rd quarter, really????? Oregon's QB telegraphs his every move. A squeaker against unranked Purdue? Despite the effort needed by Utah against SJSU, if they're prepared they really should mop up against an extremely overrated Oregon team.

    Go Utes - from a Cougar fan.

  • flat
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    This isn't the 1st time the Utes have come out flat against a far weaker oppenent. The Utes tend to play up when it comes to the big games. They'll be ready and will have a very good chance at beating Oregon.

  • Ugly win
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    but it was still a win. It's been a few years since I have seen Utah play so poorly - we couldn't get to their QB at all and for the second week in row we get stopped on the goal line by a weaker opponent... of course running the Asiata package 4 straight plays doesn't help.

    All that being said, the team still hung in there and gutted out a win. I'm not sure what the cause of our problems were but I'm hopeful that Kyle has and will address them this week.

    We have a good shot of beating Oregon if we can play a clean game. They have looked vulnerable so far this year.

    As far as Cain goes, he may have an odd technique but he has a strong arm, he's accurate and he showed some good speed - not sure what more you can ask for from him two games into the season. As far as the batted down passes, the line needs to give him more help along with some better decision making that I think will come in time.

    GO UTES!!!

  • History tends to repeat itself
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    I turn your attention to 2008, BYU was cruising along, putting 40+ points a night on their opponent, jumping in the rankings (Struggled to beat a horrible Washington team and with the help of the officials overcame a sloppy performance, so lay off the Utes) and yet we heard how great and mighty they were. Utah plugged along, playing sloppy and down to the level of their opponents, showing flashes of briliance at times, however, many were still concernend. How did it all turn out. BYU crumbled under pressure, Utah won a couple of Miraculous games and the rest is history 13-0. Only time will tell, football is a fickle game, one wrong bounce, or a big injury and it could be lights out. So you cheer for your team, I will cheer for mine and in the end we will see who wins out. GO UTES!!!!

  • Over-reacting
    Sept. 14, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    The final outcome was not as "impressive" as it should/could have been. But for people who watched the game, they know it isn't a doomsday scenario as many are laying out.

    Utah moved the ball. 500 yards of offense again. Were it not for 2 fumbles early, the game would have been 21-0, and had they punched the ball into the endzone on 4th down, 28-0 going into half. Not to mention the pathetic field goal misses.

    There were many mistakes that need to be corrected. The O-Line didn't play well after Caleb left. WR's dropped some very catchable balls. Penalities. FG's. Stanford. Getting all the way to the QB. And having said all that, Utah outgained SJSU by 250 total yards. Held them to 22 yards rushing. Got Cain involved in the running game. Was 3-12 defending 3rd down. Not all was terrible.

    I look forward to a tough week of practice by Whit, fixing the mental mistakes. Utah will come out and play well Saturday. Unlike BYU, that's what we do. Utah consistenly beats good teams, not once every 10 years.

  • USUAggie
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    I don't usually pay attention to Aggie sports until basketball season, but in this case, a word to the wise for all the U & Y fan's out there...

    You should be "praying" that each other goes undefeated until the "war" come November. This will provide both schools with the best chance to "bust" the BCS. You're both good schools - get over it! Enjoy the "spotlight" for now and give each other just a bit of credit. Don't waste your time beating each other up - focus on your opponents!

    The rest of us in the State are getting tired of the "wambulance" attitude from some of you on both sides... I hope you both smash everyone you play and that the "war" in November features two top-10 teams... Lofty goal, but doable if TCU doesn't rain on the parade...

  • re: history tends...
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    "Struggled to beat a horrible Washington team and with the help of the officials overcame a sloppy performance..."

    You don't know much about football, do u? If the Pac10 officials had made the calls they were supposed to, BYU would have won that game by 3 TD's. But they didn't thanks to all the holding Washington got away with. Even in the photo of BYU blocking their PAT a WA player is holding onto a BYU jersey. Pathetic!

    And here are a couple of things that kinda sorta point to the fact that this season is going to be VERY different than last season for BYU: a win over #3 Oklahoma on the road and Tulane road kill. BYU should have been able to do last season to N. Iowa what they did to Tulane this season.

    Here's a bad sign for utah. U guys beat USU 35-14 this season and last season BYU beat USU 34-14. Last season utah beat USU 58-10. I guess I should say it's another bad sign for utah in light of the SJSU game.

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    UTah needs work. They clearly played terrible, and still won by 10 oints and outgained the opponent by over 200 yards. Mental breakdowns kept the game closer than it should have. these are fixable. Utah needs to play with much more emotion. They had none until the fourth quarter. The d line played terrible on passing downs. I am hoping it was more of a Misi's back, we can relax kind of attitude. If not, Utah will have to switch out of man coverage with the corners. Even bad passign offenses are too good to defend if you cannot pressure the passer.

  • Predicting the Future
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:40 a.m.

    My crystal ball says Utes win, only not dominating like Boise State did.

  • RE: History tends to repeat ...
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    History does tend to repeat itself, but never in the same way. The roles are reversed. This year's Utes are looking like last year's Cougars. Last year, BYU had a real sloppy win against USU early in the season much like the Ute's sloppy win against SJS this weekend. If the Utes don't make the necessary adjustments, they're definitely going to repeat history: living off of the previous year's hype only to crash and burn against real opponents. Oregon should be a good test to get the Utes to step up their game. Hopefully they do!



  • RE: Frank Castle
    Sept. 14, 2009 11:54 a.m.

    "bottom line; good teams win they games they are supposed to."

    Bottom Line. Good teams win the games they aren't supposed to!
    2008 - Utes vs. Alabama.
    2009 - BYU vs. Oklahoma.

    Here's to hopin' you are a good team THIS YEAR so the beat down in Provo will be SO much sweeter!
    Go Cougs!!

  • re;re;history tends
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    Your Utah and BYU vs. Utah State scenario holds no water. Utah State is a much better team this year than last for one. Also BYU has yet to play the Aggies so you might want to hold off on that comparison until after the game. And as far as the refs in the Washington game argument; the same can and should be said of the Utah-TCU game. If not for the refs letting TCU get away with so much pass interference, illegal picks etc. Utah would have walked all over them. And who's to say San Jose didn't have just a bad game against USC and played more to their ability against Utah? Frankly it's just too early in the season to be talking much trash.

  • just be patient...
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:33 p.m.

    Utah always starts this way and they are always their own worst enemy with their self inflicted mistakes. The good news is, is that they will only get better, pretty scary if you ask me.

  • Frank Castle
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    //Here's to hopin' you are a good team THIS YEAR so the beat down in Provo will be SO much sweeter!
    Go Cougs!!//

    What is it w/ you zoobs and your pronoun issues? Why does fans of TDS consistently & annoyingly refer to any effort as; We did.... we did not....

    I'm a fan & don't play. Therefore, The U (myself not included) will do whatever they do. I don't live my life vicariously through a sports team.
    I can only support them and hope to be entertained.

    p.s. Good teams win the games they are supposed to otherwise they would not be good teams.

    p.s.s. Alabama only had 1 problem in the 09 Sugar Bowl. Their coach is an inflexible, ego-centric, goofball.

  • Haters!!
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    Ute fans are accused of being haters so much, but apparently that role has now changed and the BYU fans are the haters. I guess being the more successful program changes everything.

    Ok, here is the real deal. There are 2 (yes, TWO) problems Utah needs to address:

    1. Turnovers. In terms of yards per game, Utah is the #13 ranked offense in the nation after 2 games (FYI, that is HIGHER than the TDS). Who cares how Cain holds the ball or his throwing motion. He is moving the offense, but the turnovers are KILLING the drives. 2 against SJSU and 3 against USU. No turnovers = turning all those yards into points.

    2. DB's. The pass interference calls were KILLING Utah. SJSU couldn't move the ball any other way than to throw it long. Utah's defense will figure that one out...I have that faith in Whitt and his defensive mind.

    So, Utah isn't as bad off as TDS fans want to make it out to be. In the end, they are still just scared that they will be exposed again this year.

  • davidutefan
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    an Ugly win is still a win. Next week is a new game. I've had season tickets for a long time and, unlike about 10 years ago, we found a way to win even though they played horribly. They need to go back to on game at a time instead of looking forward. Look at the number of teams that were upset in the first two weeks of the season and be glad we didn't get upset with them. The Utes won a lot of games last year they probably would have lost in the past. But, 13-0 is still 13-0. 2-0 after 2 games is still good enough for me no matter how ugly and this one was the ugliest win I've seen.

  • RE: re;re;history...
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    It's NEVER too early to be talking trash. You Yewts have been doing it since your bowl win over Alabama, and increasingly so ever since Oklahoma got put on BYU's schedule. We could talk "but if..." scenario's all day long. IF TCU had had a decent kicker and made eiter of those field goals last year, Utah wouldn't have gotten all the credit it did, but guess what, it doesn't matter does it? It's not what ACTUALLY happened. What-ifs are a waste of space. It's a rivalry! As the facts show for THIS season, Utah is looking at nice 7-5 season (if they're lucky) as a mediocre rebuilding team.

    But not to worry Yewts. You'll have another great team at your next 4-year cycle in 2012. ;-)

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 14, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    12:42 post:

    As the facts show for this season? The facts show utah is 2-0. They show that they turn the ball over, give up a few big plays, out gain their opponent and hold their opponent to far fewer yards than they gain. The facts also tell you how teams perform on paper. But, that doesn't tell how they will perform on the field. The only fact that matters is Utah is 2-0. That is all the facts show. Not a single "fact" shows how Utah will finish.

  • re: all the re's:
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:04 p.m.

    Keep talking trash. We're still the ones with 16 game win streak while yours is still 2. Nice win down in Texas but you still have a lot of games to play. IF you can beat Fl St, and IF you can beat TCU, and IF you can beat the Utes, and IF you can run the table, I'll be cheering for you to play in the title game. by the way, You're right. It doesn't matter what if. It's still 16 straight. Are you a racist in general or just don't think you should respect the name of the Ute Tribe? It's not teams that use the names of tribes respectfully that is racist, it's people like you that deliberately disrespect them.

  • Y fan here
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    BYU football is a big passion in my life. I have enjoyed BYU football for many years. I have enjoyed the Utes success more then most U fans and will always have nothing but the best of feelings for Utah football, they are well coached i'm not worried at all they will fix those little things up and just start kicking butt like they have always have and will continue to do so. I sure wish the trash talking would stop and Y fans every where would just save the talk until the last game of the year when it really matters. Keep up the hardwork Utah & take it to those ducks. Thanks for the good memories at the end of each year it's been fun.

  • re: Frank Castle
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    "What is it w/ you zoobs and your pronoun issues? Why does fans of TDS consistently & annoyingly refer to any effort as; We did.... we did not...."

    Can I just say...WOW! To bring up a grammatical term to make yourself look smart, but then turn around and use it so poorly is downright embarrassing.

    Also, do you really think the fans are not at all involved. Let me ask you this, after WWII did Americans say "we" won the war, or "the armed forces"? Of course all citizens are involved in some way. That way is through support and by bankrolling the operation. Sound familiar?

  • No disrespect.
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    I don't think it has anything to do with being a racist. It's very decisively directed at the obnoxious Ute fan-base who can't respect their own neighbors enough to get away from stupid names such as zoobies, TDS and yBu. They can't even bring themselves to simply say the word BYU.

    I think the day that the obnoxious Utes quit calling the Cougars zoobies is the same day that the obnoxious Cougars quit distorting the Ute's name. Oh wait.. That's probably not gonna happen.

    The real issue here isn't racism. It's simple respect for your neighbor and the Utes are every bit as guilty of it, if not more, as the BYU fans are.

  • re: 12:42PM
    Sept. 14, 2009 1:46 p.m.

    I couldn't agree more. Stats don't lie. They are what they are.

    BCS trips - Utah 2, BYU 0

    Woulda, coulda, and mightbes cannot change this fact today.

    Thank you for bringing that up.

  • Boise State rules ya'll
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    so don't pt out history because the ducks and seminoles will rule!

  • Problem with rankings
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    I hate the ranking process. No matter what 100%. Even though the first week you win by 28, and the next you win by 10, does not mean anything. Utah should be at least 16th in the poll instead of 18th. If Utah beats Oregon, they will move up in the poll. My prediction is Utah 31, Oregon 10.

    GO UTES!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:18 p.m.

    Re: History repeats itself
    Yes but what history? 2008 or 2007? BYU just might run the table in the MWC like it did in 2006 and 2007 and Utah might struggle. Then again it might be like 2008. Nobody really knows.

  • MWC Fan
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:35 p.m.

    Kyle was right that the game would have been completely different had those 2 turnovers not happened in the first half. The fact that Peel and Asiata fumbled is not an excuse though - that's something Utah has to work on. That game WAS pretty hard to watch, especially with Vroman COMPLETELY off his mark. Almost embarrassing. RJ Stanford and Brandon Burns didn't help the situation with penalty after penalty because of bad pass coverage. The Utes also need to learn how to finish a great drive, it's almost as if seeing the red zone freaks them out. But overall, there's no need to worry. I'm not sure many people remember that last year the Utes had a few games they SHOULD HAVE EASILY WON, but struggled for whatever reason. It's all a part of changing, improving, and growing as a team. Go Utes! And if cougar fans were any type of normal and generous people they would be cheering the Utes on until conference play.

  • BAMA Fan
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    As a huge BAMA fan, i came on this site last year to read the Utah reaction to the sugar bowl, so i came on today to read what was going on since Utah impressed me in that game. i am wondering why are you guy still talking about that game. It was last year and is over and done with. Utah beat us good and they had a great year. That game has nothing to do with this year as you can see BAMA came into the year rank higher than last year so the Utah beat down didn't hurt us in the rankings.

  • last year
    Sept. 14, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    This is sounding like last year. BYU starts strong and Utah wins ugly. Remember how that turned out. I personally think TCU will be the BCS buster this year. Their defense is scary fast.

  • this year
    Sept. 14, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    The difference between last year and this year is BYU returns most of its key offensive players and BYU's defense is MUCH improved.

    Utah lost almost all of its key players on offense, defense AND special teams.

    Last season, most BYU fans knew that BYU was probably a year away from having a REALLY good team, but bought into The Quest anyway after a promising 6-0 start.

    This year, the majority of BYU's team leaders are experienced seniors who have learned from the mistakes they made last season.

    Utah, on the other hand, is only a shadow of the team they had last season, with little senior leadership. Last season, Utah, even with all of their talent, was fortunate to beat Michigan, Air Force, Oregon State and TCU. An undefeated season could easily have been a 2- or 3- loss season.

    Unless Utah improves dramatically in practice this week, Oregon will end the Utes winning streak this week.

    As a BYU fan, that would be disappointing because I was hoping to see the Cougars beat a solid, Top 15 Utah team in November to bolster BYU's SOS.

  • Workinglate
    Sept. 14, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    As a BYU fan living in Oregon (and also a UO alum), I hope Utah beats the Ducks. But, it's Autzen, and the fans are loud and roudy like few other places. Let's be honest, it's a weekly highlight in Eugene to go to the Duck games and enjoy football and alcohol.

    The Ducks are always very talented, but can be very hot and cold. If UO doesn't come out strong, then Utah has a very good chance - but Utah better bring one of their best efforts. The SJSU game was pretty unimpressive - let's hope they do better this week (they'll have to).

    If there's one annoying thing about the Ducks, it's that their mouths tend to run ahead of their ability to win. They tend to talk like they're USC but play like they are a mid level player in the Pac-10 (which is what they are). They've had years when they are near unbeatable in Pac-10 play, including some big wins over USC, etc., but I'm not sure this is one of them. However, beating Oregon at home is difficult.

    Go MWC teams (non-conference)

  • Another BYU fan...
    Sept. 14, 2009 3:19 p.m.

    ...who wants the Utes to win this weekend.

    Not because I suddenly like the Utes, but for the same reasons I cheered for them in the Sugar Bowl: A top-25 Ute team helps both the Mountain West Conference and BYU by increasing their strength-of-schedule.

    Plus, a Ute victory will hurt Boise State's SoS and make them less likely to get to a BCS bowl ahead of the MWC champion.

    However, I would just add that you Ute fans who still believe this team is anywhere close to being as good as last year's are on some heavy-duty hallucinogens.

    Even Whittingham realizes he has major problems this year, problems that will become undeniable when the Utes start playing their MWC schedule.

  • rvalens2
    Sept. 14, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    Relax Uteville.

    All San Jose State did was prove the Utes have some wrinkles to iron out.

    The Utes always seem to take a few games to get rolling. Remember ... a lot of new guys are working the kinks out of their game. And the best way to do that is with playing time.

    I know it's easy to dismiss San Jose State as a pushover that Utah should have annihilated. But the truth is San Jose State isn't as terrible a team as they have been in the past.

    In their first game against USC (which I watched) they did reasonably well in the first quarter.

    It was only when the got they got severely behind that they decided to rollover for the Trojans. With the Utes, they were never out of the game. That alone gave them a lot of confidence to continue the fight against Utah.

  • JC
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:01 p.m.

    Utah and Oregon both need to eliminate mistakes if they want to win. I didn't see Utah's first two games but have read about the turnovers and penalties and they sound pretty familiar to us Duck fans. Oregon has bigger issues, though. The Ducks' O-line is still playing poorly and Masoli (QB) is still overthrowing the ball too much. Our defense looks pretty stout holding BSU to 17 points (despite defending two games worth of plays), and accounting for 17 points for the Ducks against Purdue. I honestly have no idea how this game will play out. If both teams execute it could be an instant classic coming down to an overtime or two. If Oregon continues to play like it has the last two weeks, our shiny new head coach will have serious questions to answer and might need some ice packs for his office chair. If Utah continues to turn the ball over and rack up penalty yards your BCS aspirations will have to wait another year.

  • Go Utes
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    The Utes better fix that turnover problem quick or they can kiss the winning streak good-bye. GO UTES!!

  • Duck Blind
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    Ducks have not impressed at all this year. Utes have new coordinators and QB. If the game was in Salt lake it would be a walk over by the Utes. Call it 50-50 in Duckville.

  • re: This Year
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    Much improved defense? So far, but lets be realistic. BYU struggles when teams spread them out with 4-5 WR's. Neither OU or Tulane have done that. Tulane is terrible and doesn't have the ability, and OU seemed to think they could just power over BYU in the first half, and with a QB taking his first snaps in the second couldn't adjust.

    Lets wait until a team spreads the Y defense to proclaim them MUCH better than last year. Remember, they shut out UCLA and Wyoming last year, and were then torched by UNLV, CSU, TCU and Utah.

    Don't go printing those NC 2009 shirts just yet. Settle down, it's 2 games.

    FYI - playing the coulda game is ridiculous. BYU could have had 6 losses last year if they didn't pull out some close games. Nobody cares.

  • Nothing matters but the W!
    Sept. 14, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    Just win baby! Go Utes! It doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 50. It's still the same!
    One game a time.

  • Boise State Fan
    Sept. 14, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    The little yewties are going to be beat single handed by the Ducks.

    RE: BAMA Fan 2:43 p.m. Isn't it interesting that the EWE's are still living in the past........

    Wait until next week and we will read even more about the past and their Sugar Bowl Win.


  • SD Husker
    Sept. 14, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Amazing how Forcier has a "great" game against ND and is now "a superstar" yet was not nearly as good as Wynn in high school. What the heck are the Utes coaches thinking? Play the champion! Win with Wynn!!

  • BYU's defense
    Sept. 14, 2009 5:21 p.m.

    FIVE WRs?

    Are you planning on having an offensive lineman play QB?

    BYU's defense has the speed and savy to handle the multiple WR sets this season. If opposing teams leave their backfield empty like that very often, they had better have a very good backup QB because Jan and Colby will have a field day with unhindered shots on the QB!

  • 16 and on
    Sept. 14, 2009 5:22 p.m.

    Kyle will get his boys ready and wrinkles ironed out. As a student and die-hard Utah fan I'm not worried a bit.

    Go Utes!!!

  • RE: BYU's defense 5:21
    Sept. 14, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    Yes 5 WRs!! 5 lineman, 1 QB and with an empty backfield, 5 WRs 5+5+1=....11 which crazy as it sounds, is the number of players on the field...wierd.

  • again...
    Sept. 14, 2009 6:23 p.m.

    Regardless of which school you attend, please respect the Ute tribe and refrain from using ignorant names such as Yewts or Ewes or whatever. Call U supporters what you like, but please respect our Utah natives. You make yourself and your cohorts look ignorant and sometimes racist. There is no excuse for it.

  • OhioUte2218
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    Am I the only one that saw Oregon squeak past a medicore Purdue team? Yes, Utah has some work to do this week, but Oregon has a few chinks in their armor as well. Oregon is beatable. The winner will likely be the one who makes the commits the least number of turnovers. If Utah corrects the turn overs, they will be just fine.

  • re: again... | 6:23 p.m.
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:05 p.m.

    NOBODY is disrespecting the Ute tribe!

    if they're showing disrespect it's to Utah's mascot; if you don't like the Utah mascot being disrepected, then petition the U to stop using your tribal name for their sports teams; if you allow your name to be used as a mascot, then you have no complaint when that mascot is disrespected!

  • re: 4 or 5 WR's
    Sept. 14, 2009 7:13 p.m.

    NCAA Offensive Scrimmage Rules 1-1-1-b-2 and 7-1-3-b require having at least SEVEN players on the line of scrimmage.

    By definition, you could NEVER have more than THREE wide receivers. You could have additional eligible receivers, but they would be called split-ends or tight-ends.

  • Skippy
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:12 p.m.

    As a BYU fan I would just like to say Go-Utes! beat Oregon. The MWC is getting more respect.

  • Big Daddy
    Sept. 14, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    UTAH 38
    Oregon 21

    GO UTES!!!!!

  • All Is Well!
    Sept. 15, 2009 12:00 a.m.

    Everything is fine up on the hill. No team having to replace key starters on offense and defense is going to come out looking like a polished machine. I am impressed by the character of the players the Utes have had in the past few years, although Cougar fans have kept taking shots at them they have kept their integrity. Way to go Kyle and the gang.

  • Honest Look
    Sept. 15, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    Utah struggled, this does not bode well for them against a team like Oregon. Utah is vunerable this week. I hope not. BYU came out of the gate strong again. Beating Oklahoma anytime is a big deal, FSU will be a big challenge. If BYU wins, then they have a pretty decent shot at a BCS game based on their schedule. TCU, Utah, & Air Force all come to Provo. Their road games are UNLV ( possibly the biggest test on the road) Wyoming, San Diego State, & pitiful New Mexico. Funny how all the hype was last year, yet BYU is in a better position this year. Can they really get to the National Championship game, only if everything falls their way. First, they have to win.

    1. TCU toughest team left on the schedule. Speed and quickness issues for BYU exposed.

    2. FSU- They have the althletes to expose BYU's lack of speed and quickness.

    3. Utah- Struggled a bit, & they have a brutal Conference schedule UNLV, BYU, TCU & CSU road games. Plus two more quality non conference. Oregon on the road and Louisville.

    BYU needs Texas, USC,Penn State & Cal to lose. The SEC schedule will do the rest.

  • 4/5 receivers
    Sept. 15, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    receivers can line up on the line of scrimmage

  • RE:RE: 4 or 5 WR
    Sept. 15, 2009 5:33 p.m.

    They can also be called slot recievers, but they are still considered (though not technically) wide recievers, the point really being that you can have five guys spread wide without any of them being a lineman like the original post suggested.

  • CrimsonUte
    Sept. 16, 2009 8:39 a.m.

    re: history tends... "If the Pac10 officials had made the calls they were supposed to, BYU would have won that game by 3 TD's. But they didn't thanks to all the holding Washington got away with."

    Now that's rich - a BYU fan complaining about officials not making holding calls. You should watch your own O-line every once in a while, buddy.

  • re: CrimsonUte
    Sept. 16, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    Yes, of course, if you *really* watch these games, it's on the BYU o-line that holds. It's just a conspiracy that they don't call it more than they do...