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  • Love the "anyone-anywhere"
    Aug. 23, 2009 10:23 p.m.

    attitude of Bronco and the BYU administration.

    It is this attitude that will allow BYU to continue to attract top LDS athletes and to eventually crack the BCS barrier.

    Over the years, BYU has played almost every major CFB programs with a couple of glaring exceptions-they have never played Florida or Nebraska or Tennessee among others over the years. Would love to see any of these traditional powers on the schedule in future years.

    And truly hope that Coach Anderson turns around the USU program-so that it is not such a negative impact on the the SoS.

    Congrats to Tom Holmoe and the Cougars for pulling together such a BCS-worthy schedule.

    Win or lose in Dallas, it is an excellent start of a long-term process of gaining access to an eventual BCS championship game.

  • Sierra Blue
    Aug. 23, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    Holmoe did a great job jumping on this opportunity.

    I think the maturity of the BYU team pays great dividends for a season opener. The game will be closer than expected.

    You've got to beat the best to be the best!

    Go Cougars!

  • prove Holmoe wrong
    Aug. 23, 2009 10:38 p.m.

    Show him and your fans you are the best team!

    Go Cougars.

  • Utah Man
    Aug. 23, 2009 10:44 p.m.

    "Over the years, BYU has played almost every major CFB programs"

    I don't think BYU has played Weber State. We at Utah are not afraid to open up the schedule with them!!!

  • Cornhusker
    Aug. 23, 2009 11:02 p.m.

    Rise and Shout the Cougars are out!
    Go Cougs!

  • Excitement in the air
    Aug. 24, 2009 12:40 a.m.

    Less than two weeks untill kickoff... I can not wait!!!! Go cougars, time to make our mark... Bigger

  • Win or Lose...
    Aug. 24, 2009 2:47 a.m.

    ... this is a great opportunity. "Anyone Anywhere," 100% agreed. You play the best to be the best. Sure, losses can and do happen playing Oklahoma-caliber opponents. (Just ask the rest of the Big 12.) That just means you still have more work to do. But when you WIN... you know you're doing something right!

    Like the positive talk on this board so far--the Ute trolls must not be awake yet. Sure hope it stays that way for a while. Let's hope BYU's ready to WIN this game! Go Cougars!

  • Bob in line
    Aug. 24, 2009 5:09 a.m.

    Just in case we get a host of comments bashing BYU having played Northern Iowa, etc. Has anyone bothered to look at the schedules of Florida, Tennessee, etc?

    Admitted, they play great teams but take Tennessee, they will play 8 home games! Shocking! And then they will have a couple of complete powder puff teams and actually lost to one of those "powder puff" teams last year.

    In any case, BYU, Utah, etc play a solid schedule with as many road games as home.

    I think BYU will do respectable in this game. TCU wasn't able to handle Oklahoma though that was at Oklahoma. This is close to a home game for them but we will have so many fans around. And our strength matches up against theirs.

  • Weber state
    Aug. 24, 2009 5:39 a.m.

    Sorry there's no money in it..

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 6:06 a.m.

    To "Love the "anyone anywhere:""

    When you can't beat anyone good its lucky for you that you can play some teams like USU that get you into a bowl game (that you usually lose) every year. Don't worry, this year USU won't be the worst team you play.

  • here come the utes
    Aug. 24, 2009 6:24 a.m.

    It's still fairly early-- by days end there will be 50 or more anti BYU posts by Ute fans.

  • Let's see...
    Aug. 24, 2009 6:50 a.m.

    $3M for taking a loss. What decision is there to make? How is it that we are able to quickly spin Holmoe into rocket scientist?

    I'll bet that Oklahoma was thrilled to be playing BYU given our remarkable record against ranked opponents.

  • This can be our BCS Bowl
    Aug. 24, 2009 7:11 a.m.

    "A lot of people are afraid to play the intersectional games because they're afraid they might lose and might not go to a BCS game."

    Given the large payout, national exposure on ESPN, top 5 opponent, semi-neutral field, carnival atmosphere, why not view this as a BCS bowl? Rather than schedule down (as Hawaii did) to back your way into a BCS bowl, why not create a BCS-like bowl game during the regular season. As mentioned elsewhere, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to make this call. Good job Holmoe!

  • RE: Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 7:26 a.m.

    can't beat anyone good? So, when the cougars beat teams like Utah, TCU, Oregon, etc... those opponents are not considered "good?" It's usually the 10+ wins a year that get the Cougars into a bowl game. I don't care who the opponents are, if you win 10 or more games, the team is going to a bowl game. Go ahead USU, drop BYU from the schedule and put another patsy on there. USU's schedule is already loaded with patsies by playing in the WAC but go ahead and schedule 3 non-conference games against weak teams (if you can find 3 weaker teams than the bottom of the WAC.) Either way, USU doesn't get 10 wins... and no bowl.

    I would like to see the aggies do well. However, they have a long way to go to be a team that earns a bowl bid. It's a little strange to have USU fans insinuating that BYU is weak. Are all the mirrors broken in Logan?

  • UtahMan
    Aug. 24, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    Oklahoma? Give me a break - we've got San Jose State!!

  • little early
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:11 a.m.


    Historically BYU has not done any better in the beginning of the season BIG games than they do against ranked opponents in bowl games.

    Some times the team plays suprisingly well but get let down when the coaches get outcoached. Oklahoma is a huge game where in reality they have very little chance of winning.

    Perhaps play Utah twice so they could figure out how to beat them would be something more bite size than the dream of beating a team like Oklahoma.

  • Ute Fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    I'm a long-time Ute fan and heavily support the U of U and the team. BUT, I really want BYU to win the Oklahoma game! Any even if they don't win, I hope they make it a good contest. A win or just a great game will be good for BYU, good for Utah and good for the rest of the Mountain West Conference teams.

    I think BYU has great players and great coaches - all are great human beings who just happen to either play or coach football at this time in their lives. They're just good people.

    What I hope the players can do on the 5th is BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN WIN. If they can cross that hurdle, they will win.

    Now, having said that, in November, since I'm deeply red, I hope that Utah creams BYU on the field. I have a testimony that they will.

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    BYU needs to be competitive against OK. BYU has to beat Florida State. Utah has to beat Oregon. TCU has to win there out of conference games. If these teams lose any of these games other than the OK if it is close the MWC will lose a lot of the momentum we have been gaining. People want to find a reason to write us off.

  • Nate
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    About time! BYU needs more schedules like this each year. I would rather see us lose to a BIG TIME program, than beatting Div. 1-AA teams. Now if Holmoe could just get USU off the schedule.

  • Just think
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    What a wonderful national fallout would take place if BYU were to win. No more Nebraska types claiming - "if Utah had played our schedule, then..." It instead will be the other way around.

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    "are we the best team in the country? No", how do the cougs plan to get into the BCS championship game, when they say that other teams are better than they are?

  • re: Utah Man and Anon @ 8:49 am
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    Finally two voices of reason from TUN and it's usually antagonistic fans.

    For all you young hot-headed fans of either school, it is time to "grow up and learn this great important truth" - what is good for one is good for all. For example: if you root against BYU-you only dumb down your strength of schedule. If we root against Utah, we only hurt ourselves and the MWC at the end of the day.

    After Utah's glorious Sugar Bowl shocker, this is a key season for BYU/Utah/TCU/Air Force and the entire MWC to step up and continue the trend started last year.

    Thanks Utah Man-now let's talk about your testimony...

  • Sam Bradford
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    Oklahoma - 62
    BYU - 13

  • What's up?
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    There really are people out there who get it? What's good for a MWC team against anybody, is good forthe conference. A few big wins and maybe the MWC can replace the Big Easy(t) in the BCS picture.

  • A Few Points
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    1. Historically some of BYU's biggest wins have come in the season opening game. I think BYU is often at it's best then. I still wouldn't put money on BYU against OU but I think BYU will play well.

    2. Most fans would rather experience the anticipation and actual excitement of game day against a big team like OU even with a small chance of victory than the blah lead-up and game against a Northern Iowa even if a win is guaranteed.

    3. Hawaii kind of destroyed the idea that an undefeated cupcake schedule is all you need. BSU could end up undefeated and there is still a good chance that a one-loss BYU, Utah or TCU could end up higher in the polls given the more difficult overall schedules.

    4. BYU has potentially 4 top 25 teams (5 if they get a good bowl opponent) on the schedule. It really is put up or shut up time. We are either a solid top 25 national team or a solid regional team who does well in our conference.

    5. HOW BYU plays against OU makes a huge difference. A close loss could keep them ranked.

  • Ute Fan in San Fran
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    After talking to a handful of byu fans, most say they are excited for this game. However, they are also extremely hesitant knowing that byu may get humiliated as OK is a big time program. I hope most Ute fans understand that this game presents a great opportunity for the Mountain West conference. Please, please.. fellow Utes, cheer on byu for the sake of the conference as it strengthens the argument to be AQ for the BCS. No one wins if byu loses...

  • Scheduling
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    Anyone can schedule a good team,it's a whole different ballgame to actually beat a good team.Byu has done nothing but humiliate our conference whenever they have gone up against a good BCS team.BYU has not beaten a ranked BCS team since 1998.Utah has beaten 6 ranked BCS teams just since 2003.If this conference is ever going to get an automatic bid BYU needs to start puling it's weight.We know that will never happen because you have to have talent to do that.BYU fans should not be concerned with winning against Oklahoma or even having a good showing.What they should be concerned about is simply coming out of the game in one peice.BYU will lose 5 games this year minimum.

  • $1.5 million
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Yeah, we'll take $1.5 million for playing Oklahoma. Isn't that about what utah got from their BCS bowl game after having to share with every team from the non-auto-qualifying conferences? Hahaha!! That's too funny! We don't even have to sweat going undefeated the entire year and we're going to get the same kind of big pay day! Plus we got a big check last season from the utes for their win. Oh, and did I mention BYU has a National Championship, a Heisman, and a Doak Walker Award and utah doesn't have any of those things? So sad.

  • Weber State
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    BYU played the Wildcats in 1973.

    It was ugly.

    BYU - 45
    WSC - 14

    They played again in 1979.

    It was even uglier.

    BYU - 48
    WSC - 3

    BYU stopped scheduling the Wildcats after that game. Utah should have done the same, but they threw a bone to Mac and scheduled his team last season.

  • Hey Utah Man, re. SJSU
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    That's right, you have San Jose St. I know you guys scheduled them looking for a cream puff game, as you usually do, but after SJSU beats you, they will have the last laugh!

  • Matt
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    I wish this article could have given us more information than "Holmoe didn't turn down this opportunity." How did the opportunity come up? Who called whom? How was Oklahoma selected? What other teams were considered besides BYU and OU, if any? What do BYU, Utah, TCU, and our other MWC brethren need to do to get more games like this in the future? These are the questions I would like the DesNews to answer.

  • Dumb and Dumber
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    ...So you're telling me there's a chance...

    --Jim Carrey

  • Ask
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Ask Holmoe if he thought Bradford would still be Oklahoma. He, and everyone else, thought Bradford was leaving and that this was a rebuilding year the Sooners.

  • I wonder
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    Wow, the comments on this board have been much more mature than I've seen for a while. Could it be that all the kiddies have gone back to school?

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    I hope BYU is able to beat Oklahoma and I hope utah can beat USU and San Jose State.

  • CBT
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    BYU will be much better than last year, but BYU is still 2-3 years away from being at an elite level on the field. The recruiting shows as much. In 2-3 years, they will have the stud LB core playing, a great QB, and some amazing receivers. As always, the lines will be solid too. If the Cougars can get some great DB's in the mix who perform, BYU has a shot at some great seasons. I would love to see BYU go 11-1 or 10-2 this year (gotta beat Utah!), but 9-3 would still be a great year (if they beat Utah!) and win the bowl game. I am all for dreaming big, but keeping the perspective real.

  • If BYU can just...
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    I don't think that BYU will come close to stopping Oklahomas offense. I'm hoping that the O-line will hold up and they will be able to put up enough points to make it respectable. It's not really BYU I hate, it's their fans! That's why I love wearing my Utah tie to church on Sundays.

  • 1984 all over again!!!!
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:34 a.m.

    If the BYU's beat oklamohas, I belive that they will be the NUMBER 1 at the end of the year. They kill the Utes to and even Florida State. Go Coogs! You can do it!!!

  • derek
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    Holmoe has done a good job in scheduling, but I think his logic is truly flawed when he says they would never schedule 4 in a year.

    Why wouldn't you play 3 or 4 perrenial teams like the Sooners every year?

    If you win all of them, you go to the national championship game.

    If you lose 1 you go to a bcs bowl. TCU would have gone with one loss if they had beaten Utah and had Boise St. lost.

  • derek
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    If you lose all 4, then you still go to the ridiculous Las Vegas Bowl if you win the conference. The way they were scheduling the last few years, even had they gone undefeated, they still would have ended up in Sin City.

    The way BYU has it this season is right for a BCS bowl. Give them credit. But because the Power Conferences have a conference championship game to boost their credentials so they can access the National Championship game, they will never get there without scheduling 3 or 4 great teams every year.

    Just ask USC!!! Even the MIGHTY Trojans of the PAC 10 (I mean PAC-1) has a hard time getting there because of NO conference championship game.

  • Think again TOM!!
    Aug. 24, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    come on Tom, you really think BYU can match up with OU on the road ... in OU's home conference? OU has the best QB in the county in Bradford and probably the most NFL bound talent next to Florida than any other college team. BYU doesn't have the athletes to compete against OU this year and there is no shame in admitting that. If BYU had last years O-LINE and maybe a defense with some size and speed (which they don't) then I would say ok do it but NOT THIS YEAR!! BYU is going to get smoked by 5 touch downs at least and that doesn't build any bodies program - JUST ASK UTAH STATE!!!

  • Beating OU will set us up
    Aug. 24, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    Gee, after we beat those pesky sooners we (BYU) will be ranked in the top 10 and be in line for a national championship.... of course if you believe that I have some nice swamp land along the shores of Utah Lake I am also selling for a bargain price!!!!

  • Jumped at....
    Aug. 24, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    $3,000,000.


    Holmoe has the system down to a tee. He gets a huge pay day to be the punching bag for Oklahoma. And has received over $1,000,000 from his rival (Utah) as they have busted the BCS twice.

    The guy is a genious.

  • Re: Ute Fan 8:28 am
    Aug. 24, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    I am an avid BYU fan, but I can tell that you are a good guy and I like you.

  • reply CBT:
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:08 p.m.

    9-3 is not good this year, anything less then 10-2 is pathetic especially with a senior quarterback

  • Dave
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    I love all the paranoia of the Zoob fans waiting for all the Ute comments on here. It really goes to show who the true insecure fans are.

  • Judd
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:31 p.m.

    I will be the first to admit The utes are a great football team and have some great players. Having said that I still can not stand the Ute fans. I do not know if it is their fans always telling us how self rightous we are or just thier obnoxious attitudes. I cheered for the Utes against Alabmam. Serious it would be so much easier to like the Utes Football team if a lot of their fans werent such big jerks. Some there fans show class most of them are just haters and have very little to offer by way of informitive discussion. While I wish the Utes success except one game a year I really wish some of thier fans would just go away.

  • Agree w/ Nate Play the best
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:36 p.m.

    Rather lose to a great team than play a I-AA team. That is why the PAC 10 pipe dream would be great. BYU and Utah would not win that conference except VERY seldom, but 6-6 in the pac-10 would be more fun to watch every year than an occasional undefeated season in the lowly MWC. That said I can't believe OU isn't #2 I am afraid it will be a boat race hopefully the D can hold OU under 40.

  • What's good for the MWC!
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    What What's Up? said...

    "There really are people out there who get it? What's good for a MWC team against anybody, is good forthe conference. A few big wins and maybe the MWC can replace the Big Easy(t) in the BCS picture."

    Lets not forget that Wyoming plays Texas this year as well. That's an even bigger long shot than BYU-Oklahoma, but dang, if Wyoming takes down Texas... GO MWC!!!

    And the Cougars will be seeing you in another National Championship game! >8)

  • to Ute Fan in San Fran
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    BYU plays #3 Oklahoma and Utah plays #110 Utah State. Your practice of dissing BYU by not capitalizing their name is typical of the ignorant Utah fan. Walk half way across the Golden Gate bridge and then take a sharp left turn, BYU doesn't need your approval.

  • BYU fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 1:54 p.m.

    I know it fun for Utahman to diss BYU by not capitalizing their name, but it only shows your ignorance. BYU doesn't need your vote.

  • re: 1:42PM
    Aug. 24, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    And to open last season Utah traveled to play Michigan, who was ranked in the top 25 at that time, while BYU opened at home with NORTHERN IOWA. A DII football team.

    Utah also beat Oregon State, who had more wins in the PAC -10 than UCLA and Washington...COMBINED.

    What is your point? BYU took the opportunity to get paid $3,000,000 to get whipped by Oklahoma. It's a good move for them. Huge pay day, no expectations, great. This game doesn't undo the terrible schedule BYU had in previous years.

  • Cougar 73
    Aug. 24, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    The SEC usually has the cream of the crop when it comes to speed, etc. But, like the Sugar Bowl when the Utes did a number on Alabama, sometime those teams get a little over confident. I still think speed is still lacking for the Cougars and speed kills. One gets tired chaseing those guys around. Now if the game was in Provo? I hope they are competitive for the Mt. West and get the conference the respect it deserves.

  • Only a Ute would say...
    Aug. 24, 2009 3:29 p.m.

    Only an Arrogant, Immature Ute would say, "Yeah, We are the BEST team in the country, We are going to Crush Oklahoma!"

    Meanwhile, A mature and respectful BYU says, "We are in a position now where we can play this game. We think our team really understands what they're in for. They respect Oklahoma a great deal. We intend to play well to represent our school and our league."

    Holmoe is spot on. He is optimistic and practical. I know that BYU will give it their best shot and may even walk away with a win. Go Cougs!

  • Arizona Reader
    Aug. 24, 2009 3:37 p.m.

    We may not be as good as last years Ute team, but if they can pull off a huge upset and dominate Alabama the way they did, I have to believe that BYU has a chance to pull this game off.

    It comes down to preparation, believing it and actually doing it. Its time that the Y do some damage in football again. I'm a fan and I'm tired of watching our "glory days" 25 years ago! Living in the days of Bosco's '84 teams or the year that Detmer beat Miami is just the opposite of what this program needs. Sure, history is great and can be rich, but when we haven't done REAL damage in nearly 20 years and haven't put out an NFL all-star like we used to, it's time to put our game where it needs to be. Go get 'em Cougs, make them remember the day they played the Y!!!

  • BAD for MWC
    Aug. 24, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    This is big time for BYU and MWC, but they're going to get slaughtered...even if they did play well MWC won't get respect...Utah has proved everyone wrong those 2 years and MWC still gets disrespected.

  • RootforBYU
    Aug. 24, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    While its not likely BYU can or will win this game, as BYU fans, lets show them that we can Root the best. Let's show those dirty Okies that we are true, and Root the very best with the most spirit. Yay.

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    Why did BYU walk away from a good opportunity to play Arizona State? That is an opportunity lost, another good game and program to gain national credibility.

  • Big Ute Fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:24 p.m.

    Funny how BYU gets more money playing Oklahoma than Utah's share of BCS money last year.

    Utah fans need to suck it up and pull for BYU in this one. The BCS tyranny is a much larger issue than the petty instate rivalry of our two schools.

    Bring down the BCS!

    Although I do want Boise to lose.

  • Melissa
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    I'm sick of hearing all the negative vibes about BYU's prospects. There's no doubt Oklahoma is a tough team, but tough teams have been beaten before. Why not BYU? What not in Texas?

    All the "realists" are actually pessimists. I'm cheering loud for a win from start to finish, because I believe in heart, tenacity, determination, and miracles! Only optimism can win a game and fans can have huge sway in helping to lock in on that mind set. Play to win and nothing less!

  • Looking forward to it
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    It doesn't matter to me if BYU wins or loses the game. It's going to be a GREAT game. How many teams will ever get the opportunity to play a GOOD team, play in a brand new football stadium that has the technology of most recent. I would have thought Medenhall and Holmoe crazy if they had declined the offer. It's a GREAT opportunity for BYU to play against a big caliber team. Way to go! Go have a GREAT game BYU! I'll be watching the game on ESPN! Yayyyyyyyyy!

  • Utah Fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    I'll be pulling big time for BYU in this one! Go win a big game like Utah has been doing. It is great for the conference and the State of Utah. I'll raise my Budweiser and sing the Cougar fight song if you win - can somebody send me the words?

  • VA Man-of-War
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:47 p.m.

    Hey all Utah fans!
    How many National Championships have you won?
    Oh, that's right, ZERO!!!!
    And by the way, all you Va Tech fans - you might get your bottoms handed to you by Alabama (I hope).
    Go Virginia and BYU!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    No news is good news, neh?

    p.s. byu's 1984 team has just as much claim to the national championship as any team that ever finished undefeated. which is zero! they're all NCs or none of them are until we get a playoff.

    Now if you want to talk about accomplishments, that's another story...

  • utah ute forever
    Aug. 24, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Dear Cougar loser:

    Utah has won 2 national Championships:

    2004 undefeated
    2008 undefeated

    Just like the 84 team of the cougars undefeated.


  • an educated fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    The whole NC conversation is tainted and if it should ever be null and void when talking trash to the other programs it's Utah.. Assuming the pretense that the reason the BCS exists is due to the fact that BYU won a National title in 84.. (which i am proud and glad they won) But Utah has gone undefeated twice and has not even had a sniff at a national title.. the 04 had it's closest win by 14 pts.. it's safe to say they were NEVER tested.. And truth be told under the current system BYU would not have a shot at the title either. So talk about how dominate you were in the 80's tell me how great the 96 team was. Tell me how much better you are for winning with more consistency than us but dont drop the NC line on me.. Go utes! go Cougs beat FSU and Oklahoma! but on November 28th GO UTES

  • Ute Fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    Here is one died-in-the-red-wool Utah fan who sincerely hopes Tom Holmoe is correct. True story. I hope BYU's program has become a program that can handle a game like this year's opener.

    Also, I can't think of anything better than a Thanksgiving-time game later this year between undefeated Utah and BYU teams.

    Plus, if the MWC ever wants to be taken seriously, year after year it must beat teams like Michigan, Florida State, Oregon, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. It is the only thing that will work in terms of national prestige, and the only thing that will ever get the MWC a permanent seat at the BCS table.

    So, while BYU is the big underdog in the upcoming game (probably no more so that Utah was in last year's Sugar Bowl--I can't remember the point-spread for that game) -- Go Cougars!

  • BYU fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    BYU is going to get POUNDED into bits. We have Dennis Pitta, Max Hall (average) and nobody else. Collie was the only reason BYU had any success the last few years. He was the whole team, and now we have nothing. I'm bracing for the worst season in a while. The U will also struggle. They've got a lot of decent players, but once again they have nothing in the QB slot. It's going to be a tough one for the MWC

  • re: utah ute forever
    Aug. 24, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    You have to finish ranked #1 to win a National Championship.

    Close, as in #2 or #4, doesn't count.

    Show us your National Championship trophy Utah.

  • re:re utah ute forever 6:58
    Aug. 24, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    dude did you not read what an educated fan wrote just after that? YOU CANT THROW THAT IN UTES FACES. it's like making fun of the la dodgers for never winning the super bowl. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, In this day and age for a non BCS conference team to win a national title. As Utah has shown us, in 04 and 08. so enough with the National title garbage use your intelligence im assuming you have considering you went to BYU.

  • Another re: utah ute forever
    Aug. 24, 2009 7:53 p.m.

    "You have to finish ranked #1 to win a National Championship..."

    I know that post was written by a 15-year-old by the shallowness of the author's reasoning. Look, young BYU fans, the rules were different in 1984 than they were in 2004 and 2008. If Utah had had either of their 2004 or 2008 seasons in 1984, they, too, would have been awarded the National Championship. Ask anyone on BYU's 1984 football team, and they will tell you the same thing. The rules of awarding the National Championship changed after BYU's championship in 1984, making it impossible for a non-BCS school like Utah or BYU today to be awarded the National Championship.


    What part of my explanation do you not understand?

  • Believer - history can repeat!
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:25 p.m.

    Hey, last time I looked...BYU has already beaten OK...Walsch was the QB...in 1994...and the final score was....31 to 6...but wait, this wasn't the same Oklahoma team that we're playing in 2009 is it?....no, but...the BYU Coug's have played and beaten an OK team before, will they beat them this time, who knows, perhaps not, but they'll give them a game and we don't know how our team will respond...they may very well win the game! Who would have thought the '94 team was going to beat Oklahoma back then...hmmmmmmm?

  • Impossible?
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:31 p.m.

    It was considered IMPOSSIBLE for an unranked, non-power conference team to win a National Championship in 1984.

    But, BYU did!

    There have been many undefeated teams that haven't won national championships (see Penn State and Auburn), so Utah fans feel free to get in the whine line to complain about the injustice of being undefeated, but not being national champions.

    In 2004, USC (13-0), Auburn (13-0) and Utah (12-0) were ALL undefeated, but only USC got to play in the championship game.

    Bowl Championship Series
    Year / School / Selecting Organization
    2008 Florida BCS
    2004 Southern California BCS

    AP Final Poll
    2008 #1 Florida, #2 Utah
    2004 #1 USC, #4 Utah

    Until the NCAA sponsors a playoff to determine the major college football national champion, #1 in the final polls will continue to be the ONLY criteria for winning a National Championship.

    Bottom line:

    BYU has National Championship trophies in their display case, Utah does not.

  • Bronco Speak
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:45 p.m.

    Bronco needs to talk to the other "Bronco" coach Chris Peterson, who already beat OUch.

  • BSU Bronco Fan
    Aug. 24, 2009 8:56 p.m.

    Re: Root for BYU, 3:50pm

    I attended the 2007 Fiesta Bowl epic win vs Oklahoma. We found their fans to be first rate before, during and after the game. Certainly they were not worthy of being labeled "dirty Okies".

    Attitudes like yours makes this active LDS man wonder if the Church would be better represented if BYU got out of the competitive sports business altogether.

  • Odds have OU by 22
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:11 p.m.

    That is clearly not enough. Mortgage the house and put it all down on OU.

    Bradford had OU averaging more than 50 points last year. Texas held OU to 35 and Florida held OU to 24. TCU actually held OU to 35, but only scored 10. The y has shown no signs of being in TCU's class, let alone Florida or Texas' class.

    I heard a key to the y's game plan is to hold OU to 21 points. It is nice to have a plan. I plan to own a private island by Belize. I figure I have at least as much chance as the y has at obtaining its goal.

    Prediction:

    OU 55
    y 17

  • BYU schedule
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    With the tough Schedule BYU has, playing 4 ranked opponents, if they find a way to run the table and go undefeated, they would make a very strong case to play for the national Championship. Now im Cougars fan and im not saying at all we will run the table, just putting it out there that this is the type of schedule a MWC team needs to have if they really want a shot to turn some heads and get the national respect they are looking for. I donno if byu can beat Okla, but even if they can just keep it respectable, they will still have a good shot at a BCS bowl. Remember TCU lost to okla by 25 last year, but they were still in BCS consideration until they lost to utah. So if BYU can keep it around say 17 points or less they will still be very much in the running for a BCS bowl, provided they are able to run the table the rest of the way.

  • Henry Drummond
    Aug. 24, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    I looked at the schedules of several of the so-called "power" schools and the fact is that they only play three or four ranked teams in a year. That is exactly what BYU, Utah, and TCU are doing. The trick now is to start winning those games. Utah and TCU have started racking up a pretty good record. BYU has only beaten one ranked team in 23 tries. Its time to knock off one of the big guys. I'm a Ute fan, but we NEED BYU to beat Oklahoma and Florida State if the conference as a whole is going to continue to gain respect.

  • Anonymous
    Aug. 24, 2009 10:30 p.m.

    my not a byu or utah but a college football fan. BYU HAS NO CHANCE AT ALL. IF they can't beat a 7-5 Arizona team that isn't very good how can they beat OU.

  • staypuffinpc
    Aug. 24, 2009 11:48 p.m.

    @Utah Fan: raise your glass and sing, my friend. Here're the words:

    Rise, all loyal Cougars and hurl your challenge to the foe.
    You will fight, day or night, rain or snow.
    Stalwart men and true
    Wear the White and Blue.
    As we sing, get set to spring.
    Come on Cougars, it's up to you!

    CHORUS:
    So Rise and Shout, the Cougars are out
    And on the trail to fame and glory.
    Rise and shout, our cheers will ring out,
    As you unfold your vict'ry story.
    On you go to vanquish the foe
    For Alma Mater's sons and daughters.
    As we join in song, in praise of you, our faith is strong.
    We'll raise our colors high in the blue,
    And cheer the Cougars of BYU.

  • Weber State
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    Weber State has a better chance of beating Oklahoma than BYWho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Reality
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:28 a.m.

    OU is still furious about the smackdown they suffered at the hands of the non-BCS BSU. They are seething about being shown up on the national stage in what many talking heads are calling one of the top 10 college football games ever.
    OU is coming out of the gates firing on all cylinders with their ears pinned back and nostrils flaring. Wouldn't matter whether it was BYU-Provo or BYU-ID's Co-Rec Flag Football champs, OU is seeing red and are out to avenge the loss to BSU in the Fiesta Bowl. I would not be surprised to see OU score 50+ in the first half. OU will leave the starters in the entire game and BYU will wish they were only getting beat as badly as BSU did in the snow a few years ago.
    Pray for the Cougars to get out of Oklahoma without major injuries. I would not want to be in their shoes. OU is mad, upset and they're looking to take out their anger on the hapless Cougs.
    Good Luck to the Cougs. Play safe, at times it's best to just live to play another day.

  • UtahMan
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    Diehard Ute fan here, I wish you well against OK. It is great for you and the MWC. The early polls show 3 MWC teams in the top twenty. Yet the BCS says we are not good enough to be in a BCS Championship game. (I refuse to call it a National Championship.) Florida #1 and Texas #2 are playing Charleston Southern and Louisian Monore, OK is showing some courage also by playing a legit team in BYU.
    I wish the Cougars well in their game. Ute, Cougar or Horn Frog, a well played game will benefit all of us. A victory would be spectacular and add to the prestige of the MWC.

  • re: anon | 10:30
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:37 a.m.

    If Utah couldn't beat UNLV, how did they ever beat Alabama?

    Oh wait, different seasons; different teams, different results.

    But, typical shallow Ute logic that last season's results determine what will happen this season.

    Utah fans should be more worried about how their team is going to do minus most of their key offensive and defensive and special teams players from last season.

  • re; impossible?
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:39 a.m.

    your comment really makes no sense.. let me see if i can sum up what youre trying to say.. so because other teams from BCS conferences have gone undefeated it gives the utes no reason to complain about not getting a SHOT to play for a National title? and mysteriously you threw Florida on the list for 2008. THEY LOST AT HOME!So last year there was 1 undefeated school in the country. Does that mean that we won the National title?? hmmm And so answer me this:
    Under CURRRENT BCS rules do you think that the BYU cougars of 1984 would have recieved a shot at a title? IF you answer yes then you know even less about college football and the current BCS situation then i thought.. so in all fairness what Ute fans are saying is it is unfair to argue that BYU is better on the resolve that BYU won a National Title and Utah hasn't.. Stop being ignorant and see the facts. - an EDUCATED fan

  • re: If BYU can just
    Aug. 25, 2009 12:48 a.m.

    And it's not really Utah, SLC, or the U on the mountain I hate, it's their fans, administration, and inability to be satisfied with their own work, and not constantly antagonize BYU with their "little brother" complex.

    I don't think the Utes do this because of BYU's winning tradition in football, but because BYU's academic standards are so much higher.

    Having a school beat you in football hurts--having a school reject your application for admission breeds resentment--just ask UVU students.

    Now please go back to your own team's comment section.

  • Just one thing needed:
    Aug. 25, 2009 5:27 a.m.

    You must come very close to a win, or you forever label the school as a bottom of the top 20 schools pick at best. Our futility against major schools is widely known and discussed outside of UT. (I've lived almost 20 years now in TX and have kids in school at OU).

    OU and it's fans are certain this game is their gimme this year. Do well !

  • re: an EDUCATED fan
    Aug. 25, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Under the current rules, just like under the old rules, the ONLY criteria for winning a National Championship is being ranked #1 in the final poll of the season.

    An AP National Championship is just as valid as a BCS National Championship (see USC). The NCAA doesn't sponsor either.

    Nobody said that Utah didn't deserve a shot at playing for the National Championship; the only thing that was said was that being undefeated doesn't automatically mean you've won a National Championship.

    Just because the BCS conferences hijacked college football and requires voters to vote the winner of the BCS championship game #1, doesn't mean that it's anymore valid than the old system where every voter could decide for themselves in the final poll which team deserves to be #1.

    Until we have a playoff, where every team has an equal opportunity to earn the championship on the field, the major college football National Champion will continue to be decided by voters in the polls.

  • Sweet Tie
    Aug. 25, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    That's all

  • Sheltered Youth in Utah County
    Aug. 25, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    Congrats to BYU on their upcoming game at OK. BYU 9 OK 49

  • re: Reality
    Aug. 25, 2009 3:39 p.m.

    Ooooo, we're soooo scared.

    I think similar thoughts of "BYU is going to get walloped" were floating about when we went up against #3 Pitt in 1984 and also against #1 Miami in 1990. And when ranked #5 we weren't even favored to beat #12 K. State in the Cotton Bowl in January 1997.

    We may not win this one...but then again, we might.

  • RE: ALL BYU FANS
    Aug. 25, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    Take a look at the list of comments. As of right now, there are 91 total. Less than 20 from Ute fans, and probably 75% of the ones that are are cheering BYU on vs. Oklahoma. For you BYU fans that always say that Utah fans are actually BYU haters and have nothing better to do than come on and make fun of BYU, that's gotta be a big blow to the argument and ego, huh? Keep drinking the 1984 kool-aid.

  • Sooner fan in Utah
    Aug. 25, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    I'm a sooners fan and I'll be honest, BYU has a next to no chance of beating oklahoma. I hope they play a respectable game though to keep themselves in the top 25.

  • Re: Re: All BYU FANS
    Aug. 25, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    It does seem there is an awfully high number of well wishing Ute fans today, but I'm not exactly sure I follow the argument of how our ego is tied to the number of Ute haters that are on message boards about BYU football. Unless, of course, your trying to get into a "big brother/little brother" nerd fight. As for this cougar fan, I'll just keep cheering for Utah and BYU to go undefeated until November. I cannot think of anything better than having the rivalry game each year be for the state title, an undefeated season, a conference title, a BCS Birth.

    The most self interested example of why Utah should be rooting for BYU against OU is that the winner of the rivalry game, if both teams were undefeated at that point, would definitely go to a BCS game and have a legitimate chance at going to the NC game. BTW, we have Utah's performance against 'bama last year to thank for that. So why wouldn't I cheer for Utah in every game but one? It's nice to see that catching on up on the hill.

  • re: re: If BYU can just
    Aug. 26, 2009 8:36 p.m.

    As a UVU student who left BYU to go to UVU, I can tell you there are plenty of people who go to UVU because they don't want to be at BYU. UVU has some great programs that BYU will never have, and some programs that are way better than BYU's. I am a fan of BYU football, but don't act like BYU is the end all be all of school's in the state. I chose not to go to BYU.

  • Jumped all right ...
    Aug. 27, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    ... after getting news handed to him and soiling his tidy little self.