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  • WHAT!?
    July 23, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    One way or another Jordan is going to get you!!

  • Cheaper?
    July 23, 2009 7:18 a.m.

    Schools need the money!! The Jordan district was a better deal for all. I thought this was pitched by the mayors as being a less expensive alternative? We east siders are so stupid!. I will gladly vote for this and then some but the politicians that pushed for the split should be voted out. The Jordan District was a great value for us and the economies of scale worked well.

  • May I have this dance?
    July 23, 2009 7:35 a.m.

    Tax payers waltzed again.

    Tell us again what a good deal it will be to split up the Jordan School district?

    Full employment act for school administrators.

  • Great deal
    July 23, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    One month after the bus parade and birthday cake we have the first tax increase. Welcome to reality Canyon District taxpayers.

  • HaHaHa
    July 23, 2009 7:52 a.m.

    HoHoHo. This is REALLY funny. Those who saw cost savings now desperately need to growth revenue from the west. To split was a terrible decision to start with and now it's rearing its ugly head!

    HaHaHaHoHoHo! Glad I don't live in either district!

  • remember to vote
    July 23, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    It's hard to tell what will get through the moderator of this forum, since there's no published rules. But here goes again.

    People, you have to remember to vote. Utah has the lowest voter turnout, or near to it, in the nation. And then weird things happen.

    Jordan was THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE school district in the country. In an election where only about a third of the citizens voted, and where less than half of the school district was allowed to vote, only one sixth (1/6) of the citizens needed to show up to vote against this ridiculous split.

    They didn't. The east side got what the east side voted for.

  • Hank
    July 23, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    Haha haha haha. But don't worry, they will focus on the schools on the East side. Someday. Maybe.

  • splitme2
    July 23, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    So, Canyon District wanted to break away so they didn't have to pay for west side schools and students? Humm, now they are paying for west side schools and students?

  • Dee
    July 23, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    That didn't take long.

  • Sodiedog
    July 23, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    To HaHaHa, if you own property in Salt Lake County, you will be paying for the split. It's part of the State Legislature's Equalized Building Assessment. Taxpayers in Salt Lake City, Granite, and Murray Districts will ship their dollars to Jordan to pay for the legislatively permitted divorce. Tax notices come out very soon.

  • dismayed
    July 23, 2009 8:18 a.m.

    Wasn't one of the reason for the split the East side was tired of building all the West side schools? Now they are going to do it anyway? Who's great idea was this in the first place? The millions of dollars that have flushed down the toilet without helping one student makes me sick.

  • Results of Split
    July 23, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    The only result of this split is double administration costs.

    Didn't anyone that voted for this take economics? Economies of scale are real! Jordan received accalades for being the most efficient and lowest administrative cost district in the nation. Now that has been destroyed and we have two administrations.

    I thought we lived in a state where one party ruled and that party is the party of anti-government. So why did we increase government? Looks like many in the legislature are lying about their ideaology. They have the ideaology of destroy public schools rather than less government.

  • RE: remember to vote
    July 23, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    remember to vote: the tax increase is going to be used for the JORDAN DISTRICT, not for funding the Canyons. After we voted, the legislature decided to pass the equalization bill so now we're ALL responsible for building Jordan District's (fancy) new schools. This tax hike is only vaguely linked to the split.

  • Anonymous
    July 23, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    If you want a real eye-opener, find out how much these administrators are paying themselves and you will find you were duped.

  • Louslugger
    July 23, 2009 8:27 a.m.

    My Friends,
    I know how eager you all are to bash the Canyons School district for who knows why but please, please pay attention before you start on another ill-informed ignorant rant. The Countywide equalization tax was created by the legislature and is applied to all school districts in Salt Lake County not a tax created by Canyons due to fiscal mis-management. Even though the Canyons district wanted to split to stop paying for growth somewhere else, they are still required to do so via the legislature not their own ineptitude. Please read before you rant!

  • Anonymous
    July 23, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    The spokeswoman in another article was quoted as saying "We have to raise enough money to pay our bills." Shouldn't a means of paying the bills already been in place? I don't live in either district (thank goodness) and it upsets me.

  • formersaltlaker
    July 23, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Who did not see this coming? How on earth can having two districts save money. Hate to say I told you so.. no wait a minute, I am happy to say I told you so. This was a boondoggle right from the start. Many people affected weren't even allowed to vote. If I lived out there I would be outraged.

  • Hvala
    July 23, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    It sounds like no one even read the article. Another case of reading the headline and commenting.

    First of all the district itself is proposing the increase. Second they are doing it because of legislation passed after the district split which entailed raising money to build schools for the new Jordan district. It seems the new Canyons district is still paying for the new schools, but at least other SL County districts are chipping in too.

    It would pay to read the article first.

  • re: Louslugger
    July 23, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    The 3.8 million to the equalization tax was taken into account in the canyons district initial budget. This tax increase is not covering that, they simply mention that because they know they are going to get nailed for this.

    If you look at what it is actually going on it's to cover expenses that they didn't anticipate (even though their experts told them they should have). Why don't they show some responsibility and dip into the surplus they set aside in their budget. Isn't that what a surplus is for?

    No instead they are going to keep the surplus and raise taxes.

    Take a lesson from other districts and cut administration, dip into your surplus, and stop building an empire on the backs of people.

  • Wonderful
    July 23, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    In 2006, the top 10 % payed 63 % of the taxes in this country. I'm always glad to go to work to support my fellow Americans and illegal immigrants.
    Ey Oh Ey oh it's off to work I go.....

  • Got what they deserve
    July 23, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.......this is awesome! This district should be called the Grand Canyon School District since this is the amount of money that it will take to fix all the 60 year old schools, bribe...errrrr.... i mean vote for the tax to happen. Because after all this district is ran by lawyers. And you know what they say about any lawyer at the bottom of the ocean....

    But wait all those east siders that voted have this money so good luck!!!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....cannot stop laughing.

  • To: Louslugger
    July 23, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    The legislators from the east side in cahoots with the mayors from the east side decided that this split would be wonderful and pushed for it. They promised taxes would not be raised, that this new district would be able to provide all the same programs, have less administration, be more responsive to the people, have smaller class sizes, and pay teacher more. Which one of these "promises" are they going to keep?

    Maybe if they didn't have 2 PR people, inept IT practices that result in losing 6000 employees' identity information and the costs of paying for 1 year of an identity guard program, holding a big kick off party and parade, and having the same number of District Administrators as the old Jordan District, then maybe they would have the 1.8 million they need and maybe even some of the 2 million they want.

  • Ironic
    July 23, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    30 million down the drain form east side egos!

  • LOL
    July 23, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    Should have known my original post with KSL would not have been posted because i posted a factual post.....

    Anyway.....glad the tax is increased. People should realize the Canyons should be called the Grand Canyon since the new district will be exactly this for many years....a big gaping money pit to run.

    Regardless of the fact this tax increase may be to pay for the schools on the west you cannot ignore the fact that the GC District infrastructure is part of the money pit which will need investment.

    Besides if business such as the GC is ran by politicians and lawyers.....nothing ever turns out good with this combination.

  • Lets Vote!
    July 23, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    List the politicians that voted for ALL other school districts to pay for all the NEW West Side schools to be built so we can vote them out of office! If you want to live in a fast growing area, you can pay for your fast growing NEW Schools! You don't see the East side getting any new schools or even needed updating with our money, and plenty of schools could use it!

  • kiwi
    July 23, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    Man, how I yearn for the days when my current taxes were enough to cover growth on the southwest end of the valley. Compared to my neighbors in Jordan School District, I only have to come up with another $50 - not $300, so I guess I should be happy. Fellow east-siders, just wait 'til the bond comes up for construction and renovations to schools on our side of the valley. You are aware that we assumed sixty percent of the bonded indebtedness from the old school district (a number in the strong 9 figure category) and still don't have a dime to retrofit or renovate our own schools? Fifty dollars is the tip of the iceberg. Whatever happened to the halcyon days of "we can do better by our children without raising taxes?"

  • Interesting....
    July 23, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Another interesting piece of information. Everyone should check the enrollment of the Canyons and see where people are coming from.

    Most new enrollments are people who had their children in private or charter schools.
    Uh oh...there goes the smaller class sizes and oh by the way there are more students than thought.

    Though i am not pleased they will raise my taxes on the west side i know i will get my money's worth with all of my wonderful brand new schools :)

  • Itimization
    July 23, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    I for one would like to see where the $4 million is really going. Why not start by cutting administrative salaries? Better yet, why not have the school board forfeit its $12,000/year salaries and the free insurance the district pays for. I'd feel better about a tax increase if I knew the Canyons was actually CUTTING somewhere. I worry this is a preview of more tax increases to come.

  • LOL
    July 23, 2009 12:36 p.m.

    The most amusing thing about this story is the "grand canyon" of ignorance by bloggers who understand next to nothing about certified tax rates, truth in taxation requirements, or running a school district. Those who rely solely on the media for their education don't get much.

  • kiwi
    July 23, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    Maybe they could make some of the cuts initiated in Jordan, like reducing professional development days, to come up with the 4 million. In Jordan, they had to raise taxes AND make serious cuts. The Canyons seems content to increase taxes so they can avoid any cutting at all in these tight times.

  • Not any truth
    July 23, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    In response to LOL. You are correct about the media. But evidently the people running the circus school district are not being honest either.

    So, where is anyone to find the truth? Again, not going to happen with Lawyers and Politicians running a school district.

  • To LOL
    July 23, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    Canyons School District apparently is happy to pay at least two people in excess of $185,000 a year to manage the media. Perhaps those two employees should work on bridging the "grand canyon" of ignorance that you describe.

  • gordon
    July 23, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    Most of us working in the Jordan School District have known all along since the talk of a split, that Canyons District would have to raise taxes. Canyons District since deciding to split have told people on the East Side that there would be no raising of taxes. Cottonwood Heights mayor as well as others weren't telling the full truth. Also, as far as a large School District such as Jordan was, the students were getting a well rounded education. Where someone came up with the idea that because Jordan was so large, the students weren't getting their education. Jordan School District is one of the best educated districts in this country.
    All the millions of dollars that has been spent to produce this split, none has gone to the students. Greed,power and pride is in the minds of our so call Civic Leaders.

  • Independence
    July 23, 2009 3:52 p.m.

    Enough already -- how much longer until the names Canyons and Jordan are not in the same sentence. The Canyons still has a ton of work to do between now and next month. Get on with it. My kids are depending on it.

  • Independence 2
    July 23, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    Mine too!

  • Harv12
    July 23, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    I'm an east side resident who voted against the district split for this very reason. Mayor Cullimore and Mayor Dolan and the good Senator Walker, who spoken like the 10 watt bulbs in the arcade they are, told us there wouldn't be tax increases. Now everyone will have to pay more taxes not just east side folks. See why you can't trust politicians?

  • Anonymous
    July 23, 2009 5:02 p.m.

    I think The Canyons District is doing a great job! I am enjoying seeing them do away with the year-round schools and the ridiculously splintered boundaries that have existed for a long, long time (which the Jordan School District never cleaned up). Thank goodness for the split to clean up that mess!! The South end of the Canyons District clearly needs another school or two as well due to Draper filling out over the last decade and one of the two districts would have had to eventually pay for it. I am more than happy to chip in some money for another school or two and to not have year round school.

  • You asked for it
    July 23, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    You asked for it now you get it!

    More taxes to pay for more administrators more taxes to pay for understated costs...

    and oh by the way, your teachers are going to be leaving the new district when you start cutting their benefits.

  • NEA's Fault
    July 23, 2009 6:03 p.m.

    I can't believe it--A complete article about controversy in education and almost 40 comments and not a single mention of the evil NEA/UEA? Wake up people!!! This MUST have something to do with them. Everything wrong with education does.

    BTW: What does PCE (the current self-appointed educational expert organization) think about this mess? I'm sure if we had voted for vouchers or funded more Charters this wouldn't be happening.

  • RE: Anonymous
    July 23, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    Clean up what boundaries? They haven't done anything with "splintered" boundaries yet. Be careful what you ask for. I anticipate it will be an even bigger mess than this tax increase they DON'T NEED!

  • Another new spin
    July 23, 2009 6:23 p.m.

    Blaming Jordan once again? The Canyons approved their budget over a month ago and had plenty of money then. Why now, 2 weeks before their hearing do they cry poverty? The Canyons is one of the few districts that said they had a surplus. Why not use that? Why not cut people? Why not cut the school board salaries? Why not cut salaries of the top-level people?

  • POLYANNA
    July 23, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    Clearly the citizens who voted for the creation of this new school district were DELUSIONAL when they swallowed the "bilge" of NO TAXES!

    Now they are TRAPPED into forking over more money to feed a system which has proven to NEVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

    This SHAKEDOWN is just the first of many.

    ENJOY!

  • DaviD O
    July 23, 2009 7:25 p.m.

    BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  • Sterling
    July 23, 2009 8:00 p.m.

    I've lived in S.L. county for over 60 yrs. and this issue is so reminiscent of the way, over the years, that the individual cities have broken away from S.L. county government to form their own governments.

    The voters always get promised all kinds of things including lower taxes by the vested interests pushing the issue, then as soon as the "new" city becomes a reality the "kingdom building" begins and that means, inevitably, HIGHER taxes to fund their "kingdoms".

    Its called "economies of scale", - anytime you have more government (even schools) it will cost you more!

    If you think your taxes are high now, wait for the "kingdom building" to begin, especially in the "new" Canyons District!

  • Republicansarenoebetter
    July 23, 2009 8:30 p.m.

    I love the Utah legislature. Suburbia and exurbia pride!

  • southinkuknow
    July 24, 2009 1:04 a.m.

    1.) What's wrong with a new district? We have Jordan, Murray, Salt Lake, Granite, Alpine...
    2) Change is never easy; especially if you didn't want it... get use to it; give it time
    3)Canyons, in my opinion, is trying too hard at the very beginning to be the topnotch #1 district... slow down; it takes time to develop and grow. (It has been said that new businesses need at least five years to start showing profit)
    4)hiring way too many people and using too much money at the beginning; slow down; give some of the first people you hired more responsibility and give them help as they need it... leaders or "experts" can do more than just carry a name... you're a pioneer of sorts, so, let people work and get their hands dirty and earn their money; give increases to those who really work hard making the Canyons successful (less talk;more action)
    5)do as new principals to a school do; sit back and observe first, then see where your money would be best spent
    6)listen to those who know best; your patrons and teachers
    7)avoid overload

  • Tip of the iceberg?
    July 24, 2009 2:02 a.m.

    This sounds like it is going to get worse before it gets better for the tax payers in the new district.

    They screwed us again - when will we learn?

  • Anonymous
    July 24, 2009 11:55 p.m.

    Why am I not surprised.

  • Former Jordan Teacher
    July 25, 2009 3:47 a.m.

    This tax increase would not be necessary if it were not for the WHINING of Jordan School District Administrators--who by the way are asking for a phenomenal 30-40% increase of their taxpayers, and accepting the millions from all Salt Lake County districts. Trim the leaches out of the top of Jordan School District. I can recall many times when State Funds earmarked for classrooms never made it down to the teachers in Jordan District, and a few times recently when they actually did. Jordan district will bleed taxpayers for a long time to come.

  • Zadruga Guy
    July 25, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    If Canyons District does end year-round school classes, then it will be the children that suffer. Year-round classes results in better education of kids for two reasons: 1) because fewer school buildings and class rooms are needed, that allows the teachers to get paid more, which results in better teachers being hired. 2) Kids have shorter breaks so less time to forget what they have learned -- thus less time reteaching already taught concerpts -- thus providing more time to teach new concepts.

  • Response to Zadruga Guy
    July 25, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    I agree with you about year round, except for 1 detail. We teachers do not get paid more for year round. Contract pay is the same. However, in switching to traditional, the pay check starts in September, as opposed to the year round start check of August, so teachers go without a month of pay. Pretty stupid to not be able to adjust that when you retire instead of the middle of a year, huh?! Year round students do have less forgetting time. We spend less time reviewing at the beginning of the year.

  • JO JO
    July 26, 2009 6:07 p.m.

    Explain to me again how their PR person is earning 100K per year without a degree in education?

    Just another example of how teachers keep on taking it!!!

  • skc
    July 27, 2009 7:06 p.m.

    Holy cow ... my property value is down $20K yet my taxes are up more than $500, all of it attributable to the new Canyons District?

    Why did I vote for this district? I'm not sure ... I don't even have kids in the schools.

    Please help me understand. If this was only to hire a school administration on the east side, what a misuse of taxpayer money and detriment to efficiency.

  • to skc
    July 27, 2009 10:59 p.m.

    That $500 was money you were paying to Jordan District last year since Canyons District wasn't in existence then. You should be very glad you voted for the new district and are no longer a part of Jordan District since - 'holy cow' - it is hiking property taxes this year by 40 PERCENT!