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Utah Jazz: Round and round Boozer goes, where he ends up nobody knows

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  • L.A. Jazz Fan
    July 15, 2009 12:51 a.m.

    Kind of interesting I suppose to see what different people have heard. But it is all fluff until it really happens. I have a feeling the Jazz will match Millsap's offer and then trade Boozer. I don't see how you bring that guy back at all after his comments to the radio hosts in Chicago. I read the transcript at the Salt Lake Tribune and he pretty much started talking as if he were a Bull and were put in charge of recruiting Dwyane Wade.

    Go Jazz!!!

  • Udonis Haslem for Boozer? Not
    July 15, 2009 1:01 a.m.

    Udonis Haslem is only 6'8" and its doubtful he could be anything but a backup power forward. Beasley is a possibility but he's already had off the court issues so there are red flags that way. I like Carlos Boozer going to Miami where his kids are and think he'll be happier there. I would like to see him stay here for one more year. I really don't think Boozer wants to go to Chicago, Detroit, or New York but he's willing.

  • Make Blockbuster Trade
    July 15, 2009 6:42 a.m.

    I've been speculating trade ideas for weeks now, but I think I found the winner.

    Bulls get Boozer
    Rockets get AK and Brad Miller
    Jazz get TMac, Landry and Chicago's lottery protected 1st

    The Rockets supposedly have an offer on the table of TMac for AK. Why we don't do that, I don't know. And you know the Rockets want a one year center to replace Yao while he's hurt. This proposed trade frees up over $3 million for this year, and almost $15 million for next year because we dump overpaid AK. Instead of being in the luxury two years in a row, it's just one. Plus, Landry is like a young Haslem and makes only $3 a year. He'd be a great backup to Millsap.

  • If we get the Rockets involved
    July 15, 2009 7:28 a.m.

    The Jazz don't want T-Mac because he might not play at all next season. If we're going to make a trade with the Rockets, let's just send them Boozer and get Battier and Scola. The salaries are close enough, it gets the Jazz a little payroll relief, and then we have a hard-working power forward in Scola (Millsap can back him up or the other way around) and the defensive stopper in Battier we've needed for a long time (plus, he can hit the 3). Of course, I have no idea why the Rockets would make this trade...

  • Miles
    July 15, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    We are better off just keeping Boozer for one more year. We are not going to get a better player back for him. And anyone we get back will cost us just as much as Boozer and for more years. It's better to let him play hard for a new contract and keep him for the year and let him walk at the end. When Boozer wants to play, he can be pretty good.

  • Re:Scola and Battier
    July 15, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    The Rockets will not be foolish enough to send Scola and Battier to Utah for Boozer.

    Besides, assuming Scola and Battier are in Utah, they will most likely soon end up becoming tenants of Sloan's doghouse.
    Sloan is a master DEMOTIVATOR among NBA coaches.

  • bostonjazzfan
    July 15, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    Gortat for Boozer?

    Orlando just inked him and they could use some low-post offense and have all the big d-fense they need. It might put them over the top for a championship and it might give Boozer proximity to Miami.

  • Rockets trade
    July 15, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Rockets are in great need of a scoring threat without Artest, Yao & McGrady next year, so it is believed they would have great interest in Boozer for that reason. Unknown is how much they covet Scola (who always seems to dominate against the Jazz) and Battier who everyone loves for his defense and 3 pointers. If they would do this trade, the Jazz should jump in NOW!

  • TheHailstorm
    July 15, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    It seems to me that nobody wants him or the trades would have been made. What if we get stuck with him here nad another injury riddled season of poor attitude develops.
    I just thin we're stuck with him.

  • re: Scola and Battier
    July 15, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    Both of these players are exactly the type that Sloan likes--hard working defenders and no nonsense.

    Your comments just demonstrate your blind stupidity towards Sloan.

    The reason the Rockets WOULD make this trade is they have absolutely NO SCORING on their team right now.

    What is their plan to score with no McGrady and no Yao?

    Let me guess, throw it into the "3-point post" and let Ariza light it up? Be serious. He is nothing but an opportunist who totally relies on a low post presence for all his wide open looks.

    The Rockets do not have any player left that even resembles a serious scoring threat--Bozo is a perfect solution 1 year deal for them.

  • Best trade?
    July 15, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Boozer for Hinrich!

  • Hey, Miles
    July 15, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    The reason we don't just keep Boozer for the year is that he walks next year and we get nothing. I'd like to see Odom come here, give the Lakers Boozer and AK or CJ.

  • todd on re"scola and battier"
    July 15, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    "sloanaholic"

  • fossil
    July 15, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    bad news new york likes morris almond as he scored 17 points last night, i was so thrilled when we drafted him a couple of years back but the jazz brass didn't like him maybe big mistake as would be funny if he helped them win a lot of games and we would not get a good pick with new yorks draft pick. sloan is a loser.

  • Skippy
    July 15, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    There's no sense in trading Boozer unless we get something decent in return. He is in a contract year, which should extrapolate to a great season. Then, he'll come off the books in 2010 and he'll be in a saturated free-agent market.

  • CJ3
    July 15, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    Boozer wants to be a Bull, and could be the primary advocate for luring 2-guard Dwyane Wade, eh?

    Sounds like a perfect opportunity to nab John Salmons in a deal, from Chicago.

  • No rockets trade
    July 15, 2009 11:27 a.m.

    "Bulls get Boozer
    Rockets get AK and Brad Miller
    Jazz get TMac, Landry and Chicago's lottery protected 1st"

    Doesn't work for salary reasons. Each team, if over the cap (which all 3 are in your scenario) have to take in a similar amount of salary as they send out in a trade. Houston getting AK & Brad Miller (combined $28 million next year) is far above Chicago taking Boozer's $12.7 mil deal. Try using ESPN's trade machine next time.

  • Miles
    July 15, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    @Hey Miles.....If we don't trade Boozer we do get something in return. We get 12.5 million off the books for next year to sign a free agent. That's a lot of money to convince a great player to come play in Utah. Boozer is worth more to us a Jazz player than to trade him. Plus with Korver and Harpring's money off the books, we would have over 20 million to play with for free agents. I say keep Boozer.

  • Henry Drummond
    July 15, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    I bet he gets traded for a first round non-lottery protected draft pick and cash.

  • Justin
    July 15, 2009 12:46 p.m.

    Here's my thoughts. Trading with NewYork is a bad move because, despite how much he's been a pain for Utah, he still can score & would help them win some games. We have their pick this year & don't want them to win any more games. Lee is a nice, athletic, rebounder. However, the Jazz need someone who can hit a J in the pick'n'roll at the PF spot. Lee isn't too strong there. Same goes with any deal they make unless they re-sign Millsap. The PF has to have a mid-range shot. The guy who I'm interested in is Okafor. Shot blocker, decent post game & an OK jump shot. If there was any way to grab him AND sign Millsap, I think that would be the way to go. I believe we should either use Boozer to get a starter or trade for a guy who will be gone next year for cap space. No sense getting someone like Scola who would just use cap space and not be a high quality starter.

  • Justin
    July 15, 2009 12:52 p.m.

    Also, as far as I know we won't have Boozers full 12 million to spend on free agents if we just keep him & play it out. You can re-sign your own players over the cap, but to bring in an outside free agent, you have to be under the cap. The Jazz will still have a high payroll after Booz comes off the books, they won't be 12 million under. Right? Trading makes more sense. There will be more "attractive" places for FA's to play next year that will have just as much, if not more, money than the Jazz. Best idea is, Utah needs to get a starter who is under contract in a trade for Boozer. .... or at least that's my opinion.

  • todd "left behind again"
    July 15, 2009 2:17 p.m.

    Iverson who I have never been a great fan is talking with the CLippers, Miami and Memphis. I agree with the post yesterday, problem or not, why not have come here? costs 5/.7 mid level exception. He and DWIL would be mahvelous....Of course YET AGAINN THE ISSUE IS SLOAN AND HIS SLOANAHOLICS ALLOWING THIS....gives you better health than Mcgrady solid 20 ppg, allows Brewer to move to #3 now you have strengthened 2 spots, move Boyzer, sign Millsap now we have a team


    BUT O CONNOR DOES NOT THINK OF IT

    STUNNING

  • Bobby
    July 15, 2009 2:31 p.m.

    @Miles: Even if Boozer and Harpring salaries are gone in 2010, the rest of the contracts may still add up to the the cap (especially if they match on Millsap). That means that if Boozer and Harpring leave, the Jazz would get NOTHING (0) in return. Because they'd still be over the cap.

    What they're trying to do is what they need to do:
    1) match Millsap -- the yearly average is right where they valued him; they just have to pay more $$ up front.
    2) trade Boozer this year (either this summer or during the season before the trading deadline) while his expiring contract is valuable. If his $12mil are off the books by the end of the season they don't count against the luxury tax. Best bet is to be in a trade with a team that can provide a trade exception (Portland, OKC, Miami) so they can get a $4mil guy back and cut $8 mil off the luxury tax level.

  • Bobby
    July 15, 2009 2:32 p.m.


    3) trade AK _next_ year when his expiring contract is valuable. #2 and #3 together would account for $30mil saved (minus whatever they take back in those trades -- maybe $10mil).
    4) trade Harpring this year to someone wanting an expiring contract. Harp probably won't play this year anyway. The Jazz could take back a salary up to 25% lower in trade. Could be the difference between being above or below the cap.

    Saying it this way sounds easy, but you have to find trading partners as well.

  • todd from santa ana
    July 15, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    I say call "Nellie" Every 5 minutes, because he is someone with his ego that might take Boozie or AK or CJ or other salaries off our hands, Nellie aka the buffoon, maybe the highest ego in the league may want to slightly get away from the losing experiment of "small ball" What is Stephen JAcksons salary? is it way under AK?

  • re: henry drummond
    July 15, 2009 2:41 p.m.

    betting like that you would lose alot of money in Vegas.

    The Jazz organization have always said "money does not help win anything". They don't want cash in deals--they want talented players.

    I agree with others here--keep Bozo if you can't get something good that will help the team. A mediocre talent that plugs the roster is not something we want.

    12.5 million off the books next season is. That is a huge amount of money--especially since the cap will be dropping again next year. As the trade deadline looms and the fact that the cap is dropping gets more imminent more teams will want Boozers expiring contract which will allow us to get value in return.

    Have boozer shine the wheels on the bus or carry Millsaps jock strap or something. Very appropriate I think.

    The other advantage is that Boozer will not get as much next season in his deal if he has to play it out here this season without his extension--because the cap is dropping and there is less to spend with the CBA negotiations not far off.

    I say give Boozer a little different kind of "payback".

  • re: todd
    July 15, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    Iverson

    great idea--simply mahvelous.

    Exhibit A

    Denver

    He really helped them out alot...oh wait, he only helped them out when THEY GOT HIM OFF THE TEAM VIA TRADE!!

    Never mind.

  • The Jazz need
    July 15, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    Younger cheaper players who have a lot of talent and up side who are ready to step into a starting role. There will be a lot of teams dumping some very good players because they are forced to this year and next.

    The last thing the Jazz need are aging, over the hill, over paid vets (the kind Sloan loves). Vets are okay if they can still play and are cheap.

    The Jazz do not need big names. Their home attendence is very good. The Jazz need winners and they need wise management of both players and the cap.

    The Jazz need to solve the problems of poor defense, poor road games and bad back to backs this year and next. That means looking at every player and what they contribute to creating and solving the problems.

    The Jazz then need to replace the dead wood and get players who will play defense and on the road without losing offensive efficiency.

    This is not just a player problem. There needs to be changes in the coaches and in the way the Jazz do business.

  • Miles
    July 15, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    @Bobby......Who says we have to sign Millsap? He is not a game changer. We can let him walk this year, keep Boozer for the year with AK as his backup. Then next year with the money we have saved, we will be over 25 million under luxury tax. Great place to be with the talent that will be available. But if we trade Boozer we will take back contracts equal to his value and if we resign Millsap we will have that to deal with for the next 4 years. Let Millsap go....Keep Boozer.

  • todd to 244
    July 15, 2009 4:04 p.m.

    I am desperate to get better, that is not worse idea than getting an injured Mcgrady. In a perfect world would i want Iverson? NOOOOO


    LAMAR ODOM....NOW HAVING WATCH THIS GUY ALMOST EVERY NIGHT WOW THAT WOULD BE A GREAT GREAT ACQUISITION. I WOULD LOVE THAT ONE AND HE IS 6'10

  • re: the jazz need
    July 15, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    "...aging, over the hill, overpaid vets (the kind sloan loves)".

    Yes our roster is full of them...oh wait..not its not..we have Harpring as the only possible person who could fit that description.

    Also, if what you say is true then Sloan would have likely re-signed Collins for this season but he didn't.

    We have a bunch of young guys on this team. Some would say in fact too many young players without any veteran leadership. That is why we can't/don't win on the road or win back to backs as someone else already discussed.

    Sloan haters never let the FACTS or TRUTH get in the way of them trying to make their completely FALSE anecdotal points though.

    You Sloan haters look dumber and more incompetent every time you post this drivel.

  • todd to 416 post
    July 15, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    actually your post does the opposite it makes the Sloan haters look better by the day

    let me guess "sloanaholic"?

  • Not the Knicks!
    July 15, 2009 8:49 p.m.

    Please don't trade Booz to the Knicks! Not only do we get less than his value back, but we get hit because we absolutely hand over more wins to the Knicks this year, thus getting a worse pick from them next draft.

    Make no mistake, Boozer WILL improve a team as bad as the Knicks! Even WITH his defensive ineptness.

  • I was once like you
    July 15, 2009 9:24 p.m.

    A "Sloan hater."

    When I was 19 and didn't know any better.

  • RE: Justin
    July 15, 2009 10:03 p.m.

    We don't need more players to fit sloans system.

    we need better players and a NEW system,

    you know, a sustem that championship teams use.

    not one that has failed for 22 years to win a championship even with 2 of the greatest ever in the prime positions.


    All sloan's system does is benefit the jazz financially, by winning enough to keep the fans buying tickets and t-shirts.

    millsap and boozer just perpetuate the system.

    It's time for a change.

  • Anonymous
    July 16, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    Boozer is a good fit for d'antoni who doesn't really care about defense.. Doesn't mean the Knicks have someone we'd want on the Jazz. I think our dead last consideration should be finding a fit that makes Carlos happy. His $12.5 million will keep him warm at night.. And watch the NY press nad fans turn on him.. If he thinks the SLC people are harsh..just wait

  • Anonymous
    July 16, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    Too much blood in the water right now... Panicked GM's and Owners are bottom fishing and anxious to dump salaries without taking on new expenses. Best market for Carlos will emerge around All Star Game when a team is looking to fill an injury gap or make a run for high playoff position. Better than bringing a Jonah on board for the season. At least Carlos is the devil we know... He'll likely just get a hangnail on the first week of the season and play intermittently 'til he's traded midwinter.

  • RE: RE: Justin
    July 16, 2009 12:55 p.m.

    I haven't heard a thing about Sloan leaving so I don't see how that is a valid point. Sloan is the coach, & since that isn't changing we need to have players that fit into his system. BTW, I don't understand whinning about winning every year. 2 or 3 bad years in a row for the Jazz could spell disaster & the team leaving town. I want a title as much as anyone, and I don't think the Jazz aren't trying, but they can't afford to have a 5 year re-builing plan. Jazz fans tend to be "bandwagon jumpers" in many cases & would bail if we aren't winning.

    However, if/when Sloan does leave, then we can talk about changing.

  • akarmenia1@yahoo.com
    July 16, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    I'm a bit surprised that it is taking the Jazz this long to come up with a deal. Time is ticking, and if they want Millsap then they only have a few more days until they have to match his offer sheet. Boozer is, in my opinion, a great fit for those teams who are hoping to sign one of those big names in next year's big FA class since his contract is up at the end of the year. Who knows, he might be a great fit and get an extension.

  • Dan S.
    July 17, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    I think its funny the Knicks think by attracting a star player will help bring others aboard. News Flash people it didnt work before. It did but the Knicks stunk up the league. Stefon Marbury, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford ring a bell? Do you actually think Lebron James will sign with the Knicks? He would like to go to a bigger market and I think he would fit best as a Los Angeles Clipper. I am sure he being there will bring out the best in the guys they have there. I would love to see him come to Detroit but thats not going to happen. But Boozer to Detroit I can see that. I think Tayshaun and Rip will stay Maxielle will be the main pawn as well as maybe Washington and 2 second round picks. Thats my prediction. The Jazz knows he is gone after next year so its better to get a pebble and hope it turns into Gold. You never know with Max and Washington. They are young and unproven.