I'll believe there's a Boozer trade when I see it. Nobody with cap space really
wants to take a guy on their roster they may not be able to keep, and other
cap-strapped teams don't want his salary either. Still, I reckon you never say
never ...Peace out from the Jazz Oracle!
Deron obviously isn't even on speaking terms with Carlos, so thats not a good
sign for team chemistry. After all that's happened this past year up
til now I really don't know how Boozer can play in Utah anymore. With the fans
not supporting him his lack of desire would only get worse. Who wants to play
hard for people who want you run out of town?I struggle with all of
this because while Boozer is an amazing offensive and rebounding machine when
he's healthy but he's also very rarely healthy, and doesn't seem to have winning
a championship on his mind near as much as his next payday. Which though true of
many NBA players I honestly believe that there are some out there who think
about winning almost as much as the dollar signs. At the same time I
don't know if Paul has the offensive skill to be the starting power forward for
the Jazz. He needs to work on his shot and get some more post moves. What about Lamar Odom? David Lee? Or even Drew Gooden?
If you're not going to match Millsap, make nice with Booz. If you're moving
Booz, quit acting like you won't match Millsap.If this all works out
that, in the end, the Jazz lose both Boozer AND Millsap, it will have to be the
greatest blunder in Jazz front office history. Forget drafting Curtis
Borchardt. This will take the cake.
As a Jazz fan I always felt like the organization was in control or at least had
somewhat of a handle on the situations in front of them. Right now I don't
feel that way. I am sure that they will handle this in the usual nonchalant way
just waiting to see what happens. And to be honest I'm kind of getting sick of
it. Here's to jumping off the cliff and seeing what happens.
KOC says a frenzy. If I were in a business frenzy I would go golfing
where I would be seen by media and other team members. One of the better ways
to handle a frenzy.Get over it Kevin, somebody finally called you
back and so you say that is a frenzy.You got an offer for a backup
so you are dumping a starter all in the name of money.You are paid
to bring together a winning team, instead you are busy trying to break one
up.We can trade AK, CJ, Brewer, and every other non-shooter on the
team or we could trade the guy who brings us 20/10 cfonsistently. We are
striving for mediocrity when we trade our good players and garner money for the
I reported this hours earlier on these posts.Read O Connor: As usual
talking out sides of his mouth. Course the other teams are waiting for us.
They are not going to help us. Again, O Connor is the cause for much of this.
He is probably the worst GM and Makes Elgin BAylor look "mahvelous"Talking about "why not keep them both"Let us see you just wasted
millions committing early to sign a finesse shooter who last year deliberately
let his man score to new moneyThis situation with the Jazz is
getting sadder and sadder by the dayI predicted all of this would
happenWe need Snagglepuss to come here back with a statement.
We need Cowboy's wisdom and the other true fans on the board who will tell it
like it is and not sugarcoat.
If they wil trade Boozer, Deron Williams will surely look for another team.
Boozer took Jazz to West Finals. What is the negativety about, he is elite and
wants to be healthy. Boozer stays as needed if you understand. Cavs miss him
too. Congratulate Boozer and apologize because, he wants to stay in Utah. But u
are literally booing him. Boo-Ya.
Boozer has been great. But Millsap showed that he can do all that Boozer does
and Paul does it at a much younger age. Millsap will definitly be a better
long-term investment for the Jazz. It would be nice to see the Jazz pick up a
defensive center with some heighth to add to the lineup
Jazz brass vs Carlos Boozer reminds me of LHM vs Karl Malone, The Sequel.There were trade rumors seemingly every offseason.I really
do hope Boozer's back and ready to tear up the paint like he did the couple of
years before the last!Stop with the Odom thing already. There are
exceptions that make it very difficult. And Gooden?!?! Seriously, folks...
Anyone who thinks that Millsap can do what Boozer can do is nuts. I like Paul
and what he does, however, he is NO Boozer. First of all, Paul never demands a
double team even when he gets the ball deep in the post. I can count on one
hand the number of times others teams doubled Millsap all of last season. Also,
you cannot go to him when you need a basket and expect him to do something.
Boozer does all of these things. Boozer always commands a double team, which
makes playing defense against the Jazz much more difficult. So many fans feel
because the stats are getting close between the two that they have the same
effect on the game. Paul has nowhere near the effect Boozer has. I am not sure
Paul is worth the money he was offered and to compare him to a 2 time all-star
in Boozer is just dreaming.
Keep Boozer! He will be in a contract year, since he is all about the $'s, he
has no choice to be healthy and play the best since he has been here. He might
still bolt, but worry about that next year. WIN NOW!
anyone who thiks boozer has been great is being way to nice.he only plays 60
percent of the time and he really is the most one sided player in the league.
his lack of defense is pathetic and last time i looked even without boozer the
jazz were still one of the highest scoring teams, if you cant see interior
defense is what the jazz need your blind! that is why the thomas deal would of
been nice! The sad part is this is probably the one year boozer will play hard
because he wants his big pay day!!
The problem with Boozer is he lacks heart. He is a talented player, but lacks
team committment. Making the announcment he was going to opt out, when the team
was in distress due to injuries was very untimely. Yes, he is a guatenteed
double-double when properly motivated, but his unwillingness to play defense
should be an embarrassment if he was a legitimate "All Star." True, we all must
work to benefit our families, but in Carlos Boozer's case, he is more interested
in "Cha Ching" than a "Ring."
Anyone who thinks that Boozer can do what Millsap can do is nuts. I like Boozer
and whe he does, however, he in NO Millsap. First of all, Boozer never plays
defense even when he stumbles into good position. I can count on one hand how
many possesions Boozer played good defense last season. Also, you cannot count
on Boozer to even be there in the clutch because he is hurt all the time.
Millsap throws himself to loose balls which makes it much more difficult for
other teams big guys to compete for loose balls with him on the court. So many
fans feel that because Boozer has better offensive stats that means he is more
valuable. Boozer has nowhere near the effect Millsap has on the entire game. I
am sure Boozer isn't worth the money he is paid and to compare him to a
all-around young player in Millsap with a better contract is just ridiculous.
Having great talent and potential does not make you a great player. I think the
difficulty in trading Carlos is more directly related to how the league GM's
view the player in question than to whether they care much about helping or
hurting the Jazz. If Pritchard is clever enough to put the Jazz into this
scenario ( and I doubt he is ) how does it possibly benefit Portland? With
Milsap they remain a Pacific Division also ran.. They should be figuring out how
to get Carlos... which shouldn't be that hard right now.
Marc Stein has it correct when asked the question, "why would the Jazz be trying
to trade a 20/10 All-Star". Part of his answer was to say that it appeared the
"Jazz fans had turned against him". It serves no purpose to continue
bagging on Carlos. You're gonna get your wish people. BOOZER IS OUTTA HERE!
You've helped make it happen! Now find somebody else to assasinate!
MacNamara... Boozer left the Jazz and fans LONG before they "turned on him". He
permanently checked out emotionally and physically in his first Jazz season. The
fans turned on Ostertag not because he couldn't play, but because most nights he
just didn't play. Similarly, Carlos has seemed to not care about being on the
floor, not care about defense, not care about winning, not care about getting
better,and not care about team-mates or the franchise. His Olympic experiences
seems to mirror those attitudes.The whole Carlos era has all been
about Carlos. The fans have reacted to him, not turned on him.
3 guys in contract years,plus Millsap,all healty..I`d take my chances with the
team we have...minus miles of course GO JAZZ...GO SLOAN..GO SLC
ed in az... I'll say it again. BOOZER IS OUTTA HERE!You've done your job! You've
helped make it happen! Feel good about yourself but you're a broken record!
Whats to be gained by regurgitating it. Find some new fodder!.... You'll find a
new whipping boy. Guys like you have a NEED for it!
The bottom line everyone is this... The problems start from the top.. Sloan is a
good 45-55 wins per season coach, but it takes 60+ to really show you are ready
for a finals. Look what Adelman did to Houston this last year without t-mac.
next, stats only show a portion of a players abilities, which if you see what
Milsap has been able to do, he fills the shoes of Boozer easy, and also is a
teammate you want with his workhorse approach vs Boozer's half effort. Look at
Boozer in the Olympics... every time he was on the court it hurt the team and
showed how much better talent there is in players like Bosh and Wade... We need
D-Will to go to work in recruiting Wade and Bosh, move Boozer the cancer, trade
AK for Tmac to clear having to pay AK 17 mill next year, then we have options,
resign TMAC on an affordable contract if he does well, or take that 23 million
plus Hapring's 6.5 mill, and go after Bosh and Wade!!! Deron, Bosh and Wade
gets us a ring for sure!!!
MacNamara... The only sports figure I can say I ever truly despised was Kobe
Bryant.. Not a nice person.Everybody, especially me, wanted Boozer
to be who he could be. I rooted for him until the end of last season, and felt
awful for him on the bench at the Olympics. It is, well, absurd, to assume, as
you do, that Carlos cares a whit whether the fans want him here or not. If that
were his guiding principle he would have opted out rather than taking the $12.5
mill where he, as you claim, "wasn't wanted".. Carlos is all about Carlos and
what he can get out of this thing. That's perfectly OK and, well, normal for
NBA players.He has not ever, even one time taken a credible action
that indicates he wants to be a Jazz player. I think it is more fair to say
that the fans and management are giving up on Carlos rather than turning on him.
You want to go... so go!
isn't it strange no on offers odem a contract like gee we better not make the
lakers mad we will just let them win all the championships, we all want to go
where the movie stars live just think one day there will only be a few teams as
all will want play for the lakers and ny boston and there will be no more teams
as the players only want to play just for the big three.
get real,WADE IS NOT....WILL NOT....WON~T.... play in Utah,don`t you
understand??? guys want to play where the action
is...LA,Boston,NY,Chicago,Miami,even Denver....NOT SLC,why is it so hard for
some of you to understand???????
Boozer in a contract year is likely to be very productive. With an expiring
contract, he could also be valuable trade bait. Or you could just let him play
out the season and take the cap space. The following year you have AK's huge
expiring contract.The Jazz need a vision for how to build a team
around Deron Williams. With these large expiring contracts and good draft
picks, there will be opportunity. It seems to me that they really need two
things to complement Okur and Koufos, who are very good finesse centers: (1) low
post scoring; and (2) low post defense/rebounding. While Millsap would be a
great 6th man, he clearly isn't a strong post-up player on offense, nor can he
defend top-flight power forwards/centers.Look at Orlando, they had a
clear vision of how to build a team around Howard. EVERY player they have
drafted or acquired can shoot from outside. Four out, one in offense. EVERY
player can run the court, so they can take advantage of Howard's mobility
relative to other bigs. Now the question is, how do you build a championship
team around Williams?
i guess acording to that we should just sell the jazz and say gee no one wants
to play here. like the big bullys just give in like a coward.
Hope U R right about Carlos. Long term, Jazz need to get a second franchise
player.. Don't think Boozer has the length, speed, or lateral mobility to carry
a team like the other stars you mention. More of a very high level role player
when properly motivated.
Ladies and Gentlemen: Shock. Houdini wants to keep the same Jazz Roster (go
SLoan, Go Salt Lake)aye aye aye ayeGood Mr. San DIego.
Do it!!!! Let us keep the same team. One problem ah where is the defense?Funny, how few here look at offense only. Sorry it is about interior
defense and rotation and help defense., of course you will not see that with
these coaches or players.Keep the same team go for it..
Boozer is getting what he wants?.....If he wanted out he would have opted out.
The PO is just that. It's an out that the Jazz FO included in his contract at
signing. How can anyone fault him for using it? It was Greg Miller who called
him into a meeting a week ago for the purpose of telling him he wasn't in the
long term Jazz plans. And they weren't going to offer him a long term deal past
this season. What would you do? Boozer is quoted as saying, "if thats the
direction you've decided to take, I'd appreciate it if you'd move me".Boozer made his decision. The ecconomy is bad, the market is bad, the grass
was not greener, and Carlos "OPTED IN" for reasons of his own. He has a perfect
right to do so. I stand by what I said. You "Jazz Fans" have
vilified him for so long it's become the "IN" thing to do. It has helped run him
out of here. You've done your job. It's time to let up on him. There's no
You can't Quote what Coarlos Boozer said, because it was in a private meeting
that you were not invited to. Niether Boozer nor the Jazz management have ever
confirmed what was said in that meeting.
Carlos had a perfect right to opt in.. No question. IMHO his reasons for opting
in were 100% financial, and not related at all to fans wanting him or not
wanting him. Agreed, he had a perfect right to opt in for whatever reason
pleased him.I'd certainly be happier if I thought that also meant he
intended to play anywhere near his talent level. After being paid around $50
millions for a few half seasons of lackluster play and very lengthy injuries,
you might expect him to feel some moral obligation to be a professional. Jazz
management has never made any public statements about Carlos except about how
good a player he is.O'Connor has been his #1 public defender.I
sincerely hope he stays for the year and makes us all sorry he's leaving. Not
predicting that, but hoping. I want to be wrong.I reject, only,
that the fans were a significant factor in his decision to ask to be moved, or
mgt. telling him he was a lost cause. Fans have been totally invisible to Mr
Boozer. Mr Stein is obviously trying to move blame off Boozer onto the fans.
get odom!!!!!! or get jermaine oneal and 1st rounder for boozer and harpring. he
would give us solid d, athletic, strong, good post player, and would have ton of
cap with his 23 mil contract coming up at end of this year then get mcgrady for
kirilenko and korver nad we have a stacked team
If portland gets Kirk they win the division easy easy. but please i pray
to god the bulls dont get Carlos Loozer im a bulls fan he is worthless!
You are correct. Millsap can't do what LOOZER can do. Millsap could never get
out of the way when little guards drive the lane, because Millsap is a MAN not
just a soft scorer. IDIOT!BOOZER A LOOZER and will always be a
LOOZER. You need higher goals than just playing offence and coasting on defense
to be a winner. Last I checked you need team players to be LA, SA, DEN, POR. Jazz are lottery bound.
Not now anyway, but in Jan or Feb they will line up because it shortens the pay
to him left and he is an expiring contract. I would start the season out and see
what his committment is and if he pulls any of his past attitudes or lack of
desire he would be sent to the bench, lockeroom, or out of town until he is
traded, just like the Marbury in NY and Tinsley in Indiana scenario. Just eat 7
or 8 mil now if he is untradeable, and let him show us what he wants to do at
the first part of the season!
We can dog LOOZER all we want. There are still 10 people out there that think he
is good. Only people who have never played team basketball or work at 1320 think
LOOZER is good. 90% of NBA players can score 20 if they are selfish and get
plays called for them. The Jazz would be a better team with a 12 -10
guy who plays defense and isn't selfish.
The "agent" in "Portland, one NBA agent said Saturday, no longer is interested
in facilitating a Boozer trade – and, for all practical purposes, can't
because its team payroll salary cap space currently is tied up while Utah
decides whether to match on Millsap" should be fired.Portland,
Millsap, and Utah can agree to renounce the offer and have Utah pay Millsap an
agreed upon sum. Portland, in a 3-team trade could benefit itself. This may be
tricky, but the agent is simply lacking the basic knowledge possessed by the
30 WINS AND O'CONNER FIREDYOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST. The
Jazz are like a dam with cracks, it's just a matter of time.
We dog Boozer all day, But what about Brewer? Brewer gives 100% and that is nice
to see. However, if the SHOOTING guard can't shoot from outside it hurtS the
team's inside game. We need a real SHOOTING GUARD. When you have AK
and BREW on the court at the same time the defense only needs to play the key.
30 Wins By JJThank God for Houston!
Portland may get Millsap but we will sign Aldridge next season whom is a better
"Portland may get Millsap but we will sign Aldridge next season whom is a better
player." And we'll get a straight up trade Wade for Collins! Trust me!
glad that most of you(toad doesn`t count,he`s an unknowledgeable
outsider)agree,keep the same team,we`ll do well this year,GO JAZZ
Miles: How do you sign an restricted free agent when we all know Mr. Allen would
match ANY offer that he would receive. Besides, both Roy and Aldridge will
begetting their max contract extensions as soon as all this business is done!
your not very smart are you? lol LMA is staying in portland
That`s right,toad,I support my Jazz,My COACH,and my city,got a problem wit dat??
what you gonna do?I`m a real Jazz fan,not a wanna be,and support them win or
Just pay the tax. Keep Millsap AND Boozer. Next year Boozer will walk (unless
he totally rocks this year, and Millsap happens to not, and we beg Boozer to
stay with a big contract). This would give Millsap one more year to pick up some
offensive skills. The following year AK's big contract will be gone too. Can't
the organization just hang in there for a year or two? You guys are
just too bitter towards what Boozer said in December and took it too personally.
hey todd,you really seemed bothered by the fact that most of us support our
team,including the coach,I don`t think you are really a Jazz fan,but instead a
laker fan and mostly a kome fan
I for one have enjoyed watching the Jazz this past year when they have been
heathy! Lets just get behind whatever team they put together and roll...(Keep
em' all, keep em' healthy, go to the finals""")
MOST one demensional players are bench players or role players,That
is where Boozer belongs,Heck, even boozer's college coach wouldn't
play him more than 30 seconds a game in the olymics,What does that
tell you?And HOw inflated are boozers numbers, both offensove and
rebounding, in sloans system?Bozzer is NOT a star, NOT a leader,
does NOT play defensive (the primary job for your BIG man) and should NOT be
paid like one,boozer must go for the JAzz to get better, and to have
any opportunity to win a championship.And slaon must go to, his caveman system and caveman coaching, and control over ALL personel
decisions, and his poor decision making in deciding who plays and how much, just doesn't win champioships.
Ummmmm how does Roy and Allridge both get max contracts and they manage to have
5 players left on the team? Portland may have money but not that kind of money.
Oden is going to have to be resigned and so are all their other youngsters.
Allridge is not getting Max money from Portland or any other team. Roy will get
it but not LMA. Dream on........
the Jazz should make decisions quickly, we cannot afford to lose Millsap, trade
Boozer now, time is against us right now, if you do those analyzing stuff in
these scenerio then Millsap will slip into our hands, act right now, trade
Kincks are the most likely suitor since they would be willing to take on $12.7M
salary for one year and would be willing to work a sign and trade with David Lee
and Nate Robinson as compensation since Boozer is a legit 20pts/10 reb guy.The Jazz could then match Milsap and move Lee/Nate in another trade.
Do you honestly believe that any team in the NBA is interested in Boozer at 12
Mil/yr? Of course not, otherwise Booz would not have opted
in.....He would have taken one penny more than what his opt in option would have
paid him.....if anyone was interested.....But Boozes agent couldn't
get anyone in the NBA to even pay one penny for this injury prone wont play
unless he is 100% no defense Loser!
If the Jazz trade Boozer to another team, wouldn't the Jazz have to take back
within 10% of Boozer contract? The only way Jazz can match Milisap offer is to
trade with a team that will send back cap space, that have to match Boozer
contract within 10% or just take the hit with luxury tax. Not many team are
under the cap this off season. Thunder would be the only team left to help the
Jazz, but are not willing to help...I can see William going in the next 2-3
years too. Sad, really sad...
Williams won't leave because he has an option just like Okur, Korver, and Boozer
did. With salary cap going down and teams saving for the 2010 season Deron will
opted in because he won't be able to get 17 million from anybody else. AK will
be off the books by then and the Jazz can work out an extension.
The Jazz can trade back Boozer to another Team that is under the cap and only
take part of the salary. For example the Jazz can trade Boozer to
Memphis for a 2nd round draft pick. Just dump his salary. The
Jazz's goal is to get something of value if not it is just a salary dump
Take a tranquilizer dude!!
The Jazz are capable of playing great defense. There was that 11-game winning
streak where their defense was awesome, and that included a vistory over a
healthy Lakers team against the short-handed Jazz. I broke it down on Oracle at
the time. The problem is getting the players to play like that all the time. But
the thing to remember is that most of these guys are still young by league
standards. Okur and Boozer are just reaching the prime years of their careers,
and we probably haven't seen their best basketball yet. Some patience will be
required on the part of we the fans, who have been spoiled by years of Karl
Malone and John Stockton. We've seen what these guys can do when they're
healthy, I'd like to see that happen again.Peace out from the Jazz
How about letting Millsap sign with Portland and then trading Boozer to them for
Millsap and a third string center or shooting guard. They get their PF, we get
Millsap, they pay his bonus and we come in under the cap?
We need "The Rock" or the Heart Break Kid to be our GM instead of KOC. They will
make this business (Jazz) into a great Entertaining masterpiece. Then make Hulk
Hogan head coach. Its a circus anyway so why not add big profile names to do the
I say we pass on milsap. I guarantee he will be remembered as a kirilenko/CJ
contract! This is a contract year for Boozer ehich means that he is going to
play some defense. so let Portland sabotage their salary situation and show
Boozer some love. The fans turned on him too quickly. I have read articles
about his efforts to rehab and that he works very hard. Kirilenko will be
happier getting time at the 4 with milsap gone and he will be a better value for
his huge contract.
Paul Allen owns the Blazers and is worth over 20 billion dollars. If he wants to
give Roy and Aldridge max deals he will. Also Darius Miles and Steve Francis'
bloated contracts will come off the books when Roy and Aldridges new contracts
start. Educate yourself!
replace both Boozer and Millsap. Neither are capable of solving the Jazz
problems. Both are poor on defense and especially against LA/SA. The
worst thing the Jazz can do is over pay Millsap and then give Boozer away.
Signing Millsap guarantees the Jazz pay lux tax this year and next year. Worst
of all it means the Jazz can't get some better players in the fire sales and
next year. Retaining mediocre players and hoping they will play
better is a dumb strategy. Start with enough talent and continuity will work
better. Why can't the Jazz admitt that both Boozer and Millsap are
not adequate to run the offense much less defence the way it needs to be run?Why are they so stuck on stupid?I can understand fans who
love Millsap. They are blind to his obvious weaknesses. The Jazz
front office is not blind. They did not sign Millsap to a long contract last
year when they should because they knew he had weaknesses. Now they
want to over pay him. What is wrong with the Jeckle Hyde Jazz. The problems are
in the front office and coaching.
Trade Boozer to MIami for Beasley & cap reliefLet milsap walk...save
money. Let AK start at 4, he'll be happier and he'll blossom into the AK of old.
Let Beasley back-up AK or start him at the 3.Sign Big Baby
davis....maybe (he may cost a lot)But most importantly save money
for next year. It's a great free-agent class, plus we'll have a NY's 1st round
pick (hopefully top five) and we'll have our first round pick. It should be a
great draft class too.O'Conner, save your cash for next year. Milsap
is good, but not an all-star and that's who the jazz need in their system right
now. Also trading AK for Tmac is risky, but may be a big payoff, especially if
we don't have milsap or boozer.
dont trade beasely trade haslem ,blount, wright cash and a future 1st round pick
i think that they should trade booooozer for tashan and a 1st round pick
trade boozer to toronto for chris bosh.
why not trade for some one who can make the jazz better not worse like tracy mc
if it aint broken dont fix it unless you make it better the lakers allways do
how about us