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  • Newbie
    July 11, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    See ya later Paul. Have fun in Portland making way too much money.

  • Blazer fan
    July 11, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    It's going to be nice to have Millsap come off the bench and back up Aldridge.

    Jazz fans, stop assuming that the 3 team deal between POR, CHI and UTA is still on, it is not!

    $$$$$$$$$ BABY!!!! Whoo Whoo!!!! :D
    2009-2010 western conference predictions:
    1. Lakers
    2. Spurs
    3. Trail Blazers
    4. Nuggets
    5. Mavericks
    6. Hornets
    7. Rockets
    8. Suns
    9. Jazz
    10. Warriors
    11. Clippers
    12. Thunder
    13. Grizzlies
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  • Jazzfan
    July 11, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    Way way too much money. Let him go!!!! Especially after his agents comments about how they were offended by the Jazz's offer, it sounded greedy

  • Well
    July 11, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    I do hope that you would be a lot more appreciated for your excellent work ethics in Portland. Unlike Utah, where the Jazz and the fans still think that you should be under valued. The best of luck and enjoy your well deserved opportunity.

  • Anonymous
    July 11, 2009 5:16 p.m.

    If I understand correctly, that comes to 7.6M against the salary cap (6.2 plus 1/4 of the signing bonus), so the question is one of immediate cash flow. If the Jazz have the 10.3M in an account ready to pay up front, the rest of the contract is really not as bad as expected, especially in terms of cap room for the future.

  • bc
    July 11, 2009 5:16 p.m.

    see ya time to become anther no name shannon anderson, vaghan , russell,eisle and the list goes on.

  • Mark A. in Logan
    July 11, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    I love Millsap as much as anyone, but I think the Jazz would be making a mistake paying this permanent backup player starter's money. I say you make Portland eat the contract they tried to trick the Jazz to match with.

  • Alexy
    July 11, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    Hahahahaha, there is no way we would match it. Boozer screwed us last season by playing poorly and now by opting in. I bet you D-Will is livid.

  • Anonymous
    July 11, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    Love Millsap, but not worth that much money.

  • LOTTERY OR MILLSAP!
    July 11, 2009 5:25 p.m.

    The signing bonus is to make Utah go deepper into the luxury tax. However, the Jazz need to make this move. It will hurt now but payoff or Playoff later however you want to look at it. When Loozer leave we'll need the better Millsap. If Portland gets Millsap the Jazz will behind Portland for years to come. Make my words Millsap will continue to work on his game and become better every year. He's not afraid of hard work.

    Take your pick MILLSAP OR LOTTERY!

    LOOZER IS TERRIBLE
    AJ SOFT
    CJ TERRIBLE
    BREWER CANT SHOOT

    WE NEED MILLSAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • What a Joke!
    July 11, 2009 5:29 p.m.

    Each person has their strengths, talents, and chosen profession. When more and more hard-working men and women are loosing their jobs each day, it shows the audacious selfishness of "Professional" athletes to demand enough money to provide multiple lifetimes of comfort to hundreds, if not thousands, of people as a signing bonus.

  • Observation-ist
    July 11, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    It's times like this that are a blunt reminder that the NBA is a business. Fans think of it as entertainment. Greg Miller, KOC, etc don't think of it that way.

    It would be helpful DMN if you would help us fans understand how signing bonus money counts against the salary cap.

    Paul's spokespeople can get off their high horses about how the Jazz under-valued Paul and how Portland really understood. That fact is that Paul was Portland's second (at best) choice after Hedo Turkolu. Had Hedo signed with Portland, Paul may not have such a lucrative offer.

    As a fan, I love Paul. He's everything I desire in an NBA player: Tough, Hard Working, Unassuming, Productive. As a business owner, it will be interesting to see how the Jazz respond. Paul is certainly worth 6-7M per year long before AK is worth 16-17M per year or Boozer worth 12M.

    I would still try and trade Boozer for Rip Hamilton. Salaries are comparable.

    Certainly the Jazz can't complain about a front loaded contract. They did it to Cleveland to get Carlos.

  • David
    July 11, 2009 5:33 p.m.

    David Lee anyone?

  • Anonymous
    July 11, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    I love Paul, but I'm sorry, those numbers are obscene.

  • Groundhogday
    July 11, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Millsap is a great high energy reserve, and perhaps can develop into a viable NBA starter. But given his lack of either size or a jump shot, he will never be an offensive force. Defensively, he hustles but has trouble defending quality bigs. I love Millsap, as a quality role player. But you just don't give this kind of money to a role player.

  • NO MILLSAP EMPTY ARENA
    July 11, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    Those number are not high. AK 16M are high. MILLAP is worth every penny+.

  • just me
    July 11, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    just friggin match it!

  • rcc
    July 11, 2009 5:52 p.m.

    Are you trying to tell me the Jazz don"t have it??? That is just crazy!!! They havent paid luxuary tax ever, You dont think they aren"t making millions over the years?? Pay up for once. Maybe you could take it from your medeorcore coach. He can"t ever seem to win a big one. Maybe he needs to learn how to moviate good players to become great and not choke in real game situtations!!!!!They never make a trade that means much so just pay up.

  • Zac
    July 11, 2009 5:59 p.m.

    Re: Blazer fan
    Keep dreaming. The Jazz will make the playoffs next year even without Millsap. I hope you are stuck paying a backup at PF starter money for the next four years. Plus, we have the Knicks' pick next season. Here's hoping for 60 losses. I guess for Millsap it really is all about the money. He'll be in the same situation in Portland as he is here, backing up an all-star. Good luck Paul. It was nice having you on our team. I hope we kick your butt all four times we play.

  • Groundhogday
    July 11, 2009 6:09 p.m.

    Questions to ask:
    1) Crunch time, can feed the ball to Millsap in the post and count on either a score or double team that opens up opportunities for someone else?
    2) Crunch time, can you count on Millsap to make a key stop against a top-level big?

    The evidence suggests a negative response to both questions. Millsap earns his stats by playing hard when other players are slacking. This is exactly what you want out of a key reserve or a complementary starter. But how much money can you really afford to give to a guy who can't make the key stop defensively or the key basket offensively?

  • SHUT UP Blazer Fans!
    July 11, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    I'm tired of these Oregonians coming in here shooting there mouths off! SHUT UP! The Jazz will match Millsap's offer and get something for Boozer, their not going to risk losing 2 PF's in 2010. As far as comparing the Jazz to the Blazers. The Jazz are still the better team, there deep, and the Blazers don't have a point guard; and until they do, they may get closer to the Jazz, THAT'S RIGHT I SAID "MAY GET CLOSER"!!!

  • George
    July 11, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    Prichard is stupid. Portland culd have signed Odom who is a lot better than Milsap and weakened the Lakers at the same time. Milsap's numbers will decrease playing along side Oden. With all the shooters on Portland, there will not be many plays run for Milsap. Also, Milsap's uncle is stupid.

    If Boozer had not been injured, the contract never would have happened.

    Let's get rid of Milsap and Boozer. Harpring will retire next year then we will have cash to find bargin players like Gooden and Wilcox. Every time Wilcox played against Utah. we didn't have anybody big enough to stop him.

    After Milsap leaves, let's replace him with Josh Duncan or Koufas. Koufas will make Jazz fans forget Milsap in a hurry. In case you missed he news Koufas has already put on 20 pounds.

  • Chuckles55
    July 11, 2009 6:26 p.m.

    Too bad Snoozer opted in. It's a shame that the Jazz couldn't have taken his "I quit" back he tendered it. Paul Millsap is a quality player who will continue to develop into an NBA star. I'll be sad to see him go.

  • todd from santa ana
    July 11, 2009 6:43 p.m.

    I was wondering if everyone's love child, Eric Maynor made a basket in the 5 games in Orlando?

    Just asking..

  • Northstar
    July 11, 2009 6:58 p.m.

    The Jazz already have a couple of other PFs they can use: Okur is really a PF, IMHO. People say AK is really a PF that has been playing out of position. Kofous looked last year like he could handle either the 4 or the 5 spot.

    So trade Boozer for a defensive 5, let Millsap go, and the Jazz are in great shape. Goodbye to both Millsap and Boozer.

  • if it really is a 32 million
    July 11, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    dollar contract and he is getting 10 million this year than he will only be getting paid around 6 or 7 the rest of the contract so it is only painful this year.

  • OPTIMISTIC
    July 11, 2009 7:01 p.m.

    let Milsap go, I relize he may be one of 4 people on the team with heart, get rid of the soft Boozer with no defenseive ability, clear up that cap room and sign D-Wade next year, D-Wade, D-Will, Okur,Brewer, and AK would make us great contenders

  • Gotta Love it
    July 11, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    But certainly way too much. Have a good ride in the Rose City, Paul. Best in luck to you and your family.

  • kanaka818
    July 11, 2009 7:12 p.m.

    Worst case scenario: Jazz let Milsap go and cannot unload Boozer. Then Boozer is hurt most of the year. Duh, what do we do then?



















  • Miles
    July 11, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    Why does everyone think that Portland signed Millsap to hurt Utah? Makes no sense. If my memory serves me correctly, the Lakers, Nuggets, Houston, Spurs, Hornets all finished ahead of Portland and Utah. So is Portlands goal to finish 7th next year? That's just crazy talk. Their goal is to better themselves to beat the Lakers. Not the Jazz. Sorry Guys but we are not the big boys on the block, the Lakers and Spurs are.

  • Given the economy for the next
    July 11, 2009 7:22 p.m.

    2 or more years, Millsap is not worth more than the MLE. If you look at the FAs who have been signing for the MLE many of them are proven and better than Millsap.

    Since the Jazz are in the tax anyway, would they be better off spending 10 million on any other player they could trade for? Of course.

    Millsap is not the right player at PF. He was a very good back up who stepped up but that is all.

    The only reason POR is offering that is because they are hoping that signing Millsap for an extra 4 million this year will save them more than 4 million in their negotiations with Aldridge.

    This is a business. If the Jazz can get more for 10 million, like a decent back up PF and a shooting SG then they should.

    Forget Millsap. This is a simple easy decision. Why is it so hard for the Jazz to rotate role players?

    Is the problem Sloan? KOC? Miller? This problem needs to be fixed.

    Good thing POR is forcing the Jazz to rethink the PF or the Jazz would be stuck with Millsap starting for years.

  • Jeff K
    July 11, 2009 7:34 p.m.

    Please let him walk and pick up D Lee before its to late!

  • Hurt? Millsap was never
    July 11, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    the same after he got his knee hurt. Millsap is just as prone to injury as Boozer. Further, Boozer is harder to stop on offense. Millsap is a little better on defense but fouls a lot. Neither can defend tall athletic bigs. Millsap can't really play C or SF he is just a back up PF. He is a rebounding specialist.

    In this economy he can be replaced for the MLE. Don't replace him, get someone more talented and versatile. Whatever you do don't match the offer.

    The Jazz are already stuck with an unconventional C. They can't afford to have an unconventional PF. Unconventional means major weaknesses.

    Trade Fez for Landry or someone like Landry making 3 million. You will get just as much production and upside as with Millsap at 10 million. This is a really easy decision.

    The Jazz could have had Blair by moving up in the second round. He does everything Millsap does only better. How dumb does letting SA get Blair look now?

    Why are the Jazz so passive and non proactive? They wait until fate forces decides for them.

    The Jazz are mismanaged.

  • John P
    July 11, 2009 7:50 p.m.

    Millsap is a great backup, and might be worth about 6 mil a year, but 10.3 million and the luxury tax hit.. (does signing bonus count as salary? Does it count for lux tax hit??) Not worth it.
    I sincerely hope Jazz management don't let their egos decide this. It was great having him, but let him go.

  • doc
    July 11, 2009 7:52 p.m.

    Why does it seem like Portland was desperate to sign a backup power forward (to a 10 million dollar contract no less) who is only going to play 12 to 15 minutes a game? It seems like after being rebuffed a number of free agents, the Blazer felt compelled to sign someone, anyone.

    Unless the Jazz can unload Boozer, I think they will let Millsap walk, and considering the salary cap penalty for signing Millsap, who could blame them?

  • Bob in line
    July 11, 2009 8:06 p.m.

    Not like I'm an expert but it seems the Trailblazers front office really pulled off a smart move.

    If you look at year two and beyond they are paying a very reasonable rate for a very solid backup powerforward: Around $6 million a year. The Jazz offered him something like $5.5 million a year.

    What the Trailblazers did is put an extra $4 million up front to chase the Jazz out. Not bad of a bonus to pay a reasonable rate for a backup player of his caliber.

    Also, the Jazz under Larry Miller have had a very good reputation for living within their means. Miller refused to go into debt/luxury tax. Smart on his part. I guess we all get to find out what the next Miller thinks of debt. Is it debt or an investment? I don't know. That's their job to decide, just wondering.

    Smart for the Blazers. Now what are we going to do?

    It seems about unanimous that Boozer is a bust. Can we burn his contract and sign him for the $5.5 million? How about $10 million but prorated for games he actually plays in?

    Just dreaming.

  • Easy Call
    July 11, 2009 8:08 p.m.

    Math the offer, the sooner the better. Then, look for a matching piece from the Boozer bait, a Hamilton or Thomas.

    Boozer's paycheck is the obscene piece here, not the much smaller pot for Millsap.

  • Phnehme
    July 11, 2009 8:11 p.m.

    Let him go....Keep in mind this is really a 22 million dollar contract. Unless we can completely dump Boozers contract on someone, which not only would be stupid, but highly unlikely. We will pay Milsap 10 mil plus dollar for dollar for being about 12 mil over the cap...years 2-4 are reasonable, but 22 million for a back up PF that breaks down putting up starter minutes is not worth it. I still say trade boozer for Hamilton, and go with what we have. I am willing to bet AK will relish being back at the 4. Signing Boozer was a mistake when we already had a all star PF even though a little light, he still played a lot better defense the Boozer ever did.

  • Henry Drummond
    July 11, 2009 8:25 p.m.

    Do it. You need to think more than one year. You'll drop 18 million next year and another 17 million the following year. Let's build a team of people who want to be here.

  • If Millsap leaves
    July 11, 2009 8:35 p.m.

    the stands will not be empty, the Jazz will not miss the playoffs, POR will be a little better off but not much (they are already better than the Jazz for less money), The Jazz will not have a worse record (it may be better depending on who they get).

    The Jazz are not going to miss Millsap if they get a decent back up PF for the MLE (Gooden can produce Millsaps numbers, so can a lot of young cheap players). The Jazz will be better if they trade Boozer for a very good PF and a shooting SG by Jan. There is no hurry.

    Millsap was not that great as a back up before or after Boozer's injury. Koufos can put up Millsap's back up numbers as the new back up!

    It is time to move on. Go get a really good young tall, athletic PF. You can trade Harp for one easily. In due time trade Boozer for cap, a SG and any other needs.

    In my opinion the Jazz should have got some insurance in the 2nd round by moving up. Why expect the players to play defense when the organization does not?

  • Anonymous
    July 11, 2009 8:37 p.m.

    Please let him go. I don't care about the money, it isn't mine. Please don't commit to mediocrity at the power forward position for the next 4 years. I'd rather take a risk on a draft pick than be locked into a guy who has never run the pick and roll, and doesn't appear to have the skills to run it.

  • Buy a Car for Millsap
    July 11, 2009 8:39 p.m.

    Everyone that is in the market for a car should buy from a Larry H. Miller Dealership...Luxury tax done! Keep Shoppin' Boozer...there are alot of teams that want his talent and contract for one year (about all you can trust him for).

    KEEP PAUL!!!

  • jbra80
    July 11, 2009 8:43 p.m.

    It's really not that bad of a deal, we can take that hit for a year and then the rest of his contract will be fair. Other than offense, he is better than Booz. He isn't the best defender but hustle and the willingness to actually try to compete on defense makes him valuable. People point out that he fell off after his injury and some idiot even suggested that he is as injury prone as booz. I point out that he still played 76 games and played hurt the last quarter of the season, plus the playoffs. So yeah, he probably fell off a little bit, but he still hustled the whole way. You need tough guys on your team. If Harp retires, we'll have Deron and Brewer as the only guys not scared of contact.

    One other thing...I can't believe people keep saying that Koufas is a possible replacement for both Booz and Millsap. Who will his back up be? Souton or are we bringing back Collins? We'll be in the lottery for sure if that happens.

  • Justice
    July 11, 2009 9:14 p.m.

    There are so many lazy slugs in this league getting top dollar, it is nice to see a hard woker like Milsap getting a decent contract.

  • Plain pathetic
    July 11, 2009 9:33 p.m.

    It is very sad for me to see Jazz fans, apparently the ignorant fans, claim that this salary is too much for Millsap but then defend what Boozer has done.

  • Anonymous
    July 11, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    Way too much money - LET HIM GO.

  • Koof is adequate
    July 11, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    as a back up to Booz if Millsap is gone. He is also adequate as a back up to Okur. Koufos can not replace Boozer as the starting PF.

    Koufos will buy some time to trade Booz for the right PF and maybe a SG. He has to develop his left hand, just gain more experience and develop range on his shot. He will need another year or two before he can start but he can play back up now.

    @8:37 just made the compelling argument for losing Millsap. He can't run the pick and roll. Koufos can. Millsap can't run a number of the Boozer plays. Koufos may learn and is taller. Koufos is a better defender than both Millsap and Boozer.

    However, C is the best position for Koufos. He is 280 now same as Bynum. He will beef up more.

    If Fez has his act together he can back up C while Koufos backs up PF.

    When Boozer goes the Jazz have to have a developing modern PF, tall athletic, quick, good shot and defender. That is not Millsap.

    With Okur at C the Jazz have to have a great PF.

  • Ryan
    July 11, 2009 9:44 p.m.

    Bye Bye Paul, nice knowing you.

  • jason
    July 11, 2009 9:47 p.m.

    The Jazz will match. Millsap will prove in time he is worth every cent of the contract.

  • Professor
    July 11, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    Listen up Jazz fans - SLC is a second tier NBA town. The only way you can renovate your downtown is through contributions from the church. SLC is a nice place to visit, but let's face it, NBA stars really don't want to see any one way tickets to your town since it's a dead end for anyone who wants to be a champ!

  • todd from santa ana
    July 11, 2009 10:28 p.m.

    The latest updates tonight reported on various news sources including one in Northern California are allegedly reporting the Jazz "are desperate" to trade Boyzer before time expires on Millsap.


    Reports are if trading Snoozie, Millsap they will match (are they ok 10 million and 4 m signing bonus?)

    If unable to (remember it is O COnnor Folks)
    Millsap will leave.

    Once again Boozer holding franchise hostage/...


    I almost want him dumped for a paper bag and an apple.

  • Let em both go
    July 11, 2009 11:02 p.m.

    Both Snooze and Millsap should go. It's time the Jazz start trying to make their team better, and that isn't Snooze or Sap!

  • nick
    July 11, 2009 11:22 p.m.

    let milly and price go. sign odom, trade boozer, harp, and korver, sign wes matthews and josh duncan from summer league.

    trade:wright
    anthony randolph
    maggette
    turiaf

    for:
    kirilenko
    korver
    knicks 1st rounder




    then:boozer+harp for jermaine oneal, he gives us defense and
    huge contract comes up at end of year and have loads of cap




    dwill
    brewer
    odom
    okur/randolph
    oneal/randolph

    maynor
    maggette
    matthews
    turiaf/koufus/duncan
    wright/fesenko


    this would be a definite championship team, we have stacked team full of defense and athleticism 1-14, your thoughts

  • The Dude
    July 11, 2009 11:31 p.m.

    Blazers fans,

    Sorry to bust your bubble, but Ironma Millsap will be in Utah for a long time to come. Soak it in while its at your fingertips, but you'll see how much we value this player and this team.
    Go JAZZ.

  • JR
    July 11, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    Anthony Randolph is untouchable. Good try though.

  • CJ3
    July 11, 2009 11:45 p.m.

    If the Jazz keep Boozer they are practically guaranteed AT LEAST the 6th spot in the POs...Pho, Hou, and NO will be lucky to sniff the bottom of the West, and Dallas isn't much better.

    The Jazz offer to Millsap was $1.03 mill.

    And finally...who the HAY is Josh Duncan?!?!

  • Shaybo
    July 11, 2009 11:56 p.m.

    re: Lottery or Milsap, I think lottery would be better.

  • PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
    July 12, 2009 12:10 a.m.

    Don't do this. I like Milsap - all Jazz fans do. But he isn't worth this much money. If the Jazz let Milsap go to Portland and keep Boozer for a year we'll be really good this year and with Boozer, Harpring and Korver's expiring contracts that is about $25MM freed up to make a run at one of the big free agents of 2010.

  • Dexter
    July 12, 2009 12:15 a.m.

    K Portland fan! You really think we're going to finish AFTER the SUNS in the western conference NO CHANCE?! Also, to the guy who couldn't figure out why the Blazers are trying to hurt the jazz, its because they CAN AND are in our DIVISION.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's dump anyone and everyone on the roster except for D Will and get Dwayne Wade! I know there's not a chance he will come from Miami to Utah but man, it would be so nice.

  • Good Luck & Goodbye
    July 12, 2009 12:24 a.m.

    We all like Millsap for solid mid level exception money, but not at the cost of hurting the Jazz organization with a huge luxury tax burden and for well proven starter money.

    If he would rather be a back up in Portland, as reported by his associate and from him signing that contract instead of letting the Jazz do a similar contract with less up front for the cap, then let him go. Perhaps he is afraid to start (Boozer was a guaranteed trade before he signed that contract) and he must want to remain a back up in Portland, so stick it back to Portland and have their salary cap fully spent/tied up paying a back up as their highest paid player! Don't overpay for players anymore (Ostertag and Kerilenko ring a bell?)

  • Who is this Vartanian?
    July 12, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    This Ara Vartanian character is quite ridiculous. I mean completely ridiculous! I went to the Oregonian website, and Vartanian is going off on how Millsap has 3 point range, but never showed it because of Sloan. If crashing the ball off the side of the glass from the elbow is considered "3 point range" so be it.

  • sigh.....just match it
    July 12, 2009 12:32 a.m.

    the salary cap # and what he will be paid can and in this case are different numbers. even though he gets the bonus upfront, only 25% counts on this year's payroll. T-Buck needs to get with the program. I'm tired of emailing him when he inverses numbers on stats and doesn't do his CBA homework!

    "Who are you? And why are you here?"

  • No way
    July 12, 2009 12:46 a.m.

    Great guy.

    Hard worker.

    Good team mate.

    Good rebounder.

    Good hustle guy.

    Limited low post game.

    Too short to be a starting PF.

    Bye Paul.

    No you know why AK announced the other day he is not playing on his national team and is instead "working on his body". The Jazz have likely told him they will be losing boozer, millsap, or both of them.

    Whoever gets Millsap now will be overpaying....UNLESS we can unload a big contract. I guess we have until the trade deadline. We can match now and take months to unload Booz or AK if we want to.

    As long as we don't finish the season with this much salary then we won't be paying all that tax.

    Paul becomes much more affordable without the tax.

    Tick tock!!!

  • TheWiz
    July 12, 2009 12:47 a.m.

    Now the Oregonians want this small-market team to go bust and wind up as their new I-5 rivals: the Seattle Supersonics, Mach II. :p Portland is definately bullying Jazz management right now.

    I still think that Milsap has shown that he is more consistent than Boozer at this point; however, it is a lot to ask. Will it be worth it to keep him? We'll see. Let's just hope that we can keep (or find) another PF for a while to fill in the void left by Milsap.

  • mr
    July 12, 2009 12:49 a.m.

    maybe Karl will come out of retirement.

  • Blazer Nation
    July 12, 2009 12:49 a.m.

    From a Blazer fan...I just want to say that this whole thing is unfortunate.

    I want Millsap on the Blaers (he would kill on that team), but I really wish our sports enviornment supported more loyalty to the team who drafted them, developed them and brought them up through the system. I know that I want to keep our key guys.

    There has to be a better way. There should be some kind of clause allowing special privleges to the incumbent team. That way we wouldn't see players jumping all around every year.

    Jazz - you guys are class all the way. Stay that way. Stockton to Malone forever. I'll feel great if we get Millsap, but a little underhanded at the same time.

  • Let Paul Go?
    July 12, 2009 1:08 a.m.

    I'm a Millsap guy, but overpaying an undersized four is what the Knicks do. Look how bad they are. Brandon Bass got, what, 4 years 18 mil? He's a very similar player to Millsap.

    Maybe the move is to let Portland have that toxic deal. Good luck resigning Roy, Oden, Aldridge, etc!!

  • todd to cj3
    July 12, 2009 1:25 a.m.

    Dallas not much better?

    Hee hee Hee Hee


    Another greg disciple and Sloanie

    It may not mean more reg season wins but they likely will get back to 2nd round of playoffs and would do well in the east.

    Gorcat and Dampier the 2 of them are better defensively than OKURRIE


    Dampier even hurt the JAzz in that loss late season at Big D

    Marion says and I believe him, he is healthy, confident, fired up and ready

    31 is not washed up.

    MArion will be great on the Mavericks. No doubt

    Also much better coaching led by Carlisle and an owner that least tries to win succeed or not..



  • the village people
    July 12, 2009 1:34 a.m.

    that means you are crying over Paul like a bunch of rednecks.

    32-36 mil over 4 years is 9 mil per year with signing bonus averaged in. With 10 million you get Odom who can dribble, can defend and has a nose for the ball.

    With Odom and Boozer and Dwill this team can surprise a lot of teams...OR we can keep scratching in the dirt like a bunch of chickens never daring to look up.

    Derek Fisher said the diff between Jerry Sloan and Phil Jackson is Jerry wants the team to play hard each game, and Phil expects a win each game.

    I think Paul can play hard but he doesnt' expect to win each game. Dwil, Boozer, and other winners expect to win it all the time.

    Something else to consider is that poor management will have us pay AK and Harpring 21.5 million this season. What have we changed since then? Our expectations? I hope not.

  • Bye Millsap
    July 12, 2009 2:10 a.m.

    Millsap is not worth that kind of money. It's a dumb move by Portland as they will never win a championship with their current roster (including Millsap).

    Teams around the league don't want to do business with the Blazers and nobody will want Millsap at that kind of money. They have to resign Roy and Aldridge which eats up all of their cap room to sign any quality free agents in the future.

    Millsap is not going to put them over the top to compete for a championship. Let Millsap go and watch the the Blazers dig their own grave on a 15 minute per game backup forward.

    Like the Blazers, the Jazz aren't winning a championship with their current roster anyway. They will have the New York pick next season and some cap room from Boozer, Harpring, Korver and Millsap coming off the books. Lots of options to work with for next season.

  • TurkeyGlue
    July 12, 2009 3:18 a.m.

    Portland has no need to have a bench back-up paid the second highest salary on their team. They did this "toxic" manuever because the Jazz have to keep Millsap if they can shop Boozer or they have NO PF. The luxary tax hit to Utah could be around $20 million this year to sign Milsap ( matching the salary, huge front-end bonus, and losing their perpetual pay-off for always being under the Cap). Larry Miller dies and his family is devastasted by this move. If they match the Milsap ransom, The Jazz become the highest paid salary team in the NBA, and they still need to sign another player, yet to be acquired. I consider this a dirty blow against a team in the same Northwest Division that has ruled Portland's butts for years. Portland can "kiss goodbye" any future cooperative trades with the Jazz for players they actually need by burning this bridge with Utah. This was a sleazy, vindictive act by Pritchard.

  • getadog
    July 12, 2009 3:34 a.m.

    Make a run at a big free agent in 2010??? I'm sorry, is there a big free agent next year who went to BYU? Maybe someone who has secretly converted to Mormonism? I don't think D-Wade is leaving South Beach to take up snowboarding. The Jazz better realize that drafting guys like Millsap in the second round is the best way to add talent in SLC, and if you find a diamond in the rough, you'd better do what you can to keep him. No free agents are coming.

  • MILSAP WILL STAY!!!!
    July 12, 2009 3:48 a.m.

    As someone who's in the PR business, Kevin O'Connor at his interview yesterday for D-Wills charity golf tourney has exposed the Jazz intentions by saying that the Jazz don't intend on overpaying Milsap but a match offer will be considered carefully.

    That's a technique in the PR world most politicians use to prep the audience for their decision and playing up the magnitude of the end result. In this case, Kevin is playing coy but mentioning ONCE again the Jazz won't over pay Milsap but what he's really saying is that they will indeed match the offer because it's not overpaying Milsap.

    Then again maybe this is just a ploy to get a sign and trade with the Chicago-Portland-Utah trade senario with Boozer again. With Milsaps signing bonus, will this enable the deal to go forward so the Blazers get Hinrich, Chicago gets Boozer and the Jazz get Milsap and Thomas?

  • odogtriever
    July 12, 2009 5:15 a.m.

    Lottery is not an option. Those saying lottery is better are stupid. This team could be in the lottery and picking 13th or 14th at best. With d-will, they will never be a bad team. Tell me how many great players in the last 10 years came from the bbottom of the lottery. Now tell me how many busts. I don't know the number but it is more busts than all-stars

    I don't see what the big deal is all about. The real contract is around 6 to 7 mill a year. That is what the jazz valued him at anyway. The only killer is the signing bonus and some speculate that not all of the signing bonus counts against the cap. Milsap as a starter averages 18 & 10, and that is with an undeveloped offensive game and no plays ran for him. I can think of a lot of players that get those same numbers and they make more money.

  • The differenc between LA
    July 12, 2009 5:48 a.m.

    and Utah is obvious. When Ariza tried to stiff the Lakers they replaced him in a heart beat. They had plan B in place and ready.

    The Jazz on the other hand are getting mugged because they are incapable of changing. Supposedly they were prepared for all contingencies. They can and should replace Millsap with a player making the MLE.

    Shopping Boozer frantically may just be media hype. Are the Jazz really dumb enough to make two major mistakes at the same time. Panic never results in a good deal. They know that. The Boozer trade represents the future of the franchise. If they blow that we will all know the problems are hopeless because the are in the front office.

    It seems to be part of their corporate DNA. They are incapable of replacing players. They insist on overpaying.

    What is wrong with the Jazz? They can run car dealerships. Is it so hard to part with a used car? They can always get another one at a decent price.

    Is Millsap going to save the franchise? Boozer is actually a better player.

    Why are the Jazz so incapable of managing change? What is wrong with this organization?

  • More than anyting else
    July 12, 2009 7:07 a.m.

    in a turbulent environment, an organization has to be flexible, adaptable and capable of rapid effective change. The economic environment is changing rapidly.

    The Jazz are in a bind and seem to be very flat footed.

    POR has microsoft roots they are very capable of change and thrive on it. LA obviously does as well. SA has remade itself many times. DAL is very proactive. Even DEN is proactive. Lastly PHO is adapting. They changed the mistake of bringing in Shaq. HOU took major risks and got bit but they will adapt quickly.

    The Jazz relish not changing. Like Bush they try to force the environment to reward them for spitting into the wind (bad idea). They are stubborn and try to ride thru shifts they should adapt to.

    Rule #1 stay on the right side of the mega trends. Take advantage of the cheap labor available.

    Everything about Sloan's behavior suggests that he is very resistant to change. He literally seems to run the Jazz from the bottom up.

    He has no education, experience nor capability of running a large organization. The Jazz are incompetent from the bottom up since the bottom is running the organization.

  • Equafinality
    July 12, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    is a principle that states that their in many situations there is more than one "right way". There is a set of feasible successful solutions.

    There is more than one combination of players who are capable of winning.

    ORL seems to be adapting well. They simply replaced key players with other players. Same for LA, SA and DAL. POR is taking advantage of the drop in player costs and playing hardball on resigning key players.

    The point is key players are replaceable as long as you get one of the right combinations of players.

    Utah has not had and does not have a "right combination" but they insist on not trying to get a right combination.

    Today the flexible and adaptable beat the slow and non adaptive. There is a reason why POR choose to mug Utah and not NY. That reason is not Millsap. Utah is a hapless non adaptive sloth ripe for attacking. They could get Lee and trade Aldridge it would be a better move but NY now has proactive management and POR attacked Utah because they are incapable of managing change.

    In POR the GM not the coach does the GM job.

  • Sports Fan
    July 12, 2009 7:27 a.m.

    This is all obscene. How are pro athletes any different that the CEO's of the major corporations. They make exorbitant amounts of money and the government is attacking them. We fans who support the franchises are barely getting by in providing basic support to our families. All of us are talented in one way or another, but do we pull down salaries in the millions. Why should a pro athlete have the opportunity to work for 5-10 years and never have to work again. Many of the athletes just waste the money they make on drugs, posses, gambling, etc. Lets rein this in before it gets further out of hand. There is more to life than money. The world is full of greed. The love of money is the root of all evil. Get a life.

  • louisiana jazz man
    July 12, 2009 7:29 a.m.

    klinko 16 mil boz 12 mil okur 10.5 millsap 6.2 if im portland reading all these blog im smileing big time. if you can get a player like millsap for 6.2 you just stole him. utah willnot even make the playoffs with out him. caint belive everything you read you would think they are talking to millsap not agents. but if im reading blogs wich he probly is not man with that much money has better things to do, portland is excited utah mostly saying let him go not worth 6.2 mil after making 700.ooo for 3 yrs. i would be ready to head to portland. i guess i will be watching portland next year only reason i watched utah was williams and millsap. looks like you have run boozer and millsap off. whats next williams send him on to portland then all i have to watch is 1 team.

  • Millsap is a JOKE!!
    July 12, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    He is not worth the money Portland is offering...plain and simple. None of these prima donas are worth the money with the current economic situation. These guys seem to be bulletproof when it comes to signing contracts. In the case of Millsap he played a lot during the Boozer/Okur injury period. He simply cannot score in the context of playing with the regular setup of players. Besides that just because Boozer/Williams/Okur score as they do versus other teams doesn't mean anything. The NBA is just an exhibition league until the playoffs. The Jazz is just as stated by other postings...a NICE TEAM that will never get a sniff of the championship other than the Malone/Stockton years. Enjoy what we have. Even with Millsap, Portland will not be improved to championship status. Millsap is undersized and is subject to injuries with his style of play. He will be a bust at Portland...trust me. The Jazz are in the process of dissolution. Boozer will be gone after next season. The money will dry up. Sooner or later the league is going to come back to reality on the contracts. This is ridiculous on contracts.

  • Health
    July 12, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    Millsap is not a starter by any means in this league. I guarantee his body will break down during this season. He didn't even make it a whole season at Utah. Let him go and save some cash for next season's spending spree. AK could you just leave your contract and go back to Russia, you are killing the Jazz...why don't you seek a new deal!

  • CJ3 Re: Todd
    July 12, 2009 8:17 a.m.

    Always enjoy your comments, Todd.

    Here's the thing about Dallas:
    Yes, they should do well in their division, because NO and Hou are headed in the wrong direction, but there's a very good chance they'll at least have injury issues.

    Literally half the team is 30+ years of age. Nowitski, Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry (all key guys, the core if you will), Devean George, another key rotation player I can't recall at the moment, and yes, even Erick Dampier who is having a birthday here real quick, will be 34.

    3/4 of the roatation are geriatric, in NBA terms.

    I like Carlilse, but I don't know how much he'll have to work with this season.

  • RE: O'Conner
    July 12, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    Let's see here, Millsap gone, Boozer gone after one more year at best. A center that can't post up in church ball. AK a head case who only shows up when he wants to. We are in trouble folks. The cause, O'Conner. Other that Williams his first round picks have been suspect. He overpaid for AK putting us in to this mess. He got lucky with Millsap. O'Conner has to go. He has put us near the luxury tax with an average ball club. How is that possible.

  • fossil
    July 12, 2009 8:27 a.m.

    we have ny draft pick next summer and there are some nice pf. coming out. one more lottery year next season and we will be ok. we will have two number one draft picks and will be in the top five pick also and a extra pick to move into the top two if needed. will get a superstar.

  • fossil
    July 12, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    read next years mock draft some great power forwards in the top ten coming out, we will get one of the best with new yorks draft pick. they are holding money for next years free agents so they should have a bad bad season which is great for us.

  • JD
    July 12, 2009 8:33 a.m.

    I strongly suspect that Portland's management is smarter than to make a less than serious offer for any player, only to cause problems for a single team.

    They no doubt are aware that matching the offer could cause the Jazz some problems on a short-term basis. However, to do that without helping yourself in both the short-term and long-term would not be a smart move. Portland, like every other team in the league, wants to do what is best for them, not just what is worst for one other team.

  • @ Louisiana Jazz Man
    July 12, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    I think I get the meaning of your comment, it's just hard to deciphere with your penmanship and spelling. Paul was drafted in the 2nd round and that has NBA contract limitations as to salary, thats the reason Paul was somewhat under paid in his first years. He now has shown he is a talent, but nothing more than a good sub. He is and will not be ever a starter in this league unless it is for the same reason that he started last year. The player he was subbing for went down and he had to step in as the starter, otherwise he's back on the bench where he belongs filling in as a reserve. He's not and I repeat not athletic, he is just a hard worker who will stay in this league for a long time because of his work ethic. Portland has over paid now let them decide how they are going to use him! I'd personnally take Gooden or Nocioni any day for less money.

  • JD
    July 12, 2009 9:03 a.m.

    I disagree that Utah is not trying to get the right combination of players. That they have not yet made a significant move towards that end this year does not mean they are not trying. Having read and heard comments from so-called fans for years, I know that there will be complaint regardless of what the Jazz do. Indeed, some individuals will be angry about anything they do.

    This is not to say that I don't want the Jazz to win a title. I simply realize that it is a difficult goal, and that, like any business, will make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of its goals, and that those decisions may even prove to be wrong, in hindsight, or at least not the best possible.

    I'm not trying to make excuses for the Jazz. I'm just trying to point out that running such an organization is more difficult than critiquing from the sidelines like so many fans do.

  • Jazz Cop
    July 12, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    No boozer trade means no matching millsap offer. No way the jazz should match if they can't make a trade first. I love paul, and everything, but he's too undersized to ever be great, besides, the jazz are better when booz plays and millsap backs up, koufus can back up. Booz might play up to an allstar level for a new contract. Trade ak for mcgrady

  • louisiana jazz man
    July 12, 2009 10:07 a.m.

    he went back to the bench alright but shouldnt have. he was in the game at the end when it counted tho boz was on the bench. same as it will be in portland alrige, not spelled right fire me, will be on the bench right before he is traded and millie starting. millsap 6.2 alrige wants 20 mil. worse than boz. why you think they signed millie?

  • Gretkzy
    July 12, 2009 10:20 a.m.

    time for the Jazz to be sold and move on to another state or country so college basketball can once again thrive in the great beehive state!!! the Jazz have no desire to win. the Jazz have a proven track record of that. they get marginal allstars on the roster, overpay once an allstar and done players, and now Millsap is going to be overpaid. Portland stinks! let them have him. get rid of Boozer or let him play the season out but play for the #1 pick next year. lose all of your games this year. it's the only way. you gotta know when to fold em, know when to hold em...like Kenny Rogers said. with the NY Knicks pick plus the Jazz' cellar dweller pick that means the potential for two first rounders that can really help Deron do something.

  • Millsap worth more than MLE
    July 12, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    I can not believe people are saying Millsap is only worth the MLE. Krover gets paid close to 5 million this season which is close to the MLE. Do these same people think Krover is more valuable than Millsap?

    Krover is a hit and miss player who should only be paid the league minium. Millsap has the potential to be a great player. The Jazz should bring in Malone who first turned the Jazz on to Millsap and pay Malone to help develop him.

  • Anonymous
    July 12, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    Miles

    Portland is trying to get better, without giving anything up. The Jazz will match - but this simply makes it almost impossible to for the Jazz to get something in return.

    For example the Jazz send Boozer to Chicago, they get back Tim thomas and Chicago finds a team under the cap (memphis, detroit, OK city) that will take Tryus Thomas without giving up anything. The Salary Millsap (with bonuses) with Thomas is only 2.5 million higher than Boozer - Then the Jazz have 3 years at 7 million

  • Anonymous
    July 12, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    Honestly, if i were Millsap, i'd bounce. Not such a bad thing if the Jazz keep Boozer, trade AK for TMac, and have 2 lottery picks and LOADS of cap space for next season. I'm ready to be patient. Heck, I have been thus far. What's another year before a true opportunity to be a champion arises???

  • Kevin in the Terrace
    July 12, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    Look, here is what you do, let Millsap go, he is good but not that kind of money good. Make AK your back up PF, rotate Kouf, Okur, Fes in the 5 and 4 spot and you won't even miss Millsap.

  • Wrong Game
    July 12, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    The Blazers are playing chess while the Jazz & KOC is playing checkers, and the Jazz got just what they deserved by not locking up Millsap. KOC should be sent packing.

  • broaden the sweep
    July 12, 2009 11:33 a.m.

    I don't understand how this is an "either/or" scenario. If the Jazz are going to pay the kind of money it will take to retain Paul, I am sure they are looking at what they can get for similar or slightly more money. For example.. Odom, who is a little erratic about always mentally showing up for games, but massively talented, and great at attacking the rim.. which is a major deficiency in the current Jazz players. Boozer will either play or he won't. History suggests he'll dog it for yet another season.
    I was against trading him for Hamilton, but now I'm not so sure.

  • ed in az
    July 12, 2009 11:43 a.m.

    The Milsap contract was described as "toxic" by the Portland management. As much as I like Paul, and would like him to stay in SLC, I have to say that the contract is much more toxic to Portland than to Jazz. Paul would be crazy to turn down the money, and will have a decent run in Portland. Jazz have to focus, right now, on bringing another franchise player to the team.. Carlos has shown he does not want or deserve that role. Stockton to Malone is more than a phrase.. It shows that you need at least two franchise players to be a serious contender.. A roster of "very good" players and one star and you have the Hornets...

  • Good riddance...
    July 12, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    If any player leaves our great city, I say good riddance. If they dont realize what a great place salt lake is then I dont want them here.

  • Dharmabum
    July 12, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    I think the reason Portland made a run for Millsap is that he is still available and not locked up already. I think that this is probably option 3 or 4 for Portland in the off season. NY made it clear they would match any offer for Lee. Portland lost Hedo - hurray for small markets like Portland & SLC - so that fell through.The Chicago, Utah and Portland deal where it seemed no one really even tried, thusly leading to this offer. Portland has cap space THIS year only. Utah is in luxury tax territory. Millsap is a great back-up who will help Portland's bench, why not try and land him, and put the money on the front end when you are $8 or 9 million below the salary cap???

    And if you want to blame anyone, blame Boozer, for not having the guts to bail like he said back in the spring - weak.

  • Xente
    July 12, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    I love Sap and think he's still got a high ceiling. He'll work to hit it too. But, I think he is replaceable. Booze will have a great year. Either way the Jazz go is not bad. However, are we going to win a championship this year with one or the other or even both? NO! Rebuilding time baby.

    Let Sap walk, trade Booze and AK to Houston for TMac's crappy expiring contract, Landry or Scola, and a first round pick. Develop Koufos and let Memo play the 4. Let the team be scrappy and entertaining while losing and keep our pick in the lotto. If we're good, we'll lose our pick to Philly.

    Next year, 2 picks in the lottery and possibly a good 3rd pick from the trade. 3 first round picks and a lot of money to throw at Wade, Joe Johnson, Bosh, etc. We'd be good in 2010 and for years after that.

  • arch
    July 12, 2009 1:46 p.m.

    Sound like millsap was in it for the money. See ya milsap sitting on the bench in portland when you could have been a starter in utah

  • Portland fan
    July 12, 2009 1:53 p.m.

    This is a lousy situation for you guys. You must just HATE Boozer now! So....are you all going to boo him on opening night? He has just done everything he can to hurt your team. What a double-crosser.

    I wouldn't blame your management if they don't match this offer.

    Not to be a total jerk, but I think Portland should make a tiny offer to Brevin Knight, too.

  • Portland fan again
    July 12, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    There's not much underhanded about this. BOOZER is the one holding you random. Portland signed Millsap to an offer - Millsap signed on the dotted line - because we want him.

    Calling us bullies and underhanded - really? We suffered for YEARS with awful teams because we overpaid some shady guys. Now you're dealing with that. It was our mistake then (Randolph, Darius Miles) and its your management's fault now (though they must feel really double-crossed by Boozer and I don't blame them).

    The only way it's underhanded is if Portland doesn't really want Millsap. In that case, this would be leverage to force Utah to agree to Portland's terms in a 3-way trade to unload Boozer. (My guess is Utah had a chance BEFORE the signing, if this is the case, and tried to call Portland's bluff.) If Portland is happy to do that but ALSO happy to have Millsap, then sorry, it's not underhanded.

    Certainly not more underhanded than Utah's original acquisition of Boozer, ironically. A little karma maybe.

  • Doesn't matter
    July 12, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    Doesn't matter if it was underhanded or not.. Pritchard hasn't shown himself, yet, to be that canny a gamer. Over paying players just because you have the money results in teams like the much feared Isaiah Thomas Knicks. Paul Allen isn't a billionaire because he's stupid. Sooner or later Pritchard will have to show real results..not just high profile but meaningless moves

    It doesn't make a lot of difference if you have a whole busload of quality role players unless you also have a couple of legitimate franchise players to lead the way. Right now, Portland is already in a much better competitive position than the Jazz.. Assuming you can get your talented players on the same page with management and coaches. ed in az

  • ed in az
    July 12, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    Oh, and the Jazz did nothing underhanded in signing Carlos in the first place. The Cav's allegedly asked him to do something that was clearly against league rules and against his own self interest.. Just so he could stay with LeBron.. Surprise! He signed with Utah for a few tens of $Millions more than the potential Cavs offer.. There is no one who says that the Jazz knew anything about a WINKY WINKY arrangement between the Cavs and Carlos...

    If it actually ever happened, it speaks to Carlos character, and not to the Jazz breaking or bending any league rules. He may have broken his word, but we'll never know.

    Karma has yet to play a punitive role for Carlos or the Jazz

  • Jake
    July 12, 2009 3:09 p.m.

    The Millsap deal is probably about right, of course the Jazz could have offered him earlier instead of allowing him to play for such a disgraceful (under $800k) pay compared to other players in the league. I'd be feeling very little love from the Jazz too if I were Millsap, but the bottom line is he's a talent worth having for sure. Also if we look back to our 12 wins in a row, as Boozer came back watch his numbers go up and Millsap's numbers go down, yet the loss's started piling up with Boozer back. It's an easy and clear decision to move Booz. The upside to this is if we can make a move with Chicago for Tyrus Thomas, we are into Milsap and Thomas for about the same money as Boozer, which means we get offense and defense that far out ways Boozer.

  • jake
    July 12, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    However I think some of the key problems start from the top.. Sloan is a good 45-55 wins per season coach, but it takes 60+ to really show you are ready for a finals. Look what Adelman did to Houston this last year without t-mac. Watch what happens to Artest this year after being coached by Jackson, Jackson knows how to get into players heads and get them thinking the right way. Next, stats only show a portion of a players abilities, which if you see what Milsap has been able to do, he fills the shoes of Boozer easy, and also is a teammate you want with his workhorse approach vs Boozer's half effort.

  • jake
    July 12, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    Part 3
    Look at Boozer in the Olympics... every time he was on the court it hurt the team and showed how much better talent there is in players like Bosh and Wade... We need D-Will to go to work in recruiting Wade and Bosh, move Boozer the cancer, trade AK for Tmac to clear having to pay AK 17 mill next year, then we have options, resign TMAC on an affordable contract if he does well, or take that 23 million plus Hapring's 6.5 mill, and go after Bosh and Wade!!! Deron, Bosh and Wade gets us a ring for sure!!!

    We won't be able to change the stgma of this market without getting some big names and thats what it's going to take to get rings.

  • jake
    July 12, 2009 3:15 p.m.

    Part 4
    Look at Boozer in the Olympics... every time he was on the court it hurt the team and showed how much better talent there is in players like Bosh and Wade... We need D-Will to go to work in recruiting Wade and Bosh, move Boozer the cancer, trade AK for Tmac to clear having to pay AK 17 mill next year, then we have options, resign TMAC on an affordable contract if he does well, or take that 23 million plus Hapring's 6.5 mill, and go after Bosh and Wade!!! Deron, Bosh and Wade gets us a ring for sure!!!

    We won't be able to change the stgma of this market without getting some big names and thats what it's going to take to get rings.

  • Miles
    July 12, 2009 3:27 p.m.

    OK dreamers, we are not going to get Bosh or Wade unless we do a sign and trade for them this year with Boozer. As free agents they are not going to come here and play. Tmac has not proven to anyone that he will even be able to play in the future. He might be done. The best thing the Jazz can do is play out the season and free up as much money as possible while the youngsters on the team get experience. If Jerry could develop CJ, Brewer and Koufus and even Fez into being better players then we could use Boozers, Millsaps, Harprings and Korvers money to fill in the gaps for 2010. We wouldn't have to rebuild from scratch but for one year. Save the money now, pay for better players next year. Keep Boozer for the year. Let Millsap walk, retire Harpring and keep Korver for the year. Who cares what our record is this year, we are not going to win the championship.

  • Cody
    July 12, 2009 3:42 p.m.

    You have to Match Millsap. After this year, he gets 6 to 7 Mil a year and that frees up money for a shooting 2 or 3. We're going to loose Boozer anyway and besides, he wants more than $12,700 per year. Look at what other players are making and you'll see Paul's worth it. AK's contract will be off the books after next year and the Jazz will reload.

  • SJ
    July 12, 2009 3:47 p.m.

    Too many idiot fans posting that the offer is too much. I thought the same way until I read the details. Remove the signing bonus and the contract IS the 6 million mid-level range. The Jazz need to match the deal, trade Boozer for two other mid-level players, and rotate Millsap, Okur, AK, and Koufas at PF depending on the opposing line-up. The Jazz should consider the bonus back pay for getting Millsap at a bargain the past 3 years.

  • inthewilds
    July 12, 2009 4:15 p.m.

    the jazz will pay 20.6 mil. with the luxury tax. they have to unload boozer in a lopsided deal, and the only team left under the limit is OKC. they don't want boozer. any other trade and the jazz still pay the tax.

    Miles.

    the blazers finished with 54 wins the second best record in the west tied with the nuggets and spurs.
    they were the forth seed due to the tie breaker. thier also the second youngest team in the league, and with milsap, well lets let the chips fall as they may.

    good luck SLC

  • Stupid Management?
    July 12, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    What is the point of saying you will match any offer for someone you want to keep. It just encourages a team (IE Portland) to try to figure out a contract that is to painful to match. It did not work the last time they tried it (Mo Williams). They kept their mouths shut with CJ and he got a reasonable offer which they matched.

    It seems the Jazz Management either are stupid if they really wanted Millsap back or if they did not then they were trying to get someone to overpay.

    I do not get the strategy here??

  • Todorojo
    July 12, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    The loss of this young man is going to come back to haunt the Jazz. Boozer doesn't even want to be here. Sure, he says he does when other teams pass him over because he's a classic hold-out type of player. But Millsap is the sort of role player every team would love to have. Jazz have another non-championship round year ahead of them and many more to look forward to after that. Sad.

  • RE: Blazer Fan Predictions
    July 12, 2009 4:50 p.m.

    You can have Milsap and the contract that goes with it. We're not going to pay him 10 times what we paid him last year and pay him $20 million in effective cost next year. As for your predictions they are accurate until the Suns and Rockets are shown above the Jazz. They are both rebuilding and have lost key players (Shaq and Yao) The Jazz will be in the playoffs next year and have a chance to win it all with Boozer, if he sticks it out for the year.

  • blazerfan
    July 12, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    Correction as far as standings,, if u take a close look,, blazers finished tied for second place in the western conference, Utah finished 8th.

  • bla, bla ,bla
    July 12, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    Suck to let go Paul from the Team, He is a lot better than CJ Miles, also Kirilenko doesnt deserve the giant paycheck just being a "backup" player, what's wrong with the organization?????!!!!!!
    Please keep the good ones, AK 47 is over, he is not the all star we have years ago, Boozer...he is just a basketball pimp and CJ...go back to highschool!!!

  • matt
    July 12, 2009 5:48 p.m.

    just say no to millsap. i love paul but for not the money. if you are going to pay 10 mil then at least try and get odom or try to get lee for 7. keep booz/williams/okur long term

  • Miles
    July 12, 2009 5:59 p.m.

    Inthewilds....Thanks.....My point is the Blazers did not sign Millsap to stick it to the Jazz. They signed him to get better and compete with the Lakers, Spurs and Nuggets. We are not the ones to beat out west. I still believe that for luxury tax issues we trade Boozer and let Millsap walk. Bottom line is Boozer didn't keep his word and now we are going to lose both PF's. In the long run, I believe it's the best thing that could happen to the Jazz as AK's contract is gone in 2011. Just play Koufus, Fez and AK at the 4 and tell Jerry to change his offense. Or let Memo and Dwill play the pick and roll and everyone else stand around.

  • Jake
    July 12, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    Bosh has already expressed interest in playing with Wade, and walked off the court with D-will after the game in Toronto, also playing with D-will in the Olympics, so it's without doubt something possible, especially when D-wade has expressed that money isn't his biggest concern, winning is. And since neither team would part with Bosh or Wade in a trade that's a joke to even mention it. The only way those players become available is on their terms, meaning after their contracts are up and they choose to go to a team they feel will get them a ring. As far as TMAC, (Miles) your right he may be done, really it doesn't matter who we trade AK to just as long as it's expiring contracts to make room for some new big players next year. The Jazz need to rebuild for sure they can't compete unless they get a ton better the moves other teams have made... I think D-will has more pull then many people think, Lebron won't leave Cleveland so what other all stars would they want to pair with? Utah's a good choice.

  • Carseman23
    July 12, 2009 7:20 p.m.

    I think that the reason that portland wanted Milsap because he is good and avalable. I think that they should get boozer back to Cleveland, and then sign milsap back to the Jazz and Everyone would be happy:) un less Boozer can really show that he wants to stay w/ the Jazz in this season.

  • to blazer fan
    July 12, 2009 7:29 p.m.

    I'm glad you're so excited about possibly signing Milsap and finishing your predicted 3rd in the conference. No one will beat LA so you'll be out in the first or second round....if thats something to be excited about then good for you!!!!

    oh and Greg Oden a BUST!!!!!!

    Didn't Portand draft Sam Bowie before Jordan!!!!

  • TNJAZZFAN
    July 12, 2009 8:04 p.m.

    BROTHER!!!! I believe that some of the people that post on here have no concept of the game of basketball.

    Just because you pay AK too much doesn't mean you overspend again. Quit complaining about his contract..it's done...history..finished!!

    Milsaps has great energy and is a very strong rebounder for his size. He is a below average defender, has below average jumpshot and cannot create his own shot off the bounce.

    I have been a jazz fan for 20 years believe me when I say Milsap is a product of system. Remember Shandon Anderson..Byron Russell..Deshawn Stevenson..to name a few. All thought they would find success somewhere else..all were wrong. Antoine Carr, Danny Manning, Donyell Marshall, Calbert Chaney had good solid years playing in jazz system.

    Wish Milsap the best but he will never be more than a role player in the NBA. He needs to find out what his agent is smoking because Portland only targeted him after they were rejected by 3 other players.

    I too hope they find a way to move Boozer. I find it very difficult to watch him play. Go Jazz!!

  • pdxfy
    July 12, 2009 8:29 p.m.

    TNJAZZFAN- Besides Turkoglu who was Portland rejected by?

  • Portland fan
    July 12, 2009 8:33 p.m.

    BTW don't confuse me with the more confrontational "Blazers fan."

    What THREE players did Portland target first???

  • Blazersfan
    July 12, 2009 8:54 p.m.

    PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS only want to better themselves and not giving up anything by offering Milsap a contract. They don't want Odom because he is not right fit. They needs a PG or PF who can defend (Milsap). By offering contract to Milsap they will accomplish one of their goals without giving up anything.

    1) If Utah decides to match the offer keeping Milsap, Utah has to trade Boozer. One possibility (maybe the only one)to trade Boozer is to Chicago and that will gives Trail Blazer Kirk Hinrich, a PG.

    2) If Utah decides not to match the Trail Blazers will get Milsap.

    So no matter what Utah does, the Trail Blazers will get what they want. Are they bully? Stand up to them, match the offer.

    It is a smart move, the Jazz only have themselves to blame for. The Trail Blazers simply takes advantage of the Utah's cap situation.

    Now Utah only has only one decision to make Milsap or Boozer, either way the Trail Blazers will have the player they want all along.


  • BLAZERS FAN
    July 12, 2009 8:59 p.m.

    What's funny, is all the Smack Talking that I have heard from Jazz fans over the years; about how much better Utah is than Portland. This puts a nail in that coffin. Portland will win the NBA Championship next year, GUARANTEED!

  • OrlandoJazzFan
    July 12, 2009 9:17 p.m.

    How about instead of matching the "Toxic offer" by the Blazers.. the Jazz put in their own "Toxic offer" for Lamar O or the Lakers. The Lakers are only offering around 5-6 mil which is the same contract as Paul's w/Portland. Lamar is three times the player as Millsap.. Something to at least consider.

  • Appreciate
    July 12, 2009 11:03 p.m.

    I appreciate what Paul did for the Jazz and his work ethic. It was refreshing to see. Were we watching someone intelligent enough to know that was the way to the big ticket or is that really who he is? Once the big money comes, we'll find out, whether he's in a Jazz or Blazer uniform.

    Looking at the dollars, I don't see how the Jazz can take the hit. Long term it will only force their hand on future deals. I'd hate to lose out on players in the future because of something they do to fix a small problem.

    I dislike Boozer even more for sticking the Jazz for one more season. He absolutely needs to put up All-Star numbers, and perhaps he will with a new contract looming.

    Perhaps the team can learn to set contracts so they don't expire at the same time, if that is even possible.

  • The worst thing that could
    July 12, 2009 11:29 p.m.

    happen is for Utah to match this deal and keep Millsap. If they do they will swallow a poison pill this season. They will also be in the Lux tax for the next 2 years. That means they will not be getting good deals on great talent.

    They will be stuck with an undersized PF who can rebound but who can't create his own shot, will not draw a double team and defends slightly better than Boozer.

    Is that worth 2 years of lux tax and 5 years of mediocre results?

    Let Millsap go to POR! Make a 2 year offer to Lee. If he does not take it get Gooden or another vet for 1 year. If all else fails trade Harp's expiring contract for a young promising PF. Harp will get released and come back.

    Sometime this year trade Boozer for the PF of the future and also get a shooting SG thrown in.

    That really helps the team. If the Jazz get the right SG they can let Korver go to save cap space and Harp if not already used.

    Go get the talent that is needed. The next 2 years are great opportunities.

  • Millsap's agents
    July 13, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    There are some agents that certain teams refuse to deal with. Most agents have working relationships with most teams. It is a two way street that works for everyone involved.

    Millsap's agents do not understand relationship marketing. They are sending clear signals that they are clowns. They had nothing to do with Millsap getting this offer. In the long run the Prichards of this world will deal with them and take their fingers. While the decent organizations will avoid them.

  • please
    July 13, 2009 12:35 a.m.

    do not sign paul.

  • Anonymous
    July 13, 2009 1:09 a.m.

    If signing Milsap means keeping Williams happy. it's absolutely worth it.

  • Apollo Sun
    July 13, 2009 5:31 a.m.

    I wish the Jazz management read some of these posts and took the fans view into account. Clearly the general consensus is that as much as we (Jazz fans) all liked and appreciated Paul Millsap's effort as backup to Boozer... we also have the intelligence and Bball knowledge to realize that he is not worth the crazy money being offered by our rivals Portland. As many have already said Portland made this offer to put the Jazz in a difficult position and force them over the luxury-tax to please their fans.

    WELL CALL THEIR BLUFF! Let them have their backup for all-star salary. Turn the tables. Shame to lose Paul, but not worth financially crippling the Jazz for years to come. We all know the right move here:

    LET MILLSAP GO. PATIENTLY LOOK FOR TRADE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOOZER THAT MAKE LONGTERM SENSE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, PLAY OUR EXISTING PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER THAT WILL BE AROUND FOR YEARS TO COME! GIVE KOUFOS, BREWER AND CJ THE CHANCE TO DEVELOP. START AK AND TRY AND GIVE HIM HIS CONFIDENCE BACK.
    WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE HAVE A BAD SEASON, GET TWO LOTTERY PICKS AND SALARY SPACE NEXT SEASON

  • ed in az
    July 13, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    It's been posted elsewhere in this thread, but remember that Paul got paid around $800K doing Carlos job for him this season while Carlos sat in the Armani shade cheering him on getting his $12 mill.. If you average Paul's first 3 years at 800K with the next three years at 10 million... average is..what 5.4millions... High, but not an extravagant amount for what he's contributed and can in the future. Basketball, unfortunately is not a sentimental or very fair business.

  • jumpinjax
    July 13, 2009 2:06 p.m.

    people please use your brains!!!!! the contract for Milsap is not to much. Look at the money players make that are somewhat equal to him. Ariza,Mcdyess,come to mind but there is a bunch more.Besides if korver is worth 5 million then milsap is adleast worth a couple million more.Or has everyone forgot the last game of the year and milsaps 12 or 14 pts. in a row.Where was Boozer? oh ya, thats right, on the bench for the whole 4th quarter while Price and Milsap almost brought us back. To bad the Jazz arent smart enough to offer him a deal first,They could of made it back heavy instead of front!!!!!!!!! Then if you knew this might happen how about drafting Dejuan Blair to fill the need. A backup pg after how Price finished the season? unbelievable!!!!

  • Do or do not
    July 13, 2009 3:00 p.m.

    "But bullies the Blazers are trying to be."

    Thanks, Yoda.

  • TNJAZZFAN
    July 13, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    3 players that blazers coveted much more than Milsaps are Odom, Lee and of course Turk. So for Paul's agent to be out there telling everyone how Portland targeted him is a bunch of bull.

    The only player in recent memory that Jazz should have kept is Williams. Jazz made right decision concerning rest. So if they let Milsap go I have to assume they do not see him as power forward of future as so many of you do.

    He truly is a scrappy guy but he lacks the quickness to guard small forwards away from basket and he just doesn't have the size to slow down the good pf's in the league. Namely Gasol, Duncan, Amare, Dirk, Garnett, Howard to name a few.

  • SoCal
    July 13, 2009 6:12 p.m.

    I live on Socal. ESPN radio reported down here, that the Jazz have told Milsap that they (The Jazz)have matched Portalnds offer. ESPN isn't always correct, but the do seem to know things before anyone else.

  • Jazzfann11
    July 14, 2009 12:14 a.m.

    I think I speak for every jazz fan when i say, i just want the jazz to do something. There has been tons of talk of them doing something, and they have been trying to make a move, but until they actually do something, and make a move i will be upset. If the jazz waiting and not actually doing something then there will be nothing left for them to do, cuz all the free agents will be gone, and all the teams that have cap (detriot, NY, Portland, OKC) won't have any more cap so we wouldn't be able to dish off boozer. So just do something jazz! please! and do it quick before there is nothing more to do!

  • Milsap too expensive
    July 14, 2009 9:36 a.m.

    Milsap is a double double guy only because of the structured system the Jazz use. The Jazz should let him go and he will soon find out he is not worth 36M....no way. Reconcile with Boozer and give one time all-star AK the ball more so he can show us some skill with the 16M in compensation. The shots need to go more to D-will and AK and forget about Milsap. Create space for the following year to even possibly resign Boozer or a better player.

  • Blaze the Blazers
    July 14, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    The Blazers are just trying to tie us down fo the future! Millsap is good because he is in this system. I want to keep him here, but I honestly wouldn't mind letting him go and forcing Portland to pay him while he sits on the bench and does nothing for them! PROFESSOR: Are you Kidding? Did a Portland fan really just say that? this might be a news flash for you but...even if SLC isn't the hottest NBA city...Portland draws even less starpower... the sole reason you have any quality players is because you were so bad for so long that you got a bunch of good draft picks that have panned out OK for you. Portland is about as attractive to NBA players as a fat chick with a mustache is to Brad Pitt! But keep dreaming bro....keep dreaming! GO JAZZ!

  • no one is worth it
    July 14, 2009 12:13 p.m.

    Lets get this stright........no one absoultly no one is worth this kind of money. I wont care if he is gone, nor do I care if the jazz ever wina title, not if it costs this kind of money.

    Boozer can go right along with Millsap. The Jazz should put a team on the floor that wants to play, have fun and love the game. Go away cry babies. The rest of us are having financial issues in these times. People that play games for a living should suffer along with the rest of us.

  • Paul, Fire Your Agent!
    July 14, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    Hiring your Uncle as your Agent is about the WORST choice ever. He almost ruined any chance Paul had at getting a contract demanding more than $10Mil, gets lucky when Portland tries to stick it to the Jazz for spite otherwise Paul is looking at mid level exception money. Then, with the Jazz supporting Paul and singing his praise his entire career, his agent bad talks the Jazz organization and Utah to offend the fans & organization that WAS likely to match an overpriced contract and make Paul the Long Term STARTER, not bench player!

    PAUL, NEVER HIRE FAMILY! FIRE THIS CLOWN! He obviously has no experience as an agent and even if he did, he can not separate good business and over zealous family support!

  • Travis
    July 14, 2009 1:51 p.m.

    DON'T MATCH. The Jazz are not considering their options carefully if they match. I know we love Milsap, and he is awesome, but he's not $10-million-right-now awesome. There are other guys on the market that can give you what Milsap gives at a much lower cost. Why don't the Jazz make a push for Odom, spend less money, and actually have some length on defense?

  • we need paul
    July 14, 2009 6:40 p.m.

    ah heck no, i know you guys don't seriously mean that. you guys can seriously tell me that letting paul milsap go is a good decision. so let me get this straight, first we chase booz out, and now pauls leaving, and now your sitting back and saying, "don't spend the money, hes not worth it." wow, this is why you guys don't run the jazz, thank goodness we have o'conner

  • Overpaid?
    July 16, 2009 1:01 p.m.

    Give me a break. You've got a team that pays Andrei Kirilenko as much as Lebron James and pays Carlos Boozer 12 million per year and some fans are calling Millsap overpaid? Paul Millsap is probably wondering why he worked his butt off but his team might not pay what the market will bear. Why? Because the Jazz overpaid other guys while Paul was still in college. What were Boozer's numbers in Cleveland? About the same as Millsap's now. Millsap's getting much less than what Boozer got, and the contract is only for 4 years. What's more, you know Millsap plays well in the Jazz system--we didn't know that with Boozer. If this is a rip-off, it's no where near the kind of rip-off that Boozer and AK were.

    How about we admit all NBA players are overpaid? Sign 12 scrubs to the league minimum so the Jazz can go 0-82 while we all cheer on the Miller family bank account! That's something to root for!? Thankfully the Millers don't run their team that way.

  • Fact!
    July 16, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    Milsap was drafted in the 2nd round and therefore recieved a minimum rookie salary in the neighborhood of 3/4 mil per season for 3 years. The guy worked his butt off and made a contribution his 2nd & 3rd years to the success of this team. He has been drastically underpaid for 2 years now, I believe it's time he was rewarded with a decent contract that is front loaded just to pay him back for the 2 years he was underpaid, and then after that you only have a contract that is basically 20 mil for 3 years, and that isn't over paying for his value. Bite the bullet Jazz your still not over extended with Paul. Bye, bye Booze. Go Jazz!

  • On Second Thought...
    July 16, 2009 5:42 p.m.

    I was one of those who that the Millsap offer was way to much, but you have to admit the guy played way outside his contract and elevated his game each year instead of whining about more pay and down shifting as a protest. He's earned his signing bonus and midlevel pay. Ship off Boozer and make this happen!