DO IT!!! Thomas is a genetic freak. He is a huge upgrade defensively and would
produce here. His offense is up and down but he is only going into his 4th year.
If he puts it all together watch out. The upside on this kid is unreal.
Great, trade one malcontent for another. Sloan will Kill Thomas...
If that is all we get for Boozer, keep him and let him walk at the end of the
season. Thomas has been a complete disappointment since leaving college early.
Athletic but not a well rounded basketball player. I hope Kevin comes to his
Hey I want the truth. The media never seems to have any of it. Just more rumors.
Hey Miles here is the trade. The Jazz send Boozer for Thomas and cap space. I
think the Jazz can find a better trade. Do a block buster not a sleeper KOC
It would be safe to say that the Jazz organization is tired of Boozer's dance.
I would appear that he will never put on a Jazz uniform again. It scares me
that if Boozer is gone that we will way overpay Millsap to keep him around.
The Jazz would only do this to get under the cap. I guess you do what you gotta
do, but I think they could do better than this. Just glad to know they're gonna
dump Boozer. I just don't like watching the guy play basketball, or talk
Why would the jazz make a trade that would benefit a division rival? Why don't
we send boozer to chicago for heinrich and someone other than thomas and leave
portland out of the equation? Heinrich would be a much needed back up pg way
better than price and the rook.
Boozer will bring a lot to the Jazz this season if he stays. Fans need to let
things go. If Boozer stays this season and is gone after the season, then things
would probably work out better.
At least Thomas plays defense.
If the jazz trade boozer away and we keep paul we better be in the mix of
trading Ak for a scorer.. if we lose booz then i dont know who will do the
scoring? okur and D will cant do it all? come on jazz
makes sense for them. What is in this for the Jazz? Ty Thomas only makes 4+
mill. What else are the Jazz getting? Thomas is 6'9", soft, slight, so so on
defense and 11/7 or less. Do the Jazz really want him all that bad? If so why?
A.K., Booze & Miles to Chicago for Miller, Hindrich, & Thomas. Throw Maynor &
Suton in on the deal & or Price. Sign & trade Milsap to Portland, Portland sends
Outlaw to Sacramento, who sends Nocioni to Utah. sending Maynor, Suton, Price
and Harprings expiring contract in to make the deal go.
Are you serious Miles? Thomas is not a bust at all. He is up and down but with
Thomas and AK it would be very, very difficult for anyone to score in the paint
(our biggest weakness). He has a very, very high upside and still preforms
decently. Our team athleticism would go waaaaay up with Thomas on the team.
Well if this is true the Blazers sure get a great deal. Why is it that Portland
doesn't have to give up anyone? I don't like the trade for the reasons that we
aren't getting enough back. Tyrus Thomas is an athletic freak but he is a
tweener and doesn't have a defined position. Should have traded AK for T-Mac...
to resolve Millsap's contract first, one way or the other. Is this a
smoke screen by Prichard? or is the rumor about Millsap a smoke screen? POR
wants Hinrich. They don't really need Millsap. Boozer is worth a lot
more than Thomas and cap space. We need the PF of the future out of this trade
and that is probably not Thomas. Will the Jazz get a 8+ Mill credit
like DEN did on Camby? They can use that credit to trade for anyone they want
since it came from the Clips who were under the cap. Since this is a 3 way would
the Jazz get a credit they could use to get any player they want from any team?
Some of you are missing the point! Yes... the Jazz only get Thomas and his
measly $5 Million contract. They also avoid the luxury tax. They are just
hoping to dumping salary knowing that it's not the best deal in the world.
Hey Thomas Portland is giving up cap space for the Jazz. So another way to think
about it is Portland is giving the Jazz an over priced Paul Millsap. Slown will
put Thomas in the Dog POUnd in the first Month guaranteed.
are to get the CANCER (Boozer) out of the locker room; make cap space to keep
Millsap; and to get a defensive minded player.
Portland would need to give up another player to the Jazz to make this work. It
would probably end up being Boozer to the Bulls, Heinrich to the Blazers and
Thomas and either Blake or Outlaw to Utah. In order to make the money work. I
love this trade. Get rid of Boozer, save cap space, and get us one of the
things we need, an athletic shotblocker. The Jazz are doing this mainly for cap
space so that we can re-sign Milsap. Otherwise Portland may sign him to a
contract we can't match.
What Portland has to give up is a player and their cap space. They are
essentially giving the Jazz a player (not yet named) and signing Kirk Heinrich.
This takes their cap space so they cannot sign Milsap.
And if the Jazz don't retain Millsap, this trade allows them some money to go
get Drew Gooden or maybe even the great white hope from New York.
i would like to get more for Snoozie...However if this brings chemistry think
about Thomas size defense it would help the surrounding players, could help
Okur. We have enough offense. I like it if that means giving up salary do
it..Yes I would like more....But O Connor still has to not get "wet feet"
jazz get:john salmonstravis outlawtyrus thomasnicholas
batumbulls get:milesboozerblazers get:steve blake1st round pickit works, what you
think, we get more athletic, better shooters, better defender, and save money in
long run. then we get rid of kirilenko just for a terrible expiring contract
along with korver and harpring and we have much better small forwards and
salmons start at 2 and brewer w/ firepower off the bench
Portland gets Hinrich from Chicago and Fesenko from Utah.Chicago
gets Boozer from Utah and Steve Blake from Portland.Utah gets Tyrus
Thomas from Chicago and Joel Pryzbilla from Portland.Both Portland
and Chicago get the players they want. We get rid of a locker room cancer in
Boozer and a goofball in Fesenko. We add athleticism in Thomas and toughness and
shot blocking in Pryzbilla.Kevin O'Conner needs to snap this trade
up before Boozer is on the IL again with a hangnail.
What I like about the potential trade is you'd have to assume Portland will give
something up - we just don't know who it is yet. And I'd also have to assume
that the fourth player would go to us - after all, Chicago is already getting
the best and most expensive player of the deal.If so, it might be
someone like Martell Webster - another young guy with upside with solid (and
improving) defensive skills who can create his own shot. Rudy Fernandez might be
a bit more enticing, but that's probably not going to happen. Still, a potential
Thomas/Webster combo - plus the flexibility to re-sign Millsap - is a decent
haul for a player who we were going to lose next summer anyway.
Blake will give the jazz another needed 3 point threat, therefore helping Korver
The Jazz need a defensive presence and they need to get rid of Carlos Boozer and
his excessive price tag and his fragile body. Those of you who think the
Jazz will not be able to score with out Boozer- think back to the half of last
season C-Booz missed. Jazz still ranked near the top of the NBA in scoring.Reason for this is Millsap picked up the slack. Reason for this
trade is to bring Thomas, a good defensive, shot blocker to the team and to
offer the Blazers Heinrich, who they really want. This will hopefully turn them
away from Millsap and without anymore suiters the Jazz are going to get Millsap
back for a cheaper price tag then his rediculous uncle/agent is dreaming up.
THis is a great move. Thomas is great at defense and Millsap needs more playing
time. Last season, the Jazz were better when Boozer was riding the pine and
Millsap was starting!!
JAZZ NEED TO MOVE BOOZER, BECAUSE HE WILL WALK AT SEASON'S END AND THEY NEED TO
RESIGN MILLSAP WHO AS A STARTER AVERAGED 16/10. ALSO MILLSAP IS NOT INJURY PRONE
AND WILL PLAY DEFENSE. JAZZ NEED TO SHAKE UP THINGS, BECAUSE THEY WONT BEET THE
LAKERS OR SPURS BRINGING BACK THE SAME TEAM. ATLEAST WITH TYRUS THEY GET LONGER
AND MORE ATHLETIC, SOMETHING THEY HAVE STRUGGLES WITH WHEN PLAYING THE LAKERS.
Carlos Boozer is a scorer with no low post defense. the Jazz will find a way to
score. Ronnie brewer is getting better. I think what we need is defense. Tyrus
Thomas is extremely active and can block shot.
Boozer needs to pack his bags and go stink up another team. He is by far one of
the softest defenders for his position in the league. tyrus thomas would be a
great asset to the Jazz due to his ability to block multiple shots per game and
his uptempo play would ignite Williams and this season would be the one to watch
if the trade went through. this way we could keep Millsap and have some
flexibility to maybe work in the free agent market to pick up some key role
players to support our beloved D-Will. COME ON JAZZ MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND
RELIEVE EVERY JAZZ FAN OF THE WOES OF HAVING BOOZER. ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENT
NEEDS TO GOOGLE THE POLL ESPN DID ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE WERE HAPPY BOOZER OPTED
IN HIS LAST YEAR IN UTAH. OVER 70% WERE UNHAPPY AND WNATED HIM GONE. KEVIN
O'CONNOR MAKE IT HAPPEN AND DO LHM PROUD!!!!!!!!!!!
PS THOMAS AVERAGED ABOUT 20 POINTS PER GAME AND JUST UNDER 10 REBOUNDS AT THE
LAST HALF OF THE SEASON! DO THE DEALAND MAKE IT HAPPEN KEVIN O'CONNOR! GREG DO
YOUR DAD PROUD AND GET SOME EXCITEMENT AND HARD WORKING PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY
WANT TO PLAY LIKE THOMAS. LET BOOZER BE A BABY AND CONTINUE TO BE A DISHONEST
Tyrus Thomas is a freak athlete...the area above the shoulders is his biggest
weakness. He has a low basketball IQ and according to Chicago writer Sam Smith,
has one of the worst dispositions of any young athlete he has covered. Thomas is long, quick, a good jumper but is relatively weak (Milsap handled
him like a ragdoll in their matchups and will struggle is Sloan's system. Kirk Hinrich is the player the Jazz covet..and if Chicago really wants
Boozer, trade Booze for Thomas and Hinrich. A trade I would like is
Boozer, CJ for James johnson, Kirk Hinrich and Thomas..
this is nice to hear, at least we know that the Jazz are really trying their
best to trade Boozer, I just hope that the teams involved will be cooperative so
this trade will come to reality
Why doesn't the Deseret News do any original reporting on this? It's like they
can't do anything except read ESPN.com and tell us what it says. Hey, I know
how to read ESPN.com - the local paper should add some value.
Make it happen! I love the trade
John and Hans had this story all morning long on 1280 The Zone from 6-10 AM,
thanks for "breaking" the story ESPN.....
THIS IS IT !!! This deal will surely help the Jazz beat the Lakers in the years
to come.Yeah... Riiigghhttt.Jazz fans are always good for a laugh.
No matter what, boozer will only be here for another year the most.Thomas is not consistent, but his numbers are not bad last season: 10.8 pt,
6.4 reb, 1.9 blks per game for 27 min a game when he is not the major player in
the Bulls team. And he was making only 3.7M last year. Boozer: 16.2 pt, 10.4
reb, 0.19 nlks (ouch) per game with 32 min and making 12M this year. Boozer
played 37 games and Thomas played 79 games last season.If I am KOC,
I will take this deal for sure. Remember, with the salary cap problems and the
risk of Boozer just sit for his last season in Utah, it will be a good deal for
Jazz. I am GoodGuyGary, and I approve this deal.
saying this deal is mostly smoke. It does not make much sense based on the
current details. Boozer is worth a lot more than this. Utah is slow and
conservative but they are not dumb like MEM.POR is not parting with
Blake.The Jazz are not desperate for cap space. You have been brain
washed by years of L Miller. Greg can handle the lux to get the right team in
place. He wants to win. Don't give resources away just to get under
the tax. The Jazz can afford and have to afford to get the right players. Stop worrying about the cap. They have months to fix the cap. Make a trade when you can get the right deal for the right players. You don't
have to do a deal for the sake of a deal. DAL is still dealing and
doing a great job of it. They will get an SG next. They will rival
SA when done. Utah has to be very careful here or they will make
trades and be not better off.
let's make a deal chicago and portalnd. soounds almost too good to be true. i
forsee this not going through. the bulls wont part with thomas . del negro loves
him and sees the potential that he has. the bulls will be getting the shaft in
taking boozer. he is a waste of space and is only concerned with scoring and
being a baby with his papercut injuries. i see boozer's career headed downhill
in 2 to 3 years anyway. he is a offspring of shawn marion, without the defense
and skills. so basically his mentality is that of a little leaguer or worse.
By doing this trade the Jazz are helping the Trailblazers the Most. Chicago and
Portland are the winners in this trade. For the last time Portland is not giving
up anything, but cap space for the Jazz. Another way to think about it is the
Jazz are trading Boozer for THOMAS AND MILLSAP TWO UNDER SIZED POWER FORWARDS.
Hold out for something better
Thomas is great shot blocker. I love his intensity and determination in every
game.I hope that other player will involve in the trade is Rudy Fernandez. He is
a great shooter and can be threat to other teams.
todd has the right idea, we trade Boozer to Chicago, Chicago gives Portland
Hinrich and us Tyrus Thomas, and Portland gives us Steve Blake. According to the
ESPN trade machine that would help us win 2 more wins and the Blazers would lose
5 more. I would be ok with anything that doesn't make us lose more games and
doesn't make POR better. And if it helps us win more and POR lose more we are
honestly, i don't give a rats about who the jazz get in return. just dump the
guy. boozer is a dweeb. however, he'll probably have his best season next year,
seeing as how its a contract year for him and all.
Trade CJ Miles and Boozer to Toronto for Chris Bosh. Then trade Okur to the
Hornets for Tyson Chandler. Those would be two great trades for the Jazz,
provided the Raptors and Hornets would be willing to deal. Boozer is soft on D,
Bosh plays both ends of the floor. Okur is another soft, offensive minded
player. The Jazz don't need a center who hangs out at the 3 point line. They
need a defensive minded center who will guard the paint area and can also put
the ball in the basket if called upon. Chandler would fill the need.
I hope I'm wrong, but I have this sinking feeling that a commitment to Millsap
is a commitment to cost effective mediocrity, for the foreseeable future. Not a
comment on Millsap, who is a good player, but on the financial decision-making
process. Are they committing to a cheap "competitive" team? It sure looks like
tell me if i am wrong idk for sure but if you are over the salary cap then you
have to take that much in money back. so we would have to take 12.7 back in
contracts some way so we would not get relief now. i say go for can't stand
You all are missing the point, what Portland is giving up is their ability to go
after Millsap. Oh, I forgot and a challenge from the Jazz on the court!
I don't understand how 6'9" is "Undersized" but 6'10 or 6'11 is fine. Millsap
beats out players that are a bit taller than him because he plays hard. An inch
or two isn't that much of a difference in my book.
koc must do this trade
We didn't have a problem scoring when Boozer was out half the season we had a
problem defending.We need someone that can defend.
O'Conner keeps his job and future decisions continue to give headaches to the
fans. We might as well have Bert and Ernie on this one.
someone comment on my trade on page 1, its the best!!! I WANT TO KNOW YOUR
Sounds to me like Portland in trying to bend the Jazz over backwards. Making KOC
take the lesser of evils. I'm not for getting pressured by anybody. Let em take
their best shot and we'll deal with it!
ANYONE SEE THAT OKUR GOT 2 YEAR EXTENSION? I DID!!!! GO TO ESPN!
What is all the noise about Milsap. He was beat down against the Lakers and
thats the team we have to beat. Don't get me wrong he is a hard and strong off
the bench ,but thats all. So why give him a huge deal, and up like AK? MAKE THE
TRADE,and dump AK get Kaman.
that would never happen, the bulls won't trade all those players plus why would
Portland give themselves Steve Blake
News Update: Boozer hurts himself walking from car to restuarant. Can't pass
physical and trade is voided. Out for season with broken toenail.
Nick that was the worst idea I have ever seen posted on this site. Why would
you give up CJ?
Fools, keep Boozer. He is in his final salary year and will probably have his
best year ever in his career so as to enhance his value next summer.
Thomas doesn't make sense. He's too similar to AK and Ronny Brewer in that he's
an athletic guy that can't shoot. If the jazz are going to trade Boozer they
better get a scorer. I would prefer somebody like John Salmons from Chicago in
this deal. Unfortunately, after losing Ben Gordan I'm sure Chicago won't want
to give him up. We don't want "upside". We have "upside" with CJ, and we've
all seen how that's turning out. If your going to trade Boozer, get a proven
player in return.
Sloan will tolerate Thomas about half way through the first practice and that'll
he is looking at all of his options including Millsap and is in no hurry. The
extention for Okur is mixed in my book. Okur improved his inside game. However,
in this economy he was replaceable. I think this signals that Boozer is going to
be moved. I am not sure how soon or for what. The Jazz are not
worried about the lux tax or they would not have signed Okur. If the Jazz are to
have any chance at all they have to have better defense at PF and that is not
Millsap. I was encouraged but now I am starting to doubt the wisdom
and ability of this management to produce anything more than a 6th seed. SA POR DAL are better. LA is about the same (Artest is a negative). DEN
is about the same but they have the trade exemption for 9 mill and can get
another great player. NO will fire sale before the end of this next season. HOU
and PHO are in trouble. The Jazz are delusional about continuity and
doing little to get better or even under the luxury tax. However, they will
probably be better than NO, HOU and PHO.
This 3 way trade all makes sense because the Jazz desperately want to keep
Millsap, get rid of Boozer, acquire a defender and shot blocker, and acquire
some cap relief.The Bulls have been looking for that low post scorer
for years, and the Blazers have long targeted Hinrich.Now, there
will have to be other players involved to satisfy league rules, but I could see
Martell Webster coming to Utah because the Jazz liked him coming out of high
school and the Blazers have a glut of players at the small forward/shooting
guard position.All in all, I like the basic proposed 3 way trade
between the above teams. The Jazz get rid of someone who has worn thin on the
organization and the fans; plus, they sign Millsap, and get some cap relief and
acquire a defender, shot blocker, and a developing offensive talent.
why not make a deal with NJ for Ryan Anderson and expiring contracts for Boozer.
Maybe get an decent SG thrown in also as Anderson is cheap. They need a PF and
have some young players who could really help the Jazz.Or maybe work
a deal with SAC for a big and releasable parts.The Jazz will never
be a contender until the get a top 5 defensive team and win on the road. Resigning Okur and Millsap will not do that. Losing Boozer loses offense
but also bad defense. Go get some young good aggressive players who
will play defense and score. Change the culture of this soft team. They never
play defense except in the last 8 minutes.Greg, KOC and Sloan have
to put together a team that fixes those two problems. They also need more
outside shooting and rebounding but defense and road attitude are the biggest
I like to read the post on here, but I think it is hilarious that some of you
are proposing all these trade where we unload someone we do not want and the
other team would give us a star like Bosh. Sweet dreams! What are you smoking
there in Utah?
I'm good with this trade if we can weasel Martell Webster or Rudy Fernandez out
of Portland as part of it. That would make this a good trade. Otherwise, I
fear we may be giving up too much and getting back too little. One of those two
would help me feel better about this one...
we'd still be too short to stop LA, Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland, Dallas,
Orlando, etc. etc!!! We tried playing with two short centers and two short
power forwards already -- it didn't work! why trade an incomplete player for
another incomplete player? i don't understand the talk of dumping boozer for
cap space. he's not the cap killer, it's AK!
I say do it, what do you have to lose. If it doesn't work, we all know what
eighth feel like. but if it does, then it will work out better for us. DO IT!
has signed a 2 year extension. There is much that can be inferred. 1. The Jazz are not worried about the cap.2. The do not seem to be
worried about Millsap or they would have signed him first. Signing Okur first
makes the Millsap negotiations more difficult. 3. They obviously
felt Okur is the C for the next 3 years. That may get him to a better economy.
He will be past his prime. 4. They do not think much of Koufos. The
C was the one position they had bigs who could cover if Okur left. 5. Sloan plans on coaching for 3 more years. Okur is Sloan's hand picked C and
Koufos and Suton have similar characteristics. The Jazz are committed to
unconventional Cs and the Sloan system. 6. The Jazz will never get
serious about defense. It will always just be talk and "fun and exciting".7. The Jazz are not serious about making the team better. They plan to
dump Boozer for cap relief and keep doing what they have been doing. 8. I am getting weary of this soap opera. The Jazz never change. They will
never be a contender.
I think the Jazz, or more properly the Larry H. Miller Group, are going into
survival mode for the rest of the recession. Signing reasonably good players to
relatively cheap contracts so that they will be a good enough team to compete
for the playoffs. Going for a championship requires great players, not merely
good cheap ones. Millsap and Okur fit that profile. Sad, but maybe this is
what it takes to keep the Jazz in Utah.
I can hardly wait to hear the crying and whining when fans in Jazzland finally
realise just what they've lost!!
Tyrus Thomas is AWESOME! I'll drop Booz for 2 blocks a game any day. I can't get
rid of him fast enough. Mixed on the Okur situation, it is nice to have a big
man that can step out and knock down a shot, but we would still need some bigger
tougher defense down low. I think we need to do this trade, resign Milsap, and
then pull Dikembe Mutombo out of retirement!
Re Okur:Disagree with #s 3,4,5,7 and 8.Don't
underestimate our guys. The ones on and off the court. ;-)
You thought AK was a lightweight? Thomas is the same height and even
lighter.I guess if you are trading to get rid of salary that will
work but other than that Thomas is a MASSIVE DOWNGRADE OF TALENT!!We
will go from a pretty good team to very average in a hurry without boozer on the
offensive end.The ultimate solution would have been to replace memo
with a big interior defender who could cover for boozers defenive ineptness.
Then you can defend enough and still have boozers offense. best of both
worlds.tyrus thomas--get ready to lose.....ALOT!!!
If Boozer plays this season in a Jazz uniform the Jazz cannot resign Millsap.
Millsap is right now playing better basketball than Boozer. The
whole point of this move is to give get cap space and some value in with boozer.
We don't want to take equal salaries. This allows the Jazz to resign Millsap,
7 million a year and we are a much better defensive team. Next move is trading
Miles. The radio, the fans just don't get it. Boozer and the Jazz
never met to talk contract extentions. The Jazz did not play Boozer the last
4th quarter in the game against LA. Boozer is gone.
It is just talk but since it was brought up: IF we can get Prizbilla & Fernandez
from POR and Thomas from CHI, POR gets Hinrich, CHI gets Boozer. Then get it in
writting ASAP. OKUR IS NOT A CENTER, put him at PF and play him like DAL uses
Dirk. (Try it on the ESPN trade machine; it works. Those 3 match boozers $
exactly) Make this happen then work a deal with GS that sends AK for Turiaf &
Maggette or send him to NO for Chandler. GS has wanted AK for a while. Either
one of these and we instantly are in the top 5 defensive area. And
for those worried about Thomas for Boozer; Boozer may average 20/10(when he
plays), but he gave up that to whoever he was guarding. He is a true null
player. I would take a guy that goes 11/7 with 2 steals and 2 blocks any day.
Thomas will make people question going to the paint, something we havent had
since AK lost his mind to those martians in Space Jam. HAHA Shawn Bradley,
Barkley & Ewing in the same group.
Tyrus Thomas is in the last year of his contract too so what is the point for
trading him for Boozer. You are going to have an expiring contract at the end of
the season no matter what.
Ricky Bobby - THE JAZZ DO NOT WANT TO TAKE BACK EQUAL SALARIES. They want to
resign Millsap. People need to stop looking at offensive stats. Millsap is the
better player - he plays better defenese.
Blazers get the unbalanced trade they seek while not signing Millsap away from
them. Jazz have to want PM much more than Booz because of chemistry issues and
the fact PM is much younger. I could see the Blazers trying to force a trade
with either Chicago for Hinrich or Prince from Detroit. If Portland
gives an offer sheet to PM in the next 48 hours, no trade is happening and the
Blazers are truly after Paul. If no offer sheet is extended... look for news of
a multi team trade involving Portland, Utah and another team/teams.
People just don't get it do they? Boozer needs to be traded. I don't care what
type of season he has next year. He is a cancer to this team. Remember how high
everyone was on the Jazz last year right up until Booz came back? And what
happened after that? Boozer can have a great year next year and the jazz still
aren't good enough to compete with the top teams, so get rid of this me-first/no
defense playing/constantly screaming for no apparent reason/injury prone while
we can. If he leaves after next year we get nothing in return but the same bad
taste in our mouths that Cleveland fans have. This trade would essentially be a
trade for Millsap, Thomas, and possibly a young wing from portland. I'll take
that for Boozer any day. Don't forget that we still have other players we can
move before deadline to complete team, Harpring's contract, Korver, and possibly
still AK. And Nick: That was a really awful trade proposal on the
Like it or not, the Jazz are in no position to bargain with Portland in keeping
Paul Millsap. Portland can pay him, and force the Jazz to pay an additional near
9 million in tax. The Jazz are already over the cap by 3 mil, so KOC and company
would be around 12 mil tax payers next year. That's something they
want no part of no matter how much you wish it were different. The
AK47 trade really hurt the Jazz cap. Booz will leave next year, and there will
be many teams under the cap. In that scenario, Utah gets no compensation. In the
Por/Chi deal they get roughly 8 mil in cap space and Tyrus Thomas. They also get
to keep Millsap. If you're thinking the Jazz will get Pryzbilla, Rudy, Outlaw or
anyone else, you're dreaming. Those players are too valuable, and Portland
doesn't have to give them up to make Utah's life miserable. This is a power play
by Portland. Either get involved in a sign and trade with us getting the player
we want, or lose the player you want, and Boozer next season for no
Jazz want Millsap fairly cheap ($6 Mil) without bidding up against Portland.
CHECKMillsap wants to start, not back up Boozer. CHECKBoozer wants
out of Utah and the fans and organization want Boozer out of Utah. CHECKThomas will be a very solid back up to Millsap and provide some good defense
in certain match ups. Being a 3rd year player, also has a LOT of Upside
potential. CHECKMOST IMPORTANTLY, This gets the Jazz down from the LUXURY
TAX! Seems like a Genius trade when nobody predicted that was possible!
Go Jazz! P.S. Jazz fans love Ronnie Price and the energy he brings, start
playing him more Sloan!
We need Boozer big time (Bulls) it's gonna be much stronger and smarter team
like never before, specially with Rose , i hope we get him. Go Bulls
Without Booz, the Jazz don't make the 8th seed at best. Worst case, lottery
I think the best trade would have been AK for Tmac, AK's defense is fine and
helps but the shots he throws up that rarely go in really hurt us offensively.
Tmac's defense wouldn't be as great as AK's, but I think his scoring ability
would more then make up for it, as long as he could share the ball.
Boozer's offense wasn't missed? Then maybe you can explain why the
Jazz dropped to the 8th rated offense in the NBA, down from 1st and 3rd over the
last 2 years when Boozer was healthy, even as Williams, Okur, Brewer, and
Millsap all had their best offensive seasons yet.
0f the 89 post 88 want LOOZER gone. With those results we have 1 fooooool and
LOCKE and his 1320 sheep who LOVE LOOZER. Those 1320 guys are so smart and
EVERYONE else, so stupid. LOOZER can score, when a smaller guy is
guarding him. But one block, one charge, one defensive stop, one defensive try
would be nice. LOOZER plays defense like he has 4 fouls. Not to memtion he's
This poor excuse of a man, a malcontent that is nothing more than me, me, me has
worn a Jazz uniform for the last time, thank god. Any trade that removes cancer
from a team is a GOOD trade. As for A.K. if Houston has interest in him I would
seriously consider anything they want even if they are in our same division.
Don't forget to throw Miles in on one of these deals either. I'm getting stoked
about a new look team. Go Jazz.
Shallow fans hold off the noise on Boozer. You know who you are. Jerry wants
him back and Jerry is the coach. you are white noiseKOC calls people
to save face and nothing more.Trade Boozer or Okur to LA for Odom
and make this season meaningful.
Getting Boozer off the books is the main goal here. It not only eliminates his
salary, it takes money off the luxury tax! We made it to the playoffs without
Boozer. He is a great scorer, but gives up 30 points a night in the paint. With
the defensive stiff Okur extending his contract, we really can't afford both of
these guys defending the basket. Millsap average 17 points and 17 rebounds
before seriously hurting his knee. He continued to play through it, giving us a
better well rounded option at the four. AK as bad as he has been was an all star
at the four for us. Much better than a three. So keeping Okur tells me we
really need interior help.Dump Boozer for cap space, and or anything
cheap to plug up the middle. Fez stinks, Almond stinks, Dump Matt he is way too
old, sign Price, should have played him more last season. Collins yuck, but
cheap! Play Kosta, Sign Millsap to 8-9 M five years. And get ready to be
bounced by all of the big teams, because this small market team, has been left
behind again. Any big shot blockers?
Does anyone remember how good we are with a healthy Boozer? O.K. so he said he
was going to opt out. He didn't! He's been injured. How is that a crime? He' not
Karl Malone. Nobody is. Karl get a pass for all the stupid comments he made, so
why is Carlos a pariah?. Is Thomas better than Boozer? We'll be sorry!!!
This is hilarious, so many of the same people that talk about defense is what is
needed for a ring are the same ones that suggest we keep Boozer and get rid of
Okur and AK. So let me get this straight instead of getting rid of the laziest
defender, we drop the best backside defender in the league and and average
defending Center? That will help us get better on Defense how? We could have a
GREAT defensive team. Dwill is ok, Brewer is very good, AK can be great, Thomas
is great, and Okur is ok when he isn't with Booz. Good luck scoring on that
1. If you want Thomas you can get him for Harp's contract. 2. Boozer
is worth a lot more and there is no hurry. 3. Millsap's defense is
not good enough and his offense is no where near Boozer's. Both are a defensive
liability. Millsap can't handle the tall athletic PFs any better than Boozer. He
just gets more fouls trying. 4. The Jazz are in a great position to
bargain. POR is not going to over pay Millsap. If they do it will hurt them.5. The Jazz just sent a clear signal they are not worried about the
salary cap by giving Okur a raise. They also sent a clear signal that they are
not that worried about resigning Millsap or they would not have done the Okur
signing at this time.6. It will take more than 2 years to work out
of this mess. Boozer has to be traded for real worth not just a dump. 7. There was no right FA out there to replace Boozer. A good trade is
necessary. That takes time.8. The Jazz keep talking about everyone
back. I suspect Boozer would like to leave.
who do you think the jazz get then, they wont do the deal just for thomas. i see
portland throwing in fernandez, batum, blake or prizbilla.its reported on radio
stations chicago might include salmons and that would be huge for us if we got
him and got rid of boozer and signed milsap
Can someone explain to me one thing?!?Where do the Jazz plan on
playing Tyrus Thomas?I like the guy. He is the defensive presence we
need, can block, rebound... and, as people have pointed out, he has upside. BUT
HE PLAYS AT POWER FORWARD!!!!The whole point of the trade seems to be to
move Boozer (a PF), to make salary space for Millsap (another PF). Considering
Okur is more of a PF (in size and style) than he is a natural C. That would mean
we have Millsap, Thomas and Okur all playing PF. Now those assuming that Millsap
will start at PF, are grossly overvaluing him. He has been a good backup to
Boozer, cos he has what Booz clearly doesn't... heart. BUT he is no all-star! He
has limited offensive skill, is quite slow and is undersized (compared to say
My next question is CAN TYRUS THOMAS PLAY AT SF? If
people who have watched him more than me, can tell me that he would be able to,
then this trade makes sense. If not, then we have a logjam of DECENT PF's, no
real C, and no scoring threat other than DWill!
Jazz get Thomas and Fernandez or Outlaw from portland. I'd prefer Rudy because
he can score and would fit perfect in the Jazz system. Chicago gets Boozer who
cares!!!!!! Jazz retain Milsap! Then do the Tmac for Ak trade by throwing in
Harps contract because he might retire anyways. If jazz make some moves to
better themselves like i know they will then the Utah Jazz will be the 1 team in
the west that can take out lakers if they work hard. Denvers season was a 1 year
fluke! Jazz will be back and healthy! Dwill makes players better so watch out
HERE COMES THE JAZZ!!!!!!
Trade boozer, ak, miles, and suton or fez to the bobcats and bring in bell,
okafor, diaw, and gerald wallace...overall the team gets a ton better...you get
something for boozer, you get rid of ak's contract, you give them a kid with
upside in miles but no work ethic and then suton or fez to round it off...
The only trade the Jazz should make is trading AK and Matt to the Rockets for
TMac. I am not a TMac fan but consider:Some insurance on TMac contract if
he doesn't playTMac contract expiringWhat killed us in the Laker
series was Kobe's help defense because he left Brewer alone (and not having
Memo). If TMac is healthy by then, he would definitely open up the offense down
low and allow more penetration by Deron.I am actually pretty high on
next year with this crew if we remain healthy. Korver should have a better
why on earth would chicago give up john salmons... he is the only scoring threat
the bulls have after ben gordon leftPS your trade idea was horrific
and Okur back is no interior defense. Both are good on offense. Boozer made
comments he should not have but is not relevant. Boozer is injury prone but
Millsap is an adequate back up. However, that whole system, that
approach has become to expensive to maintain. It has to be changed and the Jazz
have to maintain the offense while getting better defense. Okur,
Boozer and Millsap are all replaceable. Okur is staying for 3 years. That means
Boozer and/or Millsap will have to be replaced with better defense. That takes
an artful trade not a dump.Look at what Dallas just did with
Stackhouse's 7 Mill contract. Now that is good GM work. Boozer is a good/great
player compared to Stackhouse and he provides 13 Mill to work with. The Jazz have a defense problem. The contenders rank highest in FG defense.
The Jazz are in the middle of the pack. That has to be solved by
player changes (or a coaching change) before the Jazz can contend.As
an organization the Jazz do not make enough changes. They over pay because of
the emphasis on continuity and no change.
Apollo SunMillsap started 31 games last season and averaged 16 and
10. That does not seem very limited considering Boozer at 24 only averaged
17ppgLast Feb the Jazz averaged 107 ppg without Boozer where they
won 10 out of 11. They have no problem scoring. Tyrus Thomas may
not even stay with the Jazz. This trade is to cut Boozer Salary so the Jazz can
resign Millsap. Of Course the Jazz want to get something of value in return.
That being said with Thomas the Jazz can run Millsap at Center (last
season he played over 700 minutes at Center - and he was just fine), Thomas at
PF and AK a Small Forward. They combined last year about 4.5 blocks a game last
year. Jazz sends Boozer to Chicago - (12.5 million)Chicago
sends Tyrus to Utah and Heinrich to Portland (14 million)Because Portland
is 8 million dollars under the cap and they are taking 9.5 million dollars in
salary they need to shed 2 million and send Bayless, Fernandez, Outlaw or
Webster to Chicago.I don't think this is the last trade - I believe
that Miles will also be gone.
Actually come to think of it Webster would be an awesome fit in the Jazz system
also! But yeah honestly Tmac would bring so much to the jazz! Everyone forgets
he gets injured because he does so much. By coming to the jazz he would play in
a system and not have to work hard to make his team win compared to Houston. He
would provide the jazz a player besides Dwill that can create his own shot with
ease. Overall i say if jazz get the boozer deal done they better pull the Tmac
deal. Tmac is not washed up look how Amare came back after knee injury. Jazz
would be set!
It seems almost 3/4 of all player contracts expire next year. Should be
All of you need to remember, a trade requires the other team also wanting to do
the deal. Everyone talks about getting rid of AK's contract. That would
required someone wanting to take on AK for that price. In the perfect world for
jazz fans the Raptors would trade Bosh for Booze, and the Rockets would trade
TMac for AK. Unfortunately, it takes two teams to complete a deal. We should trade AK for Lebron. Idiots.
The Jazz would be wise to be very careful on the financial side. This recession
is going to be very long. It may well collapse again in 2010. The cap will be
much lower in 2010 and 2011. Expiring contracts present a great
opportunity to remake the Jazz into a contender by improving the defense while
maintaining the offense. That will need to be done over 2 years or more now that
Okur has extended. As far as the Miller empire losing money, it
mainly depends on their fixed cost structure. On the dealerships it is partly a
matter of controlling inventory costs. If they have low fixed costs and hold
down inventory costs they can survive a couple of years of 60% sales/revenues.
They will have interest expense on the locations/buildings. If that
is low enough then they have to control interest expense on inventory. They
should have already reduced inventory.I suspect that the Miller
group is in okay shape. They may also have each dealership as a separate entity
(LLC). Weaker dealerships could be jettisoned without effecting the stronger
The offense that Boozer brings when he comes to play is great... but the fact he
has missed 1 of every 3 games he should have been able to play takes away even
more of his scoring threat if you factor in the inconsistency that missed games
brings, and him having to play catchup just to regain his stamina reduces his
production to 1 of every 3 games... far too much salary for someone that is that
much of a drag. Unless he can play a full season like 2 years ago, a trade needs
to happen.I don't know if i like this trade, but I don't think it is the
only one the Jazz will explore. As far as keeping Okur... I think it is a good
idea as he spreads the floor and provides more offense than any other player on
the team. I like the idea of playing him as PF and perhaps then using a bulked
up Kufos as center, and bringing whomever is brought in off the bench. NO
matter what happens, I am always excited to see what the new season brings. GO
Cap space is at a premium right now. Every $ of cap space is worth 2$ to teams
in the lux tax. POR is not going to blow that on Millsap. They need
a PG and know that they can use their cap space to get one of the best in the up
coming fire sales. In the next 6 months POR can steal a PG using their cap
space.70% of the teams will be in the lux tax in 2010 and maybe a
higher percentage in 2011. Cap space will be even more valuable. That will drive the price of good players down as teams stuck with expensive
overpaid "stars" on long term contracts fire sale younger talent.The
Jazz have to stop spending too much on old players. They obviously did not
learn. The Jazz need to position for 2 years of falling caps. They
need to get better on defense while maintaining the offense. They had 33 million
to work with. They already blew a 10 million of that. I hate to say
the Jazz are dumb but I can't say they are smart until I get some evidence of
it. Same pattern as always.
re: STEVE-O | 5:20 p.m. July 9, 2009 >>Just glad to know they're
gonna dump Boozer. I just don't like watching the guy play basketball, or talk
The only legitimate "rumor" which was confirmed by the Blazer's GM is that the
Blazers want Millsap. Isn't it a funny coincidence that the day a big trade for
Millsap is confirmed, the somehow an unsubstantiated "bigger" trade regarding
Boozer gets floated around. It's like "don't pay attention to Millsap, watch
Boozer!". And nobody is confirming these ridiculous trade rumors. In fact
O'Connor was on a plane from Orlando to SLC... how could there have been any
talk with him??? I think it's all drummed up by Boozer's agent to try to keep
his boy in the spot light.
re:anonymousjazz get:derrick brown, played awesome in summer
league;emaka okafor;gerald wallace;raja bellbobcats get:
boozer;ak;cj;first round pick
These 3 Trades need to happen:Trade #1:Utah: Gets Thomas and Greg
OdenPortland: Gets Hinrich, Fesenko, NoahChicago: BoozerTrade
#2:Utah: Gets Tyson ChandlerNO: Gets Turiaf, MaggetteGS: Gets
AK, Koufos, just through him in to get rid of a center to make room for oden.Trade #3:Utah: Gets T-MacHouston: Gets Collins, Miles, Knight,
keep Matt dont trade him, and make T-Mac earn his starting spot and battle it
out with Matt, it will make him work harder. Resing Milsap for cheap. So Jazz
get Thomas, Oden, Chandler, T-Mac. Utah Jazz starting line up Williams, Brewer,
T-Mac, Okur at PF, Chandler at Center. plus your bench is stacked with Thomas,
Oden, Milsap, Price, Matt, Korver, Maynor. Wow can someone say Champions for
Give him Boozer, A.K., & Miles for Biedrins, Maggette, Turiaf, & Wright, the
money works and so does the sense of it. NOW we are ready to play.
Apollo sun: Who are these decent PF's you speak of? Under scenario we get
Millsap back, that's 1. AK plays 4 positions so he doesn't really count. You
can't be counting Kosta or Suton, can you? So really, we'd have Millsap with
Thomas backing him up, quite the log jam huh?And to the trade guru
post: The Rockets were the team looking into the AK for McGrady trade. If the
article was correct, we backed out of talks. It makes sense for both teams,
especially with Harp's contract thrown in. Without Yao, the Rockets are going to
have to go to a defensive minded team that focuses on ball-movement on offense,
like Adelman's offense in Sacramento. They'd have Ariza/Battier/Kirilinko at the
2/3/4 positions. Pretty good D. Let's just hope the Jazz do
something to improve team and gain flexibility next year
This will be the best trade that was never made. What does Tyrus Thomas do for
us other than give us a chance to keep Milsap and save some money? We are much
better off with Boozer than with Tyrus Thomas and Milsap combined. Boozer will
stay healthy this year and give us the best chance at a title - who wants to
To James:Tmac doesn't HAVE to work that hard in Houston either. He
chooses to take all the pressure on himslef. He feels like he needs to score 35
points every game in order for his team to win. Then he gets hurts and the
Rockets excelled without him. Tmac will never be a team player, and
as a result will always overwork and always be hurt. We don't need a guy like
that on the team. Also, he's going to be out until Midseason minimum so we'd be
trading AK for esentially nobody.The only reason the Jazz should
trade AK for Tmac would be to shorten that ugly contract by one year. They'd
basically be throwing in the towel on the 2009 season with hopes of signing some
players during next year's free agency.
To: 'Blauch | 10:16 a.m. July 10, 2009'Are you joking? First of all
you compare Millsap's best production, to Boozer's worst (when he had just come
back from injury). Why not compare him to Boozer's stats from the season before
(when he was healthy) which was 21.1 pts and 10.4 rebounds.Millsap
is already 24, so he's not gonna have much more upside.... well at least not
that much more than a 27 year old Boozer! His baskets come mostly from simple
dunks or putbacks under the basket. While Boozer has a vast array of shots to
hit teams with.Point is, as much as i agree that trading Boozer for
the right guys makes sense. Don't be under any illusions that Millsap is a
better player!And NO.... at 6'8'' he most definitely can't play at
Center!!!!!!!!! Ridiculous comment!
may be valuable when he plays. When does he play? A great player always injured
isn't very valuable. So the Jazz get Thomas... the Jazz don't sacrifice much to
get cap space.It's a business, folks. Gotta make the deals you think
will make money (or not lose money) in the long run.
Here's a trade idea3 team trade with utah golden state and
charlotteJazz get turiaf, maggette, okafor, and gerald wallacegolden state gets boozer fensenko ajinca and suton possiblycharolette gets kirlenko harpring and miles...THis trade works
with everyone's contracts and everything. You get more inside presence with
turiaf and okafor, athleticism from maggette and wallace along with scoring and
If the Jazz somehow ended up with Pryzbilla, Thomas and Fernendez by loosing
only Boozer and maybe Fez..........that would be great. Millsap and Pryzbilla
would cover Boozers points.....and the interior defense would be greatly
improved. When Fernandez played against that Jazz last year he was very good.
Very poised and just gave you the impression that he could do what he wanted.
Not sure why his playing time seems to have decreased later in the year.....but
I'd be happy if the Jazz ended up with those 3 players.
Ok stick with me here a second I just came up with a stat I would call actuall
average. Basically you would generally expect a player to play about 75 of your
82 games a year on average(92%). If they play more it is like a bonus and less
it would hurt their stats. So to be fair I only used the last 3 seasons for
Boozer (2 of those are his best seasons). year 2006-07
2007-08 2008-09games played 74 81 37ave points 20.9 21.1 16.2ave rebounds 11.7
10.4 10.4total points 1549 1708 599total rebs 867 844 385actual ave points 20.7
22.8 8actual ave rebs 11.6 11.3 5.1actual ave all 3 years combined 17.1 points & 9.3 rebs Boozer should be a 3rd guy. He isn't terrible but he's not quite a 20 and 10
guy. By the traditional average he is but by what you'd expect to get he isn't.
Good player but not great.
Anonymous,You should really try to undestand how trades work. You have to
give another team something of value for them to give you what you want. The
Bobcats will not give you a bunch of the key players for nothing. Unless, the
GM there want to get fired.
@ Nick..HA HA hA! You're trades are great! I love your sarcastic
humor. I wanna try one:Jazz Get: 3 racks of Basketballs, some used
underarmor, Batum.Blazers Get: DWill, AK, Boozer, and a 1st round
Pick.or Maybe.....Jazz Get: Raja Bell, Greg Ostertag out
of retirement, and a few Bobcats Cheerleaders.Bobcats Get: Boozer,
Ak, Memo, and throw in a 1st round pick for kicks! This is fun!!
Mr. Paxson DO NOT make this trade! As a Bulls fan in Utah, I have watched Boozer
do nothing but sit the bench with injuries and when he is in the line up, he
under performs. The Boozer who could get you 25 and 10 on any given night is
long gone. Tyrus Thomas is an athletic freak and I expect in the next year or
so, he will come into his own as a dominant post player who can also extend
defenses and cause match up problems. I can't stand Boozer and if my Bulls make
this trade, it will do nothing but set them back and for what??? A cry baby,
injury proned cancer who might play 25-30 games. No thanks!
Tmac still would excell in a jazz uniform! He doesn't trust his teammates in
houston see in utah he has proven winners and would realize he is coming to an
already good team! Plus Sloan wouldn't let him play like he does in houston and
so he would do good with the jazz.
I am so sick of this rumor already...when I know nothing is actually going down.
Plus..reading some of all these posts with all the stupid trade
ideas...most of you sound like 2nd graders. Lets trade Collins for LBJ...that
k here is a trade possiblitly i see for the jazz that actually works with the
contracts...4 team blockbusterJazz get corey maggette
ronny turiaf from g.s, thomas from chicago, gerald wallace and ajinca from
bobcats... golden state gets kirlenko and harpring from jazz, boris
diaw from bobcats, and larry johnson from chicagobobcats get heinrik
from chicago, korver from jazz, wright from g.s and beindris from g.schicago gets boozer and miles from jazz, augistin from bobcats, and davidson
from g.s that puts the jazz starting five something likewilliamsmaggetewallace... okurturiafwithbrewer,
thomas, fez, millsap and maynor with the main subs. for the jazzit
seems like a good one that everyone benefits in some way and the bulls actually
get even more cap room coming into next year with the expiring contracts they
would take on and getting rid of heinriks 3 year deal...jazz get a solid core
that would be there for the next 3 years
What does Thomas bring to the Jazz you ask...exactly what Boozer does not
bring...defense! TT averaged about the same number of blocks per game as Okur,
Boozer and AK combined in less minutes.
Thomas brings talent! He can hit a jump shot and attack the rim with quickness!
Has anyone seen his block on Bosh and then on the next play dunked on J'Oneal?
Enough Said! As far as for defense he straight up blocked Lebron so there is
alot of defense in this kid, Jazz should pull the trigger and get Webster from
Portland why there at it! I remember him lighting up the Jazz for 24 points in 1
quarter he has upside!
Apollo Sun - Did you even watch the Jazz last season. Millsap
played 700 minutes last season as Center. 700 Minute he was on the court without
Okur, Fess, Collins or Koufas. 300 of those minutes were with AK (AK did not
play center) and 400 minutes with Boozer (Boozer does not play Center). I compared Boozer production when he was 24 to Millsaps production when
he was 24. SAME AGE. (Actually I used his 23 year old production 17 and 9 -
when he was 24 he averaged 16 points 8 rebounds a game) I would love
to compare Boozer 21.1 ppg when he was 26 to Millsap 26 year production - but
Millsap is not 26. No one knows what it will be. Power Forwards
peak in scoring (meaning their highest ppg) comes when they are 27 or younger -
Boozer turns 28 in November. While Millsap is over 3 years younger (he turned
24 in February) - To say Millsap will not improve. It took Boozer 5
year to get to 20 points a game - How can anyone say Millsap won't become a 20
Has anyone noticed that most big guys in the league don't score or can't shoot.
Exceptions are Duncan and Gasol. Most teams get their scoring from the outside
except Jerry's teams. So for that reason, Boozer does not have many options for
the money he is demanding. Most bigs in the league are for rebounding and
defense. Not for scoring. The Jazz on the other hand look for their bigs to
score and play no defense. Just backwards from the rest of the league. No
wonder we don't have any banners here in Utah.
I don't think this is really about Boozer vs. Millsap. I think this is about
going cheap, locking in a decent PF at a cheap price. I'd rather they let them
both go and look for someone who is both healthy and a great player, even if
costs more. That seems a much better option than locking in someone cheap but
not great for the long term. I think there is no more desire to win a
championship, only a desire to survive a recession.
Hate to break it to ya, Blauch, but every time Memo leaves the floor Boozer
slides to the 5, and Millsap plays the 4. That's when all were playing.It's also one of the reasons Boozer's defense appears worse that it actually
is...he gets the opposing team's toughest post assignment.
Thank you CJ3Blauch, you may have watched the Jazz last year, but
you clearly don't understand what you're seeing if you thought that Millsap was
playing Center.The point is that Okur/Koufos/Fess will rotate at 5.
Millsap and Thomas will probably play the 4. My original point was that
receiving a backup for Millsap (who isn't exactly an all-star YET) for Boozer
(who is a two-time all-star) doesn't make sense. Yes salary wise it keeps us
under the cap, but unless we can play Thomas at 3, and have Millsap and him on
the floor at the same time, i think there are better options out there. Try not
to blindly love all things Millsap and instead think constructively!
My pleasure, Apollo.
To CJ3: How many centers out there really are their teams toughest post player?
Count them up, i'd love to hear how many tough centers there are in the
league.To Miles: How many championship teams has their been w/o an
offense run through their 4 or 5. Every Laker championship team was run through
their post, sure they have Kobe but Phil Jackson runs it through their bigs to
keep Kobe from being selfish and screwing it up. The Spurs, the Heat, every
championship team except for Jordan's teams have had dominant big guys. True
most have had a great guard or wing player but you have to have both and you
have to play inside/out. Why do you think Cleveland couldn't get past Orlando,
they had nobody to guard the 4/5 positions or more to the point, Orlando's 4/5's
didn't have to guard anyone. I agree we need more D out of our bigs though,
thats a good point. Maybe we just run everything through CJ next year and
everything will work out.
What the Jazz need to do is trade all the players and fold. These guys are all
way over paid. They are generally spoiled brats with egos wider than the state.
And the fans who follow them so closely need to get a life and spend their time
and money on things that really matter in life.
the frustration and anger in me increases almost on a second by second basis.How does Kevin O Connor sleep at night?How does Greg
Miller?They take the fans for "granted"I am humiliated
to tell others as I am a Jazz fanWatching other teams get better.
Players staying here opting in is bad enough. Mehmout is not a true center. If
he played #4 maybe. However, we could have either Snoozer or Millsap/ThomasI do not believe any trade will happen. It has been a few days
now and no new rumors or real news anywhere.O Connor was in
Orlando.O Connor does not have the intelligence or creativity to do
sign and deal moves, trading for cap relief.The Jazz are in serious
troubleSigning Okur to an extension as a time with cap changes and
just focused on damage control is beyond stupid. It is same ol dumb
decisionsThe next dumbest is SLoan possibly being here for several
more years.I do not believe he will leave in 1 year, what else does
he have to do?Everything-players picked starts with real GMSloan and his "worthless Sloanaholics"..
I'd be happy to J bra (bra?! Really?...)! OK, shall we start in the West, with
the requested "quality centers?" Feel free to debate the merits of them. Last season there was Shaquille O'Neal, the All-Star co-MVP, Marcus
Camby (former DPoY and shotblocking specialist), Pau Gasol (played more minutes
at the 5 than starter Bynum), and one of the fellas many Jazz fans seem to want,
Joel Przybilla. Nene Hilario, or another fan fav trade wannabe, Tyson Chandler,
Tim Duncan, Andris Biedrins (bet you know nothing about him... but you should),
or Yao Ming???Those are some quality 5-spot big men right there.
Really, if you wanna go East, just lemme know...brah.
So Gasol, Yao and Duncan were the tough matchups defensively for a PF playing C
about 5-10 minutes a game. Nene is a PF playing C, Chandler has no offensive
game except for catching oops, Camby has no offensive game, Biedrins and
Przybilla are just big stiffs on offense. You make me feel better about Memo as
our Center. Poor Boozer, no wonder we think he can't play D. Let's go east!
The Jazz switch on D in the post all the time, partly because Okur is slowto
rotate, and partly by design. Boozer plays the bulk of the minutes on Gasol and
Duncan, 2 of the premier post-men in the league. Memo does get Yao, maybe
because both have such slow feet.Your Memo comment pulled a smile
out of me. Funny.Boozer doesn't play the bulk of the minutes on the
rest of the players named, but I did want to point out that there are quality 5s
out there, and Booz will get the switch on em quite often. Biedrins has upped
his offensive production every year.Booz gets Aldridge, West, and
forget the Clipshow, they're irrelevant, and does a great job on em. Don't forget to defend Shaq's offense vs Booz.East comin, after
You make some alright points, but that doesn't make me feel any better about
Booz's D. No excuses, he just doesn't try hard enough.As for Shaq, I
forgot about him but he is a shell of his former self, probably still too much
for Booz, but his size causes problems for everybody. Sorry no free
pass for Booz, you have to play both ends of the floor.I'm glad you
like the Memo comment. On that list of players he's a border line all-star
depending on injuries, and i'm not a big Memo fan.
Shaq had a resurgent, All-Star season, and it could be argued Booz did the
better job on him, defensively, than anyone else.That said, Boozer's
D is much better vs guys he can get his strong body up under. Against the
quicker bigs he really struggles, exposing the front of the hoop for the
opposing offenses. Memo's lack of quickness further exposes the Jazz's D at the
rim.I agree wholeheartedly about Okur. The deal for 2 years was the
right one.Out East for a moment...Dwight Howard, at the Summer
Olys, said Boozer was his best defensive competition in working on his offensive
post game. That is out of anyone on his Orlando team, and anyone in Beijing. That includes Bosh and Tayshaun Prince, 2 guys that many fans want to
trade for.Booz should be at his best this year. And on his best
I'm not saying he's not capable of playing D, he just seems unwilling. I know
coach k requires you to play d at Duke, so maybe playing around him at the
Olympics did it for him. If his payday next year won't do it, nothing will. I
just don't want to see him walk after next year for nothing.
Agreed. I'd take Salmons off of the Bulls hands any day.