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  • Chadders
    July 9, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    DO IT!!! Thomas is a genetic freak. He is a huge upgrade defensively and would produce here. His offense is up and down but he is only going into his 4th year. If he puts it all together watch out. The upside on this kid is unreal.

  • Matthalen
    July 9, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    Great, trade one malcontent for another. Sloan will Kill Thomas...

  • Miles
    July 9, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    If that is all we get for Boozer, keep him and let him walk at the end of the season. Thomas has been a complete disappointment since leaving college early. Athletic but not a well rounded basketball player. I hope Kevin comes to his senses soon.

  • Another rumor?
    July 9, 2009 5:07 p.m.

    Hey I want the truth. The media never seems to have any of it. Just more rumors.

  • Cowboy Joe
    July 9, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    Hey Miles here is the trade. The Jazz send Boozer for Thomas and cap space. I think the Jazz can find a better trade. Do a block buster not a sleeper KOC

  • Miles
    July 9, 2009 5:13 p.m.

    It would be safe to say that the Jazz organization is tired of Boozer's dance. I would appear that he will never put on a Jazz uniform again. It scares me that if Boozer is gone that we will way overpay Millsap to keep him around.

  • STEVE-O
    July 9, 2009 5:20 p.m.

    The Jazz would only do this to get under the cap. I guess you do what you gotta do, but I think they could do better than this. Just glad to know they're gonna dump Boozer. I just don't like watching the guy play basketball, or talk afterwards.

  • jazzman4evr
    July 9, 2009 5:22 p.m.

    Why would the jazz make a trade that would benefit a division rival? Why don't we send boozer to chicago for heinrich and someone other than thomas and leave portland out of the equation? Heinrich would be a much needed back up pg way better than price and the rook.

  • Dude
    July 9, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    Boozer will bring a lot to the Jazz this season if he stays. Fans need to let things go. If Boozer stays this season and is gone after the season, then things would probably work out better.

  • Brandon
    July 9, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    At least Thomas plays defense.

  • no
    July 9, 2009 5:25 p.m.

    If the jazz trade boozer away and we keep paul we better be in the mix of trading Ak for a scorer.. if we lose booz then i dont know who will do the scoring? okur and D will cant do it all? come on jazz

  • Hinrich to POR and Booz
    July 9, 2009 5:28 p.m.

    makes sense for them. What is in this for the Jazz? Ty Thomas only makes 4+ mill. What else are the Jazz getting? Thomas is 6'9", soft, slight, so so on defense and 11/7 or less. Do the Jazz really want him all that bad? If so why?

  • Lets Make A Deal
    July 9, 2009 5:28 p.m.

    A.K., Booze & Miles to Chicago for Miller, Hindrich, & Thomas. Throw Maynor & Suton in on the deal & or Price. Sign & trade Milsap to Portland, Portland sends Outlaw to Sacramento, who sends Nocioni to Utah. sending Maynor, Suton, Price and Harprings expiring contract in to make the deal go.

  • Chadders
    July 9, 2009 5:28 p.m.

    Are you serious Miles? Thomas is not a bust at all. He is up and down but with Thomas and AK it would be very, very difficult for anyone to score in the paint (our biggest weakness). He has a very, very high upside and still preforms decently. Our team athleticism would go waaaaay up with Thomas on the team.

  • Thomas
    July 9, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    Well if this is true the Blazers sure get a great deal. Why is it that Portland doesn't have to give up anyone? I don't like the trade for the reasons that we aren't getting enough back. Tyrus Thomas is an athletic freak but he is a tweener and doesn't have a defined position. Should have traded AK for T-Mac...

  • It makes more sense
    July 9, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    to resolve Millsap's contract first, one way or the other.

    Is this a smoke screen by Prichard? or is the rumor about Millsap a smoke screen? POR wants Hinrich. They don't really need Millsap.

    Boozer is worth a lot more than Thomas and cap space. We need the PF of the future out of this trade and that is probably not Thomas.

    Will the Jazz get a 8+ Mill credit like DEN did on Camby? They can use that credit to trade for anyone they want since it came from the Clips who were under the cap. Since this is a 3 way would the Jazz get a credit they could use to get any player they want from any team?

  • STEVE-O
    July 9, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    Some of you are missing the point! Yes... the Jazz only get Thomas and his measly $5 Million contract. They also avoid the luxury tax. They are just hoping to dumping salary knowing that it's not the best deal in the world.

  • Cowboy Joe
    July 9, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Hey Thomas Portland is giving up cap space for the Jazz. So another way to think about it is Portland is giving the Jazz an over priced Paul Millsap. Slown will put Thomas in the Dog POUnd in the first Month guaranteed.

  • The Upsides ...
    July 9, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    are to get the CANCER (Boozer) out of the locker room; make cap space to keep Millsap; and to get a defensive minded player.

  • Awesome
    July 9, 2009 5:41 p.m.

    Portland would need to give up another player to the Jazz to make this work. It would probably end up being Boozer to the Bulls, Heinrich to the Blazers and Thomas and either Blake or Outlaw to Utah. In order to make the money work. I love this trade. Get rid of Boozer, save cap space, and get us one of the things we need, an athletic shotblocker. The Jazz are doing this mainly for cap space so that we can re-sign Milsap. Otherwise Portland may sign him to a contract we can't match.

  • Portland Gives UP
    July 9, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    What Portland has to give up is a player and their cap space. They are essentially giving the Jazz a player (not yet named) and signing Kirk Heinrich. This takes their cap space so they cannot sign Milsap.

  • STEVE-O
    July 9, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    And if the Jazz don't retain Millsap, this trade allows them some money to go get Drew Gooden or maybe even the great white hope from New York.

  • todd from santa ana
    July 9, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    i would like to get more for Snoozie...However if this brings chemistry think about Thomas size defense it would help the surrounding players, could help Okur. We have enough offense. I like it if that means giving up salary do it..Yes I would like more....But O Connor still has to not get "wet feet"

  • nick
    July 9, 2009 5:55 p.m.

    jazz get:
    john salmons
    travis outlaw
    tyrus thomas
    nicholas batum

    bulls get:
    miles
    boozer

    blazers get:
    steve blake
    1st round pick



    it works, what you think, we get more athletic, better shooters, better defender, and save money in long run. then we get rid of kirilenko just for a terrible expiring contract along with korver and harpring and we have much better small forwards and salmons start at 2 and brewer w/ firepower off the bench

  • What I'd like to see!
    July 9, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    Portland gets Hinrich from Chicago and Fesenko from Utah.

    Chicago gets Boozer from Utah and Steve Blake from Portland.

    Utah gets Tyrus Thomas from Chicago and Joel Pryzbilla from Portland.

    Both Portland and Chicago get the players they want. We get rid of a locker room cancer in Boozer and a goofball in Fesenko. We add athleticism in Thomas and toughness and shot blocking in Pryzbilla.

    Kevin O'Conner needs to snap this trade up before Boozer is on the IL again with a hangnail.

  • Frank
    July 9, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    What I like about the potential trade is you'd have to assume Portland will give something up - we just don't know who it is yet. And I'd also have to assume that the fourth player would go to us - after all, Chicago is already getting the best and most expensive player of the deal.

    If so, it might be someone like Martell Webster - another young guy with upside with solid (and improving) defensive skills who can create his own shot. Rudy Fernandez might be a bit more enticing, but that's probably not going to happen. Still, a potential Thomas/Webster combo - plus the flexibility to re-sign Millsap - is a decent haul for a player who we were going to lose next summer anyway.

  • todd from santa ana
    July 9, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    Blake will give the jazz another needed 3 point threat, therefore helping Korver and Okur

  • The truth is...
    July 9, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    The Jazz need a defensive presence and they need to get rid of Carlos Boozer and his excessive price tag and his fragile body.
    Those of you who think the Jazz will not be able to score with out Boozer- think back to the half of last season C-Booz missed. Jazz still ranked near the top of the NBA in scoring.

    Reason for this is Millsap picked up the slack.
    Reason for this trade is to bring Thomas, a good defensive, shot blocker to the team and to offer the Blazers Heinrich, who they really want. This will hopefully turn them away from Millsap and without anymore suiters the Jazz are going to get Millsap back for a cheaper price tag then his rediculous uncle/agent is dreaming up.

  • yes!!!
    July 9, 2009 5:58 p.m.

    THis is a great move. Thomas is great at defense and Millsap needs more playing time. Last season, the Jazz were better when Boozer was riding the pine and Millsap was starting!!

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2009 6:02 p.m.

    JAZZ NEED TO MOVE BOOZER, BECAUSE HE WILL WALK AT SEASON'S END AND THEY NEED TO RESIGN MILLSAP WHO AS A STARTER AVERAGED 16/10. ALSO MILLSAP IS NOT INJURY PRONE AND WILL PLAY DEFENSE. JAZZ NEED TO SHAKE UP THINGS, BECAUSE THEY WONT BEET THE LAKERS OR SPURS BRINGING BACK THE SAME TEAM. ATLEAST WITH TYRUS THEY GET LONGER AND MORE ATHLETIC, SOMETHING THEY HAVE STRUGGLES WITH WHEN PLAYING THE LAKERS.

  • A person that want defense
    July 9, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    Carlos Boozer is a scorer with no low post defense. the Jazz will find a way to score. Ronnie brewer is getting better. I think what we need is defense. Tyrus Thomas is extremely active and can block shot.

  • PREEKEY
    July 9, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    Boozer needs to pack his bags and go stink up another team. He is by far one of the softest defenders for his position in the league. tyrus thomas would be a great asset to the Jazz due to his ability to block multiple shots per game and his uptempo play would ignite Williams and this season would be the one to watch if the trade went through. this way we could keep Millsap and have some flexibility to maybe work in the free agent market to pick up some key role players to support our beloved D-Will.
    COME ON JAZZ MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND RELIEVE EVERY JAZZ FAN OF THE WOES OF HAVING BOOZER. ANYONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENT NEEDS TO GOOGLE THE POLL ESPN DID ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE WERE HAPPY BOOZER OPTED IN HIS LAST YEAR IN UTAH. OVER 70% WERE UNHAPPY AND WNATED HIM GONE. KEVIN O'CONNOR MAKE IT HAPPEN AND DO LHM PROUD!!!!!!!!!!!

  • PREEKEY
    July 9, 2009 6:17 p.m.

    PS THOMAS AVERAGED ABOUT 20 POINTS PER GAME AND JUST UNDER 10 REBOUNDS AT THE LAST HALF OF THE SEASON! DO THE DEALAND MAKE IT HAPPEN KEVIN O'CONNOR! GREG DO YOUR DAD PROUD AND GET SOME EXCITEMENT AND HARD WORKING PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY LIKE THOMAS. LET BOOZER BE A BABY AND CONTINUE TO BE A DISHONEST PERSON.

  • james
    July 9, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    Tyrus Thomas is a freak athlete...the area above the shoulders is his biggest weakness. He has a low basketball IQ and according to Chicago writer Sam Smith, has one of the worst dispositions of any young athlete he has covered.

    Thomas is long, quick, a good jumper but is relatively weak (Milsap handled him like a ragdoll in their matchups and will struggle is Sloan's system.

    Kirk Hinrich is the player the Jazz covet..and if Chicago really wants Boozer, trade Booze for Thomas and Hinrich.

    A trade I would like is Boozer, CJ for James johnson, Kirk Hinrich and Thomas..

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2009 6:21 p.m.

    this is nice to hear, at least we know that the Jazz are really trying their best to trade Boozer, I just hope that the teams involved will be cooperative so this trade will come to reality

  • Virginia Jazz Fan
    July 9, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    Why doesn't the Deseret News do any original reporting on this? It's like they can't do anything except read ESPN.com and tell us what it says. Hey, I know how to read ESPN.com - the local paper should add some value.

  • please...
    July 9, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    Make it happen! I love the trade

  • Not Hans
    July 9, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    John and Hans had this story all morning long on 1280 The Zone from 6-10 AM, thanks for "breaking" the story ESPN.....

  • Ron Burgundy
    July 9, 2009 6:31 p.m.

    THIS IS IT !!! This deal will surely help the Jazz beat the Lakers in the years to come.
    Yeah... Riiigghhttt.
    Jazz fans are always good for a laugh.

  • GoodGuyGary
    July 9, 2009 6:32 p.m.

    No matter what, boozer will only be here for another year the most.

    Thomas is not consistent, but his numbers are not bad last season: 10.8 pt, 6.4 reb, 1.9 blks per game for 27 min a game when he is not the major player in the Bulls team. And he was making only 3.7M last year. Boozer: 16.2 pt, 10.4 reb, 0.19 nlks (ouch) per game with 32 min and making 12M this year. Boozer played 37 games and Thomas played 79 games last season.

    If I am KOC, I will take this deal for sure. Remember, with the salary cap problems and the risk of Boozer just sit for his last season in Utah, it will be a good deal for Jazz. I am GoodGuyGary, and I approve this deal.

  • Hoopsworld is basically
    July 9, 2009 6:36 p.m.

    saying this deal is mostly smoke. It does not make much sense based on the current details. Boozer is worth a lot more than this. Utah is slow and conservative but they are not dumb like MEM.

    POR is not parting with Blake.

    The Jazz are not desperate for cap space. You have been brain washed by years of L Miller. Greg can handle the lux to get the right team in place. He wants to win.

    Don't give resources away just to get under the tax. The Jazz can afford and have to afford to get the right players.

    Stop worrying about the cap. They have months to fix the cap.

    Make a trade when you can get the right deal for the right players. You don't have to do a deal for the sake of a deal.

    DAL is still dealing and doing a great job of it. They will get an SG next.

    They will rival SA when done.

    Utah has to be very careful here or they will make trades and be not better off.

  • JOHNNY
    July 9, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    let's make a deal chicago and portalnd. soounds almost too good to be true. i forsee this not going through. the bulls wont part with thomas . del negro loves him and sees the potential that he has. the bulls will be getting the shaft in taking boozer. he is a waste of space and is only concerned with scoring and being a baby with his papercut injuries. i see boozer's career headed downhill in 2 to 3 years anyway. he is a offspring of shawn marion, without the defense and skills. so basically his mentality is that of a little leaguer or worse.

  • Cowboy Joe
    July 9, 2009 6:37 p.m.

    By doing this trade the Jazz are helping the Trailblazers the Most. Chicago and Portland are the winners in this trade. For the last time Portland is not giving up anything, but cap space for the Jazz. Another way to think about it is the Jazz are trading Boozer for THOMAS AND MILLSAP TWO UNDER SIZED POWER FORWARDS. Hold out for something better

  • The Human Eraser!!!
    July 9, 2009 6:43 p.m.

    Thomas is great shot blocker. I love his intensity and determination in every game.I hope that other player will involve in the trade is Rudy Fernandez. He is a great shooter and can be threat to other teams.

  • Chadders
    July 9, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    todd has the right idea, we trade Boozer to Chicago, Chicago gives Portland Hinrich and us Tyrus Thomas, and Portland gives us Steve Blake. According to the ESPN trade machine that would help us win 2 more wins and the Blazers would lose 5 more. I would be ok with anything that doesn't make us lose more games and doesn't make POR better. And if it helps us win more and POR lose more we are set.

  • NATE-O
    July 9, 2009 7:10 p.m.

    honestly, i don't give a rats about who the jazz get in return. just dump the guy. boozer is a dweeb. however, he'll probably have his best season next year, seeing as how its a contract year for him and all.

  • Jim Naisium
    July 9, 2009 7:14 p.m.

    Trade CJ Miles and Boozer to Toronto for Chris Bosh. Then trade Okur to the Hornets for Tyson Chandler. Those would be two great trades for the Jazz, provided the Raptors and Hornets would be willing to deal. Boozer is soft on D, Bosh plays both ends of the floor. Okur is another soft, offensive minded player. The Jazz don't need a center who hangs out at the 3 point line. They need a defensive minded center who will guard the paint area and can also put the ball in the basket if called upon. Chandler would fill the need.

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2009 7:18 p.m.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I have this sinking feeling that a commitment to Millsap is a commitment to cost effective mediocrity, for the foreseeable future. Not a comment on Millsap, who is a good player, but on the financial decision-making process. Are they committing to a cheap "competitive" team? It sure looks like it.

  • page
    July 9, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    tell me if i am wrong idk for sure but if you are over the salary cap then you have to take that much in money back. so we would have to take 12.7 back in contracts some way so we would not get relief now. i say go for can't stand loser

  • BLAZER FAN
    July 9, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    You all are missing the point, what Portland is giving up is their ability to go after Millsap. Oh, I forgot and a challenge from the Jazz on the court!

  • STEVE-O
    July 9, 2009 7:37 p.m.

    I don't understand how 6'9" is "Undersized" but 6'10 or 6'11 is fine. Millsap beats out players that are a bit taller than him because he plays hard. An inch or two isn't that much of a difference in my book.

  • number1jazzfan
    July 9, 2009 7:45 p.m.

    koc must do this trade

  • Boozer's Scoring Wasn't Missed
    July 9, 2009 7:57 p.m.

    We didn't have a problem scoring when Boozer was out half the season we had a problem defending.

    We need someone that can defend.

  • Sesame Street
    July 9, 2009 7:58 p.m.

    O'Conner keeps his job and future decisions continue to give headaches to the fans. We might as well have Bert and Ernie on this one.

  • nick
    July 9, 2009 8:01 p.m.

    someone comment on my trade on page 1, its the best!!! I WANT TO KNOW YOUR OPINION

  • macnamara
    July 9, 2009 8:11 p.m.

    Sounds to me like Portland in trying to bend the Jazz over backwards. Making KOC take the lesser of evils. I'm not for getting pressured by anybody. Let em take their best shot and we'll deal with it!

  • REALLY???
    July 9, 2009 8:17 p.m.

    ANYONE SEE THAT OKUR GOT 2 YEAR EXTENSION? I DID!!!! GO TO ESPN!

  • Nevada fan
    July 9, 2009 8:18 p.m.

    What is all the noise about Milsap. He was beat down against the Lakers and thats the team we have to beat. Don't get me wrong he is a hard and strong off the bench ,but thats all. So why give him a huge deal, and up like AK? MAKE THE TRADE,and dump AK get Kaman.

  • RE: nick
    July 9, 2009 8:21 p.m.

    that would never happen, the bulls won't trade all those players plus why would Portland give themselves Steve Blake

  • Miles
    July 9, 2009 8:32 p.m.

    News Update: Boozer hurts himself walking from car to restuarant. Can't pass physical and trade is voided. Out for season with broken toenail.

  • Miles
    July 9, 2009 8:38 p.m.

    Nick that was the worst idea I have ever seen posted on this site. Why would you give up CJ?

  • Dixie Dan
    July 9, 2009 8:47 p.m.

    Fools, keep Boozer. He is in his final salary year and will probably have his best year ever in his career so as to enhance his value next summer.

  • bill Dalew
    July 9, 2009 8:55 p.m.

    Thomas doesn't make sense. He's too similar to AK and Ronny Brewer in that he's an athletic guy that can't shoot. If the jazz are going to trade Boozer they better get a scorer. I would prefer somebody like John Salmons from Chicago in this deal. Unfortunately, after losing Ben Gordan I'm sure Chicago won't want to give him up. We don't want "upside". We have "upside" with CJ, and we've all seen how that's turning out. If your going to trade Boozer, get a proven player in return.

  • macnamara
    July 9, 2009 8:58 p.m.

    Sloan will tolerate Thomas about half way through the first practice and that'll be it!!

  • Prichard just said
    July 9, 2009 9:05 p.m.

    he is looking at all of his options including Millsap and is in no hurry. The extention for Okur is mixed in my book. Okur improved his inside game. However, in this economy he was replaceable. I think this signals that Boozer is going to be moved. I am not sure how soon or for what.

    The Jazz are not worried about the lux tax or they would not have signed Okur. If the Jazz are to have any chance at all they have to have better defense at PF and that is not Millsap.

    I was encouraged but now I am starting to doubt the wisdom and ability of this management to produce anything more than a 6th seed.

    SA POR DAL are better. LA is about the same (Artest is a negative). DEN is about the same but they have the trade exemption for 9 mill and can get another great player. NO will fire sale before the end of this next season. HOU and PHO are in trouble.

    The Jazz are delusional about continuity and doing little to get better or even under the luxury tax. However, they will probably be better than NO, HOU and PHO.

  • doc
    July 9, 2009 9:07 p.m.

    This 3 way trade all makes sense because the Jazz desperately want to keep Millsap, get rid of Boozer, acquire a defender and shot blocker, and acquire some cap relief.

    The Bulls have been looking for that low post scorer for years, and the Blazers have long targeted Hinrich.

    Now, there will have to be other players involved to satisfy league rules, but I could see Martell Webster coming to Utah because the Jazz liked him coming out of high school and the Blazers have a glut of players at the small forward/shooting guard position.

    All in all, I like the basic proposed 3 way trade between the above teams. The Jazz get rid of someone who has worn thin on the organization and the fans; plus, they sign Millsap, and get some cap relief and acquire a defender, shot blocker, and a developing offensive talent.

  • Forget helping POR
    July 9, 2009 9:26 p.m.

    why not make a deal with NJ for Ryan Anderson and expiring contracts for Boozer. Maybe get an decent SG thrown in also as Anderson is cheap. They need a PF and have some young players who could really help the Jazz.

    Or maybe work a deal with SAC for a big and releasable parts.

    The Jazz will never be a contender until the get a top 5 defensive team and win on the road.

    Resigning Okur and Millsap will not do that. Losing Boozer loses offense but also bad defense.

    Go get some young good aggressive players who will play defense and score. Change the culture of this soft team. They never play defense except in the last 8 minutes.

    Greg, KOC and Sloan have to put together a team that fixes those two problems. They also need more outside shooting and rebounding but defense and road attitude are the biggest problems.

  • Donald
    July 9, 2009 9:31 p.m.

    I like to read the post on here, but I think it is hilarious that some of you are proposing all these trade where we unload someone we do not want and the other team would give us a star like Bosh. Sweet dreams! What are you smoking there in Utah?

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2009 9:54 p.m.

    I'm good with this trade if we can weasel Martell Webster or Rudy Fernandez out of Portland as part of it. That would make this a good trade. Otherwise, I fear we may be giving up too much and getting back too little. One of those two would help me feel better about this one...

  • jefe
    July 9, 2009 10:02 p.m.

    we'd still be too short to stop LA, Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland, Dallas, Orlando, etc. etc!!! We tried playing with two short centers and two short power forwards already -- it didn't work! why trade an incomplete player for another incomplete player? i don't understand the talk of dumping boozer for cap space. he's not the cap killer, it's AK!

  • jazzfizzle
    July 9, 2009 10:18 p.m.

    I say do it, what do you have to lose. If it doesn't work, we all know what eighth feel like. but if it does, then it will work out better for us. DO IT!

  • Okur
    July 9, 2009 10:27 p.m.

    has signed a 2 year extension. There is much that can be inferred.

    1. The Jazz are not worried about the cap.

    2. The do not seem to be worried about Millsap or they would have signed him first. Signing Okur first makes the Millsap negotiations more difficult.

    3. They obviously felt Okur is the C for the next 3 years. That may get him to a better economy. He will be past his prime.

    4. They do not think much of Koufos. The C was the one position they had bigs who could cover if Okur left.

    5. Sloan plans on coaching for 3 more years. Okur is Sloan's hand picked C and Koufos and Suton have similar characteristics. The Jazz are committed to unconventional Cs and the Sloan system.

    6. The Jazz will never get serious about defense. It will always just be talk and "fun and exciting".

    7. The Jazz are not serious about making the team better. They plan to dump Boozer for cap relief and keep doing what they have been doing.

    8. I am getting weary of this soap opera. The Jazz never change. They will never be a contender.

  • Anonymous
    July 9, 2009 10:33 p.m.

    I think the Jazz, or more properly the Larry H. Miller Group, are going into survival mode for the rest of the recession. Signing reasonably good players to relatively cheap contracts so that they will be a good enough team to compete for the playoffs. Going for a championship requires great players, not merely good cheap ones. Millsap and Okur fit that profile. Sad, but maybe this is what it takes to keep the Jazz in Utah.

  • If Boozer's gone!
    July 9, 2009 10:35 p.m.

    I can hardly wait to hear the crying and whining when fans in Jazzland finally realise just what they've lost!!

  • Jack
    July 9, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    Tyrus Thomas is AWESOME! I'll drop Booz for 2 blocks a game any day. I can't get rid of him fast enough. Mixed on the Okur situation, it is nice to have a big man that can step out and knock down a shot, but we would still need some bigger tougher defense down low. I think we need to do this trade, resign Milsap, and then pull Dikembe Mutombo out of retirement!

  • CJ3
    July 9, 2009 10:41 p.m.

    Re Okur:

    Disagree with #s 3,4,5,7 and 8.

    Don't underestimate our guys. The ones on and off the court. ;-)

  • Tyrus Thomas
    July 9, 2009 11:26 p.m.

    You thought AK was a lightweight? Thomas is the same height and even lighter.

    I guess if you are trading to get rid of salary that will work but other than that Thomas is a MASSIVE DOWNGRADE OF TALENT!!

    We will go from a pretty good team to very average in a hurry without boozer on the offensive end.

    The ultimate solution would have been to replace memo with a big interior defender who could cover for boozers defenive ineptness. Then you can defend enough and still have boozers offense. best of both worlds.

    tyrus thomas--get ready to lose.....ALOT!!!

  • Blauch
    July 9, 2009 11:49 p.m.

    If Boozer plays this season in a Jazz uniform the Jazz cannot resign Millsap. Millsap is right now playing better basketball than Boozer.

    The whole point of this move is to give get cap space and some value in with boozer. We don't want to take equal salaries. This allows the Jazz to resign Millsap, 7 million a year and we are a much better defensive team. Next move is trading Miles.

    The radio, the fans just don't get it. Boozer and the Jazz never met to talk contract extentions. The Jazz did not play Boozer the last 4th quarter in the game against LA. Boozer is gone.

  • RickyBobby
    July 9, 2009 11:51 p.m.

    It is just talk but since it was brought up: IF we can get Prizbilla & Fernandez from POR and Thomas from CHI, POR gets Hinrich, CHI gets Boozer. Then get it in writting ASAP. OKUR IS NOT A CENTER, put him at PF and play him like DAL uses Dirk. (Try it on the ESPN trade machine; it works. Those 3 match boozers $ exactly) Make this happen then work a deal with GS that sends AK for Turiaf & Maggette or send him to NO for Chandler. GS has wanted AK for a while. Either one of these and we instantly are in the top 5 defensive area.

    And for those worried about Thomas for Boozer; Boozer may average 20/10(when he plays), but he gave up that to whoever he was guarding. He is a true null player. I would take a guy that goes 11/7 with 2 steals and 2 blocks any day. Thomas will make people question going to the paint, something we havent had since AK lost his mind to those martians in Space Jam.
    HAHA Shawn Bradley, Barkley & Ewing in the same group.

  • Thomas
    July 9, 2009 11:54 p.m.

    Tyrus Thomas is in the last year of his contract too so what is the point for trading him for Boozer. You are going to have an expiring contract at the end of the season no matter what.

  • Anonymous
    July 10, 2009 12:02 a.m.

    Ricky Bobby - THE JAZZ DO NOT WANT TO TAKE BACK EQUAL SALARIES. They want to resign Millsap. People need to stop looking at offensive stats. Millsap is the better player - he plays better defenese.

  • Time will tell
    July 10, 2009 12:07 a.m.

    Blazers get the unbalanced trade they seek while not signing Millsap away from them. Jazz have to want PM much more than Booz because of chemistry issues and the fact PM is much younger. I could see the Blazers trying to force a trade with either Chicago for Hinrich or Prince from Detroit.

    If Portland gives an offer sheet to PM in the next 48 hours, no trade is happening and the Blazers are truly after Paul. If no offer sheet is extended... look for news of a multi team trade involving Portland, Utah and another team/teams.

  • jbra80
    July 10, 2009 12:07 a.m.

    People just don't get it do they? Boozer needs to be traded. I don't care what type of season he has next year. He is a cancer to this team. Remember how high everyone was on the Jazz last year right up until Booz came back? And what happened after that? Boozer can have a great year next year and the jazz still aren't good enough to compete with the top teams, so get rid of this me-first/no defense playing/constantly screaming for no apparent reason/injury prone while we can. If he leaves after next year we get nothing in return but the same bad taste in our mouths that Cleveland fans have. This trade would essentially be a trade for Millsap, Thomas, and possibly a young wing from portland. I'll take that for Boozer any day. Don't forget that we still have other players we can move before deadline to complete team, Harpring's contract, Korver, and possibly still AK.

    And Nick: That was a really awful trade proposal on the first page.

  • Utah's in no position to bargain
    July 10, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    Like it or not, the Jazz are in no position to bargain with Portland in keeping Paul Millsap. Portland can pay him, and force the Jazz to pay an additional near 9 million in tax. The Jazz are already over the cap by 3 mil, so KOC and company would be around 12 mil tax payers next year.

    That's something they want no part of no matter how much you wish it were different.

    The AK47 trade really hurt the Jazz cap. Booz will leave next year, and there will be many teams under the cap. In that scenario, Utah gets no compensation. In the Por/Chi deal they get roughly 8 mil in cap space and Tyrus Thomas. They also get to keep Millsap. If you're thinking the Jazz will get Pryzbilla, Rudy, Outlaw or anyone else, you're dreaming. Those players are too valuable, and Portland doesn't have to give them up to make Utah's life miserable. This is a power play by Portland. Either get involved in a sign and trade with us getting the player we want, or lose the player you want, and Boozer next season for no compensation.

  • Lets See the Benefits!
    July 10, 2009 12:33 a.m.

    Jazz want Millsap fairly cheap ($6 Mil) without bidding up against Portland. CHECK
    Millsap wants to start, not back up Boozer. CHECK
    Boozer wants out of Utah and the fans and organization want Boozer out of Utah. CHECK
    Thomas will be a very solid back up to Millsap and provide some good defense in certain match ups. Being a 3rd year player, also has a LOT of Upside potential. CHECK
    MOST IMPORTANTLY, This gets the Jazz down from the LUXURY TAX! Seems like a Genius trade when nobody predicted that was possible!
    Go Jazz! P.S. Jazz fans love Ronnie Price and the energy he brings, start playing him more Sloan!

  • Roman
    July 10, 2009 1:33 a.m.

    We need Boozer big time (Bulls) it's gonna be much stronger and smarter team like never before, specially with Rose , i hope we get him. Go Bulls

  • THEeyepatch
    July 10, 2009 1:52 a.m.

    Without Booz, the Jazz don't make the 8th seed at best. Worst case, lottery pick.

  • Anonymous
    July 10, 2009 3:43 a.m.

    I think the best trade would have been AK for Tmac, AK's defense is fine and helps but the shots he throws up that rarely go in really hurt us offensively. Tmac's defense wouldn't be as great as AK's, but I think his scoring ability would more then make up for it, as long as he could share the ball.

  • CJ3 Re: Boozer's offense
    July 10, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    Boozer's offense wasn't missed?

    Then maybe you can explain why the Jazz dropped to the 8th rated offense in the NBA, down from 1st and 3rd over the last 2 years when Boozer was healthy, even as Williams, Okur, Brewer, and Millsap all had their best offensive seasons yet.

  • THE SCORE
    July 10, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    0f the 89 post 88 want LOOZER gone. With those results we have 1 fooooool and LOCKE and his 1320 sheep who LOVE LOOZER. Those 1320 guys are so smart and EVERYONE else, so stupid.

    LOOZER can score, when a smaller guy is guarding him. But one block, one charge, one defensive stop, one defensive try would be nice. LOOZER plays defense like he has 4 fouls. Not to memtion he's over paid.

  • Boozers Gone-Period!
    July 10, 2009 8:43 a.m.

    This poor excuse of a man, a malcontent that is nothing more than me, me, me has worn a Jazz uniform for the last time, thank god. Any trade that removes cancer from a team is a GOOD trade. As for A.K. if Houston has interest in him I would seriously consider anything they want even if they are in our same division. Don't forget to throw Miles in on one of these deals either. I'm getting stoked about a new look team. Go Jazz.

  • hey oo
    July 10, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    Shallow fans hold off the noise on Boozer. You know who you are. Jerry wants him back and Jerry is the coach. you are white noise

    KOC calls people to save face and nothing more.

    Trade Boozer or Okur to LA for Odom and make this season meaningful.

  • fortydam
    July 10, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    Getting Boozer off the books is the main goal here. It not only eliminates his salary, it takes money off the luxury tax! We made it to the playoffs without Boozer. He is a great scorer, but gives up 30 points a night in the paint. With the defensive stiff Okur extending his contract, we really can't afford both of these guys defending the basket. Millsap average 17 points and 17 rebounds before seriously hurting his knee. He continued to play through it, giving us a better well rounded option at the four. AK as bad as he has been was an all star at the four for us. Much better than a three. So keeping Okur tells me we really need interior help.

    Dump Boozer for cap space, and or anything cheap to plug up the middle. Fez stinks, Almond stinks, Dump Matt he is way too old, sign Price, should have played him more last season. Collins yuck, but cheap! Play Kosta, Sign Millsap to 8-9 M five years.
    And get ready to be bounced by all of the big teams, because this small market team, has been left behind again. Any big shot blockers?

  • The GLADiator
    July 10, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    Does anyone remember how good we are with a healthy Boozer? O.K. so he said he was going to opt out. He didn't! He's been injured. How is that a crime? He' not Karl Malone. Nobody is. Karl get a pass for all the stupid comments he made, so why is Carlos a pariah?. Is Thomas better than Boozer? We'll be sorry!!!

  • Chadders
    July 10, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    This is hilarious, so many of the same people that talk about defense is what is needed for a ring are the same ones that suggest we keep Boozer and get rid of Okur and AK. So let me get this straight instead of getting rid of the laziest defender, we drop the best backside defender in the league and and average defending Center? That will help us get better on Defense how? We could have a GREAT defensive team. Dwill is ok, Brewer is very good, AK can be great, Thomas is great, and Okur is ok when he isn't with Booz. Good luck scoring on that group.

  • Comments
    July 10, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    1. If you want Thomas you can get him for Harp's contract.

    2. Boozer is worth a lot more and there is no hurry.

    3. Millsap's defense is not good enough and his offense is no where near Boozer's. Both are a defensive liability. Millsap can't handle the tall athletic PFs any better than Boozer. He just gets more fouls trying.

    4. The Jazz are in a great position to bargain. POR is not going to over pay Millsap. If they do it will hurt them.

    5. The Jazz just sent a clear signal they are not worried about the salary cap by giving Okur a raise. They also sent a clear signal that they are not that worried about resigning Millsap or they would not have done the Okur signing at this time.

    6. It will take more than 2 years to work out of this mess. Boozer has to be traded for real worth not just a dump.

    7. There was no right FA out there to replace Boozer. A good trade is necessary. That takes time.

    8. The Jazz keep talking about everyone back. I suspect Boozer would like to leave.

  • nick
    July 10, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    who do you think the jazz get then, they wont do the deal just for thomas. i see portland throwing in fernandez, batum, blake or prizbilla.its reported on radio stations chicago might include salmons and that would be huge for us if we got him and got rid of boozer and signed milsap

  • Apollo Sun
    July 10, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    Can someone explain to me one thing?!?

    Where do the Jazz plan on playing Tyrus Thomas?

    I like the guy. He is the defensive presence we need, can block, rebound... and, as people have pointed out, he has upside. BUT HE PLAYS AT POWER FORWARD!!!!
    The whole point of the trade seems to be to move Boozer (a PF), to make salary space for Millsap (another PF). Considering Okur is more of a PF (in size and style) than he is a natural C. That would mean we have Millsap, Thomas and Okur all playing PF. Now those assuming that Millsap will start at PF, are grossly overvaluing him. He has been a good backup to Boozer, cos he has what Booz clearly doesn't... heart. BUT he is no all-star! He has limited offensive skill, is quite slow and is undersized (compared to say Gasol)

  • Apollo Sun
    July 10, 2009 9:39 a.m.



    My next question is CAN TYRUS THOMAS PLAY AT SF?

    If people who have watched him more than me, can tell me that he would be able to, then this trade makes sense. If not, then we have a logjam of DECENT PF's, no real C, and no scoring threat other than DWill!

  • James
    July 10, 2009 9:53 a.m.

    Jazz get Thomas and Fernandez or Outlaw from portland. I'd prefer Rudy because he can score and would fit perfect in the Jazz system. Chicago gets Boozer who cares!!!!!! Jazz retain Milsap! Then do the Tmac for Ak trade by throwing in Harps contract because he might retire anyways. If jazz make some moves to better themselves like i know they will then the Utah Jazz will be the 1 team in the west that can take out lakers if they work hard. Denvers season was a 1 year fluke! Jazz will be back and healthy! Dwill makes players better so watch out HERE COMES THE JAZZ!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    July 10, 2009 9:53 a.m.

    Trade boozer, ak, miles, and suton or fez to the bobcats and bring in bell, okafor, diaw, and gerald wallace...overall the team gets a ton better...you get something for boozer, you get rid of ak's contract, you give them a kid with upside in miles but no work ethic and then suton or fez to round it off...

  • CommonSense
    July 10, 2009 9:57 a.m.

    The only trade the Jazz should make is trading AK and Matt to the Rockets for TMac. I am not a TMac fan but consider:
    Some insurance on TMac contract if he doesn't play
    TMac contract expiring
    What killed us in the Laker series was Kobe's help defense because he left Brewer alone (and not having Memo). If TMac is healthy by then, he would definitely open up the offense down low and allow more penetration by Deron.

    I am actually pretty high on next year with this crew if we remain healthy. Korver should have a better shooting year.

  • Are you crazy nick
    July 10, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    why on earth would chicago give up john salmons... he is the only scoring threat the bulls have after ben gordon left

    PS your trade idea was horrific

  • The problem with Boozer
    July 10, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    and Okur back is no interior defense. Both are good on offense. Boozer made comments he should not have but is not relevant. Boozer is injury prone but Millsap is an adequate back up.

    However, that whole system, that approach has become to expensive to maintain. It has to be changed and the Jazz have to maintain the offense while getting better defense.

    Okur, Boozer and Millsap are all replaceable. Okur is staying for 3 years. That means Boozer and/or Millsap will have to be replaced with better defense. That takes an artful trade not a dump.

    Look at what Dallas just did with Stackhouse's 7 Mill contract. Now that is good GM work. Boozer is a good/great player compared to Stackhouse and he provides 13 Mill to work with.

    The Jazz have a defense problem. The contenders rank highest in FG defense. The Jazz are in the middle of the pack.

    That has to be solved by player changes (or a coaching change) before the Jazz can contend.

    As an organization the Jazz do not make enough changes. They over pay because of the emphasis on continuity and no change.

  • Blauch
    July 10, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    Apollo Sun

    Millsap started 31 games last season and averaged 16 and 10. That does not seem very limited considering Boozer at 24 only averaged 17ppg

    Last Feb the Jazz averaged 107 ppg without Boozer where they won 10 out of 11. They have no problem scoring.

    Tyrus Thomas may not even stay with the Jazz. This trade is to cut Boozer Salary so the Jazz can resign Millsap. Of Course the Jazz want to get something of value in return.

    That being said with Thomas the Jazz can run Millsap at Center (last season he played over 700 minutes at Center - and he was just fine), Thomas at PF and AK a Small Forward. They combined last year about 4.5 blocks a game last year.

    Jazz sends Boozer to Chicago - (12.5 million)
    Chicago sends Tyrus to Utah and Heinrich to Portland (14 million)
    Because Portland is 8 million dollars under the cap and they are taking 9.5 million dollars in salary they need to shed 2 million and send Bayless, Fernandez, Outlaw or Webster to Chicago.

    I don't think this is the last trade - I believe that Miles will also be gone.

  • James
    July 10, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    Actually come to think of it Webster would be an awesome fit in the Jazz system also! But yeah honestly Tmac would bring so much to the jazz! Everyone forgets he gets injured because he does so much. By coming to the jazz he would play in a system and not have to work hard to make his team win compared to Houston. He would provide the jazz a player besides Dwill that can create his own shot with ease. Overall i say if jazz get the boozer deal done they better pull the Tmac deal. Tmac is not washed up look how Amare came back after knee injury. Jazz would be set!

  • CommonSense
    July 10, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    It seems almost 3/4 of all player contracts expire next year. Should be interesting.

  • Dear Trade Gurus
    July 10, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    All of you need to remember, a trade requires the other team also wanting to do the deal. Everyone talks about getting rid of AK's contract. That would required someone wanting to take on AK for that price. In the perfect world for jazz fans the Raptors would trade Bosh for Booze, and the Rockets would trade TMac for AK. Unfortunately, it takes two teams to complete a deal.

    We should trade AK for Lebron. Idiots.

  • Finances
    July 10, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    The Jazz would be wise to be very careful on the financial side. This recession is going to be very long. It may well collapse again in 2010. The cap will be much lower in 2010 and 2011.

    Expiring contracts present a great opportunity to remake the Jazz into a contender by improving the defense while maintaining the offense. That will need to be done over 2 years or more now that Okur has extended.

    As far as the Miller empire losing money, it mainly depends on their fixed cost structure. On the dealerships it is partly a matter of controlling inventory costs. If they have low fixed costs and hold down inventory costs they can survive a couple of years of 60% sales/revenues.

    They will have interest expense on the locations/buildings. If that is low enough then they have to control interest expense on inventory. They should have already reduced inventory.

    I suspect that the Miller group is in okay shape. They may also have each dealership as a separate entity (LLC). Weaker dealerships could be jettisoned without effecting the stronger ones.

  • Liabilities
    July 10, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    The offense that Boozer brings when he comes to play is great... but the fact he has missed 1 of every 3 games he should have been able to play takes away even more of his scoring threat if you factor in the inconsistency that missed games brings, and him having to play catchup just to regain his stamina reduces his production to 1 of every 3 games... far too much salary for someone that is that much of a drag. Unless he can play a full season like 2 years ago, a trade needs to happen.
    I don't know if i like this trade, but I don't think it is the only one the Jazz will explore. As far as keeping Okur... I think it is a good idea as he spreads the floor and provides more offense than any other player on the team. I like the idea of playing him as PF and perhaps then using a bulked up Kufos as center, and bringing whomever is brought in off the bench.
    NO matter what happens, I am always excited to see what the new season brings. GO JAZZ!!!

  • Cap Space
    July 10, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    Cap space is at a premium right now. Every $ of cap space is worth 2$ to teams in the lux tax.

    POR is not going to blow that on Millsap. They need a PG and know that they can use their cap space to get one of the best in the up coming fire sales. In the next 6 months POR can steal a PG using their cap space.

    70% of the teams will be in the lux tax in 2010 and maybe a higher percentage in 2011. Cap space will be even more valuable.

    That will drive the price of good players down as teams stuck with expensive overpaid "stars" on long term contracts fire sale younger talent.

    The Jazz have to stop spending too much on old players. They obviously did not learn.

    The Jazz need to position for 2 years of falling caps. They need to get better on defense while maintaining the offense. They had 33 million to work with. They already blew a 10 million of that.

    I hate to say the Jazz are dumb but I can't say they are smart until I get some evidence of it.

    Same pattern as always.

  • Hank McCoy
    July 10, 2009 10:51 a.m.

    re: STEVE-O | 5:20 p.m. July 9, 2009

    >>Just glad to know they're gonna dump Boozer. I just don't like watching the guy play basketball, or talk afterwards.

  • Rumors from Boozer's Agent
    July 10, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    The only legitimate "rumor" which was confirmed by the Blazer's GM is that the Blazers want Millsap. Isn't it a funny coincidence that the day a big trade for Millsap is confirmed, the somehow an unsubstantiated "bigger" trade regarding Boozer gets floated around. It's like "don't pay attention to Millsap, watch Boozer!". And nobody is confirming these ridiculous trade rumors. In fact O'Connor was on a plane from Orlando to SLC... how could there have been any talk with him??? I think it's all drummed up by Boozer's agent to try to keep his boy in the spot light.

  • nick
    July 10, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    re:anonymous

    jazz get:derrick brown, played awesome in summer league;emaka okafor;gerald wallace;raja bell

    bobcats get: boozer;ak;cj;first round pick

  • Jazzfan101
    July 10, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    These 3 Trades need to happen:
    Trade #1:
    Utah: Gets Thomas and Greg Oden
    Portland: Gets Hinrich, Fesenko, Noah
    Chicago: Boozer
    Trade #2:
    Utah: Gets Tyson Chandler
    NO: Gets Turiaf, Maggette
    GS: Gets AK, Koufos, just through him in to get rid of a center to make room for oden.
    Trade #3:
    Utah: Gets T-Mac
    Houston: Gets Collins, Miles, Knight, keep Matt dont trade him, and make T-Mac earn his starting spot and battle it out with Matt, it will make him work harder. Resing Milsap for cheap. So Jazz get Thomas, Oden, Chandler, T-Mac. Utah Jazz starting line up Williams, Brewer, T-Mac, Okur at PF, Chandler at Center. plus your bench is stacked with Thomas, Oden, Milsap, Price, Matt, Korver, Maynor. Wow can someone say Champions for sure!

  • Nellie will Trade
    July 10, 2009 11:08 a.m.

    Give him Boozer, A.K., & Miles for Biedrins, Maggette, Turiaf, & Wright, the money works and so does the sense of it. NOW we are ready to play.

  • jbra80
    July 10, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    Apollo sun: Who are these decent PF's you speak of? Under scenario we get Millsap back, that's 1. AK plays 4 positions so he doesn't really count. You can't be counting Kosta or Suton, can you? So really, we'd have Millsap with Thomas backing him up, quite the log jam huh?

    And to the trade guru post: The Rockets were the team looking into the AK for McGrady trade. If the article was correct, we backed out of talks. It makes sense for both teams, especially with Harp's contract thrown in. Without Yao, the Rockets are going to have to go to a defensive minded team that focuses on ball-movement on offense, like Adelman's offense in Sacramento. They'd have Ariza/Battier/Kirilinko at the 2/3/4 positions. Pretty good D.

    Let's just hope the Jazz do something to improve team and gain flexibility next year

  • Boozer Bandwagon:Don't Trade
    July 10, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    This will be the best trade that was never made. What does Tyrus Thomas do for us other than give us a chance to keep Milsap and save some money? We are much better off with Boozer than with Tyrus Thomas and Milsap combined. Boozer will stay healthy this year and give us the best chance at a title - who wants to rebuild?

  • STEVE-O
    July 10, 2009 11:49 a.m.

    To James:

    Tmac doesn't HAVE to work that hard in Houston either. He chooses to take all the pressure on himslef. He feels like he needs to score 35 points every game in order for his team to win. Then he gets hurts and the Rockets excelled without him.

    Tmac will never be a team player, and as a result will always overwork and always be hurt. We don't need a guy like that on the team. Also, he's going to be out until Midseason minimum so we'd be trading AK for esentially nobody.

    The only reason the Jazz should trade AK for Tmac would be to shorten that ugly contract by one year. They'd basically be throwing in the towel on the 2009 season with hopes of signing some players during next year's free agency.

  • Apollo Sun
    July 10, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    To: 'Blauch | 10:16 a.m. July 10, 2009'

    Are you joking? First of all you compare Millsap's best production, to Boozer's worst (when he had just come back from injury). Why not compare him to Boozer's stats from the season before (when he was healthy) which was 21.1 pts and 10.4 rebounds.

    Millsap is already 24, so he's not gonna have much more upside.... well at least not that much more than a 27 year old Boozer! His baskets come mostly from simple dunks or putbacks under the basket. While Boozer has a vast array of shots to hit teams with.

    Point is, as much as i agree that trading Boozer for the right guys makes sense. Don't be under any illusions that Millsap is a better player!

    And NO.... at 6'8'' he most definitely can't play at Center!!!!!!!!! Ridiculous comment!

  • Boozer
    July 10, 2009 11:55 a.m.

    may be valuable when he plays. When does he play? A great player always injured isn't very valuable. So the Jazz get Thomas... the Jazz don't sacrifice much to get cap space.

    It's a business, folks. Gotta make the deals you think will make money (or not lose money) in the long run.

  • Anonymous
    July 10, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Here's a trade idea

    3 team trade with utah golden state and charlotte

    Jazz get turiaf, maggette, okafor, and gerald wallace

    golden state gets boozer fensenko ajinca and suton possibly

    charolette gets kirlenko harpring and miles...

    THis trade works with everyone's contracts and everything. You get more inside presence with turiaf and okafor, athleticism from maggette and wallace along with scoring and rebounding.

  • ncjazzfan
    July 10, 2009 12:38 p.m.

    If the Jazz somehow ended up with Pryzbilla, Thomas and Fernendez by loosing only Boozer and maybe Fez..........that would be great. Millsap and Pryzbilla would cover Boozers points.....and the interior defense would be greatly improved. When Fernandez played against that Jazz last year he was very good. Very poised and just gave you the impression that he could do what he wanted. Not sure why his playing time seems to have decreased later in the year.....but I'd be happy if the Jazz ended up with those 3 players.

  • Chadders
    July 10, 2009 12:38 p.m.

    Ok stick with me here a second I just came up with a stat I would call actuall average. Basically you would generally expect a player to play about 75 of your 82 games a year on average(92%). If they play more it is like a bonus and less it would hurt their stats. So to be fair I only used the last 3 seasons for Boozer (2 of those are his best seasons).
    year 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09
    games played 74 81 37
    ave points 20.9 21.1 16.2
    ave rebounds 11.7 10.4 10.4
    total points 1549 1708 599
    total rebs 867 844 385
    actual ave points 20.7 22.8 8
    actual ave rebs 11.6 11.3 5.1
    actual ave all 3 years combined
    17.1 points & 9.3 rebs

    Boozer should be a 3rd guy. He isn't terrible but he's not quite a 20 and 10 guy. By the traditional average he is but by what you'd expect to get he isn't. Good player but not great.

  • Hello
    July 10, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    Anonymous,
    You should really try to undestand how trades work. You have to give another team something of value for them to give you what you want. The Bobcats will not give you a bunch of the key players for nothing. Unless, the GM there want to get fired.

  • STEVE-O
    July 10, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    @ Nick..

    HA HA hA! You're trades are great! I love your sarcastic humor. I wanna try one:

    Jazz Get: 3 racks of Basketballs, some used underarmor, Batum.

    Blazers Get: DWill, AK, Boozer, and a 1st round Pick.

    or Maybe.....

    Jazz Get: Raja Bell, Greg Ostertag out of retirement, and a few Bobcats Cheerleaders.

    Bobcats Get: Boozer, Ak, Memo, and throw in a 1st round pick for kicks! This is fun!!

  • BullsFan
    July 10, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    Mr. Paxson DO NOT make this trade! As a Bulls fan in Utah, I have watched Boozer do nothing but sit the bench with injuries and when he is in the line up, he under performs. The Boozer who could get you 25 and 10 on any given night is long gone. Tyrus Thomas is an athletic freak and I expect in the next year or so, he will come into his own as a dominant post player who can also extend defenses and cause match up problems. I can't stand Boozer and if my Bulls make this trade, it will do nothing but set them back and for what??? A cry baby, injury proned cancer who might play 25-30 games. No thanks!

  • James
    July 10, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    Tmac still would excell in a jazz uniform! He doesn't trust his teammates in houston see in utah he has proven winners and would realize he is coming to an already good team! Plus Sloan wouldn't let him play like he does in houston and so he would do good with the jazz.

  • Deth
    July 10, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    I am so sick of this rumor already...when I know nothing is actually going down.

    Plus..reading some of all these posts with all the stupid trade ideas...most of you sound like 2nd graders. Lets trade Collins for LBJ...that works right?

  • Building on anonymous
    July 10, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    k here is a trade possiblitly i see for the jazz that actually works with the contracts...

    4 team blockbuster

    Jazz get corey maggette ronny turiaf from g.s, thomas from chicago, gerald wallace and ajinca from bobcats...

    golden state gets kirlenko and harpring from jazz, boris diaw from bobcats, and larry johnson from chicago

    bobcats get heinrik from chicago, korver from jazz, wright from g.s and beindris from g.s

    chicago gets boozer and miles from jazz, augistin from bobcats, and davidson from g.s that puts the jazz starting five something like

    williams
    maggete
    wallace...
    okur
    turiaf

    with
    brewer, thomas, fez, millsap and maynor with the main subs. for the jazz

    it seems like a good one that everyone benefits in some way and the bulls actually get even more cap room coming into next year with the expiring contracts they would take on and getting rid of heinriks 3 year deal...jazz get a solid core that would be there for the next 3 years

  • re: Tyrus
    July 10, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    What does Thomas bring to the Jazz you ask...exactly what Boozer does not bring...defense! TT averaged about the same number of blocks per game as Okur, Boozer and AK combined in less minutes.

  • James
    July 10, 2009 2:45 p.m.

    Thomas brings talent! He can hit a jump shot and attack the rim with quickness! Has anyone seen his block on Bosh and then on the next play dunked on J'Oneal? Enough Said! As far as for defense he straight up blocked Lebron so there is alot of defense in this kid, Jazz should pull the trigger and get Webster from Portland why there at it! I remember him lighting up the Jazz for 24 points in 1 quarter he has upside!

  • Blauch
    July 10, 2009 3:29 p.m.

    Apollo Sun -

    Did you even watch the Jazz last season. Millsap played 700 minutes last season as Center. 700 Minute he was on the court without Okur, Fess, Collins or Koufas. 300 of those minutes were with AK (AK did not play center) and 400 minutes with Boozer (Boozer does not play Center).

    I compared Boozer production when he was 24 to Millsaps production when he was 24. SAME AGE. (Actually I used his 23 year old production 17 and 9 - when he was 24 he averaged 16 points 8 rebounds a game)

    I would love to compare Boozer 21.1 ppg when he was 26 to Millsap 26 year production - but Millsap is not 26. No one knows what it will be.

    Power Forwards peak in scoring (meaning their highest ppg) comes when they are 27 or younger - Boozer turns 28 in November. While Millsap is over 3 years younger (he turned 24 in February) -

    To say Millsap will not improve. It took Boozer 5 year to get to 20 points a game - How can anyone say Millsap won't become a 20 ppg.

  • Miles
    July 10, 2009 3:53 p.m.

    Has anyone noticed that most big guys in the league don't score or can't shoot. Exceptions are Duncan and Gasol. Most teams get their scoring from the outside except Jerry's teams. So for that reason, Boozer does not have many options for the money he is demanding. Most bigs in the league are for rebounding and defense. Not for scoring. The Jazz on the other hand look for their bigs to score and play no defense. Just backwards from the rest of the league. No wonder we don't have any banners here in Utah.

  • Anonymous
    July 10, 2009 6:39 p.m.

    I don't think this is really about Boozer vs. Millsap. I think this is about going cheap, locking in a decent PF at a cheap price. I'd rather they let them both go and look for someone who is both healthy and a great player, even if costs more. That seems a much better option than locking in someone cheap but not great for the long term. I think there is no more desire to win a championship, only a desire to survive a recession.

  • CJ3
    July 10, 2009 7:35 p.m.

    Hate to break it to ya, Blauch, but every time Memo leaves the floor Boozer slides to the 5, and Millsap plays the 4. That's when all were playing.

    It's also one of the reasons Boozer's defense appears worse that it actually is...he gets the opposing team's toughest post assignment.

  • Apollo Sun
    July 11, 2009 5:33 a.m.

    Thank you CJ3

    Blauch, you may have watched the Jazz last year, but you clearly don't understand what you're seeing if you thought that Millsap was playing Center.

    The point is that Okur/Koufos/Fess will rotate at 5. Millsap and Thomas will probably play the 4. My original point was that receiving a backup for Millsap (who isn't exactly an all-star YET) for Boozer (who is a two-time all-star) doesn't make sense. Yes salary wise it keeps us under the cap, but unless we can play Thomas at 3, and have Millsap and him on the floor at the same time, i think there are better options out there. Try not to blindly love all things Millsap and instead think constructively!

  • CJ3
    July 11, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    My pleasure, Apollo.

  • jbra80
    July 11, 2009 11:32 a.m.

    To CJ3: How many centers out there really are their teams toughest post player? Count them up, i'd love to hear how many tough centers there are in the league.

    To Miles: How many championship teams has their been w/o an offense run through their 4 or 5. Every Laker championship team was run through their post, sure they have Kobe but Phil Jackson runs it through their bigs to keep Kobe from being selfish and screwing it up. The Spurs, the Heat, every championship team except for Jordan's teams have had dominant big guys. True most have had a great guard or wing player but you have to have both and you have to play inside/out. Why do you think Cleveland couldn't get past Orlando, they had nobody to guard the 4/5 positions or more to the point, Orlando's 4/5's didn't have to guard anyone. I agree we need more D out of our bigs though, thats a good point. Maybe we just run everything through CJ next year and everything will work out.

  • non-fan
    July 11, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    What the Jazz need to do is trade all the players and fold. These guys are all way over paid. They are generally spoiled brats with egos wider than the state. And the fans who follow them so closely need to get a life and spend their time and money on things that really matter in life.

  • todd from santa ana
    July 11, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    the frustration and anger in me increases almost on a second by second basis.

    How does Kevin O Connor sleep at night?

    How does Greg Miller?

    They take the fans for "granted"

    I am humiliated to tell others as I am a Jazz fan

    Watching other teams get better. Players staying here opting in is bad enough. Mehmout is not a true center. If he played #4 maybe. However, we could have either Snoozer or Millsap/Thomas


    I do not believe any trade will happen. It has been a few days now and no new rumors or real news anywhere.

    O Connor was in Orlando.

    O Connor does not have the intelligence or creativity to do sign and deal moves, trading for cap relief.

    The Jazz are in serious trouble

    Signing Okur to an extension as a time with cap changes and just focused on damage control is beyond stupid. It is same ol dumb decisions

    The next dumbest is SLoan possibly being here for several more years.

    I do not believe he will leave in 1 year, what else does he have to do?

    Everything-players picked starts with real GM

    Sloan and his "worthless Sloanaholics"..

  • Cj3
    July 11, 2009 11:24 p.m.

    I'd be happy to J bra (bra?! Really?...)! OK, shall we start in the West, with the requested "quality centers?" Feel free to debate the merits of them.

    Last season there was Shaquille O'Neal, the All-Star co-MVP, Marcus Camby (former DPoY and shotblocking specialist), Pau Gasol (played more minutes at the 5 than starter Bynum), and one of the fellas many Jazz fans seem to want, Joel Przybilla. Nene Hilario, or another fan fav trade wannabe, Tyson Chandler, Tim Duncan, Andris Biedrins (bet you know nothing about him... but you should), or Yao Ming???

    Those are some quality 5-spot big men right there. Really, if you wanna go East, just lemme know...brah.

  • jbra80
    July 12, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    So Gasol, Yao and Duncan were the tough matchups defensively for a PF playing C about 5-10 minutes a game. Nene is a PF playing C, Chandler has no offensive game except for catching oops, Camby has no offensive game, Biedrins and Przybilla are just big stiffs on offense. You make me feel better about Memo as our Center. Poor Boozer, no wonder we think he can't play D. Let's go east!

  • CJ3
    July 13, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    The Jazz switch on D in the post all the time, partly because Okur is slowto rotate, and partly by design. Boozer plays the bulk of the minutes on Gasol and Duncan, 2 of the premier post-men in the league. Memo does get Yao, maybe because both have such slow feet.

    Your Memo comment pulled a smile out of me. Funny.

    Boozer doesn't play the bulk of the minutes on the rest of the players named, but I did want to point out that there are quality 5s out there, and Booz will get the switch on em quite often. Biedrins has upped his offensive production every year.

    Booz gets Aldridge, West, and forget the Clipshow, they're irrelevant, and does a great job on em.

    Don't forget to defend Shaq's offense vs Booz.

    East comin, after worky time.

  • jbra80
    July 13, 2009 7:24 p.m.

    You make some alright points, but that doesn't make me feel any better about Booz's D. No excuses, he just doesn't try hard enough.

    As for Shaq, I forgot about him but he is a shell of his former self, probably still too much for Booz, but his size causes problems for everybody.

    Sorry no free pass for Booz, you have to play both ends of the floor.

    I'm glad you like the Memo comment. On that list of players he's a border line all-star depending on injuries, and i'm not a big Memo fan.

  • CJ3
    July 14, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    Shaq had a resurgent, All-Star season, and it could be argued Booz did the better job on him, defensively, than anyone else.

    That said, Boozer's D is much better vs guys he can get his strong body up under. Against the quicker bigs he really struggles, exposing the front of the hoop for the opposing offenses. Memo's lack of quickness further exposes the Jazz's D at the rim.

    I agree wholeheartedly about Okur. The deal for 2 years was the right one.

    Out East for a moment...
    Dwight Howard, at the Summer Olys, said Boozer was his best defensive competition in working on his offensive post game. That is out of anyone on his Orlando team, and anyone in Beijing.

    That includes Bosh and Tayshaun Prince, 2 guys that many fans want to trade for.

    Booz should be at his best this year. And on his best behavior.

  • jbra80
    July 14, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    I'm not saying he's not capable of playing D, he just seems unwilling. I know coach k requires you to play d at Duke, so maybe playing around him at the Olympics did it for him. If his payday next year won't do it, nothing will. I just don't want to see him walk after next year for nothing.

  • CJ3
    July 14, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    Agreed. I'd take Salmons off of the Bulls hands any day.