sounds like a solid kid. will all these other schools back off b/c of the
mission like they do in football? stanford has been willing to deal with
missions in the past but they have a new staff. you would think with tyler haws,
chris c and a few others BYU might have an edge but you never know. good luck
young man. ASU is not a bad choice due to the LDS presence. Virginia and Kansas,
not so much. Virginia is a nice area but....too far away for parents to see you
play. Kansas is kansas. not much to write home about. now if Kentucky was
calling, different story. same with Duke as they have the best basketball coach
in the world in coach K.
Not living in Utah, I would recommend that this kid, if he stays in state attend
Utah. He has a better chance of turning pro if he attend's Utah rather than BYU
(good team for team players who are not as athletically gifted) or Utah State
(same reason as above). Boylen seems to be building a solid team w/some really
athletic kids coming in. If he brings the Michigan State mentality and
athleticism, they will be tops in their conference. Either way, go where your
dreams will take you...meaning if Kansas is where you dream of playing...go and
play...remember though, Kansas will have 2 or 3 of your type players...Do not
attend a school due to pressure from friends/family...my 2 cents.
This is an interesting situation. A good player, who can choose BYU, then play
and be a star, or go to a big name school and ride the bench. Think Bret
Vroman. The former gives a player the chance to develop, the latter gives the
player the opportunity to be used by the school with little in return
He'll end up at BYU. It is extremely rare for a recruit that has grown up in
Utah County to go anywhere else but BYU. It has been ingrained in his mind from
a very young age. If I was the other schools, I wouldn't waste the time and
travel expenses to court this kid when the outcome is all but certain.
If the kid has the brain power to be recruited by Stanford, next year plan on
contacting him by phone @ area code 650 or my written correspondance at zip code
Collinsworth will do the same thing that 99% all Utah County LDS kids do who are
good enough to play D1. He'll let the big programs wine and dine him, then
commit to BYU. Then make a public statement saying that BYU was always where he
wanted to play. It gets old after a while.
I too would be shocked to see a kid from Utah county spread wings and fly. Look
for him as a Cougar next year.But, Chris. Stanford has the best
campus in the country. Kansas has the best or 2nd best game atmosphere in all of
basketball. Charlottesville is an absolutely beautiful city. Each
place on your list has a good LDS community and great singles wards. Don't let
BYU fool you into believing that the church only exists in Provo. You may be
meant for bigger things than MWC competition.
If the kid wants to go the NBA he'd pick Utah State and let Stew coach him. Not
only would he be playing for the best basketball program in the State but Stew
has proven his mettle as a teacher by taken unheralded recruits to levels that
no other school thought they would reach.Of course I expect him to
stick to YBU and go nowhere like Cummard and the red headed kid who failed
miserably in Italy while Jaycee tore the league up.I know Stew
doesn't have any NBA'rs but he hasn't had any big time recruits either. I know
that's not on Collinston's radar though.
Before you make up your mind, come to the BYU vs USU game in the Spectrum. USU
is the one of best college basketball atmospheres in the country! You would not
regret going to USU, I promise you!
Apparently he has learned a lot from playing against top competition this
summer. He may want to continue to play against the very best in college - and
that would mean trying his hand outside of the MWC. I love the MWC. But if you
are one of the top players you may want to play against the best. It's why kids
go to USC even though they know there are 3 other all-americans at their
position. It worked will for kids like Havili. But it is only one of the factors
that he has to take into consideration. I hear a lot about singles wards and
institute programs at BCS schools and some (like ASU and UCLA) do have strong
one's. But if a big part of a kid's future decision is finding and marrying an
LDS girl then there really is no substitute for playing at BYU or Utah or even
USU. But if he really wants a shot at the NBA and to play against the very best
then the girls may have to wait. He can always come home to Provo for the summer
and have the best of both worlds.
I agree. Remember Daniel Deane, Chris Burgess, etc? No one does. Fact of the
matter is that you can go to a national program and ride the pine or go to your
backyard program and be a star while fulfilling four years of basketball in
which you play. He says he wants the ball in his hands? How will that happen at
a national program immediately? I would love to see him succeed out of state,
but the numbers aren't in his favor. BYU has done a great job stealing local
recruits and winning ballgames with them.
I would normally say that he should stay around here and get some playing time
early on but having seen him play I can honestly say that he may be one of the
five best players ever to come out of Utah. If he can learn to hit a fairly
consistent (35-45%) 20 footer he would be very much a five star recruit. Right
now he is limited to playing the 1 because he doesn't shoot well enough to play
the 2 and he is not physical enough to play the 3 in college. If he gets that
20 foot jumper down pat he would be an awesome 1 because he is so fast to the
hoop once he makes his move - that first step is quick and he is gone. He sees
the floor really well and his instincts are great. Get that 20-22 footer down
and go to Stanford young man. What program wouldn't want a legit 6-7 point who
can see floor and shoot the lights out?
A better chance of going pro at BYU? I don't think his school selection has any
weight on making it to the NBA. Besides the last Cougar to go pro was a major
bust. The best NBA player to come out of BYU was Danny Ainge and that's
practically ancient history much like BYU's national title. If he is NBA
calliber talent, he'll find his way to the NBA regardless of the team he plays
Utah State offers one the best and most stable coaching staffs in the country,
the best (hands down) college basketball environment, and the ability to make an
immediate impact. Choose USU...you will love it! Go Aggies!
Thanks, Aggies and Utes, for the input, but I don't think you've taken a look at
the win-loss record among BYU, USU, and Utah over the past three years.As for which school is best for getting to the NBA, frankly, the NBA wants
good players and doesn't care what school they come from.Realistically, what are the chances that this kid will make it in the NBA
anyway. He needs to make his decision based solely on his college career--where
he can get the most playing time, have the ball in his hands, get a good
education, and let his family enjoy his games. (There are wonderful LDS women to
marry and good Institute programs at all the schools he's mentioned, so that
shouldn't be a factor.)
but having seen him play I can honestly say that he may be one of the five best
players ever to come out of Utah. anonWow, how did he compare to
Vern Gardner and Wayne Hightower? Was he as good in the clutch as Scott Runia
or Jimmy Soto? Bruce Hardy ended up playing f football but he was an excellent
forward who always delivered when you got him the basketball down low. I mean,
you've seen all these guys and many more I'm sure. Please give us
He is a first cousin to Logan Kinghorn who played at ISU. His Mother is from
Rigby, Idaho. Maybe he will surprise everyone and end up in Pocatello????
Did you just say Kansas was not much to write home about? I'm sorry did you
forget that they won the National Title two years ago and are they consensus
preseason #1 this upcoming year? I know Bill Self won't scoff at a two-year
mission. Brady Morningstar (supposedly) is a member and served a mission and he
is one of Bill Self's highest regarded players. If Kansas really wants Kyle,
and BYU still gets him, that will be a recruiting victory for the record books.
I remember when Kiki Vandeweigh wanted to win a natonal championship, so he
chose UCLA over BYU. He had a stellar career, but got nowhere close to a NC.
Meanwhile, BYU went to the sweet 16 without Kiki. I believe that, had he chosen
to go to BYU, he would have had a real shot at his NC. The talent
level at BYU is rising fast, and they have an outstanding couching staff that
developes guards very well. They will win more of the big games in the future.
IMO, kyle would be well served to attend BYU. He will be part of some great
things, and may get some "Ainge-esque" attention from the basketball world. I
think he may be that good.
Best of luck to the Collinsworth brothers. Chris is an exciting big with great
potential at BYU. Naturally Kyle would fit in perfectly with the BYU system.
It's a great program, with great coaches, great tradition, great standards, and
great opportunities. It's a great college family. Certainly, we BYU fans hope to
see the Collinsworth connection at BYU. Anyone who doesn't think that would be
awesome, is short-sighted by their rivalry against BYU--plain and simple.But Kyle would be a welcome contributer to many programs. So it doesn't
have anything to do with being from Utah County, or which school in Utah or
somewhere else gives the best chance for the NBA. If a style of play fits then a
college player of NBA quality will get noticed wherever they play. College is what you make it, wherever you go. Schools tout many varied things.
But coming from someone who grew up all over the United States, look no further
than your own backyard for the best all around college experience opportunity
available; all things considered, BYU truly offers more to develop a
well-rounded individual than any other place I know.
You mean USU's 81-27 record over the last three years....? That is pretty
impressive- You're right! Thanks for pointing that out!!
Hansen has twice the overseas career that Jaycee Carroll will ever have.
If it doesn't work out you can always come back to Utah.. You only have this
opportunity once in your life why not go to the best you can. If you had a
chance to go to Yale Law school or Stanford Medical school would you even think
twice. Why not do the same with athletics. don't let anyone on here that has
never done anything athleticly tell you to settle. Utah, BYU and Utah State do
have nice programs.. If your looking for nice go for it, if your looking for
greatness get out of here. Other Utah athletes have done it, they have won NCAA
titles at schools outside of Utah, they have gone pro and they have done it all.
Don't let people tell you, you wont play if you go anywhere else. That's a
losers way of looking at your ability.Great athletes believe they can play
Perhaps I should clarify - I meant Utah high school products - Wayne Hightower
was from Philadelphia and Vern Gardner played high school basketball in Wyoming.
I would have to say that for Utah high school players you would have to go with
Fred Roberts, Tom Chambers, Danny Vranes, Devin Durrant, Shawn Bradley, Josh
Grant...that caliber of player...Collinsworth would be in that mix. Soto and
Runia were good, very good but Collinsworth could be better - he has more
potential upsides than either of those two. I would compare him, at this point,
to Devin Durrant. Collinsworth is a different type of player than Durrant.
Durrant was a better shooter but Collinsworth is quicker and a better athlete.
Please any one with a brain would take UCLA over BYU if they were looking to win
a NCAA championship.So it didn't work out for Kiki, he still made the
logical choice. How do you choose a school that has never been in the finals to
a school that has one 10 titles if your trying to win one. very poor
Kiki did come close to winning a national title at UCLA, they lost in the
championship game to Louisville by 5. That is not what I would classify as
"nowhere close to a National Championship" as you stated. Please check your
facts. I love BYU, but I am also realistic, Kiki was also the 11th pick in the
1980 draft, that is pretty good, I think other than winning a NC at UCLA he
basically accomplished his goals, so you can't say he made the wrong choice for
him, maybe for BYU, but not for him.
To Des.New's Jim Rayburn... What is his height/weight? What position does he
play? You might want to include such basic info in future articles.
Be like the other recent studs from Utah. Havili USC, Xavier UCLA, Martinez
USC, Cottonwood RB to Cal, Lloyd Stanford, heck even Badger to ND, Wilcox
Washington, etc etc etc. It is a big, exciting world. Take your game to a
bigger stage. Everyone outside of Utah (if you announced to stay here) would
immediately follow it up with...WHY? People will argue that the level of play
is just as good here. But in all reality, it isnt close. Top to bottom the Mtn
West is a mediocre. Wy, Colo St, etc. Stanford is an awesome place young man.
Pac 10 is where I would go, like the others before you did. You are bigger than
Utah, for better or worse.
You may be correct about your overseas comment, but if you are, it will be
because Jaycee comes back to play in the NBA.So there.Go
The Murdock kid from Wasatch should be the highest recruited kid in the nation!
Dude Run as fast as you can away from Utah. There is a great big world out
there the starts at the border. Or stay and never win a big dance game and be
fodder in this paper
I saw him play in the state championship game. On that day he was not the best
point guard playing. The sophmore point guard from West High impacted the game
more with his speed and composure. Collingsworth was guarded by players who will
not play D1 ball but were able to contain him because of their quickness and
some size(6'4" Cris Barnes). I think he experienced the same at the camps he's
attended. He is one of the best in the state but even he acknowledges that D1
ballers will be quicker with size. He could be good but he also may be average
at that level.
A big part of his decision should be who the coach will be. I wish Coach Rose
all the best, but his health situation has to reduce the chances of this kid
committing to BYU. Pancreatic cancer has a very low survival rate. Not knowing
who the coach will be when he plays there has to be a huge minus.Again, I wish Coach Rose a full recovery, but it will certainly influence his
Some others to consider only by their potential and high school accomplishments:
Jeff Judkins, Britton Johnsen, Kurt Miller, Shawn Bradley, Travis Knight, Ryan
Cuff, and "possibly" Tyler Hawes.
Nice try unbiased opinion...ute...utah is not even being considered in this kids
top 5. They are way down the list. Can you imagine playing for a coach that is
yelling(maybe coaching)on every posession. Boylens sideline intensity is off the
charts...from what I hear it is not a fun place to play. Sign with BYU, play
with your bro, Haws, Fredette. Emory, etc. Have some fun and get the BEST
overall education available, bar NONE
byu finally has a decent enough coach to make them a legitamate option.
Collinsworth is 6-foot-6 and about 190 pounds.
For a kid who values a mission and speaking to special kids at firesides more
than the lure of a potential NBA career and the temptations all that money would
bring, it HAS to be BYU. You will be surrounded by people of similar values and
culture, and you won't ever really have to risk leaving the comfort of Utah
Valley. Why look anywhere else?
I guess I should give you a break that you (presumably) didn't know what Gary
Wilkinson, formerly of USU, was doing the night of the draft.He
spoke at 2 youth firesides that night. BYU doesn't have the corner on the
market of good LDS athletes who are also good people.Go Aggies
Kyle is the best player in the state no doubt! He is tearing up tournaments all
around the nation.. this last week he average 24 points a game against the best
competition around the nation at the las vegas tournament! He is a outstanding
player... Kansas wants him bad!
uh, Daniel Deane is playing for Oregon and doing great, may want to research
before making stupid comments...
I hope one of the things he learned over the summer is that Utah High School
Basketball in weak.Do yourself a favor kid. If Stanford makes an
offer, take it. Its a gift. Get good grades and have a great professional career
in something other than basketball. You've seen the NCAA commercials. Now go
Did collinsworth grow 2.5 inches since the state tournament? He may still be
growing, but he is not 6-6, just like Davies is not a true 6-8. Davies was at
best 6-6 1/2 ...in shoes. He is in my moms ward, and when we viseted there
recently, our son is an honest 6-6 and almost exactly the same height as Davies.
the measuring stick in provo's gym must have slipped down an inch or two...
again. Good luck growing into your expectations of the recruiting world Kyle.
have seen you play, and you are a heck of a player/competitor.
are this the collinsworth kid from springville? i know those guys. great family.
To be the best, you got to beat the best, not play for the best. Do it with a
school not considered to be the best, and even better (The MWC has plenty of
games against so-called big conference teams, anyway). That's what March madness
is all about. Underdog teams get to prove themselves. The only place for them to
go is up. It's the kind of noise a program like BYU is poised to make in the
tournament. They're going to make a run. That's inevitable! The only question is
who will be on the court enjoying that moment. It will turn more heads than a
big name school who it is expected of, year after year. Seriously!
What's the point in going and playing for a big name school when you want to
make a name for yourself? If you want to prove a point, then take a team from
mediocrity up to the next level. That's a real challenge and a positive result
makes a huge statement. It says a whole lot more about you. Whereas,
piggybacking off someone else's success just perpetuates some program's name and
Utah State still exists? Just like everybody else, I forgot about them after we
played them once last season. Thanks for reminding us!
Don't use fuzzy UTE math. RE: Re: Cougar Blue Blood | 11:32 a.m.
June 30, 2009 "You mean USU's 81-27 record over the last three
years....? That is pretty impressive- You're right! Thanks for pointing that
out!!"You must have spent too much time in the campus steam
room....USU is 77-28 over the last 3 yearsBYU is 77-24 over
the last 3 yearsoh... by the way, BYU has played better competition
and been in 3 straight NCAA tournaments. USU only 1 during that time.
So your saying Michael Jordan would have been better off at BYU, he could have
made a name for himself. What an idiot Jordan was for going to North Carloina.
Kyle I hope your smart enough to not believe a word this guy is saying. Go to
BYU if you feel that's your calling and if you want to play alongside your
brother. But don't expect to be winning any National Champiohips, and he is
right about this, BYU truely isn't expected to win year after year.
Collinsworth is AWSOME!!! Needs more Muscle but has a sweet overall game. Good
Luck Chris. Hope to see you in A BYU uniform, but will support you whatever you
There are a lot of D1 schools in Utah doing great. I would stay in Utah this
will make him happier in the end. I have seen him play in Vegas for Utah
Pump-N-Run and he is a great player. Who ever he plays for will be lucky!
Hope he's not overated like his brother and only gets the hype for being from
provo. I wanna see the kid do good, not get schooled by better players
throughout the region. Hope he's way better than his brother ever was, or will
Why so much hate for USU...? BYU always gets it's man- what are you fans so
worried about? USU only gets the guys BYU happens to "overlook"... Se you next
year in the Spectrum! Finally!
ohh..this is so important...go on a mission and FIZZLE!
would have made a name for himself no matter what school he would have gone to.
If your talent level is high enough there's not a wrong choice. He was going to
stand out no matter what.
.. these comments most of them are ridiculous. Right away I won't waist your
time with this instate babble. If you want to go pro and actually improve on
your skills you'll rank the coaches from the state this way. 1. Stew
Morrill - best development wise + opportunity2. Coach Boylan - NBA fmr
coach3. Randy Rhae - (hey the Allred kid played in cleveland with LeBron -
nothing the Y can brag about)3. Coach Rose - best way to flopIf I were able to give a little common sense advice, you will have a better
chance by going to a big program out of state. By the way out of Utah can be a
lot of fun .. and most people do respect your religion and values. There are LDS
girls there.if it were me .. look at these out of state schools the
most tier 11 Jim Boeheim2 Mike kzrycheski (sp?)3 Roy williamstier 2 1 Arizona's new coach2 Jim
Calhoun3 Tom IzzoTeir 31 Calipari - Kentucky2 Bill self3 U of PittAfter that you are probably waisting
your time if you want to go to the NBA.
I must have counted many of our tournament wins but a BYU fan wouldn't know
anything about that I guess...
Is good. No one will argue that. But he plays in Utah, hardly known for its
athleticism. He did not do much out at the NBA Camp besides pass. He has a good
first step and can get to the rim here, but not on a national stage against
athletes that are on a higher level athletically. He's not going to Utah or USU,
you saw that his list was down to five. As someone said above, BYU has done a
great job stealing local recruits and turning them into great players: Jackson
Emery, Garner Meads, Charles Abuo, Tyler Haws. Collinsworth will end up at BYU
mark my words. BYU has the guys to be competitive for years to come.
if he gets the chance to watch the cougs get rocked in the Spectrum next year it
might just be all he needs baby! Go Aggies!
Here is the real problem...he plays at Provo High, he is limited on the type of
ball they play...his skills are good enough for Provo and 4A but he himself says
he needs to improve on his ball handling and his outside shot...lets just say
quickness would improve all those...because as a guard at 6' 7" he does not
have three of the four traits you need...go some where where you really play
point if that is what you want to learn to do and be able to shoot when you are
open not in a Provo High offense.
Collinsworth is the real did. A week ago. He went to the BYU's Elite Camp. I've
been around this game for more than twenty ears. Kyle was better than 90% of
BYU's roster right now.
They are not even on his list currently - trust me - so get over it aggie fans.
.. nothing more. Can we review the ranking list on recruits. yBu manages to
trick these kids into thinking that the church doesn't exist on Utah State or
the U. Most of the players they get are between 85-95 on the talent ranking
list. Why can't they win their own conference tournament .. or not get blown out
by texas A&M by 10+ points 2 years in a row. I'm sorry your Coach has
cancer, I work as a medical professional & understand what he is going
through... come on Ybu fans you have to be realistic here. Come NCAA tournament
time .. Come conference tournament ... well how do you put it. You loose.
Its that simple. Btw .. hhmm an interesting note another Provo high
graduate .. Tai Wesley plays for USU. ooohh ouch .. what happened on that one.
His brother played for Ybu didn't he? & an ALL Wac/MWC player?When
you guys hire the right coach .. like minded coach .. aka .. Bronco Mendenhall
your program will not just recruit these top Mormon athlete's but you'll win.
btw .. Bronco spoke at our institute before recruiting Riley Nelson while
on his mission. hhhmmm Ethical? 8^S ?
Of course this kid is not going to BYU. Just remember, he is 17 years old and
he has never witnessed a BYU team win in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.
He would have to be 20 years old to witness a BYU win in the Tournament.
And now someone has him listed at 6-7? wow, by the thime this board is finished,
this kid will have grown to 7 feet and will be a real catch. Have seen him in
person many times. Terrific player. very good skills. Similar to Haws. but about
the same size, 6-4 1/2 maybe. He is not 6-6 or 6-7 as this board claims.
Re: Come on Aggie Fan | 9:42 a.m. July 1, 2009 You stated your wins
over the last 3 years. HOW MANY TOURNAMENT WINS DOES USU HAVE the last 3 years?
I am counting NIT and NCAA. Get out of the campus steam room and clear your
head....that is why you should not go to a State school for your education. Let
me help you out. The answer = 0By the way.... How many tournament
wins does Utah State have under the great Beef Stew? NCAA and NIT combined =1.
WOW..... Oh.... one more question Aggie fan.... How many tournament wins does
Stew have in his 23 years as a head coach.....drum roll please........ YEP ...
you guessed it. "1"
Have you ever heard of a conference tournament...? USU has won thiers twice in
the last three years, maybe as a BYU fan you should concentrate a little more on
your Mountain Worste tourny because we've all seen your efforts in the NCAA
tourney and it = pathetic.
RE: Re: HUH? | 6:09 p.m. July 6, 2009 Keep living off that ONE NCAA
tourney win. I guess Weber St with 2 tournament wins has more than you in the
last 30 years. They must be a better program.
This kid is good. Way better than tyler haws, cj wilcox, and even his brother.
people keep saying that if he goes somewhere else he will ride the bench, but
not at in state schools. BYU and UTAH are good programs if he can start there,
he can start at most pac 10, big 12, and big 10 schools. He is going to be good
no matter where he goes. I went to west and saw provo lose in the state
championship, he was a class act even in a loss. He is something special. just
Positive: heigthNegative: shooting range
quickness ball handling defending smaller guard
Good Junior College Player
Your ability to rate players stinks. He's 6'7 and I think Kyle could end up
taller at 6'9 or 6'10. For a player his size he handles the ball well. He
shoots well. Most guys in college basketball can't shoot period but he shoots
well and very well for his size. He does probably need to bulk up. I think he
has good defensive fundamentals as does all of Craig Drury's players but he
could improve there. He might need to develop more of a post game. But a
player of his size, he is quick, he passes and shoots well and is capable of
handling the ball. He is also a winner. He's started for three years and his
teams have won two titles and placed second once. He was a key cog on those
teams and with one year to go, his record as a player if Provo competes or wins
a title would be hard pressed to be duplicated. I think anyone would be lucky
to get him as a player. I hope he either ventures out of state or perhaps goes
to USU or BYU.
No he actually is 6'7. I know him personally. He is the real deal
I know him personally as well. and he and his family are amused by this board.
he probably will be though, as he is continuing to grow from what im told.
I saw him measured for the 08-09 season and he was a smidge over 6'6". That was
in October of 08. He was measured with his shoes on. Give his shoes an inch and
that would have made him 6'5" and quarter in his socks. That was almost 10
if you are good enough to make a nba roster it does not matter where you play
they will find you.. when utah becomes more diverse is when real d1 programs
will respect the talent here & actually recruit some of these guys.
A basketball player who wants to be a guard yet cant shoot a 20 footer?Must be 6'7" and athletic, which you cant teach...
Although it would be nice to be in the comforts of home and Utah, you should
really try to get to other schools that will best suit your needs to grow. The
bigger schools will give you more experience and competition. You will be
recognized for possible overseas basketball as well. You have great
talent, and should pursue getting better if this is a career you wish to pursue.
Not to rain on the parade, but has anyone heard about Jan Hamson and her
recruiting schools. Anything DNEWS?
Just so you know Kansas is one of the top 5 basketball schools in the country.
I don't understand why it matters if you don't have anything to write home
about, and I don't think that's true either. Kansas is a school centered around
basketball, he would experience something that's so rare to athletes. Not only
that but Bill Self is one of the elite coaches in college basketball as well. I
also don't understand why you're trying to tell a kid that you probably don't
even know where to go to school. He'll make the right choice for himself.
Corbin Miller, currently a junior at Brighton, is probably the 2nd after him.
Miller has offers from Utah, Stanford, Gonzaga, and Arizona State. He will be
one to watch as well! The funny thing is, his family hates Univ. of Utah and so
does Corbin Miller. So they can alreay forget getting him.