For the love of freedom and this great country, urge your elected
representatives to vote down this massive tax measure. It will not affect
global temps and it will not create "millions" of jobs. Al Gore and his cronies
stand to reap a "windfall" if this legislation passes. For a reasoned
explanation, Google "Keith Rattie Utah Valley University" to read how this
legislation will impact our lives.
it's not about "love of freedom for this great country", it's just about
changing our habits of energy use and production. save your flag waving for
real issues like the bill of rights. you can change your thermostat, drive more
economically, and turn off unused lights and appliances. it's easy. most
people around the world already have much more expensive energy than we have.
we can stand a little change towards burning less fossil fuel for our wants.
there are other good fuels such as uranium. this bill will create
new jobs in new fields related to cleaner energy production, maybe
conservation.it's not about flag waving
If this passes you can expect to pay more than $2500 a year per household in
energy costs. Can you afford this? Al Gore is the biggest hypocrite in history
and I don't know how he has snowed people this long. The man simply is not good
There's better things to talk about rather then global warming and a new energy
Bill that goes for another trillion dollar vote on the floor today, as the Dem's
vote YES and the RINO's and Moderates go along with their vote's. It will
happen. I would rather read about this, On June 12th, astronauts onboard the
International Space Station watched in amazement as Russia's Sarychev Peak
volcano erupted directly beneath their spacecraft. The rare photo they took is a
must-see. An enormous sulfur dioxide plume from the eruption is now
circumnavigating the globe at northern latitudes, producing spectacular sunsets
for international air travelers. Then learn AmeriKA is now fully bankrupt and
has no more money left.
The great deceiver is at it again. This week Comrade Obamas one hand is
inviting the fourth branch of his administration (i.e. the mainstream media) to
place their undivided attention on his socialized medicine program, while the
other hand is going to try to sneak his scam and tax climate bill and union card
check bill through Congress.Matheson already voted against Barrys
scam and tax bill in committee, so make sure to contact him today to remind him
to vote against it again. If passed, it will become the most expensive tax
increase in American history and affect everyone, particularly lower income
individuals. It will also seriously stifle any type of economic recovery.In an interview in 2008 with the San Francisco Chronicle, Senator Obama
said that electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket under his plan to fight
global warming. He also said that under his plan, if somebody wants to build a
coal-powered plant, they can; its just that it will bankrupt them.By
the way, someone might want to inform Barry that the earth is actually
cooling.Contact MathesonWashington D.C.: Phone - (202)
225-3011Toll-Free: 1 (877) 677-9743
Global warming stopped in 1998, according to a well-respected study that
accounted for temperature reading stations that had become urbanized. Thus,
this bill is nothing more than another bill whose unintended consequences will
have far greater impact on society than its backers realize. Look at the
ridiculous bailout plans to keep the prices of peoples' homes high and preserve
their equity. In Utah, for example, the federal bailout money went to
contractors in the form of incentives to buyers of newly constructed homes.
This immediately reduced demand for existing homes -- the very houses with which
whose falling prices we were concerned. Much of the federal bailout money is
going to mortgage holders, allowing them to absorb losses on short sales. The
result? More homes on the market, meaning lower prices because nobody can
change the basic rule of economics -- supply and demand. Now the U.S., which
isn't even one of the nations most responsible for pumping carbon dioxide into
the atmosphere, thinks it can affect world climate by making people use electric
cars and electric lawnmowers. Doesn't anybody realize where most of our
electricity comes from -- burning of coal.
Rich, if global warming stopped in 1998 why have 10 of the hottest years on
record occurred in the past 12 years? And no, these records don't come from
urban stations alone.
President Obama, and HIS AGENDA, was fairly elected and the American people want
action! This is a good start for everyone on the planet.
(Even the loud-mouthed SUV, ATV, rip-up the environment, greedy, greedy, ranters
from these pages)
This plan is almost funny. Even scientists say this won't change
the global climate trends, but we want to do it anyway. Politicians just feel
the need to do SOMETHING or they will be blamed for EVERYTHING.It
doesn't hurt that a bunch of their friends (Al Gore and Company) will benefit
greatly from this pseudo-tax forced to be tacked onto the prices of EVERYTHING
we use or do from now on, till the end of our days. It doesn't really matter
that it will have no impact on Global Climate.So much for President
Obama's promise not to raise taxes for anyone making less than $250,000/year.
It's undeniable that this is anything other than a stealthy-tax on EVERYTHING
I realize that Republican nutjobs don't like (or understand) science, but these
comments today are HILARIOUS!!! Thank you!
First off DN, none of my comments are ever found to be abusive, offensive,
off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words, yet you already censored
several other posts on other topica, let's see if you'll do the same here to.
Don't worry Utah, when this Bill reaches the US Senate, it'll pass there to,
because YOUR Bennett and Hatch will go along with it there to, mark my word's
This isn't about science. This is about paying thousands of dollars more just
for energy costs, with no benefit. Even the supporters admit there will be
costs, but they are afraid to admit, or don't truly know, the real costs to
this. There will be jobs lost because of this, not gained. This is about what
the Wall Street Journal claimed could become the biggest tax in our country's
history. Quit this "Republican nutjobs" this and "Obama won" that. You want to
pay up to your nostrils in taxes, fine. You do that. The rest of us want to be
able to afford energy. We are trying to take care of ourselves and the
environment, without being forced to. We are trying to do this in our own way,
without having to toot our horns and say, "We are so good. Look at us." Then to
be benefitting financially from it, like Al Gore, is just disgraceful. He is a
phony and a hypocrite who cares only about the money, not the environment.If you
don't believe it, he's worth $100 million now. Where did that money come from?
He left office worth $2 million.
THIS MAKES ME SICK. We are sitting on the largest source of energy in the
country and these people are trying to make it too expensive The provo power
plant had a coal fueled power and it was very cheap clean and easy to operate I
worked there in the 1950 and we were making improvements. The coal was powder
and was forced into a hot boiler and little to no smoke.
Yeah, you're right. YOU are so smart. YOU know sooooo much more than everyone
else. Your ego is HILARIOUS.B Hussein said he was going to bankrupt
the coal industry and now he is doing it. The Dems talk about creating new jobs
- why do they fail to mention the jobs they are killing? The answer - they are
self serving.This is more socialism. From everything I've read about
this bill there is a concensus that higher energy costs will result. How is this
justified? Lower income households will have credits and rebates to help pay for
their energy. What does that mean? Their neigbors who are already paying more
taxes are now going to pay for their energy costs. More redistribution of
wealth. Aweful policy. Socialism doesn't work - look at Cuba, look at S. Korea
vs N. Korea, look at Hong Kong vs Red China. Why is China's economy growing so
fast? They are starting to impliment capitalism.
The DemonRats have set this nation up for another Civil War!
To those of you who think you can save by using less, forget it.You will still
pay more. And a lot more. You can cut your usage in half, and your bills will
still be at least 50% higher.And those of you that think it's about greed,it is.
This is a huge income for Govt.They are just as greedy as anyone else on this
planet.Yes, this is a political solution, not a scientific one.
It's called long-term trends.If you looked at the satellite
temperature data you would see the temperature increasing until 1998, when it
peaked and slowly began to decline.No year since then has even come
close to being as hot as 1998, and the global temperature for the past two years
is virtually unchanged from what it was 20 years ago.This is not
unprecedented; since 1850 the earth's temperature climbed until it peaked during
the 1930's and then slowly declined, bottoming out in the mid-1970s (the time
when most scientists believed we were headed for another ice age).Since the 1970's it has increased but since peaking in 1998 it appears to be
on the decline again. This despite the fact that carbon dioxide emissions have
accelerated during the past 50 years.
For all you conservative's, it's funny here, the Quaker's don't whine as much as
your doing, about paying thousands of dollars more just for energy costs, with
no benefit, they don't use electric, so why should they?. Your just to spoiled,
that's all. As for those Demo's now, they have nothing to fear on this vote, and
ACORN did not even help them out on this trillion dollar round either, the
Moderate's, RINO's, and Utah's own to, will go along with them, because they
don't want a conflict before midterm election's in 2010, on the news. That's the
truth. That's my view to.If you don't like them, then, don't vote
for them in 2010 and re-elect them again.That's about all you can do
Look it up--this climate bill would have negligible affect on the climate in
this century. That is published, readily available information that Congress
surely knows.So passage of this bill must have some other agenda,
which isn't hard to see. Any bill that makes such a huge transfer of power and
money has an obvious agenda.This bill is NOT about air
pollution--CO2 is not part of air pollution. It's about transferring money and
power, plain and simple.The most shocking, incredible aspect of this
bill is it makes no provision for the biggest, best, most obvious solution to
clean electricity--nuclear power. That fact in itself speaks volumes about the
origins and motivations of this bill.
One day Al Gore will meet his maker!!!
America - please support this bill in your congress. global warming is
important and must be stopped. raise prices and help everyone conserve. my
country will help with goods too costly in America. They safe and very
The former VP's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000
kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656
kilowatt-hours.In other words, his mansion consumes more electricity
every month than the average American household uses IN AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!Personally, I don't have a problem with Al's $30,000 a year electrical
bill, but I do have a problem with this fraud's hypocrisy. Memo to
Al: Please refrain from stating that the sky is falling and telling everyone how
to live their lives, particularly a majority of those who appear to have a
substantially smaller "foot print" than you, until YOU can start following YOUR
own rules.Just the facts. Typical liberal hypocrisy.
We are not complaining about quantity of energy consumption but quality.Quality of Environment means cleaner ways of making energy.Al Gores house has nothing to do with creating cleaner energy.Global Warming, Global Dimming, Global Cooling... Lets make
quality of life better with cleaner energy production.
More dishonesty from the democrat goofballs. What other fabrications and thefts
do the democrats have in stored for us? Over-taxation and theft from working
people is democrat, for sure! And we thought Iran and North Korea had the basket
case people! Not so, obama, gore and the other mentally challenged fabricators,
make Iran and North Korea look like choir kids.While I have cut back to
save, the theft of my money by the democrats continues. The utilities never get
cheaper, no matter how much one cuts back to save. Show me a carbon foot print!
What a fabrication as are the rest of the environmentalist claims and snow jobs!
obama and gore need to get a life and lessen in integrity.
Just read that the house passed the bill! Wonderful!It
should have passed by a much larger margin - but these days, considering the
complete nonsense that's being thrown around by the AM radio gasbags, I guess
the important thing is that it passed.Now on the to the Senate!
You're wrong, plain and simple. The hottest year since we started keeping track
was in 1936, then 1998. The 1930's, as a decade, were hotter than the 1990's,
even with the El Nino in the 1990's. Since 1998, the trend has been cooling.
If you are arguing for environmental protection, then at least use correct
facts. Otherwise, you discredit the movement.
More taxes- more regulations- more freedoms- more politics- more liberal control
of everything. Wow; maybe I should send them power of attorney and the liberals
can just control everything about my life including whether I live or die and
when. Yep, Home of the Free and Land of the Brave? Ouch!
The master of saying one thing and doing another (i.e. Obama) doesnt even have
the guts to call this bill what it really is; a carbon tax. This scam of bill
is nothing more than a tax generating money maker that has NOTHING to do with
protecting the environment. In Obamas world, the definition of transparency is
smoke screen.The Comrade in Chief knows that this tax is going to
cream every single tax payer, particularly lower income individuals. As a
result the Democrats have inserted an energy reimbursement plan into the bill
that will give people defined as lower income a reimbursement via direct
deposit. Im sick of working to cover the expenses of those who
dont. If the Comrade in Chief thinks that this is such a great idea, then
everyone should have the opportunity to "share" in the process of saving the
planet. Everyone!This bill will cost the GDP trillions of dollars
and countless jobs. Just ask Spain. Its just a way to confiscate your
disposable income redistribute wealth and give it to those who havent earned it,
not to mention fund socialized medicine.
This bill is going to be the beginning of the end for the Democrats. If the
American public were as informed about this nightmare of a bill and its
impact--as they were with Micheal Jackson life--it would have never passed
because they would have been calling their congressional rep and telling them
they were finished voting for them.
if more people would watch the science channel instead of the networks this
issue would not be an issue.
God has let mankind control his destiny. The Republicans course is destruction.
They contiue to be like the people during Noahs time.
that cool breeze on your back? Its not the turn of global warming, but more the
fast swipe of your wallet. Great move, dems. How are you going to defend this
one? And so much for campaign promises of transparency, bills on-line, blah,
Which representatives voted for this stupid bill so we can vote all of them out
of office!Enough of the country club mentality that is in DC - they
don't live here long enough to care about us regular Americans and our plight
and right to strive for something better without having our money taxed away.
Talk about taxation without representation!I say vote them all out!
Wow.Even Obama says that this bill will lead to energy price hikes.Alternative
energy is great but we simply do not have the massive system in place to be able
to switch now.It would need to Once again the Democrats sock it to the poor, who
are the once who will suffer more than anyone.No national discussion in the
media. Quietly, more huge fines to the government and we see another government
control that will hurt people.
We can argue the merits of the bill, and what it will do.However,
who can defend delivering the final verion of a 1,200 page bill less than 12
hours before it will be voted on? This is not reasoned debate or
good government, or even based on good science (see the report that EPA
officials kept hidden from the public).This is ego maniacal partisan
politics at its worst.The House leadership and every member who
voted in favor of this pig in a poke should be thrown out of office, if not
forced to resign in disgrace for failure to even read the bill they voted
for.Our government is falling to a level of corruption and
incompetence that exceeds that of Chicago at its worst.Our nation
suffered a major hit to its economic future today.
"replace old jobs with new ones, replace those jobs from oil and coal to new
green jobs." Somebody, or a buch of somebodies have lost their collective
minds! They don't even have the jobs that will replace those "old" jobs. Whats
that saying..."a bird in the hand" we will be left with no jobs and no prospect
of how to get energy. Where is the reason? Why can't we look into all types of
energy? and while we look we should not just throw away the energy sources and
jobs that we are using at the moment. Its very frustrating to our political
leaders bent on destroying our economy, and thus, our country. While the
lemmings just sit there and nod their heads in aproval.
I was always taught to be prudent and to err on the side of caution.It's a little like home food storage--if times get bad, and I hope they don't,
then I have some insurance. If times never get bad, then I have a basement full
of old food that I'll probably never use and I'm out a little money.Same goes for global warming. If, as most scientists concur, there is the
slightest chance that our planet is in trouble, why not do all we can to help?
And, if it turns out that the scientists are wrong, at least we would have clean
air--and as the wealthiest people in the history of the world, I'm sure we would
cope just fine financially.
Water vapor is almost as strong a greenhouse gas as CO2 and there is a lot more
of that. Why don't we regulate our water consumption. Maybe we could put a tarp
over all of the oceans and lakes to prevent evaporation.
This was a huge mistake that hopefully will not be repeated in the senate. Cap
and trade will destroy what is left of manufacturing in our country and the
impact of this will start to appear in 3-5 years. There will still be
manufacturing though, except it will be in China and they currently use coal to
operate their power plants, glass and steel furnaces, etc. This is not using
clean burning technology, either. Big mistake.
Science channel is okay. However, a better source is NASA. Their scientists do
not agree with the global warming crowd. The sun has produced less solar flares
this year than in decades. These flares can cause unique damage to many things
including the Ozone layer. Yet, this is not occurring. The ice flow in
Anarctica is now larger than it has been in years. The population of Polar
Bears is VERY stable and has NOT been decreasing contrary to the hysteria
surrounding them. Please read the reports from scientists in the field as many
of them are taking a beating from the press but they are standing their ground
on facts not political fame. I work with them and stand with their findings.
We need to care for our environment yet, we need to be using more common sense
and let the private sector and objective scientific groups suggest and lead the
way to care for our communities and ecosystems.
CO2 is what trees breathe in and then breathe out O2 (oxygen). This is a part
and the cycle of life that our great world provides for us. This bill is
nothing more than sheer stupidity by our illustrious House. Do they not know
what they are doing or are they so enamored by their own reflections that they
go blind to reality?
I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and doesn't pass this bill.
"I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and doesn't pass this
bill."I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and _does_
pass this bill.I further hope and pray that folks here in Utah will
start learning to think more carefully.I know - that's a lot to hope
and pray for.
Rocky | 9:41 p.m. June 26, 2009This was a huge mistake...
manufacturing though, except it will be in China and they currently use coal to
operate their power plants, glass and steel furnaces, etc.Then go
live in China if you like the pollution so much. I for one don't want to see
our cites looking like Beijing in 50 years.
Does it bother progressives at all that "cap and trade" has been a spectacular
failure everywhere it has been tried?
I would like someone to explain to me, IF the earth is warming, exactly how do
we humans stop it? Give up driving cars altogether and turn off some lights?
Don't make me laugh.
DOesn't anyone get it...Every time the Democrats "Rahm" (get-it?) a massive
scheme like this through Congress since Obama has become president and they have
such massive majorities in both House and Senate, it represents loss of Freedom
for us as individuals and families. We're now "told" what to do... what to
drive (limited by CAFE standards), what to light our homes with (twisty light
bulbs made in Communist China), what to eat (restrictions on fatty foods and new
taxes on soda pop), etc. Where are all the Liberal Fascists' worries about
heavy-handed government and "big brother?" They're more worried about the
terrorists in GITMO having their "rights" than US! Now Dems are looking at at
least a DOZEN WAYS to tax us more; health care benefits (except unions!).
Outrageous. Wake me up from this NIGHTmARE!
Obama promised not to raise taxes on anyone who makes under 250,000. Does that
mean that the cost of fuel to bring food to my store won't be passed on to me?
Does that mean that I can buy gas for my car at todays price no matter what?
Does that mean that the power company will eat my bill if I show them my tax
return? All of you who voted for change are going to get it and it won't be
pretty. For those of you who say we can cut back. Tell that to the farmer who is
harvesting your food on a combine from 4 in the morning until his wife relays
him for a few hours of sleep so that they can get it in before the freeze hits.
People, we have been had.
Has anybody including the congress read the bill? It is a major power grab and
tax increase. Congress needs to stay out of our living room. It is very bad
government to pass a bill this radical without bipartisan support. What ever
happened to freedom that all you liberals talk about?
I've just read all the comments on this legislation & I can see that emotions
are obviously running very high--on the issue. But the interesting thing I'm
seeing is the absence of concern for the process this legislation did not go
through. Where was the debate in committee or on the floor of the house? In fact
I'm hearing that many of the people who voted on it never had a chance to read
through the bill completely before voting on it. My concern is for the process.
Is this how our elected officials are going to govern in the future. It appears
so because this is not the first huge bill passed recently without being debated
or even fully read by those voting. We seem to be at a point in our history
where reason has been replaced by emotion & that's scary. This nation achieved
it's greatness by deliberate & thoughtful debate. I fear the trend we are now
experiencing can only lead to mistakes in judgment & ultimately be destructive
to the nation we all love. Think about it, are we thinking clearly about what is
really important here?
BO promised a tax cut for 95% of Americans. How many of you reading this have
received a tax cut? How many of you have been notified that you will received a
tax cut? The supposed tax cuts were no more than well crafted lies and half
truths spun into the BO campaign. Now then, here is reality...This
so-called energy bill amounts to one of the largests tax INCREASES for EVERY
AMERICAN in the history of the country and all in the sacred name of "green
jobs" and "saving the planet". As BO's crafty cabinet advisors have said, "never
let a good crisis go to waste". Yes sir, use the gloabal warming "crisis" to
raise taxes. The worst of this is jobs in the private sector will be lost
because of this and utility bills will be hiked up as a result - something every
one of us will soon feel. You can bet if BO promises transparency that is the
LAST thing you will actually get. How many of you have READ this ENERGY BILL?
NONE - because IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE READ which is another BO broken
OOOOO. I feel safer this morning.
there is a pattern that has emerged since the great Zeus Obama has decended to
planet earth to reign over his peasant population. EVERY MAJOB BILL has been
rushed through the House of Representatives with ZERO TRANSPAENCY and ZERO
ACCESS to and by the public. Remember the so-called stimulus bill that nobody
read? This bill follows the same pattern of deception. Rush the GIGANITC bill
through the House before even the congressmen can actually read the thing. Alarm
the public that if we don't pass it the world will come to an end and condemn
anyone who opposes it. This pattern is the Obama way and it full of deception.
The sad thing is we the people are the ones who will be losing our jobs and
choaked with higher energy bills.
I believe we have a government that's gone bad. I don't believe in global
warming either. Al gore, how did you get your expertize in global warming. As
the saying goes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I AM TIRED OF
HEARING HOW OUR COUNTRY IS BEHIND OTHER COUNTRIES, WHO THE HECK CARES.WE ARE
AMERICA,LAND OF OPPORTUNITY,FREEDOM,AND FREEDOM TO CHOOSE FOR OUR OWN.WE NEED TO
KICK OUT OUR GOVERNMENT AND VOTE IN NEW ONES AND EQUAL ALL AROUND SO IT IS MORE
FAIR. And mostly a smaller government, not one that controls the people, but the
people control the government.Adhere to our constitution.And let for the people
by the people be heard.I believe we should take good care of our planet, but
let's not be ridicules,I do not back Obama, and certainly not AL Gore, Palosi,
Reid. But we the people need to open our own eyes to the truths of what is in
store for us in the future and the lies we believe.Pray for ourselves, the
Government that serves US, and most of all this Country AMERICA !
We'll since I'm a meterologist I have a little more knowledge on the subject of
climate change. Regulating a naturally occuring gas is not a solution to
anything. It's absurd and that's it. For those ignorant people out there, CO2
doesn't drive climate or effect the climate in anyway, except help plants grow
faster. This bill will change the lives of americans significantly. You're
energy bills will sky rocket. 2nd if you do believe in man made global warming
this bill have zero impact on the CO2 output of the US. For the person who
hopes and prays this bill will pass, go educate yourself and really find out
how the climate works and what the impact on the climate this bill will have.
Then come debate me.
It's a very sad, unpleasant, misguided day for Americans who have been wooed by
a power-hungry, greedy, anti-American congress. If this makes it through the
Senate, we WILL be paying massively higher utility rates...you watch.
We're toast...but it ain't because of Global Warming!
Some Additional facts:1. Al Gore stands to be the First Billionaire from
this bill! Its your money!2. Temperatures were warmer in the middle ages
than they are now. Example: Greenland used to grow crops!3. M.I.T
estimates the results of this bill passing as 3,200 dollars in taxes to a family
of 4 making 33,000 dollars. 75 cent per gallon tax increase. 2.3 million to 2.7
million jobs lost. Just the facts from a left leaning University.4. Utah,
West Virginia and other States to have Coal Industry destroyed by this bill.5. Countries that had this tax are going away from it because they found it to
be a failed policy.6. Chicago politics are still lower than this so more
taxes to come. 7. Obama has no tax cuts in mind! Never did! He just plain
LIED TO GET ELECTED!8. The 1200 page bill was not read by one member who
voted for it!9. The 8 Stupid Republicans who voted for this bill should
resign in disgrace!! The party should shun them! 10. SOCIALISM is on the
Every time I hear the whiney voice and plastic face of Queen Nancy Peloci, I
want to puke! This Marxist mavin is hell bent, with her King Obama, destroy our
lives as we know them. The farce that 95% of the people will not be taxed, that
somehow we can stick it to the rich and they will be able to pay for these
stupid tax bills, is sooooo far fetched it makes me wonder if libs even have any
intelligence at all!Our formerly great country used to be the desire of
all the commies and socialists around the world, they would risk life and limb
just to have the chance for freedom and life in America. No more! They will
stop comming to a country that offers them the same life they now have.
I do not understand our government. We are spending money we do not have, and
yet our congress, under the direction of President Obama, continues to work on
and pass bills that will add trillions of dollars of spending (health care,
energy policy and law). I haven't heard a word about solving the upcoming
crisis in social security and medicare.Is there an intentional
effort to collapse the dollar, bankrupt our country (similar to the Soviet
Union), and reform our government and country, thus permanently shifting the
balance of power and creating a new constitution? Though this
sounds like rediculous conspiracy talk, doesn't it seem like President Obamas
and congress work is taking us down this road?I add my voice to the
energy debate...global warming due to human causes is a hoax. It is political
propaganda to advance a cause.
KM--I'm glad people will stop "comming" to our country--an easy solution to
How many years will it take for the left to realize you are choking the life out
of the USA? Why does the Pres hate the USA?
@John Wicks: One day you will too!
Utah passed a bill last year: 2008 S.B. 202 Substitute
Energy Resource and Carbon Emission Reduction Initiative Curtis S.
Bramble/David Clark No votes against this bill that was signed
into law. Republican and/or Democrats. In Utah we can pass bills in this
area, without 1500 pages, and without costing $800 Billion. "To
the extent that it is cost effective to do so, beginning in 2025 the annual
retail electric sales in this nation of each electrical corporation shall
consist of qualifying electricity or renewable energy certificates in an amount
equal to at least 20% of adjusted retail electric sales." That
sentence could replace the whole cap and trade bill, just about. Utah 54-17-602 I changed the word state to nation.
For people that don't think it would work, look at all the renewable
energy power locations we now have in Utah and growing...
how can the hottest years on record be the latest years, when we have in our
recorded history crops being successfully grown in Greenland in the early part
of the last millenium? When seafarers new of the "northwest passage" but
couldn't find it (Because of the ice that has blocked it during this current
mini-ice age).The hottest years in the US since we've been taking
good meteorological records are the 1930's. Look at the data, not Al Gore's
"fudging".The "hockey stick" is bogus. Al Gore is a flim-flam man
and so many suckers are lining up to follow him.
I have been involved in scientific research for over 30 years and I can tell you
that the literature (scientific evidence) supporting global warming and climate
change is shoddy and for the most part non-peer reviewed. Mostly opinion
statements by those that stand to get, or are getting millions in research
grants.As for the actual research to support climate change... there
Want to decrease emissions? Build some nuclear power plants and buy a Tesla.
They are a beautiful automobile, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds (thats faster than a Vet,
Ferrari, and a Porsche) and can go nearly 300 miles on a charge. This is a simple example of market driven environmentally sound clean energy
policy WITHOUT government intervention... and our air quality would be
perfect!For the 30 billion $$ that Obama flushed down the auto
industry toilet just to suck up to the unions, he could have spread the Tesla
technology across the auto industry AND built the nuclear power plants to run
the cars. And oh yea, the Middle East would be nothing but a bad memory.Sadly, liberals are more interested in gaining power than in real
It's bizarre and fascinating that so many of the opinions expressed here are
focused on Al Gore. Frankly, whether Mr. Gore is a saint or sinner isn't my
highest concern. What is of concern is whether human beings are changing the
atmosphere in a way that has or is likely to affect the climate.On
that question, some of the postings here have been frighteningly misguided. For
example, at least one person has claimed that the Earth's mean temperature has
declined since 1998. I'd like to see the data on that, but climate is not about
what has happened in the last ten years. Climate is about long-term trends. If
someone tries to draw a broad conclusion about climate based on a few years of
data - even ten years of data - don't believe them.Long term climate
predictions are complex, and our understanding will undoubtedly improve in the
future. That said, the overwhelming majority of the scientists studying climate
conclude that human is changing the climate. Several professional societies,
including the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the
American Geophysical Union have adopted formal statements to that effect.
How can I find how Utah's representatives voted on the National Energy Tax bill?
It will be interesting to see how those that think we are nutcases feel when
they ere hit with the huge costs that will fall to everyone as the result of
this bill. This bill if passeed will put huge amounts of money in the hands of
the government and give thgem more power over us. How trusting, gullible and non
understanding can one be. Perhaps they have just not studied the constitution or
communismm. Obama is a communist. Perhaps you will be like the White rats in
Poland who shut their eyes and would not see and were destroyed. Do you no
longer understand what our country stands for? Or are we too much like the
Romans we like being fed and controlled. I like having freedom and this is a
fag flying event and anyone who thinks it is not is naive and I am truly sorry
For those out there who think this will help & lower costs, this will raise the
price to produce steel products also, which will raise the price of cars,
appliances, houses, anything that has steel ... that is if the steel companies
decide to stay in business in (what is left of) the USA.This
Oligarchy of a government has now started to chase our steel companies out in
favor of foriegn steel producers.As a Democrat, I really am sorry
for voting for this man, all out there, please accept my apology.God
I'm not giving any credibility to a self-proclaimed meterologist who can't even
write gramatically correct sentences and uses the incorrect form of "you're"
(your). As a proclaimed meterologist, saying that CO2 gas has NO effect on the
Climate whatsoever is laughable. Even those (few) scientists who don't believe
in man-made climate change will tell you that CO2 gas in the atmosphere reflects
some long-wave radiation back at the Earth. Its physics, not opinion. And
apparently you have a degree in economics as well?? Nice try.
For all you super intelligent global warming believers. If everything is warming
up then why hasn't places like death valley set any heat records? The last
hottest heat record there was in 1913.
Alright:Because weather and climate aren't the same thing. That's
like saying "If you think I'm going bald, explain to me why this hair growing
out of my ear so long!"
Wow, I cannot believe how SELFISH we are about getting a new law that is going
to help future generations to live healthy!!! Sometimes is better to PAY MORE to
get something BETTER, We are KILLING each other in the world because of
the OIL today.WE CRY TO PAY MORE IN CLEAN ENERGY, BUT WE DONT CRY WHEN WE
GO TO BUY A NEW HD TV OR THE PS3 OR THE NEW BLUE RAY PLAYER OR THE BULLETS AND
GUNS TO GO TO "SAFARI" @ THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS!!!THINK PEOPLE,
THINK!!!! Our childrens will be better, maybe it will cost more, but it will be
better!!!!I really choose to pay more now, so my grandchildren will
have a better place to live and play.DONT BE SELFISH!!!
Pay for nothing get nothing. Yeah our cities won't be dirty they will be empty.
You fools have not seen Detroit lately. I would rather have a Bejing than a
unemployed Detroit. I'm not dumb enough to to think that those who
are supporting the cap and trade are seriously for more expensive energy. I
realize also they are trying to push our buttons, But how foolish are these
kids. one day they hope to have jobs and money and a home. Good luck with that
my friends.Climate change may be real. Economics and oppressive govt
is real I'll take my chances with what i know exists.
If not being brain washed by the human caused global warming crowd is "so Utah"
then I am proud to be from Utah. You are the one who needs to THINK. I have a
much "greener" life style than most the so called environmentalists. I have a 3
mile commute. I live in a modest sized home. I buy wind power because I think
it is something worth while to explore. My wife stays at home so she doesn't
commute at all. We live a very simple life. I live this way because I want to.
I think the human cause global warming nonsense is just that, nonsense. It is
all about power and money. Just because I don't believe in this doesn't mean I
don't care about clean air. You've watched Gore's movie one too many times.
Think for yourself.
The problem with your analysis is that this legislation will not help children
"live healthy." You've bought the liberal tripe that this bill is about
improving the environment. It won't. It's simply a money-grubbing power
Have you people read what's in this tax bill?One example
of craziness: in order to sell your home, it has to be energy rated, including
your applicances.... Holy cow! Do we live in Russia?
Wow, I already have 2 fans!!!! I love it!!!! Global Warming is not about
brainwash, it is time to lean and recognize what are we doing wrong and leave
ignorance and cowboy thinking away "if you are not with us, you are our
enemy...doesnt work anymore, it is time to talk fellas!It is not about
being "liberal" or "conservative", it is about to do something better than not
doing nothing about the place WE live on it.Global Warming is there, soon
or latter, but is there, and WE are helping to get it sooner, it is not about A
NATURAL PROCESS ANYMORE, WE ARE HELPING TO GET THIS NATURAL PROCESS FASTER.It is not about Gore's movies, because politicians want to get more money for
their pockets, doesnt matter righ or left side!!! and you dont get that!!!I think is better for our future generations, better quality of life, we
buy our homes with sacrifices and what we do...WE TAKE CARE OF THEM, same thing
with our land...WE TAKE CARE OF IT...simple.I dont care about
environmentalist or Mr Gore, I care for what I CAN DO!!!
Wow, so instead of just trusting what people say, I actually went to NASA's
website, and they say Global Warming is real. In fact they say the atmosphere
has NOT cooled down, and they are UNSURE as to the Sun being a factor in
this.Please name one study, one organization that is not funded by
Exxon Mobile/Shell/Chevron that really debunks Global Warming.
Human caused climate change is a lie. It's about power and money and it is
working. You keep on wasting your time trying to change the climate. I'm going
to spend my time on issues that really count.I don't care about
environmentalists or Mr. Gore either. I care about the survival of this country
and my childrens future. That is why I am going to do everything in my power to
send Obama packing next election. Hopefully he hasn't totally destroyed us by
then. Obama is a lot more dangerous than global warming.
Good point Darrel !!!to "to this is so Utah 10:51"...Climate change
is happening as a "natural result", did you get that? BUT...with OUR help is
speeding up, instead of taking 20 years, it will take 10..go it, or need apples
to understand that?I dont think Im wasting my time to change
climate, like you I care about my kids and education, health, save money, live a
good life, BUT also I need to remember that I need a place to live, a safe place
to live and if there is something out there that can help to live better and
have good health I take it, simple. It is time to take care of each other, we
live in a selfish world, where "me" is first, "me" is second and "me" is third
and so on....but if we dont take care of OUR home, OUR planet, OUR land, there
is not going to be future for next generations.If you want to vote Obama
out next election...good for you, that is called democracy, for now Im sorry.
Have a good life, be happy, take care of your land.
Large bills like this Energy Bill should require a minimum of five years of
research, reviewing all the options and implications before passing through the
politician’s pen. Please vote NO. I support funding research of the
options and implications before making new laws.
Mars is also warming...are we to blame for that too? Perhaps one should
consider the sun as the true culprit or simple warming, post Ice Age. Writing
of Ice Age, reminds me of the scare of the 70's. Scientists actually believed
that another ice age or mini-ice age was likely. Some scientists today believe
that scenario is still likely and far more threatening to society. If Al Gore actually believed in man made global warming, he would massively
downsize his home and not allow for his celebrity benefit to have permitted EACH
individual performer bring his/her OWN private jet creating a massive carbon
footprint. Since he doesn't believe it, based on his actions, why should I?
Now we have scienfic evidence to the contary. What do you think they will do
How the heck does this create a "21st century global economy" by forcing new
sources of domestic energy with the legislation?
Darrel, Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT just come out with a 15 year long study on the
trapping effect of CO2 on out going radiation. His study concludes that CO2
does not trap heat the way the scientific community thought it did. He states
the IPCC's estimate on the effect of CO2 on the climate has been overstated by 6
times. Go research it. 2nd James Hansen of NASA is one of the worst scientist
in the world, he's falsified several data bases for temperature records and had
to correct them. Go look up the hottest year on record. It's not 1998. Also
you think that the oil companies fund research, it's the other way round the
environmental organizations are the ones funding research. Research that too.
I encourge all of you to check out wattsupwiththat and climatedepot, they are
really good websites.