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  • Inconvenient Realities
    June 26, 2009 8:16 a.m.

    For the love of freedom and this great country, urge your elected representatives to vote down this massive tax measure. It will not affect global temps and it will not create "millions" of jobs. Al Gore and his cronies stand to reap a "windfall" if this legislation passes. For a reasoned explanation, Google "Keith Rattie Utah Valley University" to read how this legislation will impact our lives.

  • dave4197
    June 26, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    it's not about "love of freedom for this great country", it's just about changing our habits of energy use and production. save your flag waving for real issues like the bill of rights. you can change your thermostat, drive more economically, and turn off unused lights and appliances. it's easy. most people around the world already have much more expensive energy than we have. we can stand a little change towards burning less fossil fuel for our wants. there are other good fuels such as uranium.

    this bill will create new jobs in new fields related to cleaner energy production, maybe conservation.

    it's not about flag waving

  • John Wicks
    June 26, 2009 8:48 a.m.

    If this passes you can expect to pay more than $2500 a year per household in energy costs. Can you afford this? Al Gore is the biggest hypocrite in history and I don't know how he has snowed people this long. The man simply is not good for America.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    June 26, 2009 8:56 a.m.

    There's better things to talk about rather then global warming and a new energy Bill that goes for another trillion dollar vote on the floor today, as the Dem's vote YES and the RINO's and Moderates go along with their vote's. It will happen. I would rather read about this, On June 12th, astronauts onboard the International Space Station watched in amazement as Russia's Sarychev Peak volcano erupted directly beneath their spacecraft. The rare photo they took is a must-see. An enormous sulfur dioxide plume from the eruption is now circumnavigating the globe at northern latitudes, producing spectacular sunsets for international air travelers. Then learn AmeriKA is now fully bankrupt and has no more money left.

  • O's Tax and Scam Program
    June 26, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    The great deceiver is at it again. This week Comrade Obamas one hand is inviting the fourth branch of his administration (i.e. the mainstream media) to place their undivided attention on his socialized medicine program, while the other hand is going to try to sneak his scam and tax climate bill and union card check bill through Congress.

    Matheson already voted against Barrys scam and tax bill in committee, so make sure to contact him today to remind him to vote against it again. If passed, it will become the most expensive tax increase in American history and affect everyone, particularly lower income individuals. It will also seriously stifle any type of economic recovery.

    In an interview in 2008 with the San Francisco Chronicle, Senator Obama said that electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket under his plan to fight global warming. He also said that under his plan, if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; its just that it will bankrupt them.

    By the way, someone might want to inform Barry that the earth is actually cooling.

    Contact Matheson
    Washington D.C.: Phone - (202) 225-3011
    Toll-Free: 1 (877) 677-9743

  • Rich
    June 26, 2009 9:17 a.m.

    Global warming stopped in 1998, according to a well-respected study that accounted for temperature reading stations that had become urbanized. Thus, this bill is nothing more than another bill whose unintended consequences will have far greater impact on society than its backers realize. Look at the ridiculous bailout plans to keep the prices of peoples' homes high and preserve their equity. In Utah, for example, the federal bailout money went to contractors in the form of incentives to buyers of newly constructed homes. This immediately reduced demand for existing homes -- the very houses with which whose falling prices we were concerned. Much of the federal bailout money is going to mortgage holders, allowing them to absorb losses on short sales. The result? More homes on the market, meaning lower prices because nobody can change the basic rule of economics -- supply and demand. Now the U.S., which isn't even one of the nations most responsible for pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, thinks it can affect world climate by making people use electric cars and electric lawnmowers. Doesn't anybody realize where most of our electricity comes from -- burning of coal.

  • Craig
    June 26, 2009 9:56 a.m.

    Rich, if global warming stopped in 1998 why have 10 of the hottest years on record occurred in the past 12 years? And no, these records don't come from urban stations alone.

  • Go OBAMA!!
    June 26, 2009 10:00 a.m.

    President Obama, and HIS AGENDA, was fairly elected and the American people want action!


    This is a good start for everyone on the planet. (Even the loud-mouthed SUV, ATV, rip-up the environment, greedy, greedy, ranters from these pages)

  • This is almost funny
    June 26, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    This plan is almost funny.

    Even scientists say this won't change the global climate trends, but we want to do it anyway. Politicians just feel the need to do SOMETHING or they will be blamed for EVERYTHING.

    It doesn't hurt that a bunch of their friends (Al Gore and Company) will benefit greatly from this pseudo-tax forced to be tacked onto the prices of EVERYTHING we use or do from now on, till the end of our days. It doesn't really matter that it will have no impact on Global Climate.

    So much for President Obama's promise not to raise taxes for anyone making less than $250,000/year. It's undeniable that this is anything other than a stealthy-tax on EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    I realize that Republican nutjobs don't like (or understand) science, but these comments today are HILARIOUS!!! Thank you!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    June 26, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    First off DN, none of my comments are ever found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words, yet you already censored several other posts on other topica, let's see if you'll do the same here to. Don't worry Utah, when this Bill reaches the US Senate, it'll pass there to, because YOUR Bennett and Hatch will go along with it there to, mark my word's here to.

  • Idahoan
    June 26, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    This isn't about science. This is about paying thousands of dollars more just for energy costs, with no benefit. Even the supporters admit there will be costs, but they are afraid to admit, or don't truly know, the real costs to this. There will be jobs lost because of this, not gained. This is about what the Wall Street Journal claimed could become the biggest tax in our country's history. Quit this "Republican nutjobs" this and "Obama won" that. You want to pay up to your nostrils in taxes, fine. You do that. The rest of us want to be able to afford energy. We are trying to take care of ourselves and the environment, without being forced to. We are trying to do this in our own way, without having to toot our horns and say, "We are so good. Look at us." Then to be benefitting financially from it, like Al Gore, is just disgraceful. He is a phony and a hypocrite who cares only about the money, not the environment.If you don't believe it, he's worth $100 million now. Where did that money come from? He left office worth $2 million.

  • Robert OLSEN
    June 26, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    THIS MAKES ME SICK. We are sitting on the largest source of energy in the country and these people are trying to make it too expensive The provo power plant had a coal fueled power and it was very cheap clean and easy to operate I worked there in the 1950 and we were making improvements. The coal was powder and was forced into a hot boiler and little to no smoke.

  • Re: Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 10:56 a.m.

    Yeah, you're right. YOU are so smart. YOU know sooooo much more than everyone else. Your ego is HILARIOUS.

    B Hussein said he was going to bankrupt the coal industry and now he is doing it. The Dems talk about creating new jobs - why do they fail to mention the jobs they are killing? The answer - they are self serving.

    This is more socialism. From everything I've read about this bill there is a concensus that higher energy costs will result. How is this justified? Lower income households will have credits and rebates to help pay for their energy. What does that mean? Their neigbors who are already paying more taxes are now going to pay for their energy costs. More redistribution of wealth. Aweful policy. Socialism doesn't work - look at Cuba, look at S. Korea vs N. Korea, look at Hong Kong vs Red China. Why is China's economy growing so fast? They are starting to impliment capitalism.

  • Cosmo
    June 26, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    The DemonRats have set this nation up for another Civil War!

  • Lee
    June 26, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    To those of you who think you can save by using less, forget it.You will still pay more. And a lot more. You can cut your usage in half, and your bills will still be at least 50% higher.And those of you that think it's about greed,it is. This is a huge income for Govt.They are just as greedy as anyone else on this planet.Yes, this is a political solution, not a scientific one.

  • Re: Craig
    June 26, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    It's called long-term trends.

    If you looked at the satellite temperature data you would see the temperature increasing until 1998, when it peaked and slowly began to decline.

    No year since then has even come close to being as hot as 1998, and the global temperature for the past two years is virtually unchanged from what it was 20 years ago.

    This is not unprecedented; since 1850 the earth's temperature climbed until it peaked during the 1930's and then slowly declined, bottoming out in the mid-1970s (the time when most scientists believed we were headed for another ice age).

    Since the 1970's it has increased but since peaking in 1998 it appears to be on the decline again. This despite the fact that carbon dioxide emissions have accelerated during the past 50 years.

  • Don't cha just love 'em?
    June 26, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    For all you conservative's, it's funny here, the Quaker's don't whine as much as your doing, about paying thousands of dollars more just for energy costs, with no benefit, they don't use electric, so why should they?. Your just to spoiled, that's all. As for those Demo's now, they have nothing to fear on this vote, and ACORN did not even help them out on this trillion dollar round either, the Moderate's, RINO's, and Utah's own to, will go along with them, because they don't want a conflict before midterm election's in 2010, on the news. That's the truth. That's my view to.

    If you don't like them, then, don't vote for them in 2010 and re-elect them again.

    That's about all you can do anyway.

  • Thinkin' Man
    June 26, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    Look it up--this climate bill would have negligible affect on the climate in this century. That is published, readily available information that Congress surely knows.

    So passage of this bill must have some other agenda, which isn't hard to see. Any bill that makes such a huge transfer of power and money has an obvious agenda.

    This bill is NOT about air pollution--CO2 is not part of air pollution. It's about transferring money and power, plain and simple.

    The most shocking, incredible aspect of this bill is it makes no provision for the biggest, best, most obvious solution to clean electricity--nuclear power. That fact in itself speaks volumes about the origins and motivations of this bill.

  • John Wicks
    June 26, 2009 12:14 p.m.

    One day Al Gore will meet his maker!!!

  • Xinhau
    June 26, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    America - please support this bill in your congress. global warming is important and must be stopped. raise prices and help everyone conserve. my country will help with goods too costly in America. They safe and very cheap.

  • Gore, an inconvenient hypocrite
    June 26, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    The former VP's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 kilowatt-hours.

    In other words, his mansion consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses IN AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!

    Personally, I don't have a problem with Al's $30,000 a year electrical bill, but I do have a problem with this fraud's hypocrisy.

    Memo to Al: Please refrain from stating that the sky is falling and telling everyone how to live their lives, particularly a majority of those who appear to have a substantially smaller "foot print" than you, until YOU can start following YOUR own rules.

    Just the facts. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

  • QualityEnergy
    June 26, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    We are not complaining about quantity of energy consumption but quality.

    Quality of Environment means cleaner ways of making energy.

    Al Gores house has nothing to do with creating cleaner energy.

    Global Warming, Global Dimming, Global Cooling...

    Lets make quality of life better with cleaner energy production.

  • hypocrites!
    June 26, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    More dishonesty from the democrat goofballs. What other fabrications and thefts do the democrats have in stored for us? Over-taxation and theft from working people is democrat, for sure! And we thought Iran and North Korea had the basket case people! Not so, obama, gore and the other mentally challenged fabricators, make Iran and North Korea look like choir kids.
    While I have cut back to save, the theft of my money by the democrats continues. The utilities never get cheaper, no matter how much one cuts back to save. Show me a carbon foot print! What a fabrication as are the rest of the environmentalist claims and snow jobs! obama and gore need to get a life and lessen in integrity.

  • Wow!
    June 26, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    Just read that the house passed the bill!

    Wonderful!

    It should have passed by a much larger margin - but these days, considering the complete nonsense that's being thrown around by the AM radio gasbags, I guess the important thing is that it passed.

    Now on the to the Senate!

  • @ Craig
    June 26, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    You're wrong, plain and simple. The hottest year since we started keeping track was in 1936, then 1998. The 1930's, as a decade, were hotter than the 1990's, even with the El Nino in the 1990's. Since 1998, the trend has been cooling. If you are arguing for environmental protection, then at least use correct facts. Otherwise, you discredit the movement.

  • Oh boy!
    June 26, 2009 5:48 p.m.

    More taxes- more regulations- more freedoms- more politics- more liberal control of everything. Wow; maybe I should send them power of attorney and the liberals can just control everything about my life including whether I live or die and when. Yep, Home of the Free and Land of the Brave? Ouch!

  • USA to be renamed Obamstan
    June 26, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    The master of saying one thing and doing another (i.e. Obama) doesnt even have the guts to call this bill what it really is; a carbon tax. This scam of bill is nothing more than a tax generating money maker that has NOTHING to do with protecting the environment. In Obamas world, the definition of transparency is smoke screen.

    The Comrade in Chief knows that this tax is going to cream every single tax payer, particularly lower income individuals. As a result the Democrats have inserted an energy reimbursement plan into the bill that will give people defined as lower income a reimbursement via direct deposit.

    Im sick of working to cover the expenses of those who dont. If the Comrade in Chief thinks that this is such a great idea, then everyone should have the opportunity to "share" in the process of saving the planet. Everyone!

    This bill will cost the GDP trillions of dollars and countless jobs. Just ask Spain. Its just a way to confiscate your disposable income redistribute wealth and give it to those who havent earned it, not to mention fund socialized medicine.

  • Howie
    June 26, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    This bill is going to be the beginning of the end for the Democrats. If the American public were as informed about this nightmare of a bill and its impact--as they were with Micheal Jackson life--it would have never passed because they would have been calling their congressional rep and telling them they were finished voting for them.

  • rayb
    June 26, 2009 6:20 p.m.

    if more people would watch the science channel instead of the networks this issue would not be an issue.

  • Republicans = Destruction
    June 26, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    God has let mankind control his destiny. The Republicans course is destruction. They contiue to be like the people during Noahs time.

  • U feel
    June 26, 2009 6:47 p.m.

    that cool breeze on your back? Its not the turn of global warming, but more the fast swipe of your wallet. Great move, dems. How are you going to defend this one? And so much for campaign promises of transparency, bills on-line, blah, blah, blah-ma.

  • I just want to know
    June 26, 2009 7:15 p.m.

    Which representatives voted for this stupid bill so we can vote all of them out of office!

    Enough of the country club mentality that is in DC - they don't live here long enough to care about us regular Americans and our plight and right to strive for something better without having our money taxed away. Talk about taxation without representation!

    I say vote them all out!

  • oriole3227
    June 26, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    Wow.Even Obama says that this bill will lead to energy price hikes.Alternative energy is great but we simply do not have the massive system in place to be able to switch now.It would need to Once again the Democrats sock it to the poor, who are the once who will suffer more than anyone.No national discussion in the media. Quietly, more huge fines to the government and we see another government control that will hurt people.

  • Voter
    June 26, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    We can argue the merits of the bill, and what it will do.

    However, who can defend delivering the final verion of a 1,200 page bill less than 12 hours before it will be voted on?

    This is not reasoned debate or good government, or even based on good science (see the report that EPA officials kept hidden from the public).

    This is ego maniacal partisan politics at its worst.

    The House leadership and every member who voted in favor of this pig in a poke should be thrown out of office, if not forced to resign in disgrace for failure to even read the bill they voted for.

    Our government is falling to a level of corruption and incompetence that exceeds that of Chicago at its worst.

    Our nation suffered a major hit to its economic future today.

  • KM
    June 26, 2009 8:34 p.m.

    "replace old jobs with new ones, replace those jobs from oil and coal to new green jobs." Somebody, or a buch of somebodies have lost their collective minds! They don't even have the jobs that will replace those "old" jobs. Whats that saying..."a bird in the hand" we will be left with no jobs and no prospect of how to get energy. Where is the reason? Why can't we look into all types of energy? and while we look we should not just throw away the energy sources and jobs that we are using at the moment. Its very frustrating to our political leaders bent on destroying our economy, and thus, our country. While the lemmings just sit there and nod their heads in aproval.

  • Anonymous
    June 26, 2009 8:42 p.m.

    I was always taught to be prudent and to err on the side of caution.

    It's a little like home food storage--if times get bad, and I hope they don't, then I have some insurance. If times never get bad, then I have a basement full of old food that I'll probably never use and I'm out a little money.

    Same goes for global warming. If, as most scientists concur, there is the slightest chance that our planet is in trouble, why not do all we can to help? And, if it turns out that the scientists are wrong, at least we would have clean air--and as the wealthiest people in the history of the world, I'm sure we would cope just fine financially.

  • Water
    June 26, 2009 9:08 p.m.

    Water vapor is almost as strong a greenhouse gas as CO2 and there is a lot more of that. Why don't we regulate our water consumption. Maybe we could put a tarp over all of the oceans and lakes to prevent evaporation.

  • Rocky
    June 26, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    This was a huge mistake that hopefully will not be repeated in the senate. Cap and trade will destroy what is left of manufacturing in our country and the impact of this will start to appear in 3-5 years. There will still be manufacturing though, except it will be in China and they currently use coal to operate their power plants, glass and steel furnaces, etc. This is not using clean burning technology, either. Big mistake.

  • Global warming?
    June 26, 2009 10:16 p.m.

    Science channel is okay. However, a better source is NASA. Their scientists do not agree with the global warming crowd. The sun has produced less solar flares this year than in decades. These flares can cause unique damage to many things including the Ozone layer. Yet, this is not occurring. The ice flow in Anarctica is now larger than it has been in years. The population of Polar Bears is VERY stable and has NOT been decreasing contrary to the hysteria surrounding them. Please read the reports from scientists in the field as many of them are taking a beating from the press but they are standing their ground on facts not political fame. I work with them and stand with their findings. We need to care for our environment yet, we need to be using more common sense and let the private sector and objective scientific groups suggest and lead the way to care for our communities and ecosystems.

  • OK
    June 26, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    CO2 is what trees breathe in and then breathe out O2 (oxygen). This is a part and the cycle of life that our great world provides for us. This bill is nothing more than sheer stupidity by our illustrious House. Do they not know what they are doing or are they so enamored by their own reflections that they go blind to reality?

  • Aaron
    June 26, 2009 11:20 p.m.

    I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and doesn't pass this bill.

  • Re: Aaron @ 11:20
    June 26, 2009 11:32 p.m.

    "I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and doesn't pass this bill."

    I hope and pray the Senate shows some common sense and _does_ pass this bill.

    I further hope and pray that folks here in Utah will start learning to think more carefully.

    I know - that's a lot to hope and pray for.

  • Anonymous
    June 27, 2009 12:35 a.m.

    Rocky | 9:41 p.m. June 26, 2009

    This was a huge mistake... manufacturing though, except it will be in China and they currently use coal to operate their power plants, glass and steel furnaces, etc.

    Then go live in China if you like the pollution so much. I for one don't want to see our cites looking like Beijing in 50 years.

  • Rowley
    June 27, 2009 12:41 a.m.

    Does it bother progressives at all that "cap and trade" has been a spectacular failure everywhere it has been tried?

  • Mom in MO
    June 27, 2009 5:39 a.m.

    I would like someone to explain to me, IF the earth is warming, exactly how do we humans stop it? Give up driving cars altogether and turn off some lights? Don't make me laugh.

  • LOSS OF FREEDOM
    June 27, 2009 6:19 a.m.

    DOesn't anyone get it...Every time the Democrats "Rahm" (get-it?) a massive scheme like this through Congress since Obama has become president and they have such massive majorities in both House and Senate, it represents loss of Freedom for us as individuals and families. We're now "told" what to do... what to drive (limited by CAFE standards), what to light our homes with (twisty light bulbs made in Communist China), what to eat (restrictions on fatty foods and new taxes on soda pop), etc. Where are all the Liberal Fascists' worries about heavy-handed government and "big brother?" They're more worried about the terrorists in GITMO having their "rights" than US! Now Dems are looking at at least a DOZEN WAYS to tax us more; health care benefits (except unions!). Outrageous. Wake me up from this NIGHTmARE!

  • IQ
    June 27, 2009 6:28 a.m.

    Obama promised not to raise taxes on anyone who makes under 250,000. Does that mean that the cost of fuel to bring food to my store won't be passed on to me? Does that mean that I can buy gas for my car at todays price no matter what? Does that mean that the power company will eat my bill if I show them my tax return? All of you who voted for change are going to get it and it won't be pretty. For those of you who say we can cut back. Tell that to the farmer who is harvesting your food on a combine from 4 in the morning until his wife relays him for a few hours of sleep so that they can get it in before the freeze hits. People, we have been had.

  • Craig
    June 27, 2009 6:44 a.m.

    Has anybody including the congress read the bill? It is a major power grab and tax increase. Congress needs to stay out of our living room. It is very bad government to pass a bill this radical without bipartisan support. What ever happened to freedom that all you liberals talk about?

  • Bob
    June 27, 2009 7:04 a.m.

    I've just read all the comments on this legislation & I can see that emotions are obviously running very high--on the issue. But the interesting thing I'm seeing is the absence of concern for the process this legislation did not go through. Where was the debate in committee or on the floor of the house? In fact I'm hearing that many of the people who voted on it never had a chance to read through the bill completely before voting on it. My concern is for the process. Is this how our elected officials are going to govern in the future. It appears so because this is not the first huge bill passed recently without being debated or even fully read by those voting. We seem to be at a point in our history where reason has been replaced by emotion & that's scary. This nation achieved it's greatness by deliberate & thoughtful debate. I fear the trend we are now experiencing can only lead to mistakes in judgment & ultimately be destructive to the nation we all love. Think about it, are we thinking clearly about what is really important here?

  • Obama lies
    June 27, 2009 8:31 a.m.

    BO promised a tax cut for 95% of Americans. How many of you reading this have received a tax cut? How many of you have been notified that you will received a tax cut? The supposed tax cuts were no more than well crafted lies and half truths spun into the BO campaign. Now then, here is reality...
    This so-called energy bill amounts to one of the largests tax INCREASES for EVERY AMERICAN in the history of the country and all in the sacred name of "green jobs" and "saving the planet". As BO's crafty cabinet advisors have said, "never let a good crisis go to waste". Yes sir, use the gloabal warming "crisis" to raise taxes. The worst of this is jobs in the private sector will be lost because of this and utility bills will be hiked up as a result - something every one of us will soon feel. You can bet if BO promises transparency that is the LAST thing you will actually get. How many of you have READ this ENERGY BILL? NONE - because IT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO BE READ which is another BO broken promise.

  • California Steve
    June 27, 2009 8:40 a.m.

    OOOOO. I feel safer this morning.

  • Pattern of deception
    June 27, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    there is a pattern that has emerged since the great Zeus Obama has decended to planet earth to reign over his peasant population. EVERY MAJOB BILL has been rushed through the House of Representatives with ZERO TRANSPAENCY and ZERO ACCESS to and by the public. Remember the so-called stimulus bill that nobody read? This bill follows the same pattern of deception. Rush the GIGANITC bill through the House before even the congressmen can actually read the thing. Alarm the public that if we don't pass it the world will come to an end and condemn anyone who opposes it. This pattern is the Obama way and it full of deception. The sad thing is we the people are the ones who will be losing our jobs and choaked with higher energy bills.

  • Diane Rainville
    June 27, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    I believe we have a government that's gone bad. I don't believe in global warming either. Al gore, how did you get your expertize in global warming. As the saying goes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I AM TIRED OF HEARING HOW OUR COUNTRY IS BEHIND OTHER COUNTRIES, WHO THE HECK CARES.WE ARE AMERICA,LAND OF OPPORTUNITY,FREEDOM,AND FREEDOM TO CHOOSE FOR OUR OWN.WE NEED TO KICK OUT OUR GOVERNMENT AND VOTE IN NEW ONES AND EQUAL ALL AROUND SO IT IS MORE FAIR. And mostly a smaller government, not one that controls the people, but the people control the government.Adhere to our constitution.And let for the people by the people be heard.I believe we should take good care of our planet, but let's not be ridicules,I do not back Obama, and certainly not AL Gore, Palosi, Reid. But we the people need to open our own eyes to the truths of what is in store for us in the future and the lies we believe.Pray for ourselves, the Government that serves US, and most of all this Country AMERICA !

  • Aaron
    June 27, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    We'll since I'm a meterologist I have a little more knowledge on the subject of climate change. Regulating a naturally occuring gas is not a solution to anything. It's absurd and that's it. For those ignorant people out there, CO2 doesn't drive climate or effect the climate in anyway, except help plants grow faster. This bill will change the lives of americans significantly. You're energy bills will sky rocket. 2nd if you do believe in man made global warming this bill have zero impact on the CO2 output of the US. For the person who hopes and prays this bill will pass, go educate yourself and really find out how the climate works and what the impact on the climate this bill will have. Then come debate me.

  • Jonesy
    June 27, 2009 9:28 a.m.

    It's a very sad, unpleasant, misguided day for Americans who have been wooed by a power-hungry, greedy, anti-American congress. If this makes it through the Senate, we WILL be paying massively higher utility rates...you watch.

  • Brian
    June 27, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    We're toast...but it ain't because of Global Warming!

  • Don
    June 27, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    Some Additional facts:
    1. Al Gore stands to be the First Billionaire from this bill! Its your money!
    2. Temperatures were warmer in the middle ages than they are now. Example: Greenland used to grow crops!
    3. M.I.T estimates the results of this bill passing as 3,200 dollars in taxes to a family of 4 making 33,000 dollars. 75 cent per gallon tax increase. 2.3 million to 2.7 million jobs lost. Just the facts from a left leaning University.
    4. Utah, West Virginia and other States to have Coal Industry destroyed by this bill.
    5. Countries that had this tax are going away from it because they found it to be a failed policy.
    6. Chicago politics are still lower than this so more taxes to come.
    7. Obama has no tax cuts in mind! Never did! He just plain LIED TO GET ELECTED!
    8. The 1200 page bill was not read by one member who voted for it!
    9. The 8 Stupid Republicans who voted for this bill should resign in disgrace!! The party should shun them!
    10. SOCIALISM is on the RISE!

  • KM
    June 27, 2009 11:04 a.m.

    Every time I hear the whiney voice and plastic face of Queen Nancy Peloci, I want to puke! This Marxist mavin is hell bent, with her King Obama, destroy our lives as we know them. The farce that 95% of the people will not be taxed, that somehow we can stick it to the rich and they will be able to pay for these stupid tax bills, is sooooo far fetched it makes me wonder if libs even have any intelligence at all!
    Our formerly great country used to be the desire of all the commies and socialists around the world, they would risk life and limb just to have the chance for freedom and life in America. No more! They will stop comming to a country that offers them the same life they now have.

  • Dave
    June 27, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    I do not understand our government. We are spending money we do not have, and yet our congress, under the direction of President Obama, continues to work on and pass bills that will add trillions of dollars of spending (health care, energy policy and law). I haven't heard a word about solving the upcoming crisis in social security and medicare.

    Is there an intentional effort to collapse the dollar, bankrupt our country (similar to the Soviet Union), and reform our government and country, thus permanently shifting the balance of power and creating a new constitution?

    Though this sounds like rediculous conspiracy talk, doesn't it seem like President Obamas and congress work is taking us down this road?

    I add my voice to the energy debate...global warming due to human causes is a hoax. It is political propaganda to advance a cause.

  • Anonymous
    June 27, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    KM--I'm glad people will stop "comming" to our country--an easy solution to illegal immigration!

  • Jed
    June 27, 2009 11:20 a.m.

    How many years will it take for the left to realize you are choking the life out of the USA? Why does the Pres hate the USA?

  • Atlas
    June 27, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    Stupid government.

  • xscribe
    June 27, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    @John Wicks: One day you will too!

  • utahenergyideas
    June 27, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    Utah passed a bill last year:

    2008 S.B. 202 Substitute
    Energy Resource and Carbon Emission Reduction Initiative
    Curtis S. Bramble/David Clark

    No votes against this bill that was signed into law. Republican and/or Democrats.
    In Utah we can pass bills in this area, without 1500 pages, and without costing $800 Billion.

    "To the extent that it is cost effective to do so, beginning in 2025 the annual retail electric sales in this nation of each electrical corporation shall consist of qualifying electricity or renewable energy certificates in an amount equal to at least 20% of adjusted retail electric sales."

    That sentence could replace the whole cap and trade bill, just about.

    Utah 54-17-602

    I changed the word state to nation.

    For people that don't think it would work, look at all the renewable energy power locations we now have in Utah and growing...

  • Digbads
    June 27, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    how can the hottest years on record be the latest years, when we have in our recorded history crops being successfully grown in Greenland in the early part of the last millenium? When seafarers new of the "northwest passage" but couldn't find it (Because of the ice that has blocked it during this current mini-ice age).

    The hottest years in the US since we've been taking good meteorological records are the 1930's. Look at the data, not Al Gore's "fudging".

    The "hockey stick" is bogus. Al Gore is a flim-flam man and so many suckers are lining up to follow him.

  • Research Scientist
    June 27, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    I have been involved in scientific research for over 30 years and I can tell you that the literature (scientific evidence) supporting global warming and climate change is shoddy and for the most part non-peer reviewed. Mostly opinion statements by those that stand to get, or are getting millions in research grants.

    As for the actual research to support climate change... there isn't any.

  • A BETTER PLAN
    June 27, 2009 3:00 p.m.

    Want to decrease emissions? Build some nuclear power plants and buy a Tesla. They are a beautiful automobile, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds (thats faster than a Vet, Ferrari, and a Porsche) and can go nearly 300 miles on a charge.

    This is a simple example of market driven environmentally sound clean energy policy WITHOUT government intervention... and our air quality would be perfect!

    For the 30 billion $$ that Obama flushed down the auto industry toilet just to suck up to the unions, he could have spread the Tesla technology across the auto industry AND built the nuclear power plants to run the cars. And oh yea, the Middle East would be nothing but a bad memory.

    Sadly, liberals are more interested in gaining power than in real solutions.

  • Ashcroft
    June 27, 2009 3:38 p.m.

    It's bizarre and fascinating that so many of the opinions expressed here are focused on Al Gore. Frankly, whether Mr. Gore is a saint or sinner isn't my highest concern. What is of concern is whether human beings are changing the atmosphere in a way that has or is likely to affect the climate.

    On that question, some of the postings here have been frighteningly misguided. For example, at least one person has claimed that the Earth's mean temperature has declined since 1998. I'd like to see the data on that, but climate is not about what has happened in the last ten years. Climate is about long-term trends. If someone tries to draw a broad conclusion about climate based on a few years of data - even ten years of data - don't believe them.

    Long term climate predictions are complex, and our understanding will undoubtedly improve in the future. That said, the overwhelming majority of the scientists studying climate conclude that human is changing the climate. Several professional societies, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Geophysical Union have adopted formal statements to that effect.

  • Mary Wilson
    June 27, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    How can I find how Utah's representatives voted on the National Energy Tax bill?

  • Vanya
    June 27, 2009 5:56 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see how those that think we are nutcases feel when they ere hit with the huge costs that will fall to everyone as the result of this bill. This bill if passeed will put huge amounts of money in the hands of the government and give thgem more power over us. How trusting, gullible and non understanding can one be. Perhaps they have just not studied the constitution or communismm. Obama is a communist. Perhaps you will be like the White rats in Poland who shut their eyes and would not see and were destroyed. Do you no longer understand what our country stands for? Or are we too much like the Romans we like being fed and controlled. I like having freedom and this is a fag flying event and anyone who thinks it is not is naive and I am truly sorry for them.

  • Steel
    June 27, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    For those out there who think this will help & lower costs, this will raise the price to produce steel products also, which will raise the price of cars, appliances, houses, anything that has steel ... that is if the steel companies decide to stay in business in (what is left of) the USA.

    This Oligarchy of a government has now started to chase our steel companies out in favor of foriegn steel producers.

    As a Democrat, I really am sorry for voting for this man, all out there, please accept my apology.

    God help us!

  • To Arron the meterologist
    June 27, 2009 8:43 p.m.

    I'm not giving any credibility to a self-proclaimed meterologist who can't even write gramatically correct sentences and uses the incorrect form of "you're" (your). As a proclaimed meterologist, saying that CO2 gas has NO effect on the Climate whatsoever is laughable. Even those (few) scientists who don't believe in man-made climate change will tell you that CO2 gas in the atmosphere reflects some long-wave radiation back at the Earth. Its physics, not opinion. And apparently you have a degree in economics as well?? Nice try.

  • Alright!
    June 27, 2009 9:16 p.m.

    For all you super intelligent global warming believers. If everything is warming up then why hasn't places like death valley set any heat records? The last hottest heat record there was in 1913.

  • Grimble
    June 28, 2009 12:41 a.m.

    Alright:

    Because weather and climate aren't the same thing. That's like saying "If you think I'm going bald, explain to me why this hair growing out of my ear so long!"

  • This is so Utah
    June 28, 2009 9:31 p.m.

    Wow, I cannot believe how SELFISH we are about getting a new law that is going to help future generations to live healthy!!! Sometimes is better to PAY MORE to get something BETTER,
    We are KILLING each other in the world because of the OIL today.
    WE CRY TO PAY MORE IN CLEAN ENERGY, BUT WE DONT CRY WHEN WE GO TO BUY A NEW HD TV OR THE PS3 OR THE NEW BLUE RAY PLAYER OR THE BULLETS AND GUNS TO GO TO "SAFARI" @ THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS!!!

    THINK PEOPLE, THINK!!!! Our childrens will be better, maybe it will cost more, but it will be better!!!!

    I really choose to pay more now, so my grandchildren will have a better place to live and play.

    DONT BE SELFISH!!!

  • considering leaving
    June 29, 2009 7:16 a.m.

    Pay for nothing get nothing. Yeah our cities won't be dirty they will be empty. You fools have not seen Detroit lately. I would rather have a Bejing than a unemployed Detroit.

    I'm not dumb enough to to think that those who are supporting the cap and trade are seriously for more expensive energy. I realize also they are trying to push our buttons, But how foolish are these kids. one day they hope to have jobs and money and a home. Good luck with that my friends.

    Climate change may be real. Economics and oppressive govt is real I'll take my chances with what i know exists.

  • To This is so Utah
    June 29, 2009 2:26 p.m.

    If not being brain washed by the human caused global warming crowd is "so Utah" then I am proud to be from Utah. You are the one who needs to THINK. I have a much "greener" life style than most the so called environmentalists. I have a 3 mile commute. I live in a modest sized home. I buy wind power because I think it is something worth while to explore. My wife stays at home so she doesn't commute at all. We live a very simple life. I live this way because I want to. I think the human cause global warming nonsense is just that, nonsense. It is all about power and money. Just because I don't believe in this doesn't mean I don't care about clean air. You've watched Gore's movie one too many times. Think for yourself.

  • To This is so Utah
    June 29, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    The problem with your analysis is that this legislation will not help children "live healthy." You've bought the liberal tripe that this bill is about improving the environment. It won't. It's simply a money-grubbing power grab.

  • Have you people read?
    June 29, 2009 3:27 p.m.



    Have you people read what's in this tax bill?

    One example of craziness: in order to sell your home, it has to be energy rated, including your applicances.... Holy cow! Do we live in Russia?

  • This is so Utah
    June 29, 2009 10:51 p.m.

    Wow, I already have 2 fans!!!! I love it!!!!
    Global Warming is not about brainwash, it is time to lean and recognize what are we doing wrong and leave ignorance and cowboy thinking away "if you are not with us, you are our enemy...doesnt work anymore, it is time to talk fellas!
    It is not about being "liberal" or "conservative", it is about to do something better than not doing nothing about the place WE live on it.
    Global Warming is there, soon or latter, but is there, and WE are helping to get it sooner, it is not about A NATURAL PROCESS ANYMORE, WE ARE HELPING TO GET THIS NATURAL PROCESS FASTER.
    It is not about Gore's movies, because politicians want to get more money for their pockets, doesnt matter righ or left side!!! and you dont get that!!!

    I think is better for our future generations, better quality of life, we buy our homes with sacrifices and what we do...WE TAKE CARE OF THEM, same thing with our land...WE TAKE CARE OF IT...simple.

    I dont care about environmentalist or Mr Gore, I care for what I CAN DO!!!

  • Darrel
    June 30, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Wow, so instead of just trusting what people say, I actually went to NASA's website, and they say Global Warming is real. In fact they say the atmosphere has NOT cooled down, and they are UNSURE as to the Sun being a factor in this.

    Please name one study, one organization that is not funded by Exxon Mobile/Shell/Chevron that really debunks Global Warming.

  • To This is so Utah | 10:51
    June 30, 2009 2:17 p.m.

    Human caused climate change is a lie. It's about power and money and it is working. You keep on wasting your time trying to change the climate. I'm going to spend my time on issues that really count.

    I don't care about environmentalists or Mr. Gore either. I care about the survival of this country and my childrens future. That is why I am going to do everything in my power to send Obama packing next election. Hopefully he hasn't totally destroyed us by then. Obama is a lot more dangerous than global warming.

  • This is so Utah
    June 30, 2009 2:39 p.m.

    Good point Darrel !!!

    to "to this is so Utah 10:51"...Climate change is happening as a "natural result", did you get that? BUT...with OUR help is speeding up, instead of taking 20 years, it will take 10..go it, or need apples to understand that?

    I dont think Im wasting my time to change climate, like you I care about my kids and education, health, save money, live a good life, BUT also I need to remember that I need a place to live, a safe place to live and if there is something out there that can help to live better and have good health I take it, simple. It is time to take care of each other, we live in a selfish world, where "me" is first, "me" is second and "me" is third and so on....but if we dont take care of OUR home, OUR planet, OUR land, there is not going to be future for next generations.
    If you want to vote Obama out next election...good for you, that is called democracy, for now Im sorry. Have a good life, be happy, take care of your land.

  • Jamie Carpenter
    July 2, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    Large bills like this Energy Bill should require a minimum of five years of research, reviewing all the options and implications before passing through the politician’s pen. Please vote NO. I support funding research of the options and implications before making new laws.

  • Global Warming
    July 4, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Mars is also warming...are we to blame for that too? Perhaps one should consider the sun as the true culprit or simple warming, post Ice Age. Writing of Ice Age, reminds me of the scare of the 70's. Scientists actually believed that another ice age or mini-ice age was likely. Some scientists today believe that scenario is still likely and far more threatening to society.

    If Al Gore actually believed in man made global warming, he would massively downsize his home and not allow for his celebrity benefit to have permitted EACH individual performer bring his/her OWN private jet creating a massive carbon footprint. Since he doesn't believe it, based on his actions, why should I?

  • Randy
    July 6, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    Now we have scienfic evidence to the contary. What do you think they will do now.

  • K
    July 22, 2009 9:41 p.m.

    How the heck does this create a "21st century global economy" by forcing new sources of domestic energy with the legislation?

  • Aaron W.
    Sept. 9, 2009 3:36 p.m.

    Darrel, Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT just come out with a 15 year long study on the trapping effect of CO2 on out going radiation. His study concludes that CO2 does not trap heat the way the scientific community thought it did. He states the IPCC's estimate on the effect of CO2 on the climate has been overstated by 6 times. Go research it. 2nd James Hansen of NASA is one of the worst scientist in the world, he's falsified several data bases for temperature records and had to correct them. Go look up the hottest year on record. It's not 1998. Also you think that the oil companies fund research, it's the other way round the environmental organizations are the ones funding research. Research that too. I encourge all of you to check out wattsupwiththat and climatedepot, they are really good websites.