Harsh, man. Harsh.
Doug Robinson has summed up Carlos Boozer's Jazz career perfectly! Enjoy
Detroit and its thriving population, Carlos!
Best written article about Boozer I've read yet. Sums up the way I've been
feeling the last 2 seasons about him as he rides the bench and collects his
check. Mercenary for hire, I love it.
You seen to forget that Detroit has been one of the most successful basketball
teams over the past 7 years. Utah has zero championships and never will while
Detroit had to sacrfice one bad year to get way under the cap and have
positioned themselves nicely as many free agents in 2010 maybe getting traded if
their current team believes they will get nothin in return for them after 2010.
Milslip has no offense game he's like playing 4 on 5 come on and Okur plays no
defense and is obsessed with the 3 ball, yeah so GO Jazz
Wow. Watching Deseret News sportswriters take apart one of the best players on
the Jazz is giving me a greater understanding of how the Salem Witch trials
worked. Sport and history, two for the price of one!
Oh, The Boozer woes continue. Those of you who think we are going to be trading
Boozer for Chris Bosch keep dreaming. O'Connor historically does about whatever
is worst case scenario for the Jazz. Watch- Boozer opts out and RESIGNS with
the Jazz. All these other offers are just smoke, but when it clears, believe
me... nobody wants this guy, except for... and pardon my criticism, O'Connor and
Williams. Buckle up and get ready for 2005-2009 part 2.
Right on!! I am just hoping the Jazz can manipulate this situation to bring in
a player that will make the ball club a legitimate contender in the Western
Conference like Chris Bosh; it would be a dream come true.
Get rid of Booz and if possible Kir and Korv. They are not winning players.
Need a Bosch, bigman and a shooter. Korv unreliable
Its refreshing to see an honest article on this Boozer thing. Most of the media,
especially 1320 kfan which is owned by the millers, continues to spin this
boozer thing as an overreaction by the fans and I am tired of hearing them tell
me what I should think. Boozer is a lazy, selfish, injury-prone, chemistry
disrupting, stat hound with no heart or desire to win. I don't even care if we
win a few less games next year, but I need change. I've seen this song and
dance, and I don't like it. If boozer is back, I will call that same day and
cancel my season tickets even with the 10% non-refundable portion.
If boozer is back I will not be.
Expiration date? Robinson, you summed it all up in those two words! Let somebody
else feed and walk that tea cup poodle for a while!
Couldn't agree more with everything said about Boozer, but have you got to put
this in print now? Are you TRYING to screw up any potential deals we might get
for the guy?
Look, I have as many doubts as about Boozer as the next guy, but NO ONE can
blame him for the move from Cleveland. They released him early, they lost him,
Great sports journalism doug...this should have beenwritten long ago!!!!!
Tell it like he is....a greedyguy with no real team spirit. However,
please do notdiscourage any team that would get him out of town.
They say that insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting
different results. Larry was the first to pay Boozer large amounts of money.
Anyone else doing the same thing and expecting a different result, is medically
looney.However, everyone needs to stop talking about Boozer this way
or no one will take him off our hands. We all must start thinking like Boozer
and act like we are in sales.....think of it as trying to off load a 74 Ford
Pinto.....focus on the good parts, not the bad.Boozer is a smart
player. He is a 20/10 guy. He plays defense (ok this is just marketing hype no
actual promise implied or intended). He has a great mid-range shot. He can
drive to the basket (or the bank when he is injured) with the best of them.
Get over it the NBA is a business.
Jazz are lucky to have Boozer. This is all part of the free agency game that is
played..rumors and more rumors...statements of loyalty ...statements of interest
in the open market.Would we get someone of equivalent talent to replace him?
Even if Milsap ends up not being as good as Boozer, you still get more out of
Milsap for the money, you can afford to keep Milsap, Korver, and Okur, and
you'll still have money left over to upgrade later on.Let
The Jazz don't need a 20/10 man as much as they need a leader with fight,
passion, and shows it on the court with tough defense. Let Boozer go and
everyone on the team will do better just like they did when he was watching the
games from the stands for free.
Here's a news flash to Jazz fans: free agents do not beat a path to play in
Utah. While there are better free agents, none want to play in a small market
town like Salt Lake. Boozer is the only free agent out there who actually
enjoys playing in Utah. Be thankful for what you have.
Lets sum up what losing Carlos Boozer does for the Jazz. LOTTERY.I
hope all of these fans, and apparently columnists, will be happy to slap down
their hard earned money to watch a team destined for the lottery next year. You
all say that you would rather watch a player with far less talent (Millsap),
than a guy who has had injuries but when healthy is one of the best offensive
players in the league. When the time comes to put your money where your mouth
is, I have a feeling you will all be back on these boards complaining about
spending money on a team that isn't winning games.Millsap is a role
player, best suited for coming off the bench. When he had his time to start, he
wore down physically and mentally after 20 games. Expand that to 82 games,
playing continually against #1's, not #2's, and his energy and hustle won't be
nearly as productive.You say "Buyer Beware," I say be careful what
you wish for.
Newflash to Dixie Dan I will give you 15million reasons to play in small market
Utah that wins more than loses. Will you take it? of course so will anybody
I agree, this was a great article and very TRUE! Boozer is Boozed up and on a
high for cash!!! That is what he wants, CASH, Cash, Cash! I remember the News
"Special" the Jazz and their Cars, who had the best collection, Take A Guess???
You got it, BOOZER!!! He is a MATERIAL GUY!!! I think he wants a fleet of
Hummers! I got news for you my friend, GM is selling Hummer to a Chinese group
in China! Guys like this are not worth it. Yeah, he made the all-star team last
year, but big deal! I hope he enjoys Detroit, New Jersey or Toronto. I highly
doubt we will get Bosh out of the deal, but it sure would be nice!
Yes this article describes Boozer but if we have to many of theses articles,
other teams might have second thoughts about wanting this looser. Keep it quiet
and them after he is gone, them write about the truth.
Must be a slow news day at DesNews. Robinson's article is NOT news it is a
malicious and personal attack on Boozer. I hope Carlos comes back and NEVER
gives DNews or Robinson an interview again. Doug, the article is
juvenile and you are better than this.
Who is this paid whiner who calls himself a journalist? Find a real story
instead of re-hashing emotions buddy. Jazz have some hard decisions to
make...good thing you don't, you couldn't pass the muster.Reality
lessonBoozer was injured skiing, driving a golf cart, or
snowboarding...not likely. He got hurt playing b-ball. Trainers say he is
hurt, coach says he is hurt...whining fans and journalists say feed him to the
lions or get out, make him play. We know better than the people hired to look
after that stuff... you are not really hurt. Play and make us happy for our
entertainment.Boozer is a thoroughbred, not some 1/4 horse you drag
out of the barn when you need an extra plow horse or something for the kids to
ride. He is used to special treatment. Live with it.If you are
going to quit your season tickets over re-signing him I say hurry up we need you
less than we need Boozer.We need more throughbreds to compete at NBA
levels in order to do that fans and journalists are going to have to overcome
their small minds.
I don't agree Utah will be a lottery team without boozer, because Williams is
too good to let that happen, but at the same time I do agree that everyone that
wants Boozer gone are in for a rude awakening when Utah doesn't have a go-to-guy
or post up player with his same abilities. Utah will not get even close to fair
value if they do a sign & trade.
It's not the "small" market of Utah that these players don't want, it's the
coaching we have here! As for Boozer-well what has been said is nothing but the
truth. Just another spoiled primma-donna that is way overpaid for what you get
back in return. Get him A.K., Collins, Knight, Miles,and "ALL" draft picks out
of here. Trades, free agents and last years bench warmers ala Koufus, Fess,
Price ect can and will change the mentality and performance of this team!
The Utah media has been demonizing Boozer and tarnishing his reputation since
before the season was even half over, yet they act betrayed and surprised when
they learn that he's interested in signing elsewhere? Take a stance and stick
with it, don't play the victim when the player you want to leave is on his way
out.Why did nobody write an article like this when Korver basically
said on a radio show that he kinda likes Utah, but not too much, and if
something else comes along he's outta here? Oh, because the fans like Korver and
you don't want to upset your readers. I see.
"he's got more baggage than Paris Hilton on holiday" - great line.
Wait and see, like Williams. The talk is never the walk. And I'm hoping
Boozer's walk is a long, long one away from here for a long time.
All I keep hearing (especially on 1320 KFAN, which is basically owned by the
Jazz) is that Boozer is a 20/10 guy. I keep hearing them try to beat into the
fans heads that this guy is good. Ok, he can score 20 points and get 10
rebounds a game. Milsap did nearly the same during his time at power forward.
Kirileko did nearly the same when he played power forward (pre-Boozer days). It
is the SYSTEM that the Jazz play. Put a decent player in there and they'll get
20/10.Fact is, Boozer gets his points and rebounds because that is
what shows up in the box score. He is ALL about money, and he's smart enough to
know that taking a charge or playing tough post up defense so the guy has to
kick it back out will NEVER show up in the box score. He puts in the effort to
get his numbers, and that's where his loyalty ends.We need someone
with a DESIRE to win, not a DESIRE to get the next paycheck cashed!!
Even loyal Boozerites always have to put a qualifier at the end of every
sentence about him -- as in "He's a 20/10 guy WHEN (and only when) he's on the
floor." P.S. That's only 2/3 of the time and money you're going to pay him
for. Always a qualifier, and that's why he's a fraud.
He'll fit in perfectly with the citizens of Detroit. They are all corrupt and
manage to make way more than they deserve. Detroit is a burden to the country
and Boozer is to whatever team he plays for.
Yeah Detroit clearly is not a winning situation. A team in 6 of the last 7
conference finals is definitely a poor situation compared to Utah's illustrious
history of success... Both Boozer and Okur only went to the Jazz because they
offered more money- don't cry in your non-alcoholic beer now that they're
leaving for the very same reasons...
To all of you who are worried about news articles chasing other teams away from
taking Boozer. Wake Up!If Boozer opts out the Jazz don't need to do
anything. If no one wants him they could end up resigning him for a bargain
deal. And if he doesn't opt out they will trade him to a team looking for an
expiring contract. So just sit back, relax, enjoy the show, and hope that
O'Conner and Sloan don't botch things up.
Best thing to every happen to the Cavs was lose Boozer. I mean look who they
Everything said in that article was 100% true. Doug might have taken it easy on
In a season where Boozer was hurt and did not play for 40+ games, and came back
not at 100%, the Jazz managed to hang onto the 8 seed.It's not a far
stretch to say that next season could end up 1 more slot down the rankings for
the Jazz, especially without Booz.
although I was excited five years ago when the Jazz signed Boozer, I believed
even then that he lacked integrity by the way he deceived Cleveland. He is
clearly talented, but he lacks the heart and character that real winners have.
Does it hurt to lose a guy like Boozer? Yes and no. Sure, his talent and
potential will be missed but his lack of defense and absence of heart will not
be missed. He is entitled to pursue the team or money he wants and we are
entitled to show him little respect.
You are clearly thinking with emotion, not basketball intelligence.Millsap played very well for the first 20 games after Booz went down. He then
started getting nagging injuries, started being much less productive, and was
exhausted. You forget to mention that in your comment. Simply
plugging someone into Booz's spot is completely unrealistic. Millsap is
efffective and productive because he is able to come off the bench, use his
energy and hustle to outwork opponents for baskets, and play much of his time
against #2's on the other team. We saw what happened to him when his minutes
were increased. Broken down body, less energy, and far less production.As for AK, that is very obvious to anyone who has watched the Jazz. He
was putting up good numbers, while playing with a terrible team around him. AK
needs many more touches to get to the same output that Boozer does, and that
means less opportunities for DWill. AK is nothing more than a #4-5 option on
offense, and that will never change.
Nice work Doug, you hit the nail on the head.
Someone once said " Boozer only plays hard when he's motivated". Such a true
statement...and we all know the big bucks motivate Boozer. What a sad case! I
think Utah would have embraced Boozer if he were a more personable guy. He has
an I don't care what you all think attitude. Unfortunately he thinks he is a
much better player than he really is! It's Boozer and his agent that is hyping
him up to get the bidding going! Let Boozer be someone else's head case!
Let Boozer go after his almighty buck and keep AK happy! AK will be a light
hearted player without Boozer! He will get his mojo back! It would be great to
see AK play the way he used to! I for one would like to see AK happy again. A
happy player makes for a happy team. Boozer has had a sour affect on the Jazz
players this season!
This article may seem extreme to some, but the sports media in Salt Lake is
rather benign in its treatment of players when compared to other markets in the
NBA. That's one of the reasons Boozer likes it here. If he were in L.A. or New
York he would be fortunate to be in one piece. Personally, I feel
the truth is somewhere in the middle of the views expressed here. Boozer is not
as bad, on the one hand, nor as necessary to the team on the other, as the two
extremes suggest. The Jazz will go on either way. I would enjoy the team more
sans Boozer. Throw in Kirilenko who has lost his enthusiasm for playing with the
Jazz and I would be most happy.
Best article I have seen the DN write. Detroit was all about defense when they
were good. Boozer is not going to help them in that catagory. Problem is if
the Jazz let him go, you have to replace him with someone that can help the
team. If the Jazz do nothing but sign Milsap, lucky to win 45 games next year.
AK is not the answer. We need to at the minimum get Amare. Millsap will break
down by the Allstar break.
Let Boozer move on! We need to keep Korver and Okur tho. Too many changes at
once will not work for the Jazz. Korver and Okur truly like Utah and are very
valuable assests to the Jazz organization! Both work on their game and are a
positive influence on other players! They both have great basketball skills and
love of the game!
Don't tip our hand that we know what Boozer's all about -- you'll scare off the
Carlos Boozer is a cancer that needs to be cut out of the Jazz. A black hole on
offense, a mexican bullfighter on defense (ole!), and a chemistry killer in the
locker room. Bye Bye Boozer.
The only question is who is more blind: GGund or DRob?
Ok, ok... Boozer has had his ups and downs throughout his career at Utah. But
give the guy a break as half of his salary will now be going to his spouse to
cover child support ;) That's at least 5 million per year, right...?Although at first glance he looks as if he was built out of stone, he is as
fragile as glass. That's not an opinion, its a fact! Sure he did do some good
things at Utah, but could have been so much better if he really cared about
winning. In the end, Boozer is similar to that movie.. "He's just not that into
winning"To be honest, I just want a winner and someone who will work
hard in the post. Whether Boozer "Man's Up" or not, I don't really care. I
guess I really just want the Mailman in his late 20's back!
Time to go, move on, the fans already have. This guy doesn't deserve his $12.7
salary. No passion in his game besides yelling when missing free throws.Let's bring in Bosh.Good article Doug!
Great article, but I hope no one in Detroit, Toronto or New Jersey reads it. I
am tired of hearing excuses from loser for his $12 M hangnail while Millsap
would crawl on the floor just to play.
Sometimes you have to take a step backward to go forward. Maybe the Jazz tried
to rebuild to fast and without lottery talent. What if the Jazz let Memo, Booz
and Korver all go if they all opt out. Trade AK next year in the last year of
his contract and rebuild with the core of Milsap,Koufos,Brewer,D-will,CJ and
NY's lottery pick (hopefully a high one) and plenty of $$$ to get some new
players with some heart!! If we don't make the playoffs then that's two lottery
picks you could use to move up in the draft if needed next year. (That plus a
new coach who will give the young guys time to develop.) Then you could count on
D-Will to be your team leader/allstar as he would be one of the older guys on
the team.Here is the problem if the jazz keep their core together
(milsap,boozer,and Memo) they still aren't a championship team in my opinion.
Also if you are going to pay someone 15 million a year it better be a two way
player like KG not Booz.
Beside Malone/Howard - Every post player has Injury:Over the last 5
seasons (410 regular season games):Nene played 213 games (51%) -9.7
millionMartin played 265 games (64%)-14.4 millionJOneal played 274
games (66%)-21 millionBoozer played 276 games (67%)-11.6 millionBrand played 277 games (67%)-13.7 millionStoudmire played 297 games
(72%)-15.0 millionWest played 308 games (75%)-9.8 millionShaq played
308 games (75%)-21 mil a year Ming played 317 games (77%)-15.0 millionKirilenko played 319 games (78%) - 15.1 millionOkafor played 330 games
(81%)- 9.5 millionJefferson played 331 games (81%) 11 millionGasol
played 339 games (82%)- 15.1 millionMiller played 340 games (82%)- 11.4
millionGarnett played 362 games (87%)-24.7 millionBosh played 364
games(88%)-14.4 millionIlgauskas played 372 games (91%)-10.8 millionR.Wallace played 377 games (91%) millionDuncan played 379 games
(92%)-20.4 millionJamison played 380 games (92%) - 9.9 millionOkur
played 388 games (94%)- 8.5 millionNowitzki played 395 games (96%) - 18
millionHoward played 407 games (99%)- 13.7 million
detroit makes a salary cap move, has one bad season in a decade and you think
boozer wanting to go to detroit is purely for the money? you're an idiot. Joe D
will put people around him to make that team sucessful. The real question is,
does detroit want boozer. I don't want his injury prone self... you can keep
sorry folks but this article could be exactly the same for AK just by changing
the names. We have 2 huge malignant tumors in the locker room - and we need to
cut both out to heal!
IMark and the rest of you. Relax, If you think that the GM of any team in the
NBA makes thier decision based on what the fan says in the comment section of
the local newpaper, then you are even more of a dreamer than Boozer. Every GM's
favorite quote is " They (the fan)don't understand, they have never played in
the NBA." And....they don't pay much more attention to the "beat writers"
The best thing we could do is bring in Rasheed Wallace and his bad boy
attitude!! He can still score and he has a nasty attitude that might get Memo
and AK playing defense. No one would dance down the middle without taking a
forearm to the head. He could teach out young big men how to play the game the
old fashioned way. Wallace is the last of the big men who just want to beat you
up. He would be a steal on the free agency market.
@ Blind fans:You mention what a great offensive attribute Boozer is.
It's funny because he was the 3rd highest scorer on the team. You go down the
list of NBA teams and tell me who the 3rd highest scorer on each team is and I
bet that list is mediocre... just like Boozer.I'd also like to hear your
honest opinion on Boozer's defense?@ Mark-E-MarkBoozer
was on the record not more than a year ago saying he sees himself playing out
his career in Utah. Then midway through the year he says he's going to opt out
regardless. Then at the end of the year he's wanted to stay in Utah all along.
Now just recently he's talked about going to another team. Well he's been so
straight forward and honest I can't understand why people would be upset with
him either?Korver on the other hand has kept his mouth shut since he got
TRADED here (not his decision). He's just gone out and played hard, didn't make
mention of HIS option to opt out after the season until... after the season.
In my opinion the jazz can find somebody of better value for Carlos Boozer I
really like thee idea of the jazz getting Tyler Hansbrough from North Carolina
in the draft Ive always seen Boozer as a choke of a player so if he wants to
leave then lets get ride of him But not to free agency were he could sign with
another western conference team trade him
@ RE:Booz 9:30 AMYea Millsap's 17 or 19 double-doubles (don't
remember exact number)... that was really bad. He looked worn down to me. He was playing against the number one guy on every team during that stretch.
I agree that he started to wear down after he banged both his knees up,
but he came back strong.Does anybody disagree with me that the Jazz
went downhill AFTER Boozer came back from injury. You can't deny that. The
Jazz went to pieces after having a 12 game winning streak (mostly while Boozer
was out)! The Jazz will be fine without Boozer.
I CAN'T WAIT to see Boozer (AKA: peanut brittle) go to another team and go down
with a major injury two weeks into the season. I'll laugh myself to tears it
will be so funny.
By Boozer, don't trip going out the door.
Amen! I'm just waiting for the contract that pays players based on their
production. It happens with US in the normal workplace (or at least it should).
This guy is only worth two thirds of his contract.
People used to compare Boozer to Malone because he's a 6'9" Power Forward with
20-10 stats. Of course, that's where the similarity ends. Malone was one of
the most durable and consistent players of all time, was much more competitive,
and played hard on the defensive end. Malone was good enough to beat Shaq,
Olajuwon, Duncan, Barkley, and David Robinson on the way to the finals. What has Boozer ever done in the playoffs? Mostly just get embarrassed
by Odom, Gasol, and Duncan. Where is T-Mac when you need him? Why should the
Jazz pay Boozer as if he were Malone when it is clear to see he is just not a
dependable franchise-player? They made the same mistake with AK out of fear and
desperation that they couldn't get anyone better right away. Personally, I'd rather see the Jazz save their money even if they have a few
down years. If they re-sign Boozer I fully expect to see another 5 years of
injuries and mediocre up and down Jazz teams that will never once finish in the
top-3 in the West.
The Jazz would be better in the long run by taking a step back next year. Let
Boozer go, find a suitor for AK, resign Millsap, get Okur only if at the right
price; by doing this they can snag a 2010 free agent and no I'm not talking
about Lebron or Wade. Maybe Bosh or Joe Johnson, etc while everyone else is
focused on Lebron and Wade.
The unfortunate truth is that New Yorks pick will like be in the teens. The
East is still bad, and they don't want to be too terribe while trying to lure
Lebron in 2010. Including Brewer an CJ in the list of "core"
players is laughable. The CORE of the Jazz today is DWill, and the only way
that gets added to is if (1) Boozer resigns and becomes the #2, or (2) Boozer is
traded for someone like Bosh who is a legit #2 in the league. Other than those
possibilities, no one on the roster is a "core" piece.
Boozer is absolutely worth 12 million a year.The rumors now are that
Detroit may be more interested in Millsap than Boozer and could possibly make
Millsap a rediculous offer (9-10 mil a year) instead of Boozer, I have a hard
time seeing the Jazz paying 9-10 Mil a year for Millsap.Wouldn't
that be poetic justice? The Pistons steal Millsap away from the Jazz and that
leaves Boozer totally at the mercy of the Jazz because no other team with cap
space wants him. If he wants a bigger contract from Jersey or Toronto the Jazz
would have to agree to a sign and trade, if the Jazz didn't agree to it they
could offer him a low ball contract and he would have little choice other than
take it.I would hate to lose Millsap, but I can't help but love the
irony of it.
It certainly seemed like the Jazz playing and winning declined when Boozer came
back. The team played alot better feeding off each other without Boozer! That
being said...the Jazz still need a power forward. Make that a big power
forward! Milsap is a good player, but he just isn't going to fill the role of a
sizable power forward. It would be nice to keep Milsap if the price is not out
of sight. His hard play does not make up for his size. He's just too short to
be the man!Hopefully someone will figure it out!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!!! FINALLY!!! GIVE US BOSH!!!!
Opinions on Boozer are all over the place, even from sportswriters.Maybe Booz isn't real---just a figment of our imaginations?Did we
dream these last 5 years?Pinch yourself!Reality check:
D-Will wants him back. How many of you think D-Will isn't sane?Also,
Korver haters, he had to have surgery after the season. Let's see YOU hit long
jump shots accurately with his injury.
The Jazz line-up should look something like this if I had my way:Starting: C- Memo PF- Chris Bosh SF-
AKSG- BrewerPG- DwillBackupsKoufus, Fesenko,
Millsap, Chris Anderson, CJ Miles, Matt Harpring, Korver, Ronnie Price, sign one
Utah Jazz fans had the nerve to lash out at Derek Fisher when he left for his
daughter's treatment. It looks like you only lash out when it doesn't work for
your benefit. Jazz had no problem signing Boozer back when the Cavaliers were
TRUSTING him to re-sign.You no longer want Boozer so you have no
problem pointing out his "contract signing" flaws when you want to get rid of
him. (I think the Cavaliers could have used him this year, who knows maybe they
would be playing in the finals??!!) What goes around comes around for both
Boozer and the Jazz.Go Fisher! I'm pulling for you to win another
Tyler Hansbrough plays hardJerome Betis is from Pittsburgh
Really, Doug? You had to beat Boozer down even more? The message boards
weren't full enough from all of the other anti-Boozer articles? The mob, er I
mean, fans, hadn't done a thorough enough job beating him to the ground? I'm no
Boozer fan, but when everyone's already on the bandwagon, why keep recruiting?
The wagon is full.Oh, and forget about Chris Bosh everyone. He will
never grace a Jazz uniform. No way, no how. Does a blockbuster trade sound
like Jazz front office behavior to you? The Jazz draft talent and trade for
role players. It's fact.
Dude, you are way too bitter! If you want to change jobs can't you? So why
can't Carlos Boozer? Carlos is not the reason the Jazz lose and everybody knows
@ Stevie-OFirst of all, unlike you, I've done the research and it
shows Boozer was there for eight games of the 12-game winning streak. What
Boozer haters can't comprehend is that the Jazz collapse at the end of the
season coincided with a schedule that had them playing a bevy of road games
against good competition. Anyone who knows anything about the Jazz's core as
presently constituted (Williams, Boozer, Okur) knows that this is a team that
can't win on the road. Therefore, logic suggests it was perpetual road woes that
killed the Jazz not the mythical chemistry killer.By the way, I
don't get Jazz fans' obsession with Bosh. He's 6'10 230 lbs, and in his career
he's averaged 0.7 more BPG (1.2 BPG) than Boozer. For all his length and
athleticism, he's hardly a defensive presence. Not only that, but he's never
shot 50% from the field in his career. You all hate Boozer's injuries, and
deservedly so, but Bosh has never played a full season himself. Just because
ESPN touts Bosh as a superstar doesn't mean you have to.
Don't say mean things about carlos, you might make it so no one else wants him
and we would be stuck. I say pay for play. He should play next year for 6 mil.
Lose the boozer. Chances are the Jazz are going to pay for no play.Keep Koufas
as he works a he really works at his game and down the road he can only get
better. My picks to stay . Ak ,memo, D-Will, Brewer, Koufas, Mllsap, and
Harpering just to beat up on Kobe. Collins, Fes, Boozer. CJ and
Knight. These can close up shop and go elsewhere Keep the workers and pack up
Hansen. Jazz don't have to give him big contract and pick up two or three more
guys to replace this Boozer guy. Sorry, I am not the guy at the Jazz dept who
understand how this work when comes to trading market. Travis does have guts!
Many would disagree that Fish's intentions were that pure. Awful convenient
landing with the Lakers that quick, wouldn't you say?
Seriously- so funny!!! I couldn't agree more and loved reading this article!
Perfectly said, my friend.
Re: Dead HorsePerfect post! Seriously, I couldn't agree more. Doug might
have just cut and pasted from these message boards to write this article. I'm not the biggest Booz fans out there, but I think we're too harsh on
the guy. Realistically, some of us really are expecting our power forward to be
as durable, strong, and defensively minded as Karl Malone... guess what fans?
There was only one Karl Malone... and most of you didn't like him either!Through the years we've all been so critical. Critical fans are
ridiculous. So many act like they can do better than Jazz management. Well, I am
grateful you'll never have a chance to try.Thank you Carlos for
being a two time all star for us.... for getting us to a confrence finals and
being a great first go to guy for D-Wil. Sorry more of these fans didn't
appreciate you more... We'll realize how good you were after you're gone.
I hate it that pro basketball today is all about money to the players. It's not
enough to be in love with the game. How did all these BIG BUCKS for play get
started. Its the same with the other sports too especially baseball. What a
disappointment when the players go to the media and say what they'll do for how
much $ they can get. Players go for the bigger paycheck not the game. Boozer can leave for all I care if money is all he cares about. How much does
one man need in a lifetime? I love the jazz. I'm a California girl and I
hate the Lakers, I'm just sick of primma donnas who act badly. Next we'll be
seeing stamping of feet and whinning to go with it all. Bummer.
In regards to my previous post, the main point was to keep your young talent and
then add through the lottery and free agency to get a better contender not the
current group of softies. NY's pick was 8 this year, and unless they pull off a
trade, they probably won't get better. They could also lose David Lee and unless
they get lucky in the draft, I don't see them getting better next year with a
rookie. That plus the fact that they are trying to get under the salary cap
enough so that they can sign two free agents in 2010 to max money. The easier
way to rebuild for the Jazz is probably to do a sign and trade and or sign
everyone and trade them later so they don't lose anyone without compensation.
It's looking scary if Detriot is able to get rid of more salary cap space. No
one is talking about it, but they may go after Okur to replace Wallace's three
point shooting. I think they would have kept Okur if they could have afforded
him in the past.
KJI'm not in a position to view statistics while I'm posting. So
when I say things it has to be from memory. Are you saying Boozer came back
from injury and lead the Jazz to 8 more victories? As I remember Booze didn't
have the shooting touch, or play well at all his first few games back
(uderstandably so considering he was out a while). The Jazz won despite his low
production.I will admit the tough schedule contributed to the Jazz
rough end to the season, but Boozer never got back to his real form. If a
player demands BIG money they need to carry the team. My questions
for the Boozer lovers are:1- Why does Boozer get a free pass to loaf on
defense just because he's "a great offensive player."2- Does Boozer
honestly deserve a raise?3- Charles Barkley question: If Boozer does want
a massive contract "Can he get your team over the hump?" I think
Boozer has already proven he can't get the team over the hump so we can't afford
to pay him more money.
KJ part IIDid you watch Chris Bosh in the Olympics? There IS a
reason he played and Boozer sat on the bench and watched. Bosh has heart. The
guy goes 100% no matter what team he's on, no matter what the score is. Also... Defense isn't only determined by blocked shots. Bosh is more mobile
than Boozer.Also... If your only definition of a good offensive
player is shooting percentage than I guess you don't want Kobe Bryant, Dwayne
Wade, Paul Peirce, or Lebron James on your team. Those guys don't usually shoot
over 50% during a season either. Very few players do!
@ The TruthAll good points! Memo is in the background a bit with
all the Boozer rumors floating around. Detroit is all over our players. They
want Millsap... then they want Boozer... and like you said Memo would replace
wallace perfectly! I personally hope they get Boozer and leave the other two
Great article - 100% spot on.But what if this gets picked up
nationally and the Detroit, Toronto and NJ ownership groups read it? It could
kill any potential deal. And now there's not even a cluless Isiah in NY that
would bail Utah out with a sign and trade for Boozer.Carlos is a
great stats guy, but he's not a winner. He doesn't play with heart. Isn't
willing to do the dirty work (i.e. play defense). I'm not saying his injuries
weren't legit, but his recovery times were ridiculous. Just look at
Millsap. The guy played on 1 leg for weeks because the team had no one else. He
should have been on IR. I agree - we can't replace Boozer's 20/10.
But Millsap EASILY gets 15/8 - and gives up a lot fewer points on the other end.
Not only to the PF, but also on the defensive switches that Booz rarely covers.
If O'Connor ends up resigning this clown - and losing Millsap as a
result, I'll have to find another team to cheer for.
Boozer Starting - 2008 - 200936 games - 16.2 ppg (49.1%), 1.08 spg, 0.17
bpg, 10.4 rpg and 2.2 apgMillsap Starting - 2008 - 200938
games - 16.0 ppg (54.5%), 1.24 spg, .97 bpg, 10.3 rpg, and 2.4 apg
@ Stevie-OLook, I'm not saying Boozer is better than Bosh, I'm not
even saying Boozer is worth keeping, I just find a lot of the garbage being
tossed around about Booze is unfounded. Regarding your comments on Bosh, yes he
was more worthy of playing time in the olympics because he is more skilled, but
my point is the difference between the two players is minute. I've watched Bosh
play many times, and in my opinion, he's as effective (or ineffective) as Booze
is on the defensive end. On the flipside, he's explosive offensively, but
usually settles for jumpers (hence the lack of solid FG%), rather than being
aggresive. And by the way, bigger guys (PF, C) usually play closer to the hoop,
so in turn their FG% is almost always higher than perimeter players. Comparing
Bosh's FG% to perimeter players isn't logical because they don't play the same
position. Comparing his FG% to Boozer makes much more sense for obvious reasons
and it shows that Boozer is the more efficient offensive player.
pistons won a championship with Wallaces but lost their future. Memo could
EASILY replace Sheed in one years' time with right coach.It's easy to say if you
found out how rapidly he developed and become a big time player despite being
too young to handle this kind of responsibility.Why Pistons era of discipline,
teamwork ended badly is Rasheed's perception: "we can win whenever we want, no
need to worry".It's called "cancer of team". Also, Memo's leaving Detroit is
completely different story.First reason: playing mins, second: Larry Brown.
Carlos was gonna have his enough playing time for sweet stats with
respect,interest. Carlos' offensive presence will be surely missed but can be
replaced.Our offense will find a way to score sufficiently.We should find a PF-C
who can contribute both sides of floor and create a respectable inside
presence.Balanced+relatively more contributions from Memo+deron+starting PF will
be compulsory when more contribution from bench/role players will be key to the
Well we won't hear that over the PA anymore at home games. I have not liked
Boozer since his Duke days but tried to give him a chance in Utah. Good job by
the Jazz not giving him a big deal. Look at Washington. They give Arenas a big
20 million per year contract and he sat out all year again. Boozer is not worth
what he wants. The sad thing is is that when the Jazz play the team that he
goes to, the game will sell out, so that Jazz fans can Boo this loozer,
but...one problem... He will be in street clothes, so we will have to do what
Cleveland did and show his picture on the jumbotron and boo him then. Boozer
sucks. Get this loozer out of here. The Jazz also need to get rid of the
overpaid AK47. He irks me more than Boozer did.
The reality is that Jerry wants Boozer back in uniform (or suit). Jerry gets
what Jerry wants. The only thing that will keep Boozer from wearing a Jazz
uniform next year is Boozer. Jerry loves the guy. Which makes no sense. Jerry
whines about guys with no heart which Boozer has none. Jerry whines about
defensive which Boozer has none. Jerry whines about guys talking days off which
Boozer takes off weeks at a time. Jerry whines about playing hard which Boozer
never does. Jerry whines everything and Boozer is not everything to anyone. So
which is it Jerry? You sound like you are running for a political office.
Talking out both sides of your mouth.
I don't understand the love affair with Bosh. I would rather see Okafur and
Gerald Wallace come to Utah. Defense and offense, covering positions Utah needs
to trade up in.
Possibly the reason Korver might want to leave Utah is because Sloan does not
know how to use his talent and most of the players do not pass him the ball. He
should be a lot more accurate now that he has had surgery on his wrist, at least
he still goes out and plays hard even with an injury-can't say that about all of
the Jazz players. I saw him hustle as hard on defense as almost anyone except
maybe Milsap. I think maybe it is time for Sloan
How about Maxiel-Det(free agent), Gordon-Chicago (free agent),Tyrus
Thomas-Chicago(tradeable), Crawford & Turiaf-GS,(for A.K.), Wallace &
Bell-Charlotte (tradeable), Nocioni-Sac (tradeable), for softies and old
players- Knight, Collins, Miles, A.K., Boozer, and Harpring (expiring contract).
Also all draft choices from last year, this year and the Knick pick next year to
accomplish the goal of toughness! Roll the players, the trades however, add the
free agents and we would be a competitor again! Do it Greg, Kevin, & Sloan.
What's your point? Booze is willing to leave a team behind for $21 million
dollars?Can you blame him? Would you do differently? I bet you
would ditch your company for $21,000 probably 2100. Booze is one of
the best PF in the league any team would be lucky to have him. He is in the top
25 for career FG%. I hope he stays in Utah
I'm getting tired of reading you guys. Can you find some better journalists?
People who actually like the Jazz? Seriously. I used to check
DesNews everyday just to read about the Jazz. I'm getting sick of it. This is
terrible stuff. Your article about "chemistry" was ridiculous. I can't believe
he compared his high school team to the NBA. Doug Robinson called people in the
upper bowl "slugs" earlier this year. I'm sick of these people.
Why would those other teams want those players?It the system and the
coach, folks!Until that changes the jazz will get:the same system,the same TYPE of players, players that sloan wants
and fits his system (and the jazz dwill get rid of tthe ones sloan doesn't
like, how many offensive minded 2s and 3s have the jazz kept around, or has
sloan played?), and the same outcome, no championship.
Yes, I agree that the writer exercised ill will toward Boozer. For good or for
bad Boozer is Boozer. If you don't like him on the Jazz team complain to the
owner of the team. He's the one who can do something about it (i.e. let him go
and replace him with someone else.) Stop whining, enough already.
I actually feel sorry for Boozer. He is a very talented PF. He also have more
problems than PH. What I really care about is getting a winning
team. If Boozer stays for a reasonable price and contributes that is great. If
Boozer leaves and the Jazz get a decent replacement that is also great. It is a business for both Boozer and the fans. I want to win (with or
without Boozer). I am tired of slightly better than average (8th seed), early
exits. The Jazz will not make the playoffs next year unless changes are made.
Boozer and Sloan are good places to start. If Boozer stays, plays
hard and helps, then great, if not then best wishes.
Im sorry but the toronto raptors are not for a single second interested in
I think every NBA team already knows Boozer history, maybe some other teams are
gambling just like the Jazz 5 years ago hoping that Boozer will find the Jazz as
his home team, but as we say it's a gamble and it didn't work out between the
Jazz and Boozer, so some other teams are hoping that Boozer as talented as he is
will find what team he really wants by taking a chance of acquiring him... as
for the Jazz we should evaluate our options regarding Boozer, a "sign and trade"
is I think the best option for both parties, eventhough if Boozer said he wants
to stay but actually he really wants out but because of his poor performance
last season with lots of missed games, he will try to impress other teams by
playing one more year with the Jazz whether the team make the playoffs or not,
therefore a more beautiful offer will likely happen by the end of next season
for him, I think that's the strategy of Boozer so the Jazz must not be fooled on
what he says like he wants to stay,really?
Boozer's got to go! He can score when he wants to, but he gives up at least as
much on the defensive end so really, he's giving us zero. I've been a die-hard
Jazz fan for as long as I have been watching basketball (15 years) and never
before have I heard Jazz fans boo one of their own "stars" off the floor. I
heard it at least 4 times this season alone. It's true we probably won't get a
Chris Bosh or any high profile star, but at least we will be getting rid of a
high profile deadbeat! Let him go! At least Millsap works hard on both ends of
the floor and puts up numbers while doing it.
Boozer is my man!! i want him back utah!! we need him. Give us another chance.
Expressed my feelings to a T. BOOzer is lame...let's let some other NBA team
pay BOOzer to sit the bench.
Yapp about something long enough and eventually it becomes Gospel. A handfull of
you malcontents continually bag on Boozer about his defense and over time he
becomes a bad defensive ball player.For big men there's PTS, Rbds
and defense. How many players in the league can do it all? With Boozer you get
20 and 10 every night with average defense. And his defense in spite of the way
some of you paint it, is about the league average.You people have
vilified Carlos for so long you've started to believe your own lies.....Run him
outta here! Trade him! Let him walk!.........Then your sorry asses are gonna
wish to hell you had him back. What you're going to find is, he's not that easy
Fisher was open from the very beginning and I read it in a DESERET NEWS
article...mentioning the LA Lakers as a possibility of where he could end up.
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about Fisher knows that he is a straight
up guy. Larry Miller released him and at that point he was free to sign with
anyone that was close to his daughter's treatment.Lakers were a mess
at the time that he signed with them. There was no Pau Gasol, etc. NO ONE
thought the Lakers would play in the finals last year!On the Jazz
team he was a back up player and with the Lakers he became a starter, so who had
the deeper team at that time??? Boozer's deal with signing with
Utah and leaving Cleveland hanging is very different. He got more money in Utah
(if I remember right Fisher took a pay cut!!)Would love to see the
Lakers (and Fisher!) get another championship this year!
Are you the same macnamara that couldn't make the team? Or any NBA team for
that matter! Is Macnamara your idea of a good basketball player? If that's the
case I don't beleive your basketball IQ is up to snuff.
Finally somebody from local media had the guts to write truth about worst
defensive player ever to play on the Jazz and in all NBA's history - Boozer.
Jazz are certainly better without him. Thanks and only if you finally
write something similar about Sloan?
Let's be realistic. While I agree that it's been tough to have Boozer miss so
many games and to watch his sometimes awful defense, but who are the jazz going
to get to replace him. there is no one in the league that the jazz can afford
that can put up those numbers. Millsap is not there yet, and we don't know if he
ever will be. Yes he had a very good 20 games, but that's it. And for all those
complaining about the money, have you forgotten Andre Kirilenko? I would much
rather put up with Boozer then to see Kirilenko's worthless game on the floor.
Kirelenko hasn't done anything for the jazz!
Let's hope Booze opts out of his contract and walks. He can be somebody else's
@reality.....The reality is we can't get rid of AK but we can get rid of Boozer.
If he stays we trade him, if he opts out we wave goodbye. Same with AK after
next year. Then we can finally move forward with guys who want to play the game
called basketball. AK is a baby and Carlos is all about Carlos. Neither one of
them will ever win a championship in the NBA.
couldn't agree more. we need new blood in the line up. right now the Jazz will
never beat the Lakers or any other elite team. you can't improve with the
players we have, especially boozer. this season is as good as that group of
players can ever be.
An NBA player is lucky to have what, an eight year career? And you are calling
a guy a mercenary for trying to maximize his value over that short career?I think most people would jump at the chance to do the same job they are
currently doing for better pay. In fact, to reject the opportunity to do so is
downright stupid. Keep sucking on those sour grapes, Doug, and if a
bigger newspaper ever comes calling with a nice offer I hope you reject it out
I don't think any is faulting Boozer for wanting the most money. They are
faulting him for his lack of effort on the court and his massive injury list.
Everyone is now questioning whether or not he is really worth that kind of money
to keep him around given his track record. The consensus is he is not worth the
money in the future and to let him walk.
man, I almost lost it. People actually are afraid of potential deals being
halted with other teams because of articles like this??? One journalist's
opinion with countless comments attached underneath aren't being watched by NBA
team execs. Don't flatter yourselves!
After watching the last few seasons I would agree that Boozer is unreliable and
not consistant. He is not worth 70 million dollars. Really not many are.
When he was in the game I never knew what was going to happen. I hope he
Greg Miller called Carlos a "Marquee Player". And Coach Sloan said, "Bottom line
Boozer makes the team better." I'd bet the farm their assessment of him is
closer to reality than all you juveniles combined.
Hey Macnamera, You can bet your farm over to me if you want Sloan as your
foundation of conviction. Sloan stopped smoking awhile back but still breathes
in stupid fumes. If Boozer is so marquee, let him test the free agent waters in
2010. He knows a long term deal is right for his greed right now. Fine make your
money elsewhere Boozer. If the Jazz pay this guy Memo's money, then kiss the
real money man goodbye. The Jazz can also kiss my thousands of bucks a year
goodbye as well. BOOZER IS WEAK.
Can somebody tell me where we are replacing Boozers 20 and 10 a night if he does
not re-sign here?The fact is we are not replacing it and there is
NOBODY on this roster who can. Millsap? Not even close.I hate
Boozers effort and I hate his defense and I hate his dumb classless PR comments
that he makes.All that said there is no way we should let Boozer
go.We should let Memo go and sign Gortat in his place. Then we
should trade Ronnie Brewer for a shooting guard that can actually shoot.
DUH!!!Then Gortat can stand in the middle and defend like a Center
is supposed to (and clean up for Boozers mess of a defensive effort).Then our "shooting guard" should be the one shooting 3's to spread the
floor.There--problem solved. You can still run the
same PG to PF system but you have appropriate people at their proper positions
instead of the abortion we have now. Center shooting 3's? Shooting guard who
has to score at the rim or he is useless/totally ineffective?Get the
right people in the right slots and things will happen.
@ you have to be kidding....You are correct. Most of us would do
the same thing, given a chance. It is just that we would not announce it to our
boss over the intercom, before we had the new job locked up, and even then, we
would have more class.Boozer is talented, but mercenary. He plays
hard, but without passion. He works out, quite obviously, but not as hard as he
could, nor with the goal of being the best. OK is good enough for him, because
it isn't about the game or winning. It is a job, and the NBA is a business. I
am ok with that, but don't expect me to care for him when he is just an
employee, just like the guy selling popcorn.I would rather see the
Jazz save their money and keep looking for the employee that is really
passionate about the game. That is why I loved Stockton so much, and respected
The problem with saying this out loud is that we want Booz out of here, don't
tell people not to take him from us!
Boozer neds to get out of town quick, send him to toronto for bosh. With bosh we
get boozers offensive numbers and someone who can actually play some D. Bosh and
another defensive player = championship.
You'ld be wrong!And they are wrong.2007-2008 season with a
healthy boozer:jazz: 54-28. lose in second round to lakers 2-4 (wiht
boozer putting up bad number in the series)2008-2009 season with
boozer out most of the time:jazz 48-34 lose in first round to lakers
1-4 (with boozer putting up good numbers in the series)The
fact is for all his millions and glory numbers he makes very litte
difference,(his offensive numbers are meaningless since the jazz
system is designed for power forwards to score a lot, AK did, milssp did, so a
even a moderetly talented PF can score a lot, in the jazz system the PF
points are always inflated)especially for one that is supposed to be
the team star, the marquee player.in other words, the jazz are
wastng their BIG money on player that can NOT help them win a championship, but
only a few more regular season games.
Would you trust Millsap (who I love) with the game on the line? Could you throw
the ball down to him in the lane and ask him to go win a game for you? Boozer
has done that for us before. He won us a game 7 in Houston, and against the
Lakers this year. Millsap wore down starting 20 games for us. Millsap was who
Boozer was 5 years ago when Utah signed him. So all the people who say Boozer
has no heart. How do you know Millsap will be playing the same way in 5 years?
Go look how Boozer played in Cleveland. He was a hustle player who would get
rebounds and score off plays that weren't designed for him. Sound familiar? I
don't understand why people start pointing there pitch forks at Ak instead of
Boozer. He is the one sucking us dry at $15 mil a year. Ak makes more the Yao
Ming and the same amount as Amare Stoudemire. He should be the one you want
If the Jazz re-sign Boozer I'm done. I'll find another team to watch, I swear.
Did you just say Amare (Stoudamire), at a MINIMUM? Sure, were it possible I'd
even package Booze, AK, Korver, Brewer, Price, Harpring, Okur, Fesenko, Almond
AND Millsap, to get HIM. But where does that really leave us PF-wise? You trade
the mid-range shooting (Boozer), for a defensive presence, which I'm cool with,
but with how upset we jazzfans seem to be over injury prone athletes, we would
have to exclude Amare from our collective wish list. Perhaps you meant Amir
(Johnson, DET). Hey, I don't think he's ever been injured! Of course you're sort
of protected when you're the 11th man on a roster. P.S. I'd take D. Brown
(Xavier) with the 20th pick, a gamble but nobody wows me that late in the draft
anyways, at least you get an athletic FREAK ;}