New Turf? How about a football team with more grit and heart? I'm a
die-hard BYU fan, and while I was somewhat annoyed by my Utah Ute fan friends
and co-workers rubbing their team's undefeated season in my face, I was even
more disappointed by a BYU football team who seemed to play with the fire of a
used up pipe.
To Clark and other fair-weather fans, I would say that 18 straight home
victories is a pretty good record. Your Utah Ute fan friends and co-workers
can't make such a claim.BTW, Utah will be coming to the Lavell
Edwards stadium this year.
How many times will BYU blame the new grass for their poor execution and
preparation this year? BYU is 2 games into a 5 or 6 game losing
streak. Thankfully we play Utah State in Provo this year.
The new grass is being watered with all the tears of BYU fans from losing to the
U and then again to that high school team in the Las Vegas Bowl.
It will take more than new grass to help the cougars this year.
Anyone know where I can get one of those fancy T-shirts?
That must be why BYU hasn't played well since 1984. I thought BYU always blamed
the refs, not the grass.
Too many players were complaining of injuries after getting knocked down on
At least this gives us something to talk about besides what a miserable football
team we have this year and what a bunch of under-achievers we had last year.
Everybody remember when in 1984 that one player did a really long pass, and then
the player caught it and ran really fast, and wow. That was a cool play. I
wish it was still 1984. 25 years ago was a great time to be alive.
Get ready utes! Our new grass is ready for you. Try and beat us now on our
home turf like you have the past few years! No more whooping us on our
backsides on that old grass!! We are going to show you! Bronco is smiling at
this new grass. You see, we will show you now!
Under this new grass they buried all those bad memories of losing to the Utes.
Getting a new turf????You are just trying to KEEP UP with the
football power house 35 miles up north from you. We get a new turf and so the Y
thinks they need a new one tooooooooooooooo.It won't make any
difference in the out come of the game, we will still BEAT you!!!GO
Just wish the BYU marketing group had been creative and found a way to sell or
give away the old sod to boosters. $10 for a square foot of the field at
Cougar/LE Stadium would have brought a lot of interest, some cash to the
program, and would have been a delight to many Cougar fans. Oh well, maybe
they'll think of it in another 20+ years when the field is redone again...
What BYU needs is more loyal fans that remain true during ALL of the ups and
downs. BYU has a more consistant football program than most teams in the entire
nation, including most BCS schools and the red headed step brothers from up
New grass means nothing without desire and drive. BYU needs more than new grass
to win over the fans. They need a new heart, a new attitude. Where is, to put
in Rocky venancular, the "eye of the tiger"? Win the MWC, a bowl game, and beat
some nationally ranked teams, and then you'll see something better than just
fresh green grass. I live in Texas now and I see more heart, grit, and drive in
the average high school football team here than I do in the Cougars lately.
Thanks, but if I want green grass, I'll go to the park.
I hope it is at least 120-yards of verdant grass!
BYU has lacked the heart to pull it off when it counts. Maybe we can learn
something from the U. (See their football and baseball performance)
A die-hard BYU fan is committed to the core values of the program, not the W-L
record. Get a clue.
Hey Bonco, its not the turf that wins games!
The U got new turf, and then BYU decided to do it too. Following the leader,
the leader, the leader.... Unfortunately the U has red on their
turf, so the BYU quarterback will have a hard time deciding where to throw it:
either to the red jerseys or to the ground.
One of the most impressive things I first noted when I attended the Y was how
well the grounds were maintained. The field at the stadium probably is seen my
more people than any other part of the BYU facility. As such, it needs to be the
shining jewel of BYU. Kudos to the effort that went into making this renovation
possible both those doing the work and for all those that worked behind the
scene to make it possible. As a Cougar football fan, here's hoping for many more
victories and many great memories unfolding on the new turf.Dave Munden
(aka Y'zMan)Raleigh, North Carolina
but can he still smile in September? October? November?Glad
that California can help to make the field prettier for Cougars --but the team
may be beyond help.SoCalUtahFan
Did you see the Utah field, that is first class. Come on you saw the pictures,
the U new field is sharp
Utah has better turf, better fans, better tailgating, better record in the Sugar
Bowl, better record in the Fiestal Bowl, better coaching, better players,
better... need I go on?
You'll play six home games in the entire season. What academic programs were
sacrificed to support this outrageous cost?
I know Roy Peterman. I would state that there is not a more dedicated,
professional, knowledgeable person in the country watching over and nurturing a
university's landscape, turf, trees, shrubs, etc. He is top notch. The stadium
grass will be the best in the country knowing that Roy had a part in this work.
Ya, but look at the new turf!!!!!!
How do you know BYU didn't have fire in their game? Utah had a good team last
year. Good for them! That doesn't mean BYU lacked fire in their game. Grow up
A hallowed shrine? Really?And since when is it a mark of honor to
make sure the Spring Game is only played in the hallowed shrine. It is a game,
not a religion. It is a sport venue, not a sacred edifice.
What is the point?I hear they're installing new toilets as well,
where's the coverage on that?Maybe we can hear the next time they
repaint the press box.Come one, homerism is fine, but is this over
the top or what!
Exactly! Can we please burn this new turf and go back to our 6, 5 and 4 win
seasons. Thanks for your insights today Clark!
what? You should be reminding your yewt friends of the several thousand dollars
the yewts have given us...If you have questions about the heart of the team you
should see how the players have come together this spring
Name me a team that has won all of its home games since 2006 to present?! Only
two other teams in the nation have longer home winning streaks than BYU: Boise
State and Oklahoma. Go Cougs! And quit complaining!
Yeah, 11,11 and 10 win seasons, as well as 2 MWC titles the last three years
shows we have no heart...Wow
What's really funny is the fact that most of the posts on this article are from
Ute "fans" (really just BYU haters). I just visited the SL Trib (home paper of
the Utes) and found an article on UofU sports. One post. From a Ute fan. On
this article, about GRASS, the Ute fans are going crazy. The infantile
obsession of the Ute fans with all things BYU continues. They somehow believe
that by denigrating the Y that the U somehow looks better. Pathetic.
I'm a UTE fan who is happy to cheer for the Y - when they aren't playing us.
But my fellow fans are embarassing my school. Stop posting stupid and arrogant
remarks on articles about BYU. It lowers our class. Philadelphia fans are not
held in high standards, and doing things like this is one of the reasons. Let
BYU have their articles, and we'll have ours - then we'll duel it out on the
field. Till then, shutup.
They have new grass at BYU? What? Wow? I always thought that coffee and alcohol
were outlawed at the Y and now you tell me they have grass? This changes
everything - Grass at BYU!What did they do with the old grass, did they
have big pep rally, burn it and invite everyone to come try it out but not to
inhale?Okay, ya ha ha. GO UtesNew Grass paid for by your big
So very thoughtful of the U to give byu its old grass. Oh yes, I go to football
games not to watch my team win but to make sure the core values are being upheld
-ha ha, sure right.Go Utah Go!
I'm so glad that artificial turf was never considered. It's great to have a
local team that still wants to play on the real thing.
All the new turf and first class facilities in the world will never get BYU
invited to a BCS bowl game. I seems that the BYU quality ON the
field simply is not as good as the quality OF the field.
The average IQ of Ute fans is as low as and probably lower than that of any
other team in the nation
Howard S. (aka-BCS lover),Who cares what you think, or who the BS
system invites to anything! Especially when you are dead wrong about the quality
of a program. BYU has been the best football program in the state of Utah for
the last 30 years. They have finished in the top 25 for more than half of those
years. So fact is, they are one of the best programs in the nation during that
time. No one competed in a BCS bowl before BYU owned a National Championship.
BYU is above the BCS!
I am frustrated by some of the fans. Let BYU talk about their premier gardening
(football) program. I hate to see so many Ute fans spending all of their energy
tearing down BYU rather than building up Utah sports. Sometimes I think these
are really BYU fans attacking their own team out of frustration. Whatever it is
it makes us look like we have an inferiority complex that is not fair to the
real fans!! When I talk to other Ute fans we rarely mention BYU.
The sports news must be pretty bad when you get to the stage where your printing
huge articles about the new grass in the stadium..
Thank you Red Blood. Too many trolls on here. But now I will only attribute
stupid remarks to a vocal minority, instead of stereotyping a whole school over
Anyone else ever notice that they only count recordssince the 70's when St.
Lavell invented the forward pass?
Check out the difference in the number of comments about the BYU and Utah turf
stories. Good or negative comments, BYU seems to always get more of the
attention. Must suck to have an undefeated season and the Cougars still get most
of the attention, even from UTE so-called fans.
As a die hard Ute fan I'm jealous. It's hard but I must admit that with the new
turf, not only will BYU have a better team and better coach, but probably a
better field this year too.
uh...nobody competed in the BCS for 15 years AFTER BYU had their championship
too. The whole thing started because Michigan and Nebraska had a shared NC in
1997. Get a clue! The BCS WAS NOT made because of BYU, the ALLIANCE was. The
BCS was made for a clear cut National Champion. So, it seems as though your
"BYU is above the BCS" is only said to comfort your little broken heart because
BYU hasn't been there...while your hated big brothers up north have...TWICE!!
Ute fans are like the sophmore on a high school football team that catches a
touchdoun pass in the fourth quarter that was already over in the third. He
talks trash all the next year about how amazing he is but never scores again.
Good luck with that. And by the way two years ago utes would kill to go 10-3.
I think you suffer from amnesia lucky for you.
first- why post here if you are Utah/anti-BYU fan?Second- Utah will get 6
maybe 7 wins this year...Coach is already prepping you for it...he's asking the
media/fans not to write off last year by this years performance.
Go back to putting B Y U in the endzones and get rid of all the logos associated
with the disasterous 1999 make-over.
Why do most of the posts have to be devoid of any intelligent comments. For you Ute fans why do you seem to be filled with so much Hate?
Its so interesting that Ute fans can only talk garbage about BYU and never
compliment their own team. I think Utes pay more attention to BYU than their
own school. Study your own team, and talk them up. You guys were really good
last year, enjoy it! I am willing to admit that. Don't waste your time tearing
down your rival out of mere sporting partisanship. Thats all it is. I'll be
the first one to acknowledge that the U is now good in football and is building
a strong program. Just try to have the same courtesy toward others that others
90% of these comments are pathetic, its new grass, that's great, but come on Ute
fans, you are using this as a way to rag on BYU. What a bunch of pathetic
losers, stop paying so much attention to everything BYU does. Get a life.
the new turf has nothing to do with play it has to do with decreasing the amount
of time spent repairing the sod and the labor involved to deal with the
deteriorating conditions. ColoradoState has revamped their turf as well in the
past if you watch the .mtn channel piece they did on CSU. it's state of the art
just like a new stadium in dallas or Rio Tinto field in Sandy etc etc....it's
progress...and this time the taxpayers didn't have to fork over any
money...unlike the U of U upgrades...
All these ute fans are pathetic. They are always trying to one up BYU its sad
they have little brother syndrome. The yutes are the neglected child in the
family always trying to prove themselves. I never hear BYU fans compare
themselves to the u. Why not? There is no need. Two good years doesnt overcome 3
decades of championship football! Understand BYU has been on the national scene
since the 70's. The turf looks great and it will look great this November. Whats
really going to suck is I agree its going to be tough but when and if BYU goes
undefeated we wont be tasting Sugar of Tostitos it will be crystal and the
National Championship! Lets just hope that after BYU beats Oklahoma, FSU, and
TCU that the yutes will be ranked in the top 25 so it helps us once we destroy
them. So little brother try not to go 6-6 this year so we look even better when
we go undefeated! Thanks your older well liked and loved brother down South!
Say - with the old turf in place, how did the '08 Cougs ever beat up on UCLA so
badly...did they just ingnore the turf and move one...and play with excitement
and heart...or was there something they put into the turf to make UCLA play so
poorly, way below their talent and ability? I'm just wondering if the Cougs
will have the same turn management team in place this year, and pull it out for
This new turf in LES should give the Utes something to talk about this upcoming
fall (seeing as they won't have much to brag about with their own team). Back
He talks in footnotes and riddles.
Football was made to be played on the real stuff, not the fake carpet we Utes
are made to endure at RES. Utah will still own BYU this coming November, but
there is no question the better surface is in Provo and not Salt Lake. Grass
beats plastic, but Utes beat Cougars. GO UTES!
wat in the world is ur problem people....the field was old and needed to be
replaced...no one is saying it will make the cougs better...wow immature
morons... and so what if Utah wins once every three years
Lots of Ute trolls and whiney BYU fans in this thread.Personally, I
am glad they reduced the crown.
BYU has a national championship. Utah fans are trying to create their own
mythical championship.... then ridicule BYU's actual concensus one. Nice.
The article did not mention that the funding for the new grass was from the
money given to MWC Teams because the U went to a BCS bowl this year. Before we BYU fans bash the Utes, let us generously thank them for their
contributions to our program.
What, no blue grass like Boise State? I'm disappointed....
RE 11:49 | 12:15 p.m. May 30, 2009 Utah is the little brother up
North, and based on these posts our little brother has a lot of growing up to
Utes banging heads with the Cougars, even over grass......LOL!!Cannot wait for head banging on the Football field....LOL!!
Comments have nothing to do with little brotherism or arrogance. Just pointing
out the complete and utter lunacy of devoting a 2 web page long story about the
glories of the new turf at LES. Who cares about who was successful
last year and who was less successful, point of previous comment was to point
out the lap dog mentality lapping up some puff piece on installing new grass in
a football stadium. Pro stadiums replaced their grass regularly without having
major news stories about it. P.S. I think they may be replacing
some sidewalks up at Weber State this summer, maybe we can get the Desnews to
write an article about how much better the Weber experience will be with the
new, smooth sidewalks to walk upon. (see, it is ridiculous)
I was hoping for some of that blue Smurf Turf Boise State uses. Another
Here's a couple of tidbits to little help you with that Cougar amnesia.The Utes have beaten BYU head to head 5 of the last 7. Over the last 5, 10
and 15 years Utah has a 60% winning record over BYU.The Utes are
undefeated in two BCS bowl games. BYU has yet to be invited.While
the Cougars may have a fading legacy in college football, The Utes of today have
surpassed your Coogs. The Ute's legacy is today. The Cougar legacy
is about 25 years old and quickly fading.
RE: I love BYU fansOkay...BYU is 32-7 in the past three seasons
combined.Was that refreshing enough for ya'?
6:34,Theirs a similar article about the Ute's new turf, but you or I
aren't reading it because you and I both don't really care about that silly
program. A revamped field after 28 years is news. And if Ogden would redo some
of their getto sidewalks that would be news too. Silly, is taking time to
comment on articles and programs you say you don't care about.
wow. my uncle manages the field at BYU. this upgrade was coming for several
years and was paid for from revenue of sellouts over more than 3 years (try and
beat that utah). i was wishing for blue or white turf but Bronco hates turf.
The Utes inferiority complex is astounding. Many Ute fans simply can't do
anything more than dis BYU.. The first 20 comments on this post are all by Ute
Fans. Seriously, don't you have anything better to do than make fun of the grass
at LaVell Edwards stadium... Typical Utes... Typical Utes.
If Utah has such a great legacy today, then why are you opening with Utah State
and BYU is opening with Oklahoma?
Okay... how about this....Utah is 30-9 in the past 3 seasons, with 3
bowl victories including the thumping of Alabama on a national stage.But, I suppose you would prefer to be 32-7 with a 2-1 bowl record against weak
competition in the nearly anonymous Vegas Bowl.
I admit it, we have FAKE grass and you have the REAL deal. I hope our team
isn't as fake as our grass!!!!
...why are you opening with Utah State and BYU is opening with Oklahoma?The answer seems obvious... because top teams like Oklahoma and Utah
typically schedule an easy victory to open the season....Duuuhhhh.
Speaking as an authentic Ute, I'm confident our team isn't as fake as you.
You think the grass is going to "continue to make us one of the best programs in
the country," and that a recruit is going to come look at your grass and say,
"wow, this is impressive grass, I'm committing right now coach?" Bronco you
crack me up.
The attention given to BYU by all of the blah blah ute writers encourages me on
how afraid they are of the utes not living up to last seasons success. Your
pretense dribble and deceptive comments are funny and typical of bush league ute
supporters. Real ute fans don't hide behind games of phoney writers. But don't
worry you phoney fans. I laugh thinking that the only people you are fooling are
yourselves. You probably believe your own tripe. You guys are pathetic. All
this garbage over some new grass. I can't wait to see what you will write when
they announce the change of new uniform styles. Do you guys actually go to the
U of U?
We are 2nd to the brothers up North since we beat them 2 out of the last 3 and
soon to be 3 out of 4. We must be 2nd rate.
"Its so interesting that Ute fans can only talk garbage about BYU and never
compliment their own team...Just try to have the same courtesy toward others
that others show you."Absolutely. Show the kind of courtesy like two
years of 'Harline is still open.' You zoobs reek of hypocrisy, talking nothing
but trash on Utah threads all year after BYU wins the holy war, but as soon as
Utah wins again, its all "Why are you guys in red being so mean?"
There are over 80 comments on this article and 25 on the Utah article.
UNbelievable. This isn't the first time it's happened either. It's happened
many, many times. The comment ratio on BYU articles compared to Utah articles is
literally about 4 to 1, always always always. The Ute comments on BYU articles
probably double the number of total comments on their own articles. Sad, sad
world. Do your lives literally revolve around tearing others down?
It's no wonder we, or anyone else in the conference or league can hardly stand
Hey Scott - For perspective, let's look at a broader sample of years.Utah has beaten BYU 5 of the last 7.For the last 5, 10, and 15
years Utah has a 60% winning percentage over BYU.Yes compared to
Utah, BYU is 2nd rate.
Why do you yewt fans always get after BYU fans for cherry picking years when
yewt fans invented it? It's always "why do BYU fans only go back to 1970 when
talking about football success?" or " let's take a broader sample and go back 5,
10 or 15 years.". You're such cherry pickers. Why not go back 20, 25 or 30
years? Whatever. Lets talk about notable acheivements. I'll give you your 2 BCS
bowl games(not championships) and your two top 10 finishes. Not only does BYU
have a NC that yewt fans call mythical, but I have news for you; every NC is
mythical by your definition, BYU also has a Heisman Trophy winner, multiple
Outland Trophy winners, some O'Brien trophys, a Doak Walker trophy, several top
10 finishes and a footbal legacy that if your precious yewts want to match will
take them 30 years of success as a football team, not 5, 10, or 15 years.
An opportunity has bee missed to compare the process of replacing BYU's turf
with the process the Utes went through several years ago. If memory serves: The
old surface was scraped off with a bulldozer, then new sod was laid with no
surface prep. The grounds crew guy realized what was going to happen and quit.
Then the field was opened immediately for the professional soccer season. By
the time BYU came to town the field still had no root, smelled like a swamp, and
was spray-painted green. A dozen members of the grounds crew would run out at
every timeout and replace the "divots" made by the cleats of the offensive
line.Utah may have started with a better drainage system, and the
final result is adequate. The difference is that at the first game BYU will have
an improved surface.BYU won that game - Doman-Staley come from
behind final drive. (I think Utah missed a field goal on the next drive, someone
find the kicker and ask what he thought of the field, now that is a story.)
The truth is that BYU has to look at least 20 years in the past for its legacy
achievements.But,if legacy achievement is all you have then I
suppose that's what you have to go with. Enjoy...I prefer current
achievement over legacy achievement any day.
I am embarrassed by my fellow Utah fans. It is sad that we do have a solid
football program but bush league fans. Let me help some of my Ute brothers:1- We have a great football program lets show some class and have a
great fan base.2- Why do we as fans comment more on BYU articles
than ones on our own teasm? That is pathetic.3- The way we act on
this posts is making us out to be the pathethic little brother to BYU.4- The sadest thing is the stupid fans that say BYU has to go back 20+ years
and Utah's success is now. Here are the facts: Since 2000 both teams have won
the conference 3 times. BYU since 2000 has finished the season ranked in the AP
4 times and we have only finished 3 times. If BYU beat us this year that means
they would have won 3 out of the last 4 games. Outside of the Crowton Years BYU
has been very good.Some of my fellow Ute fans need to grow up and
get some class and be as good as fans as our teams is.
Just because some Ute fans are stupid, that doesn't mean all Ute Fans are. In
honesty, Ute and Cougar football is a lot alike. They are both getting the same
returned missionaries and good character of most of the players that people like
to stereotype BYU as having. And both have winning programs to be proud of
like Ute fans are so proud about. We have it pretty good in our state, except
for a few poor fans on both sides. GO UTES!
All this talk about the Ute's being in the BCS TWICE! Wow! How many National
Championships have you won? Enough said.
First - Of BYU's four AP finishes the top two were 14th and 16th. Of Utah's
three AP finishes the top two were 4th and 2nd. Utah win.Second -
In bowl games since 2000, BYU has a 2-3 record. Utah has a 7-0 record including
two BCS games. Utah win.Third - Since 2000 (your timeframe) Utah is
5-4 head to head against BYU. Utah win.Fourth - No Ute should ever
hesitate to remind Cougars that our team is better than theirs.Fifth
- Have your season tickets to LES arrived yet?
The field does look really nice. I'm glad both programs got to upgrade so the
Utes no longer have those hideous soccer lines and BYU won't have the crown. It
will make for a great atmosphere come November. But changing the turf does not
change the fact that it still is Rice Eccles South :)
Last good BYU team 1996 when you gutted out a win in the Cotton Bowl (still
second tier bowl). Enough said about who is better. Oh I forgot, you beat a
6-5 team for you glory year in 1984, so so sad for you, though you did get a
gift that the rest of the football world vowed never to let happen again. Win
against the big boys and then you can brag.
If you prefer current then maybe you need to forget the Crowton years and your
04 Fiesta bowl. If you define that as current, then once again, you are cherry
RE: 10:22 p.m. May 30, 2009 No need to send a rebuttal on my comment. I
was simply responding to "I love BYU fans" who seems to think that BYU fans'
talk about records has to be related to LaVell Edwards or the 70's. Were you
paranoid I was bashing on the Utes?
Once again you yewt fans cherry pick. BYU has been terrible against top ranked
teams since 1996. That will never be forgotten by yewt fans. What seems to be
forgotten is that BYU was beating up on top ranked programs long before the
yewts. I do believe your coach can back me up on that since he was a player at
Consistently get 10-win seasons and then you can brag.
You people are ridiculous. It's an article about GRASS. Save all your
worthless banter until September.
New grass is great and all, but the season cant get here fast enough. All the
pathetic fair weather Ute fans replying to every article about BYU is getting
old. I know you dont have a life but come on at least try and get one.
"Consistently get 10-win seasons and then you can brag."************************8Consistent 10 win seasons get you invited
to the Vegas Bowl. Yipeee.
No cherry picking of years... In all head to head games against BYU, Utah is
50-30-4.Scoreboard!!!Period... End of Story...Enough
Enough said? Who made you the arbiter? You can talk record all you want, but
since you just cherry picked the win loss stat, how about we give the full
picture. As in number of overall top 25 and top 20 finishes, heisman trophys,
outland trophys, outland trophys, o'brien trophys, doak walker trophys, national
championships, bowl appearances, and number of wins against top 25 teams. You
see, just because Utah dominated BYU in the early years does not mean they were
a national program. The truth is BYU made a big appearance on the national scene
long before Utah did and they still get national respect because of that. The
way they choose the NC was changed because of BYU. Now when Utah can say the
same in the middle of a thirty year streak like BYU had, then they can lay claim
to having surpassed BYU. Until then it's just Cherry picking.
So with all of BYU's prominence and national respect gained over 30 years of
excellence how is it that they can't get invited to a BCS game?
My my my, the Utes just can't get over playing in a high school stadium, they so
rag on a real football field. Bronco Stadium is even better than than albatross
in the foothills. 36-3, do those numbers mean anything?
All this talk about BYU doing so poorly is a little overstated. Lets
see:Three 10 win seasons in a row.Four Bowl appearances in a
row.A 59-0 shut out over a Pac 10 team - I don't remember other in-state
teams doing that.Won the conference championship 2 of the last 3 years.Sounds like they are doing just fine.
So with the yewts going to two BCS games in 5 years you still don't understand
how the system works? I give them props for two great seasons in 5 years. Lets
see it for 30 years before you start with all yhe smack.
BYU's field has been old and beat up for years. If you looked closely you could
see puffs of dust come up from every tackle. Chunks of turf were flying all
over the field last season. I'm excited to see the Cougars perform on a
state-of-the-art field. The field should have been replaced sooner, but it'll
be great to see the stadium with the new field this fall.
and then Uuuu dropped a simple bowl game to the 7-5 mediocre team in the Sin
Bowl!!A real great thing to spout about.....I'd hold my tongue until
you can do something!!!!10 wins got 'ya nothin'---try wining and
going to the BCS--LOL
"So with the yewts going to two BCS games in 5 years you still don't understand
how the system works?"**************************With two
BCS victories in 5 years, I think the Utes do understand how the system works.
What is it that the Cougars don't understand about getting to a BCS
I'm a Y fan, but was glad to see the Utes success last year. Too bad others (on
both sides) are so immature.
To the Ute fans: I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. How many
national championships has Utah won? In the last 5 years when you were winning
all those bowl games? In the last 20 years? 30 years? 50 years? Ever? In
all the times you have beaten BYU, have you ever won a national championship?
Anybody? Anybody??? Hellooooooo. Any...any...any...body...body...body
home..ome...ome...ome? Wow! The silence is deafening.
From a Ute fan, it is from the bottom of my heart that the University of Utah
has graciously handed out millions of dollars to the lowly members of the MWC
who can't make it to the BCS. Bronco, Kyle accepts your thanks for
providing the funds to renovate your field with his BCS winnings.Redistribution is alive and well in the MWC.
Kudos to Bronco and company for having a natural grass field. Recent survey of
professional football players shows a distinct preference for natural grass.
Artificial surfaces cause more injuries (when compared to well constructed
fields natural grass fields - not those that are as hard as a rock because of
bad design/maintenance). Artificial turf is also very hot (i've melted shoes in
one game on them). As a result, many pro stadiums are going back to natural
grass. College and high schools seem to be moving toward artificial because they
erroneously think that they cost less to maintain. The only reason to have
artificial grass is if you are playing on it all of the time to the point that
it can't stand up to the abuse (not the case for a football stadium field that
isn't used for much else). Bottom-line, I'd much rather play on the BYU field
than the Ute field. Most players would agree.
Highschool stadium?Well, call it whatever you want, but it's helped
Utah to 2 BCS seasons.You Broco Stadium helped BYU to 0 BCS seasons --just
"In all the times you have beaten BYU, have you ever won a national
championship? Anybody? Anybody??? Hellooooooo."The "silence" would
be a lot less "deafening" if this site's moderators wouldn't be so
blue-blood-biased. I've posted this before, but since you asked...Utah Football National Championship Titles:(1) FansPoll"FansPoll" is the only website of its kind that lets fans choose who the next
collegiate football champion should be. The fans have spoken and confirmed what
may believe, that the true national champ is Utah."(2)
CollegeFootballTalk"...we recognized the significance of Utah's
accomplishments and we declared the Utes the CollegeFootballTalk National
Champions. Our readers agreed, making Utah the overwhelming choice as the
rightful 2008 National Champs."And there's a Football National
Championship trophy in the trophy case up here in SLC. Feel free to stop by and
see it anytime you like. It's pretty!
National Championship trophy from whom? The pee-wee league of America? Did
Deseret First make you national champs? Until you win the OFFICIAL NCAA
CHAMPIONSHIP, the "Fanspoll" and "Colegefootballtalk" drabble is useless. You
may have a couple of gymnastics trophies and that one b-ball trophy from the
forties, but nothing to compare with BYU's football and numerous other trophies
for XC, track, volleyball, and new this year: RUGBY!
RE: 9:06 a.m. posterThe "FansPoll"? Are you kidding me???? I
wonder how many fans would have taken the Utes over Florida? I sure wouldn't
have. Your team had a terrific year last year. Be happy with that. You may
have been the 2nd best team in America. Too many Ute fans live in Ute La La
I love natural grass
I'm a BYU fan, but was it really necessary to spend money to ship turf in from
California? Aren't we taking ourselves a little too serious here? It's
grass...get over it. Maybe next year we should have the Marriott Center's new
basketball floor made out of Redwood trees. This is stupid.
Since the DesNews moderators won't print websites, I gave you the name. You'll
just have to put .com at the end. Or you can come up to SLC and see the trophy
for yourself.Zoobies like to pretend to overlook the fact that in
1984, you played NO ONE! You squeaked by an eventual 3-win Pitt team to open
the season, then escaped a 6-5 Michigan team to finish your season. Good thing
the tdS didn't have to face a 7-5 Arizona team. The '04 Utes
THOROUGHLY DOMINATED EVERY OPPONENT. The '84 kewgs escaped FIVE UNRANKED teams
by a TD or less. The '08 Utes beat FOUR teams finishing their seasons in the
Top-25; two of whom were Top-10. If the '08 Ute team was a legitimate #2 team,
it would have been as the #2 team in Ute HISTORY. The #1 Ute team would have
been their '04 squad, and BOTH superior to anything every emanating from Utah
"I wonder how many fans would have taken the Utes over Florida?"Most
of 'em. It was the fans who voted for them.You know, for a group of
self-congratulatory nobodies clamoring for national recognition, you sure do
seem to ignore what the FANS think. But, I guess I can understand that.
Because they don't think your '84 trophy is valid. They don't think you EARNED
it. They created the Bowl Coalition and BCS to prevent another team backing
into the #1 spot.Utah FINISHED #2 because of where they STARTED.
Had we been ranked where Phil Steele had us in his preseason poll, it would have
been us playing for the National Title. Now, we can speculate, but never know,
who -- Utah or Florida -- is the TRUE 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPION.But as
long as it's a matter of VOTING...then there's nothing illegitimate about
FansPoll or CollegeFootballTalk VOTING for the Utes the Championship.And speaking of "votes", the Utes earned 1/3 of the AP's #1 votes.
Utah's '04 and '08 seasons were both greater achievements than the tdS' '84
season. Any zoob who will argue their NC Trophy > the Utes' Fiesta or Sugar
Bowl Trophies -- by the mere fact that it is called an NC Trophy -- must also
believe that Paris Hilton is smarter than they are since she makes more money
than they do.So do you?
re: skeptic | 9:38 a.m. June 1, 2009 >>I wonder how many fans would
have taken the Utes over Florida? I sure wouldn't have.>Too many Ute fans live
in Ute La La Land.
to the 10:02 p.m. May 30, 2009 poster//If Utah has such a great
legacy today, then why are you opening with Utah State and BYU is opening with
Oklahoma?//Legacy is currently a faction in the WWE or fancy word
used by someone trying to hang on past greatness. Is Glory Days by
Springsteen on your Ipod?
All these comments make both sides sound like Boise State fans. Nobody wants
that reputation. Utes have been good lately, Cougs have as well. Stop ripping on
history! As for bearly beating teams, did you by chance watch any football other
then MTN West? If I recall Bama (your wipping boy) squeaked quite a few out
themselfs.As a true football fan, I'm excited to see 3 decade grass get
replaced, and hope someday to see a playoff.
We went out on the new turf in the middle of a downpour on a Sunday evening. We
ran around and we were surprised by how grippy the grass was, and we were
wearing church shoes. As my father-in-law said after, it was probably as close
to man romance as you could get.
NC Trophy > Fiesta + Sugar Bowl Trophies.
Wow, and yewt fans like to call BYU's NC mythical? You just redefined the word
"mythical". Just make sure you carefully pull your head out of the clouds so as
not to hurt yourself. And way to get a self proclaimed NC trophy. We are all
proud of you. That's about as little brother as you can get. Way to pull up some
obscure website that nobody has ever heard of to back up your rediculous claim.
Although we (ProFields Sports Turf) provided the synthetic turf perimeter for
BYU's Lavell Edwards Stadium I prefer natural grass for most outdoor sports when
it can be maintained correctly. Most natural turf fields are not or can not be
maintained to that degree, especially at the the high school level. BYU's new
natural grass field with synthetic perimeter is spectacular. Please take note
how seamlessly the synthetic turf perimeter matches the real grass. More
importantly it matches the feel and playability of natural grass. We support BYU
football and are amazed how well they do given the parameters they must work
within. It doesn't hurt me either that Utah has done well. I am a BYU fan, but
not a Utah hater. If you want more information on premium synthetic turf
products please see zeroscapeturf dot com. Yes - I just advertised.
While football gets props, the baseball team finihed below .500 for the season.
They happen to get lucky to get in the post season. Below .500 is NOTHING to be
...said the fanbase who have "never heard of" Phil Steele when he picked the
Utes ahead of the kewgs last preseason.Here's a quote you can pay
special attention to:"But as long as it's a matter of VOTING...then
there's nothing illegitimate about FansPoll or CollegeFootballTalk VOTING for
the Utes the Championship."That's right. S/he said "...as long as
it's a matter of VOTING..." Zoobs CANNOT claim they have a Nat'l Championship
earned by play on the field in a "Championship game". Their title is ONLY IN
VOTES. If they can claim their title is valid, then they CANNOT invalidate the
VERY REAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY sitting in the Utes Trophy Case, as OUR
title is ALSO IN VOTES. Only using a larger surveyed group.BTW.
FansPoll and CollegeFootballTalk are NATIONAL polls, not "self proclaimed" or
administered by Utah Alumni. "Way to pull up some obscure website
that nobody has ever heard of to back up your rediculous [sic]
claim."...and way to reject said claims by FAILING TO INVESTIGATE or
REFUTE. Willfully ignorant zoobs!
What are you trying to say here? That "better" stuff has produced you 1 MWC
championship in the last 5 years, the off years you guys failed to deliver or
choked."Better" won't get you anything this season.
Who beat BYU in the opening round of the MWC Baseball Tourney??????
Anyone?????I guess losing to a team that finishes below .500 is even
less to be proud about.
First of all, way to stereotype. I actually happen to think that Phil Steele is
one of, if not the, most accurate preseason prognosticators in the biz. And I
say that because of his year in and year out results. Willfully
ignorant? Tell that to the Gator nation who would refute any claim made by a
yewt fan to a 2008-09 NC. You see, the reason I called it obscure is because it
is not recognized by anyone but who they vote for. What is coveted in college
football is this thing called a Consensus National Championship. As in the two
polls that are consnsensually recognized as the two polls who choose the NC, and
have chosen the NC for almost the last century.But, just to clarify,
I think it's a load of crap. I actually(yes, I am a Cougar fan) think Utah got
ripped. There is no doubt they should have been in the so called NC game. I even
enjoyed the Utes success last year. I just hope it makes a difference in getting
us closer to a playoff in college football.
We were out coached for the last three games. There teams knew exactly what the
cougers were going to do and were waiting for the pass or run. We ran right
into them and they on the other hand went right through us. It should be against
the law at the Y for the players to read about themselves. They read about how
good they are and feel that they don't need to go the extra mile to win. The
Lord helps them who help themselves. Good Luck, and work hard.
"What are you trying to say here? That "better" stuff has produced you 1 MWC
championship in the last 5 years"DUMB!!! Just plain DUMB!!! The
Utes have been MWC AND BCS Bowl Champions in 2004 and 2008 in the last 5 years.
1+1=2. The tdS has 2 MWC championships too. But NO BCS Bowl wins.
Blue-Hooo!The Utes went UNDEFEATED, and DOMINATED their BCS Bowl
opponents. The 2 11-2 tdS teams dominated an overrated Oregon (7-6) team, and
BARELY squeaked by, by a FINGER, to a team that would conclude their season at
6-7, in THEIR Championship years. IMPRESSIVE!The Utes DOMINATED the
tdS in OUR MWC Championship seasons. The tdS squeaked by, on MIRACLE plays,
during THEIR MWC Championship seasons.Offhand, I'd have to say OUR 2
MWC Championships > YOUR 2 MWC Championships. I think, offhand, while you won't
ADMIT, IT.....YOU THINK THAT TOO!Ha ha ha ha!GO UTES!!!
Paris Hilton's IQ > Mark's X 2
I believe Paris Hilton is twice as smart as me, our fans, and our alumni. She
HAS to be. She makes more money than us.
so many dumb comments on a new field, so a school does something to upgrade
their stadium. Why all the dumb comments???????????????
Nothing like a good rivalry. Is it time for football yet?
Oh, I almost forgot...Hey, tdS dude. Can you take it easy on the caps.
It's starting to hurt my eyes.
I didn't hear a single thank you for the utes handingYBU 1.5 million from their
BCS wins to help with the new turf, In Fact not one Blew Blood has said thanks
for all of that money. While BYU was missing parctices down in Vegas and losing
to a 5th place PAC 10 TEAM UTAH WAS WINNING THE SUGAR BOWL AND DONATING 75,000
DOLLARS NOT ONCE BUT TWICE ! SHOULD BYU EVER DO THE SAME I WOULD MAN UP AND
THANK YOU FOR THE $$ , BUT THAT AIN'T ABOUT TO HAPPEN AS ALL THE COUGARS CAN
WRITE IS CAT SCAT ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO. THE TURF IS FROM CALIFORNIA. SO WE HAVE TO
SEE HOW IT WILL HOLD UP TO THE WEATHER AND TROMPING THE Y GETS THIS YEAR.
CAPITAL LETTERS WERE USED ON PURPOSE SO THAT YOUR LITTLE BROTHER CAN READ THIS
I think the turf is what they need to finally be able to beat ranked teams. Go
Clark Kent | 6:31 a.m. May 30, 2009What BYU needs is more loyal fans that
remain true during ALL of the ups and downs. BYU has a more consistant football
program than most teams in the entire nation.-----------What BYU
needs is fans who live in reality. Beating weak WAC and MWC opponents year in
and year out and then losing in bowl games against good teams does not make a
national power house. And not UofA is not a good team.
Re: 7:52 | 8:26 p.m. May 31, 2009The truth is BYU made a big appearance on
the national scene long before Utah did and they still get national respect
because of that.----------------Right, and the "fundamentals of our
economy are strong". National respect in this era is earned by getting an BCS
invite... so how many invites for BYU? Hands down BYU was the better
program in the 80's; I know I sat through one beat down after another.BUT In this century BYU is as relevant as Auburn from past glory but unlike
Auburn BYU hasn't finished undefeated or ranked top 2 since 1984. BYU has beaten ONE ranked team since 1999 (TCU at home) while Utah beat 4 top
25 teams of which 2 were in the top 10 (TCU and Bama) in 2008.
Mr. BYU fan | 7:53 a.m. June 1, 2009To the Ute fans: I'm still waiting for
an answer to my question. How many national championships has Utah won? In all
the times you have beaten BYU, have you ever won a national championship?
Anybody? Anybody???--------------ZERO just as many BCS bowl game
wins by BYU. Come to reality BYU fan the 84 era is over; a non-BCS team winning
or even getting a shot at the title game is OVER. BYU deserves respect for its
84 accomplishment but come on beating a 6-6 MI team in a title game and then
having judges decide the champion is as impressive as Olympic figure skating
Kind of like judges deciding who plays in a BCS game and votes a team #2. Talk
about the pot calling the kettle black. Wake up yewt fans. We still get a NC
decided by a bunch of voters. Until we have a playoff we will never get a true
NC. BYU was fortunate in 84, and they had a good team. Utah was fortunate in 04
and 08 and had very good teams. All you can do is beat the teams on your
schedule. BTW I would like to see you try and win an Olympic figure skating
I stand corrected. The fans between Sandy and Bountiful definitely agreed that
the Utes should have been #1 last year. (key words being-should have)
at least BYU can still grow grass, Utah gave up on it years ago after they
couldn't figure out how to keep it nice. (I was at the the 2000 Holy War (read
Lavell's last miracle) and the field was a JOKE). you are lucky the olympics
brought you an expanded stadium with artificial turf, otherwise, urban meyer
would have never stepped foot in utah and things might be very different. not
that i hate it, i welcome utah's success, i love it for BYU, for mid-majors, and
for college football in the west. i'm actually excited to see the opponents
that BYU and Utah play this year. the MWC is rising!
Re:7:53 | 9:24 a.m. June 2, 2009Kind of like judges deciding who plays in
a BCS game and votes a team #2. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Wake up yewt fans.------------------------Yes those same judges the
only difference is in 1984 BYU didn't face a monopoly were they had a ZERO
chance of winning a national title. That team today would have made a BCS game
but not have won a national title.
The hate spewed between both sides of this rivalry is disturbing. We have some
pretty big rivalries in the South, but the people I have seen do not talk smack
like they do in the BYU-Utah rivalry. Maybe its just Southern Hospitality.Anyway, my two cents...BYU has a better football history in
the modern era of college football. The national championship is something to
be proud of, though it did come at the hands of a 6-5 Michigan team (though it
was an exciting game to watch). BYU has long history of good seasons, but never
consistently beat good to great teams. They have been consistently good under
Bronco, but have not yet dominated a season to end up in a BCS game.Utah has dominated two seasons, for which they should be proud, but has been
inconsistent in the years between. However, they are a program on the rise.The point is both are good programs, and it is usually a dog fight
during the rivalry game. Let's be civil about it. Both sides' fans feel
connections to their particular school, and there is nothing wrong with that.Oh, and I like natural grass fields.
Ute fans can't be satisfied with a BCS championship season, the jeolousy runs
so deep they even have to comment on our new turf, and of course its negative as
usual. What makes yours better? Is it some kind of transfer hybrid from
manchester Uniteds field. Get a life clueless utes!
You are correct. As a Cougar fan I will admitt that BYU benefited from when they
went undefeated. But, tell me, why do yewt fans keep refering to the Sugar Bowl
win as the BCS Championship? And all I hear from yewt fans is how myopic BYU
fans are. Looks like there are plenty of myopic yewt fans to go around as well.
I hope both teams go undefeated next year until they meet. That would be great.
Please beat Oregon this year Utah. Their coach has zero respect for the MWC.
"That team today would have made a BCS game but not have won a national
title."Correction: That team today MIGHT have made a BCS game. You
are assuming THAT team would have gone undefeated in ANY era. THAT team played
the 4th easiest schedule in Div. 1-A. Boise State played a more competitive
schedule than that in both 2004 AND 2008, but didn't make the cut.I
would surmise that should THAT team have received a BCS invite, they would have
finished no different than the undefeated 2007 Hawai'i team. Sure they put up
big offensive numbers against weak competition, but when faced with a quality
program, like 2007 Georgia, they would most likely have suffered the same
humiliation. BCS Bowl games are considered "BIG GAMES". And we all
know how well the tdS fares in those situations.Next year, with
Oklahoma, Florida St, Utah, and TCU on their schedule, they will have had the
opportunity to face 4 ranked teams on their schedule....like the '08 Utes.
We'll see how well they do, but are there any zoobies out there that would like
to venture a guess?Nope?I thought not.GO
I skipped comment pages 2, 3 and most of 4. One page of drivel from U fans is
enough. Get a life and cheer on your team and back away from your BYU obsession.
I think we all know you have won the Fiesta Bowl, you have won the Sugar Bowl,
you have scoreboard over BYU at least until November 2009. Did I miss anything
from your litany of boorishness? Show some class. Post on your articles and
cheer on your team. You look like poor winners...and that makes you losers.I'm glad the Y has the new field and I eagerly await football season.
BYU won National Championship in 1984-that was 25 years ago. When are Cougar
fans going to stop talking about the "glory days" and realize they haven't had a
Championship team in 25 years. Some of the players from the 1984 teams are
1) new turf can not make Cougar team better --Bronco will not smile in
Oct, Nov2) new turf is funded by their rival (Utah) with the BCS payouts
from 04 and 083) BYU football has not won any big games recently --save it
cougar fans, 1984 was 25 years ago and it was not that impressive to begin
with.Any questions? You know who to call...
It just shows to go ya that the Ute "Fans" have no class. It's just grass
folks. Grow up.
I disagree. I believe that if Utah would have had only 1 loss in 2007 (like BYU
did in 1983) and not choked against teams like Air Force and UNLV, and started
the season ranked, that this year could have ended differently. in 1984
everyone "said" that it could NEVER be done, just like they say today, but BYU
did it and prove them wrong. The biggest reason why they were able to do
so...23 straight victories! BYU was poised to do it again this year (coming off
10 straight wins in '07, being ranked 7th after only 5 weeks into the season and
opportunities to increase by beating a ranked TCU team and finish by beating a
top ten Utah team) but they choked just like the Utes did in '07. Unfortunately
in Div 1 College football, the previous season(s) have too much weight on the
To see how fast Utah looks on this new field.
As a HUGE BYU fan and alum I want to know everything that happens with the team
and the stadium. And to those who are so worried about it taking away from
academic money you should know it did not. My cousin is the Associate athletic
director over Finance and it was funded without touching the academic funds.
Plus true fans I believe would want the team to have EVERY advantage we can get.
I think its embarrasing when people try to say that football wins really arent
the reason we are playing cause if they aren't why bother? I hope the BCS should
be brought down too! :)