I am Chairman of the Swinomish Tribe in Wash. State, and Pres of Affiliated
Tribes of Northwest Indians. It was a pleasure to be back in DC when Asst. Sec.
Echohawk was going through his confirmation hearing. It was an honor to witness
and to hear all the great work this Native American has done for all Native
people's. A real trail blazer for all of us. He is a real role model for all
Native Americans to show how hard work really pays off. I pray God continues to
bless him and his family and wish him all the luck in the world in his new
As a BYU law professor, I wonder if Larry EchoHawk considers himself to be a
descendant of Lehi?A recent study:Schroeder, Kari B. et
al. (2009). Haplotypic Background of a Private Allele at High Frequency in the
Americas. Molecular Biology and Evolution, 26(5):9951016. Oxford University
Press.Concludes all modern Native Americans and Western Beringians
trace their ancestry to a single founding Asian population that may have been
isolated from other Asian populations prior to expanding into the Americas.
I guess this means he won't be teaching my Evidence class in the Fall. Congrats,
From the abstract of the article you cite:"The results support the
hypothesis that all modern Native Americans and Western Beringians trace a large
portion of their ancestry to a single founding population that may have been
isolated from other Asian populations prior to expanding into the Americas."Most Mormons who have seriously considered claims about the ancestry of
Native Americans have come to the conclusion that their ancestry is
predominantly Asian. But notice that nothing in the statement quoted above
either supports or precludes the possibility that some or all Native Americans
are descendants of Lehi.I have a more relevant answer to your
question, though. Based on my interaction with other Native Americans, I'm
guessing that EchoHawk sees himself neither as Hebrew or Asian, but as Native
American.Congrats to him, by the way, on his confirmation.
The best to Mr. Echo Hawk and this enormous undertaking. Hopeful he can see
beyond the dysfunctional and corrupt law enforcment in the BIA. Tribal leaders
have repeatedly plead for change but have been ignored by those in charge at the
regional and national levels. Look, listen and make the necessary changes for
our people. They deserve so much more.
To 12:36 p.m."notice that nothing in the statement quoted above
either supports or precludes the possibility that some or all Native Americans
are descendants of Lehi."That is a very weak position: "I believe it
because science does not (yet) preclude it."We could stubbornly
retain our belief in unicorns by the same argument: "Nothing supports or
precludes the possibility that unicorns are real."Nothing in science
"supports or precludes the possibility that" --------- (insert your favorite
myth here)... is a fallacious form of argumentation. If that is the best defense
the LDS have against scientific findings, then I strongly recommend LDS Church
members get out now and beat the Christmas rush.
Dear old (tired) "Anonymous": As usual, you hit the nail squarely on the head.
I know of no one more anxious to get off the subject than you. Thanks again for
your arcane insights and your recommendations. I am confident they are
universally appreciated and will be "religiously" adhered to (post haste).
The 11:43 a.m. commenter overstated the conclusions of the article he cited. My
point was that, contrary to the implications of his posting, the article he
cites cannot be used as evidence for or against a Native American ancestral
connection to Lehi. There is no fallacy in this refutation.There
is, however, a fallacy in the straw man you've constructed to caricature my
position. You assume that my belief is based on the absence of scientific
evidence to the contrary. That is your claim, not mine. (In fact, I don't
believe I stated any belief at all. You presumed to state it for me. Thanks.)
You also presumed that my response was a defense against scientific findings.
That's clearly not the case. I accept the science in the paper in question. As
previously stated, it doesn't contradict anything I believe.
Boy, those Mormon apologist philosophes are slippery, aren't they!
The word "apologist" seems to be misused many times on these boards. Do people
just like the way it sounds and so use it without knowing what it means or
Brother Echohawk is a good man who has raised a wonderful family of talented
people. I knew him in my ward in Idaho and I knew his sons. He is a wonderful,
faithful man with more talent and gifts that one man ought to have. His wife is
only about twice as spectacular as him and therefore good things surround him
and his future. He is the most honorable and impressive democrat I
have ever personally known in the 9 states I have been privileged to live in.
This is a very strong appointment. If there were more democrats with as much
personal principle and honorable values as those I see in him, I'd almost be one
Congrats to a good man.
government bureaucracies that deal with natice americans. "Bureau of Indian
Affairs, the Bureau of Indian Education, the Office of Indian Gaming, the Office
of Self-Governance, the Office of Indian Energy and Economic Development and
other Interior offices relating to Indian tribes and issues."That is
ridiculous. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any, but surely just one
could cover all of these issues. No wonder the federal government budget so
large and its tax appetite is so voracious.
It is a dark blot on us as a nation that the position was vacant for so long.
It says "these people are not important"...Who cares about
ancestry? This is an important position that needs a good man, no matter
anything else. Yes, they need help. Education is a key to unlock
many doors.I sincerely hope he does not go in and force his
religious points of view on their affairs with his decisions.It will
be a touch of grace for Native Americans if he is the man everyone says he is,
Mormon or not. A good person is always a blessing.
Many in California are hoping Larry Echohawk will do smthing about the tragedy
of Tribal disenrollments that has grown out of the gaming here. Tribes are
eliminating more Indians that the white man, so they can get more per capita.
Original Pechanga's Blog tells the stories of Tribes like Redding, Picayune and
Pechanga. Larry, it's time to step up and enforce the Indian Civil Rights Act.
No Mormon theology states that Lehi is the sole ancestor of Native Americans.
Matter of fact, any evidence in the Book of Mormon itself indicates that they
lived in a pretty limited geographic area, and that there were other peoples
with whom they interacted. So it's not strange at all, that a people who were
only a small part of the DNA pool, of whom most were wiped out over 1600 years
ago, should not have DNA markers in the current population that we associate
with modern Hebrews. For that matter, who knows what DNA differences existed
between the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Manasseh anciently? Some DNA
researchers have stated that it would be more unusual to see commonalities that
had survived that long, in such a mixed population.Now, Mormon
bashing aside, congratulations to Mr. Echohawk, and I wish him well in his new
You obviously believe that Mormon belief is a fairy tale. So you use the article
to support that belief regardless of what it says. Why would you use an article
to disprove Mormonism and then accuse a Mormon of believing nonsense when he
reminds you the article doesn't refute Mormon belief? Science is fine, but it
has meaning only as it supports our pre-conceived ideas. We can't escape belief
because it represents what we hold as true. Science and religion just provide
the evidence and the clique.
A great man for a difficult job. I have seen first hand many of these people and
the way they live. Despite all of the programs and billions of dollars allocated
and spent over the past years many of these people choose to live in poverty and
will not leave their homes. They will have to either leave their homes for
education or jobs(there is plenty of money allocated for programs that support
that) or build industry(aside from casinos)close to their homes and train the
ones who are willing to work. All the programs and money in the world will not
help those who cannot or will not adapt.
Congratulations to Mr. Echohawk, my favorite law school professor.
would he have control over Indian Health Services too? I hope he can straighten
out the big mess and disorganization in that department. The best of luck to
him in this new course in his life.
Congrats to Mr Echohawk! I have wondered about how the term "indian" came to
denote the people called native americans today. The Indians that Mr Echohawk
is to represent never came from India...so why has that name stuck around so
long to describe them?I guess it's similar to blacks, negros,
african american, etc... IMO, the native americans are truly "Americans"...they
were here long before the Mayflower landed on Plymouth Rock...right? Idk, it's
just something that i have wondered about for some time now.
@Indian vs Native American, I don't think anyone was disputing that they were
here before the Mayflower. I think you should address them by there own tribal
name since they were here before this land was called America. How could they
be called native Americans?
I don't know Mr. EchoHawk personally, but I like his credentials. Bases on his
track record, he will do a good job. Good luck and God Speed.
Early explorers to the Americas were looking for a westward route to India, and
initially thought they'd found one. From that faulty assumption it followed
that the people they encountered were "Indians".
Native Americans suffer from a microcosm of what is about to engulf us all,
namely, socialism. The best thing that Mr. EchoHawk could do, is push for
private property rights, and seek for private industry investment on the
reservations. I grew up in Arizona, near the Navajo Nation (the
country's largest tribe both in land area and population, I believe) and I saw
first hand the frustrating lack of economic progress that confronted these good
people. The "American Dream" sadly bypassed them, mostly through the evils of
the government-run programs that lulled them in complacency and dependency. I would love to see the government do something to invigorate private
industry--light manufacturing, call centers, etc. (there are many
possibilities), that can make use of the huge Native American labor pool that
exists, rather than just throw more socialistic money at the problem. But all
of this would require private property rights...I hope that Mr.
EchoHawk can have the wisdom to try to channel the government's efforts is such
a way so as to foster the American Dream for our Native American brothers and
sisters, and not just more dependency.
I,am a member of the "Terminate" Mixed Blood UintaBand of Ute Indians of
Eastern utah. We are the"only" "Terminated Native American Indians" left
inthe United States. All the other terminated indianshave either
been "reinstated" or thier identity asNative Americans have been
restored.I'am hopeing that "Larry Echohawk" will be the one in our State
to step up to the plate, and help the"Terminated Mixed Blood Uinta" regain
their Identityas Native American Indians.He gives us hope in our
Journey to justice, we havelived for 55 years suffering because of the
experimental law "termination" that congress stampedon our backs. Its
time to lift that brand and restore us back to who we are "American Indians."As the saying goes: "JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICEDENIED" and we hav been
denied for 55 years and counting. Approx. 260 minor children were
terminated, with no voice or vote, out of 490, andthere is no evidence
that any of the mixed bloodsever wanted or asked for termination.Good Luck Larry, were counting on you to step in andhelp us.
The Native Americans are a dying race and we need Echohawk to do what he can to
maintain their culture and bloodlines, since there is no other country that
preserves it. I have been worried about the impact the new census will have on
the Native Americans. If a person is any percent Latino, they would
automatically become 100% Latino, even if they are 25%. Native bloodlines need
to be preserved no matter what the percentage. Native Hawaiians should also be
on the extinct culture list before they are eliminated all together. Americans
need to preserve these Native American races or take responsibility for the
genocide of these cultures and bloodlines.
Congratulations Mr. Echohawk. I'm thrilled for you. Thank you for opening
doors for all of us. My son just completed his first year of law school. You
have been a great example.
I knew Larry Echohawk when he lived briefly in Fremont, California, nearly 34
years ago, before he moved to Idaho. He is a man of fine character. I believe
he will do much good for native Americans and that his actions will improve
their living standards. God Bless you in your new position Larry Echohawk.
The last thing the Indians need is to have captilism imposed on them, that would
insure the end of their indentity and culture. As it is the white man's gambling
casinos are destroying Indian society. Some people can just not get it in their
heads that life is not just all about money. And for those who have not yet
figured it out, Indians are not Hebrew, nnever were and never will be. It is
outrages that some would paint us as something we are not just to support their
indefensiable believes. Come and visit, get to know the Indians and you might
like us for just what we are. We do.
Larry Echohawk will be a tremendous advocate for Native Americans/Indians. Now,
what does the ancient origins of Native Americans/Indians have to do with Larry
Echohawk's appointment? He has stated that "education, economic development and
law enforcement" are the three areas that he will focus on. I doubt determining
the true origins of Native Americans/Indians will be making its way onto that
list of priorities any time soon, so give it a rest. Apologists and bashers,
alike, this is not the place for you to wage your war. Go create a blog or
something. You are annoying.