State plans campaign to raise awareness of chlamydia, gonorrhea
All those kids doing the deed are giving abstinence education a bad name.
Wow! Pushing sex ed into the shadows is really working out, isn't it?
All is not well in Zion...
Self-respect, restraint, moral decency seem to be outdated in today's society
which is a real shame. Delaying sexual activity until marriage is not
impossible, millions of us managed it without any permanent damage. Maintaining
one's dignity is still an acceptable concept to some of us.
No, all is probably just fine in Zion - this article didn't say there was an
increase in members of the LDS church, it said in the State of Utah. there is a
huge influx of non-members moving into the state over the same time period as
was tracked in the article.
Isnt it just amazing that WHEREVER the topic of "sex" comes up, the most vocal
blabbering to jump in and sound off are those who delight in belittling and
snickering at any segment of the population who ATTEMPTS to retain the HIGHEST
standards of behavior? "Abstinance" receives gigantic belittlement in every
imagionable form.If the same standards given the "sex" question were
used in other areas of life...."education", for instance.... the tactic would
be: Anyone, at anytime who sticks to serious persuit of an excellent education
(studies hard, puts test preparation before the weekend "party", sticks to it
and BELIEVES he/she is on the right road) would be attacked, belittled and
excluded from everyday activities as much as possible....And we
would HAVE a shrinking of well educated in our nation, just as we have a SHRUNK
(almost into oblivion) moral youth to run our nation in the future. LOOK at what`s running our country! How did they GET that way? The standards
are gone, the lowest common denominator emerges.....that`s HOW! Snickering and
belittling helped it along big-time!!
Please note that the article measured most of the increase along the Wasatch
Front (read "SLC"). This is the area where all of the liberal, gay-loving,
out-of-staters are now congregating, bringing the plague of sexually transmitted
diseases with them. There have been companion articles about the huge increases
in the gay community in SLC. If you don't see the connection, look just a
As a child of the "fifties" while people were more polite and had manners, sex
did happen. Sad thing is, kids are exposed to so much more now LDS or not that
parents had better educate their sons and daughters, yes sons too. I told my own
I'd rather you wait but if you don't PLEASE us a condom. Protect yourself, value
yourself and if your partner doesn't want to walk away. They don't care about
you and certainly don't love you. It was chlamydia which was my greatest fear
because my daughters may never know why they couldn't have children. No symptoms
but fallopian scarring nonetheless. Be realistic parents for your child's sake.
"Wasatch Front" That's pretty small-minded and bigoted isn't it? What kind of
Christian attitude is that? Get real. A number of my own LDS young women family
members were pregnant when they got married and they're not criminal just human.
It's just nature. Please. Funny thing, our own LDS community was more than happy
to sell off all of our beautiful farmland to the "out-of-staters" for a premium
profit weren't we? Hm? Remember, ye reap what ye sow. We've been jumping on the
land for $$$ band-wagon just as fast as the rest of the country. So, this isn't
"mecca" anymore. Oh and STD's existed even before mass media get real.
It is no wonder that the number of STDs in up. Our public education system has
been so terrorized by those that preach political correctness that the schools
have abandoned teaching the old fashioned values that made this Country great
and made society strong. There was a time when schools were not afraid to teach
values such as chastity, morality, honesty, and respect for others. Now that
the schools are afraid to do so, disease, drug use, and crime are increasing at
an alarming rate.
It might help to lower the number of STD's in Utah with some education. In
Southern Utah we have high school students, who do not know what the term STD
means! And abstinence is literally as efficient as "JUST SAY NO," talk about
beating a dead horse. I am not telling kid to go out and fornication with
multiple partners, but, abstinence is not the solution. One question, that
proves it all, is abstinence education working.? Why is sex such a
demon anyways? Is there a difference between unmarried sex and married sex?
Because married or unmarried you can have a child, catch and STD, its the same
action same risks married or unmarried. I am here today due to premarital sex,
and I couldnt be happier. So maybe I wouldnt be here if my parents were
To Educator, Thank you"Be realistic parents for your child's sake.
Disease and the loss of family structure are sad examples of the consequences of
today's moral standards, for which all of society pays, in the long run. But
let's not over-romanticize the past. People in the "fifties" may have seemed
more polite on the surface, but don't forget that those were the "good old days"
where racial prejudice was alive and well. What could be more rude and immoral
than devaluing and demoting a people based on the quantity of melanin in their
skin? Every age has it's own set of sins to repent of. It was the post-war
boomer generation that helped raise the current crop of rude waywards. Let's all
try to clean up our acts in what we say, do and support on tv & in the movies.
A good example is the best way to promote a healthy, happy, moral lifestyle.
yeah, it's all those "outsiders"..hahahahaha grow up and turn the
I do not want some random teacher talking to my kids about sex, using curriculum
selected by the state. I could agree to implementing an OPTIONAL course,
because there are frankly a lot of ignorant parents who don't know anything, and
aren't going to be able or willing to teach their kids. Depending on the
teacher and the curriculum, I might sign my kids up; but I'm not optimistic.
Too much PC in academic Kool-Aid.Just don't go shoving it down my
throat, or my kids'. We'll handle it in-house, thank you.Human
sexuality is a big deal in life. Healthy attitudes about sex and health are
important. Parents ignore this at their children's peril.Last but
not least: lest we forget and be alarmist over the statistical backbone of this
article, realize: there are only about six states in the US (mostly Northeast)
with a lower rate of chlamydia than Utah. The increase here is troubling, but
we're doing a lot better than most. So those of you on your soapbox about the
"repressive" Mormon culture causing problems, think again. Statistically
speaking, the opposite would seem to be true.
Interesting... first comes the story about how Utah has the highest per capita
consumption of online pornography, then the story of STDs spiking in Utah...
apparently all that "education" isn't working either, is it? The
truth both sides of the issue rarely mention is that abstinence is very
realistic in homes with good parents and strong values.The trouble
is so few kids today come from such homes (despite the delusional claims of
parents to the contrary). Consequently, BOTH messages need to be out
there (abstinence and safe sex).Anyone who tells you differently is
pushing a political agenda rather than caring for young people. Speaking of caring for young people, how tragic for those who have now learned
the hard way. Their lives are irrevocably altered. Please people,
get off your soapboxes and be part of the solution, not the problem.
Why did the comments on this article change??? I commented a couple of times
yesterday, they were posted, and now they are gone... with several other posts
from other posters... I mean there was close to thirty posts yesterday now there
is only eight??? What gives?
There's a HUGE difference between teaching abstinence and the school program
called "abstinence only education." Utah has a law saying that health teachers
have to focus on abstinence only rather than teaching the public health
principles that have been shown to reduce pregnancy and STDs. The
science is in and the results are bad. Utah made a political choice to forbid
certain topics, like condoms, and the result is a higher STD rate.The story says that chlamydia rose by 50% in five years. An earlier post
blames non-mormons moving into the state. For the sake of that argument lets
ignore the fact that most non-mormons also believe in chastity and abstinence as
important life principles. Did our non-mormon population increase by 50%? If
it didn't, the increased disease rate includes our LDS kids.Sex ed
in school isn't going to convince a kid to have sex or not have sex. That
important work happens at home and in church. If school can convince the kids
who aren't being raised to make good choices to at least avoid disease and
pregnancy, lets let the school do it.
Did anyone READ the article?STD's are up -- gay and straight. No religious affiliation was documented, ANY conclusions therein are
biasedThe diseases mentioned can ONLY me transmitted through sex.
Editorial: I got married for the first time in my forties. I dated
hundreds, had sex with none. I had opportunites. I got NO STD's, and gave none
to my spouse or got none back.
Those who think that sex education is the answer to this problem are dreaming.
Who in their right mind doesn't think that all kids in the state, LDS or not,
are more sex-educated than any generation in history? Just turn on the TV for a
few seconds, for crying out loud. Or get on the internet.The answer
is abstinence, restraint, and monogamy, as outdated and conservative as those
ideals seem.All sex education, urging use of/handing out condoms,
and similar logic does is throw fuel on the fire by stimulating young minds to
go exploring. Even those who are 'educated' have little restraint when passions
get hot, and condoms, along with prudence, are left far behind.
Why do some mormons have to be so defense, rushing to blame something like this
on 'non-mormons'. "It must be the influx of non members.... the liberals and
gays!". LOL Get over yourself and realize that issues like these belong to
everyone... yes, even Mormons. It's this very 'it couldn't be us', bury your
head in the sand attitude that results in a lack of knowledge and secrecy when
it comes to sex. How hard is it to figure out that young adults who are afraid
to discuss sex with anyone and/or seek advice or treatment regarding sexual
concerns could be contributing to the spread of STD's. Yes, abstinence is what
we all want for our children, and what we try to teach, but deluding yourself
into believing that is enough is irresponsible and naive.... then again, so is
the belief that one should create as many babies as possible in order to 'go
forth and populate the earth'. Go figure. Newsflash: The earth is now well
BEYOND populated... so stop having so many babies!
LOL. Well done, Abistence Only! Great Job!
Yes, the rates of chlamydia and gonorrhea have increased rapidly in Utah during
the past decade.No, the rates in Utah aren't anywhere close to those
in more "enlightened" states such as California and New York, where explicit sex
ed is a staple of education.According to the latest figures from the
CDC, Utah's overall rate for chlamydia infections is 224 infections per 100,000
population. This compares quite favorably to California at 389, New York at
418, and a national rate of 368.1.Similar figures are seen with
gonorrhea. Utah's rate is 32.2 per 100,000, California's is 85.8, New York's is
91.7, and the national rate is 117.4.Of course, we could follow the
example of Washington, DC, which has comprehensive sex ed and last year gave
away 1.5 million free condoms.Then again, DC's chlamydia rate is
1,037 per 100,000, its gonorrhea rate is 408.1, and its AIDS rate is 148.1. All
three rates are the highest in the nation.You can sneer at
"old-fashioned" values if you wish. But the data tell the real truth.
With the Internet and other types of media, our kids have a difference idea of
what is wrong to do. I would say in Utah, most kids still think that having sex
is crossing the line. But if you ask them about oral sex and they probably have
a different idea. They obviously don't realize they can get the same diseases
from oral sex as they can get from intercourse.
Let's face it, sex ed taught in public schools will never be able to stem this
tide--not by teaching abstinence and not by teaching "safe sex." We are
over-sexualizing ourselves and our children with all of the garbage on TV,
Movies, the internet and popular culture in general. As long as we keep
entertaining ourselves with this garbage, this trend will continue.Morality is going by the wayside and we are reaping the consequences. Plain
I'll try to give the secular point of view (although I am a believer in a
creator/god).For religiously inclined people teaching abstinence to
their kids is fine, it works in many cases, not in all cases. So there is a
problem...For non-religiously inclined people avoiding STDs,
unwanted pregnancies, etc., is easily controlled...carefully choose partners,
use condoms and use birth control, not a hundred percent effective, but largely
effective. Still some whoops!So, to tell society that they must
only teach abstinence is not going to work for people who simply don't see "the
sin in it". Those people want protection to engage in acts they see as normal
and not wrong. Our society should teach all children about "safe sex" and
should provide supplies free from parental intrusion. This is for the good of
society as a whole to do this. For religious families, teach your kids
abstinence, let them learn about "safe sex" and such and if they choose to stray
make it easy for them avoid the consequences of doing so by making birth control
methods and protections available, without parental intrusion. Agency is
preserved and society benefits, win-win!
The data includes no data, hence no findings about religion. Any comments about
religion are based on speculation and bias.STD's are up among gays
and straights.The diseases mentioned can ONY be transmitted through
sex.EditorialSex is not mandatory or inevitable, it is a
choice. (It is also fun!) I got married in my forties for the first time. I
dated hundreds of women, had many opportunities for sex, but waited until
marriage. I didn't give an STD to my wife for a wedding gift, I gave her
confidence in me.
I think the most important thing is that while there are lots of parents who
support abstinence and do a good job of teaching about it, there are lots of
parents who believe in abstinence but don't really talk about sex with their
children. A child's interest in sex doesn't go away just because you don't bring
it up. So if you want to continue shouting abstinence from the
rooftops, you better be talking about it under your own roof--so your kids
aren't learning false information in the halls at school.
It appears people believe "old fashioned values" were a lot better than
contemporary ones. Depending on the time frame, "old fashioned values" could
include arranged marriage, marriage at a much earlier age, not to mention the
fact your wife was your property. As for the good old 50's, our vision of that
decade is shaped more by television shows like "I Love Lucy" where Rikki and
Lucy slept in separate beds than by reality. The rate of pre-marital sex and
adultery was about the same then as now. Child and spousal abuse got swept
under the rug then more than now.Does abstinence work to prevent
STDs 100% of the time? Sure. Is it realistic to expect everyone to wait until
marriage, especially when the average age people get married keeps rising?
Hardly. Educate on prevention. Include abstinence but give all the facts about
how to prevent or reduce the risk of transmission. You can wag your finger at
those engaged in premarital sex all you want but a large percentage of the
population is still going to be sexually active before marriage just like they
were in the "good old days".
You guys are still avoiding the issues! You always say "Well the people from our
church would never do that" Give me a break! Stop blaming it on people who move
into the state. The state is still majority mormon, so don't give me that. You
guys have major issues but you have a real hard time facing them because you
constantly want to fit that good mormon in front of everyone. Give me a break.
How much more evidence is needed to show social conservatives what a joke
Abstinence-Only education is? It is not just a difference of opinion, it is
ENDANGERING OUR CHILDREN!Only teaching teenagers about abstinence in
sex education is like teaching driver's education where the entire curriculum
is: "Never drive a car, and you won't get in an accident. Class dismissed."Surely most of you can see how ineffective, unrealistic, and downright
dangerous that attitude is for our kids.
"Anonymous | 7:11 a.m. May 1, 2009 - All is not well in Zion..."Hey
Einstein, while I admit it's doubtful that not every LDS member follows God's
law of sexual conduct, isn't it a bit presumptious to assume that all of the
people in UT with STDs belong to the LDS church?, ie, "all is not well in
Zion"?Sadly, you have no interest in the kingdom of God.
Are you really gonna compare the sex ed and the disease percentage of utah to
California. There are 38 million people living in the state of california and a
mcuh more diverse enviroment. So you can stop comparing apples to oranges.
Aren't you supposed to be this different or "Peculia"r people. The truth is that
utahns are conformists. They do only what is convenient to them and religon. Go
to Utah and see for yourself. Why do you think that outsiders have such negative
and odd experiences there.
Liberals mock the LDS church's guidelines of sexual activity, often referred to
as the Law of Chastity, saying it is too restrictive and therefore foolish.And yet Jesus Christ said that obeying the truth, i.e., God's laws,
would make us "free".Free from what?Oh, I don't know,
how about free from STDs?Free from infertility.Free from
physical pain.Free from embarassment.Free from guilt.Free from spreading disease to others.Free from spending
your hard earned money on STD treatments.Wow, that freedom sounds
awful, doesn't it?Give me God's counsel any day.Enjoy
Will it make you free from sanctimony?
You've gotta love attitudes like those of "Truth Will Make Us Free" above. The
ideal is fantastic, but you have to be realistic about the fact that many, or
most, people will not reach it!That attitude is nothing more than
pretentious self-righteous posturing. If you were a runner would you coach kids
with the attitude of, "You should never fall. Only weak people fall. If you fall
you're weak, and it's your own fault, no sympathy here."? Or how about as a
parent with your children, "Getting less than an A on any exam or homework or
final is unacceptable. Only dumb and weak kids receive lower than an A. Enjoy
your lower grades." I would hope you would not!The ideal is fine to
teach as a goal to reach, but only if you also are understanding and realistic
and prepare people for the mistakes and imperfections they WILL encounter along
the way. Anything less is doing far more harm than any good self-righteousness
1) about all the people who apparently have no confidence in the ability of a
teenager to wait to have sex (truth is, people wait all the time)2)
about all the people who apparently think that talking about sex and health will
corrupt minds (truth is, the right dialog at the right time is a wonderful tool;
the devil, of course, is in the details, which is why I personally don't trust
Sex Ed. programs in school)3) about all the people who are too busy
rehashing stereotypes to really look at the facts ("prudish & repressive"
Mormons, "corrupt Gentiles" in SLC; Utah with one of the lowest rates of STDs
nationally)A lot of people need to step back and take a deep
breath.I am, however, thankful for the right and power I have to
address these issues in my own family in my own way. There are plenty of false
ideologies out there, and I'm glad I've got about sixteen years with each of my
kids to try to teach them truth and prepare them for healthy, happy lives.
What is all this talk against teaching abstinence. Reality check! Most the
United States still has greater problems with STDs than Utah, and they teach sex
ed in all its forms. The findings don't back up these outlandish claims.There is nothing wrong with teaching abstinence. Teaching abstinence
does not mean that we can't teach children everything they need to know about
sex, either. It is a false conclusion to assume that a child who was taught
abstinence did not learn everything about condoms, STDs, and human sexuality
that any other child was taught. The key is to teach everything, and
let the child choose for themselves the only method that is fool proof--which a
responsible adult would advocate--and that is abstinence. Get your facts
straight and quit drawing illegitimate conclusions.
to - DUH | 7:22 a.m["Delaying sexual activity until marriage is not
impossible, millions of us managed it without any permanent damage."]huh? why should people wait to do something that's fun and can be done
safely? That's like saying don't bungee-jump until you're married.... it's
fun, can be done relatively safely, why should people wait? teach
your kids to at least wait until they can make intelligent decisions about how
to do it and who to do it with (like 17 or 18 yrs old), and teach them how to be
safe, but to just say "don't until you're married" is ridiculous and
["No, all is probably just fine in Zion"]is that your name
for mormon Utah? Zion?I thought it was from the movie "The
Matrix"... or eldorado texas....
["Isnt it just amazing that WHEREVER the topic of "sex" comes up, the most
vocal blabbering to jump in and sound off are those who delight in belittling
and snickering at any segment of the population who ATTEMPTS to retain the
HIGHEST standards of behavior? "Abstinance" receives gigantic belittlement in
every imagionable form."]that's because to only teach abstinence
is like being an ostrich and sticking your head in the sand. Kids will have
sex, and if you don't teach them safety, they are going to get hurt.You would rather wish for your morals to be followed rather than help your
child be safe.
["It is no wonder that the number of STDs in up. Our public education system
has been so terrorized by those that preach political correctness that the
schools have abandoned teaching the old fashioned values that made this Country
great and made society strong. There was a time when schools were not afraid to
teach values such as chastity, morality, honesty, and respect for others. Now
that the schools are afraid to do so, disease, drug use, and crime are
increasing at an alarming rate."]welcome to our planet. sorry
the 1800s passed you by.... how's the temperance league these days?
Anonymous, shut up already! Abstinence did work for me and its a fact that it
works better than fooling around.First line of defence is abstinence.
second is parents teaching an understanding of std's and responsibilities that
come with acting like adults, like; babies, mortgages, bills etc.
Teaching about sex ed needs to come in small doses and before they hit puberty.
We don't ignore math until kids hit junior high or high school and then throw it
all at them and expect them to understand it. Teaching is the key,
communication is vital, but if we wait until they "grow up" to start it will be
to late. On the flip side, they don't need to know everything by the
time they are four either.
Look, it's a combination of strategies with our kids and even then they'll go a
direction that sometimes leaves us scratching our heads. Where did we go wrong
we ask?I didn't mean to suggest that the "fifties" were ideal
either. They weren't. The poster above who cited spousal abuse being kept quiet,
race issues which were certainly onerous...all kinds of societal issues were
unresolved nor discussed. All I'm saying is some notion of
"old-fashioned" beliefs like abstinence are just one part of a total picture.
There aren't a lot of parents who will talk about sex with their kids. They do
so at their peril. Maybe sex ed doesn't help in the long run either but at least
the information has to be put out there for kids. They need to know that the
choices they make aren't done so in a vacuum. If they get AIDS or an STD what
they have done will ultimately affect others because their lives impact others -
family, friends etc. Teach them that. Between all of the strategies something's
going to stick.
Why is everyone here trying so hard to blame somebody?
PEOPLE! Leave to all you to turn an article about increased disease into a
pointing the finger match. Who freaking cares who is to blame, just DO
something about it. Educate your own children the way you see fit. Stop
complaining. And shut up.
"Time for some facts"That was by far the most intelligent comment
posted so far. It is amusing too to see how many attacked you for it.You and Screen Age have it right: while no where seems to have it perfect, the
facts seem to favor areas that teach abstinence, and this whole issue has become
politicized. Most of the comments here have lost sight of the people
affected. This problem is far broader than what may or may not be
taught in schools. Society's double standard is confusing,
especially for young people. We decry violence when it appears in
the news, for example, but pay to see it in our movies and television. And our
media sends equally mixed messages when it comes to sex as well. I
can appreciate that many homes are not what they should be, but schools cannot
replace them, nor overcome the quantity and quality of messages kids are getting
daily from other sources when it comes to teaching kids about safe sex or
abstinence. We can hotly debate the issue, but probably whatever the
schools are doing, it isn't nor can it be enough either way.
I certainly don't speak for the LDS Church with this comment but think it is
extremely important to talk about. First, those members who think this is only a
non-member issue are completely incorrect. We unfortunately have a high rate of
youth pregnancies and STDs in the LDS Church.For me, I strongly
advise my children to remain chaste (abstinent) while dating. But I also make
sure they are educated about safe sexual practices so that if they choose to be
sexual they will both protect themselves, their partner, and a potential spirit
not yet ready to be here on earth. I would like to see my children remain pure
and save themselves for marriage. But if they do engage is sexual activity I
would like them to be safe and feel like they can come to me for support and
guidance through the repentance process.
Invent a pill that stiffles hormones. When a person marries, they go off the
pill. Until then, humans are going to act like humans. Remember the
conservative studies that show young men think about sex once every 5 minutes.
It's the way God made us. Those who preach self control don't remember their
youth. I certainly do and it was great!
I thought this was was about Short Term Disability...
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
you can't even stand up to your own argument...that's like telling them not to
bungee jump until they can be intelligent. Let's face it, a lot of people NEVER
reach a point in their lives where they start making intelligent, well thought
remarkable how fast these discussions turn into a LDS/ANTI-LDS food fight. I want to thank "TIME FOR SOME FACTS"...Remarkable how
everyone just ignores the information that is most relevant and continues to
make the same old tired arguments based on their own version of "Truthiness".There are two things that should be said though.First is a
proven fact that broad-spectrum (including abstinence, contraceptive usage and
provision, and consequence education) programs to combat STD's and unwanted
pregnacies have been proven effective at LOWERING (not stopping) the incedence
of those conditions. It is also a proven fact that narrow-spectrum approaches
(like abstinance only, or just handing out contraception) have little to no
effect on the rates of those conditions.And second, just because
Utahs STD rate is lower than other states, doesn't mean that it isn't a problem.
Both sides of this argument need to stop being stupid and start finding
For those of you lamenting the slide from the good old days of the 50s when
abstinence was taught, etc. check out the CDC's web site. In 1950 the rate for
Gonorrhea was 192.5 per 100,000. In 2007 it was 118.9 per 100,000. Also,
syphilis was at 146.0 in 1950, and in 2007 was 13.7. It seems that despite the
recent rise, we've actually improved the situation with STDs. (note: Chlamydia
wasn't recorded until 1984 so I can't use it as a standard)
Let's face it it's all those NON-mormons trying prove how NON-mormon they
are.It's quite disingenuous to blame abstinenece education or
mormons for all these problems.
Hate to break it to you, but SLC makes up but a small corner of the Wasatch
Front, not to mention less than a 10th of it's population (Wasatch Front--2.1
Million, SLC less than 200,000.)
The ad campaign is said to be frank, so here's my simple catch phrase: "keep
your frank in your pants, AVOID STD'S"
The article did say Utahans! So what percentage of Utah is mormon?? I figured
about 70%. So, its not the mexicans, and gays and blacks, its Mormons to.So if Std's are up 50%, I would suggest people in Utah start teaching sex
education, handing out condoms, trust me clamydia and gonorraha aren't fun to
deal with. Mormons run the state, most of the people in Utah are mormon, so you
do the math!
@ Abstinence is best | 8:50 a.m@ Time for some facts | 9:08 a.mThanks for some sane comments!No place is exempt from these kinds
of problems. It is good to see that our community actually has a much lower rate
than many others. The low rate is most likely a result of parenting not school
programs. I believe parenting and family are largely being devalued
in our society. Pre-marital sex is pushed in every form of entertainment and in
our popular culture. This is what leads to higher rates.Everyone
cries for schools to teach kids values and safe sex. It is really the parents
that need to do this. The #1 predictor of a student doing well is good support
at home.I also think it is funny that so many think LDS are sexually
repressed. That they bury there heads in the sand and don't teach their kids
about sex.I have not met very many "repressed" LDS people. LDS & other religious homes do teach there kids about sex as much or maybe
even more than everyone else. They also set standards which they HOPE their
children will follow.
Parents have the primary responsibility for teaching their children. Churches
and schools are secondary to my way of thinking. I think it is stupid to blame
or even care the religion or ethnicity of the people who are having problems. If
the problem is occuring in Utah, which it is, then its all of Utahs problem. The
problem with many of these threads is that people want to point fingers or slam
some group. Lets take on the problem, not each other. By the way, Abstinence
never hurt anyone, while doing it has hurt many young people, both physically
I have a question, Is society becoming more moral or less moral? I say less
moral. Some commentors on here say,"Let the kids do it, it isn't hurting
anyone." It is hurting someone. There is not just physical problems that can
occur, but emotional ones can be equally devestating. When someone on here
comments, "let them do it, it's not hurting anyone." I visualize a big, fat lazy
slob who wishes they could have sex. Repsonsible people abstain until they are
married in my humble opinion.Of course, those who think they should have
everything now will not agree. They are probably some of the ones who have
prescriptions they take for the "rotting diseases." Teaching restaint in alot of
things goes a long way to having a better society.
To the person who said, "Let them do it, it is not hurting anything." I ask, is
your middle name Valtrex?
60 percent of the people in ut are lds, so i'mto believe that the 40
percent that aren't arethe one's who do all the crime, have sex beforemarriage, kill babies, sex offender's, drug taker's,kill themsleve's,
run away, sure they are. peopleof ut, stop living your lie's.
No, actually unmarried sex and married sex do NOT have the same risk factor ...
if you only have sex with one person in your life, who also waited and only had
sex with you, the risk of you catching an STD is ABSOLUTE ZERO. As in
IMPOSSIBLE. You get nowhere near those results with condoms. They
have scarily high failure rates because they can tear or you can forget about
them just once. I have seen failure rate statistics as high as 30% - even if
that isn't correct, just 5% is still a lot higher than the 0% risk with
abstinence. To parents like "Stake President," I know you have your
kids' best interests at heart but please, please, PLEASE don't fool yourselves -
there is no such thing as "safe" outside the commandments God has set forth.
Period. Man-made "protections" simply fail too often. And they don't address the
emotional and spiritual damage done. Make sure when your kids are "educated
about safe sexual practices" they find that out, too.
Anonymous | 7:28 a.m. May 1, 2009 Right... Mormons never get any
STD's. Yep, it's all those non-Mormons who are catchign the diseases like
crazy.Right!For that matter, don't test any Mormons for
STD's, if they are Mormon, they're STD-free, simple as that.
another line of thoughtfor anyone who has been in bishoprics and
gets to know what members come to repent about...sex outside the
bonds of marriage ---Who are you kidding Mormons?if you
deny, you are LIARS so stop it with your holier than thou. You are fooling no
one, not even you believe your own lies, so stop preaching as if you were 100%
"@truth will make.... | 10:43 a.m. May 1, 2009 - Will it make you free
from sanctimony?""Sanctimony" means "hypocritical holiness".I was talking about obeying God's laws of sexual purity and nothing else
and you then call me a hypocrit.However, how would you know if I
obey God's commandments regarding sexuality or not? I do, by the
way, so I am not hypocritical in this regard.The choice you make to
obey or not obey God's commands is up to you, but we are not free to choose the
consequences of our choices (no matter what foolish liberals say) and the
comparative weight of obedience or disobedience is easy for any to see if one
will just open their eyes.
This is Utah culture at its best. This has been going on since 1847. If you have
multiple partners you had better plan on getting a sexual transmitted
disease.It might help to learn self control.
(This is a problem everywhere, even here in Britain)New data shows
that cases of the infection have risen 21% in men and 16% in women from 2006 to
2007. 3745 chlamydia infections were reported in men in 2006 increasing to 4541
in 2007. 4557 chlamydia infections were reported in women in 2006 increasing to
5291 in 2007. The figures have been released to coincide with the Agencys new
report Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and Young People in the UK
2008.The total number of new STIs diagnosed in the East of England
in 2007 has risen by 9% in the last year (2006/07). The greatest burden of STIs
continues to fall among young people (aged 16 to 24 years). Despite representing
just 11% of the population, this age group was diagnosed with 67% of all new
chlamydia cases, 54% of all genital warts and 49% of all gonorrhoea cases in
2007. Chlamydia remains the most commonly diagnosed STI in the region with 9,832
new cases reported in 2007.
Yes, those STD numbers for different states can be directly compared to each
other because they are expressed as number of cases per 100,000 population, not
absolute number of cases.Which, incidentally, is why the CDC does it
that way in the first place: To allow direct comparision of STD infections in
states that might be completely different in terms of population and
To Stake President-I doubt you are one.To Anon. and all other critics,
Utah LDS do defend themselves regarding articles like these because if it's a
negative report on Utah, you are the first to assume it's LDS related. Then you
tell us to "get over ourselves" when we make such clarifications as pointing out
the dimishing percentage of LDS in Utah. If it's a positive article, we better
not "assume" it's LDS related because you quickly point out the truly low
percentage of LDS that even live in Utah anymore.Solution-Stop reading and
commenting on every LDS related article that comes up and live the life that you
think is above reproach. Or perhaps put your real name on your blog so your
friends and co-workers can fill us in on your true colors.
Clever, very clever.But as usual for people who make that argument,
you have left out the numbers from the "Free Love '60s" and "Swingin' '70s",
when the mantras of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll" and "If it feels good, do
it!" help cause the rates of all STDs to skyrocket.For example, by
1955 the rate for gonorrhea had declined from relatively high wartime levels to
a level comparable to today, but then rapidly increased starting in 1965 to a
rate of 467.7 per 100,000 in 1975.It has only been during the past
decade that the gonorrhea rate has declined to levels seen back in the '50s.Even so, the current gonorrhea rate in Utah is several times lower than
even the lowest US rate, and has been for decades.
Teaching abstinence only works extremely well. Whatever you do, do not teach
sexual education or make contraception available, along with encouraging
abstinence. Just keep pretending your kids will never have sex. It is working
There are wonderful valiant youth in this state of Utah! Whether members or not,
it's the minority (few) that take the wrong pathway to exploration. Our youth
have much thrown at them nowadays. Many unwanted pregnancies leave a family
feeling remorseful and guilty for decades as well as the victim. With BOTH
parents working out of the home due our political system, children are raising
themselves or having strangers do so. There's a reason to believe we're in a
"have pleasure" society giving the devil his throne of glory on earth. If the
spirit of the Lord is in our homes and our children feel the love, they will
respect their bodies and not abuse it in any way. What a few do in private makes
no sense to the thousands who are decent in their choices. One cannot blame the
younger generation for mistakes. I would tell my kids and grand kids: "Don't Die
Dumb!" That means all of us! (The three D's!) Guilt happens when bad choices are
made any time. Think, think, think before you leap! Having premarital sex is no
more than a sneeze! Why waste it needlessly?
Abstinence works for a very small minority of people that truly want to adhere
to that principle and are mentally tough enough to actually reach that goal.For everyone else, you'd better have a pretty good understanding of sex
ed.Lucky for me, my wife and I are in the first group that abstained
until marriage. I've never worried about getting an STD and I am very confident
that I never will. It feels great to never have to worry about contracting the
AIDS virus!My kids will be informed and make an educated decision,
whatever that turns out to be. I will not allow them to use ignorance and
parental uninvolvement as excuses for mistakes they might end up making.
The claim that Sex Ed makes young people promiscuous is absurd. It is analogous
to claiming that teaching the physics of gravity makes people jump off bridges.
If kids want to hook up, they will. Why are people proud that they keep their
kids ignorant and vulnerable? We need more science and less superstition, more
reality and less kooky political symbolism.
Add a special tax to people who have STD's! Make them pay to play so to speak!
After all, they are serious threat to the health of the nation and they drive up
health care costs! We could use the money to pay off the national debt!
As a doctor told a group of STD carriers, "If you choose to have sex with
someone, you have sex with everyone they ever had sex with". STDs, the gift that
keeps on giving!!! Be smart, be abstinate!
Now if they're really looking for a reason to close the schools, this is it.
This is much more serious stuff than the swine flu.
What do the 60s and 70s have to do with it? What I'm against is the
idealization of the 50s as somehow idyllic before we entered the sexual
revolution. The main point is, where do we stand post-sexual revolution as
compared to before? It seems we're actually better off. Also, it's
interesting that you point out how the rate of gonorrhea reached a peak in about
1975 and has steadily declined since then. This is very true. It's also true
that this is about the time that comprehensive (as opposed to abstinence-only)
sex education began gaining traction in the United States paired with advances
in condom effectiveness and promotion. I'm not going to say it caused it, that
would require a lot more research and data, but it's an interesting observation
Utah: you might want to get rid of that terrible radio sex show out of
California...I visited and turned on the radio on a Friday or Saturday night and
couldn't believe how vile it was.
The incidence rates only peaked in 1975. Then they reached a plateau for the
next few years.They didn't start seriously declining until the
mid-1980's, when it became obvious to everyone that sleeping with anonymous
partners would not only put you at risk for a painful infection of the urinary
tract but could also kill you.And as far as gonorrhea is concerned,
the average incidence rates during the "idyllic" 1950's were lower than the
average rates during the 1940's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and even 1990's.Getting back to the main point, if the argument that abstinence-based
sex ed is worthless in preventing STDs were valid, one would expect prudish Utah
to have the highest rates of gonorrhea and chlamydia in the nation. That is
clearly not the case.
I raised my two kids back east. They went through the sex education classes
that the school system offered. They taught abstinance, protected sex, oral sex,
masturbation and much more! EVERYTHING was covered. If they asked me questions I
would answer and if they didn't that was O.K. also. When my oldest went through
the class she never wanted to talk about it. My youngest couldn't wait to tell
me what she had learned. They were both girls. Both of them are now young
adults that are married and have only had one partner, THEIR SPOUSE! So
teaching kids ALL about sex doesn't make them want to go out and do it. It's
the values they are taught at home and peer influences that affect their
choices. I also worked in the high school and was able to attend the health
class with students who need help with work. The teacher taught EVERYTHING in a
caring and sensitive way. LET THE KIDS LEARN.Now am I going to be called
a Liberal or bad Morman. I am a meber of the church and my kids learned 90% of
their values at HOME!
Stay ignorant on sex....and DIE.THIS is no time to not give your children
the BEST scientific and medically sound sex information.Information
doesn't kill, IGNORANCE KILLS.
Though the spread of STDs is a terrible health problem, Washington is coming to
the rescue! They have lowered the age that teenage girls can get the morning
after pill. Brilliant!!
Here's another bit of information, if 18 yo and 19 yo women have the morning
after pill, EVERY teen will be able to buy those pills....EASILY.As easy
as a young adult buying beer for their friends.
re: John Charity Spring | 8:12 a.m. May 1, 2009 >>There was a time
when schools were not afraid to teach values such as chastity, morality,
honesty, and respect for others.
I believe that when a young adult,age 16-24, is caught in the situation where it
is possible to have sex, their emotions are not stable or predictable. Many of
them follow the emotional rollercoaster ride of infatuation: a perilous up and
down spin of euphoria, degradation, self-depreciation, omniscience, and
belligerence. Careful and thoughtful planning are not exactly characteristic of
the the teenage model.Kids who received sex education and were
taught moral values, and kids with caring and careful parents have a better
chance of successfully navigating these years of impulsive behavior. Does that
mean none of these children will choose lightly, emotionally, or be caught in a
difficult situation? No. It means that their parents and teachers have tried
to prepare them for situations they will encounter with realistic scientific,
moral and physical information.STD's are a serious consequence of
irresponsible behavior. Teenagers are famous for irresponsible behavior. The
trap is complicated and tough to avoid. Trying to protect young people from
such traps with education, positive experiences that build self-esteem, and
morality standards that refuse to cave in the idea that "anything goes", are
three ways adults can try to help our kids.
The increasing incidence of STDs in Utah has nothing to do with the Mormon
Church, in which every child is taught to abstain from premarital sexual
activity. Naturally, being human, many LDS kids still succumb to temptation.
While many non-LDS children also are taught similarly, many others imitate their
parents' behavior, seeing nothing wrong with premarital sex. Some of these kids
use condoms; others don't. But for this survey to be useful, it needs to
indicate the rates of STD transmission among active LDS kids, non-active LDS
kids and non-LDS kids, as well as kids who attend no church at all.
I taught my children about sex every time they asked a question, so they knew
quite a bit when they were 5 years old and even more when they were 10. I
didn't go into a lot of detail that was unnecessary to answer their questions
but made it clear that they could ask me anything without fear of embarrassment.
As far as I know, none took part in premarital sexual intercourse, but they are
humans like anybody else and were certainly subject to making mistakes. I do
not consider protected sex outside marriage as a harmless physical activity,
believing it is damaging to the psyche and the soul. My children all believe
that a person should wait for marriage to take part in sex, and they are
teaching their children the same way. I'm not saying it would be impossible for
my children or grandchildren to catch an STD; but I would wager their chances of
contracting any sexually transmitted disease are far, far lower than for the
children and grandchildren of my more permissive friends.
To spindoctors,What kind of stupid idiot would possibly disagree
with the reasonable comment by "Stake President"? What kind of ignorant fool
thinks an intelligent response is "I doubt you are one."Are you daft
It's because Salt Lake City is now San Francisco.
I agree with our children being taught all of the ways to prevent. But,
seriously, if my Stake President or parents made a comment like, "I want you to
practice abstinence, but if you do chose to have sex before marriage do this." I
would have never made it to marriage. The world can teach me those outside
things and believe me I knew, but my parents and religious leaders needed to
stick to their guns. Please Stake Presidents do not go down the if you choose
road, children get that everywhere else. Love them once they make the mistake,
don't condone it before it is done.
How have I had the luck to only live in shielded parts of Utah? Does anyone else
feel like this? I keep getting told that Utah is crazy high in pill
abuse, suicide, porn addiction, poligamy, and now STD's but I just dont see it.
I keep meeting more and more people but all I've run into is meth and rampant
pyramid schemes. Now when I lived outside of Utah in the "regular
world" I knew people with STD problems, drug abuse, lost a friend to suicide,
and porn issues, but I guess I was just living in all the wrong spots there.
For everyone here that complains about this being a recent thing, or one that
came from "outsiders", remember that during World Wars I and II, posters had to
be distributed to GIs, warning them about what was then called VD.This is nothing new - it's just that instead of being warned (e.g. by
posters), no one is preparing these kids.Google "world war ii std
poster" if you're curious.
Please don't assume that people who claim to be virgins when they get married
actually are. There are more young couples having premarital sex than you would
care to know.Each generation is different, and their attitudes to sex
change. I always hear parents saying my children were all chaste when they
married. Ummmmm, I spoke to a lot of young married couples and they had no
trouble admitting that they had premarital sex. When they are home among their
family they are one way, and away from them, they are another. I had premarital
sex, and I had no intention of marrying anyone so I could have sex. Alot of
people do, and when their parents think that something might be going on, they
push them into marriage. I enjoyed my life, didn't get pregnant or an STD. I
am now happily married.I will not teach my children abstinace, but provide
education, resources, respect for their bodies and what they need to do to
protect themselves. Some people live in fantasy land, and make out everything
is all OK.Some LDS kid do take drugs and have sex. They are no
different than the rest.