I sure miss the days when guys stayed where they were drafted from, and traded
once, and were not all about the money, but loved the game, and cared about the
sport instead of how many cars they had, how many square feet their house is,
and how much Bling Bling they wear, and of course didn't worry about finding a
bare spot to put their next tatoo! What ever happened to the good ole' days???
I love D-Will but what does he mean that it's not his place to worry about whos
gonna be on the roster next season. Your the team leader arent you Deron? Than
it should very well be your place to put some input into the front office and
give them your opinion in who is a keeper and who needs to hit the road. I think
the Jazz need to keep Boozer and Kirestinko needs to be traded to someone who
can play decent defense and shoot the ball much much ,much better, let's face it
AK couldnt throw a basketball into the ocean. But I'm nervous and anxious to see
what our roster looks like. Good Riddance to this season and hopefull Sloan,
Brev Knight, J Collins, Harpring, and C.J Miles are gone.
In all due respect Coach Sloan....."continuous process" PLEAAAASSSSE!!!! Please
coach...spare us. Please stop talking. Please take a break. Here's
another process...but it is not continuous. It goes something like this and it
happens the first day of training camp. You say to the fellas...."Fellas...you
will all play like Ronnie Price played in the last quarter of game five with the
Lakers. You will not give up uncontested layups....you will hustle like
Ronnie...you will play defense like Ronnie....or you will be benched. I will
not be talking endlessly about toughness this year because last year it made me
look like an idiot. I will simply be benching or releasing players."Some coaches have a different time table.
Boozer, please opt out because the Jazz need you to go! The team played better
throughout the year when he was out with an injury.Elevate Price to
#2 and let Brevin slip into the Knight. CJ disappointed me and didn't rise to
the level this year that his new contract should have required.Fight
to keep the amazing Milsap. When healthy, Okur is solid, but we need a banger
center that can play some defense.The Jazz can score points, but
need to learn defense.If I were the Jazz management, I'd listen to
Deron Williams and get his point of view on molding the next Jazz team.
Sweet! Whats that 4 years now for DWill.. so by the great ones prediction we
should be primed to make it back to the NBA finals by bout 2018..Man
how many wins will Sloan have by then?He wont have any titles but
he'll have a heap of wins!Surely then no one will dare say he isnt
the best coach of all time.. just look at the wins.I feel so assured
for the future of the Jazz.. we sure are going in the right direction.
Well, it looks like the best choice is Milsap. H e looks like he improves every
year, as opposed to the rest of the options. Hopefully Okur can stick for 1
more year. I'll give him a pass for the playoffs, due to his injury. Boozer
should go, and if he stays they should trade him. He hasn't improved much. I
understand he was hurt, but I still didn't see anything that says he should be
feared. Korver isn't that great a shooter. Streaky at best. The Jazz need a
shooter that can scare some people, we haven't had that in a while. There also
needs to be a more reliable back up point gaurd, or Derron will get old fast,
with the minutes he is playing.
It would be interesting if Boozer would go and Jazz pick up a scorer like TMac
from Houston ...
"We still have things to learn..." I certainly hope defense and heart are at
the top of that long list!
I agree mailman. Lets say he is a great coach because he has been around for a
million years. Look at all the wins, but where is the championships. Not even
one to his credit. Try something new Sloan, this is not working for you or the
Jazz. You may look tough and you have Phil stand in front of you like you are
going to charge the official. Phil let him go and lets see how tough he really
Face it Jazz fans they will never win a title, they will be worse next year and
won't make the playoffs. Deron will leave after his next contract is up because
he will realize that it is hopeless in Utah. Remember the glory days because
they will never happen again. You're not far from being Sacramento.
d will should work on his decision making on the court not off the court..thats
for management to decide...he turns the ball over to much and needs to continue
to develope his outside shooting...we don't need to put personel decisions in
any way shape or form on his shoulders....weather its brewer korver
milsap or whomever...they need to become consistent before they are feared..folks paul milsap is a wonderful player BUT HE IS NOT THE ANSWER....you
hear announcers talking about 2 headed monsters...two players on one team that
are DOMINATING...the jazz have one player dwill that is getting there..but thats
Wow, what a bunch of negative cynics.
Sloan haters just make me tired. Name me one team that beat Jordan in the
finals? And Houston was Awesome in the years between. Sorry, too many things
have to break your way for a championship, and saying someone isn't great just
because he doesn't have one is ridiculous. I suppose Stockton, Malone and
Barkley weren't great because they never got the ring. Tony Gwynn, and Ted
Williams weren't great because the never got the ring. Sloan is a Hall of Fame
coach, and, from what I can gather, one of the most respected in the league.I'm frustrated by the losing too, but the Lakers are a better team this
year. But remember, before they stole Gasol from Memphis they were a team in
turmoil.Just relax, I think that the people in charge tend to have a
better grasp on the situation than we fans do.
head coach 2009-2010 SLoanhead coach 2010-2011 if no strike Johnson
"PHIL"yawn zzzz..........Future of franchise in
Utah: Bleak Bleaker
I posted late yesterday and it was not debated or agreed upon due to the time of
day regarding the post. Here is the fact-Brewer, Milsap, Miles, Korver,
Harpring(because of age) and of course Knight, and Collins are not starters
anywhere in this league on a contending team. Brewer and Milsap I would keep as
bench players but everyone else on this roster other than D-Will would be
tradeable or released. Give me Koufus, Fess, Almond, Price D-Will,Brewer,
Milsap, Okur, maybe Korver and dump the rest through whatever, trades, buyouts
and I will build you a WINNER! Also dumped the whole coaching staff and
O'Connor. Re-tool Greg or fans like myself are going in other directions for
entertainment. What a mess has been created here. NOW is the time for change.
As a Jazz fan living in Phoenix I find it interesting to read all the comments
about Sloan, the Jazz organization and what they should do to fix their
problems. It could be worse. You could be looking to next year with the aging
Shaq, Nash, and Hill, the uninspired Amar'e, and a bunch of "tough" guys off the
bench we've never even heard of before. And, let me think, do we even have a
coach? Let Steve Kerr come run your operations. He'll fix things for you like
he has here. Now, I'll admit, I'm not in the loop when it comes to all things
Jazz. But from the outside looking in, you have some things pretty good up
there. Sure it could use some help off season, and I hope that happens like
many of the rest of you, but build on the good you have, don't destroy it. By
the way, now that the Jazz are out, whose bandwagon are Jazz fans jumping on?
Are there suddenly a large number of Cleveland fans in Utah? Anyone but the
Lakers, right? Go King James!
The Jazz are a young team, people need to realize that. Sloan is right. Jazz
fans are the most impatient fans in the world. No team rebuilds so quickly
after losing two of the best players ever, look at the Bulls they haven't been a
.500 team since Jordan left, now it finally looks like they might be making
progress...and they are in one the largest markets and desirable cities in the
league.We do need to make some changes, but not an overhaul. I
think we really lack a leader on the team and that kills us. As much as I don't
like Fisher when we had him we were a much more focused team, much better on the
road much better effort day in and day out. We have so much talent if we could
bring in a quality hard nosed leader that small piece might be all we need. I
don't have anyone in mind but a veteran leader is needed, I love Dwill but he is
not a real leader other than being the best player.Stop blaming
Sloan he can't be the leader. Coaches aren't leaders.
let Boozer go,let Okur play the 4 spot,Millsap the 3,Brewer and Korver the
2,Williams and Price SG,PLEASEEEEEEEEEE give both Koufos and Fes a real shot at
the 5,or pick up a good defensive minded center,the rest ADIOS,especially
miles...worthless and clueless
If I were KOC here's what I'd do:trade Boozer for Bosh (throw in the
Knicks pick to sweeten the deal)Goodbye CollinsGoodbye KnightTry to sign Okur to a 3 year extension at the same rate. Match pretty
much anything for Millsap.Korver can decide if he wants to stay or go. Resign Price.Sign best PG available from the d-league.Use option
on Fes.Offer Harpring a coach role at the same rate if he retires as a
player.Tell AK if he doesn't gain 20 lbs this summer we will fine him
$200k.Try and sign Brewer to an extension at a slight raise.So here
would be the roster:PG Dwil, Price, dleague backupSG Brewer,
Korver(maybe)SF AK, CJPF Okur, MillsapC Bosh, Fes, KKWe
would be just a little over the cap this year but we would be a much better
team, and have decent chances of winning the ring like 80% at least. We would
use our draft pick on a SG or SF, and trade away our 2nd round picks for 2nd
rounds picks next year.
Led by Sloan this coaching staff as well as the GM have a different plan than
the better teams in this league. Just watch a few other teams intently, watch
their offense and defense then rerun back to the Jazz and anyone with a brain
can see a huge difference. Suck into the middle to help out leaving the
perimeter open, then not even defending the area you suck in to. A high pick and
roll ALL THE TIME as your main option, instead of spreading to court and moving
the ball, setting screens for open 15 to 20 footers like others and slicing to
the basket for open layups, instead of pluuging the middle always with pick and
roll and shooting with no rebouders under the basket. DISGUSTING why this old
system and staff continue to make players run something that is worn out. Clean
Love your comments. People here don't understand that it is a lot worse in a
lot of over towns.
It's actually an easy off-season. Why the Jazz would feel a need to spend extra
money to keep THIS team together is beyond me.Boozer, thanks for a
few great games (one?)Korver, dude, we'll miss your shot, but we can't win
with it anyway.Okur, if anyone should stay it is you...if you could stay
healthy.Milsap, you're a superstar in my book! However, you're not a
superstar in the NBA, and I don't think you will be.Knight, love the
speed! However, it's time to give the young guys their turn.Miles, I know
you played well a year ago and have 2 more years on your contract, but starting
this year was a bad idea, bring back AK.Collins, I don't remember you
playing this year? Were you on the active all year?Williams - we all
love you, but ... take the off-season to rethink how to lead whatever team the
Jazz are next year and remember that the NBA wouldn't allow the Jazz to win the
playoffs if they had two of the greatest players of all time on the team.
I think the Jazz need to shake things up. It is obvious that this team will not
do significantly better next year with the core intact (playoffs, but not a real
championship threat). This may be the year for Sloan to say goodbye. I respect
coach Sloan. I think that he gets the best out of the players he has, and only
a few coaches in the last twenty years have a title. He is one of the "best of
the non-championship coaches." Let Sloan retire to Illinois so that O'Connor
can tweak or change the team and put in another coach and system. Even if Sloan
stays for one more year, is that really going to make a difference?
Why so negative?We win 48 games and go to the playoffs and you still call
it a lousy season? Man, some teams would kill just to make the playoffs, don't
take them for granted.Second, stop with the Sloan stuff, he's a great
coach, and they can still win a championship with him coaching its the players
that need to listen to him. Offseason speaking, keep Boozer,
Kirilenko,Okur, and Millsap, trade miles, and let Knight and koufos walk.
KeepersD-will MillsapRonny PriceMemo OKURKorver( at least he can rebound and take a charge ) AK47 Brewer Koufas Kevin Kreugar to back up Price and hit a three-- cheap $$
Dumpster Duty ---Save $$$$$$ Collins----180,000 per game--$570,00
per minute Boozer Night Fesenko MIles any other $and bag that can free some room and Kevin .. loosen up the purse
strings.. good teams bring good money at the gate and for the playoff.. enough
mediocrity ..buy a team ! Undecided Harpring--too much
money Almond All of the sand bagging money mongers
All in favor would say this:The opt-out provision is an agreed upon
clause between the player and club, so the player has the right to use it. The opt-out clause helps superstars gain leverage over apathetic front
offices. Those who oppose it would say:Players should
simply play. They signed a contract and should not have the right to opt-out of
an agreement. Players use this provision to pressure their teams
into making personnel transactions. Superstars do not have the right to hold
their teams and fans hostage.Boozer's problem:1. He's
not a superstar, and all should recognize that his threat to opt out this summer
is mostly a pipe dream because of his lack of performance on the court.2. He's a malingerer who has failed to suit up for over 60% of the games he
was contracted to play for during the current contract period.3.
His on court performance when he did actually play should not be persuasive to
the Jazz front office.4. He's certainly not a fan favorite.5. He should opt out but he won't find matching money.6.
We're stuck with him.
Nobody beat Jordan but the point is the Jazz should have. We have to dream team
players and still cannot get the job done. Kobe is the best player last year
but does he win the championship? The Jazz had all the weapons Stockton,
Malone, Hornecek, but still could not get it done. You say Houston had an
awesome team, and that is what the Jazz had, difference is Houston wins, Jazz do
not. Lets face it that is why other teams make big roster moves like bringing
in Gasol, they seem to be a tad smarter than the Jazz. If you have to change
players do it, if you have to change the coach do it. The same way is only
going to get you the same thing, 40+ wins and no championships. I guess you are
ok with that, and me to, but once in a great while win one.
Laughable at best. Get rid of Koufos? He was a first year player in Sloan's
system and he did admiral. Anything else you say is taken with a grain of salt.
Jazz can't wait 9 more years because this group of players don't have a
Stockton OR a Malone. They should call this team Scarecrow, Lion, and Tin Men.
No brain, cowardly with no Heart. PS Thank you Ronnie Price for showing
heart. I have much respect for you.
Why so negative? One word for you: Underachievement. A team that had more
talent, was more rounded, and more experienced than the one that went to the WC
finals two seasons ago and semifinals last year got smoked in the first round
this year. What's more frustrating is that, despite being widely
predicted to be one of the top two teams in the west, the Jazz tanked 9 of their
last 11 games and drew the 8th seed in the west; and that was with a full,
largely healthy roster.Had they managed to win at home against
either the Timberwolves, or Golden State (which, I would like to remind you, was
missing all but one of their starters, suited up only 7 players, most of whom
were just called up from the D-league) the Jazz would have made the 7 seed and
had a legit shot of going to the conference finals again. If they had bothered
to show up during the last couple of weeks, they should have been in the top 5
in the west. That's what's frustrating.
I have a great deal of respect for Sloan, and was he has done for the Jazz.
That said, I think it's time he go. Yes, there are some player issues that need
resolving, but too many issues remain that will not change as long as Sloan is
at the helm. He has proven he is either unable or unwilling to adapt to the
changes that he needs to in order to utilize the talent he has. He is unwilling
to 'motivate'. He is unwilling to give young players (even if they have worked
hard, and have earned the chance) a chance. He refuses to acknowledge the 3
point shot..... that we need it (Korver IS already feared by opponents as a
major 3 pt. threat... and there is a reason for it, but he's not allowed to play
as a shooter needs to get the most out of it), and that it killed us this year
(pretty tough for players to constantly try to close out when they are forced to
help inside, leaving wide open shooters to tear us apart).There is more..
but I'm out of space!
danburtreynolds | 9:21 a.m. April 28, 2009 Your ridiculous, name one
professional coach in any sport around the world that has coached for 20+ years
and has NOT won a championship.Anyone who defends Salon because he
got close twice is a joke. The guy is stuck in 70-80s basketball, great coach
yes but his time has come to retire. You can not regress as a team
with the same talent level and expect to keep your job. Bad teams lose at HOME
and on the ROAD... Utah has never won on the road. Is that because of talent?
Or the coach? Talent is good enough to win at home why not on the road?
Decent season for all of the injuries. To Phoenix Jazz fan, yes, I will cheer
for the Cavs. I absolutely hate the lakers because they get anyone they want on
their team (Gasol for example) for nothing, and I am sick of the Lakers winning
it all of the time. $$$$$ talks though. Lakers fans aren't real fans, they just
follow the crowd. Lakers will probably win it though, and I hate to say it, they
should because they have the best team in the league. Lebron, please beat
Kobe!!! His arrogance drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Keep:OkurMiles (needs to improve, but still a value for the $)PriceFes (see Miles)Harpring (only goes if we have to get under
luxury)Korver (only goes if we need to add in a trade)Must
go:KnightCollinsAlmondShould go:Boozer (if
he opts out, then bye bye Booz)AK (his contract keeps this team from being
great - AK is the #1 thing wrong with this team because he doesn't fit the
offense and should be playing PF. Without him, we could use his money to get a
perimeter defender AND post defender. Trade AK for Shaq and use the 2010 money
to get more pieces.)
Ok I can't believe no one has said this but BOOZER AND OKUR TOGETHER DOES NOT
WORK. We need someone that plays interior defense!!! More than anything else.Keepers:DwillPriceBrewerAK(but please stop
shooting jumpers early in the clock)Millsap (has to stay!)Either Okur or Korver (need the outside shooter)I'd prefer Korver
because he hustles takes chargers and rebounds and I'd rather have a center who
can play defense!Get rid of them:Boozer (no effort on defense,
injuries)Miles (waste of talent, Dwill convinced management to keep him
even though they should have let him go)Knight (Price was always
better)Collins (Koufus has so much more potential!)My
postseason prayers will be for a big man who plays D and Millsap and not Boozer
to stay. I know Boozer has better size/talent but he is not a winner people! He
is all about himself! Ask cleveland!
Keep: D-Will, Millsap, Ronnie B., Ronnie P., Okur, Kosta, Matt, Korver Trade: Boozer, Knight, Andre, CJ and/or Almond to move up in the draft to
either get a good big man or a sharpshooter like Stephan Curry or to get a
qiality player, preferably a center or power forward with heart and youth. Release: Fez, Collins, Almond.
I live near DC. The Wiz went to the playoffs last year, and were talking big
early in the year. I thought "there is no way this will be an excellent team,
they just aren't built right." Sure enough, they didn't go. Having previously
lived in Arizona, it is sad to see the suns go down in flames - loved their
style. To make it to the finals, you typically need three elite
players and cheap but effective role players - like the Lakers last year. Deron
is elite, but nobody else is. AK, Booz, and Memo are good, but not elite, and
would start on most NBA teams. Korver, Price, and Millsap are effective role
players. We could have probably packaged one of the top three along with
Millsap for an elite but aging star and a bad contract. But, we still would
need a shot-blocker to make it all the way. Even then, unless you
have an MVP candidate, it is hard to get to the finals.
OK this will be the most unpopular but best post...PG-Williams, Price,
FA/Draft (get rid of Knight)SG-Brewer, Almond (forget about Korver he will
demand too much money)SF-Miles, AKPF-Boozer, (yes keep him, he is a
great scorer and boarder and even got a tiny bit better defensively, AKC-Memo, TYSON CHANDLER!... Yup and how do we get him? by signing and trading
Milsap and Harpring (under contract) .. See Milsap is a hustler and great guy be
he is woefully undersized (he got worn out banging against the bigger guys... He
is going to command tons of money - he does not have the post moves that Boozer
does.. we get Chandler 7-1 great shot blocker... and we are headed to
finals..Finally Keep Koufos dump Collins, Fess..
I think we have to forgive Williams for sounding a little Jaded.I
remember last year when he was talking about doing everything he could to build
a great team and get players to Utah and you heard stories about how he and
Boozer talked about making a championship run together...And then
Boozer goes and basically says, "after this year, I'm getting paid, I don't care
by who, I'm just getting paid." I think that hurt Williams, I
really do. Boozer is gone, I think the Jazz might actually
encourage him to go. They don't want to exceed the cap, they want to keep
Millsap, letting Boozer walk is the only way both of those things happen. I think the Jazz should let Almond, Knight, Collins and maybe Price go
as well.Resign Millsap as long as the price is reasonable (
Man , I like Koufas . He has the makings if Sloan would get off his tractor and
see the field. Koufas has the ability to be a great big man if only the
funes didn't fog Jerry vision and foresight. Same with Price... why he stuck
with the munchkin I have no idea,he couldn't guard my sister and for scrambling
/ steal he was an apparition at best. 11 years in the league and still
didn't learn much.. time for the big hacienda Brevin.
thats a great idea, but um, who is going to want AK people? we owe him 17 mil
next year. isaiah thomas is no longer a GM, which means nobody in the league is
dumb enough to pick that contract up. face it we are stuck with him, no more
trade suggestions for him plz. And who do you think we are going to get for
collins if we trade him? At least he showed up in the playoffs, he made bynum a
non-factor in game 1-3, i'd say keep him just for his hustle in the playoffs, he
earned it. The only real tradeable guys are boozer, miles, korver, memo, price,
and almond. The rest are either untouchable by the team, or nobody wants them
im not gonna say anything about anyone, except for this: ronnie price showed
more hustle in the fourth quarter last night than boozer, knnight or cj did all
year (or more than collins in his whole career). i guarentee that we would have
won 5-10 more games this season had price been the #2. just look at last nights
game! brevin in: -11 (after being tied). price in: deficit cut from 22 to 6.
easy to read people! price must stay!!
That was the thing that made my mind spin all year. Why have Knight in over
Price? It is obvious that this was a huge mistake
The nba 2009 is over for me. I would not like to follow which team is going to
be the champion. But I can not wait to see the big change for Jazz next season.
It is so excited.
Let's not forget who else was out there hustling in the final 4th quarter! Yes
Price made some good connectionsHe hit Korver right on! Korver, Brewer,
and Milsap were giving it their all for a come back! Unfortunately it was just
a little too late! All 4 give it everything they have every game! We need to
keep all 4 of them ....They play well together! Give them another
year together! We need them. They earn their bucks....besides they are very
likable!Do we need a super star? yes it would be nice...where will
we find one? We are already paying for 2 super stars who are falling short!!!
A few words about Korver.....We need him...but we need him to have the freedom
to do his thing! He is one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA, but he is
under utilized. He has been hampered this year with a wrist injury that he has
been pretty quiet about! He never complains, he just tries to play tough. He is
rebounding and making passes inside to others to make the shots! He even takes a
charges on occasion!The Jazz could certainly get more value from him
if they used his strengths more! We have a sharp shooter.....let's
I think it is time to change the collective bargaining agreement. I believe the
NBA should have the right to release a player if they do not perform. If the
NFL can do it so should the NBA. Guaranteed money is just that, guaranteed.
Structure the contract on a base with incremental bonuses for defined areas such
as points, defense, turnovers, points allowed etc etc. Structure the contract
according to the players skill set. Giving him a financial motivation to
improve. You saw a glimpse of this with Millsap. A hungry kid that has worked
his butt-off for the advancement of the almighty dollar. Now for my 2 cents:Let everyone walk except Millsap. If you don't want to play for us we don't
want you. Good bye and good riddance.
Okur is one of the worst defenders in the league, and I'm not just saying it,
it's objective fact. Why have the desire to keep him around, when as far as
I've seen, he's shown little effort?
11-3 for SLoan haters, "sorry sloanaholics"
RE: Keep KorverJust to add a few things. Korver is a good shooter
but Sloan has him having to come off three screens and having to shoot a fade
away on the last screen which is tough for most shooters. The other problem is
that Korver is a lights out shooter when spotted up but because the Jazz have no
inside presence most teams do not double down and we have no shot outside. The
rare times they do double down our bigs never pass out of a double team so its
tough for Jazz shooters except for CJ who has his tent out there. Jazz have
shooters they just need an inside game to take the attention away from the
i love jerry sloan. from what i saw, price, brewer, and millsap are worth
keeping. i'm disappointed in okur. even though he came off an injury and wasn't
fully recovered, he didn't seem to care about helping his team out. his defense
was horrible and he made some stupid mistakes. maybe he doesn't want to be in
utah. i love d-will and boozer, i'm not sure how i feel about him. he has some
great games and other times he's just horrible.