But if she went to BYU, shouldn't her book be sold at Deseret Book?
Maybe the book wasn't selling anymore so Deseret Book made a business decision
to pull the book? Is this really news?
If these Books were appropriate to shelve *before* why aren't they *now*? Shouldnt they have read them and realized that some might find them
risqu and automatically placed them online from the get-go???
oh believe me, they were selling. Breaking Dawn has been at the top of the list
nationwide for nearly 40 weeks now. Maybe they were just there too long. Other
than that, it seems kind of stupid to pull it...
Hello people, just go to another store. If one store doesn't want your money
there are other stores that do. I don't know maybe Borders or Barns and Noble
will still carry your precious "Twilight" series. Get a grip on reality.
Since i have the books, i don't really care if they pull. But i do have to say i
was shocked that they would be pulled; they were starting to become more popular
than Harry Potter.
just because they were written by a mormon and just because they are "more
popular" than harry potter does not mean that they are appropriate and that
everyone should read them.
Honestly, I was concerned about some of the content in these stories. I will
sleep a little easier knowing that people out there agree with me. It's
sometimes unpopular to voice what you feel when there's a book that's so
popular. You don't want to be a downer.
I was always a little surprised that Deseret Book chose to sell these books,
especially Eclipse and Breaking Dawn. It was like they didn't bother to read
them and see if the content was appropriate. Reality check: it's not. Not for
Deseret Book anyway.
what a non-story ...
Gail Wehunt think "deep" means, anyway?
This is very disappointing. I am LDS and have read all the books in the series,
as have many people in my ward. There is nothing inappropriate in any of the
books. Deseret Book has on their shelves other books that are being marketed as
'church books' that are actually quite explicit in certain sensitive areas.
Anyone can walk into the store and pick these books off the shelf, yet the
fictional Twilight saga has joined the ranks of banned books. It's another
example of the objections of a few dictating the choices of the majority. It is
unjust, unwarranted and should not happen.
Did you all read the same story I did? Sales of this book series are lagging, so
they pulled it from the shelves. They and the Church are not saying it's
inappropriate or not. It's just not profitable right now.I don't
read the books, but I heard somewhere that the latest book in the series is not
as good as the others. That makes the whole series damaged goods for now.
Capitalism 101, people.
I find it very odd that Deseret Book would pull the books. You can buy them at
any Wal-Mart, etc -I have read all the books and have found nothing wrong
with them, and think its a little silly for them to pull them. It bothers me
that a bookstore would pull something just because it might be controversial to
some. If the series is not selling, then I guess that would make sense, but I
doubt that is the case.Zgr
Novel Reading-Discourses of the prophet Brigham Young-I
would have our people read novels rather than read nothing at all.
I think Deseret Book can be a bit over the top in these decisions. I live in the
East and the ladies at work love the Twilight series, so I've used it as a
missioanry tool. Whenever there was an article about Stephanie Meyer going to
BYU, I've shared it with them. My non-member co-workers also know that the Book
of Mormon is not about vampires. My hat is tipped to Ms. Meyer and what she has
Not appropriate compared to what? It's a Young Adult fiction novel, appropriate
for that age group.
Good job Deseret Book! Pull the books of the currently most popular nationwide
author who has NEVER waivered in who she is - first a Mom, second an author, and
that she is an active member of the LDS Church. I think you owe this good
woman an apology.
oh this is funny! I believe it was a business decision; if not, there are other
stores like Wal-mart, where they are less expensive. If DB doesn't sell it,
does that mean we can't read it? If that is the case, then what happened to
agency? Just thinking . . .
When the books consistently get more mature and the main character seems to be
preoccupied with sex and they describe the breaking of furniture.... it is no
wonder the books are no longer being sold at DB. And it would make sense they
would pull the entire series even if the first books were more tame. I just
wonder why DB is pulling punches by saying they have a diverse customer base.
They should just come out and say that the books have become more mature than
what is consistent with a religious book store should offer.
I will sleep a little easier knowing my teenage daughters won't be able to get
their hands on this kind of smut. It doesn't belong in a church-owned
bookstore. And it doesn't belong in a public library, as shown by the
courageous move of Brockbank Junior High in Magna.If we as parents
are more vocal about our opposition to this kind of material, libraries and
bookstores will be more reluctant to put it within easy reach of our children.
Of course, I'm not suggesting outright book bans, but I do think we have a voice
and should let it be heard.
I think the books which are written for a teenage audience are extremely
inappropriate. They are filled with mature themes, and infatuation which is
dubbed as true love. My daughter read them before I did, and when I read them I
was so disappointed in them. I feel that the stories are teaching young girls a
twisted view of love. True love is a lot more giving and mature than it is
portrayed by this author. I think that Edward's character is mature in a way,
but Bella is completely immature and unlikeable. The books were entertaining and
an easy read, but completely not worthwhile. kudos to Deseret Book.
I am really surprised by the decision, but they can do as they wish. I didn't
see anything wrong with the series of books, especially comparing them to Harry
Potter. I am not LDS so I guess I don't have the inside feel for the decision
based on the content of the books, but the author is active LDS so that was
surprising. Maybe her being from Arizona makes her a bit more liberal than what
Utah Mormons are use to. This one really stumps me. But then a lot of what
happens in Utah stumps me. Gives me a chuckle now and then.
wait is this not the same newspaper that a few days ago carried an article about
books being recalled because they contained deadly chemicals, and did not people
on these boards scream censorship despite the fact that newer copies of the
books are widely available? Now people are making excuses for Deseret book
pulling books of their shelves? Oh the hypocrisy of it all. Frankly I do not
really care about their decision its their store and they can do what they want,
its the silly comments on these boards i find disrupting.
A private company can do whatever they want and sell whatever they want. Just
because she is an active member of the church doesn't mean her material is
appropriate. You owe all of us an apology for such a ridiculous comment.
These books are for women what p0rn is to men. It appeals to a woman's
emotional intimacy issues and fills the same needs that men find served in
illicit images. Good for Deseret Book.
These books are just fine. I am amazed at all the people who censor books yet
spend their time watching soap operas and reality TV. Soap operas are more
explicit than the Twilight series... My own mother in law would not allow any TV
on, except for her soaps and the Jazz games. But, she faithfully watched those
soaps for years. And yes, I am LDS and have read all of them...
I've worked in a bookstore around here and the books were extremely popular at
first. Everyone who really wanted to read them has already done so.
Seriously... you'd be surprised how quickly a store quits carrying a book after
it's initial popularity runs out. This is just business and really... who is
trying to stir up a hornets nest? Nothing to worry about!
The Dew-run DB has had many misteps.Some of these have cost DB REAL sales,while
doing nothing for the "purity" level of the society they serve.Puritan steps
that just make the organization look pea-brained do no one good.I'll not attack
Ms.Dew personally,but I do not believe her outlook is the best for a company
striving to COMPEETE in this commercial world.Frankly,I do not have a clue why
anyone would want to go into DB and PAY MORE for anything another store would
carry.I ONLY vist their outlet store now.Even that is a shadow of its former
value to me.
Thank you Deseret Book! It's time we as members of the church take a good hard
look at what is in media and literature. This book has no place in an LDS
bookstore. It has sensual content,as well as violence that is bizarre. Do we
really want to sexualize our children this way? Make no mistake, many children
are reading this as well. And,am I the only person who read the passage where
the heroine gets her leg broken by being stepped on? Come on people!jph1223, using this series as a missionary tool is a bit over the top! I know
that these books are popular among many Latter-day Saints, but that doesn't make
them appropriate. Many members today have such low standards that they can't see
the rattlesnake in the picnic basket. My hats off to Deseret Book!
DB is not obligated to carry whatever popular tripe that comes on the market,
even if it comes from a BYU grad. Thank you DB!
Get a life people, I don't think this decision by DB inhibited your ability to
buy the book.
The Old Testament is filled with stories about incest, bestiality and other
inappropriate things. I don't know if children should be exposed to that stuff
Very surprised Deseret even sold them...LDS writer choosing blood drinking
vampire to portray as "good" and "desirable"...Good for Deseret
I have read the first three books and my 14 year old daughter read all four.
She felt that "Breaking Dawn" was definitely inappropriate--especially for
To all you concerned parents out there, I have a news flash for you...your child
unless they are home schooled and locked away from the rest of the world they
are going to see and hear much worse. Sex is not taboo, I do not mean to suggest
free love, children should be raised by their parents in what they feel is an
appropriate moral standard. However there are people who seem to take this to
the absolute extreme as if by doing so they can protect their precious darlings
from everything out there. 'Smut' I hardly think so, Stephanie Meyer I think is
pretty accurate with the teenage angst many of us felt when it came to the
opposite sex. My daughter read all 4 of these books without her mother or I
having to push her to read which was a first, and when questions come up we
answered her questions honestly. I had a mission companion in the MTC who could
not teach about chastity because his parents never talked about sex or allowed
him to go to sex ed class. Please folks it's a natural part of life, teach it
don't fear it
I am glad there are still a few discriminating readers left who can tell the
difference between soft porn and English literature. Twilight is a series of
soft porn for girls and women who imagine themselves as the lackluster heroine
whose infatuated boyfirend rescues her from the doldrums of real life to an
exciting sexual fantasyland. I would never have these books available to young
women as I find them them far from "virtuous, lovely, of good report or
praiseworthy."With virtue one of my paramount values, there is much
in our culture that I do not recommend. Kudos to Deseret Book for having the
courage to take these books and any other of their nature off their shelves.
How often does this happen? I think that it does not happen often enough. With
so many great books to choose from, must we sink to this level for
LDS should stop wondering when the "great Mormon writers and artists" are going
to come along (some do wonder about these things). In a puritanical publishing
and marketing climate, it ain't going to happen.
I think the money was already made on the series so why keep it in the store?
Readers can borrow copies from the library, friends or neighbors so buying them
isn't necessary. I don't think it has anything to do with finally deciding they
were in appropriate, they aren't bringing in as much revenue, and that's what
business is all about.
If the material was so inappropriate, why did DB carry them at all? Easy to pull
the series after the profit checks are in the bank. Please save us from
the self-righteous Utah parents who refuse to parent their children by telling
them - "no, you can't read those books" instead of pulling them from a public
...is clearly a troll. To call these books "smut" is the height of
religious-crusader parody. I'm LDS, I read the first book (turned out to not
really be my cup of tea), and I can say with good conviction that these pages
are harmless. *Spoiler Alert* The worst thing that happens in these books is a
kiss, with no tongue. Teeth, maybe, but no tongue.
This story shouldn't shock anyone! The last book had FAR to many sexual
references to be carried at DB. Good thing their are book stores on EVERY
CORNER! If anyone is angered by this, grow up and walk across the
street to Barnes and Noble.I find this article to be shallow and NOT
NEWS. My favorite part is when the writer interviews the girl that hasn't read
the books, but heard they were good from friends.. I am dying for real news and
so is this writer.
Stop your gripping already. This had nothing to do with censorship. It that
were the case DB would have never sold it in the first place. The first book
has been out how long? Come on wake up now that the DVD for the first movie is
out the sales are dropping so why burden the in-store inventory with an older
series when they can replace it with someting newer that is selling better. You
can still order them online or you can go to Borders.
I haven't read the books but my young adult daughters found the main
relationship disturbing. They felt that it was unhealthy to portray an abusive
relationship as desirable. So, I support Deseret Books decision.
"Our top priority is to meet the needs of our customers, who increasingly
represent a variety of viewpoints..." Coming from Deseret Book with
probably the most monolithic homogeneous target audience imaginable, what does
this statement even mean?
we will get rich blessing if we do not read this book.
The next news story should be about Fanzz stores no longer carrying Kent Benson
jerseys. Somehow readers would turn this into some racial slant against people
who are large, white, slow, and washed up. It's understandable to see why Fanzz
would make a business decision to carry other jerseys that meet their goals and
so it is with other business decisions, including Deseret Book which is owned by
the LDS Church. QUIT CRYING EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
Deseret Book selling the book is not a religious endorsement. Get over it. Go
buy your books somewhere else. You'll probably pay less anyway. I read the first
two books and thought they were ok. I would't think they really fit into the
Deseret Book "type" though. I also don't need to know every book that Deseret
Book decides to stop selling. They probably make decisions like this weekly.
"don't over react" 6:54 a.m. has it right. Those of you trashing DB need to
stop jumping to conclusions about why the book(s) were pulled. I tried to find
very popular book on Amazon (John Adams by David McCullough hard back) and
ended up buying it online from some obscure book store. Should I accuse Amazon
of some conspiracy because I couldn't purchase it directly from Amazon?! If you
can purchase the Twilight books for less at larger retail outlets, DB is
probably not be selling as many at their stores and thus chose to stop carrying
the series follow the money. On another note -- I've read the Twilight series
and am LDS. The first three were entertaining - though the books do present a
distorted view of relationships; however, it IS fiction after all. The last
book was so stupid I couldn't believe any editor would recommend printing it in
its present form. This ruined the series for me and I tossed out all her books
-- will never read them again. Also read The Host -- had to force myself to
finish that book. Tossed it too. To each his / her own!
I am a non Mormon member of a mostly Mormon book club and was surprised that the
same mothers that were very careful about what their young girls read had no
concern about the message these books were sending. I think they did not read
the book with the same mind set they would use on other books because it was
written by a Mormon. There is nothing wrong with the books and they are a good
story but like all books they need to be read with the same concern that the
parents of young girls use on all books and pay careful attention to what the
message is to the younger reader. In this case a young girl is willing to go
against her parents, the advice of friends and Edward himself that he is not the
best choice for her and bottom line give up her life for love. Yes it all works
out but what if it didn't and can you trust your child to choose another Edward,
the odds are against that happening you just need to watch the news to know
that. These books are for teenagers and not pre teen
I am happy with this decision, though I think it a bit late. It is hard to say
to your child that a book is inappropriate when they can point to Deseret Book
as if that is Church sanction. That assumed sanction is demonstrated in many of
the posts here. I was disappointed to see them at DB in the first place. And
don't bother to ask me if I have read them. I have never had a broken leg
either, but I don't need to to know that it is a bad thing. Vampires, teenaged
boy friend/girl friend relationship? How can that be a good thing? Even for us
mothers. I agree, it is women's porn and probably inappropriate for everyone.
Always remember: BIG BROTHER knows best!
Deseret Book should stick to selling the scriptures and other works published
only by general authorities or CES employees. And maybe a few (but not all) of
the CD's made by the Tabernacle Choir. All other books, including "fiction"
only corrupts the mind.
Deseret Book is only good for buying your scriptures. If any of you thought it
was anything else (all those 'other' books aren't scripture, just a good way to
make money by riding the wake of the church) this should be your WAKE UP call.
I find it interesting that they just now decided they don't want to sell the
books as the entire series has been available and sold by Deseret Book for
sometime now. A little late to make a moral statement don't you think? If the
reason they don't want to carry it on their shelves is due to lagging sales then
why didn't they come out and say that? Because they didn't, I doubt it is.
It's about time. I read the first four chapters of Twilight when it first came
out, before Des Book picked it up. It was such obvious tripe I skimmed the rest
of the book in search of anything redeeming and then tossed it. Couldn't
believe the way Deseret Book picked it up after that and pushed it so hard for
years. Ridiculous. I'm a regular Des Book customer because they have things no
one else does, but I have a less respect for the company in recent years, as it
has adopted the making-a-buck mantra over promoting really worthwhile stuff.
The movie was atrocious, and the book is not uplifting. It is obviously not my
choice, but if it were, I would not sell anything in the Church's book store
except that which uplifts the soul and inspires man to do better. Steeping with
vampires who kill and invoke teenage romance is not my idea of uplifting reading
material, even if it was written by a BYU graduate. IMO/compare the uplifting
story behind Saints and Soldiers. Lots of violence and scary circumstances,
which gave it a rating not intended, at least uplifts the soul. Twilight does
nothing but entertain at a very base level. Go to Borders or Barnes and Noble to
get a copy.
For those of you who haven't read the books-- there is only brief reference to
kissing before marraige. The whole idea of abstenance is promoted by Edward the
main character. Then AFTER their marraige, the enjoyment of that part of the
relationship is only illuded to, no details or graphics. (thank heaven) Sex is
a great part of marraige (are we trying to hide that) and these young people
waited !! I'm glad Stepanie stuck to her guns about the morality issue. Enjoyed
the books very much-- as have all my 6 sons.
Why did DB carry the books in the first place? Just because someone is an LDS
BYU grad doesn't mean their books should be sold at DB.
I truly appreciate your comments from a non-member perspective. I agree. Often
we accept things we shouldn't based on origin. No matter the source, we should
seek for things "virtuous, lovely, and of good report and praiseworthy." I won't
be letter my daughters read these books until they are at least 18! As far as Deseret Book's decision, I think people are jumping to conclusions.
They aren't "banning" the book, as it is still available online.
Hey, everyone, chill out. What is the big deal anyway. I have read all of the
Twilight books and they are not on the same level as the Harry Potter books
(Harry Potter books are much better written). However, I wanted to know what my
daughters and their friends were reading and I found them to be a little
questionable in their content. I can see why Deseret Book took them off the
shelves and wondered why they had them there in the first place.
Well, here we go again. Another simple mishandling of the Deseret Book Chain,
again. As if the prying away of Seagull Book from its owners wasnt't bad enough,
(Deseret refused to sell any of their LDS titles to Seagull. Basically forcing
them to either try it without or to sell to them. They sold out to Deseret Book)
now they have to cow-tow to a few misguided and prude individuals. If they can
sell it on their website, why not in the stores? What's wrong with saying "Thank
you for your concern, Joe customer. However, because the book is not seen by
basically anybody of mention to be off color, sexual, deviant, satanistic etc.,
we will continue to carry it." No, we have to be unrational and odd so that we
can truly be seen as a "peculiar people." Come on, Deseret Book, stay in the
game, not throw the towel in at a few misguided space cadets.
Can anyone say FICTION? Remember this is a story - no truth or life altering
epiphanies in these stories - just entertainment. Take it for what it is and
move on - teach kids the difference between reality and fiction and I think we
will all weather this "storm." Come on - is this really a newsworthy story?
People are dying from starvation, disease, and war all over the world and we are
ranting over a few novels?!?
I say burn the books just like you would a witch at the stake. Then, let's force
Ms. Meyer to wear a scarlet letter for her sin, which is elbowing in on the
sales of Sherri Dew's latest piece of literary tripe.
Deseret Book, as a private company, is entirely within their rights to pull this
book off their shelves if they so wish, but let's be honest about reasons- and
I'm pointing the finger directly at Ms. Dew.Deseret Book chose NOT
to carry the books when they first hit the market, most likely due to content-
their buyers are trained to screen books for content appropriate for DB
stores.They DID chose to carry the books when they were suddenly
offered the opportunity to have Meyer do a signing at one of their stores- the
book suddenly became standard fare, and they sold A LOT of them.When
the publisher found out this was the only reason the DB decided to carry the
books, they yanked the signing from DB. DB continued to ride the wave and make
a lot of money.Now that the crest of the sales wave is over, they
are choosing to pull the books, most likely based on content. The thing I find
most concerning is their hypocritical approach to the whole thing. Now that
they've made their money off Meyer, they are washing their hands of her.
Who Cares? If you can get it elsewhere then do it. No big deal. I can't buy a
Big Mac at a car wash, why would I want to get a vampire story at Deseret Book?
Again, Who cares?
It must really be a slow news day along the Wasatch Front when such a non news
worthy article like this gets print and screen (Fox 13 news this
morning)time.Two words: Who Cares? I've never read the series, never will.
Look. It doesn't matter who the author is. One of the commenters suggested that
DB owed the author an apology because she was a Mom, a Member and a good person.
Its about the book, not the author. And DB said what they said.
Enough of their customers were complaining about the book that they were stuck
with the terrible proposition of having to take a best seller off their shelves.
For a retailer to do something like that it requires a lot of guts. Especially
when they can see they are selling enough to warrant keeping them on the shelf
in a GOOD location in the store. No matter what you think about the
decision, you have to give Deseret Book for doing what they felt was right
rather than what they felt was profitable.Well done Deseret Book!
I read the first book in the series and thought it was absolute garbage. I'm
surprised that Stephenie Meyer could write such drivel and not be embarrassed by
it. What's even more surprising is how many women my age think the "Twilight"
series is the best thing they've ever read. I'm not saying everyone should only
read literary classics, but if you need an escapism fix, aren't there better
choices? Just my humble opinion.
I work with the YW in church and all the girls were reading this series so I
thought I would check it out. I read two and was both enthralled and
disappointed at the same time. For a novel that is aimed at teens I was very
bothered because sensuality was soft pedaled as love and vise versa. I think
that is ultimately why this series is contested as appropriate for a young lds
audience. Yes, it was an entertaining read, but the confusing point for youth
is that Bella is willing to lose her soul to continue in her relationship with
Edward and the nature of the story makes it so you, the young reader, become so
engrossed in the story that you also want her to lose her soul for Edward's
love. I found this to be disturbing and decided not to allow my children to
read it at this time when their ideas about love and romance are still being
These books were no worse than the smut Jack Weyland writes (wrote?). His books
promoted abusive relationships where the wife was totally submissive (if she
wasn't in the beginning she quickly learned her lesson and became so in the end)
and the husband was dominant and controlling who only wanted a break-baking,
cooking-making, tie-picking out kind of woman! If DB wants to pull books from
its shelf it should start there...
What? She's BYU's own alumni who made good! I can't believe Deseret Book will
not carry her books! They will loose a lot of money! Too Bad!
You people are all a silly, foolish, bunch of gripes. I like the twilight books
because they Kinda remind me of the twilight ZONE!
Porn?!?!? Are you people for real? In NO WAY does this book even come close to
porn or soft porn! Yes, the main characters have sex in the final installment -
AFTER THEY'RE MARRIED - and there is never any detail given about that - it is
only implied. Guess what people? That's what happens when most people get
married! (well, truth be told, a lot before then, as well) Even Mormons (myself
being one) have sex! Shock!!! That's how we keep getting little baby Mormons.
Grow up and stop being hypocrites everyone! Oh, and yes, this really is a
non-story. Business decisions are business decisions - nothing more, nothing
I say we have a book burning.
My teen kids like the books; I don't think they are written very well. My kids
and I talk about the content, the writing quality, and character analyses. We
discuss flaws and strengths in the writing. We also talk about values/morals as
they are presented through the characters, how they match or don't match with
our own, and whether they are reasonable and adoptable, or are shallow and
silly. We voted in general for the latter, because Bella is rather stupid and
unadmirable; and no one in our family needs to make a choice about having human
vs. animal blood for dinner, so that "value" is rather moot. And btw, we got our
copies somewhere other than Des. Book, for a heck of a lot less.
They pulled them because some zealot called in and complained.....these people
do more harm than good for the church. Back of you weaners!
What is everybody complaining about? Banned books? Sheesh. This isn't about
censorship! Go buy them somewhere else! I'll bet they're cheaper at
Sprawl-Mart or Amazon.com than Deseret Book anyway! I have no interest in the
books, I find the over-inflated hype and obsessions that people have the books
to be rather disturbing!
I just checked DB's online site. Even the first six Harry Potter books aren't
sold there anymore (unless you buy them as a set.) It would seem to me that
this was a business decision, NOT a moral comment.
Good people,The book series was not only about a morallity issue. The
very idea of vampires and their "undeadness" (is that a word?) and, their unholy
practices is the very opposite of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Is that what we as
followers of Christ want to fill our minds with?You might be surprised at
how the slippery the slope to undireable immagination becomes in a person's mind
when introduced to such concepts under the guise of "popular fiction."One
final question...do we as a Christain church want to be assoicated with such
And news like this reminds me of how happy I am to not live in Stepford Land.
First, let me say that I've read the books. I felt uncomfortable with a few
things in them. I debated on whether or not to read the last book, but wanting
to find out how it ended, I did read it and was even more unconfortable. Yes,
they are mild compared to many things in the world, but I felt like they push
things about as far as they can go when it comes to LDS standards. The feeling
I got while reading them was "how far can we go without actually crossing the
line". Hmmm. Aren't we supposed to be advising our youth to stay far away from
that line? I would NEVER want my teenage daughters to read them because of the
messages sent. Like I said... to close to that line and too many other
questionable messages. (lying to parents, etc.) Am I sorry I read them? Yes,
because I don't like to feel uncomfortable about what I read.
I think the problem with the series, particularly the last book, is that they
are just too sensual. Face it, women are more excited by words than images, and
these books played to that. I read them along with my young adult daughter, and
honestly I didn't find anything redeeming in them. It was sad to
see most of the young women at church going crazy about the series. Truthfully, the books aren't that well written, and I don't believe they will
stand the test of time. They are simply a passing fad.
Good job DB! Those books never had a place on your shelves. You should review
other controversial books as well, such as some from Orson Scott Card.
I must say that it is a wonderful decision by Deseret Book!! We should be
reading out of the BEST books, not just because a mormon wrote it etc... I would
not want to use these set of books as a missionary tool. Would you want our
savior to sit next to you and read these books with you? There are things in
these books that are inappropriate period.
Des book says the book had mixed reviews and implies that it was from a moral
standpoint. If the standard is that any book in DB can be read by all audiences
they sound like boring books. This obviously is not the case its DB, buckling
under controversy by prudish members who want DB to play sensor instead of the
parents. Having read the books so I would know what my wife was talking about I
found them tame but entertaining, but they are PG-13 (so why won't she read
Grisham?). DB made a ton of money, but still left a ton of money on the table
at their high margin ongoing. Wrong decision revenue wise. I'm sure they need
to pull other books w/ to consistently meet this high moral standard. As a
member / subscriber to des news have to side w/ the trib readers on this one.
I have 4 daughters 38-15. The 15 & 33 yo and I have read all four books of the
'Twilight' series. I do not see, as another commented, that the relation-ship
between "Bella" & Edward was one of abuse. Saw the movie as well. We (daughter)
have discussed about what is in the book and said to keep in mind that this is
"a fictional story", that most young men would NOT think of a girls safety or
emotional needs. Been a member for 33 years, seen lots of insults, verbal and
mental abuse from young men -and a few adult members towards girls. Which she
has received. My point to her is, using the character of Edward, he refused to
give in to what was (natural to him)i.e, "natural man", kept her safty first.
Violence in the Book of Mormon, passages that tell of wars where people were
beheaded and so evil that they still tried to get up to kill. All parents need
to read what their kids do, even school, and talk about how this would relate to
situations in real life. Symbolism can be translated as in literature read in
Deseret Books only sells books that are outrageously overpriced. Have you ever
heard of a hyndred pages for $20 anywhere else! Lower your prices or get eaten
by the Seagulls.
I would like to know how much money did Deseret Book make off of selling the
Twilight series before they made this decision? Is there not one employee that
can read, how behind are they in what these books are about? Give me a freaking
I salute you Deseret Book! Now if they will only pull Hamlet, (all that blood
and possible incest), and get rid of that rotten Twelfth Night (cross dressing
females). Ok, any book by Shakespeare. And they should pull all Harry Potter
books since they involve "magic" and "witches and wizards." And to placate
those parents who clearly see the Twilight series as subversive, immoral and
"evil," we should also pull any book by Dr. Seuss, as they have talking animals,
and certainly, that Grinch's likeness is a lot like Cane, (a hairy man)
condemned to walk the earth for killing Abel. Not good for you, little Timmy
Foo, said uber-Mo Dad to his child who was sad. So here's to you
Deseret Book, (I raise a glass of grape juice or a hot cup of postum) in your
honor! You caved to the nutty fringe of my church, who only allow their kids to
watch re-runs of General Conference, and are impressed by the spirit to keep
them away from Bert and Ernie as they may be "those types." You have scored
another victory for decency, truth, and the Zion way.
DB can do whatever they want. It is their decision what they sell, and it is my
decision whether I will purchase something from them. However
people, you should stop judging other people for what they want to read. If you
don't like Twilight or Harry Potter or Pokemon, or whatever is the perceived
evil this week, THEN DON'T READ IT. Educate your own family about it. But
don't come on a message board, or some stupid crusade to get rid of it because
you don't like it. That is what the nazi's did.
You better put your tinfoil hat on, and lock your children in your bomb shelter
and never go out. Guess what, if your children want to read this series, or do
something else you don't approve of... THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT. The
more control you impose over them, the more likely they are going to go out and
do what you don't want them to. It is about teaching them, not controlling
Des Book is bailing out now that the phenomenon is fading and the $ is slowing.
Mixed reviews . . . how long ago did the reviews come out? Give me a break,
they are putting the cash cow out to pasture.
We are not bashing DB for removing the book... at least I am not.... what I am
bashing is that they say that they removed the book due to mixed review.... so
they are trying to take the "high" road morally and make it look like they were
removing it because DB is so righteous.... when in reality the sales have
dropped and so it was business smart to remove it. That is all
fine, but please, spare us on the "moral" reasons and just tell us the real
reason you are removing it.... if it is due to "moral" reasons, then I would
love to see DB donate all proceeds that they got from this book to some
charity.And wake up people... it is fiction.... the cover is not
full of porn... anyone and everyone has the ability to "choose" to read it or
not. To that crazy concerned Dad shouldn't you have more trust in
your kids that if you asked them to not read it they wouldn't.... because if all
you do as a parent is dictate... then the second they leave the house they are
gone... let them learn to choose
That was a stupid book any ways.
To "Calm Down People" at 7:47I really liked The Host. I think it is the
best thing Stephenie has written. Great science fiction.
This is so lame! The books have been out for how long and they are just now
deciding to pull them??? There isn't anything wrong with the books. I see no
reason for this decision and I think it's petty and stupid for Deseret Book to
pull them ~ Especially where they earned so much money off of them in the first
place (I bought 3 of my copies from them and I saw many others doing the same
thing each time I went). Just stupid....
I see this as a business decision to give shelf space and promotion to books
that are not likely to be found in other stores. Twilight can be found
anywhere, but LDS religious books are not found in that many other venues.
Deseret Book is just trying to stick with its mission of promoting LDS themed
works, and I don't really see the controversy.
I look at all books through the same lense. It doesn't matter who wrote them,
what matters is content and what is portrayed. For all those who think that
being "puritanical" is old fashioned or no longer relevant, look at our society
and where we are headed. Enough said.
The Twilight series is a great series but not for the squimish. We allowed our
teenage daughter to read the twilight series. There were a few things that made
me uncomfortable but we spoke about those things with our daughter and it opened
up for some great conversation between adults and a teenager. I think that
Deseret book is wrong for removing them from the shelf but since the initial run
and profits from the series is probably over it was a great political decision.
BTW.. .Those of you who call the books evil are probably part of the right
wing wacko bunch who the bretheren warn us about... A little more centered
Why do people shop at Deseret Book for these books in the first place makes no
sense to me. Deseret Book is such a scam--everything is way overpriced there.
If it's a regular book, like Harry Potter or Twilight, you are better off
getting it off Amazon. If it's a church-type book, try Seagull first. I only
shop at Deseret Book for things that they and only they carry.I
don't understand how the company makes money, given their exorbitant prices.
But I guess it makes a lot of LDS feel good to shop there.
I have been in DB many times and have purchased many fiction books that I enjoy
reading. These books are filled with violence, romance (nothing explicite) and
certainly are a good read. They are about Goblins orces demons and other
assorted fantasies. Have then been pulled as well. If not then clearly DB has
dones this for the wrong reasons. That having been said they have the right to
sell whatever they want. Even when it does not make sense.
Great Comments! I second her statements.
It surprises me how many of the comments I've read reveal a comfort zone that
aligns with the worlds standards. For example "you people are all silly,
foolish, bunch of gripes" "there is really nothing deep, sadistic or evil in
it". Members of the true church, read the 13th article of faith again...I
believe the word "virtuous" is stated as a quality we should seek after. I have
read twilight and its sequels and know the content is misleading. My own beehive
daughter hears how everyone her age has read these books and wants to know if
she can. These books are not for unmarried girls, boys, young women and young
men. These books can lead a young mind to believe "sex" is worth getting
married for; or even worse, skip the marriage and get to the sex! I am grateful
Deseret Book has taken these books off their shelves and I don't care that
Stephanie Meyer is a graduate of BYU and a member of the church. Hopefully we
are not aligning our standards to any individual other than our Savior.
Wrong. Honor would have been never carrying the book to begin with. No doubt
people with DBook had read the material in the book before deciding to carry it.
And if you are suggesting that many years after they came to popularity LDS
members suddenly just started complaining about seeing them on the shelves, you
are blind my friend.DBook took the opportunity to make some nice
coin, while ignoring the material in the books that some LDS members could find
offensive, surprise there they find just about everything offensive. Then down
the road as sales start to slow, they pull out the morality card to give
complaining customers what they want? Reaks of profit grubbing hypocrisy. Had
they never carried the books, and missed out on the huge paydays, they would
have honored their beliefs. What transpired instead was looking out for #1
first, then trying to save face by acting like Big Brother.
I love it when people filled with their righteous indignation decide to give it
their two cents...they have every right to do so, since this is a blog, but
words like "Chill out," "What??" and "ok, listen up people!" are handwringer
approaches to solving everyones problems, assuming they have a problem since
they too are only expressing their opinion. What is sooo deserving of your
righteous indignation? There is no shortage of people who think they are going
to utter life changing textual nuances on this blog, hoping to generate heated
exchanges. Why cant we express our opinion, generating only interesting
opinions, without the provocateur coming out in us? "I will extinguish all of
your concerns with an exclamation point followed by 5 question marks" discredits
you right off the bat. IMO. P.S. I think Twilight is a dull fantasy based
vampiretical blood bath, sex themed waste of time. Probably will go the way of
all other Hollywood fanatasies...immorality. I happen to think vampires,
warewolves and witches portrayed as hero's is not a good thing to teach my kids.
Let us be clear...these books are fiction. Fictional books can have aspects of
magic, romance, intrigue, fighting, etc. The fictional romance is intriguing to
many, especially women. It is not pornographic nor overly descriptive. I've
read all the books and seen movie number one (can't wait for the next one!).
I don't see many buyers in Deseret Book and have often wondered if
the business makes money or if it only exists to funnel money to GAs through
book advances, for books they write which never make money...Now they take a
bestseller off the shelf, wow.
I have never read these Vampire romance novels (straight men don't do these
types of things)but, for the life of me is somebody at Desert Book having a
"hissy fit" over romantic vampirical relationships? There is more questionable
material on the shelves at DB than these dorky books. However, I believe in the
book of II Chronicles you'll find warnings about falling in love with the
undead. Look it up. Then get a life!
The 'Twilight' series is a classic case of LDS people shifting our values in the
wrong direction as the world continues to shift further into Satan's snare. The
First Presidency was warning about racy movies, and books in the 1940s! Imagine
their dismay at the filthy tripe LDS members are ingesting today! I am an LDS
Bishop and the youth in my ward recommended this series to me 1 1/2 years ago.
I tried to read it and couldn't make it past the first quarter of the first book
without being sick to my stomach that our youth were subjecting themselves to a
story where a young girl was heavily tempted to pair off with a much older and
very dangerous man. I have since turned down any request by our Relief Society
book club to read any of Ms. Meyer's books and I have cautioned parents in our
Ward to steer widely clear of this dark and dangerous series (or anything like
it). I am grateful that Sherri Dew (Deseret's CEO) has finally decided it is
not worth the downside to carry this series that, at best, is not of good
Does that mean that the BYU Bookstore willbe the next place to pull her book off
Enjoyed reading above comments (people are not "crying") they are just
expressing themselves in a little open discourse - kind of like finding out what
the rest of the world thinks, ya think? The one comment from Journal of
Discoures should heighten some readers to take a look at that "series" - really
(really) some great stuff (eyeopening?). By the way, do we remember the funny
faux rumor of DB closing down for a day while they moved a certain GA's books
from the non-fiction section to the fiction section? Great to read the above
comments...as life unfolds while waves and changes occur! Very insightful....
Finally! I don't see how people could say it was just "a little mature for some
readers." The later books in the series have a bed scene, for crying out loud.
Besides, I was personally a little worried about how many LDS young girls were
really getting into Twilight's message of the excitement of the forbidden - the
'dangerous love' appeal. Not the best thing to get our girls hooked on.
Exactly, Deseret Book chose to milk the money from these books, once they saw a
dip in sales, now they get all self-righteous.The last book should
have never been in stores in the first place and if they didn't know it's
contents they certainly did within a week and once the shipment was sold out,
they should have made this decisions then. But they knew money was
to be had, thus they kept their pretty lips silent. Desert Book is
just an organization established on preistcraft.
Some of you people are absolutely nuts. What kind of strange society is this?
Like they always say everywhere....ONLY IN UTAH!Leave the book
alone! Utah has dealt with much more perverse or perversion than this ignorant
"TWILIGHT" book, and with ignorant people who buy and read this junk.
I am surprised the series was at Deseret Book to begin with. I have always
viewed them as a resource for LDS books and other LDS material exclusively. I
personally find absolutely nothing wrong with the content in the Twighlight
series for LDS youth or adults to read but I would never have even considered
buying it at Deseret Book. In the same way I don't go to Barnes and Nobles to
find the latest book or cd from one of the General Authorities.As a
side note - there have been a few comments in my ward's GD class criticizing
Twighlight and Harry Potter as satanic or a bad influence at best. I just laugh
(usually not out loud) and appreciate that type of humor in church.
Ultra-conservative LDS members and comments truly make the 3-hour block more
enjoyable and amusing.
Yeah, real controversial stuff. Give us a break and stop trying to protect us
I think it's a shame that Deseret Book made this decision, but I guess there are
some customers who are ULTRA SENSITIVE. The books really have
nothing objectionable in them. In fact, they teach a lot of really important
moral principles. But, they are not meant for children. They are meant for
young adults.I admire Stephanie and support her efforts.
One of the reasons I chose to read these books was because of the common
argument: "Well, the books are sold at Deseret Book so they must be okay." I now
know to be more discerning regardless of whether or not they are sold at an LDS
Bookstore or if the author is LDS or a fellow BYU grad. These books (1-4, not
just the last one) do not reflect LDS youth standards. I initially found the
books entertaining but then had to take a step back and think about the content.
In the first book, Edward is regularly spending the night in bed with Bella but
nothing happens so its okay. The characters are presented as having amazing self
control. All Bella wants is to have sex with Edward. NOTHING else matters. Not
her relationship with her friends or her parents and certainly not taking the
silly step of getting married first. Edward had to MAKE her do that. Why does
anyone think these books are appropriate for LDS pre-teens or teenagers? The
problem is not necessarily that infatuation and sex are themes. The problem is
that an unhealthy relationship is presented as good and desirable.
I think "Edward" at 9:15 gets the issue the best. Anonymous at 9:16 has not
read the article closely enough. The only person who mentioned the inapropriate
content of the book as a possible issue was a random shopper who had no actual
insight on the actions of the administration of Deseret Book. One last
thing, I think the head-line of this article is misleading. It makes it sound
like (maybe not saying, but giving the impression) that Deseret Book took some
issue with "Twilight", however when you read the article it appears that this is
just a decision to stock the shelves with high turnover items, and since it has
been I think at least a year since the last of the Twilight books came out, this
probably just tells us Deseret Book does not feel that they need to keep this
fiction book on the shelves still at a point when its rate of purchase is down.
To the 9:45 commentator, Books selling nation-wide and selling at
Deseret Book are not neccesarily related occurances. When I travel to Utah or
somewhere else where I get to go to Deseret Book, I scoure the shelves for
history books, not for works of fiction. Of course, I am not neccesarily the
average shopper, but with just about any seller of new books carrying Stephanie
Meyer's work, people will not have to travel to Deseret Book to get it.
Especially outside of Utah, Deseret Book is so few and far between their best
selling items probably tend to be things you can only buy there, and not books
where they are not differenciated from other book sellers.
The trolls are ripe and strong.
I will try this one more time. First off, people should READ the
article, not just the head-line. If you read the article you will find that
Deseret Book has not classed "Twilight" as a banned book. They still allow
special ordering of it from the Book store. They just felt that it was not
logical to leave it on the shelves still. Secondly, and I am despairing
to get this point across to people, the comment about not being appropriate for
all readers was not made by anyone in anyway connected with Deseret Book, but by
some random shopper. For example, if I were in Borders Book Store and made some
comment about a book they were or were not selling to a reporter my comment
would remain my own opinion and not carry the weight of the institution just
because I hapened to be on its property when I made the comment. Please
understand issues before you comment on them.
I can't believe Deseret Book even carried these books...Vampires?????My daughter has a roommate who asked her to help her
with a research paper... This girl was failing out of a private college in the
New England area. When asked her topic, she replied, "Vampires". Her room is
plastered with posters of this book and she truly believed there was research
enough to write about it..This kind of reading is a waste of time
and again I can't believe Deseret Book even sold them at all.
To the 6:24 commentator, You should clearly have read the article.
Deseret Book is still selling the "Twilight" series, they are just not on the
book shelves, but you still can buy them from Deseret Book.
THe spokeswoman said that because they specialize in religious books, the
decision was made to pull the "Twilight" series. That seems sensible. The book
is very popular with many people and because of that it obviously takes up a bit
of room. I know that most Deseret Book stores are not as large as the one in
SL, so if you're specializing in a particular type of book it makes sense to
'make room'. 'Twilight' is available elsewhere, so go to Wal-Mart. I don't
recall seeing the Harry Potter series displayed at Deseret Book either. It's
the volume not the author that makes a difference in this case.
Even further reason not to go to Deseret Book.
I agree with Janet. I read the series and the whole time wondered what Deseret
and a Mormon author was thinking writing/selling these books for young girls! I
read them with my young teen granddaughters, 12 & 14, in mind. With all the Goth
and obsession with vampirism I refused to let my granddaughters read them and
spoke to their Mother's.(I had told them they could read them after me. One
didn't agree.. at first, after giving it some thought she had my son read them
and they did not let their daughter read them. However, she did get to see the
movie. When "Love" is romaticised even if it puts you in harms way, above all
else, it is a recipe for trouble. Definetly not for pre teens.
to the 6:50 commentator, While you may personally know someone who
censors books and yet watches Soap Operas, my experience is that the people who
have issues with this book tend to have never watched a Sopa Opera, at least
except maybe having seen a few snipets while they were in a waiting room where
one was being played. However, you like several other readers do not get
it. Deseret Book did not say "We pulled this book because it was inapropriate".
This is not a case of deciding a book was too sensitive to put on their
shelves, but seems to be more a decision that after at least 40 weeks on the
market a novel with no clear religious themes that is available in many other
stores is no longer representative of the most effecient use of book space by a
book store that specializes in selling religious books. As I said before
part of the problem is the misleading headline. However, it all boils down to a
decision to use the space more effiently for Deseret Books unique offerings.
This is obviously just a business decision in response to customer complaints
and has nothing to do with any kind of judgment as to the quality or
appropriateness of Meyer's Twilight books. Do we really need to be so commanded
in all things that we use the list of what DB sells and does not sell as a
surrogate for following the light of Christ?
Since my Mom has gone to visit my brother during the break between Winter and
Spring semesters at BYU I have at least direct evidence that this is a logical
possibility. "Devierse Customers" in this context may be a ference to the
fact that Deseret Book, especially the ones in Provo and Orem get a large amount
of business from Out of state visitors (and even from Out of Country vistors)
especially at the time of graduation at BYU (that is this week). Buying a book
that they can pick up at any local bookstore is not going to be a top priority
to these visitors, so I can see this situation as a reason to put on the shelves
books that better meet the desires of people who are making there at best annual
(and wuite possibly once-in-a-lifetime) visit to an actual Deseret Book store.
Those in this group who ever had any intention of buying "Twilight" have
probably already done it, and seeing it sitting on the shelves is probably not
going to get many new sales.
Well, it is clear the 7:02 commentator hates Sherri Dew. I wonder if this is
related to the fact Sister Dew believes children should be raised by a father
and a mother. I have a strong suspicion it is. Of course I am sitting
next to a book shelf where probably half the books were published by Deseret
Book, and if we count Bookcraft that has since become a part of Deseret Book
than the percentage is higher. I applaud Sister Dew's leadership of
Deseret Book, and just wish they would publish more histories. I would buy an
updated edition of the "Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint History" although at
nine years old it is probably a bit soon to update it. In fact, I have
decided I need to put my money where my mouth is and am going to go order a book
from Deseret Book, probably Edward Kimball's history of the time his father was
president of the Church.
your teenage daughters have a bigger problem than the twilight books ... YOU!
Get a life folks, what has there been over a 100 commentors telling DB what or
what to do, combined with "moralilty" stuff. Why not everyone read the story
again and simply say, oh! DB has pulled these books along with others (very
common practice in any bookstore) and let it go. To the haters and the
defenders and those who claim to be middle road but are really haters or
defenders my first 4 words again. Get a life folks!!
Beware... What Trolls? Can you give examples??? I see nothing here but people
expressing their opinion. Some feel this was a good decision on DS's part, some
feel it's a little too late, others feel it wasn't such a good idea, and some
feel that it was a bad decision motivated by the almighty dollar, and some don't
think its news at all...This is a public forum you are going to get
different opinions... doesn't mean people are trolling.
The books are dumb anyway.They are 500+ page books that would be 150
pages, if we didn't hear about how perfect Edward is every two seconds.Very slow and way over hyped.
You pointed out that in the book the characters spend the night in bed together
regularly and nothing happens. Sounds like a good reason to re-direct our youth
to something with a better message. How many young women will read this book and
think that they can do the same thing? Dangerous territory, and a good way to
get raped, or be led into intimacy they shouldn't be partaking in. Why Deseret
Book would carry this is the first place is beyond me. Certainly there are more
entertaining and enlightening books out there than this. I love how those of us
with moral values are portrayed as ultra conservative idiots with no life. Well
peace of mind is certainly a nice way to live. So I will remain a prude and
enjoy and better and more fulfilling life. Thanks!
To the 8:35 commentator, Did anyone say that Deseret Book was
responding to complaints about the book? No. The impression I got is that
Deseret Book has decided that having the book on the shelves no longer meats the
criteria for good use of shelf space. Many have taken this as a chance to
began their anti-Mormon diatribes, and release their hate against Sherri Dew
which is pobably more related to her belief that children should be raised by a
mother and a father than anything else. There is a segment of people
who come on these boards who hate anyone who stands up for the family, and their
hateful invective is used in ripping on just about everything. The only
thinkg that surprises me is that so far "Harry Potter" has not been called out.
The later Harry Potter books were too long and poorly edited, and the earliest
ones represented very poor writing, espcially in the development of the
characters in Harry's immediate family.
Has any one read the Book of Mormon? All the killing in that book is horrid. And
yet that book is sold by Deseret book.
I find censorship much more disturbing and disgusting than anything in the
delightful Twilight series. When my former SP asked me why my husband and I left
the Church, I described a feeling that the LDS has been taken over by
control-freak busybodies who seem motivated by paranoia. Here they go again: my
daughters love the Twilight books, which are certainly more wholesome than most
of the stuff out there. But some paranoid finds these books too entertaining,
so they are banned. I refuse to raise my children among such paranoids.
Stop! Please, stop!I can't take anymore. Tears are streaming down
my face.This is the most I've laughed in a couple of weeks.You all are priceless.Ahhh! Refreshing laughter. Nice break.
Yay, Deseret Book!
I am amused at how many people say there is nothing "wrong" or objectionable
with these books. Hello! They are about VAMPIRES! As sick as this world is,
there are people who do consider themselves vampires. A woman here in Phoenix a
couple of years ago was arrested for tying her lover up, slashing him and
drinking his blood, so vampires aren't something you want to glamorize.
For all of you commenting on the books - the author's name is Stephenie with no
"a."Just so you're more informed about the what you are commenting
Why are so many of you surprised that DB would carry this fiction series? Most
of what it carries is fiction in one guise or another.However, for
those who believe in provident living, buying your reading material at DB is
counterproductive to your pocketbook. Shop at Barnes and Noble or another
retailer who sells for less. I'm not suggesting Wal*Mart since any money spent
there costs far more than the actual purchase.
to the 10:42 commentator, It was not in Utah that people burned "Harry
Potter". Also, some of the most harsh attacks on "Twilight" have come from
admitted non-Mormons, who did not say if they lived in Utah or not. I
have to admit I just have never understood Vampire romances at all. However, on
the other hand, I think some people forget that these books are meant to be
FICTION. Sister Meyer does not real believe there are vampires out there, and
if you do believe in vampires who live for ever and such than all I can say is
that I have a world view that does not align with yours.
to the 11:55 commentator, A troll is someone who goes around trying to
provoke anger. The fist comment was clearly made by a troll, and I will place
all comments calling for book burnings in the same category. I
seriously doubt the those who called for burning of books have ever done it, and
strongly suspect that some of them hold the opposite view of what they have
I am an active Mormon woman, and I cannot believe this! Just another case of
taking away our free agency to chose. Someone needs to read the scriptures to
find out why we are here!
I think the fact is the writer is LDS, it was a way to help her get her book
"Out There". The fact is simple, it doesn't need the help, and frankly it isn't
"Deseret Book" material. I think I will raise my son to be a Heavy Metal Rock
Performer, he's LDS will Deseret Book sell his CD's??? NO!!!!!! I wouldn't blame
them! It is a interesting book, and the "Vampire Family" is a nice family, it's
not your normal Vampire story that is for sure. It is funny to see
so many comments over a book sold or not sold at Deseret Book. Can I write a
story about a friendly Frankenstein??? Will Deseret Book Sell it for me,
PLEEEEZZZZZ! I got it, I will write nursery rymes about scary characters, that
should be fun!!!
This discussion needs to be with Ms. Meyers and her agent on whether this book
is on DB shelves or any other shelves. Is that why this is a story? Is it the
agents that want this book on DB display and it is not. Does LDS authorship
gualify a book for DB distribution? As a consumer I have so many places to
obtain access to this book if I so desire that it cannot be storyworthy that I
no longer can purchase this on a reading whim at DB. If I am desperate to only
purchase books from DB I can even order it. Business decisions are made for
many reasons and second guessing those reasons are exactly that second guessing.
The best thing about this LDS author is that she isn't just preying on members
of the church for her livelihood. It is great that people love to read church
themed authors a FEW of which could write and SELL successfully on the open
market IF they wrote something else. This sounds like a moral decision the only
business decision is trying not to alienate my fellow members of the church who
are absolute prudes about this issue. DB would keep raking in the money selling
these books if it was purely business. I don't really buy any LDS themed
FICTION though, but I think Seagull sounds good for the next LDS documentary I
purchase, Wal-mart sells them too.
I personally think Deseret Book pulled the books just so they could read all the
over-reactive comments on this board.
First off I am LDS(open minded). Some of the super strict, close minded mormons
went and complained about the book and that why its been taken off the shelves.
There is too much control and judgement from these "by the book mormons." Live
and let live!!!
There is nothing wrong with the TWILIGHT books. By Des-Book taking them all off
there shelves at their store will only help the author up here sales on more
books. After I bought the last over priced "Joseph Smith book" i am now
permanently, done, forever with this insane store. I have written Des-Book OFF
for the last time! Most everything they have is FICTION or made up. Whatever!
There have been a lot of comments about "saving your money by buying
elsewhere..." Deseret Book will match prices. I have never paid full price for
a book I bought there. I call around, find the best price in town, and take it
to them. Simple as pie.P.S. If people take vampireism to the
extreem, there is something totally wrong with them. I am sure that woman who
tied her husband up and tried to suck his blood didn't do so because of
Stephenie's book... Get Real!
I am in complete agreement with the comment entiled "WOW". Most of you seriously
need a reality check. Bella and Edward have sex AFTER they are married. It is
not explicit or inappropriate in any way. How is this considered "smut" or "soft
porn". I feel that the church needs to teach that sex is a good thing and not a
bad thing. As many others have said, who cares. Go buy the book somewhere else.
I highly reccomend the series.
I am a mother, church member and have read all four books and seen the movie.
Somebody called them "smut". What world are you living in? There is more
"smut" in the halls of the schools than will ever appear in any of Stephenie
Meyer's books. The books are tasteful, romantic and emotonal without being
filthy or pornographic. Educate yourself and don't be so narrow minded. Harry
Potter is violent and gory but his story remains on the shelves, should we flog
JK Rowling, too? I guess it's Deseret Books loss. You had better pull the
Bible, too. There is some "smut" in there...I think her name was Delilah.Chill out and worry about what your kids are saying to eachother on their cell
I hate whiners and neurotic LDS who always find fault with everything, everyone
and something as nice as the Twilight books. Some LDS people need to get over
themselves and stop acting like lamebrains. I'm not shopping Deseret Book ever
My 13 year old - who is an avid reader read these books before I knew anything
about them. The fact that they were written by a Mormon gives a false security.
I wish she hadn't read them. Stephanie Myers wanted to write on the front of
the book that they were for young adults, but the publisher talked her out of
it. These books are definately for mature people, not for young people who are
naive and curious. DB made a value statement by putting these books on order
Thank goodness, now everything is right in the world.Anyway, you've
got to be kidding me!Censorship!
Isn't it wonderful that one of the primary aspects of the Gospel is free agency.
No matter how much Boise Bishop wishes he could influence what his ward reads,
in the end free agency wins out. We have leaders who provide their OPINION and
we are free to take that into account or not. For years I bristled at the
conservative fear mongering of many members. Now it is just an honest form of
entertainment. My testimony remained intact throughout the 70s and 80s despite
the scary warnings of what was on my records if played backwards. My children's
testimony will be fine today even if they read stories about vampires and magic.
It is hard to find someone who was more heavily involved in magic than young
Joseph Smith and his family and I think they turned out okay. Relax folks - or
don't because the uptight evil-is-around-every-corner members actually add a
great deal to my enjoyment and amusement as a member. Carry on!
I'm a mormon teenager and have read the Twilight books. I think Deseret Books is
way too anal. If they're saying that the Twilight Books are inappropiate then
they're also saying that all the mormon people who are reading it are being
disobedient to the church and reading it. I really think they need to get off
their closed minded, anal retentive high horses and find something better to do.
I know someone who dumped her boyfriend because she wanted someone more like
Edward...I find the books kinda lame and boring. And so many of the
girls my age (but especially younger) seem to think that love should be like
that. Um...it's not. When it comes to taking the books off the
shelves of Desert Book: who cares? You can get the book elsewhere. It's a
church bookstore for goodness sake. Just because the author is Mormon doesn't
mean it should be in DB. And no, I'm not being a stuffy Mormon person because I
don't agree with the content. Honestly, I could care less. If you whiners want
your book, then get it at B&N or Borders. Or Walmart.
One of the greatest things about being a Mormon is that I can bash Mormons on
both ends of the spectrum. First off, I'm gonna bet these books were never
intended for missionary purposes. Can you imagine....Mormon: "Hey,
have you read the newest book in the Twilight series?"Non-mormon:
"Yeah. I can't get enough of them.... and the fact that he's a vampire is soooo
cool."Mormon: "Yeah, I know. Speaking of the un-dead.... did you
know Mormons perform baptisms for the dead? Would you like to know more? I can
send a couple of representatives around to talk to you about it."Non-mormon: "Ummmm, are they Mormons or vampires?"Okay, for the
other fanatics who are convinced that reading these books will condemn your soul
to outer darkness because of how graphic they are... read Ether... or the Old
Testament. Let's all lighten up JUST a little bit.
Twilight is pornography for women. My wife was all enthralled in this book and
would stay late reading it. It is not any different than men looking at
pornographic images that satisfy them sexually. Edward was the man women love
and they were fantasizing about him.
READ THE ARTICLE!!!!I am sure sales are slowing down. Good business sense
to pull the series. If you want it, you should buy it at Walmart anyway. TONS
cheaper!Parents are right to be careful what their children read. But we
need also be aware that teenagers feel the things written about in these books.
And not becuse they are bad or going to go get pregnant. Because we are blessed
to have this draw! Sex isn't bad! It just needs to be within the bonds of
matrimony. Hmmmmm... isn't that what the Twilight series talks about?I
have read the books and I am fine if my 3 daughters chose to read them. When
they are old enough.I am so tired of people teaching that sex is evil.
Too many poor young men and women get married and feel dirty!
I love to read anything good I can get my hands on. Good Fantasy is great fun
and what makes it good is the underlying theme to the book. So let's see, in the
Twilight series we have a young girl sexually infatuated with an extremely
lethal man who SLEEPS with her every night WITHOUT doing anything really sexual
and that's supposed to be okay for teenage girls to read? Many lovesick teenage
girls everywhere talk about wanting their own Edward. Then there's
the werewolf friend who is as infatuated with her as she is with Edward, her
father who cheers the werewolf friend on when he abuses her, the complete
pre-occupation with sex -- well, that's about the only normal thing about the
teenagers in this book.Then there are the innumerable flaws in the
writing. This series isn't good Fantasy. When you look at the
underlying theme of the books, well.... Since the comparison has
already been made, Harry Potter is about 3 teenagers using their innate talents
to combat evil. Twilight is about a teenager's sexual preoccupation with an
extremely dangerous older man.I am glad DB pulled the series.
Stephenie, if you are reading this, I'd like to say that your books are
wonderful. The messages of chastity, respect and 'old fashioned' chivalry that
most readers of the Twilight books are taking upon themselves, stand in stark
contrast to the harmful messages that the media are throwing at our young people
today. Thank you for sharing these books with us all. They will always have a
place in my (LDS) home.
Okay.... did the church discuss these books in the last general conference?
Anyone hear any specific mention of the "Twilight" series during any of the
sessions? Okay. So from there we can determine that the "Brethren" haven't made
a specific comment about it. They never said not to read it. They never said TO
read it. As near as I can tell, we each have our agency. Some of us are using it
and justification together and saying it's alright to read because it's not as
bad as some of the books out there. Some of us are using our agency and, hearing
that it's a book involving vampires, have made the decision that it's not in
line with what we believe the church teaches and that there are better books out
there we could be reading instead. Bottom line folks..... you're both right.
SHOCK!!!! Is that possible? What in the world......? I'm sure I'm not gonna go
to hell for reading these books. I'm also sure I'm not going to be exalted for
turning away. Let's all focus on the beam in our own eyes.... forget the motes.
So, if someone watches Transformers and sees Megan Fox and goes home to
fantasize about her, does that make the movie pornographic?? She's a beautiful
girl and many guys get carried away with thoughts about her, but I can hardly
call a movie with transforming robots & exploding action porn. It's the same
deal with Stephenie's books. THEY ARE SO NOT PORNOGRAPHY!!! It's
fun to put yourself into a fanasy world for a while, but we all still live in
the real world. Just because I think (my version of) Edward is a hunk and I
enjoy reading the books doesn't mean that I feel any less towards my husband.
At the end of the night, I'm still totally in love with the man I married.
I'd like to thank Stephanie Meyer for writing "porno for women." I know my
wife's amorous side has perked up since reading them!
I thought the books were a fun read. I am a mother of 4 daughters. ALL of us
have read these books. NO BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!! Like someone said earlier they had
sex AFTER marriage. Get a grip. I have heard that down here in the Houston area
that the books might become required reading. Nothing pornagraphic about these
books. Get a life people! Much more important things to worry about.
Twilight book are GREAT! Some of the people on this blog need to get some
Thank goodness I don't live in Utah where these type of closeminded issues and
decisions reign supreme. I can't imagine living in a world where a staunch
Mormon author who has done more for the church's image in the last 5 years than
anyone except maybe Mitt (depending on your politics) gets her books pulled from
the church's bookstore because they are- what? Sexually explicit? No they are
not! My kids have all read her books, boys and girls, and love them. I hope they
are not going to hell now. - Proud to be a Non-Utah Mormon.
These are books. Good for a read, a little escape from reality, and an
interesting idea. Not the greatest literature, and the movie was poorly made,
but something I enjoyed reading with my niece and nephew.People that
don't like these books probably don't like Harry Potter either.How
can this book be called porn and the Book of Mormon not called a blood and guts
book? Both deal with some dark issues, but neither are wicked books. People that think this book is porn scare me. Do you have cable? Any idea
what your kids watch? Do your sons play world of warcraft or Halo or other
it's porno for women
Thank you marriage first. To me Stephenie Meyer walks on water. All you
puritans are failing to see the deep symbolism in her books - including The
To you Pharisees who have no context of our mortal state, and therefore see
Twilight as a porno, inappropriate book, you scare me. I am LDS and have served
in the church all of my life. There is a constant struggle between the spirit of
the law and the letter of the law. Christ came to disrupt those who focused on
the letter of the law, that's you who have not context and call this book
inappropriate. Get a life and stop sheltering your kids to the point that they
cannot handle themselves in a world anywhere outside of Provo/Orem. You are
doing your kids more harm than you think. Read the books with them and don't
make them think that everything and everyone around them are evil. You don't
have to have all of the control. That's someone else's plan.
I don't usually buy books from DB -- too expensive. I go to Seagull or Amazon
Large NOSTRILS says it all!
The author is Mormon... i HIGHLY doubt that she would write a book that is
inappropriate. Having read the entire series, i found them to be totally
appropriate for anyone over the age of 12. She is sending a lot of great
messages in the books. Im thinking that people should read the books before
they pass judgment. Books shouldnt be banned, responsibility lies with the
parents. I'd let my kids read them and i'm pretty strict.
Well first off I found the books to be very entertaining to read! Thank you
Stephanie Meyer! And to all of the narrow minded by the book mormons who are
ultra conservative, chill out! You don't have to like them or read them but
don't judge or condemn me for my choices! It's crazy! Just leave us alone! This
book talked of nothing but love and respect for the person they loved. In the
book they did NOT have sex till they were married which if I'm right the LDS
church teaches. Also the book taught about true chivalry, true friendship, and
family. The twilight series and movies will ALWAYS have a place in my LDS home
also! And to every person who thinks their teens/children shouldnt read these
books, take a good look at the Harry Potter series- violence, magic, black
magic, murder, killing, romance, magical creatures,and cults. Also looking at
Lord Of The Rings pretty much the same stuff! I'm not saying these series are
bad. Personally I loved both and have and will watch all the movies! Stop being
so judgemental & narrowminded & let us have our free agency!
I have had an amazing time reading ya'lls messages. I think its time to quit
now. GET A LIFE!!!!!!
To all the men/women who are calling this book porn get a grip! I read it and i
still find my husband the best man in the world. And if your wives are
fantisizing about it then their are probably some issues in your marriage that
need to be worked out.... Stop blaming it on the book!
Who asked for your 2 cents worth? I like the Twilight books, and
would advise all women who like good romance novels to go buy the books. Go to
WalMart if needs be. Perhaps Costco or Sams Club, as well may have them. Skip
the Deser-Book trap.... There are many other book stores. Even better you can
buy them online.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints I am a church
attending temple going married woman. I have read the Twilight series and have
absolutly enjoyed all 4 books. I found nothing wrong with them at all. I have
also seen the Twilight movie and am anxiously looking forward to New Moon coming
out in November.. In my eyes I love the story line and I love how well the
novels are wrote... I also like how abstenece is in almost every book... I
liked the books so much I also baught them on CD so that I could listen to them
in the car I listen to them alot... I think that Deseret Book did what they did
for a reason but we do not have any answeres as to why they did what they did, I
also think that if you do not think it is appropriate for your teen to read it
that is your opinion as for myself I find it a good book for my teenage kids...
Our kids are exposed to much harsher realities at school.... Give the books a
Too bad, I'd think they would be honored to have a best-selling LDS author on
the shelf.Does everything at Deseret Book have to be
If anybody thinks the Twilight books are porn, boy do you ever have a warped
mind. I am truly sorry for your mental disturbances, and I have never heard of
such nonsense...and neither have you ever read the books.
Deseret Book owners need to be FIRED and run out of town! This is the lamest
thing that i have read in a long time. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH
ANY OF THE TWILIGHT BOOKS WHATSOEVER!
Agency. I have it. you have it. DB has it. They decided it was in their best
interest not to shelve Twilight. You can still read and buy it.
Just go to another store!! I haven't read the books so I don't know what it's
like, but if you are really that desperate to find the books just go to another
You cannot control the lives of LDS members by pulling a harmless book
(Twilight) from the shelves of a book store because there happen to be a few
"narrow minded" control freaks within the church. Deseret Book is making
themselves look mighty foolish. This stuff doesn't roll over well with LDS
OK so you can still order the book's but you can't buy it off the shelf ?? Very
odd, strange and weird business decision. I really do not care about the series,
since all the series really is, is a cheap re-make rip-off of "Buffy The
Vampire Slayer" in low-ride jeans. But very goofy that you can ORDER the books
but you can't buy them off the shelf? I guess perception is what matters.
I'm with you Deseret Book, I've read them all and they are not for anyone under
16. The problem is that people just assume that because the author is LDS that
the book is for anyone.
All of you who are complaining that this storyline doesn't represent "real love"
are cracking me up. Since when was fiction held to that standard? Cinderella?
Snow White? Jasmine? Ariel? Grease? My Fair Lady? Roman Holiday? Oh, right.
Those are all examples of what real life and love are like.lol
Boy do I agree. The bible is full of more abhorrent things than Twilight. PLEASE.
I think it is very hypocritical on the part of Deseret Book. I once went to a
Desert Book here in Utah and did now know "Forrest Gump" had so many "F" words
and right after buying one at DESERET BOOK in SLC I read the first pages and
went back to the store and complained that they would sell it. They offered to
give me the money back. I refused because I was going to spare someone else from
buying by destroying the stupid thing. I just thought it should not be on the
shelves like Harry Potter, that teaches children to lie and that paganism is
cool. I feel sorry for the heads of Deseret Book. The Church (as in the Prophet
and Apostles, the institution) has better things to think about but the
administration of the store it owns have serious problems. Stephanie Meyers
might be very disappointed and with reason. Hopefully she will understand
because the only losers are the administrators that got offended with whatever
she said or did that they did not like.
For all of you Sisters that think these books can possibly be called porn, I
feel very sorry for your husbands. The church was never meant to be a place to
"narrow" your mind and to be so prudish. Go home tonight and give your husband
the night of his life and stop worrying about nonsense.
No, people don't assume that. Maybe just you made that mistake. My 14 yr old
loved the books and is plenty mature enough for them. We have had good
discussions on them. I am sure that many 14 yr olds are not old enough for
them.Don't make a blanket statement that only applies to you.
So, when Moses held up the symbol of the snake for all to gaze upon, should that
have been left out of the bible because it was an Eqyptian symbol for a god, yet
was meant to represent Christ? How could Moses possibly leave that in for us to
read? How can we have the story of Samson and Delilah or David and Bathsheeba,
or the entire book of Ether in the scriptures? Don't these represent examples
that we do not want our youth to follow? Why do the Gospels mention Jesus
standing up for the prostitute when she was going to be stoned? Doesn't that
show that it is OK to be a prostitute and that you won't be punished? Why do we
have the story of the sons of Jacob raping a prince's daughter in the book of
Genesis? What about the daughter of Herodias's dance? Or the Priests taking the
Lamanite daughters? Let's take these sections "off the shelf" of the scriptures
and off of lds.org. Makes sense, eh?
My wife was much more affectionate to me after reading these books. Does she
have another series coming? These have been great for our marriage.
A book where the main couple wait until marriage to be "close" is refreshing.
She even managed to let them have a child for heaven sakes! Pulling
them all at all stores seems odd. I wonder if they aren't getting a good enough
cut from the sales and special ordering them to keep people happy.More money for Amazon. With more movies set to come out they are about to
loose a lot of cash.
Wow, I am floored. I think that those that would call these books pornography
are the same "Sisters" that won't let their kids read Harry Potter, dress up for
Halloween, or let their daughters go to prom because their 16th birthday is two
days after the dance. Your houses are spotless, your kids, according to you, are
better than anyone else, and you think intimacy is only for when you want to
create a baby. You are uptight and insecure and it all gets put on your husband
"a house divided against itself cannot stand"
at least you're man enough to admit that your wife preferred the book! ... :_)
"a house divided against itself cannot stand"Response:Agreed, but, "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6).
Can't you get a better price at Wal-Mart anyway ?
This is a good move for dozens of reasons.
It's surprising that they're still carrying "The Host." I think of the Twilight
books as PG rated, while "The Host" seemed more PG-13.
I see a lot of people see "nothing wrong" with the books. (I have not read them,
not my type of book)I guess you need to clarify the meaning of
"nothing wrong".My son thinks there is "nothing wrong" with his
girlfriend working at a porn shop. I am disgusted by it. So much
for trying to teach him respect for women. He doesn't see it as being
disrespectful. But that is how our kids are these days. It's just
the times, everyone says. If the world we live in today is "just the times", I
hate to see what our future has in store for us.Also, Costco does
not have the books anymore and they won't order it for me. Who can I complain
All of this nonsense is quite entertaining! I can't believe that you don't
recognize this "pulling" of the Twilight books for what it is...a BIG MARKETING
PLOY! DB and SM agreed to do this to create attention that would make her books
even more popular than they already are! It seems to be working!! You all have
been roped into this charade!!! I love it!
You can see stacks of Harry Potter books for sale in stores and what is the
point if everyone already has them or has read them? These fads run their
course and then it's time to move on.
There is always room for discussion, but for those of us who are members of the
church this discussion really surprises me. Not the topic, but the venom in
some of the comments. We are suppose to love one another, even when we disagree
with each other. Can't we disagree with each other without negative
comments?By the way I couldn't care less if they removed it or not.
No one has asked us as members not to read the book. The book is easily
available, in fact it's probably easier to buy it at the grocery store than to
go to Deseret Book. So there really isn't any censorship
I read the first book and saw the movie...this author plays women, young girls
like a fiddle...you know, clumsy girl who doesn't have any attention in Arizona,
then goes up to the northwest and absolutely every male is in love with
her...and especially the perfect Edward...except for his one flaw. I couldn't
take it any more...the self depreciation went on and on. Also it is rather
depressing when upon leaving the theater, we are faced with the imperfection of
our own beings and those around us.
Lets trust their wisdom.
Harry Potter isn't done yet. There is always increased activity at
each new movie release. If JKR writes another series it will have some interest
again. The same is true for Twilight. We saw this
phenomenon at the library and the bookstores see it as well.The
store doesn't have a moral obligation to sell it off the shelves. They can
always order it. I doubt it's cost effect for the consumer to order it through
them when they get it cheap and immediate some place else.
the twilight series are great books. my now 12 year old grandson read them and
he read them at school. so if he can read them in school why can't deseret book
sell them. personally i hink they made a stupid move but hey like was said there
are other stores that do sell them and sell alot of them
Good. That will save room for real literature.
Thank you Anti-PC! Maybe if kids read something that actually has substance (ie.
defying the illuninachi, bearing a vampire baby, finally tying the knot with
your dreamy(but dead)boyfriend, and becoming wealthy, fabulous, and gorgeous, is
NOT substance!!), they won't turn into the slobering idiots that infest our
schools today. It's called education.
If the twilight books offend you, you live an unstimulating, depressing
existence. It's fluffy reading for corny teens.(All Teens) The good news should
be that your kids are reading. A love for books doesn't always start with the
"Great Gatsby." They'll mature. Offended parents, will you?
hey fantasy reader where in the books did the werewolf abuse bella?
these books are not inappropriate in anyway!! LDS has had many many more books
so much more explicit, its a novel! get over it mormons
LDS history has more VILE garbage in it then the Twilight books could have ever
think of having written in them. Go read Brigham Young.
Twilight should not be at DB Period. It should never have been there in the
first place. I read the first book and didn't enjoy it at all. I am an
elementary librarian and read it to see if it should be a part of my library -
and I knew why not! I just can't understand why a reader would enjoy these
books. With characters like Bella and Edward (perfect vampire with glistening
skin who loves the smell of Bella's blood) why would anyone relate to them? I
loved Harry Potter because of his basic personality and ability to love. There
are so many better choices to make on which books to read. No child should be
allowed to read these books and they are definitely not a books that should have
ever been at Deseret Book Store!
Wow...it's just a book people. Go buy it somewhere else. Don't all
of you Mormon women have anything better to do? Are your lives SO boring that
your whole life is destroyed because your precious bookstore won't sell vampire
books? Don't you realize that the rest of the world laughs at you because
you've got so little to think about other than babies and church callings that
you argue about a teen book being sold in a church book store? There are WAY
more important things you could be discussing right now.Oh and I an
LDS woman too. But I'm Mormon because I believe in the gospel, not because I
enjoy the company of Mormon women. It's sad to me that you all bicker about
pointless things like 14 year old girls. Grow up and get a hobby or something.
I think the phrase is "A George divided against itself cannot stand."
I would never join a church who has people who try to CONTROL the lives of
others. You people are something else.I read all the twilight books and
there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of them. However, I CANNOT say the
same thing for some of the neurotic LDS members.
Stephanie Meyer went to BYU and is a LDS member if I am correct. So if she is
still a LDS member then she would most probably paying her 10% tithings would
she not. I don't hear one word about the Church getting money from Steph for the
sale of her books. Get a life guys and pull your LDS heads out of the Utah sand
for once. Just because there are a few LDS members in Utah who are jumping up
and down over these books they don't like. I bet the one's who don't like the
books are the one's who went out and purchased the Returned Missionaries
I can tell you all that I am one of I don't know how many who sent letters to
Deseret Book saying we didn't think they should sell the Twilight Boooks.These books are sensual. If you don't think so, you have been watching too
many pg-13 movies.Would any of you want your 14 year old doing the same
things that happen in the Twilight books?Because even 12 year olds are
enjoying these books and getting hooked on them. They will think that it is ok
to lay around with your boyfriend doing the things that happen in the book. We
are giving our young women the information that it is ok...and if she slips and
actually goes all the way, how will you feel.
I agree with Mormon Woman
Re: Anita high and mighty.....However, it's ok for you as long as
you say so-huh? It seems to me from reading the news lately that our schools are
more unsafe, run by sex perverts, child molesters and murderers rather then that
of a simple fairytale book called Twilight. Maybe you had better work on
cleaning up the minds of your staff members at school rather then ridding a
fairytale book from your silly shelves.
Which Mormon woman are you talking about? We are not all wackos like those who
whine about (TWILIGHT BOOKS) Some of you need to to get some good mental help,
or get off your DRUGS!
There is a divide in the church. Group A - Staunch, strict,
judgmental, ultra conservtive.Group B - Open minded, accepting,
liberal.In my opinion Group A gives the church a bad name and makes
group B annoyed and less involved in church activities/meetings. I
meet people from all over the World weekly and I'm always asked if I'm Mormon. I
have to give a detailed response to disassociate myself from group A because I
don't share the same views as they do.This divide is growing. Anyone
else have thoughts?
Re: 11:32, A BIG "DITTO" ON THAT. I totally agree with you. I am also from the
"B" group and happily so. It is much better to have an open mind and not go
around shunning and judging others. There are too many pompous LDS who have
nothing better to do then to be arrogant about absolutely nothing.I
enjoyed reading the Twilight books, and I think it was wrong for Des-Book to
take them off their shelves.
I have the same problem! It is so hard to continually try to disassociate
myself from the Group A people. There are plenty of Group B people, but they
don't like to make themselves found at church activities. Makes life harder for
them to be known as Group B'ers among the Group A'ers.I think that
the divide is growing. Although it is possible that is only seems that way
because these days with message boards and things people actually get their
opinions out in the open rather than keep them to themselves. Even 20 years ago
there weren't as many ways for Mormons to discuss these kinds of things out in
the open like this. Perhaps there has always been a huge divide, but it just
seems larger because Group B is finally coming out of the woodwork.
Yeah, it's time to crawl out of the closet and smell the roses. It all makes for
a much more emotionally stable and happier Mormon.
Group A feels they are the only "true" believers. They think they are the
righteous and legitimate members of the Church. But they are today's Pharisees.
We in Group B need to speak up. We must follow directly and carefully in the
footsteps of Jesus Himself. He condemned the Scribes and Pharisees as
hypocrites. Those accusations apply today to Group A. Jesus condemned the
fanatical, extreme, detailed "letter of the law" zealots who set themselves up
as more righteous than others. Jesus criticized those who do their alms
(worship) in public (showing off in the Wards). Jesus disapproved of those who
make pretentious, flowery prayers and talks (showing off). Jesus condemned
those who brag about their fasting, temple attendance, and all the righteous
things they do. Jesus censured those who display their riches (blessings) in
fancy clothes, cars, and homes. Jesus said, Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto
them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. We need to do
Shirley, I am sure you have your beliefs, but it is a self-righteous act to
write DB and ask them to pull a young adult book from the shelves. This is your
OPINION. Believe it or not, people have a different opinion than you and we
should not suffer the consequences of your "feelings". I am sure we have more in
common than not, but you may be surprised to find a majority of members
disagreeing with you on this. Not whether the book should be pulled even, but
that you should have any influence on it. We make our own decisions in
parenting. Thank goodness. We can disagree, but you don't need to try and affect
good members of the church who happen to parent differently than you. I'm not
trying to change your opinion of the book, just don't write letters to make a
change to something that affects good members. You are probably on the far end
of the "conservative" spectrum (speaking fundamentally and not politically) of
church members and you don't realize it. The Savior was much more "moderate"
than you may think.
AMEN TO..GROUP(B) 12:40, 12:33, 11:58, 11:57, 1132, 10:23. A much better LDS
church and world with those who think as you do.Um, maybe there
should be church on TV now for those of us who feel uncomfortable around the
totally superior, holier than great ones at church. Just an idea.
To YES YES YES!No! No! No!You don't get it.Putting church on TV "for those of us who feel uncomfortable around the
totally superior, holier than great ones at church" is exclusionary, elitist (in
its own way), and partakes of the spirit of Group A.In Group B, we
are "familiar with all and free with our substance." We judge righteous judgment
rather than condemn people because they don't conform to the outward appearances
of the Group A holier-than-thou marathon. Like Jesus, we associate freely with
others regardless of their "worthiness". This includes the Latter-day Pharisees
(Group A) as well as all the "sinners" who are rejected by Group A.
You're joking right? LOL!All I have to say is, I certainly hope that
DB has pulled these for financial reasons and not because they were deemed
"inappropriate." I really, really hope.
I am definitely a Group B Mormon and have learned to find a great deal of humor
and enjoyment out of watching and listening to Group A's rather than bristling
from their close-mindedness and predictions that satan can be found around every
corner. I have even learned to tactfully speak up in church to add balance and
reason to the fundamentalism of Group A. It has proudly placed me on the
do-not-call-to-gospel-doctrine-teacher list but it has also made church
attendance immensely more enjoyable. I think there is also a Group C - those
members who don't really care at all and could not even tell you why they still
attend. At least A's and B's have passion about the Gospel even if expressed in
a conservative versus liberal way.
My wife and I have read all three of these books, and then decided it really
wasn't something we wanted in our home so we're giving our copy of the first one
away. I have young daughters, and while this book is tame compared to others
that are available, it's still not something I'd want my daughters reading. The
main character obsesses about sex, has her boyfriend sneaking into her room to
sleep (with clothes on) with her all night, and jokes with her in-laws about how
they smash up furniture during their sexual romps. So many young girls obsess
over the romantic nature of this book, but whether they actually have sex or not
before their marriage, it still focuses on physical romance. That's not what I
want my girls to think love is!So I think it's good it's pulled from
Deseret Book. You can still buy it somewhere else, so don't raise the censorship
flag. But it doesn't belong in an LDS bookstore.
It kinda looks like you need to practice what you preach on here. I find this
whole A B C a mass of confusion within the Mormon church. You people don't know
whats up or down.. Ha ha! Maybe you all need to learn your ABC before you go
around judging other humans.There are NO superior people on this
Well RICK belongs in the A group, and I really dislike penguins, puffer frogs,
The B group is judging the A group, so I don't want any part of either of those.
I will be a "C" group Mormon!And I will read whatever books I want
Did any of you happen to see that even though Deseret Book will not be putting
these books of the shelves, you can still buy them as a special order!!! Seems
to me like they still want the money from sales, put they don't want to promote
the book by putting it out for the public. I don't care wether they sale these
books or not, but I am disapointed in Ms. Dew for allowing this to happen.
One thing you have to remember is that we all have an opinion, and we are
negligent if we do not express it! Things in our country right now are going on
that will lead us to tyranny if we don't stand up and support our love of
country. This I say as an example of needing to express our opinion. I have a
niece who, when we talked about the Twilight books, thought they must be ok
because Deseret Book sells them. I have NO control over what Deseret Book does.
It was their choice. You could have sent them a letter telling them how much
you love the Twilight books and were glad they sell them. That would have been
your choice. The young people of the church are becoming more blind to the
evils in the world as years progress and it's time we go back to our roots and
cherish virtue and anything praiseworthy! My advice to you is to voice your
opinion, but first, examine it. IF these books encourage young women to be in
questionable situations with young men, it is not of God. I bear you no ill
Only a real loser could pick the Twilight books to pieces, and probably someone
with the mentally of a slug that has been infected with a parasite.
I can't believe that this is such a hugh deal. if you don't like the books or
feel it is "BAAAAAAD" for you or your kids to read then don't read it. For
myself I loved the books and I read them all more then once. My daughter and one
of my sons read it. I live in a house of teenages and early 20's and all of the
selfisness and lies are all here, if you think that teens would never act this
way or what a bad example honestly stop fooling yourself, did you all forget
what you were like as a teen in love and what you did or didn't do. Remember this story is fiction, IF DB wants them off the shelf then so be it,
there is a time and season and this is last years style. Stephanie Way to go I
loved reading your books including the Host. I wish she would publish "Midnight
Sun". And by reading Her books just reminded me that I married my "Edward"
sometimes it is to easy to forget that
As a life long member, it has never occurred to me to place people I have met in
the church into such nice little boxes like "Group A" and "Group B". Honestly,
I find people a little more complicated than that and much more interesting once
I get to know them better. How interesting you seem to think that everyone is
in either one or the other group -- of your own making, I might add. If there
is a divide, it appears to be more within some of your own hearts. You cant
live and let live. I couldn't care less if youre more traditional in your views
or more liberal. I take what is good about a person and ignore (or at least try
to ignore) their follies and weaknesses and hope they do the same for me. Word
of unsolicited advice: to those who are so ready to place people in groups --
including themselves -- "If ye are not one, ye are not mine."
Lets keep blind folds over all the kids eyes. That is what the church is about.
No free will, and be sure and take it away from them before they have chance to
experience life on their own. Sooner or later they will see through all of you.
For All those who believe this had innappropriate content and should not have
been sold in DB in the first place. I have personally bought explicit romance
novels from the DB shelves So if thats what your worried about you got rid of
the wrong books. But Like everyone has said the Twilight saga has been around
for quite sometime and it is time to move on to other interesting books. There
are plenty out there.
There are many groups of LDS members within the Mormon church. There are those
who pretend about everything they do, and those who wonder what the heck they
are doing and what is truly going on? There are some members who are big
emotional vampires, and space cadets who scare the ever living daylights right
out of me. This kind of members are much worse than the Twilight books. They
drain the spirit right out of me. I cannot afford to be drained every Sunday of
this absurd behavior.
First we abhor, then we accept, then we embrace.
There is nothing immoral in these books. Sexual desire is a God given gift to
be used within marriage. These books are very clear about that. I'm thrilled
that this message is being read by millions of young girls all over the world.
If he truly loves you, he will protect your virtue and wait until you're
married. Grow up people, sex is a part of a normal, loving marriage. Self
control is vital before marriage, whether you're a vampire or not!!! It
You say "Live and let live"? This story is written because someone didnt live
and let live. Certain people went to DB and complained. Thats not letting others
live and make choices. You say I'm Grouping people? This is a
message board and I made a QUICK generalized point about what I have observed.
Its the truth. I also see the good in others and strive to be like the
savior. Lastly to your judging and condemning comment, I'll quote
you...(Word of unsolicited advice: to those who are so ready to
place people in groups -- including themselves -- "If ye are not one, ye are not
mine.") Thanks for proving my point!.
How in the world did this get into the news at all?An owner of a store
should be allowed the choice as to what they will and will not sell. Those stores are only so big...and there are good books, better books and best
books...and perhaps they would rather use the room for what they consider the
best books...which is what I would expect from the Church of Jesus Christ.I admire them for the bar they raise.
TO: 7:32 p. m. OOOOOOOOOOOOH, PUULLLEEEAAASSSSSEEEEEE!!! spare us all the
malarkey! Get down on off your rocking horse and grow up.
Sounds like group B is a tinsey bit self righteous.
Nice attempt at salvaging your image. As for helping you to prove your point
--- come again? What point is that? That you yourself placed your fellow
members into nice little boxes and then chaff at my suggestion its not a wise
thing to do? As for - "If ye are not one, ye are not mine." It was an
appropriate comment considering the division your original post attempted to
create. Please stop trying to rewrite what you wrote the first time. It was
very easy to understand. I challenge you to stop with the "us vs. them"
attitude and the next time you find yourself placing people into categories,
just stop. It says more about you than it does about anyone else. If this is
REALLY about live and let live are you not able to purchase the book elsewhere?
Then how has this decision stopped ANYONE from living? Much ado about nothing
strife created unnecessarily which will not effect the decision of DB at all.
No amount of reposting changes the content of the original post. I stand by my
original comments. Oh, and Ill be sitting next to you in church on Sunday. See
Sounds like group A is quite Judgmental of group B and very much enjoys
gossiping, whining and making up lies about their normal sisters and brothers.
It makes them feel powerful to manipulate the truth.Group A are
picking on the Twilight books now out of jealously. Some are sorry that they
don't get the gold from it's high book sales. Pick, pick, pick-- haven't YOU
anything better to do?
this isn't the first time that db has done something like this and it won't be
I agree with 7:32 p.m. After reading this whole blog I would have to say that
group B seems like they are the only ones on track. Group A needs to repent.
Group A = Root BeerGroup B = Diet Coke
No way! You are dead WRONG! 12:03--- The 'A' group are the ones who SNEAK around
to have their caffeine drinks and cokes, and then they act all pious about
it....I have seen this happen many times with my own eyes. The 'B' group on the
other hand are openly guzzlers of Red Bull and other energy drinks, and are
proud of it and do not care what others may think or say about them. They are
also use to the 'A' group gossiping and spreading stuff around the ward about
them....so what the heck.
What is it exactly that makes this series so appealing to some and yet so
appauling to others? Everyone will need to answer this question for
themselves.It may be just a story but the message is much more than
that. It appeals to women of all ages and nationalities.Deseret
Book is a "for profit" book store. If this were a religious battle, do you
really think they would offer to place orders for you? duh....
I'll bet "the church" is more than willing to take her 10%, no questions
Just because some people don't like the books,does not mean they sould take the
choise from the rest of us that like to shop at Deseret Books. Twilight is one
of the few books in this world that you can get romance, adventure, suspence and
action, and still have it be clean. It is just a story nothing to get worked up
over. Im LDS and can't wait to read it with my daughter.
pushy, know it all ~A~ group.
Do mormons hold sacredness to twilight just as they do the bom? Better of
sticking to the bible, it will get you to where you are yearning. You need to
leave the other hoodoo-voodoo alone; look at what these books and the attitudes
they create do to yourselves and your culture.
I loved the Twilight books. I cannot understand what all the fuss is over with
the Deseret Book store!??! Someone needs to get a grip on reality and leave this
BOOK ALONE!. This is so dumb and too lame. I think I am with the -B-team of
people on this post.
The shopper quoted in the article names 'depth' along with 'sadistic' and 'evil'
as qualities that might get a book labelled objectionable. Is this what LDS
readers have come to? Or just Deseret Book? What an impoverished culture.
Banning this book from Deseret Book store shelves is down right STUPID and
BIGOTED! I cannot stand some of the people here in this state, and the state
that i happen to be born in. This just totally blows me away completely, and i
find it all down right ridiculous and unintelligent! Shame on DB store. I will
take my business else where. I hate finger pointers and pin the name on someone
who has done nothing wrong..shame, shame, shame!
Deseret Book has been doing this for YEARS! If you have been shopping there and
not paying attention, shame on YOU.
I agree with TOTALLY DUMB. This is quite absurd behavior with decent books like
the twilight series. However, I am not in the least bit surprised though with
the way they run that rinky-dink store. Maybe they will do us all a great favor
and go out of business. The economy is calling Deseret book--- Please! there is
no store, there is no store- Repeat after me, there is no store, there is no
I have told many members of the church that although the books are popular they
are also against what we as LDS members stand for. Such as Edward sneaking in
Bella's room every night and being in her bed one night, plus she doesn't even
think about god in this book only about living her hole eternity as a walking
corps for teenage love. Is that really what we want our teenagers thinking
about. Deseret Books are suppose to be a pure and healthy minded book stores so
let the other book stores sell her books. So I'm glad they got pulled off the
Deseret shelfs, although I think there fine for other stores as long as parents
know what their children are reading. My children can read them in college when
there old enough to know what their reading and if it's something they want to
I can't believe what I read! A missionary using Twilight as a missionary tool!
I stopped reading the last novel because it was against everything we as LDS
members stand for. And those who think otherwise get out your Book of Mormon and
read it! As for Deseret Books SHAME on you! You need to read the books before
you put them out. As for those who are reading this that aren't LDS please
understand that Deseret Books is a Mormon Book store and does have books that
define who we are just like a Catholic or Christian Book store. The Church
doesn't need the money from the sales of this book so let another book store
have it. And another thing just because a Mormon wrote something doesn't make it
a Mormon book. If a Mormon jumped off a bridge does it make it alright for the
rest of us to do the same??? Have a thought man!!!!
Lisa: deseret book pulled twilight but kept the host. that doesn't make any
sense. deseret book sells books by non-lds authors too. but the point is that it
is just a story not real life. point made: it is just a story. db
pulled harry potter too but its still on their shelves.
You wrote (I stopped reading the last novel because it was against everything we
as LDS members stand for. And those who think otherwise get out your Book of
Mormon and read it!) Please don't condemn or judge good people who
happen to enjoy the books. Who do you think you are? I and many others are LDS
and do not support your views on the book and condemning others for their
choices. I'll leave that to the lord!
I can't believe they're pulling Twilight from the shelves at Deseret Book! Harry Potter is 100 times worse and goes into much darker stuff. It
also uses profanity, and I still can walk into a Deseret Book and find all those
books on the shelf. I think Deseret Book is being hypocritical by
making this decision. I think they are alienating an important part of their
customer base that would otherwise buy the book from their store. Why in the world is someone going to "special order" the book, wait weeks for
it, and then go to the store and pick it up when they can walk into another
bookstore, take a copy off the shelf, pay for it, and take it home and read it
right then?To me, Deseret Book is a solidly run bookstore--they just
make some really off the wall decisions that are hard to understand--this is a
good example of one.
LOL anonymous at 7:26 (or maybe 8:26 depending on time zone) "all about natural
desires even if you are a vampire." funny!!
My daughter has read all the books.Inappropriate?maybe.Will kids read them anyway? it's called the school library
and movie theaters and what their friends talk about at school and the
Internet.Banning books has been successful how many times in
history?good luck banning books. get a grip people, for
all you telling Deseret book that you like their stance, take this, come the
second movie, the books will be flying out of Deseret Book as if they were the
last installment of Harry Potter.
Banning books only makes the young girls more curious about them. Nobody likes
being chained up so they have no free will. Most probably these books will
continue to grow in popularity.
Oh, please. Did anybody actually READ the article? They stated quite plainly
that the reason they're pulling it off the shelves is because it got mixed
reviews. The books with lower customer ratings get pulled, while the books with
higher ratings stay. That's all there is to it. Nobody's banning books, and
nobody's trying to hide them from anybody. They're just not selling them because
the reviews have been lower than other books.
I love these Twilight books. This is totally insanity to pull these books from
D-Book shelves. Somebody must be a little jealous of romance and apparently has
none. I have seen much lower book sales and books that were never pulled from
the shelves. There are books at D-Book that I would not pay a dime for. Oh,
well, on to another store. Have a happy day everybody!
Sarah Nichole: mixed reviews from WHO????? Oh wait, not the critics . . .hmmm.
.who could it be . .let me think . .maybe . . .SATAN??? Every book out there
has "mixed reviews." No Sarah, the "reviews" came from the Uber-Mormon crowd who
think anything other than L.M. Montgomery and John Bytheway is porn. This is
the same Uber-Mormon set who lecture those of us "Non-Uber's" about how satanic
Harry Potter is, and how listening to any popular music aside from Jenny Jordan
Frogley is sinful. So, thanks for the brilliant defense of Deseret Book's
wilting under pressure as being due to "mixed reviews." Laughable.
Brothers and sisters, can`t we really find something more uplifting to read? We
have the holy scriptures, and sage advice in the form of books written by the
Brethren, both past and present. The Church puts out many publications and
magazines that are quite edifying. Should we really be spending our time
reading these books that are possibly promoting questionable values? Remember
that we have been counseled "to avoid even the appearance of evil."
Brothers and Sisters, Valient proves the point so many have been making . .
.that being . . . .anything other than "church approved" material is bad in the
minds of some members, inculding "Valient." In general, most of the material
the Church puts out, other than the straight forward doctrinal issues and talks
from general conference, is diabetic coma inducing sugary sweetness. The kind
of nauseating over-acting and poorly written treacle that would make Little
House on the Prarie, (even the season where the older sister goes blind), seem
like Masterpiece Theater. Secondly, how are they promoting
"questionable values?" Maybe outside of Utah County they contain "questionable
values," but in the rest of the general church populace, not so much. The books
have kissing scenes, and as I'm told, Utah County prohibits those activities
within 20 miles of the BYU campus. So, thanks for the appeal to moral
superiority Valient, but I'll take well written stories that promote courage,
friendship and true love over the saccarine fiesta that is mainstream LDS
I'm guessing this discussion is long since ended, but I have to say that the
reason it has become such a big deal is because those who love the books have
had to stop and think about whether these books were appropriate reading
material for someone who confesses a belief in Jesus Christ and his church.
They don't want to think that something they have enjoyed so much could possibly
fit into an "I shouldn't have read that" category.
As a reader of the books, I found them entertaining fictional books that you
would read by the fire on a cold winters day when you wanted something relaxing
and "brain dead" to do. We all need time out occassionally to jus relax. (Not
too much time out of course.)My only comment on this matter would be that
if the books have been taken out of the stores because of the moral issues, then
shouldn't the on-line option also be done away with?To my mind there are
surely some uplifting books that could fill the shelves of the Deseret
Bookstores. What about another series along the lines of Gerald Lunds "The
Work and the Glory."In the mean time - keep writing Stephanie - you
obviously have talent. I must confess that I only read you books because you
are a member who has made it to some degree in the literary world. Well done.
I think the big concern is that parents of very young girls are fooled into
thinking that because the books are written by an LDS author, they are totally
acceptable for all ages.. NOT SO! I agree that the 1st 2 books were quite mild
but the last 2 where she is constantly trying to seduce him and then reading of
their bed antics as a married couple is totally innappropriate for YW and pre
teen girls who are trying to live the new value of VIRTUE which has been added
to the YW theme. Deseret needs to set the higher standard which I am glad they
Yes Shirley . . "Would Jesus Read Twilight?" should be a new bumper sticker.
I'm sure every Member who has read these books, is now struck with fear that the
Celestial Kingdom is now even further away from their grasp. I just know in my
heart the line outside Bishops offices statewide, nay, world wide, has been huge
since DB pulled the books. All of those Members racked with guilt. They've
also thrown their Diet Coke's away, and refused to watch Oprah. Shame on us
My mother works for Des Book in Salt Lake and she told me that Church leaders
gave the order to pull the books because of the link between the LDS Church
prophet Joseph Smith and witchcraft and to tell the public that the books
weren't selling--when in fact they were the best selling book series Des Book
have.What a shame--our history seems to get in our way at every turn.
I am 27 and have read all of the Twilight books. I typically don't like scary
stuff, but I thoroughly enjoyed these books. They are written for young ADULTS
(it's plainly written on the book). Young adults does not mean teenagers to me
and I wouldn't have been comfortable reading them as a teenager but that's just
me. As an adult, I found them very entertaining fictional novels from which I
even got a good message. I think if you're expecting or looking for "evil" in
the world you can just about find it in everything and everywhere. You can also
find good in most places if you're looking (not to be deceived, but being
optimistic). It's clear these books are fictional novels and written for young
adults (not teens). As for DB, they're a business and it seems to me that most
of you are reading a lot more craziness, conspiracy, conservativism into a
common sense move. The book doesn't need to be on the shelf there anymore.
It's a small store, go to Wal-mart to buy it.
Must be a slow news week.
>There is really nothing deep...in it Maybe that's the reason. It's
why it's not in my house, anyway.
Actually, young adult does mean teenager in the publishing world. However, you
should still feel welcome to read them. :)
If this story is months old (and very much beaten to death), why is it cropping
up in Recent Comments?
Some of you people that are calling "Twilight" smut should take a look at
another book many of you should have in your homes - The Bible.Whoredoms, wars, murders... makes "Twilight" seem kind of tame in comparison.
I am wondering why you have pulled this book while Glenn Beck remains
prominently displayed in your stores. Companies like Geico, State Farm, Radio
Shack, Mens Warehouse etcetra, etcetra, etcetra have refused to advertise on his
show, have pulled their dollars from his vitriolic television show and Deseret
Book continues to back him. Is Geico more particular than Deseret? Is a silly
novel about a vampire more offensive than a political hack who calls the
President of the United States a racist and compares him to Hitler. I see that
he has a new book coming to your stores in September entitled Arguing With
Idiots. This takes my breath away. The idiots he is referring to are
democrats. If I am not mistaken that is more than half the population of the
country, including myself, a democrat and a very active Mormon. I am hoping
that you will rethink this. I understand selling his conversion stories but not
his opinions. Shame on you! And yes, I would like a response. This is the only
place on your website I cout find to comment.
Wouldn't it be nice if being a BYU grad automatically meant your book should be
sold by Deseret Book. If that were the case maybe my book would make some
money. I personally don't think Vampires are a wholesome theme for
Deseret Book anyway--maybe for a Halloween costume.
What does "mixed reviews" mean exactly to Deseret Book? Is that a 50/50 mixture?
Does it just mean a significant amount of reviewers feel guilty after reading
it? Or that reviewers have decided that little children shouldn't be exposed to
it? I'm not clear.
I think you should remove Glen Beck's books immediately. How can the Church
support someone who goes on air supporting murdering our President? Is he
really a member of the Church?
I agree with Glen Beck's books being removed. He's a disgrace.