Former v.p. engages in brief discussion on global warming while in Salt Lake
to get his "message" out to all of us members at one time.
what a waste of time this story was, didn't say anything.
Ok, let's pretend for a second that you're right and the scientists are wrong.
You win: there is no such thing as global warming.Even if that's
true, why would you be so upset at what the global warming activists are pushing
for? They want less pollution, more greenery, and more open space. Global
warming or no global warming, those are all good things. Unless you enjoy
things like smog and inversion, that is, which I'm guessing you don't. So what
is there to get so angry about?
These are all great men. I'm sure they're having an important meeting.
Very interesting. The First Presidency will be very polite, cordial, kind and
warm. They'll listen to what he has to say and that will probably be it. No amount of lobbying on Gore's part will affect whatever position the
Church takes on anything. The Church will set it's own position on any issue
that it deems important to set a position on. That's it...plain and
So will Al Gore fly into SLC on a private jet and out on the same? At what cost
of fossil fuels and cost to the environment?
Ponder this, Al Gore requests a meeting with the First Presidency but ignores
his fellow climate-control advocate, Governor Huntsman. That's odd!
This is a tough crowd of readers ! LOL
That's cool, I like Mr. Gore and the fact that he cares about the Earth, most
people close their eyes about Global Warming and what it's doing.And it looks
like "Cry Repentance" falls into that catagory cause Al Gore isn't misleading
anybody about Global Warming, IT'S REAL!!!! And I think it's great that he wants
to meet with the First Presidency.
Their messages are not too different: the world will be destroyed if we don't
change the way we live.
These comments are incredible. Way to go people. Way to go. You show him...
He's a child of God, too.....
Christ died on the cross taught us you will suffer for teaching truth. People
will mock you. It was Christ wh0o said be like the child. A child hasn't been
corrupted by greed. You are a great American and a positive role
model for kids. I know, with your wealth, you could hang out doing anything you
want. You put telling the truth above personal just like I expect from a son of
a senator who made the choice to serve in the army in Vietnam when others went
AWOL from the national guard or used there family's wealth to get deferments.
Maybe someone told him about the welfare system of the church.Be a good
time to learn about food storage, self reliance, etc.For all of us,
Well, it should prove to be a compelling meeting. I'm just thrilled to have such
big name people to my lil' ole' Utah. Fer heck sake.
Thankfully, the above Desnews bloggers will not be the ones who meet with the
former VP. The First Presidency has much more intelligence, charity, class and
Is this the same Al Gore who killed half of the Tennessee forest to build a wrap
around log porch on his incredibly expensive electric mansion?
the climate here in Vernal is just too cold for my liking. If we warmed it up a
bit, I might can grow items from the seed catalog in "Zone 5" as opposed to
To all the Global Warming Zealots, the question isn't whether Global Warming is
real. It is (at least in the last few years). The question is whether man did
anything to contribute to it and whether man can do anything to stop it.Clearly, not polluting and not wasting energy are good things regardless
of global warming. What isn't good is creating a new world order and spending
billions of dollars to combat something that we probably have no control over at
the expense of other things than we can control (i.e., feeding the hungry,
clothing the naked).
Al Gore kept his lights on during earth hour last Saturday night. I thought he
was big on global warning. He does not practice what he preaches
That is all I have to say...
I think some church members thinks that you need to be a Replibucan to be saved.
I think they are confused? Pleassssse try to be a little bit more open-minded.
Yeah Global Warming is real alright, it's caused by the sun's galatic rays and
how they interact with cloud formations. NOT CO2. CO2 is not a driver in
climate, clouds are and the types of clouds that form determine our climate
along with orbital rotations and the earths axis. CO2 rises and falls with
temperature, it doesn't cause the temperature to rise or fall, just the
I can't stand Gore because of his arrogant attitude during the promoting of his
film. I also am disgusted that he won the Peace Prize instead of the woman who
smuggled jewish children out of the ghetto's during WWII. He won because he put
together a power point?!!!
Totally agree with "Here's Why I'm Angry". It's another way government takes
from the masses. I went out a long time ago and bought the good old regular
light bulbs - my 2 year supply! Right back at you - put that in your global
warming pipe and smoke it Al Gore!!
These comments are what brings me back here. There's not another group of
readers like you all. Congrats.
Gore... Gore... Hey! Isn't that the guy that invented the internet?
..the reason that the World War II holocaust woman didn't get a Nobel Prize for
things she did in the 1940s was because Al Gore put together a documentary in
the 2000s. No other intervening events there, just her and Al Gore.
Who would have known that the Des News forums had so many experts that could set
us all straight on the farce/conspiracy that is Global Warming!!Maybe you should all get together and publish your findings in peer-reviewed
scientific journals to counter the ever increasing consensus that Global Warming
is indeed happening, and we (humans) are having an impact.Can't
Al Gore is a great man performing an important service for the well being of all
the people of the world. He is like mother Teresa giving of himselve.
We believe in being honest, true...and doing good to all men (This includes
Gore)... Admonition of Paul...If there is anything praiseworthy or of good
report..We seek after these things.Love your neighbour..Isnt the
environment our neighbour? We should respect it too.
Mr Gore,Welcome to Utah. Many of our brothers and sisters, children,
and parents have fought hard for this country. You will find people from all
walks of life and all types of backgrounds. The large majority care about their
friends, neighbors, country, leaders, and the earth. We have some of the best
God created earth in the world. I hope you enjoy your visit.
Seems to me that on concept the church should be in complete agreement with Mr
Gore. Don't LDS also believe in taking care of God's earth? What I don't
understand is why does the church not say more and encourage it's members to be
more 'green'. How much will be said in conference this weekend about members
trying to be environmentaly friendly. Hmmm?
maybe this will help some mormon utahns get over themselves and realize that
what gore teaches about the earth DOES correspond with what's in the D&C. the
whole concept of "be good to the earth and it will be good to you" or "multiply
and REPLENISH the earth." sound familiar? once again, we are reminded (as
stated in the article) that political parties and religions are SEPARATE. just
cuz you're christian doesn't mean your republican.i am suprised that
mormons are NOT leading the whole "save the earth" movement that is going on
right now. after all, it IS Gods gift to us. isn't it just, maybe, sorta,
kinda, our responsibility to treat is as such?
It is nice that Gore will meet with the LDS first presidency.
Multiplying and replenish the earth goes against the Green Movement. One of the
top scientific advisors in Obama's said the earth was over populated. So no
Gore did not technically win an Oscar. The documentary filmmaker won the award;
Gore just took credit for it. Just checking your facts for you, Lisa.
The earth is our stewardship. That is taught in Mormon doctrine. What I
disagree with is the unspoken message that mankind is essentially aparasite on
earth.The earth was made for us and we are commanded to take care of
it and use it with wisdom, not apology.Could we cut down on our
consumerism? Absolutely. Would the earth be cared for better if we did?
Absolutely. Nevertheless, I do not feel that Al Gore has done a
whole lot of good. Nothing he said outweighs what I have been taught for 40
years anyway.And really, some of these comments are just
Even Temple Square turned off unnecessary lights last week during the "Earth
Hour".What is wrong with turning off lights, combining errands in
the car, mass transit etc.I don't understand all the bitter
According to the scriptures, all of the animals, including man, were told to
"multiply" within their spheres. Only man was made steward over the whole earth
and told to "replenish" it. "Replenish" means to put back into it what we take
out - to fix it up - to make it whole. If all man does is multiply, then he's
just another animal. It's only when he takes care of the planet (or talent, if
you will), and returns it to its rightful owner better for his having had it,
that he is better than the other creatures. If he doesn't - if he just
continues to "break it in" and "wear it out," then he (we) will have to answer
for being "a slothful servant."
whats wrong with Gore wanting to talk to the church? and whats wrong with the
church listening? i think its great. We should treat the earth better and LDS
people should know that, being that we believe its a creation and blessing of
our savior. Gore maybe knows that and would like to increase our efforts in
these areas. that would be a good thing i think. nothing wrong with being more
aware and less wasteful.
Jeanie b.,"The earth is our stewardship. That is taught in Mormon
doctrine. What I disagree with is the unspoken message that mankind is
essentially aparasite on earth."The word "parasite" has neither a
negative or a positive connotation. A parasite and its host are involved in a
symbiotic relation. By definition we are a parasite and the earth is our host.
The LDS Church teaches that all living things including the earth have souls and
that the earth and mankind are formed from eternal intelligences and that all of
us have spirits which were spiritually created before being temporally created.
That includes the earth. The spirit and body are a soul and all living things
including the earth have a soul.We are commanded to take care of the
earth because our Heavenly Father knows that the earth grieves when we hurt her
unnecessarily and she is making a real sacrifice by providing us with a host
body to live on. The earth will be exalted for her sacrifice but if
we mistreat her we will be condemned.The "spirit" of the earth feels
pain and knows when we harm her. In fact, parasites in us keep us alive
What is a steward?
What is the point of doing our own research and publishing it in peer reviewed
journals when the many qualified scientists who have are discounted as kooks?That is not meant as some type of "gotcha," rather an honest question.
I have listened to many of those who have been written off as lunatics, and most
of them, if not all that I've heard, are clearly reasonable people who are not
on a crusade but are frustrated that their professional opinion does not count.
As has been said many times on these boards, science is not about
concensus, but about what can be proved; It only takes one. Very few
people want to destroy the environment, but to be forced to pay ridiculously
high taxes for the agenda of some who do not know whether it will even work
despite all of the hyperbole is maddening. The kicker is that only a few
developed nations (Mostly the USA) will be the only ones complying with this
lunacy. Like someone above said, let's spend those billions on things we know
Al Gore is a child of God - granted. We could possible disagree with him more
respectfully. But seriously, seriously do we doubt his sincerity. And we
seriously disagree with his teachings. This is not
Republican/Democrat nonsense. Do we all swallow the party lines in totality? I
hope not.Contention is of the devil. That we know. We should be
kind and respectful, but we do not have to agree.
Al Gore bad because wants taxes & laws to help protect our enviornment to create
a better world.George Bush good because he spent billions to send
our kids off to war to die, and turned the world against us...I just
don't get it.
Anonymous 3:46.You're right we do need to treat others with courtesy
and respect whether we agree with what they do or not. Sometimes people forget
that and then wonder why we have the problems we do.Hope Mr. Gore
enjoys his time.
Our understanding of science is very limited. To make any definite conclusions
about the sun and the weather patterns of the earth is far beyound our reach.
People are opposed to the "global warming" push for many reasons: First, it is
never good science to completely close the door on other options (we have made a
lot of mistakes in science and will continue to do so). Second, people want to
protect to environment but don't like it forced upon us by the government.
Third, people don't like that gobal warming is a guise for government control.
I'll be buying a HUMMER so I can help head off the inevitable global cooling
that will happen when all the carbon is removed from the atmos. Nature, not
man, is in charge here and she will show us again how little impact we have on
the enviro. Oh, I do recycle paper, glass, metal, plastic.
The earth is getting warmer. That is an irrefutable fact. You can say it just
doesn't matter, you can say it is part of a natural cycle, you can say that
nothing bad will come of it, but you cannot say that the earth is not getting
warmer. I have worked on Capitol Hill and heard the IPCC, NASA, UN, and
countless others testify of this. Even George Bush admitted this before he left
office. Also, in my undergraduate at BYU and graduate at SU I heard many true
experts testify of this. When I say true experts I mean exactly that. When I
compare the testimonies of the experts in this field to the hilarious comments
of the people who post on here it is actually sad in my opinion how uneducated a
lot of people from Utah are.
To the Earth is getting warmer:That why it is snowing in April. Cuz
it's getting warmer....not.
For my liberal friends out there, you can be a conservative and a wise steward
over the environment. The difference I want to have the freedom to decide how I
conserve and protect the environment and not the government telling me how I
need to conserve. Ducks Unlimited has done more to restore the wetlands and the
duck population than the government, the Sierra Club and the Nature Conservancy
combined. As for Al Gore, many of his conclusions have been proven
to be false. If he wants to be taken seriously he needs to practice what he
preaches. If he was really serious he would fly commercially and get rid of his
private jet. When he starts flying commercially like the rest of us, I start to
listen to him.
I care about the environment, but Al Gore goes too far. Too many on the left are
critical of those of us who buy SUV's and fly on Jet's, and yet you don't see Al
Gore going all over the country in a Toyota Prius. He flies on a jet just like
the rest of us. I for one love technology, and I love SUV's and Trucks, and will
continue to purchase them, because I don't think it will change anything when it
comes to the environment.
The thing that cracks me up is that the PR firm refused to comment on
anything...they're a PR firm, right?! Their answer to everything is "No
comment." And they're getting paid for...what?It's cool that church
leaders are open to both democrats and republicans, but I think Gore's lecture
about global warming is just annoying at this point. It's the one thing he can
continue to bring up and get people's attention. I can't believe he actually
won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Humans don't cause global warming! Watch "The great global warming swindle"
documentation from Channel 4 UK on Google video or Youtube.
Response to "Why are you so angry".Your answer is because it is being
mandated. They decide for us instead of letting us use our agency.
Furthermore, the process is weakening our country when our enemies are
strengthening their forces all around us. I have no problems being ECO
friendly. I do not likes mandates, nor weakening our country during at time
That Al Gore wants to lecture people on global warming. Two different panels of
scientists, one from the EU and one from the UN, have said that the models used
to predict doomsday global warming use junk science, and that they cannot
confirm man-made effects have significantly contributed to warming. Al Gore
loves to fly around in his private jet and keep his mansion rolling in
electricity (house and plane combined- he pollutes nearly 200 times more then
the average American/yr), and he wants to lecture me on driving twenty minutes
to school, not owning a prius, and for traveling too much. Al Gore is the
biggest hypocrite on the planet. He can fly his jet and use triple the
electricity in a month then I use in a year to power his home, but I should feel
guilty for driving to school ? He's a joke.
6:06 - that was an awesome comment. I honestly never thought I'd read someone's
comment for any reason than entertainment but that point was very well made and
gave me a very good alternative perspective to how I've always viewed tree
Okay....so, Al Gore met with the leaders of the LDS church. Why? Really,
someone explain to me why he requested such a meeting.
Where my brother lives in Oklahoma they got 21" of snow last week(the end of
March!) They closed the road just north of the Point of the Mountain 4/2/09
because of snow. Pretty warm,huh. Gore craves attention and money. He
didn't get to be President so he found a way to get some global attention. There are plenty of scientists that don't agree with him!
1: The commandment to "multiply and replenish the earth" refers specifically to
human procreation, not the way we use natural resources.2: The earth
WAS created in spirit, but it has no nervous system and can't feel pain. Trees
and rocks were also created in spirit, but "spirit" in this instance does not
mean intelligence. I mean, are you high?3: The consensus is NOT that
the world is rapidly warming. That's actually a lie. Around half of the
scientists who study climate change suggest that the world is now cooling down.
NASA studies show that the oceans have lost heat dramatically since 2003, and
that the warmest year on record was 1934. 4: Al Gore is an
opportunist. Nothing more. A large portion of his wealth comes from Occidental
Petroleum. He is rich from coal and oil revenues. Look it up. Moreover, he is
purchasing green-credits and is heavily invested in "green" technologies and if
his agenda gets pushed through he will make hundreds of millions of dollars.
He's just a business man. He tells you to turn off your lamp and tv while he
flies from mansion to mansion in private jets.
Nope I don't think you will be buying any Hummer. Don't you watch the news?
Pres. Obama has ordered the manufacturing of all Hummer's to stop. And actually
the junk man throws into the earth's atmosphere has alot of impact on the
environment.Better do a little bit more research on the subject. So glad to hear
that you do at least recycle.
I think it's so funny that someone thinks the fact that Gore is a Democrat has
anything to do with anything. The leaders met with him out of courtesy and
that's all. It has nothing to do with whether he is a Democrat or a Republican.
It has NOTHING to do with politics. That this should give heart to Democrats
in the Church is silly.The Church has always taken the position of
wise stewardship of the earth and being careful with our resources. It has
NOTHING to do with politics or global warming. The fact that Gore
requested a meeting with the Church shows that he believes the Church is an
important force in the world today. THAT'S what should be heartening to members
of the Church. Party affiliation is IRRELEVANT.
To "The earth is getting warmer:" Apparently you are not aware of the 650
climate scientists who recently submitted a report to the U.S. Senate. One of
these scientists is a Nobel Prize winner. Another one is formerly with the U.N.
and stated that now he is no longer with the U.N. he can say what he really
thinks.What the report states is that the evidence DOES NOT support
the conclusion for man-made global warming. Also, recently a PhD scientist
confronted Al Gore and asked him to debate him about global warming. Gore
refused to do it. It sounds like he's not quite so sure of himself as he
claims.The fact is that MANY climate scientists think that the whole
global warming thing is nothing more than a lot of alarmism perpetuated by
people who want to get government grants for their research projects and put a
stop to economic development. No matter what Al Gore says, the
debate is NOT over.
I think one of the benefits of Gore's work and why he has received recognition
for it has been the awareness he has raised, not just for the existence of
global warming, but the effects.The Church absolutely has interest
in the effects of global warming. For instance, the nations of the South
Pacific are already feeling the biggest effects of global warming. The Church
has many congregations living in these countries. The nation of Tuvalu will be
unable to sustain the population within five years because of the rising sea
level (they are relocating to New Zealand). The nation of Kiribati is likely
next, and with a population of over 100,000 (about 11% LDS) I am sure the Church
is interested in knowing more about the situation in order to know how to care
for the people there.
Just cannot understand why, if Al Gore TRULY believes the stuff he is promoting,
why doesn't he TELECONFERENCE?? SKYPE??? He could even broadcast big speeches
to the masses via the internet & they wouldn't even have to leave their homes &
spew toxic waste into the air in trains, planes, buses or cars (or risk life &
limb on a bike). He is enough of a hypocrite to make me just disbelieve
anything he says. If it were as dire as he is making it out to be, then w/every
meeting he goes to he is killing the rest of us slowly. Kinda' sick n twisted,
don't you think?
Be careful all you "green" people. Gore is a baffoon. First, if you do
homework, most of the changes he wants to make laws involve companies you would
be using things he has invested in. He's full of crap, and if the LDS leaders
have their antennas up, they will recognize that. God, and only God, can
control the climate.
Hopefully he has taken his private jet elsewhere. I am sure Ezra Benson is
rolling in his grave as his prophecies of the dangers of socialism are being
fulfilled before our eyes.
The earth's temperature is measured in more complex ways than "if it is snowing"
in Utah in April. It snowed yesterday where I live in NY too. It probably
snowed in lots of places. But at the same time, the summers are getting hotter
and longer elsewhere around the world, our summers will be hotter when they get
here too. Ice caps and glaciers are melting on the poles as well. Again my
friend, you do not have to attribute this to man, that is your prerogative. You
can say it is part of a natural cycle or that you don't care, but you cannot say
that the earth is not getting warmer. But don't take my word for it. Just a
little but of research into any reliable study of organization like NASA will
confirm this. Personally, I know the earth is getting warmer but I honestly
don't really care. Call me selfish, but global warming is not really ever going
to affect me so I don't really care. I probably wont buy a hybrid or anything
like that. But I am intelligent enough to understand the earth is currently
Alright, First of all, Gore and his Global Warming is not accurate, sure The
earth is warming, but wasnt it in the 70's when everyone thought the ice age was
coming back? Leading Scientest claim "its a natural earth cycle" however you
wont hear that arguement from Gore or his followers. regardless,
This is our Earth, our planet, we must take care of it. We must be responsible
for what GOD gave us to watch over. I highly dislike Gore and his policies, But
the activists Gore represents are anti People (i.e. Peta, etc)
I have to laugh at all the nay-sayors here who say this meeting is a waste of
time.In building the Conference Center the Church initiated a wave
of "green" urban buildings. It remains one of the top five examples of how to
build green even today.If you're going to be a conservative, at the
very least agree that we should conserve the natural resource with which we have
Gore's refusal to debate man-caused global warming leads me to conclude
regarding his fear mongering claims "...he betrayed our country..he played on
our fears"!Until and unless Gore can use more science and less
propaganda to support his claims he is a false prophet.
imo, CO2 is not the enemy. I'm down with reducing sulphur in the atmosphere, and
methane emissions, and CO ain't good. But CO2 is a fundamental food source for
plants, and imo, could be controlled by simply planting a few more and wise land
Reading over these comments, a key theme of the climate change deniers is
evident -- they don't want a "new world order" that changes the status quo.
Let's see -- America and the world are addicted to oil controlled by
authoritarian governments, most of which are anti-democracy. Our oil dollars
desvistate American families financially, whenever the price reaches $3 or more
per gallon, which has contributed to our current economic crisis. And those oil
dollars have been traced to sponsoring terrorism against the West. As consumers, Americans have no choice but to use oil to commute to work, and
that oil distribution is controlled by a tight-knit oligopoly of oil companies,
many of which have openly denied climate change or claim they are not interested
in investing in new, cleaner, alternative energy sources (e.g., Exxon, Shell),
even though every other constituent yearns for it as a means of reducing our oil
dependency and cleaning up the environment.In short, there's no free
market for us to move away from an oil-based infrastructure that clearly is bad
for America's national, economic, and energy security -- I ask, is this the
status quo that climate deniers want?
At its very worst.
Gore, yah got class.Yah got brains.Yah got guts.The
little people are embar. by your work. Ignore them.
If Al Gore has lips moving, he's telling a lie or eating. Both of which produce
the same result the next day.Of course places on earth are warmer. It's
arrogant of human beings to think they have any control over it or even started
it. The "carbon footprint" of humanity is so low compared to 30 to 40 years ago
it's ridiculous to assume that anything mankind is doing today makes any kind of
a difference in the weather, heat, cold, or any facsimile thereof.Meeting
with Al Gore. How silly.
Rob sums up my position quite nicely. It's the guise of government control that
causes me to be wary. Any contientious person wants to conserve our resources
and keep the earth clean. One gives too much credit to mankind to think we can
absolutely control climate. Also, we need Co2 if we want all the "green" to
thrive. Co2 is a necessary component of photosynthesis.
1st Al Gore is a profiteer plain and simple who is riding a political game to
millions of dollars and world fame. That is all.2nd Not all
scientists believe the hype3rd the benifits of climatology do not
outway the rewards. Arrogant western culture is acting as though taxation on
green house gas emmisions will make the earth cleaner. When in fact it make
everything I use more expensive giving more money to undeserving beurocrats. It
also sends Millions of Jobs to countries that are not participating in this
movement ie China, and India. People who live in counties without
industry don't live on dirt floors because it's more eco-friendly. They do so
because they have no choice. Now why can't we do something that benifits both
the ecconomy and the eccology like remove cap and trade and let those companies
reinvest that money in cleaner techologies. finally People a
shouting match and a feighned outrage by some will not settle this neither will
hidden agendas which both sides seem to have so stop with the WOW comments and
the insults we ought to be more mature than that.
Request. Did you get that part of the story? Gore is running around the
country presuming to "lecture" us all, including religious leaders of many
demoniations (he knows more than God, after all) on how we're all going to cook
th earth. He's a politician, not a scientist. He studied journalism in
college! He's a "true believer" in the talking points generated by Earth First!
Of course the First Presidency and General Authorties would be gracious; that's
what they are. But for people to read into that it's an implied endorsement of
liberal Democratic politics and some compatability with LDS teachings and values
is patently absurd.
"Prudent stewardship and wise use of resources are principles that church
leaders have emphasized throughout the history of the church," This is correct
and true. The Church should work with Gore in this effort. By the way, Robert
Redford used the same language as Scott Trotter, back in the 1970s. Just like
Gore, he was mocked by Utahns who care more for big industry and the despoiling
of our planet so that their money hungry selfish interests can be served.
Redford was right then, and Gore is right now. We need a long term approach.
I just want to breath clean air. If dropping CO2 emissions helps me to do that
then I am all for it. I just want to breath clean air.
When your Bishop says it, will you believe it? Also I think it is very wise of
you to use a lot of gasoline. Guys like you will certainly drive the price of
oil back up. Of course then we will use less. Maybe your thinking is right.
When one analyzes anything, all factors must be considered. Certainly Mr. Gore
is welcome to share his views and should be treated with dignity. That said the
science as of this time is inconclusive. There are hundreds of scientists with
views that the earth is not warming. There are hundreds who say it is. The
fact is we need more study. Billions of dollars should only be spent if we are
as certain as we can be that it is true. Secondly most people do not realize
that Mr. Gore has made over 100 million dollars giving speeches and presenting
his views since 2000. He will leave Utah to give a speech that he will receive
tens of thousands of dollars to give. I am a capitalist. If people want to pay
to be warned then that is their choice but to compare him to Mother Theresa or a
Bishop who serves for nothing is not a rational comparison. I was raised by a
father who told me that when I went anywhere leave it cleaner than when I got
there. If Mr. Gore truly wants to help the earth perhaps he should live a less
Al Gore wants your "Carbon Taxes" They are coming.. we'll all pay for the tax
man for breathing!
. . . therefore I exist.
Environmentalism is about control, the want to contol peoples lives, It has
nothing to do about the "environment". Every environmental position is a way to
control the masses. It takes away libery and freedom, to cornerstone of the
gospel and constitution, Which the church teaches, is inspired by God.
Wow, as I read these comments it seems to me that the Church leaders talking
with Gore has caused some to question their faith in their leaders. These people have been indoctrinated that talking with Democrats and
Democratic principles are at odds with being a Christian in the vein of
Republicans and that you cannot both be a christian and a Democrat.This is where the problem lies. It appears the leaders they seem to question
from this meeting are not Rush Limbaugh and the Republican Party Leaders, but
rather the LDS Church leaders.That is unfortunate.
Al Gore and his following are a hoax and are scamming everyone out of millions
of dollars. There is no proof that Gullible Warimg is a man-made event. It is
ignorant of Al or anyone else to think that man is important enough on this
earth to have cause some global event that has taken over the course of this
planet. This scam is going to cost everybody millions of dollars and freedoms we
used to enjoy just because we gave into it. Come on people, wake up before it's
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places
the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce
Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from
fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical
change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic
zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as
far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed
the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by
moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well
known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are
found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have
never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal
fishing grounds.A RealClimate blogger? No, that was the US Weather Bureau
The commandment to multiply and replenish the earth is just that multiply AND
replenish, not replenish by multiplying. We have stewardship over the earth
just like we have stewardship over our children or church calling. That doesn't
mean we have the authority to USE them but to TAKE CARE of them.
March 9, 1999, Al Gore, worlds greatest snake oil salesman and I quote,"During
my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives
that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and
environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
He was searching for "manbearbig" "Excelsior!"
Al Gore is of the "Elite Class" and has demonstrated that he has no intention of
practicing what he preaches.
Fact: The pacific northwest (where I live) had the coldest June on record -
ever - last year. The second coldest February (last month), the second coldest
March - ever.Fact: Headline from the Seattle Times, July 2008 -
"Colder than Siberia"Fact: Unusually cold waters in Alaska last
year led to the worst salmon season in recent memory. The fish were confused
and didn't move up river to spawn.Fact: The cold weather last
summer badly damaged the berry crop in the NW. One of the worst seasons
ever.Fact: Al Gore lives with his wife and two kids in a 10,000 sq
ft mansion and flies private jets. Until recently, he drove an SUV.
Hypocrite.Fact: John Staussel from ABC News aired a piece five years
ago where THOUSANDS of scientists called climate change a natural phenomenon.
Left wing groups sued to keep the story off the air, but it still ran (Hmmm,
freedom of press/speech?).We've all read "Taming of the Shrew," so
you can't fool us. It's cold. Stop telling us it's hot.
.... but I. Gore is nothing more than a doomsday seller. However, maybe if we
re-counted the votes, we could get a different Nobel Peace prize winner. Those
It's about the money.Also, power & control.There is a payday coming.Everyone
will pay REAL dollars for all this "climate change".It will be a BIG payday, not
paying a few cents for "greener light bulbs",etc. It will be an increase of at
least 40 to 50% more in electric rates.BUT, it doesn't stop there.You will pay
the addl. 40 to 50% for every one of your goods & services.I am not making this
up.This notion of "being greener "is going to be painful for everyone.
green. Al flew in on his private jet and was driven around in monster SUV while
he was here. Way to go AL!!! Practice was you preach my friend. Oh...wait...I am sure it was a Hybrid SUV and I bet his jet uses Biodiesel.
The facts posted at 8:03 a.m. support the theory of global warming. "Global
warming" is something of a misnomer. The theory does not imply that every
location around the world will experience a rise in temperature. The theory
implies that AVERAGE temperatures will increase.Extreme weather
conditions, including unseasonal weather conditions, are evidence of global
warming. This includes hotter summers and droughts that last an unusually long
time. It also includes snow in April and May, longer hurricane seasons, and
Seattle being colder than Siberia. Google global warming, or look at global
warming in Wikipedia for a basic understanding.
Let's see now, Al Gore, King of the global warming charade; what could he have
told the mormon church on his visit and what it was about.Let's see,
mormons are famous for large families, big SUV's, numerous loads of laundry,
numerous mouths to feed.How about hugh houses with numerous
rooms.It has numerous church buildings that have their lights on
constantly.mmm, what else?
Al Gore has an agenda that only he understands. This is absurd. Of course we
should take care of the earth but we should also enjoy our environment, use our
roads, harvest our tree crops. He is such a hypocrite, bet he didn't come to
SLC pushing his handcart or riding his bicycle, no doubt he roared in on his
private "carbon footprinting" private jet. What an idiot. What does he think
he gained by meeting with church leaders?
So Called Climate Change is a natural cycle, that is not caused by human
activities. The average volcano puts out more emissions than the USA puts out
in a decade. The world cools, then it heats up, do you think the ice age was
caused by the terrible people and their cars???? no. Remember this one
thing...Al Gore is a politician, and cannot be trusted. He is profiteering on
global fear and I am appalled that he would have the nerve to try to push his
political adgenda on the prophet, seer, and revelator or the world.
Goodness, I cannot believe all the negative, critical comments being posted. So
what if Mr Gore met with LDS CHurch leaders. Personally I think that that is
great. He has an agenda to get out there, and the LDS Church continually
emerges as a major player in the global world. Why wouldn't Gore want to talk
with them. Looking after our precious planet is the responsibility of all who
live on it.
This was strong arm politics at its best. Gore came to say "get your church on
board with global warming and we'll forget about taxing charitable
Agree with thine adversary while thou art in the way with him. The global tax
empowering the UN to become a true global governing entity is now coming out of
fear of global warming. sleep sheeple sleep, drink more fluoride.
If you're going green, go all the way. Come to SLC the way mormons of old
did-in a wagon or pulling a handcart. This ol' plane and gas-guzzlin limo stuff
just doesn't cut it.But beyond that, can you imagine sitting for
t...h...i...r...t...y minutes of him talking? OMG, talk about CO2.
Man-made climate change is not nearly established as scientific fact. Those
scientists who most loudly proclaim it are also those who gain government grants
to keep it going. It has become a big business unto itself.Climate
scientists can barely make an accurate forecast about what will happen in the
next 24 hours and we're supposed to believe they have a firm enough grasp on the
many, many variables to accurately tell us what happened thousands of years ago?
Come on, that's not science, that's religious devotion to a hypothesis.
Fact: We as a people produce way to much CO2 and we don't really know exactly
what impact it's having on the environment and overall health as a people and
and we should do something about it.Fact: Global Warming is a
scientific theory and not fact. At one point scientist's believed the earth
would cool significantly and throw us into an ice age all because of human
activity. Even now scientist debate on the real cause of Global Warming.I do believe that God has given this earth to us and that we should be
wise stewards. I'll listen to Gore about what he says we can do to reduce
pollution, conserve energy, etc. And do my part. But there is just to much
conflicting scientific debate to consider me sold on Global Warming.
1. The vast majority of climatologists agree that the earth is warming due to
human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. New studies further support
this.2. Tremendous harm will result from sea-level rise, increased
spread of tropical diseases, changes in weather patterns, etc. The biggest
losers will be the poor and endangered species; dealing with these changes will
cost us far more than the costs of preventing them.3. Under a carbon
tax or cap-and-trade system everyone will pay more for things that result in
lots of CO2 emissions. This is fair: market theory says we SHOULD pay for all
the costs associated with producing a good. We haven't been paying for the
environmental costs. Rebates to the poor can cushion the blow.4. As
prices go up, research into low carbon alternatives will go up too. Markets
will work to foster innovation, and clean energy will rapidly replace dirty
energy sources. This won't happen if CO2 emissions aren't expensive.Thus govt. action to raise fossil fuel energy costs are consistent with market
principles, are fair, and will help us, our posterity and other living things in
the long run.
I think it is ironic that when Al "Mr Global Warming" Gore, Jr. comes to town
it's chilly and it's snowing...
So I guess you are okay with Pres. Bush invading Iraq for erroneous reasons
(weapons of mass destruction) as long as the result was positive (deposed a
ruthless dictator, stabalized the region)?Why doesn't Al Gore create
an organization devoted to lowering pollution and developing alternative
energies? Because he doesn't really care about these things. He perpetuates this
global warming lie to line his own greedy pockets. Reducing
pollution and developing alternative energies, if done in a reasonable way,
would have almost universal support. Gore's approach would destroy our economy
and waste billions of dollars toward an end goal (reducing global temperatues)
that is not attainable. This is about greed and money and trying to stay
relevant and nothing else.
Wow, Colleen what are you smokin. That is the most studpid thing I have heard.
The most sensible comment here. The bottom line is the reasons behind all the
"good" going on with the Global Warming. I love the earth and all that it
provides and I know who created it and why. I want to take care of it for that
purpose only and not out of fear. You can find just as many scientists that
believe it is a hoax. Listen to the guy who created the weather channel. He
says the earth cycles like this all the time. It is nothing new. Al Gore and
his followers have an agenda I do not believe they really care about the earth
or they would give a lot more credit to the Creator. I believe it is for an
evil purpose. Doing all the good in the world for an evil purpose is still evil
and it is the d definition of guile.
There's nothing wrong with being conservation-minded and being good stewards.
We all agree with those principles. The problem is using misleading information
to promote political agendas that don't actually REDUCE pollution, such as the
sham CARBON CREDITS and CAP AND TRADE legislation.
The issue it NOT whether the climate is changing. It has changed many times
over millions of years. The issue IS whether it is manmade. The evidence to
support that is very questionable. Many scientists are completely opposed to
the man-made global warming theory and consider it be a bunch of alarmism. Even
though the pro global-warming croud claims scientific consensus (which actually
DOESN'T exist), consensus is NOT scientific fact. No matter what Al
Gore says, the debate is NOT over. However, if it IS warming, the solution is
to find ways to adapt to that...NOT to bankrupt our economy by trying to change
it. Destroying our lives by adopting actions that MIGHT lower the temperature
by 1/2 degree is stupid. It's actually quite arrogant to believe that we have
that kind of power.
In the first chapter of Glenn Beck's book, "An Inconvenient Book" He had chart's
demonstrating the close relationship of the Earth's temperatures to Solar
activity and the outrageous stretch in trying to connect those same temperatures
to CO-2 emissions.
re: Anonymous | 7:03 a.m. April 3, 2009 ((Redford was right then,
and Gore is right now. We need a long term approach.))You mean an
I agree with all of the comments that suggest we should be mindful of how we
effect our environment and should take steps to midigate any negative effects.
Whereas, we don't need to apologize for being here, we could definately do a
much better job respecting and conserving the wonderful world we have.
Additionally, I disagree with the many divisive and unkind comments, I don't
think there is a need/place for that in thoughtful discussions on important
Show me where the climatologist agree that global warming was caused by man.
The mormon church needs american indians as part of the general authorities to
give the church more balance and appreciation for care of mother earth. The
white man only thinks in terms of greed, ownership, control, power and profit.
The indian thinks in terms of sharing, community, and harmony with god and
nature. Earth was happier before white man.
1. Only the vast majority of climatologists at the Weather Channel agree with
global warming, not the vast majority of real scientists. In fact, the founder
of the Weather Channel debunked global warming recently in a paper about how the
scam started in the first place. Even the man who started the global warming
histeria had second thoughts about it before he died.2. Sea level rise is
way over-exaggerated. In fact, they recently found that there is much more
polar ice than their computer models said. Anyone who uses a computer knows how
reliable they are.3. Cap and trade will bankrupt everyone, especially
the poor.4. Alternatives are way too expensive and not at all reliable.
Everything will cost too much to produce. Ane when has government action ever
solved any problem? Bottom line is that enviro's hate our consumer society and
our freedom to come and go and earn and spend. They want control.
Some of you need an education on what Mr. Gore's agenda is. It's politcal( read
greed and power based). Of course we need to be good stewards - no question, but
all he really wants. He's the biggest hypocite there is on this subject. Do
you know how much he has invested in CAP and Trade? He's using fear, lies and
some truth to confuse people - in the end he's looking for the windfall. He's no
better then the fraudulant wall street types and the politicians (heck that is
what he is). Can't trust him one bit - his end is evil and he uses some good to
I think most people agree that we should conserve energy when we can, and should
decrease pollutions as new technologies develop. I think many people don't
trust Gore and the Global Warming movement because their motives may not be
pure. Gore makes money as we move to Green, as do much of the corporations
behind the movement. Plus, the science IS NOT CLEAR. We should not dump
excessive amounts of money (and our unborn children's money) into fixing
something before we understand the problem, and KNOW we can fix it. We're just
throwing money at a possible problem without really knowing if it will help.
There's smarter things to do with money.
Cats. I realize how ignorant some people can be. I didnt know everyone here
knew so much about global warming. You guys are all experts.
Don't you know the DN News Readers only condone meetings with Far Right
I have as much education as you, if not more. You "educated" people crack me up
with your, "look at me, I have a master's, so what I say is set in stone."Give me a break. I too have studied the global warming issue, including
things such as the chemical reaction of car exhaust on the ozone.So
far, 31,000 scientist have signed a petition against the idea of global warming.
Yes, that's 31,000. That means there must be a pretty strong argument against
global warming, because scientist rarely take a stance without first examining
the facts.Go to petition project dot org to see all of the names
yourself. You will see there are a lot of PhD's and MD's on the list.Another thing, Utah people are not ignorant. Utah people are very well
educated. You just claim they are ignorant because they don't share your
opinion. The fact is it's your opinion, and nothing more.P.S. The
Theory of Evolution is a "theory" and not fact also., so it would be appreciated
if you liberals would stop forcing the general population to accept it as fact.
We are all for the wise use of our resources. We are not for the government or
some nutcake like Gore mandating how we use them. The green movement is all
about socialism. It is another way to put government in control of your life.
What about the fact that the SUN actually has cycles? It gets warm for a while,
then cools for a while. Anyone else remember in the early-mid 70s how the
scientists were predicting another ice age?? I am all for real
conservation without bankrupting people. I turn my lights and water off every
chance I get. I keep my heat down. I recycle cardboard and don't idle my car on
cold mornings. I hate feeling forced to pay for unproven methods
when that money could be better used in many other ways--especially right now. I
think this global warming craze is like a new religion. There are so many
believers willing to throw billions of dollars at it, when there is NO agreement
about the causes. Just a lot of posturing and threats. And if the sun and
volcanic activity and other HUGE, natural factors can't be ignored, then why are
many doing so?One last thing...whose plan is it to limit the size of
families and say, you shouldn't have more than 1 or 2 kids because of your
"carbon footprint"? Would that be God's plan? NO.
I am for conservation and looking for alternative energy but this should not be
forced upon us by government. I fear that this is just another way to control us
through taxation. I am tired of big government and our politicians in
Washington. It is time for change.
I am a Republican, but not a member of the LDS Church. (Yes it is possible to
be Non Mormon and a Republican in Utah). I think it is great that the Mormon
leaders can reach out to all people. The Mormon Church has been a great steward
of the land and its property. I think people like Al Gore recognize that and so
he came to thank and to encourage the Church to continue their actions. I
admire that about the LDS. I think the Mormon Church claims stands that are
attractive to both political parties. I remember in the 80s how the Church
attracted the GOP with its stand on the ERA and then turned around and attracted
the Dems with their stand on the storage of missiles in the Utah desert. What a
great religion the Mormons have come up with. I just sit back and marvel. LOL.
Republican/Conservative Gospel: To heck with thy neighbor. Ignore the science,
fill the atmosphere with crap, pave over every living thing, drill it, suck it
up, and burn it--all for the benefit of my wallet.Christ's Gospel: Love
thy neighbor (or at least don't choke him to death just to fill your wallet). As
for the Earth, He said: "Take good care of it."
"Bottom line is that enviro's hate our consumer society and our freedom to come
and go and earn and spend. They want control."When I read statements
like this, I trust the writer about as much as I trust Glen Beck. In other
words, not at all.
Fact is LDS leaders had a meeting with Al Gore, they felt he deserved a meeting.
That is all the article says. And it says a lot.
Most of the Mormons I know, including myself, are people that look after the
environment. Cleaner cars, recycling, growing gardens, etc. It just appears
that most of us don't feel the need to vocalize to the world how great we are.
As a uniom member in Seattle, I met former vice president Al Gore he is a real
gentleman and a great representativefor the global warming truths.
Back in the seventies there was going to be an ice age and now the earth is
warming. The fact is the earth naturally goes through phases or warming and
cooling. I agree we need to take care of the environment, but anyone can see
that this is simply a great way for Al Gore to make money.
Bottom line: a photo op and a chance to keep his foot in the presidential
LDS 'green'??, Is it more important to not dump engine oil in your backyard or
to not surf pornography on the internet?Sure we all need to do our
part to conserve energy, reduce waste, pollution, etc., but it is more important
to have the companionship of the Holy Ghost. That is probably why you won't
hear much during the upcoming general conference from the leaders of the church
about saving the earth. Our souls are more important.
I believe Al Gore means well and is trying to make the world a better place.
Whether or not global warming is man-made, working to reasonably reduce
pollution is a good thing. Hopefully his meeting with church leaders was
Lot's of Straw Man (fallacious) arguments being expressed here - on both sides
of this issue. Many of you need to "get a grip" and check your egos at the door.
I don't believe in this global warming nonsense, at the same time I do believe
in being conservative and protective to our planet. At the same time using all
of our resources our great Earth provides us. The reason I have a
problem with listening to Mr. Gore is because I know there is an agenda behind
his preaching of global warming. Washington Democrats are always looking for a
reason to stick their hands in our pockets and steal our money with taxes. My
gut feeling is that this whole global warming agenda is based around taxing all
of the evil people who drive SUV's, and don't buy eco-friendly cars. Or maybe
shut down important projects bacause they don't meet their overbearing
environmental protection policies.It would be a lot easier to follow
someone in being conscious to the environment if there wasn't always a hidden
agenda with Washington to take away some of our freedoms. It would also help if
the person preaching the message wasn't such a hypocrite.
Global warming is not caused by man's technology. Warming and cooling cycles
existed long before we had the kind of technology Al Gore aledges causes global
warming. Besides, many experts now say the Earth is cooling again and the ice
layer is increasing. We have had one of the coolest winters in many year.
Having said that, we all need to conserve our natural resources.
The comments after articles always crack me up. I swear some of the views that
are voiced are posted just to disagree with others. Today's comments have shown
many posters uneducated and wrong views. Global Warming (or Climate Change) is
happening and it is being influenced by human activities. However, I think it is
important to communicate that just Climate Change is not just resulting in the
warming of the earth. In fact, some areas are cooling. The point of the
Greenhouse Gas Effect is that it is going to influence our planet and our
temperatures.Please before posting an argument, research the topic.
The biggest loser of all times. What a hypocrite! Get on your jet and get out of
he is still trying to get support for patent rights to the invention of the
Did anyone hear about the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change, held
March 8-10 in New York City? Of course not, because the media is liberal.
Thank you to Wow! for condescendingly defining "straw man" for the rest of us
lowly readers. Obviously your own ego couldn't be checked at the door long
enough to overcome your haughty assumption that we wouldn't be familiar with
Now are we a know it all? Get over yourself.
We pathetic lowly uneducated people have to decide which brilliant well-educated
leaders to believe. And it so terribly difficult to know in whom we should
trust. Please don't hate us because we don't trust Mr. Gore. Many
of us have lived long enough to learn that you can't trust "experts." I look
back through the years at how we have been jerked back and forth by doctors etc.
One year it is good for you, the next they are suing for damages.Trusting in man is just not a great idea. Oh be wise! (And "follow the
As an open-minded individual, I have noticed that there is a BIG BALL OF FIRE in
the sky called THE SUN. It goes through cycles, and in turn the earth (and
Jupiter, Mars, etc.) to get hotter or cooler. But that is the lease
of our problems. We need to watch c02 emissions people! But that is only a small
portion of the atmosphere. We should focus on one of the larger greenhouse
gasses like H20. That is messing up the planet hard core!
Al Gore clearly has an agenda, and he stands to profit from this global warming
nonsense.That is why I only trust Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. They
say global warming is a hoax, and they are obviously well-informed experts on
the topic who don't have any alterior motives.
It is ironic and funny to me that Al Gore made this presentation on "global
warming" during an April snowstorm. I'm starting to wish "global warming" was
real so we could get some decent weather around here.
It is funny and ironic to me that Al Gore gave his presentation on "global
warming" during an April snowstorm. I'm starting to wish "global warming" was
real so we could get some decent weather around here.
When Mr. Gore was a twinkle in his Mother's eye, the LDS Church had already
preached that over-indulgence in any way was against the teachings of Our
Father-in-Heaven. Science has always been a hypothesis of expected outcomes.
When I see people, like Mr. Gore preaching that "Global Warming" is a problem,
and requiring that we, the American People, should be spending billions of
dollars combating the alledged problem, while he flies around the world in his
private jet and lives in a multi-million dollar home, his preachings are simply
as "dust in the wind".
After reading so many comments against Al Gore from good LDS citizens, I wonder
if the authorities of the church are wrong. After all, they accepted to meet
with this good for nothing of Al Gore. May be Al Gore paid them to
meet.May be Al Gore is becoming a Mormon.May be this is a plot from
the left to mislead all of us.I'm just being a sarcastic idiot tryng to
tell all Al Gore haters....Relax, is no big deal.
Just for the point of correction, the former Vice President did not meet with
the First Presidency. He met with Elders Ballard and Cook and other members of
the public affairs committee. So far as I know these two apostles head that
committee, so it would be appropriate that they be the ones in the meeting. I
just wanted to set the record straight. Okay. Back to the global warming debate
-- please keep it civil.
You people are idiots....Comparing Gore to Jesus? The environment as our
beloved neighbor? Give me a break! Gore is not a scientist....He did not
invent the internet....He is a politician who is good at his job of getting
mindless, stupid people, and hollywood to follow him... This gives him
when the Church comes out with a new "Green Revelation" and all you deniers will
have to change your stance.Oh, no, that could never happen!
If we want to significantly reduce CO2 then every country would have to be
involved. (The Chinese factories put out a huge amount of CO2.) Things would
have to regulated. We would have to have laws and they would have to be
enforced. We would need a world government! Al Gore for president of the
world. Yea!!!! Yah, he has adgenda and I doubt it is only the welfare of our
STOP! Read a couple of science journals and you will discover that 2007 and
2008 were both colder than previous years and the "real" scientists believe
there is a greater chance of another ice age than global warming.Or..... believe that there is a God with a plan. No stress :)
You made several assertions of fact. What are your sources? Before you try to
fob opinion off as fact, please provide your sources.
Church of Jesus Christ, I'd like to introduce you to the Church of Global
first Gore is one of the biggest hypocrites out there when it comes to
practicing what he preaches. He is also a might loonie by attempting to lay
clain to "creating the internet". Global warming is far from a fact
at this stage. It wasn't long ago these same scientists were running around
claiming we were headed for another ice age. The sooner folks
realize Gore is a nut case, the better off we will all be.
this global warming thing is all george bushes fault!!him and that dang
Why do so many feel the LDS church needs to make a statement or take a stand
regarding Global Warming? How could their position be any more
clear?One of the most fundimental concepts of the gospel is... That
God created this earth and gave it to us (human kind) with a COMMAND to take
care of the earth.How could they be any clearer than that?If you read the scriptures or if you've been to the temple (and not just seen
it on TV) you already know that the LDS consider the earth to be sacred and it
is OUR responsibility to care for it.Personally I don't think Al
Gore (who uses 10 times more energy than the average family in just ONE of his
luxury homes and flies around in a private jet spewing jet fuel and hydrocarbons
into the air DAILY) has any room to preach to the LDS people about how to care
for the earth.This topic is something the LDS leadership and
doctrine are ALREADY perfectly clear on. We ARE responsible for caring for the
Religious people tend to see rapid global climate change as a religious issue,
hence your "Church of Global Warming" moniker. Do religious people have a
difficult time incorporating new ways of thinking which are at times required by
society in general?I wonder about that.
Unlike you local "experts," I've been reading MIT's latest report on global
warming. Just released, the report says this: "All our simulations have a very
small probability of warming less than 2.4C in this century." (See Report 169,
MIT Joint Program on Science and Policy.) To translate for all you
Limbaughbrains out there, things are gonna get hotter than they thought. But
then MIT's opinion CAN'T be more trustworthy than Glenn Beck's, right?
There has been some real Global Warming. So far the best scientific
measurements put that Global Warming at a 1/2 degree farenheit raise in the last
3/4 of a century. There has been zero rise in the sea level. The temperature
was higher in the 13th century than it is now. The Vikings settled Greenland as
dairy farmers. Should we plant trees? Yes. Should we set aside more urban
open space? Absolutely. Should we create more bike paths? Yes. Should asphalt
parking lots get islands of shade trees to improve beauty and coolness? Of
course. Should billboards be outlawed? YES!!! Does Al Gore's agenda have some
major flaws that would probably greatly deepen our current economic downturn and
the loss of jobs? It's not that hard to connect the dots.
H20 is a greenhouse gas? Funny, I always thought it was water, in it's liquid
form. I guess Anonymous must just be funnin us poor backwoods hicks.
Algore is making billions off of his companies he has set up to take advantage
of "green" stuff.
well lets see , I am angry because I will be taxed for this con job... Cap and
trade for starters - not to mention the proposed legislation to attack home
grown gardens.. and the list goes on... The coal industry will suffer and so
will I with higher energy prices... Nice of you to go with the patented " don't
you want clean air and water..." oh and not all scientists agree sir
-- NOT EVEN CLOSE>
Doesn't matter if Gore flies in on his own jet. All he needs to do is buy some
carbon offset credits. Didn't you know that's the solution to all these
problems? Carbon offsets will stop global warming.The U.S. and
Western Europe just need to transfer billions of dollars to countries such as
China and India. After all, those countries are pristine, unlike the corrupt and
dirty "West."I'm all for wise use of resources, less pollution,
recycling, more open space and greenery. But for Gore and most
environmentalists, global warming is about transfer of money and power, not
making the earth a better place to live.
Al Gore is a joke, and obviously the noble peace prize has been cheapened
because of him winning one. I'm all for doing things cleaner, etc., but global
warming is just another urban myth.
----Unlike you local "experts," I've been reading MIT's latest report on global
warming. Just released, the report says this: "All our simulations have a very
small probability of warming less than 2.4C in this century."----The key
word here is "simulations". Simulations are a great for starting but at some
point you actually have to take a measurement. To date all the simulations have
predicted wild temperature increases and sea level rises but real data have
found neither. The problem with a simulation is that it will find what the
programmer tells it to find.Temperature wise we are well within
historical norms. I am not sure why anyone would even give it a second glance,
much less panic (and spend money) over it.
If you are blessed to have a woman born before 1930 closeby, I suggest that you
watch her at the kitchen sink. She knows how to conserve. We would do well not
to waste things.And pat yourself on the back for cleaner/more efficient
cars, cleaner water, and less energy use.The cause of our woes then?
Growth through immigration. Talk about that, Gore!I resent Al's carbon
footprint nonsense which is nothing more than a global tax a la UN. Run from
that deal because we're the payers and the rest of the world are the getters.His agenda is redistribution of wealth with a handling fee for himself.
You might actually be a backwards hick. Water vapor is very much a greenhouse
gas. Perhaps you weren't aware that water can exist in a gaseous form as well
as liquid form. Look it up if you don't believe it. This is according to the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Look up NOAA, look up
water vapor as a greenhouse gas in google. Even look up greenhouse gas and you
will find water vapor.
H2O is the single most important greenhouse gas. CO2 is singled out because it
is one most likely to be created by burning of fossil fuels (meaning attributed
----H20 is a greenhouse gas? Funny, I always thought it was water, in it's
liquid form. I guess Anonymous must just be funnin us poor backwoods
hicks.----To add to this, H2O is a self regulating system. If it
gets too hot more evaporates and blocks (not increases) warming thus helping the
temperature cool down. Many studies have found that CO2 acts in the same way.
Face it, we have very little effect on the climate of the earth. We are tiny
and insignificant and it is the height of arrogance to think otherwise.
You sound like a real bonafide scientist. Why don't you quit your job bagging
groceries and apply for a professorial position at the U.You seem to
know a lot about the environment.
Right on, JJ! Looks like mother nature played a somewhat belated April Fool's
joke on Mister Albert Gore, jr.
Oh my, What a very nice picture of the two of them on here.
Meeting with Earth's biggest source of hot air doesn't do much for the
credibility of the church and its leadership.
Nils, are you serious? In 5 years? Based on the latest extreme predictions the
oceans are only rising at the most 1.3mm per year. They also predict that a
maximum increas of 1.8 meters for the next century. I don't anyone will be
moving out of their home in 5 years.
I thought the comments toward the end of the article were a little ridiculous
when quotes were made about the church meeting with a democrat. So what? That
doesn't mean anything.We are a church of many lands, of many
nations, and of many political systems. Who cares whether the church leaders
meet with Democrats, Republicans, or any other number of political agendas in
this country. That meeting didn't put a stamp of approval on the Democratic
Party nor would meeting with some Republic worried about the same issue.The journalist should keep her personal agendas out of her work. Report
the news as you did the first half of the article and stop trying to sway the
public into believing something that obviously meant nothing more than meeting
with a man that has a concern with the environment. It was a quote from Jowers,
but a ridiculous one to add to the article.The church backs no
political party and maybe if we would follow its example there wouldn't be such
poor representation from either side of the isle.Politics or not Mr.
Gore is a hypocrite and anyone that can't see that is blind.
According to the director of the National Weather Service, "climate science is
in its infancy". Do we really want to trust such "babes" to meddle with our
prosperity when their theories are based on unprovable assumptions? These geniuses can apparently see what's going to happen 100 years from now,
even though they can't accurately predict the weather tomorrow. They completely
ignore the facts in the ice and fossil records which suggest that climate has
always been quite cyclical. Maybe if Gore talks with the prophet
more often, he'll become better at predicting things...
I am happy that Al Gore met with church leaders. That is awesome! Go Green!
LDS Church leaders are certainly cordial in welcoming Gore. Gore certainly
wants ANYONE to listen to his message. But it is still nothing more than a
waste of time - Gore is a freaking buffon; regardless of any validity in Global
Warming. Just wish he would go back to some rock and crawl under it
I would not vote for a Democrat, if the Pope, President of the LDS church, or
the Arch Bishop of Canterbury said to do so. It is voting for the Anti-Christ!
Global Warming is the "Big Lie", of the Fascists!
What the "anti-global warming" activists are pushing for is a system that
penalizes the United States for production, but gives no credit to our
forests. They also push for a system that limits new development so
people remain crowded in slums and suffer the negative consequences of this
crowding. There is inadequate evidence that global warming is
anthropogenic, and much of the evidence that is presented is either of
questionable value or actually misinterpreted. It is not a case of
those who do not accept the case for anthropogenic global warming verses
science, but among scientists there are differing views on the causes and future
trends connected with global warming.
an idea, how about starting the "perpetual global warming
The goofy look on Al's face in the pic says it all. He's a manchurian candidate
and he wants everyone to just fall in line and obey his Gullible Warming Hoax.
After everyone is mesmerized by his superior intelligence, then he and his group
can start making millions on there mandatory new laws.
To Green Mormon, Maybe living in your Utah bubble where you can pick
and choose what parts of the Environmental movement you embrace it makes
sense. However, living here in Michigan I get mocked by enviromentalists
and told my parents are bad and destructive to the environment because they have
seven children. Such insulting of people for fullfilling the commandments
of God is what makes me dislike environmentalists.
@New MIT ReportDue to funding concerns, many scientists are just likely to
be distorting the truth as the right-wing commentators that you lambast. The
simulations that are run are often used as proof of global warming. However,
what many scientists are reluctant to acknowledge is that many times if the same
simulations are used with actual data from the past, the simulations incorrectly
predict that the average temperatures would be several degrees higher than what
they actually are today. Many scientists then makes adjustments to their model
to make the data match. This results in a large error in future prediction
because the assumptions for the adjustments are always skewed for past events
that have already happened (i.e. volcanic eruptions, in this case), and which
there is not yet sufficient evidence for the same adjustment in the future. Thus, I wouldn't throw our economy in the tank for models that may not
even be close. In addition, most environmental legislation would have a
negligible effect on future temperatures even if you assume the models are
correct.P.S. A Policy web site is not usually a good source for
The International Journal of Climatology has published at least one article
that argues the recent increases in the tempature of the earth are not the
result of human activity. John Christi has specifically argued that the rise in
temperature does not fit the green-house warming model. Unfortunantly
since this issue has been politicized, some have tried to weigh the number of
people on each side of the argument. The real question should be which view has
more actual evidence in its favor.
The Pearl of Great Price says that before the Lord comes the skies will darken
and the sea will be troubled. I wonder what would cause such a thing?
I think the earth warming is a good thing. During the medieval warm spell
they built the Cathedrals, then it cooled down and they suffered from the black
VP Al Gore is a passionate man. I have a difficult time swallowing his carbon
tax agenda. I am a working man living paycheck to paycheck. I suggest we work
on a realistic approach to protecting our environment. Not Taxing Americans in a
bad economy.StateCost at 100% Auction(in millions)Increase in
Electricity Costs per Capita.California4647.8$126.45.Colorado3471.5$702.81.Delaware19.9$22.79.District of
Columbia578.4$977.30.Florida11077.6$604.40.Hawaii767.6$595.87.Idaho113.4$74.42.Utah3052.4$1,115.47.Vermont1.2$1.93.Washington1267.1$193.47.West Virginia7207.6$3,972.29.Wyoming3861.6$7,249.54Source: Committee on Ways & Means
Republican Staff analysis
I'm glad people care about the environment, recycling, etc. but the notion that
man causes ANY sort of shift in weather or climate patterns is the most absurd
kind of thinking since.............. never, it is the most absurd thought of all
time.Al Gore just wants to feel important any way he can.
This meeting was to ingratiate the church to the party in power. That what seems
prudent. I know that's cynical but the meeting could have happened any time in
the last 4-6 years but didn't till a popular Democrat was elected president.
I was not impressed by the statement in the article by Kurt Jowers from the
Hinckley institute that the LDS general authorities' meeting with Gore
demonstrates that being liberal Democrat is not incompatible with LDS teachings
and beliefs. THe fact of the matter is that the LDS church is full of
Democrats; conservative ones, and few wackos (some in every group). They're
usually over 70 years old and would not feel comfortable with Nancy Pelosi
liberal politics (or even Harry Reid for that matter). The General authorities
would meet with just about anybody because they're nice and polite....They'd
probably meet with Karl Marx if he were alive and requested a meeting. No one
should take away from that fact that its an implied endorsement of the
requestor's politics or positions. That's patently absurd. What were they going
to do; snub the former Vice-President of the United States? Wacko
environmentlaist though he may be? He was still the Vice President and of
course they were going to meet with him and be nice. End of story. (Gore is
still deluded talking suit).
Yes, it has recently been warming. But, even with increased CO2 emissions, the
temperature has not risen for the last 10 years. The warming and cooling cycles
that have occurred over the last several thousand years were not driven by CO2,
but by variations in solar activity and other natural cloud and oceanic
variations. The temperature rise and fall actually precedes the corresponding
increase and decrease in CO2 by a period of around 800 years. The danger in the
"Climate Change" promoters is that they have drastic solutions for a non-crisis.
The "Cap and Trade" policies pushed by our politicians would cripple our already
highly damaged economy. Do a little reading. Try: Red Hot Lies by Christopher
Horner and Unstopplble Global Warming by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery.
Gee how nice that the LDS church turned off the lights at temple square for on
hour. What is that suppose to prove? Hell, the ventilation system in the
conference center alone uses more electricity in one hour than the lights use in
Is the super ruling elite going to out law the human race from exhaling to
minimize carbon dioxide?
This earth is our stewardship. It is the creation of our father and a gift and
on loan to us. Our personal opinions of Mr Gore should have nothing to do with
our responsibility to this earth. I am not a green person but I do feel a need
to try to assist the future of the earths atmosphere. I feel the need to mention
that I am ashamed of the comments and attitudes I have read today. such anger
and rudeness. As if it is ones place to tell off the world. This is an
opportunity to make the world a better place and should be used as so. Not a
sounding board for lousy attitudes and ill mannered personal hang ups. Those
that come to this site are church members or investigators. Take stock of your
comments and attitudes people.
What does multiplying and replenishing the earth have to do with global warming?
First he invented the internet. Thank goodness for that so we can blog
together.Then, Al Gore KNEW there were more votes for him in
Florida... JUST COUNT THE VOTES! (nevermind that recount after recount
validated W's victory).Now, Gore wants us all to stand on our heads
to stop global warming.I personally am not sure either way on the
cause of global warming, but could there have been a kookier advocate emerge
than Mr. Al Gore?? Maybe Al Franken?
Wow, some of the comments written since 6:53PM sound like my 3rd grade kid
writing on here. Take stock- huh? LOL!
This is news? Sitting around talking about CO2 emissions? *Yawn*
Al Gore looks like such a gomer in that picture...I would hate to be on the
Church's public relations committee and have to sit through such a boring
presentation about CO2 emissions...fascinating stuff, let me tell ya...
What is it with the mormon church members, they cry about how they are shunned
and picked on, and now a world prominent personality and world leader pays them
respect with his visit and they complain about it.
The Gore meeting is not disturbing: dimming the temple lights for Earth Hour
is. Earth Hour had nothing do do with the wise use of resources as suggested by
Church Spokesman Scott Trotter. The event was organized by WWF with
the idea of demonstrating global support for government action, specifically the
Cophenhagen Conference this coming December at which a replacement will be
drafted for the Kyoto Protocol. It was, in short, a highly propagandized effort
to promote support for another government power grab.UN
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon specifically stated that such was the object of
Earth Hour. Dimming the temple lights suggests the Church is in solidarity with
the objectives of the event. As political positions have always been
scrupulously avoided by the Church, one can only wonder why the lights were
dimmed--almost a dark irony.
I'm not an enviromentalist and I think Gore is one of the most moral people to
walk the earth, he married at 21, has stayed married, believes in having
children, he loves art, science, language, culture, music and technology----he
has southern charm, laughs and knows when to be serious. Granted, it may be an
easy life to be born to a powerful US senator and to have a mother who was one
of first female attorney in out country and he still went to Vietnam---- He is
one of the most talented people on the planet in my view-----smart and moral and
a beliver in God's word.Having said all of this, I wish he would speak
out as much on morals and marriage and family as about the weather; but he
has lived a good life so I can't say too much against the man.
Like most Americans, I voted for Gore and I'm LDS and have always thought Gore
is a better person than I am in so many categories. I think God took a lot of
his weakest children and made them members of his church to humble the church
and the world----Gore is my superior in so many areas-----I hope someday to be
the husband and father, friend that he is. He believes in the scriptures as
much as anyone else. He prays as much as anyone else. He thinks as much if not
more than anyone else. He thinks deeply about eternal things as much as anyone
else, and believe it or not, perhaps I may be biased, but I do believe he
played as integral a role in the internet as any other human being. Who
invented the internet? Can you name who did? Give me a name. When Gore was
in Congress in his 30's, Congress was all old men and Gore was on cutting edge
of so many industries and technologies. And believe it or not, he knew
Hollywood was corrupt in the 1980's. I thank God for life of Gore.
This was a total waste of time. Algore is immoral- enough said.
To: Gore, our 43rd PresidentMost attribute the invention of the
internet to Tim Berners-Lee, and MIT professor.Claiming to have
invented the internet is not what makes most people dislike Al Gore. He is an
opportunist who put our national security as risk by giving defense secrets to
the Chinese, rented out the Lincoln Bedroom for campaign contributions, and
lives in a 10,000 sq ft mansion, flies private jets and drives SUV's while
telling everyone else they need to cut back.He only wanted to
re-count the votes in the 4 most Democratic counties in Florida in 2000 and
threatened to sue to allow the counting of the votes of felons and to disallow
votes of our military that, through no fault of their own, arrived after the
deadline.Your respect for him is admirable and it's true, he is very
persuasive and articulate. But from what I've seen of him, he is a hypocrite
and a demogogue.Rounding up sympathetic scientists who want to
believe Americans are soley to blame for climate change is politics, not
I submitted a comment that did not show. Maybe because it may have read like I
was advocating violence. I suggested that true environmentalists should run Al
Gore out of town on a rail. I did not mean this as a violent act or actually
tying him to a rail, I only meant it as a figure of speech. I don't think
Algore cares at all about the environment. I think he only cares about money
and power. Man-caused climate change is just ridiculous. Did you know that
termites alone put more carbon into the atmosphere than all human activity
combined? That's just one bug. There are many more carbon producers than that.
We need to take care of our planet, there is no doubt. But this claim is
preposterous. Quit bringing up George Bush. He was an idiot,
granted. I have no respect for members of either party. Current congress and
immediate past members are guilty of treason, IMHO
Here's the thing. Man is nothing. He is a blip on the radar of infinity.
There is only one source for global climate. Only one entity with the power to
end the planet or let it continue, that entity is God. Not man, not science,
not Algore, not George Bush, not even Barack Obama, Nor all evil humans all
combined together, they are powerless to make a single hair-width of a
difference.Let's be the best stewards we can be. Respect the
planet, but let us not support stupid empty causes based in fear, lies and
I'm 100% behind caring for the environment. But Al Gore is a proven hypocrite
when he uses 12 times the amount of electricity in one of 3 mansions in one
month than the average American does in an entire year! I don't mind caring
about the environment, it's when hypocrites are the ones pretending to care
except when it comes to powering their mansions and private jets
Al Gore does not live by what he professes to support, ie large home uses a
third more electricity than the average person. I support trying to be more
green. But the global warming part has not been proven. There is great debate to
its merit in the scientific realm. If fact more studies our concluding it is not
a fact. It concerns me that with all things that our government is doing right
now, it is one more way to control the people. Global warming is another theory,
like Darwin's theory it is not a proven fact.
I think the only reason Mr. Gore stopped in Utah and talked with the Church was
to solicite contributions for his cause. Follow the money. I think the Church
cannot get involved with his causes because they are political and will do
nothing to keep the earth safe from us. The only thing we can do to change
things if they need changing is to follow the God who gave us this world in the
wow - dude - you are really out there. God is off visiting the other 10,000
planets that didn't kill His son. He left us with the responsibility to care
for this planet. And while man certainly doesn't have the power to end the
planet, we certainly have the ability to make it uninhabitable to the human
race, or kill off the human race with one good mutated virus.It's a
scary world. Don't count on God to fix it. He expects us to do it
and yet your entire religion is based on faith, without a shred of evidence.It seems strange that you would reject something that most of the world
agrees on (global warming) yet accept something that most of the world finds
bizarre and extremely doubtful (the mormon religion). Why is that?
To Jade,"Global warming is another theory, like Darwin's theory it
is not a proven fact."If global warming as achieved status on par
with evolution, then you better start riding a bike to work TODAY! And you
better start having a LOT more respect for Al Gore!
Are you kidding me? If he really believed what he is selling, his lifstyle would
reflect that. It does not. He is living high on the hog with wasteful spending
on his part towards his SUV's, private jet, large energy wasting home, etc...
Please look past his fake concern for the earth and the potential climate
change. His real motive is to implement laws to change our behavior. Within
these new laws are ways for him and his friends to make money. That's it, pure
and simple. And for anybody who understnads the geo-sciences, it takes a long
time for any real change to happen to our earth. A global freeze or global
warming is going to take a really long time to have any real affect. Anything
that may have been detected in the last 10 years is meaningless in geologic time
is just a hiccup in our earths history. Remember, it was just 30 years ago that
we had a global freeze scare making the headlines.
To Respect,Clearly, you have no clue what you are talking about when
it comes to the "global warming" phenomenon.Go get an education
before you try to put an argument into this discussion. You are clueless.
If there is one thing GOOD about the effort of those trying to take care of the
earth, it is that it might remind us that we SHOULD try to take care of our
earthly spaceship, instead of depleting all that it holds just to make things
like $150 tennis shoes.
Wow, LDS leaders AND Al Gore together? Talk about a meeting of the minds. How
wonderful that discussion must have been.
You show your ignorance. "Most of the world agrees on (global warming)." How
so? Has their been a poll? From everything I've read, heard and seen, there
seems to be an erosion in support for the theory. That's why it's now billed as
"climate change.""Most of the world finds (Mormonism) bizarre and
extremely doubtful." Again, do you have proof? Most of the world has never
even heard of Mormonism. Or, what they do know is limited and just as likely to
come from those outside the church as actual Mormons. I don't know what's so
bizarre or doubtful that God would still talk to man today? Why would He
suddenly stop talking to us 2,000 years ago? What's so bizarre about not
wasting one's time, money and health on alcohol and cigarettes? Why should that
bother you if someone else chooses not to get involved in those kinds of things?
I think you are missing the point here - despite Al Gore's alleged personal
failings, the Church considers environmentalism a valid concern. It is part of
our stewardship over the earth to take good care of it, and Church leaders are
willing to meet with those who share similar goals.
As I have been sitting here wasting fifteen minutes of my life, I cant help but
think who are some of you people? First, Al Gore requested the meeting
with the leaders of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Second, for
some of you, what do you suppose Al Gore could every tell Prophets of God about
how the earth works? Third, for those who were around in 1971 you might have
read articles that warned of an impending ice age within 50 years. The world
could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age,
predicts NASA scientist. - the average temperature could drop by six
degrees...Same old stuff just a different spin. Yes, we need to be good
stewards of what has been given us as we have been told, whether it is our
families or whether it is the earth. Dont just rely on the mainstream
media for your information. Read as much as you can.Please, for some of
you, dont get caught up in this new religious man made hysteria. Stay focused on