Yes, Sen. Buttars should resign. I'm amazed that the LDS Church allows Buttars
(a member in good standing) to keep flushing their expensive PR efforts down the
toilet. Every time he opens his mouth, those "Family, isn't it about time?" PR
ads get flushed.
Only in the regressive mind set of Utah do you have a politician who is this
bigotted and idiodic. Shameful and even more so he was electec by the minions
here 3 times.
"This generation is as corrupt as the generaton... that crucified Christ; and if
He were here today, and shuld reach the same doctrine He did thenj, they would
put Him to death."Buttars is no Christ but Jesus was not afraid to
speak the truth and was too harsh for the people who he chstised and warned.
whether you agree with his comments or not, he has the right to say them. he was
duly elected in his district by the people. maybe the electorate in his district
agree with him? he should not resign because he stated a belief and one that the
people who elected him obviously share. they are entitled to be represented even
if others disagree with their views.
Does the Human Rights Campaign want every insensitive remark by every loose
cannon "condemned" by the speaker. What is your threshold for condemnation, just
remarks about homosexuality? The speaker has enough to do so let the voters in
Buttars district carry that burden. We may not agree, but that's democracy.
Senator Buttars is entitled to his opinions, and he has the right to express
them.Or, is that something that can only be done if you are gay,
lesbian, or whatever?If anything, the hate speech is coming from
those who are out to demonize Buttars.
Resign? Strip him of one of his committe chairs? This is what happens when we
use our freedom of speech? Fantastic! Here we go socialism. What a joke. All of
the other leaders need to take his example and instead of pandering to people
speak what they feel. Agree or disagree with his comments, these knee-jerk
reactions scoff at our right to freedom of speech.
UTAH Greatest Hate on Earth
You are a weak and powerless individual. You had the opportunity to rid us of
this bigoted menace, and you did not.Free speech is one
thingcontinued tirades against groups not of your own religious beliefs, and
offensive to almost all who hear it, is another.The Utah Senate is
an embarrassment to ALL Americans, and YOU Sir, are the leader.What
a sorry state of affairs you have condoned and perpetuated.Mike in
Sen. Buttars needs to take a class on how to be tactful. His comments were not
appropriate and he should be forced to account for them. It is ok to disagree
and should be, free speach is a God given right, but respect for the individuals
involved should always be maintained. That said, the Gay Rights
folks need to really re-evaluate where they stand. Historicaly it has been
rather bad for a culture once homosexuality becomes an openly accepted norm and
the culture has had to change to accept it. Look at ancient Greece and Rome both
if you want examples. I have no problem with people being gay, they have a right
to their privacy and should not be discriminated against in at work or in
general. Marriage in its traditional sense is a contract between
people of different genders and always has been. If Gay people want to enter
into a civil union and call it marriage then go for it but to toss 4000 years of
proper social tradition down the toilet to appease a vocal minority is just
outright wrong. Marriage needs to be protected but not by folks like
Waddoups was inept during the news conference. Removing Buttars from the
judiciary committee was a beginning - but not enough!Too little,
Regarding Cris Buttars, what ever happened to:"I may disagree with what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
Buttars just needs to go away. No man with this much hatred for his fellow man
should serve in the legislature.
Free Speech is just fine as long as these guys say only what leadership deems
OK. Let the guy speak. How else will you learn how stupid he is? Punishing him
for his views is a gestapo/communist tactic.
Buttars is the Utah LDS Gift that keeps on giving.
To Sen Pres Waddoups,You are a weak and powerless individual. You had the
opportunity to rid us of this bigoted menace, and you did not.Free
speech is one thingcontinued tirades against groups not of your own religious
beliefs, and offensive to almost all who hear it, is another.The
Utah Senate is an embarrassment to ALL Americans, and YOU Sir, are the
leader.What a sorry state of affairs you have condoned and
Mr. Buttars is a clearly someone who likes to get attention through use of
hyperbole, and he is surely no gentleman, but why should he be expected to
resign? Doesn't he have the right to express his opinion, even if the opinion
is almost laughably myopic? The man was elected by a majority of his
constituents, and ultimately, if he reflects their views are they not entitled
to his continued representation?And since I also enjoy the same
liberty to speak my mind as Mr. Buttars, I'd like to say that if you're a person
who believes that homosexuality is as dangerous to your family and home as
suicide bombers and airplane hijackers, please stay down there in West Jordan.
slap on the wrist is better than nothing, I suppose. But I still think the slime
ball should resign his seat then he can exercise his "free speech" all he
What a shame that the energy this sad, pathetic man puts into hatred can't be
put to some good use.
In order for the mormons to get their freedom, they had to congregate and find
their own place that they could be the majority. I suggest the same to the
gays. Leave, become the majority, and have it your way. Leave the rest of us
alone. Until you can have the majority, you will never win. Thank goodness.
Yes he should resign. He is in a position to represent the people of West
Jordan/South Jordan and Utah. His actions are embarassing and disgraceful to all
of us. Free speech is welcome and a guaranteed right in our country. however,
blatent discrimination is not going to go excused.
He was stripped of the chairmanship before, and he is still doing the same
things. The Senate leadership will just put him right back in as chairman after
the next election. Whats the point?
There's not one reason that society should allow hateful comments by someone
like Buttars, especially if he is a representative of the people. He needs a
filter in his brain between what he thinks and what he says. Many of the older
generation in this country are bigoted and hateful. Hopefully as they die off,
citizens will be more understanding and kind. Society isn't going to crumble
because of gay people, it's going to crumble because of hatred.
It's frustrating that when a member or even possible member of the church speaks
his views are immediately construed as the views of the church in whole. The
church speaks for itself. Secondly, while Buttars comments may have been harsh,
why is he being called to resign when radical members of the gay community have
never been called upon to apologize for terrorist threats, boycotts, and
demonstrations. If you are going to extend 'free speech' to one group, then
don't deny it to another.
Good! I'm glad he lost one chairmanship. How about ousting him from the Health
and Human Services committee too? Buttars is making news around the nation!
FREE SPEECH DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE FREE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR
Re: To Wadoups - Mike in Sandy"Free speech is one thingcontinued tirades
against groups not of your own religious beliefs, and offensive to almost all
who hear it, is another."Free speech is exactly that, the right to
say offensive things and do offensive things, even burn the flag of the country
that gives you the right to do so.Shame on you - America's free
speech is one of its most important rights.
Great, Sen Buttars gets removed from the Judicial Committee long after the
sensitive Common Ground bills have been rushed, rerouted, buried, defamed, and
pre-judged by the Rules and Judicial committees he controls.Given
Buttars long history of killing hate crimes protections for gays, his ugly
rhetoric and distortion of gays and lesbians from the floor of the Capital, and
his opposition to anything remotely gay related, his removal from one committee
means absolutely nothing. I was stunned by Waddoups statement of
support for Buttars. It was the epitome of an insincere non-apologetic apology.
I doubt gays and lesbians will ever get a fair hearing in this legislative
Typical political reaction.
So...what would have happened if he said Jews were ruining the country? Women
who work outside the home? The elderly? People who get married and don't raise
children? Male nurses? Non-vegetarians? Blacks? Whites? Asians?Which
of those breach free speech?
To compare Butters to Christ is amazing to me. Christ spoke about love. Christ
offered hope to the downtroddened. Where Christ comdemned, it was to the leaders
of the society at the time. It was the city rulers and church officials who shut
out the average citizens from worshipping and living as they pleased. He
associated with tax collectors, harlots, and other dreggs of society and didn't
condemn them. So Butters is no Christ.As for his free speech. There
are many people in our society that don't really have free speech because of
their positions. Teachers are one group but government leaders are another
group. When they speak and spread hate, then need to suffer the consequences of
their free speech because their speech incites people unlike a private citizen's
who is just spouting their mind. He should lose his position of
leadership and if he continues to spu hate, he should lose his senate seat.
If you agree with what I say.... then everything is okay and I can remain in
good standing in my position.But.... heaven forbid I disagree with
you.... then I should lose my position????Doesn't really make sense.
WE all have our opinions, and seems like lately, only the liberals can express
their opitions without any problems!! HUH????
...How many Buttars apologists would be singing the same "Free Speech" tune if a
State official called Mormonism a great threat to our country, likened unto
terrorists. And I wonder if these folks are the same folks who demonized
Huckabee for his comments on Mormons?
The senator isn't a prophet. But when someone speaks the truth, especially as
taught by Jesus people all over, even in the church are ready to stone them. A
mighty cleansing came in Noah's time. Think of Sodom and Gormorrah, our day is
more wicked than they, or how about Jerusalem in Lehi's day. What makes anyone
think that we are different in God's eye than they. A mighty cleansing will come
again. We have the foretelling of that in the scriptures. As the prophets have
always said, the world needs to repent of its wicked ways or be destroyed. What
did people in Noah's, Lot's or Lehi's day say when they were told to repent and
be righteous. What did they think as the destruction began? Do you think they
recognized the signs before the total destruction or did they just go on their
merry way listening to the talking heads of their day? The truth can cut you to
the quick, and sting. That's called guilt, and the need for repentance. Will you
be any different than they?
Marriage is between the Two Poeple who choose to get married.It's not the State,
Chruch or the Government business. I would like to ask 1 question. How does any
other person marriage affect mine? It don't. America is now a Melting Pot. We
need to Love and let live. The Bible asked us to love thy neighbor. What about
JUDGE NOT. Live the Christian way and let God do the Judgeing. Think about it.
Sen. Buttars stated his personal opinion which is his Constitutional right. He
has the courage to say what the silent majority are afraid to given they have
been beaten into submission by the logical fallacy of political correctness. The
gay movement is less about actual homosexual sex than it is about brute force
power to destroy Americans' First Amendment rights (speak one's mind and worship
as one pleases) and the moral fiber of our communities. It's an irony that those
who claim to be most tolerant usually stand for nothing except for the twisting
of the virtues of tolerance and compassion (which incidentally have boundaries
and when violated they are undermined, ineffective and the situation is as if
they were never invoked). Their "high road" is built on a shakey foundation, at
best. It is sad to see consistently their name calling which betrays their
ignorance of history and the consequences of their own destructive behaviors
which they demand society embrace.
He has the right to say these things, but doesn't he have to face the
consequences. Geeze you people are idiots!
claim that he's being Christ-like!! From what I was taught and what I firmly
believe, God and Christ love UN-conditionally. I'm sure Christ wasn't afraid to
speak his mind, but I HIGHLY doubt he went around putting people down and
calling them terrorists just because they weren't "following his word". At least
Christ knew that you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar!!
Buttars is a hurtful, hateful person and it's sad that he's actually got people
that follow and believe the way he does. The church should be ashamed to even
keep his membership. He is representing them, locally and globally, with his
idiotic views and the garbage that he spews... and they teach people to be
What a country. You now get punished and vilified for speaking the truth. Wow,
what's next. The degenerate, perverted scoundrals have taken over and have now
become the self-proclaimed high ground.
The great punishers have struck again.Death to all who oppose the Gay
agenda!!!!Rudy, the rump ranger
I find the fact that this man is getting so lambasted for speaking his mind is
ridiculous and unfair. Just becuase its against popular opinion does not mean he
does not have a right to his own opinion. When did, we, as a free country come
to the point where only the popular opinion was allowed to spoken and shared
freely? I don't particularly agree with Buttars but we live in a country we
EVERYONE gets to speak their mind.
We live in America, Right? what about all the hateful things said by homosexuals
during the prop 8 fiasco about Mormons. and it was a fiasco. they can say
things, but buttars cant? what a joke. there is 2 standards i see here. one for
gays and one for those of us that are not. i lost all respect for gay rights
when church buildings and church temples were vandilized. please please go back
in the closet!!!!
Thank you Senator Buttars for standing up for what is right despite all the
pressure. You are a great man and I stand behind you 100%. Hang in there.You gays can sure dish it out, but you can't take it.
I am really tired of the hypocrasy that abounds in the blogs. It is not ok for
Senator Buttars to say what he said but it is perfectly fine for the homosexual
community to picket the workplaces and residences of people who supported Prop
8. I am personally aware of a young couple in San Francisco who supported Prop
8 by making monitary contributions. The Homosexual community elected to picket
both of their places of employment, calling them by name. Now the wife is being
punished for her support of Prop 8 by those she works with. They won't have
anything to do with her. Come on people, if the Homosexual community can be so
ruthless, what is wrong with what Senator Buttars did. My point is, if you
can't take it, then don't dish it out. If you don't like what Buttars said,
they you need to reevaluate what you are doing because it isn't any less
bigoted. You are a bunch of hypocrits. The only right that I have that you
don't have is the right to marriage and I hope you never get it.
hey des news commenter idiots...yes you can have free speech - but try telling
your boss what you really think of him and see if there aren't any
repercussions....Buttars is a representative of the state and should be fired if
Sure, Chris Buttars is entitled to his right to free speech.He is
also entitled to the consequences of his free speech.
I assure you as a fellow citizen of Sandy that your views do not reflect the
majority of your neighbors. Both our Republican senator and representative were
replaced in November (as were several of our neighboring leaders) due to Sandy's
disgust of the inaction taken by our R leaders to the unbecoming behaviors of
some R legislators. When inaction to these behaviors takes places all Rs suffer
and we lose elected officials (many of whom were sacrificed as a result). I
say, Thank you President Waddoups!! You are the exact opposite of weak and
powerless. I appreciate the courage and strength.Kate in Sandy
Thank you dj for saying it so nicely and I think you hit it right on point. You
brought out several good points that everyone would be well to consider as we
all take part in deciding our future leaders and social well being. Democracy
is a wonderful thing but only if people will take the time to express their
thoughts and beliefs. However, Tact should always be a must or you find, like
in this case, the "attempt" to address a problem only created another one that
draws more attention away from the real problem.
...Buttars is the only one to do it.
Buttars is right.If I were in his district I would vote him in again.We would do well in America to vote based on morals and values instead of the
appearance and polish of the candidate, so-called political correctness or fear
of a vocal minority. Shame on those that punish Buttars for standing for truth
Des News, why don't you state all the facts that Buttars was set up by a gay
activist film maker, who has lived a past life of lies.
I'd like to commend Senator Waddoups for handling a very difficult
circumstance as best he could. I'm glad he made clear that the
removal of Senator Buttars from the chairmanship was in the best interests of
the Senate overall, to keep that committee from distraction and to "free"
Senator Buttars, but is not to be considered a punishment. Senator
Buttars' way of expressing himself can be bombastic at times and his
overzealousness on certain topics can be a distraction at the legislature, but
he is definitely entitled to his right to free speech, and it would be a serious
tragedy if the Republican Party caved to agreeing that only pc speech is allowed
in the free marketplace of ideas. It's up to Senator Buttars'
CONSTITUENTS to determine if his "antics" make him undesirable for service.
Apparently, for good or ill, they voted him in regardless.
Some would demand that God apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. What would they do
if God refused? Impeach Him.I am so sick of all the gay complaining
that I am beginning to think that they ended up in the closet in the first place
because they wouldn't shut up.
Butters didn't COMPARE gays to terrorists, he simple said gays were the GREATER
threat to America. See how gays twist words. A country is always more
vulnerable from within. Now the man has exercised his free speech and lost his
chairmanship and respect. Gays are also calling for his job. The leader of the
Senate is now being threatened for not removing Butters. Is this still
America??? Some would have anyone punished that dissagreed with their idealogy.
Now that Waddoups has removed Butters, no one will have the courage to speak
their mind anymore. We cannot beat a path to socialism fast enough for some
Sen. Buttars has every right to state his beliefs. Nothing Sen. Buttars said
was false. I still believe in Freedom of Speech, even though it is dead in
Buttars should lose much more than his chairmanship.
I'm a little concerned by all the referals to the LDS religion. I am not a
practicing mormon but the majority of my family and friends are. Buttars is not
an example of a mormon. He is an example of an angry, ill mannered individual.
Not all mormons feel the way he expresses himself, and if they do they do not
express it in a negative way. I stand up for my beliefs and voice them but do it
in a constructive respectful way. Why should Buttars have some entitlement card
to bring so much negativity to the community. We expect those is the public eye
to be a positive example, Buttars but no means protrays community union or
peaceful solutions. I'm glad he is gone, and I feel sorry for those who have to
relate with him day to day.
I don't understand. It's ok to hurt people, call them 'un american', boycott
their businesses, send them fake powder, and list all supporter names so the
whole LGBT community can know if they don't support gay rights, but if one
Senator makes an off color remark mirroring his frustrations, frustrations his
district apparently agrees with due to his reelection, suddenly the world blows
The intolerance of those preaching tolerance continues to amaze. Sen. Buttars
is clearly within his rights to say whatever he wants to about whatever he wants
to. The calls for his censure and removal are Orwellian and totalitarian. I am
offended by much of what the gay community has done and said in the aftermath of
Prop 8. When will they just shut up and sit down?
>> House Majority Leader Kevin Garn, R-Layton, said: "Chris is a good man and a
good legislator, he's spent his career serving kids (as the retired director of
the Utah Boys Ranch)."But he has a hard time controlling what he
Is right, the hatred of the gay alliance for themselves, their country and
anyone who disagree's with them is what is making our country crumble. They are
like a predator who does not know when people say no they mean no!! Prop 8 said
Thank you Chris, for saying what many of us believe.
I thought we as Americans had the freedom to believe as our conscience dictated?
To condemn Sen. Buttars is wrong. If you don't like what he is saying, then
don't vote for him in the next election. Why try to destroy someone who doesn't
believe as you do??? To me, THAT is un-American!
Way to be evasive and cowardly, Waddoups. You and Buttars are disgusting.
Sen. Waddoups lost a good opportunity to stand by the Consitutional principle of
free speech and not respond to public clamor from a radical, small segment of
society. Notice how the grousing by the emotional midgets on this site is
completely intolerant, hateful, and even espousing violence against Waddoups.
You are completely unhinged and your words betray your true colors - tolerance
and promotion of a high-risk lifestyle, but HATE toward anyone who has the
fortitude to stand up for principles. I recall dealing with your type in
elementary school: the biggest cry babies in the school yard whining until you
wore others down until you got your way.
I hope gays and lesbians make no traction in this state. We don't want you here.
Haven't you figured that out yet? Go somewhere else.There is no
reason this man should receive any retribution. He has a right to speak his
mind. If someone doesn't like it then they don't have to vote for him. I find it
refreshing to hear a politician call it like it is without sugar coating it with
a bunch of PC garbage. This man continues to win reelection because he
represents the views of his constituency. GOOD JOB SENATOR BUTTARS!
He should be reinstated! This action is too little, too late. I agree, it should
have been said 20 years ago as the Gays started to emerge from the closet. The
LGBT effort will indeed be a vice by which a free society will eventually draw
to a close. There is no hate in that, just plain truth. Unfortunately, Even
Mecham learned that part of being a politician is saying things in such a way
that you whittle down your political adversaries over the long term, not cutting
their jugular in a single day. It is all about being prudent. In Butters case,
it is all about his lack of prudence. On the other hand, one could argue that
the reason we are in this mess with the LGBT groups now is because people have
been too politicized to speak up in times past. Our time is now over, there's is
beginning. Put your armor on and get ready.
Every time I say something that my husband doesn't want to hear and knows that
what I am saying is right he tells me to 'Shut up'.Buttars is doing
the same thing and those who don't agree with him are forcing him to 'shut
up'.Evil is not good nor is good evil.
To Mike in Sandy: Waddoups did all that he could legally do. He can't kick Sen.
Buttars out of the Senate- he was elected by the people of his district and the
only way to remove him if he doesn't resign is the impeach him. Since what he
said wasn't illegal, there are no grounds for impeachment. (You clearly didn't
pay attention in your required government class in high school!) That said,
even though the Political Correct Police were outraged, Buttars did nothing
illegal, he merely exercised a cherished right of the USA of Freedom of Speech,
guaranteed by our founding Fathers from the very beginning of our existance.
You don't have to agree with him, but you absolutely should agree that he has
the right to say what he believes. If we choose to censor everyone we don't
agree with, then we'll find ourselves also censored because someone else won't
agree with our point of view. Mike- i think you better take a refresher course
Did you really say the Utah is the "greatest hate on earth"? When Buttars flies
an airplane loaded with civilians into a skyscraper, I'll agree with you.
It continually amazes me that Freedom of Speech rights are becoming more and
more restricted to political correctness and what conforms to the twisted and
perverted views of the minority.Twenty years ago one of the great LA
Dodger radio announcers was fired and thrown off the air because he made a
common reference to a star Black athlete as being something different than
intended. And now it continues. Any word that even hints of being against the
gay community is now a hate crime.I don't like Buttars, nor do I
think his comments are politically correct. But then, so what?? Since when did
'political correctness' override First Ammendment rights known as 'Freedom of
Speech'?The Gay and Lesbian community have their own agenda.
Anything ever said against their agenda, or ever said against their lifestyle,
or ever said against their perception of 'moral appropriateness' is now shouted
from the roof tops as "insensitive", "bigoted" and/or "a violation of their
rights". They (the Gay and Lesbian community) however feel their freedom of
speech extends to denegrating every church, every group, every person that ever
resists their agenda. What a travesty, and we all allow it to
I learn more about the LDS from reading comments in the DN than I ever could
from taking lessons from missionaries. Jesus Christ should sue you
to have His name removed from any association from your hateful and intolerant
This isnt the only time Buttars has said hatefull and racial comments. I am live
in West Jordan and I did not vote for him. I am appaled that people voted to
keep him in office. I hope he truly does not represent the views of my
neighbors. If so I need a new place to live. I dont necisarily support gay
marriage, however I dont feel any hate towards people that live life different
from me and certianly not people of different race and religion. He is a
hatefull man and I hope he resigns, or impeached.
Buttars has every right to say what he did. I hope he stays in office and keeps
speaking his mind and is re-elected to office again. Buttars and Ruzicka are the
best gift that Equality Utah could ever hope for. If anything, Buttars and
Ruzicka are accelerating equal rights and I personally want to thank them for
their efforts how ever misguided.
The more PC way to say it is. The Gay ACTIVISTS, are a threat to America and
terrorist group. Example, Once Prop 8 won, the activists attacked Christians
throughout the country, burned Churches and Physically threatened little old
ladies and sent white powder to LDS Church HQ and temples. Now if these are not
terrorist actions, please help under stand what are.
Buttars is a guy who needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut.However, he was elected and his constiuents want him to be there. He has a
right to stay in office until his constituents decide to vote him out.
Senator Buttars DID NOT:1. Label all who support gay marriage bigoted
haters.2. Distribute the names of those against Prop. 8.3. Boycott
businesses owned by opponents of Prop. 8.4. Label anyone's religion as
bigoted.5. Destroy anyone's property.6. Desecrate anyone's holy
shrine.7. Destroy anyone's livelihood through boycotts.8. Target
innocent relatives and employees of supporters of Prop. 8.9. Undermine
America's political processes by filing suit against the will of the people.10. Become so militant in his opinions as to strike fear in the community. All of the above were done by those Senator Buttars has labeled
(correctly) as a dangerous threat to our country's well-being.
Waddoups, and all the rest of you who want Senator Buttars denied his rights to
free speech, ought to be ashamed of your sorry, un-American response to someone
with the courage of his convictions. I'm ashamed that you besmirch the state in
which we live!
We should all be nervous about our own freedom of speech now. Once again the
gay community shows their true colors by whining and demanding someone lose
their job because that person disagrees with their perverted lifestyle. Shame
on the gay community at Channel 4 and Reed Cowan who did not fully disclose to
Senator Buttars what the story was really about.I will NEVER accept
what homosexuals do as normal. It's scary when you can't even voice that anymore
with out the hateful gays vandalizing and protesting your place of worship and
work. I will continue to voice my beliefs, no, it's not hate, just the strong
belief that one man and one woman should be married.
Buttars is arguing a case for morals. His opinion of good morals differs from
some. Gays take it as a personal attack against their lifestyle. Buttars views
their lifestyle as a potential threat to the society that he has been accustomed
to. Both sides have a difficult fight in front of them.What side
should back down? Take Buttars lack of tact out of it? Should he back down on
his beliefs of what creates a better country?If he doesn't back
down, does that mean he hates?
In my humble opinion, dj shows the most sensitivity and wisdom in his/her
approach to this question. Sen. Buttars strikes me as arrogant in his approach
to this question. But there are many out there who think they ought to be able
to say anything they want to and about Latter-day Saints and others who want to
preserve traditional marriage--no matter how meanspirited and bigoted their
remarks--and yet condemn LDS who are exercising and human and civil right that
has been much longer recognized throughout history than a right to same-gender
marriage (which despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, has not been
recognized as a civil or human right).
One more thought: As for "Free Thinker" above, I don't find much freedom in
his/her thinking. To suggest that attitudes such as Buttars' exist only in Utah
shows a pretty narrow perspective and field of experience. I've just moved back
to Utah a little over a year ago after 25 years out of state (including 15 years
in five Western European countries) and I have found just as many right-wing
narrowminded bigots in other societies--even among the supposedly enlightened
Europeans--as I have met here. In fact, in parts of the Southern US, even more.
Free Thinker seems to be looking for a chance to jump on the locals. The fact
that Utah is mostly Republican, for good or ill, doesn't mean Utahns are all a
bunch of extremist bigots. I find a few here, like anywhere, (Is Buttars one?
Who knows?) but overall I find in Utah a lot of moderate people of goodwill and
Tiger,"It is not ok for Senator Buttars to say what he said but it
is perfectly fine for the homosexual community to picket the workplaces and
residences of people who supported Prop 8."Apparently there is a
different standard for those who feel that they can harass Prop. 8 supporters at
their homes and places of employment yet they feel that it was wrong for Buttars
to call them names in an interview."I am personally aware of a young
couple in San Francisco who supported Prop 8 by making monitary contributions.
The Homosexual community elected to picket both of their places of employment,
calling them by name."Maybe the young couple should have gotten
together with a group of friends, found out who they were and then went after
them at their places of work but then they would cry foul and scream about how
they are being discriminated against and how the young couple are homophobes for
targeting gays at their work in an effort to punish them for trying to force the
majority to grant gay marriage.At least Buttars wasn't outside of
their homes trying to punish them for daring to vote.
The gays hate anyone that will not accept their life style and attack anyone
that is aginst them. No one has courage to stand up to them now. Where is the
free speech? Gays say what they want against the LSD church and there is no
backlash agaist them.Yet Buttars says something and it is the end of
the world, and they put on a full court press to silence him.
Interesting. Thirty years ago these same words would have put Chris Buttars in
the overwhelming majority opinion. Now, in this day of an "enlightened"
society, it gets the man a modern day equivelant of a lynching. Are
we any better off now than we were three or four decades ago? Then homosexuals
feared to reveal their sexual behavior. Now, straight people fear to reveal
that they find homosexuality repulsive. It seems we are still prejudiced. We
have just picked a different group to hate. It really doesn't sound that
enlightened after all.
Yes, we are free to speek our opinions. But, There are also consequences that we
have to face when we exercise this "right" in some crazy manner. Being stripped
of chairmanships that will be restored the next time they are divied out is not
facing the consequences. Every time Buttars opens his mouth, the
state gains a handful of democrats. I say keep him there. He lets the rationale
people of the state know just how out of touch our Republican legislators are
with mainstream Utah.
Senator Buttars is being crucified for his statements on a single issue and his
head is being demanded by a special interest group. No one has mentioned how
skilled he is as a leader in upholding his oath of office (honoring the U.S. and
State Constitution), his knowledge of economics, history, political philosophy,
law, etc., and his character virtues. All of these things define a statesman.
The current firestorm shows that the gay rights movement is THE SPECIAL INTEREST
GROUP that wants him out on (Freudian slip), and anyone else who dares stand up
to their agit/prop (Soviet tactic) marketing machine that rivals that of
Microsoft's. We need statesmen like Buttars, NOT like Waddoups who is playing to
the rainbow crowd.
I'm disappointed that the homosexual community has been bowed down to here. What
ever happened to free speech? If you don't agree with what someone says, fine.
Disagree. But should we demand that if somebody doesn't candy-coat everything
they say, that we will not let them do the job we asked them to do?In the days of the American Revolution, if we'd had this mentality, Patrick
Henry would have been thrown out of public service for his "Give me liberty..."
It's a sad day when anti-homosexuality comments trump a persons career in
politics. What he said is the truth. Have we become such sensitive wusses that
we can't take a person's opinion. Tomorrow this would be old news had the
liberal media just let it go. I can't stand the gay activists and will forever
vote against anything that gives them any rights as long as they take our right
to our opinon away. This is ridiculous. Buttars did nothing wrong.
It's unfortunate that the loss of his committee chair positions is seen simply
as punishment. Rather it's perfectly proper that Buttars lose his committee
chair positions, as he has clearly demonstrated an incapacity to engage in the
kind of civil discourse that it is the job of a committee chair to ensure takes
places during any legislative committee's deliberations. And given that last
year he showed utter indifference to the basic ethics relating to legislative
oversight of the judiciary - and had to be removed from the same chairmanship -
it's simply necessary once again.I doubt that Buttars has any idea
as to why his comments are as offensive as they are, just as he really didn't
get how truly disgraceful his black, ugly baby comments were last year. The guy
is simply incapable of understanding how his words affect others. But, as for apologies, it's neither Waddoups' job to apologize for Buttars,
nor would anybody believe it if Buttars were to apologize. He's simply too
thick-headed or - as Mascaro seems to be implying - senile - to get it.
Oh Utah, you deserve him.
To the Pres. of the Senate: Why do allow people to control you like a puppet?
Cause that's what they're doing. God gave you a brain and the power to reason
and think with it so why don't you?I'm so glad that Chris Buttars
isn't going to bend over and kiss the gay community's butt like the other gov.
officials are. Glad to hear that he isn't going to apologize cause they really
don't deserve one at all. The gays want to make everybody their little puppets
to do as they want or else they will make life miserable for you, glad that
Buttars can see right thru them - to bad the others' can't.
Jesus was crucified for telling the sinners the truth and they hated him- Not
much difference here!!
Let the first gay who is without sin cast the firststone!
Oh Chris, All this judgment, unkindness, and ill wishes for just
being who you are. That must really feel bad to be judged and to be
expected to change into someone totally opposite from who God made you.Hmm, how ironic.
I wholeheartedly disagree with Sen. Buttars comments. I believe the LDS church
should be more welcoming to the homosexual.
It's so interesting that the LDS Church sanctions a BYU student for a calendar
but continues to allow hate spewing Buttars and torture memo drafter Jay Bybee
to continue to serve as members. So much for real moral leadership!
Yeah Buttars!!! You are my hero!!! I am changing my slogan fro "WWJD" to "WWBD"
Waddoups is a coward, as are his peers in the Senate. He and others, including
John Valentine, have had plenty of opportunities to reduce Buttars' influence in
the legislative process; but they have been unwilling to make the hard decisions
they were elected to make. Our legislature deserves the buffoon-like
characterization given it of late. When will this kind of garbage end?
thanks goodness for karma
DJ, thank you for your thoughtful post. I echo your sentiments. Traditional
marriage should be defended, and I'm happy for Buttars' standing up for his
values.However, I'm also happy that the senate leadership took
appropriate action, since Buttars' comments were not just "politically
incorrect" but pointed and hurtful. He should NOT be the voice of conservatism
in the state.Still, I'm disappointed with the Des News reporting.
They make it seem like all Democrats are aligned with those for same-gender
marriage, which just plain isn't true. I just don't understand where all the
socially conservative Democrats went. We exist too!
You make an excellent point! It does seem hypocritical, doesn't it . . . .
I think everyone agrees that Sen. Buttars can say whatever he wants under
freedom of speech. However, his political party can strip him of leadership
positions also. That is within the rights and rules of the party. The entire
Senate also has the right to impeach him and expel him if they so choose to do
so.If someone threatened to harm Sen. Buttars or tried to convict
him of a crime for saying what he believes, his rights would then be
violated.As far as the Prop 8 people, why do you think they should
just shut up? Don't they have the constitutional right to express their
thoughts also? You have the right to disagree with them and counter their
"speech" with your "speech". But, neither of you can force the other to be
silent.By the same token, Buttars can continue saying what he
thinks. He just needs to be aware that others will respond.
The shoe is being put on the wrong foot! It is not Buttars who should be
apologizing, but gays. It is gays who directly cause the deaths and associates
costs from AIDS. It is gays that are the oppressors; attacking healthy families
with perversion.Buttars can say what he wants. He lives in America.
Clinton perverted the oval office. No one is telling him to shut up. He should.
He too is a plight to America.I teach numerous gays. They have, in
general, a hardened attitude unlike kind people. I don't need it nor their
sexual perversion. STOP gays (who are anything but) from spreading death via
inappropriate sex. That is all they are about; inappropriate sex, nothing else.
Sheri Dew's new book title, "Saying It Like It Is" sparks the mental thought
that to be willing to stand up and tell it the way it is an admirable trait. Unfortunately for his political career, Chris Buttars agrees. His
comments (taken in or out of context) state one UNARGUABLE fact: Today's gays
and lesbians are intent on changing the historic moral fabric of society.Though he may have said it softer, nicer, more carefully, or with a
political correctness slant--the FACT REMAINS. What he said is the truth--they
ARE INTENT on FORCING this change on society.This will be Buttar's
legacy: Stand for moral principles, speak the truth, and suffer
politically for it. (But he at least took a stand. Most are content
to bury their heads in the sand, or more stupidly, jump on the amoral
Now there goes his ability to get "Merry Christmas" passed, with all the
problems in the state, the knuckle heads on the hill are spending to much time
on gay rights and Merry Christmas.
I believe he said some not all ack like Muslim radicals ...well talk to those
who supported # 8 in California and see how many of the Gay supporters threaten
people with physical violence and the loss of their employment because they
participated in the democratic process. It appears to me that the only thing
Butters did wrong was to be more thoughtful than those who would force their way
of life on others through violence and threats. All butters did was give his
opinion not call for violence and boycotts.
If this guy had said "Anyone who does not look like me (race issue), worship
like me(religion issue), or wear blue socks (just as valid as orientation and
the other reasons to hate are) is a threat to society and should be deported or
jailed. They would be a threat to Christ if he were here today!" Would you folks
still call it "Freedom of Speech" or would that be enough to call it bigotry and
hate speech? What he said could be taken as a call to violent action by some of
the radicals out there who still believe it's their "right" to violently oppose
anyone who does not conform. Sad.
To KNOWwhat @ 10:28am: you are absolutely right. Buttars was set up and lied to
by Reed Cowan. Who decided to come out of the closet about what he really is.
So this mess is Cowan's fault cause he just doesn't know how to be honest with
anyone. I used to respect him, but not anymore, not because of his life style
that's his private business, but because he's a liar and it seems he doesn't
care who he hurts.
Attention, Mormons of Utah: the problem here is that Buttars only vocalizes what
many of you believe. I worked in the South during civil rights days, and
listening to Mormons talk about gays reminds me of hearing Mississippi rednecks
talk about black people -- lots of nonsensical rationalization for a position
that is immoral and inhuman.Sooner or later, you must realize -- or
be forced by political realities to realize -- that your religion-inspired views
on gay people are morally wrong and socially unacceptable in a society that
values equal rights.The demise of the Common Ground initiative has
shown Mormons to be hypocrites when they claimed they only oposed gay marriage,
not other civil rights for gays.So keep up folks -- until the
contempt of the world and of civilized humans prompts your prophet to have a
revelation about gays like the one in 1978 about black people.Until
then, Utah continues its uncanny ability to appear in the national spotlight
like a state full of horses buttocks.
One can sure feel the HATE in many of the previous articles, as well as the
OUTRIGHT fabrication and double standards! The HATE and INTOLERANCE comes from
the gays, democrats and the many other mindless life forms. Who are these
mindless incompetent people HATE Bashing the LDS Church with story FABRiCATIONS?
Who are these HATE MONGERING BIGOTS trying to remove our First Amendment RIGHTS,
trying to FORCE disease ridden views on us? Given the corruption and moral
degeneration in other states, Why would we be stupid enough to follow them? I am
ashamed of Gov. Huntsman, the democrats and the gays, to think they stoop So low
and to resort to lying to get their message acrossed. The Utah government is
disgraceful to cave into terrorist along with the gays bigotry and HATE
MONGERING. Senator Buttats is the ONLY representive we have that tells the TRUTH
and the courage to do so. Make the gays accountable for their HATE bashing and
dishonesty. They are the criminals, not Senator Buttars!
There should be nothing wrong with Buttars stating his views...isn't that what
this democracy is all about? Our country is in a mess because of fear in
speaking our beliefs. Waddoups is a scared little man who stooped low to silence
an american who just shared his opinion. Many feel the same way as Buttars. If
we don't stand up for each other this country will indeed become socialistic
filled with obamaites and his deceiving thieves that are supporting him. Wake
up America...our freedoms are slowly dying away because we are afraid to express
our opinions and beliefs. Waddoups should be ashamed of himself and bravo to
Buttars..you will always have our support and prayers.
Buttars is guaranteed free speech by the constitution. However it's the gutless
legislators who are taking it away from him because the gay community has told
them what they need to do, and they're so spineless they're listening to them
and following orders. I've been interviewed on occasions and what
ultimately comes out has nothing to do with what I was interveiwed about. I
tell people not to believe too much of what they read or hear, because from my
experience it's tainted. You remember the saying that if 86% of
America believes in something, they should tell the other 14% to sit down and
shut up. Well, looks like Buttars was in the 86%, and from blogs the past couple
of days, alot agree with him. Well, the 14% have basically told all of us to sit
down and shut up, and looks like most (legislature) is doing it. Gays are
worried about what they'll lose - afraid they'll lose their jobs for being gay,
well they should be proud of themselves, because look who lost his job for
speaking his mind. He didn't say it was anyone else's opinion.
Who has said that it is OK to hurt people?Who has said that it is OK
to send people fake powder?Those two things are crimes and people
involved in those acts should be prosectued.But, as far as
boycotting businesses is concerned, this is not a crime. It is part of a
person's freedom to choose where he does business. I believe it is OK to
organize or participate in boycotts.As far as knowing who a
supporter of a movement is, the only reason this is known is if that supporter
makes a financial contribution because contributins are public domain. What's
wrong with listing the names of financial contributors to a political party or
Christ is Love. Those who have stated Christ loved all and hung out with
sinners are very correct. He did so. He associated with people who had done
all kinds of wrongs and loved them unconditionally. what you need
to stop and ask yourselves though is did he ever condone their actions? Did he
excuse their poor behavior? NO. He taught them how God wanted them to live. In
his words to the adultress, go and sin no more. He urges us to strive for
perfection. For some that may be overcoming homosexual urges. For others that
may be finding kinder, gentler ways of expressing themselves. Judge yourselves
as to what your weaknesses are and work to overcome them.To all of
us, whatever our sins be (homosexuality, unkind speech, porn addiction,
profanity, or whatever). Christ loves us all. He will always love you,
regardless of what you do. However, his words still apply. Go and sin no more.
Acknowledge your weakness and work to overcome them.
Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or
limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to
denote not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and
imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of speech
and freedom of expression are closely related to, yet distinct from, the concept
of freedom of thought or freedom of conscience. In practice, the right to
freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly
subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech". This is because exercising
freedom of speech always takes place within a context of competing values.
Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or
the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate
speech".Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or
social disapprobation. (CONT)
I just returned from the State Capitol. While there a few people (I think there
were 7) appeard in gags to defend Mr. Buttars. It appears that poor Mr. Buttars
has once again just been mis-understood. Why it's the GLBT community that cost
Mr. Buttars to lose his chairmanships, not the GOP leadership who made the
announcement. And he most certainly did not insult our black community last
year. (Just ask the NAACP on this one). How anyone can possibly defend the
actions of this individual is beyond me. He's an insult to the state of Utah
and to all of us.
Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite
violence or prejudicial action against a person or
group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality,
religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability,
ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color,
etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by
some as a liability. The term covers written as well as oral communication and
some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called
antilocution and is the first point on Allport's scale which measures prejudice
in a society.
Same gender folks are trying to fundamentally change our society - it is the
greatest threat to out nation
The fact that an ELECTED official could say these things and not be called to
the carpet is the issue.Had anyone said anything like this during the
movement for civil rights for African Americans or towards women or Latinos or
ANY other minority group in the nation, they would be summarily rejected and
dismissed from any and all positions of authority.That is the hypocracy,
not that the LGBT community is standing up and demanding their human rights as
Americans. I do not condone the actions of a small verbal group who have
aattacked proponents of Prop 8,and by the same token, none of us should condone
what the senator has said and done.To say an eye for an eye makes all of
Waddops just proved what a coward he is. He panders to a minute percentage of
the population. It is interesting that the pro gay groups can protest in front
of LDS Temples, and spew vile speech, then sent hate mail to those whose donated
to prop. 8, and the medias doesn't blink. But, Buttars makes some remarks of
what he believes and Waddops cowardly strips him of his position.You did
good Senator Buttars.
I didn't hear any gays apologize for the "Sweet Smiling Bigot" sign present
during their prop 8 protests directed at President Monson, so why should Buttars
apologize or face any retribution? The only people Buttars is
accountable to are his constituents. If they don't like him, they can vote him
out. You lose again gays, and you are in"flaming" your opposition.
It figures that he continues to have the support of the Senate.
I'm willing to attach my name to this, unlike many of you.Senator
Buttars is clearly a bigot. Does that make him unqualified to serve in the
state senate? Apparently not, as he was re-elected by his constituents even
though they knew full well what is in his heart. If they feel that his brand of
hate best represents them then they've gotten what they deserve.As
an active Mormon I'm surprised that so many of my fellow saints live in fear of
homosexuals. They are not out to convert anyone, harm children, or cause any
sort of mayhem. Comparing them to terrorists (another frequently overblown
threat, but at least a real one) shows a disconnect with reality.I
wonder how many that express opinions such as Senator Buttars has actually know
a gay person that they think is a terrorist. And by "know" I don't mean "can
name" I mean know on a first name basis, have been in their home, etc.We are often fearful of what we do not know. I urge those that would lash out
with hateful words to get to know those you are attacking first.
So, Buttars views are shared by many legislators, huh? No wonder Utah is the
laughing stock of the country when its legislator meets. What a terrible
embarrassment! I am a conservative, life-long Republican and former
state delegate whose parents taught me to disagree without being disagreeable.
I just can't see any reasonable excuse or explanation for Buttars' behavior.
How can the Utah Senate tolerate such repeated nonsense? And, the
gay rights activists are correct that such outlandish behavior drives more
people to the "middle" when it comes to their issues than it brings consensus
with Buttars's vies. So, his behavior is counterproductive to all
but the hard-core, right-wing, "we have the power and we'll do whatever we want"
people.Wow, do we need some balance in the politics of this state,
Ezra Taft Benson was once lambasted publicly for stating that "civil rights is
the Communist tool for deception." His words have proved to be prophetic,
indeed. The reasoning behind his statement was the degree to which the notion of
"civil rights" would be taken in society by unprincipled and self-serving
individuals, activist judges, and the Balkinization of society as a whole into
"groups," thus permitting the opening of Pandora's Box for most any movement
including the juggernaut of gay rights. It needs to be pointed out that Benson
was NOT against blacks having exactly the same rights as everyone else of the
era (something that some posters here will try to twist). He understood the
FAR-REACHING and OVERREACHING effects that such legislation "unbridled"
(unintended consequences) would take, including uprooting the moral pinnings and
Constitutional foundation of America to nefarious ends. Race baiters and
purveyors such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their shakedown tactics to
pad their own pockets are a case in point. Learn from history... we are
As I recall a month or so ago, Tom Hanks said some pretty un-American things
about Mormons. And by golly jeeprs was there an out cry from the Mormons. So
much for free speech there. But I guess free speech only counts when you agree
with what the other person is saying.
I was interested in the comments of Steve Mascaro. I don't think Chris is the
only one going over the falls in a barrel over issues surrounding homosexuals. I
remember another prominent politician becoming very frantic in a conversation I
had with him about the need to stop the "wave of homosexuality sweeping the
nation". He really believes that everyone is somehow going to turn gay. I'm not
sure why this issue is being elevated above issues like drug abuse, gang
violence, and any number of issue that need serious attention.It
almost seems that any kind of change on social attitudes makes these guys go
crazy. I saw it during the civil rights movement where the key issue seemed to
be social change being evil in and of itself, not what the social change was.It is a little sad to see this happening to someone who really has
served people well, especially in his direction of the Utah Boy's Ranch.
You people crying "free speech" would come down on him like a load of bricks
(like you did when a presidential candidate said unkind things about your
religious group) if he said something derogatory about YOUR group. I am in that
religious group and I am shocked he is still serving and you are defending
him.If he said EXACTLY what he said but replaced the word "gay" with
any other group you would be leading the charge.What public figures
and public servants say DOES matter and he should be held accountable.
In this latest blow against free expression in the public forum, Waddoups
and others have abused what should be very limited authority over one of the
Senate members. Regardless of whether speech offends sensitivities, it is still
protected. This is called freedom, for those who may have forgotten. Many
believe it is time to push back against the Gay agenda, which has gone too far.
Now apparently it not lawful to speak or act politically against it. Free
expression does have consequences, but Buttars was duly elected by his
constituency. They are the only ones who have the legitimate right to shut him
up by ballot, if they so choose. They haven't done so. By taking this action
Waddoups and others show that they misperceive the reality of the situation,
which is that the Senate as a body is not responsible for the conduct of its
individual members, and thus they have no right to constrain members in any way.
That right should be reserved to those who elect them.
"Homosexuality is wrong. Those who practice it are misguided."Now
how many people think I'm a hater? Should I resign from my job too?
Homosexuals should not be called "Gay". that is the ultimate insult to people
with that name.
Did anyone really expect this guy to resign!!These government
officials are above the law.Take a look at the recent national
appointments by our new president. Their wrong doings is more than
likely just the tip of the iceberg.Had the common working man forgot
to pay their taxes they would be in prison.Buttars...he is special
and he deserves special treatment!! Yes Sir!!RE: Greg | 10:27
a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 Buttars has morals and values...HONESTLY, get a
clue hero!!His move to let anyone teach..what is that!!Looks like he should put a bill up to let anyone legislate. Now
that would be morally correct!!
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, not just two people who want to be
together. It is the government's business, because it is they who sanction or
make the union legal. That's why those who perform marriages have to be
licensed by whatever state they perform said marriages in. Hence, only certain
persons can perform the marriage cermony. Simple enough?
The thing I found interesting about Buttars comment is that he seems to think
that morality is what stops most men from having sex with other men. I
personally don't need any moral authority to tell me that I am not interested in
having sex with a man. It just isn't my thing. Does Buttars really think there
are a bunch of men out there who would want to have sex with guys all the time
if it wasn't looked down on so much by society?
Waddoups was wrong to strip Buttars' committee membership. All this PC garbage
from the goobernator's office is sickening. How is it possible that that
goobernator has any positive approval rating at all? Hurray for Buttars. Keep it
Pharisees didn't like what Jesus said, either. So, they crucified him. How hypocritical that immoral speech is defended and protected but moral
speech is punished and driven out. The prophesy that Salt Lake City
would be numbered among the wicked cities of the world is now being fulfilled.
I hope this falls on the head of those who did this to Buttars.
This discussion about free speech is interesting, with both sides commenting on
whether Buttars should/shouldn't have the right to express himself without
ramifications like forced resignation. There are some that condemn Buttars for
speaking his mind, and others who condemn those who call for his resignation. It
seems to me that, however provocative and painful the statements and
condemnations were, both sides are speaking under the protection of the First
Amendments. We may agree, passionately, or disagree with equal passion the
position of one side or another, but it's my opinion that it behooves us perhaps
to embrace that which allows those who disagree with us to speak. Protest and
prosecute violence, vandalism and other crimes on both sides. And maybe agree to
discuss these issues based on our opinions and reasoning rather than relying
primarily on emotion. We are a community, we try in most cases to do right by
one another, and--if we are honest--we concede that perhaps there is an agenda
behind both points of view. On the one hand, the protection of marriage and
related issues. On the other, the search for equality. We can civilly discuss
Isn't it great to live in a country where you don't have to fear reprisals for
expressing your feelings? Hate is very good way to demonize anyone that
expresses something contrary to your beliefs. I disagree with socialism, but I
don't hate socialists. Buttars has every right to say what he wants. We have
every right -- at least those in his district -- to elect someone else next
time. He did not unethical or illegal. Why should he resign?
Like most Utahns and Americans, I am against gay marriage and believe
homosexuality is harmful to individuals and society.But comparing
gays to Islamic terrorists? Come on . . . Sen. Buttars went WAAAY over the line
with that one. Guys like him make it too easy for gay activists to ignore the
very real risks of homosexuality and focus on their crazy words as a straw man.
Then per what READ 2 said all of the negative comments against the LDS Church
should be registered as HATE SPEECH.
So much for freedom of speech in this country, and especially in Utah. Since
when is expressing one's opinion "hate speech"? I thought outside of yelling
"fire" in a crowded building, you could still speak your mind. Apparently not
anymore, and particularly when it "infringes" on the alternative and liberal
"lifestyle" crowd. Keep this in mind, prophecies about our time (another thing
like marriage gays don't believe in) are coming true, and God will judge this
land soon. So, just be prepared for the heavenly barbecue.
The gays win another battle for homosexuality. For some reason there are a
disproportioned number of homosexuals in the mormon community and as the gay
rights movement gains in number and strength the church will have to allow them
into positins of authority.
It's hard to take any of the Buttars defendants seriously when they can't even
frame the argument. Nobody is challenging his constitutional right to say these
things. Fair minded rational thinking individuals are challenging the notion
that Buttars has the intellect and demeanor to serve as an elected official and
REPRESENT UTAH. If you think his current comments make him a moral crusader I
would implore you to read a book, that's right any book. If you need to break
yourself in with books that have colorful pictures that's okay, keep reading.
Eventually you might move on to something non-fiction. (I've got to warn you
though...sometimes these binded papers might express something that you don't
agree with!) I know, I know, but just fight through it. With time you will come
understand that there a lot of people with different ways a doing things, and
that there should be a higher standard set for individuals that we pay to
represent us and ultimately unite us. That's all.
My husband & I both heard what Sen. Buttars said and both found nothing he said
to be false. I don't believe that makes us hate mongers. Please!Perhaps
he could have used a little more tact, but c'mon - that doesn't mean he needs to
be strung from the nearest tree. Give me a break!!!
If any group should be offended by Senator Buttars comments it should be the
I may not agree with all things that Sen Butters says, but I do admire his
courage in saying them - unlike your typical politician who says conflicting
things to different groups to win their approval.
same gender | 11:11 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 "Same gender folks are trying to
fundamentally change our society - it is the greatest threat to out nation""We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to
the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let
them worship how, where, or what they may" AS LONG AS WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT
THEY ARE SINNERS. THEN WE WILL TREAT THEM AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND PASS
LAWS SO THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE THE PRIVILEGES AND BENEFITS WE CLAIM AS A
to: The True Messiah,You would be the first in line for the hangin'.
Waddoups did not go far enough. The blood is now on his hands. No apology or
expression of sensitivity by Waddoups--our 2nd most powerful leader in the
state!--was appalling. I am straight. I attend church every week. I am a
registered Republican. I attend R meetings, caucuses, conventions. Buttars and
Waddoups do not reflect my views at all. They are out of step with the more
moderate mainstream. Just look at the polling on this. Utahns want Buttars
gone. Waddoups is close to going, too. He will be a short timer. We need
Valentine back, fast. Why isn't Hillyard President? Bell? Anyone else new who
can get the job done, show leadership. I will work to vote these guys out if
they do not wake up and show some decency toward other human beings. Get over
your homophopia! Give dignity to people who are different.
To those who believe in God and that He gave us commandments; please do not be
influences and corralled by political correctness. Do not fall for the lie that
to believe homosexuality is wrong means that you are a hateful person. It is not
hate.God is love, and it is He that told us that this is a sin
because He knows it hurts the children He loves. They don't understand that, but
we can't help that. I have gay friends and relatives I love completely and I
don't judge them personally, but I do know the act is a sin and I will not be
moved by name calling.I do wish the senator had chosen his words
with more decorum and kindness but he does have the right to his opinion and it
is strange that people think elected officials somehow lose that right.
Buttars will be just fine. He has thousands of supporters. No matter what anyone
wants to assume--- Homosexuality is ungodly and wrong.
You know what interesting about Buttars. A lot of the strongest anti gay
politicians... actually gay.Buttars, do you have anything to tell us?
Nice trying to impersonate a conservative republican, who are you really?
I wish the Gay Community would resign, or move, or better yet, go back in the
closet where THEY belong.
There are actually people here comparing Buttars message of hate to the Savior's
message of love? That's appalling and profane.
"The prophesy that Salt Lake City would be numbered among the wicked cities of
the world is now being fulfilled. "That is an old wives tale.
Show me where it is cannonized in scripture. It is as true as Joseph Smith
stating that 6 foot tall men lived on the moon (he did say that, by the way.)
To claim Sen. Buttars is standing up for a moral, and just cause, is a lie. All
Christain know, Jesus in Anger,threw the money changes out of the temple but
forgave a prositute. Where would he draw the line on this? I see Politicians as
Money Changers, they say anything for tender, profit, and attention. Buttars is
a doddering old fool, who thinks himself a moral champion in one hand, but in
the other hand he is no better than a money changer.
I am a constituent of Senator Buttars and plead with him to resign. He does not
represent us. His shameful and hate-filled diatribes are anti-freedom,
anti-American, and anti-Christian.
Sen Buttars is absolutely correct. !!We need more people and not only
politicians to stand up to what is right and say it as it is !!!we are all
citizens of this great nation in which was founded the very same principals that
are today being repremended...I am tired of the GAY agenda saying that
everyone that disagrees with them is hateful. I am not hateful and i could care
less who or what is your partner and what you do behind close doors, just dont
try to force your way of living as something normal and try to infiltrate
insunuations that your GAY lifestyle is OK within the community and society.What Sen Buttars have said is on the dot... there will be a cleansing of all
the wickedness.EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTS SEN BUTTARS SHOULD TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY AND RALLY AGAINST WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS WRONG AND NOT LET OURSELVES BE
INTIMIDATED BY THREATS OF HATE OR LOVE THY NEIGHBOR... YES I DO LOVE MY
NEIGHBOOR AND THAT IS WHY I WILL TRY TO INFORM THEM WHEN I SEE THEM DO SOMETHING
Only in Utah.
I'm amazed a the hatred and narrow-mindedness in these blogs. I'm not gay, but I
support my friends and family who are (and that is NOT their choice).
Unconditional love is what we are admonished to extend to everyone. "Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord." Leave the seperating of the chaff from
the wheat to Heavenly Father when the time comes. None of us can presume to
know the mind of God. What if (dare I say it?) the only question we are asked
after we translate to the other side of the veil is "How did you treat your
fellow man -- including the gays?" How many of us would be able to hear "well
done", and not have to hang our heads in shame???
Jesus was crucified by the Religious Leaders of the day.
PC said: "The more PC way to say it is. The Gay ACTIVISTS, are a threat to
America and terrorist group. Example, Once Prop 8 won, the activists attacked
Christians throughout the country, burned Churches and Physically threatened
little old ladies and sent white powder to LDS Church HQ and temples. Now if
these are not terrorist actions, please help under stand what are."Have any gay people been CHARGED with those crimes? Convicted? Sentenced?One little old lady had her STYROFOAM cross taken away from her AFTER
she verbally excoriated the anti-hate protesters.I wouldn't put it
past the Mormons to send THEMSELVES envelopes of white powder solely to FAN the
flames of anti-gay hatred. After reading about the Evergreen Project and Utah
Boys' Ranch, I believe the Mormon "church" to be capable of ANYTHING.I am a gay man; I am TERRIFIED of Mormons. The scenes in "Latter Days" are
TRUE depictions of what happens to gay people when they fall into the Mormons'
I just came across a website while trying to look up Buttars email address. It
is obviously bias against Buttars, however they have evidence to back up not
only the hateful and racist comments but numerous indescretions that a
represenative should be ashamed for. Remember that he represents you West Jordan
and that he speaks for you. The site is (save me from my senator) it is an older
site i believe was used for the elections last November.
If true, it's a sad commentary on the intelligence of others. There is no room
in a pluralistic society for such bigotry. Expressing your opinion is one
thing, but Buttars routinely steps over the line of decency.
ALL contributions to Prop Hate, both pro and anti, are available on the CA
Secretary of State's website. BEFORE the election, the pro-hate forces sent VERY
threatening letters to businesses and individuals who had contributed to the
anti-hate side to date. Basically they threatened to blackmail them unless they
sent money.I have a RIGHT to picket those who would deny me the
right to marriage and a family. The Religious Reich ULTIMATELY wants
the LEVITICAL penalty applied to gay people:DEATH.I
think *that's* worth getting up in arms about.
Buttars says a lot of stupid things but that does not mean he means them. He
might be a performance artist or something. I mean, does he really think
everyone in America would get involved in a gay relationship if they lost their
moral stigma? That has to be a joke.
To demonstrate that what Buttars said is inappropriate, replace "gays and
lesbians" with any other group of people, such as Mormons. Would we be
defending free speech if a state senator from Alabama said these things about
Mormons? I would hope that we would demand an apology.As Buttars
comments were spread around the world, he became the symbol of Utah and the
Church. If we sit back and say nothing, we in fact validate his positions. To
all who read this, Buttars does not represent the views of this Utah Mormon.
Senator Buttar's stated his opinion. While we may not like what He said or how
He said it, He has the right to do so. Was it politicaly correct, probably not.
The majority in Utah do not believe in the gay life style. While condemning Sen.
Buttars, the gays picket Graff auto dealedships because Ms. Graff donated to
defeat Prop. 8 in California. Is one act better than another, I think not.
Perhaps we would all be better off not casting stones, after awhile it gets
tough to dodge.
Free Speech only applies to the gays and lesbians. It is controlled and
consequential speech to anyone else - Excuse me why I bend over and look for the
soap. Rudy the Rump Ranger smiling while all the rest of us try to make logic
out of the illogical!!!
One thing about those of you crying about free speech forget one thing--there
are consequences to what you say. Those in leadership positions, especially,
will likely lose those leadership positions if they happen to say things that
show that they do not care about all of the people for whom they are
responsible. Chris Buttars's comments showed a strong dislike for homosexuals.
Believe it or not, Senator Buttars was elected to represent ALL people withing
his district. And yes, as hard as that is to believe, there are homosexuals who
live within his district. That alone shows he is not concerned about protecting
the rights of all the people he was elected to represent.
The gay agenda strikes again. Anyone who oposes their view is guilty. End of
Butters particular, and the legislative leadership in general, are a phenomenal
embarrassment to Utah.As private citizens they can spout off
whatever kind of red-neck knuckle-dragging nonsense they want. As
legislators, however, our state deserves far better than this, and it's high
time Chris Buttars resigned.
Yes, Buttars has the right to say anything he wants as a private citizen. But he
was not speaking as a private citizen. If you listen to the whole 16 minutes, he
makes it clear that he is speaking as a Senator and will use his position, along
with Gayle, to "kill" (his words) all gay rights bills. He receives a salary
from the state of Utah. He may have been elected, but he is still essentially an
employee. If I as a state employee said what he did, I would have been
disciplined, maybe even fired.
Buttars represents Utah and the LDS faith to the rest of America. You might
want to re-think your choice?Yes he is a perfect fit for the Grand
OLD Party, and a clear example of the struggles the G.O.P. are experiencing.For a group who claims(?) to love everyone and not discrminate, blah,
blah, blah, it is an interesting choice of a spokesperson who gets a lot of
media attention to represent Utah.
In Buttars tirade replace the word "gay" with "mormon" and all the people
agreeing with him would be up in arms and screaming "persecution." Except being
mormon is a choice, being gay is not...
This is all about political correctness and it is very disappointing and wrong.
Buttars spoke his mind and was censored for it. That is NOT democracy nor is
that freedom of speech.We call that good ole political correctness at its worse.
After the passage of Prop 8 gays everywhere (including Utah) were BASHING the
LDS church as well as doing physical harm and property damage to all who voted
for the bill. NOTHING NOTHING and I mean NOTHING was done or said about that.
Where were all the high minded folks then? No where to be found !! Very sad and
I am continually astonished that in this country of free speech we are only
permitted to say what is "politically correct." Are we not allowed to say what
we really think anymore because it might offend someone? I applaud the man for
speaking his mind, whether I agree with him or not.
So homosexuality might be un-Godly, wrong, immoral, impure, etc etc blah blah
blah. It is NOT, however, illegal.And stop throwing God and Religion into
this. This is a legal issue about rights for DOMESTIC PARTNERS. Buttars is the
clown who turned "domestic partnership" rights into GAY rights.You people
are hilarious. So unworldly, uninformed, hateful. And you are stupid enough to
think homosexuality is a CHOICE....HA! It is as much a condition as
heterosexuality.So leave your Bibles and BOM's where they
belong....out of the issue.MikeyMikeHetero Roue and womanizer.
Removing Senator Buttars was a cowardly act by people still bowing the knee to
the "PC" police.Homosexual activists are treating these issues like
the culture war it is. Senator Waddoups and the Utah GOP are treating it like a
neighborhood picnic, where we all just need to "get along." That has been the
problem for decades.Sooner or later, we as a traditional majority
will finally wake up and realize that this is culture war--for the heart and
soul of Utah and America. I only hope it will not be too late. We
need to recognize that the LGBT movement has operated and continues to operate
on the principle of gradualism, along with threats, intimidation, and faulty
appeals to "tolerance," "understanding," "equality," and "fairness." The only
"getting along" that occurs with the LBGT lobby is when we abandon our
principles.Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As to be
hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, we first endure, then pity, then embraceAlexander PopeWe
should recognize these tactics and not shy away from standing on, and making
clear statements of, policy and principle.
Why can't we have legislators who focus on the budget, rather than on
antagonizing the public?
Buttars should resign--he would be better off, and we as citizens of Utah would
be better off, if he had a different profession.
Utah needs more leaders like Chris Buttars. Buttars may not represent the
liberal left wingers in Salt Lake but he sure does represent the rest of the
state. This much I know, for all those who voted to demote and censor Chris, I
guarantee you will be in my cross hairs come election time.
The majority of the GLBT community DID NOT:1. Label all who support
gay marriage bigoted haters.2. Distribute the names of those against Prop.
8.3. Boycott businesses owned by opponents of Prop. 8.4. Label
anyone's religion as bigoted.5. Destroy anyone's property.6.
Desecrate anyone's holy shrine.7. Destroy anyone's livelihood through
boycotts.8. Target innocent relatives and employees of supporters of Prop.
8.9. Undermine America's political processes by filing suit against the
will of the people.10. Become so militant in his opinions as to strike
fear in the community.All of the above were done by a small but
vocal minority of GLBT people. Somehow all are grouped in that category,
We need more politicians that are not afraid to speak their mind. Currently, the
majority of politicians are scared to death to say anything because of some
ridiculous "hurt my feelings" standard that has been shoved down our throats. If
people cannot handle comments made from some other individual, then maybe being
a "human being" is not for you.
Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place where even the
harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and respect for others.
Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the word propriety.
Disgraceful and despicable, an Archie Bunker but with power, guile and a media
outlet to boot. Oh well, the skiing will continue to be great as long as
Buttars keeps out-of-staters away from re-location to Utah. Huntsman: Buttars is an obvious liability to your economic development efforts
to bring commerce to Utah.....wake up!
It would be an affront to liberalism to fail to defend Buttars' right to hold
and express his views. At lease you know were he stands on this issue. Removing
him is stupid and cosmetic. It's people like Buttars that makes Utah so unique.
It's may have been divine intervention that Dinosaur National Monument is
located in Utah.
The last bastian of hate and racism is about the homosexuals. Why can't we just
all live in peace. All of us are God's children. All of us, like it or not.
However, I believe elected officials should not be allowed to harbor their
hate in public. Do it at home. How many gay people are voters, civil home
owners, better adoptive parents than heterosexual people???? It's what is in
one's heart, not who they love. Let's stop this duality and fear mongering!
Enough is enough.
What a shame to punish a good man because we want to cater to the homosexual
community. Free speech, especially when it is true, can't be allowed in our
nation any more. Liberals control the media and the thought police have
nothing better to do than worry about issues like this.
Its not Rocket science, this affection disorder. Although Buttar's
words sound offensive, and I don't condone mean spiritedness, he is quite
correct about perversion. The truth is that homosexuality is not rocket
science. People, particularly young people can get their affections
(attractions) oriented to the same sex, by the power bonding (love) chemicals
that are released in the body as a result of touch, affection and by sexual
activity. If two young people masterbate together or think about the same sex
while engaged in that kind of activity, then powerful bonds of affection and
attraction are created in the mind and thus psycho-sexually they become
"perverted". This isn't rocket science, its just well known fact. Sure some
are born with stronger inclinations and weaknesses than others, but it can
happen to anyone if you combine sexual activity with the wrong kind of thoughts.
Thats how it happens, thats how pedophiles become attracted to young people,
thats how many heterosexual women turn into Lesbians in prison. Most
conservative people like Buttars are honest enough to speak the truth.
Utah political correctness and censorship - no doubt encouraged by Gov Huntsman.
Speaking out in a civil and bold way USED to be allowed in American and Utah -
but no more. The far LEFT LIBERALS who HATE Christians and go public with that
HATE regularly (remember prop 8) are NEVER censored - NEVER. What a shameful
practice of democracy - or the lack thereof. Utah. Read Ralph Waldo Emmersons
essay on Self Reliance and note that he cherished the right to speak freely
without apology. The US is a far cry from the great leaders and teachers of the
past. A long long way. Today we have fear that rules the day and bold speech is
kept under a bushel else you suffer the retribution of the media and your fellow
- spineless - peers.
Hate Speech | 11:40 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 "Then per what READ 2 said all of
the negative comments against the LDS Church should be registered as HATE
SPEECH."Yes, it should.
Seperation of Church & State. Heard of it Utahns?
The politicians in Washington are stealing our childrens future and we are stuck
on this inane, insensitive subject.The president, congress and the sentate
should all resign in disgrace!It won't be long before we will forget about
the fight with immorality in our society, because we will be starving to death!
Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark,"I have a RIGHT to picket those who would
deny me the right to marriage and a family."No one is denying you
the right to a family nor the right to love whomever you choose and to publicly
express your commitment to that person. That's your business and no one really
cares what you do in the privacy of your home or how you choose to exercise your
freedom of association and speech but marriage isn't a right. Its a legal
institution created by the majority and its no more discrimination to define
marriage then its discrimination to define the age necessary to vote, drive, or
serve as a Congressman."The Religious Reich ULTIMATELY wants the
LEVITICAL penalty applied to gay people:DEATH."This has
nothing to do with religion and I'm sick and I'm tired of your lies and that is
the facts so come to my house and picket my family and watch as I wipe your face
with a copy of the constitution that you quote to defend your right to harass
those I love. My family has had enough with your lies and with your tyranny.
I believe the people of Utah want legislators who arrive without such strong
prejudices that they are unable to consider the merits of legislation, voting
instead based strictly on their knee-jerk, emotional responses.Sen.
Buttars has shown that he's unable to function in this manner with regard to
anything remotely involving gays and lesbians. Given that the Judiciary
Committee hears many of these bills, Sen. Waddoups' action was completely
appropriate.That said, the voters in his district knew -- or should
have known -- about Sen. Buttars' strongly held beliefs when they re-elected him
last November. His district decided to send someone with those prejudices and
views to the Senate; there is no reason for him to resign simply for having
voiced those views.While Sen. Buttars doesn't represent what the
people of Utah and the Senate leadership want as a member of the Judiciary
Committee, he does apparently represent the people of his district. I think
that's unfortunate, but that's neither here nor there.
Buttars with you all the way! We can love everyone, but that doesn't mean we
have to let their values take over society.
Philadelphian,"Seperation of Church & State. Heard of it Utahns?"How many times must you told that our votes based on our opinions are no
more unconstitutional because of their religious nature than yours are because
they are Marxist, sexist or just plain stupid. We will not have our votes
negated because of their source and be told that our rights don't matter.We have the right to vote based on our beliefs just like you do and we
will not have our votes negated because you REFUSE to allow us the right to vote
if it's based on our religious or moral beliefs. We aren't forcing
you to worship or believe the way we do but you are denying us the right to have
our opinions become law solely based on the origin of our beliefs. That is
tyranny. If you don't get that then we will fight you for our rights until the
die we dcie and you will have to kill us to prevent us from going to the ballot
and voting our opinions because that is what you do and your opinions is based
on your MORALS and they are stupid.
Mr. Buttars represents conservative, right-wing fanaticism - gone wild! If this
man emulates community standards - we're in big trouble! He is undoubtedly, a
poster boy, for bad behavior/warped prejudice, a disturbed, obsessed man, who
belittles moderation/competent dialogue - as he confronts/ shreds, common
decency! Sadly, he is just one, of many, right-wing, Republican zealots - who
walk/haunt the halls, of our State Legislature! He should be asked to resign,
or expelled - if necessary!
Couldn't have happened to a sweeter guy.
So school administrators, teachers and counselors can say what ever they want
without repercussions. MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!Bet they're amped about
that!!Hey, while your at it add police officers and other public
workers to the list!! Remember there are not conseqences or
accountability.Right on, what a great state we live in!
I'm sure that if a member of the Utah Legislature made the same comments that
the esteemed Senator made, but substituted the word "Mormom" for the term "gay,"
the good people of Utah would be lining up one after another to support his
right of free speach. After all, that's just the kind of fair, principled and
even-handed approach to issues of gay rights, women's rights and racical
equality that makes Utah and its people standout.
It is amusing to read the justifications made for Butters behavior when refering
to the inappropriate behavior of the protestors of Prop 8. It is my personal
and moral decision to believe as I do that sexual behavior outside of the
marriage covenant is wrong; but if I take to the air-waves to condemn those who
believe and behave differently I must expect to suffer the consequences that the
air-waves may bring. Butter clearly used bad judgment as a public official and
has to suffer the consequences.
How many chances does a person get. This is his third strike. First racist
comments about a bill. Second saying we should all say christmas that is going
against non christian religions and now strike three Gays have no morals. Also
something that no one is mentioning about him. He compared gays to "extremist
muslims" what does this say about muslims makes them sound evil. I had a muslim
neighbor one of the nicest people i have ever met. luckily he said extemist but
still most other countries hate america. It isn't hard to see why when people
like buttars say these things. He has a right to his own opinion but when that
opinion hurts the state it is wrong. I am about to move out of this state
because of people like him. As a state we are trying to increase tourism but who
wants to come to the state that hates gays and has to track anyone who drinks
alcohol luckily that didn't pass.Thanks MR. BUTTARS you bigotry has
helped the state. Maybe he should run for president then he can eliminate anyone
that stands in his way. btw this won't get posted
Let this be a shot across the bow for all hate-filled far-righters who think
America is no better than The 3rd Reich.
Wow, why do I even want to wade into this. Okay, here goes. I am a gay male and
also a conservative in the old sense of the world. I am religious (though some
might not think that possible). I believe in complete equality of opportunity
for all citizens. Because of that I believe that Sen. Buttars has the absolute
right to say what he fells. However, by making it so plain that he could not
bring himself to apply constitutional guarantees of equal protection to all
citizens he also made it clear that he was not the appropriate person for the
chairmanship of that committee. For our society to work we need to let go of the
loathing and distrust that characterizes relationships between minorities (yes
Gays & Mormons are both minorities in my book) and instead seek ways that we can
constructively live together while preserving the freedom of both groups.
Freedom is not a zero-sum-game. It is possible for all of us to have the same
equality of opportunity without any one group sacrificing their own rights.
come on dude, wake up and smell the roses! Consequences for free speach? Hah!!!
There are NO CONSEQUENCES for the liberal left gay activists who TRASHED
CHRISTIANS in very ugly ways after the passage of prop 8. Geez, it was all over
the internet in every state. Was there ONE reprimand handed down to the gay
activist groups who were spewing out all the hate and misinformation? NONE !!!
Consequences only flow one direction apparently. Sad and shameful!!
RE: Senate President Michael Waddoup | 11:03 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 So
your saying only gays spread aids.U B Smurt...reel smurt!!!
Wow! It looks like Eric Holder was right, except he should have extended his
comments beyond just race. We are a nation of cowards, standing toe to toe
shouting at one another, but only after putting a bag over our heads so that no
one knows who we are.
The first amendment applies to everyone.
Oh stop it. All of you. Don't we have something more important to worry about
than who Senator Buttars doesn't like this week? The media needs to find a
different person to entertain themselves with. And the gay groups need to grow
up and quit pouting every time somebody doesn't like their lifestyle.
Nelson,"Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place
where even the harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and
respect for others. Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the
word propriety."There is a time and place when civility and respect
for others accomplishes nothing. This is one of those times!The reason why the pro-same sex marriage crowd have gained a foothold is
because civilized people have played nice and look at where it got us. With
those who don't understand the fundamental principles of a republic arguing that
a majority doesn't have a right to define an institution it created but we
do.We don't have to change the definition of marriage to include
something instead all we need to do is provide equal protection under the law
which we are doing. Regardless of your gender, race, orientation or belief we
have the same opportunity to marry a person of the opposite sex. This is no different than a 20 year old wanting to be a U.S. Senator. They
like everyone else can be a Senator when they turn 30.
Roger Carrier, you're absolutely right. The real problem, however, is that it's
just PR, designed to obfuscate the true positions of the institution - which is
that gays are sub-human and not entitled to equal protection under the law. One
can only run from the truth so far before it catches up.
Buttars for President in 2012. Then he can stops the gays, stop the blacks, and
stop all non christians in their tracks. I thought we had made progress as a
nation our first african-american president but then Buttars opens his mouth and
I realize things haven't changed we might as well be back in the 60's. My guess
is buttars was against the Civil Rights movement. Does anyone know his stand
back then if so please share
Ran out of space. Also, to the person who claimed that Greco-Roman Civilization
fell after it accepted homosexuality, you obviously need to go reread your
history books or buy a good historical atlas. During the time period when
Greco-Roman civilization was at its most accepting of homosexuality (2nd Century
BC through 2nd Century AD) First Greece and then the Roman Empire were at their
heights. Rome did not begin to fall apart until it became overwhelmingly
Christian. By the time the Western Roman Empire fell the Church had already
succeeded in having homosexuality forbidden by law in the Roman world and it was
even punishable by death. It is only a coincidence that Christianity rose as
Rome fell. But homosexuality was only accepted in Roman Society during its pagan
heights. Also, don't forget that in Ancient Athens, they credited a gay couple -
Harmodios & Aristogiton - with creating their democracy. Historically
homosexuality coincides with the best a civilization has to offer, while hatred
and bigotry tend to coincide with periods of decline and fall, not the other way
This just reiterates my belief that Waddoups needs to go, too! He's quoted as
saying, "Now Senator Buttars will be more at ease in saying how he personally
feels". HUH!? Does this mean that Buttars has been "sugar coating" things. My,
My, I can't wait until he "feels more at ease" so that he can REALLY tell us how
he feels!!! WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT!! Didn't Buttars already lose his
"chairmanships" before---over the "this thing is black" comment? Well, how did
he get those chairmanships back??? Waddoups reinstated him, of course. The Utah
State Legislature is a JOKE with leadership like Waddoups. Until we the voters
can weed out guys like Waddoups and Buttars, they will just continue to be a
"Black Eye" ("this thing is Black!") to a "Pretty, Great, State!"
How easily the media twists and turns until bloggers form opinions from half
truths and believe exactly what they want you to believe. The truth is that
this interview happened over a year ago and the media has been sitting on it
until the right moment to spring it on the public. Apparently the time is right
-now that three bills in this regard have been stopped by the Utah Legislature.
Additionally, the interview has been clipped and spliced to feed the public
enough to sway their opinion. Demand the full transcript or search for it on
the internet and it is not available. These comments were taken out of context,
but reflect the views of someone that is not tactful but truthful. Chris has
been opposed to legislation in this regard and has been the key player to stop
it for years and because of this he is hated by those in the homosexual
community. They have targeted him and he and his family have received threats
at home. He has seen the devastating effects to society of this behavior at the
Boy's Ranch. He is a good man -well respected in his community and by his
Buttars was right!Notice that Sen. Buttars' comments were made
during an INTERVIEW, responding to questions on the topic. This was
probably a typical liberal media ambush, and then carefully edited to make it
look even worse.Good on Buttars for stating his beliefs and not
being the typical politician who would tell people whatever he thought they
wanted to hear.Political correctness and the hateful left are
killing this country.
The good news about America is we are all free to speak our minds and
unfortunately that freedom also allows for people to have whomever as a partner.
I don't know Buttars and I don't know much about our legislature, I should
get more involved; but I do know that we are all free to ignore another
person's opinion and we all have power within us to think our own thoughts, and
nobody can make us mad ----this we do of our own will. Nobody on the earth has
the right to be mad or angry----life is too short to make a fuss over another's
comments. I also believe the Bible that says our bodies are not our
own----they are a temple and given to us temporarily, but they can be taken
back. May we all lighten up and realize life is too short to ever be offended.
We all need healing and I recommend reading the good book to free from hate,
sin and anger.
Snoop,"So school administrators, teachers and counselors can say
what ever they want without repercussions. MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!"School
administrators, teachers and counselors are not the duly elected representative
of those who voted for them. They are employees of the state or in other words
an employee of the people who were responsible for electing their
representatives. It is the duty of those officials and administrators to
sanction each other. That role cannot be held by those who have no say in
Buttars election."Remember there are not conseqences or
accountability."Buttars is accountable to those who elected him and
not to you or the guy down the street who happens to represent you in the same
legislative body as Buttars."Right on, what a great state we live
in!"You would be more at home in a state where you are King and Lord
over all and your vote and opinion is the only one that matters. You could
always start a island Kingdom where you can grant your subjects the right to
elect representatives but whenever you choose you can always say "I'm sorry
about that but I hereby hold your representatives accountable for doing what you
Neocons are hilarious!One moment they are slamming political correctness
-he next moment they are slamming every one else!LOL!
Mr free thinker - all I can say is full moon - empty head. Remember that far
side cartoon? You call Utah regressive. You would also call some of our great
and bold leaders of the past (Washington, Jefferson, T. Roosevelt, etc..) also
regressive. Emerson wrote an essay entitled "Self Reliance" where he suggested
that we should never apologize for our principles and beliefs rather we should
"speak words as hard as cannon balls". America was not made by the spineless
liberals we are surrounded by today (yourself included). Buttars did not
physical harm to anyone nor did he say he hated gays only that the gay life
style is poisonous - which it is. He also stated (correctly) that with his
experience gays were mean spirited (remember the aftermath of prop 8 in
California). Buttars need not apologize for anything. It is the spineless ,
politically correct cowards in Utah that need to apologize.
Sticks and Stones can break bones. Names only hurt if you let them.If people don't return to that age old bit of wisdom we will lose our right to
JOHN,"Buttars for President in 2012. Then he can stops the gays,
stop the blacks, and stop all non christians in their tracks. I thought we had
made progress as a nation our first african-american president but then Buttars
opens his mouth and I realize things haven't changed we might as well be back in
the 60's. My guess is buttars was against the Civil Rights movement. Does anyone
know his stand back then if so please share"As a black liberal who
opposes same-sex marriage I have had it with your insulting what blacks went
through. Gay marriage has nothing to do with the civil rights movement or the
election of Barack Obama who I voted for. It is time for you to stop with your
racist bull and admit to the fact that you will scoop to using anything to
advance your own agenda and the civil rights movement means nothing to you
except to the extant that it will benefit you.Buttars comments
implying black babies are ugly offended me and I believe that he should have
been censured because his comments were made on the floor of the Senate.
Ahh, I see that some of our modern day Sadducees and Pharisees have finally
succeded in surrounding the villainous Buttars and are ready for the execution.
Although he may have spoken an eternal truth, we know he is guilty of a far more
weighty matter. He spoke with political incorrectness, making his statement
inexcussable and we will not tolerate it. On with the games and execution
fellow citizens. Hail to Caesar!!!
Though I can't prove this, I'll bet ya Buttars is one of Rush Limbaugh's biggest
Lets get homosexuals classified where they really should be based on there
explanations that they were born that way. If it is a brain issue or a
chromosome that is making them homosexuals then they are not normal. It is a
small percentage of the population. This means that they are handicapped. Just
like being born deaf or blind. They already have rights because of this
handicapped and they can quit fighting for marraige because everyone know they
are not normal.
I highly recommend that everyone read the actual transcript of what he actually
said - not just the soundbites. Easy to find on google. He even goes into
detail as to how he as a Bishop handled gay people. It is quite enlightening.
It is a complete stereotype-filled rant that as a straight Mormom, I am apalled
and offended by.
I wonder what would have happened to Buttars if he was a Democrat?
I wonder about this reed Cowan bunch who went to his office and solicited his
comments and then run to the media . Sen. Butters was told that he could review
the tapes before they were published. Cowan then proceeds to make it known to
the public without telling him. Even if his words were harsh to some, he has the
right to express his views. He has never denied his opinions about this. To me
Reed Cowan's actions are every bit as dispicable.
So sad. I guess this Buttars guy just gave permission to more rabid haters to
hang a couple of young gays on a fence this weekend.This kind of hate
feeds the like minds of the hicks that can't or don't want to accept people as
God put them on earth as.
We need statesmen in the legislature.Not more nasty Limbaugh
Why should the votes of the majority of 9 justices prevail over the vote of the
majority of 100 Senators and 435 U.S. Representatives. When you throw in the
President we begin to see why the un-democratic and un-republican (as in
"republic") belief that Courts should be the final arbiter of our constitutional
rights is wrong. Take slavery and Lincoln's and the U.S. Congress's
opposition to slavery. The Civil War really started because of the Supreme Court
ruling that slavery was CONSTITUTIONAL and couldnt be interfered with by the
legislature and President even though the President and Congress had
unsuccessfully tried to abolish it. Many other countries had ended slavery
peacefully but the Supreme Court had stepped in and that made it impossible for
us to settle it without a war.A fundamental principle of liberalism
is that the people should decide and that in the long run they will make the
right decision. The Courts have consistently obstructed progressive values
ranging from voting rights to clean air and water, 40 hour work week, and safe
food. If you can't convince the majority that you are right then you shouldn't
As a Mormon, I want to apologize to my friends in the gay community. What
Buttars and others say is a shame, inexcusable, and in coming years their
statements will come back to haunt them and condemn them. Even if one has
personal reservations toward homosexuality, it is vicious to express such hatred
toward fellow human beings. This is not what the Gospel and our Church leaders
teach us. Buttars is an embarrassment for the Church worldwide.
I find the number of people on this message board comparing Buttars to Christ
very surprising. If you're that far off the mark as to His teachings, it really
makes me think you're not Christians at all.
To the free speech advocates:1. Opposing gay rights and equating gays
with radical muslims are two different things.2. Free speech has
consquences, but when you're a public official you have to be careful what you
say. They are some things a public servant says that shouldn't be protected
speech--this hateful bile has to be one of them.
I crack myself up.
Dixie Dan,"I wonder what would have happened to Buttars if he was a
Democrat?"If no one knew then it would probably be the same thing
that has happened to me which is attacks and insults. The idea that the majority
has no right to make such fundamental decisions is contrary to what liberalism
is about. Real liberals trust that the people will make the right decisions and
don't need overlords to make those decisions for us.I happen to
oppose same-sex marriage but I'm only attacked by those who profess to be
liberal and to have progressive values. The reality is that those who advocate
same-sex marriage whether liberal or conservative have allowed the issue to
cloud their judgment. Does any liberal in their right mind really believe that 3
justices on the California Supreme Court have a right to repeatedly overrule the
majority of California? Thats not the kind of equality that liberalism advocates
which is that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights to
life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. Why should a handful of people claim
the right to overrule millions. Not just once either!
It's nice that Waddoups gets behind Buttars all foursquarelike.Seems
a little gay.(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Ditto - I agree 100% ,thank youI just wish more people, when
confronted with bumper-sticker slogans that feel good but that have no
substance., would respond with such logical and reasonable arguments.The passing of any law is in some form or another, "forcing" one group of
peoples values/morals/belief/opinions on others.
He sounds like McCarthy in the 1950's!
Anonymous | 2:13 p.m. Feb. 20, 2009To the free speech
advocates:1. Opposing gay rights and equating gays with radical muslims
are two different things."2. Free speech has consquences, but when
you're a public official you have to be careful what you say. They are some
things a public servant says that shouldn't be protected speech--this hateful
bile has to be one of them."Actually, what a legislator says during
a debate in the legislature is actually more protected by the Constitution then
mere "freedom of speech." There's a reason for that. While this wasn't said
during a debate of the Utah Senate it has at minimum the same protection as
other speech exercised by people.The U.S. Constitution clearly
states "They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace,
be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their
respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any
speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other
place."As you can see "freedom of speech" (Magna Carta) was intended
T-shirt seen on Senator Buttars:Since he tells one group of people one
thing and yet another elsewhere...Roses are redViolets are
blueI'm scizophrenicAnd so am I
I think he thus protests too much.
Dixie Dan, If Buttars was a Democrat he wouldn't say such bigoted and
unenlightened things. After all, I don't read about Democrats
making outrageous statements.
It makes me so sad to see that no one in UT understands what really constitutes
freedom of speech. Does it mean you can say anything you want to without
consequence? Of course not! If so, I implore you to go to the airport and say
the word bomb. You can't say it without getting detained, and it's not a denial
of freedom of speech.Freedom of speech means you can say it, but
there may be consequences. Especially for a public official. He represents us
(though I don't live in South Jordan) because he is a spokesman in the
legislature. My tax dollars pay his salary and I find what he said to be
offensive.LDS of all people should understand this concept. Agency
is not free, because you can't escape or choose the consequences of your
actions. And seeing as this is the third offense I've heard from him since I
moved to UT in 2007, I'd say the punishment is apropos.
Re: "to Your vote based on stupid morals,""I just wish more people,
when confronted with bumper-sticker slogans that feel good but that have no
substance., would respond with such logical and reasonable arguments."It's pathetic that someone would assert that a vote is invalid based on the
reason the person cast the vote. As a liberal I am outraged at such stupidity
from those who profess to be liberals/progressives."The passing of
any law is in some form or another, "forcing" one group of peoples
values/morals/belief/opinions on others."Of course it is!Every law including the very Constitution which governs us is the result of
one group forcing its values, morals, beliefs, and opinions on others. To
suggest that those advocating same-sex marriage are not forcing their beliefs on
others is ignorant.When we remove this issue from the terms of
rights as some wrongly claim it to be we realize their argument is that the
majority has no freedom to make the law unless the minority agrees. They go from
the majority not harming them and granting equal protection UNDER law to the
majority having to enact law X.
Re: dj | 9:46 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 "Sen. Buttars needs to take a class
on how to be tactful."Other than that, he is entitled to his
opinions and views.
@ RESIGN - NOT BUTTARS:Ah, so then the Constitution only applies to
One more reason to stay out of Utah...who are you people???Steve in
How does the church feel about Mr Buttars?From the outset, the
Churchs position has always been to engage in civil and respectful dialogue on
this issue. Senator Buttars does not speak for the Church.
Buttars is not an offcial spokesman for the LDS Church if he is I didnt hear
about it. There has been no offical word from the church and franky those that
want one will not get it becasue if a statement from the church came out
condeming what was said then all of the other side would be ranting about the
involvement of the church, Lets leave the church out of this and simply state -
what was said was wrong and unbecoming a senior senator but legally unless he
resigns there is no process to get rid of him.What I hope is the
senate commitees will reconsider those equality bills again with out the
conflict of interest personality involved - I am not in favor of same sex
nuptials but am in favor of equal rights those bills recommended.
What about Buttars values taking over society?You wierdo neocons sure
overuse the heck out of the word "values"And why is everything for/against
@ DJ, who said:"Marriage in its traditional sense is a contract
between people of different genders and always has been. If Gay people want to
enter into a civil union and call it marriage then go for it but to toss 4000
years of proper social tradition down the toilet to appease a vocal minority is
just outright wrong."Excuse me, but until WELL into the 19th
century, the Western definition of marriage was one man, one woman, and assorted
mistresses/lovers on the side, as long as the principal couple produced "an heir
and a spare." Women were chattels ... that's the whole POINT of "who
giveth this woman to be married to this man?"Tradition is no excuse
to write BIGOTRY into SECULAR law.
Pure Science,"Lets get homosexuals classified where they really
should be based on there explanations that they were born that way."Homosexuality is a mental illness whether inherited or caused by environmental
factors but it doesn't really matter what causes those who are gay to suffer
from this mental illness anymore than it matters why people suffer from other
illnesses. We treat the illness if they choose to be treated but if they don't
we have no obligation to humor them or call their mental illness normal or
promote it."If it is a brain issue or a chromosome that is making
them homosexuals then they are not normal. It is a small percentage of the
population."The percentage of the population that is homosexual is
closely connected to the percentage of children who have been sexually abused by
people of the same sex. The percentage of pedophiles who target boys is closely
connected to the percentage of gays the following generation. The interesting
thing is that many victims of sexual abuse report not remembering that they were
victims so that number could be even higher. Facts indicate they were abused but
they deny it!
@ FREE SPEECH, who said:"Or, is that something that can only be done
if you are gay, lesbian, or whatever?"WHATEVERS OF THE WORLD,
UNITE!YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR AMBISEXUALITY!
It is ridiculous how the gay population will condemn a senator for expresssing a
belief about them and then have other people jumping up and down about it. It
not necessarily that the gay population but the fuss that is made about it. I
support him when he says to the request to apologize to the gays, "Well, they
ain't gonna get one." He shouldn't have to apologize for his beliefs. This it
looks like it will be part of a series of harrassments against of people who
stand up for their beliefs against homosexuality.
To all. I am a gay man. I am also African-American.I exist here
well-enough, though this will never be mistaken for my hometown of Atlanta.I have not come out while here, as I too fear Mormons and the hate-filled heat
they are showing here.I honestly don't know who'm I fear more..Senator
Buttars or the Grand Wizard of the KKK.And I speak truthfully here.F
Buttars level of disdain for gays is similar to Larry Craig's, the Senator
busted for soliciting action in an airport restroom.
Everyone knows the biggest threat to this country is radical islam, followed
closely by runaway liberalism. Gays are mostly harmless.
Ideology is a beautiful thing, isn't it?
Congratulation to all of you brilliant constitutionalists! Don't you know that
"free speech with consequences" is not free speech at all! You sound like
Hitler! Nazi's enforced the consequences of catching anyone engaged in
"irresponsible" free speech. America is in the crapper, thanks to the crumbling
(personal interpretation) of Constitutional law!
The sad thing is if this was 1976, and Buttars made pro blacks shouldn't be
having the priesthood comments... the religious idealogues on here would all be
chiming in saying, "That's right! Blacks having the priesthood is wrong! God
said so! It'll never happen! How dare those blacks try to get the priesthood!
What's the problem with what he said!?"Buttars is of an archiac
mindset, unfortunately, like so many other Utahns. The wonderful thing is, that
no matter how hard people like Buttars kick and scream and throw their tantrums,
society moves forward, gays and lesbians are being recognized as human beings
like everyone else and are gaining their God given rights to live their lives
that have so long been oppressed by man.
Another black mark against the perception of Utah.With a capital "B"
if the gay rights people can say what they want buttars can say what he wants.
we all have the right to free speech
I think it is a major step in the right direction that they did anything to
Buttars. As a gay man I didn't think they would do anything to him at all. Maybe
Utah is finally coming around.
You wrote: "Gay marriage has nothing to do with the civil rights movement..."Here are some comments for you from Coretta Scott King:On
April 1, 1998 at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, King called on the civil
rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias.
"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that
it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their
dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence
that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."November 2003: "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the
rights of lesbian and gay people. ... But I hasten to remind them that Martin
Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I
appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.s dream, to make room
at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
Please people relax. The "Is Steamed" Senator Buttars is not to blame, he has no
control over his rants. It's a genetic condition. He as born with an Extra
Stupid gene. There is no known cure.
Vicky,"It makes me so sad to see that no one in UT understands what
really constitutes freedom of speech."You need to look in the mirror
since you are the one who doesn't understand what really constitutes freedom of
speech."Does it mean you can say anything you want to without
consequence?"There's a difference between stating your opinion and
yelling fire in a crowded theater or saying "I have a bomb" on an airplane."Especially for a public official. He represents us (though I don't live
in South Jordan) because he is a spokesman in the legislature. My tax dollars
pay his salary and I find what he said to be offensive."Actually,
his constituents tax dollars pay for his salary and until your representative
votes to let them not pay pay taxes you and the guy down the street who
represents you can mind your own damn business. Let's not forget that my tax
dollars also pays for the idiot who represents you and some day it may even pay
your salary if your idiot neighbors elect you to represent them. Now why don't
you shut up or provide evidence!
Makes you wonder if ALL LDS are as bigoted as Buttars.
Linus,"Congratulation to all of you brilliant constitutionalists!
Don't you know that "free speech with consequences" is not free speech at
all!"No they don't know that. They don't understand that freedom of
speech means the freedom to express your opinion without fear. If
Buttars is punished for his comments that will have a chilling impact on any
state legislator who would dare to speak their mind about homosexuality for fear
that their constituents would be denied a person to speak for them."You sound like Hitler! Nazi's enforced the consequences of catching anyone
engaged in "irresponsible" free speech. America is in the crapper,"That's because these people are basically Nazi's at heart. They claim their
ideology to be liberal but as a liberal I don't support or condone their posts
since it proves to me that they don't accept even the most basic principles of
liberalism which is that the people can be trusted to do the right thing. Yet
these people have become so used to not having to debate or convince others to
agree with them when they can brandy about the word "right" so that its
@ WOW, who said:"Why is he being called to resign when radical
members of the gay community have never been called upon to apologize for
terrorist threats, boycotts, and demonstrations? If you are going to extend
'free speech' to one group, then don't deny it to another."True.
Let's talk about the death threats, blackmail letters, demonstrations, etc.
carried out by the PRO PROP HATE campaign BEFORE the election.I
think most of the above activities supposedly committed by the gay community are
probably self-inflicted by the Kristianist Reich (sic). It wouldn't be the first
time.Gays? TERRORISTS? Heck, we can't agree even what shade of
lavender to paint the Community Center (chuckle).And thanks, BTW,
for waking up a somnolent and apolitical gay community. The Mormon "church's"
actions on Prop Hate (sic) have galvanized us like nothing since the Stonewall
Riots.Don't look for us to go back into our closets anytime in THIS
life. Hopefully our closets in the NEXT life will be filled with DIVINE silk
gowns and gold wings .
The Great Hate State of Utah.
My hat off to Senator Buttars for having the courage to speak what is RIGHT.Thank you Sir for representing Utah like a man.
Actually, free speech IS speech with consequences. A person, within reasonable
limites (don't call "fire) in a crowded theater unless there's really a fire) is
free to say what s/he wishes. That does not, however, preclude other people
(within the same reasonable limites) from being free to express their
disagreement/disgust with what that person has said. That includes the type of
criticism and demands levelled against Buttars. Butters broved himself to be a
bigoted fool, and people properly reacted to it. That's what free speech is all
To My guess is that you are racist @1:47 This is JOHN @1:22 I am sorry that my
comments bothered you. I didn't mean them in a hurtful way toward anyone but
TO: "RE: My guess at 1:47,"You wrote: "Gay marriage has nothing to
do with the civil rights movement...""Here are some comments for you
from Coretta Scott King:"Hey racist, here's a news flash for you
Coretta Scott King doesn't speak for all black people or did you think that all
blacks are mindless drones with one mind? Did you know that Jesse Jackson who
was a personal friend of Martin Luther King said "Gays were never called
three-fifths of a person inthe Constitution...and they did not require the
Voting Rights Act to have the right to vote." I love it when you people try to
use a prominent black person to support your agenda. After all you have your
token black man or token black woman and that's all you need. Isn't it?Personally, your entire post is offensive and I say that as an individual
black man who is just as able to have an opinion of his own differing from that
of Coretta Scott King's as a white man has the right to have an opinion that
differs from Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi. Grow up!
People wonder why Utah has a national reputation for being a closed minded state
and an overall joke. This perception probably has something to do with Utahns
supporting and voting for someone like Buttars. Look who is representing us! I
am all about free speech, but someone like Buttars probably belongs on a golf
course somewhere far from the rest of humanity, not in Utah politics.
So many of you have said or believe that homosexuals are mentally ill and they
should be classified as such. But I have to ask, "Where's the illness?"No more than the population at large, homosexuals aren't psycotic, neurotic or
even any more disfunctional than their straight counterparts.The
only "illness" they may have is being on the opposite side of your religion and
its dogmatic prejudice towards homosexuals. In this case, it would certainly be
very safe to say that the illness does not lie with the homosexual, but with the
ignorant, dogmatic, theists who incessantly demand that gays are sick, evil
corruptors of society.From my point of view, the real threat to our
society are not the "sick" homosexuals, but the hateful and ignorant theists
with their agenda of prejudice and discrimination.
Uh, is everyone else as amused (not really) by the name, "Peter N. Mybum"
intentionally used above. Come on, have some decorum!Incidentally,
homophobia is a clever marketing ploy to beat down any opposition by those who
disagree with the immorality of homosexual behaviors. It's clearly becoming the
sacrament of those who care about their narrow and dangerous political agenda.
Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy for her own
purposes to support herself. How much do gay rights activist organizations
contribute to her organization? She fails to understand that trying to stand for
everything in the end means one stands for nothing.
Dear Marvin,If bigotry is what you consider 'manly' then I'd hate to
know what other definitons you hold to be true.
In reading C Buttars transcript, he states, "...Affrimative action. Now we
proved it don't work. Well here it is, in Utah, right now on the docket. They
give the gays privilege in hiring and employment. so it doesn't matter if I'm
the most skilled. You get the job. Now I've told them that will never pass in
Utah because all we'll do is prove that that don't work. But there they're after
it and they're pushing it hard." This is what
he took from the anti-discrimination bill that would keep gays from being fired
for just being gay.Is anyone listening to this man?
WAKE UP people in Utah! Your senator is being condemned and for what? Speaking
the truth?! Should we all have the courage to stand up and speak the truth. The
gay community wants an apology. For what? Because they are offended?! The gay
and lesbian community should issue an apology to the LDS Church and the people
of California for destroying property and targeting the people who voted for
Prop 8. They have put together a HIT LIST of all of us who donated to Prop 8 and
have listed it on Google Map so they can see our address, work address and
amount donated. It makes it easier for them to terrorize people this way. If
this were being done to them, you can bet they would have another lawsuit
started for discrimination and racism and bigotry! They can't see they are the
POSTER CHILDREN of discrimination, racism and bigotry! The definition of
marriage isn't the only thing on their hidden agenda. The FAMILY is next! Don't
believe me? Do your homework! You all better wake up and have the courage to say
ENOUGH or you will be just like California.
Mr. Buttars doesn't have the psychological mindset, to effectively perform - as
an elected offical. He can be compared to, a fish out of water, or conversely,
a man - in over his head! His black and white, simplistic thought process/view
of the world, is inadequate, rudimentry and destructive to both
himself/constituency; however, and sadly, his outward foolishness/ignorance of
expression, mirror, what many of his colleages - are thinking! That's an
alarming/disturbing reality, for me! There are others, with the same illness of
bigotry/ limited intellectual capacity, who sit beside him, in seats of power,
trust and responsibility! These more sophisticated, devious, political
operatives/ backroom manipulators, are more discrete, than the simple minded Mr.
Buttars - but just as vile/ dangerous! Personally, I'm not
comfortable, with the gay lifestyle, but these people, brothers, sisters, sons,
daughters, parents and relatives of all kinds, are human beings, with
wants/needs - just like straight folks! Equality, fairness and respect for all,
should be an expected norm - from State Government! Equality/rights, should
never be contingent upon, lifestyle acceptance, or one's view, of morality!
What kind of morality, supersedes equality/rights, under the rule of law?
You must not be Marvin, but Sen Buttars himself writing in.He is NOT
representing Utah like "a man".He is representing Utah like a hate-filled,
uninformed bigot. Huge difference.MikeyMike
I am truly amazed at the ant-like and/or sheep-like backing of Buttars by
Mormons.You people condone this type of tirade?You think he is
RIGHT?Wow, do YOU have some damage control ahead of you.More than
usual.There is NOTHING Christian about the likes of you.
JOHN,"To My guess is that you are racist @1:47 This is JOHN @1:22 I
am sorry that my comments bothered you. I didn't mean them in a hurtful way
toward anyone but Sen. Buttars."The problem you have is that you
choose to say things that offend others and expect others to be okay with it.
Why those who think its okay to use the civil rights movement to their own
political advantage think its okay to do so is beyond me. I am sick
and damn tired of hearing how being denied marriage is equal to slavery,
beatings, segregation, not having a right to vote, being denied the opportunity
to eat at the same restaurant or drink from the same water fountains and being
hosed down and having attack dogs released on you and your children is
comparable. It's not. It's time for same-sex marriage activists to admit that
this isn't an issue of rights but what they want. As soon as they do that we can
talk about what we can do to give them what they want and find common ground.
Until then they are offensive jerks
I find Buttars tirade and all who support him to be most un Christian.Who
would have thought so, especially in Utah.
I have known Chris Buttars since JR High - It was good to see you at the HS
reunion. Way to go I support you and your statement 1000%.If
I now lived in Utah I would definitely vote for you. Keep up the
good work Chris the people in your voting district support you as do most of
the state of Utah.Is it true that you were set up by a
gay/homosexual film maker to speak your feelings/beliefs? Why don't
all of the homosexuals go some place and build a city like Sodom & then the same
thing could maybe happen to them as it did in the days of Lott.Oh my gosh I spoke my feelings/belief what a bad man am I.
I am truly shocked that the gay community can ask for an apology when they fight
like h3!! for freedom of Speech - yet, they issue comments of hatred against the
Catholic and LDS Church's because they lost the vote in California. QUIT
WHINING! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL FOLKS!This is plain and simple FREE
SPEECH and anyone who tries to stop it is a hypocritical whining fool!
I'm the person that posted the comments from Coretta Scott King. I
did not say that "All blacks think the same." Since you and I have different
opinions - obviously they don't. Think about that.
Jason Rawlins,"Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy
for her own purposes to support herself. How much do gay rights activist
organizations contribute to her organization? She fails to understand that
trying to stand for everything in the end means one stands for nothing."While I agree with your position regarding same-sex marriage I'm
outraged that you belittle the memory of Coretta Scott King by assuming shes
still alive. She died and it is wrong for you to refer to her as if she was
still living.Show some respect for those who are no longer with us
by having the decency to refer to them in the past tense instead of trying to
use them for your own political points. You are as bad as those who are using
her to make the point that gay marriage is a right. While she may have agreed
with them it is wrong to resort to the words of those who are gone and to bring
dishonor to their good names regardless of the flaws of their opinions. Martin
Luther King said many offensive things but it would be wrong to bring him into
@Raymond H. Burgoon-ClarkYou stated, "Tradition is no excuse to write
BIGOTRY into SECULAR law." To which law are you referring? I know of
no law that actually calls for bigotry. In fact, I only know of laws that
protect from such actions.Now, if you are referring to the fact that
under the law only members of the opposite sex can marry, that's actually not
bigotry. Bigotry is, at its core intolerance. Last time I checked, America (and
Utah) still "tolerates" relationships other than a strict pairing of members of
the opposite sex. Therefore, it's not bigotry.Furthermore, all
citizens are allowed to vote their conscience at the ballot box, and there is no
restriction stating that votes and opinions have to be based in secularism or
religion. Perhaps you are playing the role of bigot by being intolerant of those
with beliefs and values that are different from your own?
Unfortunately, this topic touches such raw nerves on both sides that any hope of
rational thought from either view seems to be beyond reach.My two
irrational cents:While Sen. Buttars words are harsh and uneloquent, he has
broken no law, spoken no slander of any individual and he has every right
(admittedly not wisely used) to say what he wants. Just like his opposition has
the right to characterize my state and church as haters. I don't agree
completely with Mr. Buttars or his opponents but I'm sure grateful he and those
that oppose him have the right to freely express them. Any consequences should
come from those to whom he is accountable. It is easy in this day of moral
relativism, to stand in judgement of others and declare them less worthy or less
credible because we don't like what we hear... I think it arrogant and small
minded to dismiss those we don't agree with as less worthy of an opinion. I
myself am far too unwise and erred to worry about judging others, I know what I
believe and what I think is right, but I'm no better than anyone else.
I am for free speech. He is entitled to express himself. If those who voted him
in don't like what he is representing, they can vote him out. I think this is
the United States. The Gay Lesbian community is ready to denounce anybody who
doesn't agree with them and they seem to get away with it.
I was disappointed in the action taken by Senator Waddoups. He gave into the
militant gay movement which has an objective of intimidating its opposition into
silence. When Chris Buttars gave that interview, it was in confidence in his
office and not on the Senate floor. The people preparing the documentary were
not honest either. The producers are sympathetic to the gay-rights agenda. The
real target is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy for her own purposes to
support herself."Sorry. Coretta Scott King was MARRIED to
Martin Luther King.
Here's a priceless quote directly from Senator Buttars' interview:"They say Im born that way. There is some truth to that, in that some people
are born with an attraction to alcohol. One drink and youre gone. But if someone
tells you, or you have gay marriage and weve got two mommies and no daddies,
they grow up believing thats okay. And they say well we dont indoctrinate our
kids. Well my goodness. I mean call me stupid but if youre living with those
people and you love them, then youre going to figure thats okay."THOSE PEOPLE? Priceless.
I hope all the Good L.D.S. members who have said such mean and hateful Remarks
on here will remember Jesus sais,'Judge not and be not judged" Weather you agree
or disagree with what Chris Buttars said lets not preach HAte and Intolerance,
Gay or Straight we are all sons and daughters of God, Please remember that as
you are waiting to be translated due to your perfection, you may be surprised
when you are judged in the end....Not all L.D.S. Members are so Judgmental
and Self Rightous its down right embarrassing..
I am DEEPLY offended by those who call liberals and gays "nazis." If you Google
"pink triangle," you will find that Hitler tested the ovens at Auschwitz on gay
people before he went after the Jews. The NY Times at the time congratulated him
for ridding Germany of moral degenerates.THEN Google "Christian
Reconstructionism" and "Dominionism" ... the Kristian Reich wants us DEAD. They
pay Fred Phelps' bills to have him say what they don't have the courage to say
themselves. Google "Godhatesfags" (sorry, that's the name of the site) for HIS
take on the subject.Of course, HE hates Mormons too. Everybody but
his flavor of Baptist is going to hell, including Billy Graham (!).
As I follow your politics and never-ending co-mingling of Church/State/Law/Life,
I am at once pleased to have left Utah and the LDS church years ago, and sad
that my family there will get interrogated by our myriad friends from around the
nation/world.How in today's day and age can such narrow-mindedness
not only exist, but be perpetuated with such lock-step vigor from Mormons?I know that the majority of native Utahns (save for Missionaries) have
never/will never leave the state.Good thing, too. You wouldn't last a week
in any other major city. You would be crying and running full-tilt to the
nearest means of getting back to your insulated, uncultured, backward, little
fortress of a bigoted, hate-filled, holier-than-thou state. I can just hear the
gasps of breath as you get off the plane at SLC Int'l.DO the rest of the
world a favor. Stay there and in-breed yourselves into oblivion.The rest
of the world laughs at you.Jack
You Utah Mormon Republicans kill me. You have more zeal for the Republican Party
than you do for the church. You support a party that tramples human rights, has
an obvious disdain for the underprivileged, and uses labeling, mockery, and
cynicism as their only campaign technique. This is not the party of Reagan
anymore!! When will you get that through your thick skulls!! The Republican
Party uses Christianity as a political weapon while systematically abandoning
its principles! Yes they hate Mormons, because they hate everyone except those
who think just like they do in EVERYTHING. The party of zero tolerance has
become an absolute train wreck, and all of you so-called Saints who buy into the
policies of such hate mongers should be ashamed. The tired and mean spiritedness
of this party is anything but Christian. BTW, I am not referring to redefining
marriage, (I am for prop 8). I am referring to your republican ideals that so
blatantly favor "the elect" and trample "the least of these". What's wrong with
giving legal rights to gays? Look at this board, and see what you've become! The
party of HATE! So why do you claim to be Christian?????
Are you Peter N. Mybum's cousin?
Linus: There is a big difference between saying something and having the
government lock you away for saying it and having the people that pay your
salary ask you to no longer represent them. Interesting that you claim I'm a
Nazi, when Buttars works for the government to begin with. Why would they lock
up one of their own?As I recall, after Tom Hanks slandered the
Mormons a few months ago, most people on this blog said they would not support
his career by no longer seeing his movies. Why is that form of reaction to free
speech allowed, but Buttars can't be asked to step down?Oh I know
why....because you ARE Mormon but you are NOT gay. Well so am I. So what's
Let's keep it real people. What he said was stupid, but they were only words. At
least Mormons don't stone homosexuals to death, like a certain other religion
that nobody is allowed to talk about anymore. Does that make what he said right?
No. But it certainly pales in comparison to the way gays are treated in the
muslim world. Get a grip.
Thanks Sen Buttars. "I don't like what you say, but will defend your right to
Wow. I share my opinion on what free speech means and you sure go to town on
it. You ask me to "shut up or provide evidence" but what evidence did you
provide that my tax dollars don't support his salary? You really think the
government specifically allocates state revenues like that? Please. Name one
person that is employed in bifuracting each person's funds specifically to the
person that uses it.Thank you for reminding me that I am on the
right side of the fence, the side that doesn't believe in name calling, sarcasm,
or anger. The side that wishes to have a logical discussion.I pity
you and your anger management issues.
You wrote: "When Chris Buttars gave that interview, it was in confidence in his
office and not on the Senate floor."Um - he knew he was being filmed
for a documentary. The interview was not conducted under false pretense, he knew
that there a documentary film/program was being produced and that he would be
part of it. It doesn't matter that it wasn't on the Senate floor - in allowing
them to film him in his Senate office, he was therefore speaking as a Utah
You are correct, Caped Crusader, that Senator Buttars has broken no law.Well, it is not illegal to be a homosexual either.These clowns are
putting their wacked-out religious beliefs before law.Robin
Thank goodness for the utah senate president. he has the fortitude to stand up
for what is right. All the residents in utah should thenk him for his actions.
Hooray for you!!!!!!!!
@ MARVIN WHARTON, who thanked Sen. Buttars for representing Utah "like a
man."So, Mr. Wharton, your definition of a "man" begins and ends
with his sex-life?How sad!I am a retired priest. I have
buried MANY gay servicemen who DEFINED the word "man." And no, they didn't die
The Mormons have a lot of gall using the name "Jesus Christ" in their
Church.There is NOTHING Christ-like in the hate-filled writings of Mormons
in this column.Matt
I am gay and proud and I am glad that someone like Buttars gets punished.
Another quote: "They're alway exaggerating...But they have Gay Pride Day and
they said we're twenty-five thousand people. Well that's a lot of people.
However some of my friends told me that if you walked around the parking lots,
there wasn't hardly any cars from Utah. Wyoming, Idaho and he estimated I don'e
think it was half Utahns. But they portrayed it as that ..."Hardly any cars from Utah but at least 12,500 people were from Utah (by
his friends count). They must have had some really big carpools!No
exaggeration in his claims, are there?Who elected this man?
Senator Butters should be removed from the senate altogether. We don't need
people like him in government. He is not any better than Hitler was. Yes,
people have the right to different opinions, but it is totally unacceptable to
be so mean and hateful. It is people like you Senator Butters that scare me.
You are the problem.
And????? What of it other than you are offended by the truth.
Yes, please do stay out of Utah. Wouldn't want this place ruined.
Men can't have babies without a woman's eggs. A woman can't have babies without
a man's sperm. Men desiring men and women desiring women is unnatural
affection. In the New Testament of the Bible, to be quite frank the apostle
Paul prophesies of the wickedness and corruption of men and women in the last
days. Read about it in Romans chapter 1. Pay particular attention to verses 26
to verse 32. People these days think the Bible is a farce but it is correct.
Christ did and still does live. Christ was resurrected and what is true hate is
the display of these unnatural men and women! Their unnatural affection proves
these men hate women and the women hate the men! I think Buttars is a
true leader and our economy will not get better because of all the corruption
and evil that does exist in the hearts of so many men and women in this United
States. Good bye prosperity, good bye peace, good bye love, good bye freedom in
America and hello hell! Unless this people and these Sodomists repent!
Nice Comment Mr or Mrs On Me Face (O'nmeface)
I've been following these comments all day, over several articles, and a couple
of things have really struck me. Those who have chosen to bring up Christ & hate
rhetoric in the same sentence must have been raised in some other religion. My
mormon upbringing (I'm not currently active) taught me that we're all God's
children & it's not for us to judge or persecute others. Has "Love One Another"
been taken out of the hymnal? There's a very broad line between not agreeing
with homosexuality and comparing it to terrorism. No matter how out of context
the interview was, that part of Buttars' statement was pretty clear. Making that
statement while he's chair of a legislative committee that is deciding if bills
dealing with equal rights are even heard by the state senate, while in his
senate office, was an incredibly thoughtless act on his part. I don't feel his
thoughts were very Christian or humane, but, unfortunately, we've all seen
they're supported by many here on the forum. Free speech is like free choice,
there are always concequences.
I've never seen anyone stand up to the gay mafia like that. What a breath of
fresh air. Wish I could vote for this guy. The actions of the gay rights
activists since prop 8 has shown their true colors. They are filled with hate
and they are dangerous. They are incredibly intolerant of anyone that doesn't
follow their agenda. Speak out against them and see what happens. It's
laughable when these people call mormons intolerant. I don't know any mormons
that threaten people who say stupid things about the LDS Church, and it happens
a lot.This little bit from Buttars is priceless.Told that the
gay community wanted an apology for his comments, he said, "Well, they ain't
gonna get one."
Aside from first amendment issues, do you really want a guy that thinks, speaks
and conducts himself like Butters to be a leader in Utah? I find it quite
Lets be honest. I personaly know many Gay and Lesbian (btw, Lesbian is Gay)
people. Several are my friends. There is not one who deep down in side is
Proud to be Gay. Get to the root of your problem Son.
To "To KF"If the term THOSE PEOPLE doesn't offend you, then you
don't understand singling people out. It is an inflammatory statement - one a
person uses to make themselves seem superior. It may be YOUR
truth, it certainly isn't mine. Bigotry takes on many forms and religious
zealotry, regardless of the religion (even my own LDS religion) has no place in
a society of equals. If you want to see what a theocracy does to a society, go
visit the middle east.
Senator Buttars has the right to say what he believes. He doesn't have to
apologize to anyone. He didn't say anything other than the fact that the
"radical" gay movement is a threat to our society. IT IS!! As a parent of a
teenage girl, I have to constantly reinforce traditional values. She is having
to go out into a world where anything goes!! It is cool to be bi-sexual or
lesbian! And the sad thing is, they only do it to get attention.. Sure looks
like the gay community has cornered the market on getting attention!!
"Men can't have babies without a woman's eggs. "Sorry, men
can't have babies even with woman's eggs. Men can't have babies period. Did
you ever take a biology class?
God bless Chris Buttars for standing tall for tradition once again and refusing
to knuckle under to political correctness.This too will pass. After
all, even Jesus Christ Himself stumbled and fell as He carried His cross to
Calvary, but He picked Himself up and completed His mission. Likewise, so will
Chris Buttars.Sometimes it is necessary to take a step backward and
regroup behind a more defensible perimeter in order to take two steps forward in
the future. In the long run, we will prevail.
"In the New Testament of the Bible, to be quite frank the apostle Paul "also said that women should have their head covered in church and should
not speak.How come you don't obey that commandment?
Look if he wanted to resign he would of done it a long time ago. He will only
stay on for 2 more years until he is able to receive health care for life when
his legislature tenure is reached. Many do not know this but this is his plan.
Until he reaches the years required to be in office to be able to get health
care for life he wont be leaving any time soon.
"Their unnatural affection proves these men hate women and the women hate the
men! "I am a gay woman. I do not hate men. That would mean
that I hate my father, my brothers, my son and my grandson. I love them all. I
have many friends that are male. Most of my friends are the same way.Aren't you stretching reality to fit your own truth? Look around you
and ask your gay friends if they hate the opposite sex. You might be
actually the tired old talk of sodom and gam. referring to homosexuality is
ridiculous. Go read the old testament. The men in that city calling for Lot to
give up the two angels so they could "know" them doesn't refer to consensual sex
between the same gender, it's a reference to rape. That's pretty much what they
were doing trying to break the door down. And if Lot knew the men to be
homosexual, why would he offer up his daughters to them instead? (hardly a noble
act). And the scriptures people refer to concerning homosexuality are weak at
best.abusers of themselves manKIND (refers to men and women)going after strange flesh (references to bestiality)I love
this reference in Ezekial chapter 16 verse 49 (before and after too)49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread,
and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she
strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. hmmmm...sounds like a
few people I know in Utah. Any proud or idle LDS members here? Do you all
give to the poor? Sure you're not a sodomite?
Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, and by all major world religions.
Whoever thinks it is right or normal must be athiest, or they are most likely
going against their own religious beliefs. But that doesn't mean that
homosexuals should be reviled. We are all children of God. There's a fine line
between standing up for what is morally right and being haters and name callers.
We as Christians should be find a way to love and serve our fellow homosexuals
without approving of their behavior. The hard part is knowing just where that
vote for Buttars in the last election. I admire a man who stands up for what
most Utahns believe. He dance around the issues trying to win votes to stay in
office.Maybe Scott McCoy should be removed from his committees as
well for his comments. Oh, I forgot, its ok for gays to say whatever hateful
comments that they want. Its freedom of speech. But if your conservative....
Waddoups has not done enough. He doesn't want to. He's as conservative as
Buttars, just a whole lot smarter; he knows when to shut up. Buttars' loose
cannon is the biggest threat to Utah right now. Vote him and Waddoups out.
They are out of touch with the rest of the world and out of touch with
mainstream Utah. We should not support the kind of insensitivity that B & W
show. I am a registered Republican, vote Republican, go to church, am raising a
family, have plenty of gay friends who I veiw as good and moral people (unlike
how Buttars views them) and am not threatened by their lifestyle. Republicans
seem intent on ruining our party for the rest of us. Ease up on the social
issues or else you are going to lose the battles and the war. This next
generation finds no heroes in Utah's Republican Party (except Huntsman). No one
looks up to Waddoups with true faith and belief. He's such a shadow figure I
don't trust him at all.
"There is not one who deep down in side is Proud to be Gay."Did they all tell you that or are you supposing that they should feel that
way? I know many more gays than you ever will and ALL of them are
proud of who they are. Only those who haven't sorted out their religion and
their reality are questioning. It doesn't take long to know the truth.
The other thing, and this is driving me nuts, is the repeated statement by many
posters that "homosexuality has ruined societies from the beginning of time!"
What?! Where are you uneducated nitwits getting this? Any facts to back these
claims up? Any examples other than Rome & Greece? I hate to admit that I have
to rely on my underfunded Utah public education here, but I don't remember
*ever*, in high school ap history or my college classes or any history show or
study or book, *ever* hearing that any kind of proof that sexuality of any kind
brought down any civilization. Over expansion, yes; change of power, yes;
misuse of resources, yes; corrupt governments, yes; surprise volcanoes, yes;
being gay, no! The problem with most societies is that they're full of people,
period. One last comment: to all who have been saying that all
Mormons are bigots and gay-haters, please don't give into generalization. Many
Mormons know how to think for themselves & know that there's a bigger world
beyond state lines. Some of us just got stuck here in Utah & are trying to do
the best we can to remain normal.
Not about everything Butter said was correct about gays being terroists and
being the main cause of destroying our freedoms and america but much of it is!
Our freedom of speech was taken from us even more because of the gays. Rockey
Anderson can say whatever he wants and all the gays like him. But conservatives
are not allowed to speak at all.
Religion makes some people into monsters. Hats off to the good LDS who do not
subscribe to Buttars so called Christian stance, while surving the people of
Utah. Yea, right
I agree with the good senator. He is voicing an opinion that may be unpopular
with some. But why can't he speak his opinion? I personally find comments made
by the gay community to be offensive! Let's censure them too! What about my
right to NOT be offended too? Just because us "hetero" folk are not as vocal as
the gay community doesn't mean our voice shouldn't be heard too! I am really
weary of every gay in the community being heard in the media every time they are
offended. Well, gay community, you offend me too -- every time you speak for
your rights. What about my rights to NOT hear you?
that there was at some some consequence to Buttars for his course comments. He
does not live in this century. He gives ever Utah resident a black eye. For
those who disagree, do you or do you not believe people who are different than
you still have rights??
It's about time Senator Buttars is reprimanded for his insensitivity and
boorishness. I believe that he is entitled to his opinion about the gay/lesbian
community. However, I also believe that someone in his position--one who
represents thousands of constituents--should be more diplomatic and sensitive
when speaking as a Senator. If he happened to be MY senator, I would be furious.
I have a hard time believing that his cruel words truly represent the mindset of
the majority of his constituents. Come on, West Jordan residents! Enough is
enough! Surely you will not re-elect him next time around.....
Freedom of speech goes on the defensive ---Yes, freedom of speech is
a right guaranteed by the Constitution.However, there are limits and
consequences.People in the public arena know that to air public
opinion has its consequences --- and therefore they are careful on how they
express them.To outright say that anyone has the right to say
whatever he or she wants is limited and at best, immature.Freedom of
speech, for example, might be the grounds for libel, defamation of character,
and slander. Freedom of speech might jeopardize national security or even
deprive others of their rights. Freedom of speech might encroach on copyright
laws. Freedom of speech might the basis for violating someone else's rights on
the grounds of national origin, identity, gender, class, language, etc. Freedom
of speech might be the basis for harrassment in the workplace.At the
other end of the spectrum, what would stop someone else from villifying people
such as the Senator, using the same logic?
@ GO AWAY GAYS:Isn't that precisely why the MORMONS are in UTAH?
Nobody wanted THEM either!It's interesting to watch as one minority
group after another achieves civil rights, only to turn and step on those
standing on the next-lowest rung of the ladder.The anti-gay Orthodox
Jews in Jerusalem are perhaps the most unbelievable example ... Hitler tested
the ovens at Auschwitz on gay men before he began the Shoah against Jews.But then, African-Americans voted overwhelmingly for Prop HATE. What's
up with THAT??!!So ... Mormons and Republicans and African-Americans
have got theirs; to he!! with liberals, Democrats, etc.?Why does
that sound suspiciously like the situation in the US for the past eight years
under the BuschReich??
Free Speech? | 10:25 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009Sure, Chris Buttars is
entitled to his right to free speech.He is also entitled to the
consequences of his free speech.
Senator Buttars has a right to say whatever he pleases. He is guaranteed that
right by the Constitution. But those who are offended by his words are also
free to protest them. I happen to believe that his absolute inability to show
thoughtfulness, compassion, diplomacy and self-restraint makes him unfit to
represent the people of West Jordan in the State Legislature. This latest
fiasco just drives home the point. The sad thing is that it probably won't be
the last time it happens....
What's it going to take to get rid of this guy?
Anonymous at 4:23 said, "I am gay and proud and I am glad that someone like
Buttars gets punished."Well, I am not gay, I am LDS (and I support
the LDS position on gay marriage), I have lived most of my life in Utah, and I
am also glad that someone like Buttars gets punished. His comments have
consistently been offensive, and I don't understand how he managed to be elected
into office. I believe it is possible to debate moral and
consitutional issues such as gay marriage without resorting to
slandering/vilifying anybody who doesn't share your opinion. Buttars strikes me
as highly opinionated, uneducated, and uncouth. We all deserve better
representatives who work to unite and find common ground to build upon.
I am sick of all the hateful remarks and judgements made toward all LDS people
for what 1 person did. I guess I am going to need to pray for all of you and
forgive you and find peace in my imperfect self.The world is getting worse
and worse. I guess it is my job to be a man and take all these hateful remarks
toward my faith like a man and this is also a trial where I need to forgive
I don't think I have the ability to have a rational argument with people who
talk to invisible entities. Once there was a movie with James Steward called
"Harvey." Jimmy Steward Elwood P. Dowd who makes friends with a spirit taking
the form of a human-sized rabbit named Harvey that only he sees. You realize
people who are strange are still good people. I've read people
trying to convince people who get their marching orders from unseen spirits
seems feudal. Some poor sheep herder with sun stroke had a vision or
wrote a great tale on sheep skin and some think its gospel. There are people who
define their world by words written by people who would think the flame on a Bic
lighter was miraculous.You would be better served explaining that
energy is equal to the mass times the speed of light squared to a two year old.
I hope the LDS church calls him on a mission to either San Franciso or Alabama.
Are you aware of how much your hatred and rage are showing? It is called
transference when you equate your own dark frustrations with the focus of your
antipathy. I am sure you sincerely believe the things that you said because you
have surrounded yourself with like-minded people. I've lived in Utah and five
other states and I have a very different perspective from you and I have
hundreds of non-Mormon friends and family. I hope you can learn to let go and
find some peace.
When this nation collapses and goes communist the homos will be the first to be
I bet the Republican Senators are tired of Buttars and his protector and buddy
Waddoups. Will Waddoups last as President? Buttars had many strikes against
him, then he exploded last year with two major mistakes (just ask the African
American Community and the state's judges, one of whom he harrassed). What
happened, Valentine took him out of one leadership post. Valentine paid the
price and lost his top spot, Waddoups took it instead. How is that working out
for you Waddoups? Enjoying the spotlight that you stole and also restored to
your buddy Buttars? Liking the heat of the moment. Well, you came across
really badly today. Poor showing by Waddoups at a time of real division. You
basically said Buttars was right, I don't have time for this, but I'll whack him
a little harder than Valentine did last year so you'll all go away. I don't
think Republicans in general like the way you handled this one. Your Senate
colleagues certainly hate being embarrassed by Buttars and now you, Waddoups.
No sensitivity training available up there? No diversity training up there? No
legal training up there? Angry voters are on their way.
Just what is it that makes men and women desire their own sex? Is your brains
short circuited or what? There something definitely wrong!
What comes to mind is the Old Testament story (why does all the hatred come from
the OLD Testament?)where man is so in love with himself he believes he can
give birth: Eve miraculously coming from Adam's rib.LOL!
The comments Buttars made are freely available worldwide via the Internet. In
this thread there are ~350 comments and counting, a huge number of them whining
about how the gays are taking away "free speech." All these comments are freely
available worldwide via the Internet.Now I'll use some of my own
free speech: You people are morons.
@ Deseret Dawg:To compare Chris Buttars to Christ is blasphemous,
not to mention ridiculous and inaccurate.
I was upset to hear that the Senate decided to strip Sen. Buttars of some of his
responsibilities, just because of what he said. I think people forget that he
was asked point blank what his opinion was on the gay rights issues, and he gave
it. Perhaps, he could have used more delicate language, but he was right on
point. If you don't think that the gay and lesbian movement is dangerous, then
you obviously have not read their mission statement that was printed in the
newspaper a few days ago. It says point blank that they are out to destroy the
moral fiber of our American society and any religion that stands in their way
will also be utterly destroyed. If this is not a threat to the American way of
life, then I don't know what is. Thank you Sen. Buttars for expressing your
opinion and bringing some awareness to the real situation.
@ AWESOME, who said:"The actions of the gay rights activists since
prop 8 has shown their true colors. They are filled with hate and they are
dangerous."NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS KILLED BY GAYS: 0NUMBER
OF GAYS KILLED BY CHRISTIANS in the past two thousand years: Oh,
several million would be a conservative estimate.Blaming the victim
is as old as religious fascism, which, sadly, is as old as Paul's writings in
the NT.The Roman Empire fell because the (pagan) BARBARIANS invaded
from the north, and Rome's troops were too thinly deployed to defend the entire
Empire. Neither gays nor Christians had anything to do with it, though the Roman
Emperor scapegoated the latter, and the CHRISTIANS later scapegoated (and
continue to scapegoat) the former.
Yes they told me. Also, what makes you so sure you know more gay people than
me? Do you know who I am, what I do and how I even know many of these people?
Big assumtion on your part. And to correct you, I am sure many of the gay
people you know are proud of who they are but I assure you they are not proud to
be Gay. They will reach out to a group of people to gather support and that is
O.K. but I am quite certain they wished they didn't have to bare this crutch.
Is this really going to boil down to a free speach issue in the minds of
Utahn's? We all know how government works but at what point should we be
concerned? This is as inappropriate as it gets and to have an elected official
publicly persecute a segment of society is not right. GAY PEOPLE ARE NOT BAD,
NOR DIFFERENT THAN YOU AND I!We all know, and let's not kid
ourselves, gay folks have always been here and will always be here. I maintain a
strong opinion that God does not look unfavorably upon anyone who shows love to
another human being regardless of who or how.How long do we honestly
hope to hold a segment of society down with fewer rights and priveledge than the
rest of us have? Is it even remotely reasonable to think society would cease to
function? I'm bothered by the narrow view of so many and I personally feel it is
time to live and let live. Let's love one another, treat ourselves
fairly, and focus on the real problems in the world.
Pride: enmity between you and God or between you and another person. Christ
said to love your enemies. The Book of Mormon teaches that contention is of the
devil. What many of you fail to understand is, regardless of whether or not
Buttars is right, or wrong, his methods are COMEPLETELY WRONG, and offensive to
God. He does not teach with the Spirit. He creates fear and animosity. If you
disagree with me, then you need to read your scriptures more carefully. No one
is edified when Buttars speaks. If you really want to convert someone to your
cause, you must use the Spirit. Any thing less is an excuse. Buttars gives us
Mormons a bad name. Look to the General Authorities. Buttars is NOTHING like
them, and neither is Hannity, Limbaugh, Ruzicka...
Yes, Senator Buttars has freedom of speech and the right to not condone the gay
lifestyle. However, I think the words he used to express himself were cruel,
insensitive, divisive, showed a lack of any civility or compassion on his part,
as well as, gave the state of Utah a black eye.
All you politically correct, thought controlling, free speech hating liberals
are really asking for a war aren't you?
Well said, John.
I don't mean a real war, or course, but a political war. With the way this
current Congress and Administration is going, I see the Dems losing their
controlling interest in Congress in two years.
I find it sad that so many people paint with such a wide brush on these comment
boards. Haven't we all learned through our many interactions with others in
this world that majority/minority groups have a broad spectrum of people
affiliated with them. The thoughts/thoughtless comments of a few do not
represent those of the group as a whole. Not everyone fits in the perfect boxes
you create for them (not all muslims are terrorists for example). I don't fit
in any of your boxes as stipulated in this thread.
Shame on you Utah Senate for punishing an act of free speech. You may not agree
with him, but I thought Americans had freedom of speech, even publicly elected
officials. No form of speech should ever be regulated or punished by any
government body or government person. That sets a dangerous precedence that
leads to governments like the Nazi regime.If someone's speech is to
have any consequences, it should be the people that bring about those
consequences, not government.
I am sad that AS a constituent of Mr. Buttars, my voice is ignored and clearly
not considered in lieu of his own personal convictions. He is not expected to
make everyone happy, but he IS responsible to represent us and not speak and act
like a child. I don't feel that it is his job to speak in such a callous manner,
even if it is his right to speak his mind. That's not the point. Use tact and
speak well. That's his job.
I believe everyone has freedom of Speech, and Senator Buttars Represents the
voice of his district--and it appears that others on Capitol Hill agree that he
does not clearly represent that voice.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean that we are free from the consequences. But
Buttars did have every right to state his opinion. Yes, he is facing big
consequences. But at least he got his opinion heard. That is more than a lot of
us are doing. We can all say what we want, although it doesnt always mean that
we should. But I still think that it was good to get his voice heard. Utah does
not have the greatest hate on earth. and if you have a problem with us here,
then you can leave. Utah is doing the best it can to be pleasing to everyone.
Lighten up on us!!!!!
Can't everyone just get along? If you don't like the fire, do you really think
that throwing gas on it will produce the results you desire? Let's all take a
deep breath, shrug off Buttar's comments, and move forward in harmony.
he got to have his voice heard which is more then we can say about the people
that sponsored the common ground bills their voices where squelched by Buttars
and his friends before they ever got to be openly debated on the senate or house
floors. If you dont like it you can leave knid of seems to contradict your
claims that you support free speech or that Utah is doing the best it can to be
pleasing to everyone
i agree with Sen Buttars. gay actions are immoral behavior just like Biblical
writers state. i applaud Sen buttars for his courage to stand up for what is
Getting People for what they say. Will only encourge the PC People and noisey
little sub groups. Butters commited No Crime and did No Wrong. His
viewpoint is his and he is allowed to express his view point. Many people have
the same view point as he does. (I don't) I think it Abortion that hinders
America, Not Homosexuals, but he is entitled to say what he thinks.
When was the last time Senate President Waddoups read the Bill of Rights? How
dare he and the Utah Senate remove Senator Buttars as Chair of the Senate
Judiciary Committee - not for any wrongful act - but for exercising his most
basic constitutional right? When it comes to the homosexual movement, it
appears that freedom of speech only covers speech which agrees with their
position. Whatever happened to honest disagreement, to a valid difference of
opinion and voicing that opinion? Yes, if losing freedom of speech by all our
citizens is one of the main fruits of the homosexual movement, then they
certainly are a threat. However, they can't take away our right to freedom of
speech without the cooperation of people like our Senate, elements of the media,
and citizens who don't care enough about everyone's right to freedom of speech
to stand in defense of it. I would respectfully request that the Utah Senate
reinstate Senator Buttars, and his/our right to freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech.But that argument is missing the point. Buttars was removed from two
committees. One of those committees was the committee that heard the common
ground initiatives. Buttars clearly stated that he did not and would not give
consideration to those bills because of his feelings towards that population.
In other words, Buttars stated that he had a conflict of interest and was unable
to do the job required by his membership on that committee. Now, if you went
into work on Monday, and told your boss you weren't going to do your job, would
it be a violation of your freedom of speech for your boss to remove you from
that position? Of course not.The membership in the second committee
depended on the membership in the first committee. When the one position was
lost, the second one followed. Again, this is not an infringement on Buttars
speech - it is a natural consequence of his inability to do the job required by
the position.Buttars can say whatever he wants. Letting his
personal opinions interfere with his ability to do his job is a different
Several years ago when k.d. lang was a country singer, she spoke out against
meat. Now, this was probably not a really great idea considering that most of
her fans were ranchers. People reacted by not buying her records and she had to
switch genres.A few years ago the Dixie Chicks made comments
slamming on Pres. Bush. People responded by not buying their records and
demanding radio stations not play their music. The Dixie Chicks eventually
apologized but they have not returned to their pre-controversy popularity.A few days ago, Buttars made some comments about gay people. At the
time he made these comments, he was on committees that heard bills dealing with
gay people. As a result of his comments, Buttars was removed from those
committees.This is not a violation of Buttars' freedom of speech any
more than the reactions to k.d. lang and the Dixie Chicks were violations of
their freedom of speech - it is merely the (much lauded) market system at work.
And I support Free Speech. Why is it that only gays and lesbians can speak
their minds? Buttars did nothing wrong and he deserves the support of all good
He may represent the views of many of his constituents, but he does not
represent mine. I voted against him last time, and I'll vote against him next
Let Buttars enjoy his first amendment rights as a private citizen, not as a
person who supposedly represents us.
I live in Senator Buttars' district and am embarrassed to have him as our
representative. And I am equally embarrassed by the comments of some who are
defending what he said. Comparing gay activists to radical muslims and calling
homosexuality the greatest threat to America is indefensible.How did
we elect someone like this to represent us? It is not as though we didn't know
he is prone to making improper and inflammatory statements. Referring to
legislation as a "black baby" is equally indefensible. I didn't vote to reelect
him precisely because he made that comment. Yet apparently that wasn't enough to
keep others from voting to reelect him. I don't get it.We need to
stop voting for someone simply because they are republican and instead take a
closer look at the person. Certainly John Rendell would have been a better
What's the point? The point is you're no more qualified to tell gay people
about God and homosexuality than anyone else. Gays who follow Christ...who
never mentioned homosexuality that meet...they are as much or more christian
than you. :)
Thank you, Senator Buttars, for speaking truth to "power". It's a shame you and
your constituents have been punished for it.
All Black People and All People of Color are not the same. I should No More Vote
for Obama because he is part black and I am part black, then the Man in the
Moon. To many Blacks did that, "he is Black and that is all they needed to know"
Many people did or did not Vote for Mitt, because he was Mormon like them or
against him because they where Not Mormon and Voting for a Mormon would be
releasing some sort of Gargoyle.The Media tried to destroy Palin.
because she attended an Assembly Of God Church where some Members Speak in
Tongues, and raise their hands to Praise The Lord. They also Believe in Faith
Healing and Getting Slain in The Spirit. The ones I know are some of the Nicest
people On The Earth. Jesse Jackson was more then Martin Kings
Friend. He walked point with Martin King and his life was in danger on a daily
basis. To Me Jesse Jackson can do No Wrong. However he far from represents me or
a lot of other Conservative People of Color. The Homosexuals are Not
The Bad Guys, The Abortionist Are The Bad Guys.
We used to say we love the sinner and hate the sin. Now it seems like we see no
sin? Homosexuals are predators. While everyone is acting like they are a
discriminated class of citizens they are spreading their dark doctrine and
enlisting our children. Just for the record the use of the word "dark" only
means without light. Thank you Sen Buttar's for telling it like it is. We are allowing the liberal media, and schools to promote this and other
unhealthy and sinful life styles on our children. It is a sad day in Utah when
this type of honesty is being censured. Homosexual behavior is a grievous sin
that if not repented of, will lead to misery. Love the sinner hate the sin.
Ok, demand Buttars' resignation for the ideas he holds and the language he uses
to express them. Now demand the resignation of Reid, Pelosi, and Michael
Savage, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rush Limbaugh, Keith Oberman, the list goes on and
on, up to and including Pres. Obama. If all it takes for a person to lose their
job is someone else's moral outrage, then there will be no one left employed.
My parents raised my brother and I equally with love and affection. Nothing
traumatic happened to me in my childhood. I was not molested and I was not
abused. I am gay because that is the way I was born. The same as my brother is
straight because that is the way he was born. Neither was a choice. Sexuality is
an animal instinct. Anyone who was raised on a farm knows that. Some animals are
gay and there is nothing you can do to change it. A gay horse is not going to
stud with a mare. Just because humans can think we're supposed to believe we can
chose who we are attracted to? That makes no sense at all. Denying that you are
gay is just like dying your hair. On the outside you are a platinum blond but
you will always grow black hair. Don't hate me because I was born with black
To: "Buttars can't claim that he's being Christ-like!!" who said: "From what I
was taught and what I firmly believe, God and Christ love UN-conditionally. I'm
sure Christ wasn't afraid to speak his mind, but I HIGHLY doubt he went around
putting people down and calling them terrorists just because they weren't
"following his word"What bible are you reading? Yes, the Savior was
compassionate. Yes, he supped with sinners? Yes, he was patient with sinners.
But don't tell me that he didn't stand up for what was right. Remember, he was
killed by a group who couldn't accept the fact that he kept "putting them down"
and calling them things such as "whited seplechures" and "a wicked generation"
and turning their tables over in the temple. There is right and there is wrong
and the Savior always gives the people doing wrong (which is all of us) a chance
to change but never bowed to what was popular at the time when it was dead
wrong. The same applies now. I love my gay relatives, but they cannot force me
to accept their views as right and good.
Just remember before condemning this guy, the gay and lesbian community did
react in terrorist fashion after Prop. 8. I consider death threats,
violence, vandalism, slander and interference of religious worship, terrorists
tactics. Maybe this is what Buttars was thinking about when he made
his comments. Plus, even though his comments were harsh, we do
believe in free speech. I heard plenty of comments worse than what Buttars said,
towards Mormons and no one even had there hand slapped. Shouldn't Tom Hanks
career be over too?
Is it possible that Buttars is a closet case?
Buttars can speak for himself. But when he speaks as a State Senator, he is
responsible to his constituents for his to be respectful in his statements. When
he holds responsible positions in the State Senate, he speaks for the Senate as
well as for himself, and he should have the intelligence to speak non-hatefully.
The real trouble is that many around the country suppose that Buttars is
speaking for the LDS Church or that his remarks are representative of LDS views.
He has damaged the Church's reputation considerably by his hateful comments. No
one can show me anywhere in the last 20 years that the LDS Church has made any
anti-gay public statements so filled with gnashing of teeth as those made by the
Embarrassment of West Jordan.
The fact that there are so many comments just indicates that Senator Buttars'
comments were right on target. Good for him to express his sentiments.Free
speech is available regardless of political office.
Yep. A hate filled bigot gets to go on a mission but a kid who makes one mistake
doesn't.Sounds about right.
The term "judicial committee" suggests to me that there would be a suggestion of
impartiality from a personally held belief system and acting in a fair and
impartial way when it comes to all the citizens of Utah when making laws.The Committee needed to maintain the integrity of this "judicial" i.e.
impartial work. They came correct by letting him go as he could not act in a
fashion condusive to the design of the Committee.
There is a lot of hate on the forum today. And yesterday. Now either it is an
oil deposit and someone struck it, or they laid down the oil and then brought it
up. hmmmmmm.The senator has the right to speak his mind, and should.
And then we all have run for cover because he is so embarassing.But
darn it I have a grandpa like this and we love him. We also hide his bottles.
@ WHOA, who said:"Just remember before condemning this guy, the gay
and lesbian community did react in terrorist fashion after Prop. 8."NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS KILLED BY GAYS: 0NUMBER OF GAYS KILLED BY
CHRISTIANS:oh, several MILLION in the past 2,000 yearsNUMBER
OF MORMON CHURCHES AND TEMPLES DESTROYED BY GAYS: 0NUMBER OF MCC
(pro-gay) CHURCHES DESTROYED BY HOMOPHOBES: 10% of the total number of MCC
churches have been burnedDon't tell ME about terrorist tactics. I
was organist of MCC/San Diego for YEARS. I had to walk through ROCK-WIELDING
kristianist fanatic pickets to get to church on Sunday.
@ EHEMPLE, who said,"Homosexuals are predators."Cite me
studies that prove that assertion, please. Something like 95%-98% of child
molesters are HETEROSEXUALS, and close friends or relatives of the molested
Thank you to Senator Buttars for standing up to the special interest groups!!!
They seem to think that if anyone says something against these groups, they need
"sensitivity training." Well, these special interests are ruining our country.
Thank you, Senator, for stating what is in the best interest of the country,
rather than just the vocal minority.
Chris Buttars has every right to express his opinion. But it is clear that he
absolutely lacks in Christlike love and compassion - not to mention even a small
amount of tact.Given his elected position and LDS membership, it is
IMPOSSIBLE for this not to reflect negatively upon the LDS Church and the State.
The Church's public image has been hammered time and time again the past year or
so and this just adds to it. Those with eyes to see recognize that
the 13 million announced membership is limping along at maybe 4-5 million active
members and a very stagnant growth rate. Those of us who are concerned about
this lack of growth and the thousands of resignations SLC processes annually,
cringe at yet another high profile black eye. Chris Butters HURTS the LDS Church
- period. Not through the opinion he has a constitutional right to express, but
through the incredibly divisive, insensitive and frankly moronic way in which he
Yes, Buttars has the right to state his opinion.However, comparing
homosexuals to Islamic terrorists, who are indiscriminate killers, is hateful,
bigoted, ignorant, and short-sighted, and a complete shame to his public office
and everyone he represents, even if some of the constituents he represents are
just as short-sighted and hateful as he is.What if he had said the
same thing about Jews? Or black people? Would there still be people here
defending him? What's the difference?I find it increasingly hard to
defend the freedom of speech rights of people who claim that gay marriage is a
threat to our society. It's now to the point where anyone who lashes out against
the gay community in such a way really is just unabashedly homophobic and
"When this nation collapses and goes communist the homos will be the first to be
exterminated!"You sound like you are looking forward to that
occurance. Be careful for who else they may come for? Mormons?
Does anyone else see the blunt irony in Sen. McCoy being the one to say that
Sen. Buttarss words are a stain on the Senate and the Senate should be held to a
higher standard? I dont always agree with the way that Sen. Buttars says
things, but he should be free to say them without fear of threats or
intimidation. He should not have been removed from the committee or the
chairmanships. He was duly elected, has not committed any crime which should
change that, and he should be allowed to serve.
Buttars said nothing that is false. Inflammatory yes... but not untrue.
Anonymous asked for studies supporting the assertion that homosexuals are
predators. One need only Google for a plethora of sites with studies and data
supporting that fact. You may start with the Family Research Institute and the
AFA Journal. And check out NAMBLA (the gay organization promoting man-boy sex).
so everyone is still spreading propaganda about the "hoorable way gays acted
after prop 8" several months ago but no one is talkng about the less tehn
civilized manner that anti gay rights people have acted after the governors
remarks last week. selective reasoning?
There was nothing in our Constitution as it was originally written about Racial
rights, womens rights or any other group rights. There was a slight mention
about ALL of us being equal under the law. Operative word is ALL, not ALL
EXCEPT (fill your prejudice here). The world is full of narrow minded bigots and
Buttars is just one of them. I assume many of his constituents are as well or
they wouldn't keep re electing him.
Buttars does serve a purpose he prevents bills that may not cast the republicans
that live in more moderate districts in a good light if they had to take a stand
from ever being debated on the house and senate floors and can always be counted
on to make silly comments to draw heat away from the republican party. Think
about it people are so caught up in this story that they are no longer even
paying attention to anything else happening on the hill. You dont need to worry
about his free speech rights the Republican Party will make sure there is always
someone there to write down or record anytime Buttars wants to speak his mind.
I believe homosexuality is wrong. I wish they'd stop pushing their lifestyle in
my face.Homosexual activists want to paint anyone that speaks out
against their lifestyle as a "bigot" or "hater"... unfortunately the mainstream
media and Hollywood is pushing this idea on the youth of our country.I fear for our freedom of speech in the future.
I am a returned missionary, BYU graduate, ex-mormon, gay. Yes, we exist, by the
tens-of-thousands. Chris Buttars is a mormon Utah state senator. These two
types of people are not mutually exclusive. This is America. All are suppose
to be equally welcome, protected, have freedom of religion, belief,
consciousness and speech. Chris has the right to say what he did, no matter how
awful. Those who disagree with him have the right to protest what he said.
However, in Chris position he also has the responsibility to protect the rights
and privileges of ALL. This ALL includes both mormons and non-mormons,
straights and gays. Being human, Constitutionally gays also deserve protection
in ALL rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that may
be. Yet, at this current time we really dont have ALL those rights and
protections. Many here have called us hypocrites. Yes, that happens. There
are hypocrites on both sides. I ask those who use this word to evaluate their
own rights, freedoms and protections and see how they might apply to the ALL of
humanity, including those who are gay.
Hooray for Buttars standing up for freedom of speech. I wish more of our leaders
in Utah and around the country would support our constitutional rights instead
of stomping them out and giving homosexuals special rights and protections that
infringe on everyone else's rights. Homosexuals have been the most intolerant
bigoted group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that
they have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing
them. I wish our leaders would crack down and speak out about the bigotry
eminating from within the homosexual community and protect Christians from these
kinds of retributions.
Homosexuals should show tolerance and forgiveness for others instead of trying
to get Buttars booted and spending their time attacking him. The Christian thing
to do is to spread the good word and warn our neighbors, i.e. homosexuals,
otherwise we'll be in condemnation ourselves. I think we should be clear and
speak out that homosexuality is wrong and that we care about them that is why we
are telling them they need to repent or face condemnation. Homosexuals need to
follow all of the principles of the gospel to be saved. I think that this is our
duty. The truth is hard for the wicked.
funny that Paul Cameron would choose to site two conservative special interest
groups and an organization with no ties to the gay community and that has been
condemned by many gay organizations. Let me site some creditable sources (the
actual licensed professionals that deal in human behavior). Try searching the
American Pediatric society, the American Psychological Association and the
National Association of Social Worker (Notice I do not reference the human
rights campaign or Equality Utah also special interest groups). I will even do
you one better (if I can get the DN to indulge me. I will provide you the names
and authors of 24 pieces of research (by professionals not special interest
groups) that directly refute your claims. Cont..
Studies refuting Pauls claims:1. Gay/lesbian parents report no greater
stress than heterosexuals, and children are not adversely affected by being
raised by homosexual families 2005 Lambert S. Family Journal: Counseling &
Therapy for Couples & Families 13(1): 43-51. 2."Gay and Lesbian Families:
What We Know and Where to Go From Here" 2004 Wainright J. Child Development
75(6): 1886-1898. 3."Psychosocial Adjustment, School Outcomes, and
Romantic Relationships of Adolescents With Same-Sex Parents" 2003 Golombok S.
Developmental Psychology 39: 20-33. 4."Children with lesbian parents: A
community study." 2003 Millbank J. Australian Journal of Social Issues 38:
541-600.5."From here to maternity: A review of the research on lesbian and
gay families." 2002 Vanfraussen K. Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology
20: 237-252.6. American Psychiatric Association resource document on
controversies in child custody: Gay and lesbian parenting, transracial
adoptions, joint versus sole custody, and custody gender issues." 1998 McNeill
K. Psychological Reports 82:59-62. 7." Families and parenting: A
comparison of lesbian and heterosexual mothers" 1998 Parks C. American Journal
of Orthopsychiatry 68(3): 376-389. cont...
more studies refuting paul:8."Lesbian parenthood: A review of the
literature" 1997 Brewaeys A. Human Reproduction 12:1349-59 1997 Brewaeys A. J of
Psychosomatic Obs and Gyn 18:1-16 1997 Patterson C. Advances in Clinical Child
Psychology 19:235-282.9. "Children of lesbian and gay parents" 1997 Tasker
F. Journal of Divorce and Remarriage 1997 28 (1-2) 183-202. 10."Young
People's Attitudes toward Living in a Lesbian Family: A Longitudinal Study of
Children Raised by Post-Divorce Lesbian Mothers" 1996 Allen M. J of
Homosexuality 32(2):19-35. 11."Comparing the impact of homosexual and
heterosexual parents on children: Meta-analysis of existing research" 1996
Golombok S. Developmental Psychology 32 (1) p3-11.12."Do Parents Influence
the Sexual Orientation of Their Children? Findings from a Longitudinal Study of
Lesbian Families." 1996 Patterson C. Journal of Social Issues 52(3): 29-50. 13."Lesbian and gay families with children: Implications of social science
research for policy" 1995 Bailey J. Developmental Psychology 31(1): 124-129. 14."Sexual orientation of adult sons of gay fathers." 1995 Flaks D.
Developmental Psychology 31(1): 105-114. cont...
yet more studies refuting paul:15."Lesbians choosing motherhood: A
comparative study of lesbian and heterosexual parents and their children." 1995
Fowler G. Family and Conciliation Courts Review 33(3): 361-376.16."Homosexual parents: Implications for custody cases" 1995 Tasker F. Am J of
Orthopsychiatry 65:203-15.17. "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian
Families" 1995 van-Nijnatten C. Medicine and Law 14(5-6): 359-368. 18."Sexual orientation of parents and Dutch family law." 1995 Victor S. School
Psychology Review 24(3): 456-47919."Lesbian mothers and the children: A
review for school psychologists." 1994 McIntyre D. Mediation Quarterly 12(2),
winter, 135-149. 20."Gay Parents and Child Custody: A Struggle under the
Legal System" 1993 Patterson C. , Annual Progress in Child Psychiatry and Child
Development 33-62 21."Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents" 1992 Baggett C.
Law and Psychology Review 16: 189-200. 22."Sexual orientation: Should it
affect child custody rulings." 1987 Kirkpatrick M. J of Homosexuality 14:201-11.
and yet more studies refuting paul:23."Clinical Implications of Lesbian
Mother Studies" 1986 Green R. Archives of Sexual Behavior 15:167-184. 24."Lesbian Mothers and Their Children: A Comparison with Solo Parent
Heterosexual Mothers and Their Children" 1986 Kleber D. Bulletin of the Am Acad
of Psychiatry and Law 14(1):81-87. 25."The impact of parental
homosexuality in child custody cases: A review of the literature" 1983 Golombok
S. J of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 24:551-572. 26."Children in
lesbian and single-parent households: Psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal"
1982 Green R. Bulletin of the Am Acad of Psychiatry and Law 10:7-15.well if the DN acyually bothers posting all of these you will have gotten the
point by now, paul is full of hot air.
DMH | 5:39 p.m. Feb. 20, 2009 says "that the gay and lesbian movement is
dangerous, then you obviously have not read their mission statement that was
printed in the newspaper a few days ago. It says point blank that they are out
to destroy the moral fiber of our American society and any religion that stands
in their way will also be utterly destroyed". I would like to know which issue
of the newspaper this was printed in and which newspaper as I would like to read
this for myself.
Buttars is right. He'll reap his reward in heaven. It's too bad you can no
longer speak truth in America without suffering for it. That's another way those
who've chosen homosexuality promote evil.
@ DAVE, who said:"Homosexuals have been the most intolerant bigoted
group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that they
have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing
them."HUNDREDS, Dave? SURELY *that* would have made the national
news.Did you read about the CONSERVATIVE who killed people in a
Unitarian Church in Kentucky (in the middle of a children's performance, no
less) because he "hated gays?"Or the number of Metropolitan
Community Churches (pro-gay) that have been BURNED TO THE GROUND?Or
the number of gay people who have been BEATEN AND MURDERED by "good
Christians?"Cheap stained glass windows just don't stack up against
As one of Buttars' constituents, I agree with his defense of traditional
American family/marriage values. I appreciate his decision to stand by his
views. BUT, I also think as a public servant he could have expressed himself in
a more politically correct way. Live and learn...if only he would.
@ ANONYMOUS, who said:"I think Buttars is a true leader and our
economy will not get better because of all the corruption and evil that does
exist in the hearts of so many men and women in this United States. Good bye
prosperity, good bye peace, good bye love, good bye freedom in America and hello
hell! Unless this people and these Sodomists repent!"Substitute
"Jews" for "sodomists" and you will have a Hitlerian rant in the midst of prewar
Germany's runaway inflation and collapsing economy.In other words,
unless the "righteous" are allowed a "final solution" ... imprisoning / driving
out / stoning / killing the scapegoat (Jews, gypsies, gay people, blacks, the
handicapped, the mentally challenged, etc.) the United States is doomed.Sorry, but that is the very DEFINITION of nazism / fascism.
1. Waddoups should not have bowed to pressure from the gay community to punish
Buttars. Buttars is ENTITLED to free speech and should not have been censored.
2. Waddoups is a coward. He should have firmly endorsed Buttars'
right to free speech as written in that sacred document, the Constitution.
Buttars wasn't even on the Senate floor when he stated his opinions. What a slap
in the face to our founding fathers. 3. The gays are spoiled
crybabies and throw tantrums every time they don't get their way. Face it, you
are forcing your deviant lifestyle upon us and our children, and forcing us to
accept you as normal. You are NOT normal. This is a moral issue, NOT a civil
issue. Your lifestyle attacks our American way of life, & dare I say it, the
Bible, too. Remember, the Bible is an historically proven document, and here you
are chucking 6 thousand years of the earth's history out the window like it
never happened.4. How quickly you forget--we let you protest in SLC
last fall. The signs you carried were OFFENSIVE. At least allow Buttars and the
rest of us that same courtesy.
I am dismayed by the outcry towards comments made by Rep. Buttars. "He should
resign!" "He should be kicked out!" Do people forget that that he is an elected
official? Paraphrasing a comment widely attributed to Voltaire, "I may not
agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it," I think the
extremists in this community should back off. Although I don't agree with his
assessment and condemnation of the homosexual community, I strongly defend his
right to say it. And, as an elected representative, he is accountable for what
he says to the people he represents! If you have a problem with that then I
suggest you organize yourselves, run someone against him or sway the people in
his district to not send him back. That is the remedy. Certainly not
castigating him for his remarks or demanding his ouster. The "grandstanding" by
the homosexual community is pathetic.
Buttars is a religoius man that is hateful of homosexuals. How is his attitude
Christ like? His words represent his family and his church. Shame on him and
everyone who supports him.
"He'll reap his reward in heaven," would that be a thousand vergins?
Finally someone, with courage to stand up for what is right. I live in South
Carolina. I will be happy to contibute to his re-election campaign. You cannot
give an inch to the gay agenda. Robinson
"we let you protest" really? gee thanks for letting us do something we are
allowed to do. "The gays are spoiled crybabies and throw tantrums every
time they don't get their way" kind of like you are doing with the post?"Your lifestyle attacks our American way of life" really wheres your proof?
(note above post by "More propaganda from Paul" for research refuting this
claim)the Bible is an historically proven document really? Prove it.You are going to have to do better then this if you want to be taken
seriously, repeating the same lies over and over is not going to get it done.
I may not agree with what you say but I will depend your right to say it. Our
country is being taken over by too much political correctness and sensitivity
training. We need to step back and see what we have become. Everybody is
offended by everything. Let's start calling right, right and wrong, wrong.
What a double standard exists. If you don't stand for anything, than what do
you stand for?
Wow, what alot of comments for the Gay agenda. Too bad all this argueing isn't
on the Fox news channel.Just because Buttars made these comments, why is
it the fault of the LDS Church and LDS people. Did the LDS Church comment on Sen
Buttars.There are alot of people out there defending Homosexuality.
What ever it takes they need to understand they are out of normallcy with
society - period. Until they and the rest of liberals come to grips with that
they will be the plague of society. But just like the mayor of SF said, "there
here wether you like it or not." Well most Americans don't like it.We need more people like Sen Buttars who will tell it like it is and get over
It's a sad day when the politically correctness mafia censures someone with the
guts to speak up for his belief that consenting adults engaging in adultery,
homosexuality, and incest are unequivocally wrong.
Buttars is insensitive, arrogant, off base and obnoxious. Who does he think he
is, Rocky Anderson?
In the long run gays will be the losers in this. Punishing people for expressing
their opinions in a legal manner will hurt special interest groups much more
than it will hurt Buttars in this instance. The world is getting fed up with
gays' forcing their agenda on society.
1. You betcha I LET you protest; my taxes paid for City Hall who issued your
demonstration permits, AND hardworking policemen who protected your right to
demonstrate. 2. As soon as Buttars' comments were released by a gay
(what a surprise) documentarian wanting publicity so his film can make money,
the gays "hurt" and demanded retribution. Politicans frequently spout opinons to
each other but respect the right to free speech without retribution. Further,
Mr. Crybaby 2:40 p.m., the people of CA voted to pass Prop 8 TWICE, and what are
the gays doing now? SUING to reverse WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED FOR. If that
isn't trampling our free speech rights into the ground, I don't know what is.
YOU GAY CRYBABIES ARE DEMANDING RIGHTS BUT WILL NOT ALOW US TO HAVE
ANY!! 3. Paul's meager list of propaganda will never withstand the
weight of decades of studies which prove that marriage between a man and a
women, who bear children, is the best model for a healthy society. Sorry.4. Don't mock the Bible and supporting evidence until you have read it,
but I doubt you will.I'm done with you phonies.
Partners in a card game. They hold a pair of "twos" (lowest in the deck) and yet
grimace and bluff as if they are ahead in the game and challenge others to ramp
up the bid. What universe and sphere do Buttars and Waddoups daily live in? I'm
a straight male and yet I find their off the wall offerings as non-responsive
and out of touch with the realities of current day society. The Governor's
spokesman offered a "mild" response, but otherwise the Governor himself and no
solid voice in the Senate has stepped forward and called Buttars or Waddoups
hand. Both in this recent debate are irresponsible and a grand embarrassment;
nationally legions are already mocking the lack of civility, care and charity by
this pair. Buttars should fold and walk away from the Senate and Waddoups should
publicly distance himself from the style and themes of the former. If not,
somebody in prominence needs to step forward and call them "out."
Our system of government allows us to remove him during elections. He is
speaking for the people of West Jordan. If you dont like him dont vote for him.
I for one like to hear free speech. Use your vote either way you feel about him.
1. just so you know gays pay taxes too so we paid for our own protest but thanks
anyway.2. so because Buttars is a politician no one should question
or criticize his comments and thats free speech how?As to the second part
as has been stated many times on these threads we do not live in a simple
majority rule where just because the majority decides something it is
constitutional. Therefore they are challenging the constitutionality of the law
and are exercising there free speech rights. Should they just stop exercising
their free speech because you have spoken?3. I would like to see
that list you claim to have since no one else has ever been able to provide it.
4. I did not "mock" the bible I asked you to prove that it is
historical fact, but I guess I got my answer didn't I?I have to say
for someone going around calling other cry babies you seem a little thin skinned
yourself. oh and by the way TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE YOUT
POINT ANY MORE VALID.
Freedom of speech is a given here. But when your words are so carelessly
filtered that you embarrass and hurt, an apology is warranted. You are arrogant
if you think you have no apologies to make, and as I understand
politics...humility goes a lot further with your constituency. Some of whom you
truly have offended, whether they voted for you or not, you represent them. Do
your job, sir.
Chris Buttars is Utah's version of Jesse Helms. West Jordon should be ashamed
of re-electing this bigot, but instead, they praise him as their moral savior.
Thank god he was removed as judicial chair.
While you may disagree with senator Buttars he should be able to express his
views without being ostrasized. Would all politicians really express their
reavies... if they had the coursge to do it many of our current representatives
would be unemployed.
I am starting to think Cobalt blue is the color of the happy pill that the guys
in the white coats brings to your padded room.
The greatest thing about this country is the freedom of speech. Its a sad day
when every small minority group gets its feathers ruffled by hearing someone not
agree with them and wanting to punish them for their right to speek freely. That
makes these groups the ones who are taking rights away from others. Frankly,
both sides have the right to say what they want!!
Butters has every right to speak his mind.If you don't agree, you have the
right to say so.If his views represent his constituants who re-elected
him, we ought to pause and consider the possibility that he has a valid point.
I for one believe that he does.
your right schmitt conservatives need to just chill out anf et people speak.
he has every right to speak his mind and I have every right to challenge it
witout people claiming I am some how repressing them, too many people in Utah
make the mistake of thinking it is not alright to challenge others thinking.
To those defending Buttars, saying he may have a valid point and such, I ask:Do you really believe that radical homosexuals are the greatest threat
to America? I could understand people believing that moral decline
is America's greatest threat. But I don't think moral decline is limited to
homosexuality. When America engages in torture, it demonstrates
moral decline.When Americans commit adultery or fornication, it
demonstrates moral decline. And since there are a lot more straights than gays,
adultery and fornication are more common.When business people like
Madoff and Southwick swindle the unsuspecting, it is evidence of moral
decline.When pornography rates increase, it is evidence of moral
decline.When Chris Buttars treats a group of people as though they
are sub-human, it is evidence of moral decline.Maybe we all need to
look in the mirror in an effort to improve our country.
Does everyone think this will end here? With Buttars?Ha! Uptight white men
who profess to be "Christian"begs me to wonder if their God would REALLY
think the way he does.
Here is a prophecy for you: Buttars will never get re-elected. He is an
embarrassment and he will be lucky to finish his term.
"Most of what Senator Buttars said, I agree with," Sen. Howard Stephenson,
R-Draper, said in a weekly Red Meat Radio program he hosts on K-TALK. "We as a
Senate caucus had an agreement that because Sen. Buttars had become such a
lightning rod on this issue, he would not be the spokesman on this issue and
basically he violated that agreement."
wow what a shock buttars not being honest and breaking his word. (Sarcasim
intended) thanks for the reference but you better brace yourself for the
I'm not worried. I just want the truth to come out. There appears to be more
to this story than what has hit the press so far. Keep tuned folks.
Yes Buttars can express himself and has the right to freedom of speech but it
scares the jeepers out of me when I hear his personal beliefs and then see that
he is in a position to push them in the arena of Utah poltics. I am from West
Jordan and no I don't like his arrogance and demeaning attitude of anyone who
doesn't believe as he does. I am a member of the mainstream religion but
desire to have my name removed as I don't want to be associated with a person
that represents many with the same ugliness. No I did not vote for him or
Waddoups - I do believe they are both very insecure men in their maleness
So why is it that so many in Utah seem so hung up on the gay marriage thing?You appose it because homosexuality is a sin right? Well then should you not
work just as hard to insure that smokers, drinkers, people that consume caffeine
and especially those that worship another god or proclaim no belief in god
(gasp) after hearing the message from marrying? Are they not also sinners? Do
you not think they may raise little smokers, drinkers caffeine consumers and
dare I say no believers?
oops that is suppose to read oppose not appose, sorry, but it is kind of funny.
I am a conservative, republican women, who until very recently lived on the west
side of the Salt Lake valley. I find Chris Buttars vile and a bigot and wonder
why on earth the West side folks still vote for him, election after election.
His gay diatribes are outlandish and embarssing. His pity for the disabled is
disgusting. They don't want his pity, but his understanding. However he thinks
that children born with disabilities are a "tragedy". The real tragedy is that
right wing, conservative republican people on the west side, are so deluded and
ignorant of what is acceptable and what is not that they still vote for this
That's an interesting photo showing Sen. Chris Buttars surrounded by members of
the press before the Senate meeting at the Capitol on Friday.Why
wasn't Gail Ruzicka sitting next to Buttars during this photo session? It's
rare to see the Eagle Forum ventriloquist and her political puppet separated on
Good for Buttars for speaking his mind!!! You don't have to agree, this country
has free speech, remember?I agree with him, the gay community is
evil and very vocal against those who don't like their lifestyle. I don't like
what they represent and the way they try to push their views on the majority.We need more politicians like Buttars who are not afraid to call a spade
a spade, or a gay lifestyle wrong and unacceptable. It is wrong and
unacceptable, that's my view and I'm entitled to it. Welcome to America - like
it or not - land of the free, because of the brave.
"free thinker | 9:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 - Only in the regressive mind set of
Utah do you have a politician who is this bigotted and idiodic. Shameful and
even more so he was electec by the minions here 3 times."Hey "free
thinker", why don't you just come right out and say it?....you hate Mormons and
everything associated with them. Do you even begin to see the irony
that the very hatred that you accuse us of having, you splashed all over YOUR
very own post?Amazing, simply amazing....
"Anonymous | 9:42 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 - UTAH Greatest Hate on Earth"Ah, here we go. Another fine example of the courage of Mr. Anonymous.Please, Sir/Ma'am, why don't you proudly stand behind your hatred?
Afraid of being known by your friends and neighbors?Having done
nothing wrong, I am not. To whoever really wrote this comment above, you are a
memo to Chris Buttars: your church doesn't want you talking about anything
related to your religion. Why? You clearly are a distortion machine, an
exaggeration factory, a fear monger, and a grumpy / angry old man who is so out
of touch with reality (and fact, science, logic, reason, civility, communication
skills, IQ) that your church wants you to shut up and go away. the LDS church's
press release was short and sweet. (1) you have not handled this delicate issue
appropriately, you lack civility and respect, and this is an important issue
that needs careful consideration. (2) you do not speak for the LDS church.
That is how I feel, too. As a conservative, card-carrying Republican, and
weekly church attender, I am truly disgusted by Buttars and, more significantly,
very angry at Waddoups & Co. for putting Buttars on a pillar and for empowering
his twisted mind to run amok via public policy and public forums. We
Republicans have a lot of work to do. The anger in this community, and the
embarrassments we are taking on with the likes of these folks, is going to be a
deep problem very soon.
Most of the comments on this blog are persons validating thier own religous
beliefs. They seem to not understand that church and state must be separate.
Chris Buttars is a Utah State Senator. As a public servant of ALL people of
Utah, he must keep his hate filled diatribes confined to the bully pulpit in his
bully church. Mike Waddoups is complicit in this merging of church
and state by not asking for Buttar's resignation. Buttars should be
banished from State government and take his "free hate speech" back to his
church where it belongs.Buttars and Waddoups are both another
national embarrsement to the State of Utah.
where are our elder statesmen? there is so little public trust in our
"leaders." Please, DesNews, KSL, Dan Jones, conduct a comprehensive poll and
show us what we already know--we expect more of our so-called leaders. We
expect them to speak as leaders, with respect for others, recognizing the
dignity of humans, speaking with civility, be less self-promotional and more
with humility and a desire for understanding. Leaders must rise above and
inspire the public's trust. The Republican Senate leaders are not leading.
They are sliming up the place.
M M,"Freedom of speech is a given here. But when your words are so
carelessly filtered that you embarrass and hurt, an apology is warranted."His words were carefully chosen and nothing he said was offensive except
to those he condemns. He didn't say that all gays were like Muslim terrorists
but instead compared radical gays who want to force same sex marriage on the
majority to radical terrorists and had this to say "It's just like the Muslims.
Muslims are good people and their religion is anti-war. But its been taken over
by the radical side." He wasn't say all Muslims were bad or all gays were a
threat to America instead he said that "radicals" were a threat to America."You are arrogant if you think you have no apologies to make, and as I
understand politics...humility goes a lot further with your constituency."No, you are arrogant if you think your comment isn't offensive to
Buttars, his family and to those of us who agree with him. Nothing he said was
out of line and this reaction is proof of what he said. You are terrorists.
I have a cousin who is gay and he is a great person, but it doesn't change the
fact that I think homosexuality is unnatural and very gross. Of course I am
going to vote against it if given the chance. Doesn't mean I am a hater, but I
don't agree with it. Things I don't agree with, get voted against. This man in
office isn't the only one that doesn't agree with it, so I wonder if there are
other issues. I don't know, but I find it interesting that this story got so
many comments. Any church / anti church related thing gets lit up like crazy
because people are so desperately trying to find something negative about the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I honestly think the negative is
going to work in a positive way for the church because more people are going to
hear about it. So continue being negative, picketing, etc, because it will be a
good thing for us in the end.
moablondon,"Constitutionally gays also deserve protection in ALL
rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that may be. Yet,
at this current time we really dont have ALL those rights and protections."Gays have the same rights as everyone else. This is why people are
upset. The idea that the definition of marriage needs to be changed to include
their sexual orientation or it is discrimination and a violation of equal
protection is ignorant. They are no more discriminated against than 20 and 25
year olds are discriminated against because they are denied the opportunity to
be a U.S. Senator. Like the 20 and 25 year old who can become a U.S Senator at
30 like everyone else. Gays can marry a person of the opposite sex like everyone
else or they can choose not to but the law doesn't give heterosexuals
preferential treatment."I ask those who use this word to evaluate
their own rights, freedoms and protections and see how they might apply to the
ALL of humanity, including those who are gay."Done. I can't marry a
person of the same sex so neither can you. No discrimination.
My uncle is gay. The family all know, but don't speak much of it. Uncle Wink is
generous, kind and a very good hearted individual. Last Halloween someone put a
big sign on his front lawn saying " a gay lives here." You cannot believe the
graffiti that was left on his car, mail box and even his driveway was written on
with chalk. The point being, gays already have a hard enough time without some
one like Buttars castigating them them in public.
I know the Fairness Doctrine was overturned by the FCC in 1987, but I think it
was a great set of rules. It basically required that the media present both
sides of a controversial issue of public importance and to do so in a manner
that was honest, equitable and balanced. This ruling allowed the civil rights
movements to go forward, by requiring equal time to their ideas. Both sides
should be considered in an equitable and balanced media, but this is no longer
the case. I do not agree with what was said, and how it was said, but he should
be able to express his opinion, and his supporters should be able to have an
equal time in press to present their reasoning for their views on homosexuality.
I am a liberal, but I too see a liberal slant in the news reporting media. Let
both sides be represented equally and fairly or if/when the media becomes more
conservative, you do not get the same respect.
Mel T.,"The point being, gays already have a hard enough time
without some one like Buttars castigating them them in public."How
many times must you be told that Buttars wasn't castigating homosexuals. He was
castigating radical homosexuals who want to force their lifestyle on the
American people by forcing the majority to recognize and grant legitimacy to
their sexual orientation. He has every right to point out that these radicals
are similar to terrorists because they are. They will use whatever tactics they
feel necessary to cause people to be afraid to vote, hold public office or speak
their mind if they dare to stand up to them.Your post is just
another example. You refer to Buttars as "somone like Buttars." You mean like
the husband that his wife loves, the father that his children look up to, and
the grandfather that his grandchildren adore or do you mean someone who must be
taught as lesson he will never forget and made to look the fool for daring to
disagree with you and your uncle. Your hateful comments are over the top and I
demand that you apologize to my family which you offended.
Abraham Lincoln was engaged in a debate regarding the practice of slavery. This
quote was how he answered the slave owner."How many legs does a dog
have if you call the tail a leg?" The slave owner answered with five.
President Lincoln replied, "Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a
leg."I would say the same thing to the homosexual community. Saying
that there is nothing wrong with the homosexual lifestyle, and that you should
have the right to desecrate the institution of marriage, doesn't make it
right.All your screaming, crying and clamoring for "equal rights"
doesn't make it right. A tail is still a tail.
They're all for "free speech" as long as it's politically correct and meets with
their vision of the future. Buttars' comments are no where near the level of
offensiveness that merit the action taken against him. Shame on the gutless
republican leadership for cowing and bending to the God of Political
Correctness!! Shame, shame shame! I don't know that I'd put Buttars out front
to be a spokesman, but he is entitled to his beliefs and views, especially on
moral issues!!!! I'm ashamed of Utah Republican House Leadership even more than
I'm disgusted with liberal gay activists.
had enough "free speech"! Free speech isn't intended for them...it is intended
for thinking individuals after carful consideration. "Free speech" is also
different from the Separation of Church and State. Have all the free speech you
want in the appropriate places, but where the speech infringes on a person's
basic rights as a citizen (such as in racial hate speech) it will not be
tolerated. You talk of liberals crossing the line when, in fact, it is hate
mongers who cross the line in this situation. I'm not saying that liberals
never cross that line, but in these situations of civil rights you are.
As to whether you comapre a "tail" and a "Leg" to gay people. And by the way,
they are not trying to "desecrate" marriage! In fact they are trying to support
And the GOP continues to implode from within. Time to let the far right form
their own party--they've destroyed the once-proud Republican brand.
"It happened not because he said a lot of things wrong, although I don't agree
with some of the things he said, but because he decided to be the spokesman
again when we had decided, as a caucus, and he had agreed, that he was such a
lightning rod, that it wasn't productive for him to be the spokesman on this
issue," Stephenson said. "We support the First Amendment for
everyone, but part of that is taking accountability for what is said. What
Buttars said disrupted the civil process, but he has the right to say what he
wants," said Will Carlson, Equality Utah's manager of public policy.So the conservatives are squelching Buttars free speech and trying to blame it
on the gay community, what a shocker. I agree with Equality Utah he has the
right to say what he wants and frankly I love it when he talks he just hurts his
own cause. You cant blame the gay community form capitalizing on his
stupidly.PLEASE KEEP TALKING BUTTARS
Just because he blames some problems on a certain group of people for their
choices, this constitutes as hate?! It is impossible for homosexual couples to
reproduce their own children. That is harmful to society. Is that statement
hate too? Good for Buttars for standing up for his values and for
families. I'll vote for him again.-Mike in Sandy
The law does not require that we love everyone. The law allows us to hate
others. As a general rule, I hate Mormons. A few I have met that I like. On the
whole, I have few feelings one way or another about gays. Some I like, some I
don't. I also tend to dislike pseudo-intellectuals (which IMHO includes
Mormons).But the LAW requires that we give everyone equal
protection. The LAW requires that we do not discriminate against people on the
basis of characteristics that are irrelevant to the task at hand.The
task at hand is marriage. Say what you want, but people marry for countless
reasons, and the LAW allows that. Some people marry as part of their religious
breeding program whereby they are trying to repopulate the earth with bodies for
the countless spirit children of god. But that is not the ONLY reason to marry
under the law.Hate whom you will or love whom you will. Nobody
cares. This is not about hate. It is about the law. Don't EVER use the law to
discriminate against others based on irrelevant characteristics. If you do, you
make yourself UNAMERICAN!
..And again we see the Utah senate for their true colors. Cowards.Buttars is an Embarrassment to all Humans. But if you agree with him, it
stands that you would stand in the same circle that burned Crosses in the South
for many years. I see know difference between them, and Buttars.So
belly up to your Diet Cokes, and ponder what uneducated bigotry gets you.
To Opus.Again an idiot equating gay with being black.
To Joe | 10:12 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009 Wow! --- I can't believe you have
no understanding of what freedom of speech actually means ---Freedom
of speech does not grant carte blanche to anyone --- to speak his/her mind.True, while people may have their biases and prejudices --- there are
laws protecting others from any one person's "freedom of speech."Any
one person's freedom, to be short, ends where the other person's freedom
begins.We cannot be so limited in our scope as to believe we can
speak our minds freely without repercusions ---If you believe the
contrary --- there are certain limits to the freedom of speech ---a few come to
mind* libel* slander* defamation of character*
harrassment* depravation of other people's civil rightsTo be
quite blunt, when it comes to freedom of speech --- does it surprise people like
you --- that courts should step in to stop uninformed citizens such as you from
making uninformed decisions such as yours at the voting booth?
To Anonymous | 11:52 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009 It's so amazing to
think people actually think that the picketing will actually be a good thing at
the end.Really?This issue keeps being turned around and
around --- everytime --- we see a new side ---- whether you agree or disagree
---* From the Hollywood media taking sides* To California
legislature and courts soon to take the issue now with Prop 8* To Utah
taking up issue with gay rights now* To Buttar* To disclosures
about spending* To boycotts* And on, and on, and onI
think, if I may --- the highlight of Pres. Hinckley's Presidency was to bring
the Church into a positive light in the media.It now seems that some
stubborn members are willing to go all out and take this issue to the breaking
point.At that, for a positive light at the end.4 out 5
Americans have a negative view on the Church.And this will make it
To Anonymous | 11:52 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009You wrote:"I
think homosexuality is unnatural and very gross."I think that
comment, in and of itself does not have a valid legal argument.I
think a number of things can be "unnatural and very gross."I think
you are voting on the moral principle.Where is the legal
principle?Many things which are legal are not moral and vice
versa.Smoking is unnatural and very gross, as far as I'm concerned
--- yet it is legal. I think what other people find "unnatural"
should be left to whoever is doing it --- if it does not affect them.
Hate | 11:51 a.m. Feb. 23, 2009How are gays a threat to "traditional
heterosexual" families exactly?Gays have been around ---- well, for
a long time ---And the human species has not stopped.
To Me | 2:13 a.m. Feb. 22, 2009I believe you are going the way of
defining marriage "as the sole union of one man and one woman."I
will your argument ---President Lincoln said the line you quoted as
calling "a tail a leg" --- Great --- we'll go with that argument and
with that premise.1861-1865 --- I take it Pres. Lincoln said the
quote somewhere in between those years.in 1861-1865 what did the
country define as "marriage?"What was the LDS Church doing with
polygamous marriages?By definition --- if you want to call marriage
"one man and one woman" the 1861 definition did not fit the parameters of that
definition.Seems to me like the definition was broadened to include
"one man, many women"Was the LDS definition of marriage a tail or a
leg in 1861?At that, I would venture to say that polygamous
marriage, by those standards, was not necessarily "un-traditional," but only an
extension of the word "marriage."Suddenly, it seems that Webster's
is not good enough to define marriage.
To Lucky he isn't my father jekk | 1:35 a.m. Feb. 22, 2009 You
wrote:"He was castigating radical homosexuals who want to force
their lifestyle on the American people by forcing the majority to recognize and
grant legitimacy to their sexual orientation. He has every right to point out
that these radicals are similar to terrorists because they are. They will use
whatever tactics they feel necessary to cause people to be afraid to vote, hold
public office or speak their mind if they dare to stand up to them."I would hardly call gays' ability to marry marry or otherwise have the same
rights that heterosexuals have a reason to say that they are forcing their
lifestyle on the American people.Do gays suddenly want everyone to
be gay?Is this the phobia that people have?Gays want to
be themselves. We want to be us.I no more want to force my
"lifestyle" as some would call it anymore on straight people than I wish a lot
of straight people want to force their "straight lifestyle" on me.In
fact, I believe it is quite the opposite.
I like your analogys! I certainly enjoy you more on this website than many other
people. Keep it coming (on this post and others). You are good!
I Support Buttars Yes I DO!
To Mcleod ...Great show !the equation is a Bigot is a
Bigot is a Bigot.As a Mormmon, married 3 chirldren, I have never
seen the differnce between a Gay bigot, or a Racist Bigot. they are cut from
the same cloth.But OF COURSE You and Buttars are more powerful than
Jesus himself, you can draw the line in the sand, and throw the Fist Stone. Good
Vince,You know that gays are out in left field and will not admit it. In
the natural order of things, are there any animals that have sex with there own
gender? Man is supposed to be of a higher life form than animals. Did you
originate from a homosexual union. Just think about it Vince, Kev and you other
old boys who insist on justifying a behavior that is not natural or justifiable.
Please Vince, stay out in front so I can keep an eye on you.
I think everyone here is forgetting about the REAL victims here..... how do
you think the islamic groups feel about being compared to homosexuals? I think
we should ask them...... I bet they'd be outraged!So terribly
The only victim in all of this nonsense is the freedom of speech.
Obviously you can't think about anything but procreation in relationships. But
there are many more reasons that people want to be together. When our world's
population was much smaller than today people obviously had to be concerned
about this issue. Many people died early and so marriage was probably much more
about this. We also did not have the capabilities we have now in science and in
knowing about the different aspects of our world. But if you research you will
find that a small percentage of humans have always been homosexual. The world
still survived and it still will. Gay people are not trying to say that
everyone should or will become like them. You and others act as if we can't
have diversity on our planet and that we must all be the same or something is
wrong. But you couldn't be more wrong!
You have a point. I'm just not sure what it is. You and others on this board
insist on calling gays a lower life form or worse. The God I pray to loves me as
He loves you. What happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself?" I have no problem
with people who are not gay, but they seem to have a huge problem with me from
what I read on this board. I promise I will not effect or hurt you or your
lifestyle in any way. Can you give me the same respect. I think the biggest
problem for people who bash gays, is that they want everyone to be like them.
You talk about life forms and species. Are you God's right hand helper? Do you
have the right to judge and with harsh judgement no less. Peace Al M. I wish
only the best for you. Also, I sure Van Goth loves you.
You make no sense.You say you have never met someone who doesn't think
that homosexuality is not the same as being another race?Well, now you
Vince,You are quite a capable and logical fellow. I congratulate you for
the most part. I agree that people want to be together for many more reasons
than sex, especially older people. But, I still have a few questions.1-Is
being gay the norm in our society?2-Is your form of marriage the kind that
God intended, if you believe in God. If you don't, please strike that.3-What does the gay lifestyle contribute to the human race?4-Do you
think being gay puts your health in question, when you need not?
The Constitution of the United States of America and the 1st amendment in it,
are only to be used by Politically Correct people in the year 2009 (such as
supporting Gays to do everything and anything). The rest of Americans, like
myself and Buttars, will not be allowed to have free speech in this country. I
think that just about sums up the state of decay we are in right now.
Whether or not you agree with Butters opinions should not be the issue. The fact
is that he is that he is a poor spokesman for those opinions. His propensity for
making rash statements makes him a liability, period, therefore Republicans need
to dump him, period.
This is the latest skirmish in the broader cultural wars going on since the
free-loving 60's...and the flower children are now grandparents, and we're all
reaping the whirlwind of their free-wheeling, free-loving and immoral drug-laden
lifestyles by having raised their kids (or rather, failed to raise)..steeped in
an anything goes attitude. A whole lot of us stand with Senator Buttars.
Unfraid of political correctness and willing to speak his mind. Lives lived
without God, without morals, without an anchor, are destined to be filled of
angst, revilings, and ultimately, unhappiness. You can't do wrong and feel
right. At the same time, we have compassion for people with same-gender
attractions. But we cannot condone a lifestyle that undermines society and
personal conduct which violates God's laws and dishonors the temple of their
spirits or bodies, because the body and spirit are connected in ways we only
begin to understand.