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  • Roger Carrier
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    Yes, Sen. Buttars should resign. I'm amazed that the LDS Church allows Buttars (a member in good standing) to keep flushing their expensive PR efforts down the toilet. Every time he opens his mouth, those "Family, isn't it about time?" PR ads get flushed.

  • free thinker
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    Only in the regressive mind set of Utah do you have a politician who is this bigotted and idiodic. Shameful and even more so he was electec by the minions here 3 times.

  • The true Messiah
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:35 a.m.

    "This generation is as corrupt as the generaton... that crucified Christ; and if He were here today, and shuld reach the same doctrine He did thenj, they would put Him to death."

    Buttars is no Christ but Jesus was not afraid to speak the truth and was too harsh for the people who he chstised and warned.

  • for free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    whether you agree with his comments or not, he has the right to say them. he was duly elected in his district by the people. maybe the electorate in his district agree with him? he should not resign because he stated a belief and one that the people who elected him obviously share. they are entitled to be represented even if others disagree with their views.

  • Political Correctness
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Does the Human Rights Campaign want every insensitive remark by every loose cannon "condemned" by the speaker. What is your threshold for condemnation, just remarks about homosexuality? The speaker has enough to do so let the voters in Buttars district carry that burden. We may not agree, but that's democracy.

  • Free Speech!
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Senator Buttars is entitled to his opinions, and he has the right to express them.

    Or, is that something that can only be done if you are gay, lesbian, or whatever?

    If anything, the hate speech is coming from those who are out to demonize Buttars.

  • Holy Cow!
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    Resign? Strip him of one of his committe chairs? This is what happens when we use our freedom of speech? Fantastic! Here we go socialism. What a joke. All of the other leaders need to take his example and instead of pandering to people speak what they feel. Agree or disagree with his comments, these knee-jerk reactions scoff at our right to freedom of speech.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    UTAH Greatest Hate on Earth

  • To Waddoups
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:45 a.m.

    You are a weak and powerless individual. You had the opportunity to rid us of this bigoted menace, and you did not.

    Free speech is one thingcontinued tirades against groups not of your own religious beliefs, and offensive to almost all who hear it, is another.

    The Utah Senate is an embarrassment to ALL Americans, and YOU Sir, are the leader.

    What a sorry state of affairs you have condoned and perpetuated.
    Mike in Sandy

  • dj
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:46 a.m.

    Sen. Buttars needs to take a class on how to be tactful. His comments were not appropriate and he should be forced to account for them. It is ok to disagree and should be, free speach is a God given right, but respect for the individuals involved should always be maintained.

    That said, the Gay Rights folks need to really re-evaluate where they stand. Historicaly it has been rather bad for a culture once homosexuality becomes an openly accepted norm and the culture has had to change to accept it. Look at ancient Greece and Rome both if you want examples. I have no problem with people being gay, they have a right to their privacy and should not be discriminated against in at work or in general.

    Marriage in its traditional sense is a contract between people of different genders and always has been. If Gay people want to enter into a civil union and call it marriage then go for it but to toss 4000 years of proper social tradition down the toilet to appease a vocal minority is just outright wrong.

    Marriage needs to be protected but not by folks like Sen. Buttars.

  • Not Enough!
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:53 a.m.

    Waddoups was inept during the news conference. Removing Buttars from the judiciary committee was a beginning - but not enough!

    Too little, too late!

  • Carolyn Snell
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    Regarding Cris Buttars, what ever happened to:"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

  • Please...
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Buttars just needs to go away. No man with this much hatred for his fellow man should serve in the legislature.

  • Mahonri
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Free Speech is just fine as long as these guys say only what leadership deems OK. Let the guy speak. How else will you learn how stupid he is? Punishing him for his views is a gestapo/communist tactic.

  • Glad He Didn't Resign
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Buttars is the Utah LDS Gift that keeps on giving.

  • Mike P
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    To Sen Pres Waddoups,
    You are a weak and powerless individual. You had the opportunity to rid us of this bigoted menace, and you did not.

    Free speech is one thingcontinued tirades against groups not of your own religious beliefs, and offensive to almost all who hear it, is another.

    The Utah Senate is an embarrassment to ALL Americans, and YOU Sir, are the leader.

    What a sorry state of affairs you have condoned and perpetuated.

  • Hatuletoh
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    Mr. Buttars is a clearly someone who likes to get attention through use of hyperbole, and he is surely no gentleman, but why should he be expected to resign? Doesn't he have the right to express his opinion, even if the opinion is almost laughably myopic? The man was elected by a majority of his constituents, and ultimately, if he reflects their views are they not entitled to his continued representation?

    And since I also enjoy the same liberty to speak my mind as Mr. Buttars, I'd like to say that if you're a person who believes that homosexuality is as dangerous to your family and home as suicide bombers and airplane hijackers, please stay down there in West Jordan.

  • Well...
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    slap on the wrist is better than nothing, I suppose. But I still think the slime ball should resign his seat then he can exercise his "free speech" all he wants!!

  • K
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    What a shame that the energy this sad, pathetic man puts into hatred can't be put to some good use.

  • go away gays
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    In order for the mormons to get their freedom, they had to congregate and find their own place that they could be the majority. I suggest the same to the gays. Leave, become the majority, and have it your way. Leave the rest of us alone. Until you can have the majority, you will never win. Thank goodness.

  • Jake
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    Yes he should resign. He is in a position to represent the people of West Jordan/South Jordan and Utah. His actions are embarassing and disgraceful to all of us. Free speech is welcome and a guaranteed right in our country. however, blatent discrimination is not going to go excused.

  • Once again
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    He was stripped of the chairmanship before, and he is still doing the same things. The Senate leadership will just put him right back in as chairman after the next election. Whats the point?

  • Re: the true Messiah
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    There's not one reason that society should allow hateful comments by someone like Buttars, especially if he is a representative of the people. He needs a filter in his brain between what he thinks and what he says. Many of the older generation in this country are bigoted and hateful. Hopefully as they die off, citizens will be more understanding and kind. Society isn't going to crumble because of gay people, it's going to crumble because of hatred.

  • Wow
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    It's frustrating that when a member or even possible member of the church speaks his views are immediately construed as the views of the church in whole. The church speaks for itself. Secondly, while Buttars comments may have been harsh, why is he being called to resign when radical members of the gay community have never been called upon to apologize for terrorist threats, boycotts, and demonstrations. If you are going to extend 'free speech' to one group, then don't deny it to another.

  • Jt
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    Good! I'm glad he lost one chairmanship. How about ousting him from the Health and Human Services committee too? Buttars is making news around the nation! Resign already!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    FREE SPEECH DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE FREE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR SPEECH.

  • Kris
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    Re: To Wadoups - Mike in Sandy
    "Free speech is one thingcontinued tirades against groups not of your own religious beliefs, and offensive to almost all who hear it, is another."

    Free speech is exactly that, the right to say offensive things and do offensive things, even burn the flag of the country that gives you the right to do so.

    Shame on you - America's free speech is one of its most important rights.

  • Too Little, To Late
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    Great, Sen Buttars gets removed from the Judicial Committee long after the sensitive Common Ground bills have been rushed, rerouted, buried, defamed, and pre-judged by the Rules and Judicial committees he controls.

    Given Buttars long history of killing hate crimes protections for gays, his ugly rhetoric and distortion of gays and lesbians from the floor of the Capital, and his opposition to anything remotely gay related, his removal from one committee means absolutely nothing.

    I was stunned by Waddoups statement of support for Buttars. It was the epitome of an insincere non-apologetic apology. I doubt gays and lesbians will ever get a fair hearing in this legislative body.

  • CB
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    Typical political reaction.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    So...what would have happened if he said Jews were ruining the country? Women who work outside the home? The elderly? People who get married and don't raise children? Male nurses? Non-vegetarians? Blacks? Whites? Asians?

    Which of those breach free speech?

  • Instereo
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    To compare Butters to Christ is amazing to me. Christ spoke about love. Christ offered hope to the downtroddened. Where Christ comdemned, it was to the leaders of the society at the time. It was the city rulers and church officials who shut out the average citizens from worshipping and living as they pleased. He associated with tax collectors, harlots, and other dreggs of society and didn't condemn them. So Butters is no Christ.

    As for his free speech. There are many people in our society that don't really have free speech because of their positions. Teachers are one group but government leaders are another group. When they speak and spread hate, then need to suffer the consequences of their free speech because their speech incites people unlike a private citizen's who is just spouting their mind.

    He should lose his position of leadership and if he continues to spu hate, he should lose his senate seat.

  • WHAT??
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    If you agree with what I say.... then everything is okay and I can remain in good standing in my position.

    But.... heaven forbid I disagree with you.... then I should lose my position????

    Doesn't really make sense. WE all have our opinions, and seems like lately, only the liberals can express their opitions without any problems!!

    HUH????

  • I wonder...
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    ...How many Buttars apologists would be singing the same "Free Speech" tune if a State official called Mormonism a great threat to our country, likened unto terrorists. And I wonder if these folks are the same folks who demonized Huckabee for his comments on Mormons?

  • THEY KILLED THE PROPHETS
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:15 a.m.

    The senator isn't a prophet. But when someone speaks the truth, especially as taught by Jesus people all over, even in the church are ready to stone them. A mighty cleansing came in Noah's time. Think of Sodom and Gormorrah, our day is more wicked than they, or how about Jerusalem in Lehi's day. What makes anyone think that we are different in God's eye than they. A mighty cleansing will come again. We have the foretelling of that in the scriptures. As the prophets have always said, the world needs to repent of its wicked ways or be destroyed. What did people in Noah's, Lot's or Lehi's day say when they were told to repent and be righteous. What did they think as the destruction began? Do you think they recognized the signs before the total destruction or did they just go on their merry way listening to the talking heads of their day? The truth can cut you to the quick, and sting. That's called guilt, and the need for repentance. Will you be any different than they?

  • Earth
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    Marriage is between the Two Poeple who choose to get married.It's not the State, Chruch or the Government business. I would like to ask 1 question. How does any other person marriage affect mine? It don't. America is now a Melting Pot. We need to Love and let live. The Bible asked us to love thy neighbor. What about JUDGE NOT. Live the Christian way and let God do the Judgeing. Think about it.

  • Carl R.
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    Sen. Buttars stated his personal opinion which is his Constitutional right. He has the courage to say what the silent majority are afraid to given they have been beaten into submission by the logical fallacy of political correctness. The gay movement is less about actual homosexual sex than it is about brute force power to destroy Americans' First Amendment rights (speak one's mind and worship as one pleases) and the moral fiber of our communities. It's an irony that those who claim to be most tolerant usually stand for nothing except for the twisting of the virtues of tolerance and compassion (which incidentally have boundaries and when violated they are undermined, ineffective and the situation is as if they were never invoked). Their "high road" is built on a shakey foundation, at best. It is sad to see consistently their name calling which betrays their ignorance of history and the consequences of their own destructive behaviors which they demand society embrace.

  • for free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    He has the right to say these things, but doesn't he have to face the consequences. Geeze you people are idiots!

  • Buttars can't even...
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    claim that he's being Christ-like!! From what I was taught and what I firmly believe, God and Christ love UN-conditionally. I'm sure Christ wasn't afraid to speak his mind, but I HIGHLY doubt he went around putting people down and calling them terrorists just because they weren't "following his word". At least Christ knew that you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar!! Buttars is a hurtful, hateful person and it's sad that he's actually got people that follow and believe the way he does. The church should be ashamed to even keep his membership. He is representing them, locally and globally, with his idiotic views and the garbage that he spews... and they teach people to be Christ-like???

  • Guy
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:19 a.m.

    What a country. You now get punished and vilified for speaking the truth. Wow, what's next. The degenerate, perverted scoundrals have taken over and have now become the self-proclaimed high ground.

  • Punishers
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:19 a.m.

    The great punishers have struck again.
    Death to all who oppose the Gay agenda!!!!
    Rudy, the rump ranger

  • America?
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    I find the fact that this man is getting so lambasted for speaking his mind is ridiculous and unfair. Just becuase its against popular opinion does not mean he does not have a right to his own opinion. When did, we, as a free country come to the point where only the popular opinion was allowed to spoken and shared freely? I don't particularly agree with Buttars but we live in a country we EVERYONE gets to speak their mind.

  • Mallie Jowell
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    We live in America, Right? what about all the hateful things said by homosexuals during the prop 8 fiasco about Mormons. and it was a fiasco. they can say things, but buttars cant? what a joke. there is 2 standards i see here. one for gays and one for those of us that are not. i lost all respect for gay rights when church buildings and church temples were vandilized. please please go back in the closet!!!!

  • Buttars is AWESOME!
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    Thank you Senator Buttars for standing up for what is right despite all the pressure. You are a great man and I stand behind you 100%. Hang in there.

    You gays can sure dish it out, but you can't take it.

  • Tiger
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    I am really tired of the hypocrasy that abounds in the blogs. It is not ok for Senator Buttars to say what he said but it is perfectly fine for the homosexual community to picket the workplaces and residences of people who supported Prop 8. I am personally aware of a young couple in San Francisco who supported Prop 8 by making monitary contributions. The Homosexual community elected to picket both of their places of employment, calling them by name. Now the wife is being punished for her support of Prop 8 by those she works with. They won't have anything to do with her. Come on people, if the Homosexual community can be so ruthless, what is wrong with what Senator Buttars did. My point is, if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. If you don't like what Buttars said, they you need to reevaluate what you are doing because it isn't any less bigoted. You are a bunch of hypocrits. The only right that I have that you don't have is the right to marriage and I hope you never get it.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:24 a.m.

    hey des news commenter idiots...yes you can have free speech - but try telling your boss what you really think of him and see if there aren't any repercussions....Buttars is a representative of the state and should be fired if inappropriate.

  • Free Speech?
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    Sure, Chris Buttars is entitled to his right to free speech.

    He is also entitled to the consequences of his free speech.

  • To Mike in Sandy:
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    I assure you as a fellow citizen of Sandy that your views do not reflect the majority of your neighbors. Both our Republican senator and representative were replaced in November (as were several of our neighboring leaders) due to Sandy's disgust of the inaction taken by our R leaders to the unbecoming behaviors of some R legislators. When inaction to these behaviors takes places all Rs suffer and we lose elected officials (many of whom were sacrificed as a result). I say, Thank you President Waddoups!! You are the exact opposite of weak and powerless. I appreciate the courage and strength.

    Kate in Sandy

  • tl
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    Thank you dj for saying it so nicely and I think you hit it right on point. You brought out several good points that everyone would be well to consider as we all take part in deciding our future leaders and social well being. Democracy is a wonderful thing but only if people will take the time to express their thoughts and beliefs. However, Tact should always be a must or you find, like in this case, the "attempt" to address a problem only created another one that draws more attention away from the real problem.

  • But dj...
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    ...Buttars is the only one to do it.

  • Greg
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    Buttars is right.
    If I were in his district I would vote him in again.
    We would do well in America to vote based on morals and values instead of the appearance and polish of the candidate, so-called political correctness or fear of a vocal minority. Shame on those that punish Buttars for standing for truth and right.

  • Knowwhat
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    Des News, why don't you state all the facts that Buttars was set up by a gay activist film maker, who has lived a past life of lies.

  • Tiani Coleman
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:28 a.m.

    I'd like to commend Senator Waddoups for handling a very difficult circumstance as best he could.
    I'm glad he made clear that the removal of Senator Buttars from the chairmanship was in the best interests of the Senate overall, to keep that committee from distraction and to "free" Senator Buttars, but is not to be considered a punishment.
    Senator Buttars' way of expressing himself can be bombastic at times and his overzealousness on certain topics can be a distraction at the legislature, but he is definitely entitled to his right to free speech, and it would be a serious tragedy if the Republican Party caved to agreeing that only pc speech is allowed in the free marketplace of ideas.
    It's up to Senator Buttars' CONSTITUENTS to determine if his "antics" make him undesirable for service. Apparently, for good or ill, they voted him in regardless.

  • The Rock
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    Some would demand that God apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. What would they do if God refused? Impeach Him.

    I am so sick of all the gay complaining that I am beginning to think that they ended up in the closet in the first place because they wouldn't shut up.

  • tal
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    Butters didn't COMPARE gays to terrorists, he simple said gays were the GREATER threat to America. See how gays twist words. A country is always more vulnerable from within. Now the man has exercised his free speech and lost his chairmanship and respect. Gays are also calling for his job. The leader of the Senate is now being threatened for not removing Butters. Is this still America??? Some would have anyone punished that dissagreed with their idealogy. Now that Waddoups has removed Butters, no one will have the courage to speak their mind anymore. We cannot beat a path to socialism fast enough for some people.

  • John Pack Lambert
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    Sen. Buttars has every right to state his beliefs. Nothing Sen. Buttars said was false. I still believe in Freedom of Speech, even though it is dead in Utah.

  • G
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    Buttars should lose much more than his chairmanship.

  • Me
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    I'm a little concerned by all the referals to the LDS religion. I am not a practicing mormon but the majority of my family and friends are. Buttars is not an example of a mormon. He is an example of an angry, ill mannered individual. Not all mormons feel the way he expresses himself, and if they do they do not express it in a negative way. I stand up for my beliefs and voice them but do it in a constructive respectful way. Why should Buttars have some entitlement card to bring so much negativity to the community. We expect those is the public eye to be a positive example, Buttars but no means protrays community union or peaceful solutions. I'm glad he is gone, and I feel sorry for those who have to relate with him day to day.

  • One Sided
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    I don't understand. It's ok to hurt people, call them 'un american', boycott their businesses, send them fake powder, and list all supporter names so the whole LGBT community can know if they don't support gay rights, but if one Senator makes an off color remark mirroring his frustrations, frustrations his district apparently agrees with due to his reelection, suddenly the world blows up. Weird.

  • evensteven
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    The intolerance of those preaching tolerance continues to amaze. Sen. Buttars is clearly within his rights to say whatever he wants to about whatever he wants to. The calls for his censure and removal are Orwellian and totalitarian. I am offended by much of what the gay community has done and said in the aftermath of Prop 8. When will they just shut up and sit down?

  • just what we want
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    >> House Majority Leader Kevin Garn, R-Layton, said: "Chris is a good man and a good legislator, he's spent his career serving kids (as the retired director of the Utah Boys Ranch).

    "But he has a hard time controlling what he says."

  • Crumble
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    Is right, the hatred of the gay alliance for themselves, their country and anyone who disagree's with them is what is making our country crumble. They are like a predator who does not know when people say no they mean no!! Prop 8 said know!

  • Thank You Chris
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:34 a.m.

    Thank you Chris, for saying what many of us believe.

  • Crazy Progressives
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    I thought we as Americans had the freedom to believe as our conscience dictated? To condemn Sen. Buttars is wrong. If you don't like what he is saying, then don't vote for him in the next election. Why try to destroy someone who doesn't believe as you do??? To me, THAT is un-American!

  • Reader
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    Way to be evasive and cowardly, Waddoups. You and Buttars are disgusting.

  • Jeffreyw
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    Sen. Waddoups lost a good opportunity to stand by the Consitutional principle of free speech and not respond to public clamor from a radical, small segment of society. Notice how the grousing by the emotional midgets on this site is completely intolerant, hateful, and even espousing violence against Waddoups. You are completely unhinged and your words betray your true colors - tolerance and promotion of a high-risk lifestyle, but HATE toward anyone who has the fortitude to stand up for principles. I recall dealing with your type in elementary school: the biggest cry babies in the school yard whining until you wore others down until you got your way.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    I hope gays and lesbians make no traction in this state. We don't want you here. Haven't you figured that out yet? Go somewhere else.

    There is no reason this man should receive any retribution. He has a right to speak his mind. If someone doesn't like it then they don't have to vote for him. I find it refreshing to hear a politician call it like it is without sugar coating it with a bunch of PC garbage. This man continues to win reelection because he represents the views of his constituency.

    GOOD JOB SENATOR BUTTARS!

  • Chance
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    He should be reinstated! This action is too little, too late. I agree, it should have been said 20 years ago as the Gays started to emerge from the closet. The LGBT effort will indeed be a vice by which a free society will eventually draw to a close. There is no hate in that, just plain truth. Unfortunately, Even Mecham learned that part of being a politician is saying things in such a way that you whittle down your political adversaries over the long term, not cutting their jugular in a single day. It is all about being prudent. In Butters case, it is all about his lack of prudence. On the other hand, one could argue that the reason we are in this mess with the LGBT groups now is because people have been too politicized to speak up in times past. Our time is now over, there's is beginning. Put your armor on and get ready.

  • A honey
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    Every time I say something that my husband doesn't want to hear and knows that what I am saying is right he tells me to 'Shut up'.

    Buttars is doing the same thing and those who don't agree with him are forcing him to 'shut up'.

    Evil is not good nor is good evil.

  • AZMom
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    To Mike in Sandy: Waddoups did all that he could legally do. He can't kick Sen. Buttars out of the Senate- he was elected by the people of his district and the only way to remove him if he doesn't resign is the impeach him. Since what he said wasn't illegal, there are no grounds for impeachment. (You clearly didn't pay attention in your required government class in high school!) That said, even though the Political Correct Police were outraged, Buttars did nothing illegal, he merely exercised a cherished right of the USA of Freedom of Speech, guaranteed by our founding Fathers from the very beginning of our existance. You don't have to agree with him, but you absolutely should agree that he has the right to say what he believes. If we choose to censor everyone we don't agree with, then we'll find ourselves also censored because someone else won't agree with our point of view. Mike- i think you better take a refresher course in government!

  • Will
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    Did you really say the Utah is the "greatest hate on earth"? When Buttars flies an airplane loaded with civilians into a skyscraper, I'll agree with you.

  • Freedom of Speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    It continually amazes me that Freedom of Speech rights are becoming more and more restricted to political correctness and what conforms to the twisted and perverted views of the minority.

    Twenty years ago one of the great LA Dodger radio announcers was fired and thrown off the air because he made a common reference to a star Black athlete as being something different than intended. And now it continues. Any word that even hints of being against the gay community is now a hate crime.

    I don't like Buttars, nor do I think his comments are politically correct. But then, so what?? Since when did 'political correctness' override First Ammendment rights known as 'Freedom of Speech'?

    The Gay and Lesbian community have their own agenda. Anything ever said against their agenda, or ever said against their lifestyle, or ever said against their perception of 'moral appropriateness' is now shouted from the roof tops as "insensitive", "bigoted" and/or "a violation of their rights". They (the Gay and Lesbian community) however feel their freedom of speech extends to denegrating every church, every group, every person that ever resists their agenda.

    What a travesty, and we all allow it to continue.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    I learn more about the LDS from reading comments in the DN than I ever could from taking lessons from missionaries.

    Jesus Christ should sue you to have His name removed from any association from your hateful and intolerant organization.

  • Matt R
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    This isnt the only time Buttars has said hatefull and racial comments. I am live in West Jordan and I did not vote for him. I am appaled that people voted to keep him in office. I hope he truly does not represent the views of my neighbors. If so I need a new place to live. I dont necisarily support gay marriage, however I dont feel any hate towards people that live life different from me and certianly not people of different race and religion. He is a hatefull man and I hope he resigns, or impeached.

  • ExMoWeHoMo
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    Buttars has every right to say what he did. I hope he stays in office and keeps speaking his mind and is re-elected to office again. Buttars and Ruzicka are the best gift that Equality Utah could ever hope for. If anything, Buttars and Ruzicka are accelerating equal rights and I personally want to thank them for their efforts how ever misguided.

  • PC
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    The more PC way to say it is. The Gay ACTIVISTS, are a threat to America and terrorist group. Example, Once Prop 8 won, the activists attacked Christians throughout the country, burned Churches and Physically threatened little old ladies and sent white powder to LDS Church HQ and temples. Now if these are not terrorist actions, please help under stand what are.

  • Cats
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Buttars is a guy who needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut.

    However, he was elected and his constiuents want him to be there. He has a right to stay in office until his constituents decide to vote him out.

  • Linus
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Senator Buttars DID NOT:
    1. Label all who support gay marriage bigoted haters.
    2. Distribute the names of those against Prop. 8.
    3. Boycott businesses owned by opponents of Prop. 8.
    4. Label anyone's religion as bigoted.
    5. Destroy anyone's property.
    6. Desecrate anyone's holy shrine.
    7. Destroy anyone's livelihood through boycotts.
    8. Target innocent relatives and employees of supporters of Prop. 8.
    9. Undermine America's political processes by filing suit against the will of the people.
    10. Become so militant in his opinions as to strike fear in the community.
    All of the above were done by those Senator Buttars has labeled (correctly) as a dangerous threat to our country's well-being.
    Waddoups, and all the rest of you who want Senator Buttars denied his rights to free speech, ought to be ashamed of your sorry, un-American response to someone with the courage of his convictions. I'm ashamed that you besmirch the state in which we live!

  • Wow
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:42 a.m.

    We should all be nervous about our own freedom of speech now. Once again the gay community shows their true colors by whining and demanding someone lose their job because that person disagrees with their perverted lifestyle. Shame on the gay community at Channel 4 and Reed Cowan who did not fully disclose to Senator Buttars what the story was really about.

    I will NEVER accept what homosexuals do as normal. It's scary when you can't even voice that anymore with out the hateful gays vandalizing and protesting your place of worship and work. I will continue to voice my beliefs, no, it's not hate, just the strong belief that one man and one woman should be married.

  • Morals
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Buttars is arguing a case for morals. His opinion of good morals differs from some. Gays take it as a personal attack against their lifestyle. Buttars views their lifestyle as a potential threat to the society that he has been accustomed to. Both sides have a difficult fight in front of them.

    What side should back down? Take Buttars lack of tact out of it? Should he back down on his beliefs of what creates a better country?

    If he doesn't back down, does that mean he hates?

  • DK
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    In my humble opinion, dj shows the most sensitivity and wisdom in his/her approach to this question. Sen. Buttars strikes me as arrogant in his approach to this question. But there are many out there who think they ought to be able to say anything they want to and about Latter-day Saints and others who want to preserve traditional marriage--no matter how meanspirited and bigoted their remarks--and yet condemn LDS who are exercising and human and civil right that has been much longer recognized throughout history than a right to same-gender marriage (which despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, has not been recognized as a civil or human right).

  • DK
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    One more thought: As for "Free Thinker" above, I don't find much freedom in his/her thinking. To suggest that attitudes such as Buttars' exist only in Utah shows a pretty narrow perspective and field of experience. I've just moved back to Utah a little over a year ago after 25 years out of state (including 15 years in five Western European countries) and I have found just as many right-wing narrowminded bigots in other societies--even among the supposedly enlightened Europeans--as I have met here. In fact, in parts of the Southern US, even more. Free Thinker seems to be looking for a chance to jump on the locals. The fact that Utah is mostly Republican, for good or ill, doesn't mean Utahns are all a bunch of extremist bigots. I find a few here, like anywhere, (Is Buttars one? Who knows?) but overall I find in Utah a lot of moderate people of goodwill and decent intelligence.

  • Jerks lucky it wasnt my sister
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    Tiger,

    "It is not ok for Senator Buttars to say what he said but it is perfectly fine for the homosexual community to picket the workplaces and residences of people who supported Prop 8."

    Apparently there is a different standard for those who feel that they can harass Prop. 8 supporters at their homes and places of employment yet they feel that it was wrong for Buttars to call them names in an interview.

    "I am personally aware of a young couple in San Francisco who supported Prop 8 by making monitary contributions. The Homosexual community elected to picket both of their places of employment, calling them by name."

    Maybe the young couple should have gotten together with a group of friends, found out who they were and then went after them at their places of work but then they would cry foul and scream about how they are being discriminated against and how the young couple are homophobes for targeting gays at their work in an effort to punish them for trying to force the majority to grant gay marriage.

    At least Buttars wasn't outside of their homes trying to punish them for daring to vote.

  • Free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    The gays hate anyone that will not accept their life style and attack anyone that is aginst them. No one has courage to stand up to them now. Where is the free speech? Gays say what they want against the LSD church and there is no backlash agaist them.

    Yet Buttars says something and it is the end of the world, and they put on a full court press to silence him.

  • BH
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    Interesting. Thirty years ago these same words would have put Chris Buttars in the overwhelming majority opinion. Now, in this day of an "enlightened" society, it gets the man a modern day equivelant of a lynching.

    Are we any better off now than we were three or four decades ago? Then homosexuals feared to reveal their sexual behavior. Now, straight people fear to reveal that they find homosexuality repulsive. It seems we are still prejudiced. We have just picked a different group to hate. It really doesn't sound that enlightened after all.

  • Free Speech?
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Yes, we are free to speek our opinions. But, There are also consequences that we have to face when we exercise this "right" in some crazy manner. Being stripped of chairmanships that will be restored the next time they are divied out is not facing the consequences.

    Every time Buttars opens his mouth, the state gains a handful of democrats. I say keep him there. He lets the rationale people of the state know just how out of touch our Republican legislators are with mainstream Utah.

  • Carl R.
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    Senator Buttars is being crucified for his statements on a single issue and his head is being demanded by a special interest group. No one has mentioned how skilled he is as a leader in upholding his oath of office (honoring the U.S. and State Constitution), his knowledge of economics, history, political philosophy, law, etc., and his character virtues. All of these things define a statesman. The current firestorm shows that the gay rights movement is THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP that wants him out on (Freudian slip), and anyone else who dares stand up to their agit/prop (Soviet tactic) marketing machine that rivals that of Microsoft's. We need statesmen like Buttars, NOT like Waddoups who is playing to the rainbow crowd.

  • Disappointed
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:47 a.m.

    I'm disappointed that the homosexual community has been bowed down to here. What ever happened to free speech? If you don't agree with what someone says, fine. Disagree. But should we demand that if somebody doesn't candy-coat everything they say, that we will not let them do the job we asked them to do?

    In the days of the American Revolution, if we'd had this mentality, Patrick Henry would have been thrown out of public service for his "Give me liberty..." speech.

  • Classic Rock
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:48 a.m.

    It's a sad day when anti-homosexuality comments trump a persons career in politics. What he said is the truth. Have we become such sensitive wusses that we can't take a person's opinion. Tomorrow this would be old news had the liberal media just let it go. I can't stand the gay activists and will forever vote against anything that gives them any rights as long as they take our right to our opinon away. This is ridiculous. Buttars did nothing wrong.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    It's unfortunate that the loss of his committee chair positions is seen simply as punishment. Rather it's perfectly proper that Buttars lose his committee chair positions, as he has clearly demonstrated an incapacity to engage in the kind of civil discourse that it is the job of a committee chair to ensure takes places during any legislative committee's deliberations. And given that last year he showed utter indifference to the basic ethics relating to legislative oversight of the judiciary - and had to be removed from the same chairmanship - it's simply necessary once again.

    I doubt that Buttars has any idea as to why his comments are as offensive as they are, just as he really didn't get how truly disgraceful his black, ugly baby comments were last year. The guy is simply incapable of understanding how his words affect others.

    But, as for apologies, it's neither Waddoups' job to apologize for Buttars, nor would anybody believe it if Buttars were to apologize. He's simply too thick-headed or - as Mascaro seems to be implying - senile - to get it.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:49 a.m.

    Oh Utah, you deserve him.

  • CP
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    To the Pres. of the Senate: Why do allow people to control you like a puppet? Cause that's what they're doing. God gave you a brain and the power to reason and think with it so why don't you?

    I'm so glad that Chris Buttars isn't going to bend over and kiss the gay community's butt like the other gov. officials are. Glad to hear that he isn't going to apologize cause they really don't deserve one at all. The gays want to make everybody their little puppets to do as they want or else they will make life miserable for you, glad that Buttars can see right thru them - to bad the others' can't.

  • Me again
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    Jesus was crucified for telling the sinners the truth and they hated him- Not much difference here!!

  • Me again
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    Let the first gay who is without sin cast the first
    stone!

  • Robert Oh
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    Oh Chris,

    All this judgment, unkindness, and ill wishes for just being who you are.

    That must really feel bad to be judged and to be expected to change into someone totally opposite from who God made you.

    Hmm, how ironic.

  • John Pack Lambert
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with Sen. Buttars comments. I believe the LDS church should be more welcoming to the homosexual.

  • sobmij
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Truth Hurts

  • mamiejane
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    It's so interesting that the LDS Church sanctions a BYU student for a calendar but continues to allow hate spewing Buttars and torture memo drafter Jay Bybee to continue to serve as members. So much for real moral leadership!

  • Hooray Buttars!!!
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    Yeah Buttars!!! You are my hero!!! I am changing my slogan fro "WWJD" to "WWBD" hoora

  • Wilbur
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    Waddoups is a coward, as are his peers in the Senate. He and others, including John Valentine, have had plenty of opportunities to reduce Buttars' influence in the legislative process; but they have been unwilling to make the hard decisions they were elected to make. Our legislature deserves the buffoon-like characterization given it of late. When will this kind of garbage end?

  • karma
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    thanks goodness for karma

  • Thanks DJ
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    DJ, thank you for your thoughtful post. I echo your sentiments. Traditional marriage should be defended, and I'm happy for Buttars' standing up for his values.

    However, I'm also happy that the senate leadership took appropriate action, since Buttars' comments were not just "politically incorrect" but pointed and hurtful. He should NOT be the voice of conservatism in the state.

    Still, I'm disappointed with the Des News reporting. They make it seem like all Democrats are aligned with those for same-gender marriage, which just plain isn't true. I just don't understand where all the socially conservative Democrats went. We exist too!

  • Re: One Sided
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    You make an excellent point! It does seem hypocritical, doesn't it . . . .

  • @evensteven
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    I think everyone agrees that Sen. Buttars can say whatever he wants under freedom of speech. However, his political party can strip him of leadership positions also. That is within the rights and rules of the party. The entire Senate also has the right to impeach him and expel him if they so choose to do so.

    If someone threatened to harm Sen. Buttars or tried to convict him of a crime for saying what he believes, his rights would then be violated.

    As far as the Prop 8 people, why do you think they should just shut up? Don't they have the constitutional right to express their thoughts also? You have the right to disagree with them and counter their "speech" with your "speech". But, neither of you can force the other to be silent.

    By the same token, Buttars can continue saying what he thinks. He just needs to be aware that others will respond.

  • Senate President Michael Waddoup
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    The shoe is being put on the wrong foot! It is not Buttars who should be apologizing, but gays. It is gays who directly cause the deaths and associates costs from AIDS. It is gays that are the oppressors; attacking healthy families with perversion.

    Buttars can say what he wants. He lives in America. Clinton perverted the oval office. No one is telling him to shut up. He should. He too is a plight to America.

    I teach numerous gays. They have, in general, a hardened attitude unlike kind people. I don't need it nor their sexual perversion. STOP gays (who are anything but) from spreading death via inappropriate sex. That is all they are about; inappropriate sex, nothing else.

  • Saying it like it is
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    Sheri Dew's new book title, "Saying It Like It Is" sparks the mental thought that to be willing to stand up and tell it the way it is an admirable trait.

    Unfortunately for his political career, Chris Buttars agrees. His comments (taken in or out of context) state one UNARGUABLE fact: Today's gays and lesbians are intent on changing the historic moral fabric of society.

    Though he may have said it softer, nicer, more carefully, or with a political correctness slant--the FACT REMAINS. What he said is the truth--they ARE INTENT on FORCING this change on society.

    This will be Buttar's legacy:
    Stand for moral principles, speak the truth, and suffer politically for it.

    (But he at least took a stand. Most are content to bury their heads in the sand, or more stupidly, jump on the amoral bandwagon.)

  • Oh no???
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    Now there goes his ability to get "Merry Christmas" passed, with all the problems in the state, the knuckle heads on the hill are spending to much time on gay rights and Merry Christmas.

  • R GARNER
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    I believe he said some not all ack like Muslim radicals ...well talk to those who supported # 8 in California and see how many of the Gay supporters threaten people with physical violence and the loss of their employment because they participated in the democratic process. It appears to me that the only thing Butters did wrong was to be more thoughtful than those who would force their way of life on others through violence and threats. All butters did was give his opinion not call for violence and boycotts.

  • Seriously
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:04 a.m.

    If this guy had said "Anyone who does not look like me (race issue), worship like me(religion issue), or wear blue socks (just as valid as orientation and the other reasons to hate are) is a threat to society and should be deported or jailed. They would be a threat to Christ if he were here today!" Would you folks still call it "Freedom of Speech" or would that be enough to call it bigotry and hate speech? What he said could be taken as a call to violent action by some of the radicals out there who still believe it's their "right" to violently oppose anyone who does not conform. Sad.

  • CP
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    To KNOWwhat @ 10:28am: you are absolutely right. Buttars was set up and lied to by Reed Cowan. Who decided to come out of the closet about what he really is. So this mess is Cowan's fault cause he just doesn't know how to be honest with anyone. I used to respect him, but not anymore, not because of his life style that's his private business, but because he's a liar and it seems he doesn't care who he hurts.

  • Richard G.
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:05 a.m.

    Attention, Mormons of Utah: the problem here is that Buttars only vocalizes what many of you believe. I worked in the South during civil rights days, and listening to Mormons talk about gays reminds me of hearing Mississippi rednecks talk about black people -- lots of nonsensical rationalization for a position that is immoral and inhuman.

    Sooner or later, you must realize -- or be forced by political realities to realize -- that your religion-inspired views on gay people are morally wrong and socially unacceptable in a society that values equal rights.

    The demise of the Common Ground initiative has shown Mormons to be hypocrites when they claimed they only oposed gay marriage, not other civil rights for gays.

    So keep up folks -- until the contempt of the world and of civilized humans prompts your prophet to have a revelation about gays like the one in 1978 about black people.

    Until then, Utah continues its uncanny ability to appear in the national spotlight like a state full of horses buttocks.

  • Richard
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    One can sure feel the HATE in many of the previous articles, as well as the OUTRIGHT fabrication and double standards! The HATE and INTOLERANCE comes from the gays, democrats and the many other mindless life forms. Who are these mindless incompetent people HATE Bashing the LDS Church with story FABRiCATIONS? Who are these HATE MONGERING BIGOTS trying to remove our First Amendment RIGHTS, trying to FORCE disease ridden views on us? Given the corruption and moral degeneration in other states, Why would we be stupid enough to follow them? I am ashamed of Gov. Huntsman, the democrats and the gays, to think they stoop So low and to resort to lying to get their message acrossed. The Utah government is disgraceful to cave into terrorist along with the gays bigotry and HATE MONGERING. Senator Buttats is the ONLY representive we have that tells the TRUTH and the courage to do so. Make the gays accountable for their HATE bashing and dishonesty. They are the criminals, not Senator Buttars!

  • suzyk
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    There should be nothing wrong with Buttars stating his views...isn't that what this democracy is all about? Our country is in a mess because of fear in speaking our beliefs. Waddoups is a scared little man who stooped low to silence an american who just shared his opinion. Many feel the same way as Buttars. If we don't stand up for each other this country will indeed become socialistic filled with obamaites and his deceiving thieves that are supporting him. Wake up America...our freedoms are slowly dying away because we are afraid to express our opinions and beliefs. Waddoups should be ashamed of himself and bravo to Buttars..you will always have our support and prayers.

  • You people are pathetic...
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    Buttars is guaranteed free speech by the constitution. However it's the gutless legislators who are taking it away from him because the gay community has told them what they need to do, and they're so spineless they're listening to them and following orders.

    I've been interviewed on occasions and what ultimately comes out has nothing to do with what I was interveiwed about. I tell people not to believe too much of what they read or hear, because from my experience it's tainted.

    You remember the saying that if 86% of America believes in something, they should tell the other 14% to sit down and shut up. Well, looks like Buttars was in the 86%, and from blogs the past couple of days, alot agree with him. Well, the 14% have basically told all of us to sit down and shut up, and looks like most (legislature) is doing it. Gays are worried about what they'll lose - afraid they'll lose their jobs for being gay, well they should be proud of themselves, because look who lost his job for speaking his mind. He didn't say it was anyone else's opinion.

  • @One Sided
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    Who has said that it is OK to hurt people?

    Who has said that it is OK to send people fake powder?

    Those two things are crimes and people involved in those acts should be prosectued.

    But, as far as boycotting businesses is concerned, this is not a crime. It is part of a person's freedom to choose where he does business. I believe it is OK to organize or participate in boycotts.

    As far as knowing who a supporter of a movement is, the only reason this is known is if that supporter makes a financial contribution because contributins are public domain. What's wrong with listing the names of financial contributors to a political party or movement?

  • Love
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:07 a.m.

    Christ is Love. Those who have stated Christ loved all and hung out with sinners are very correct. He did so. He associated with people who had done all kinds of wrongs and loved them unconditionally.

    what you need to stop and ask yourselves though is did he ever condone their actions? Did he excuse their poor behavior? NO. He taught them how God wanted them to live. In his words to the adultress, go and sin no more. He urges us to strive for perfection. For some that may be overcoming homosexual urges. For others that may be finding kinder, gentler ways of expressing themselves. Judge yourselves as to what your weaknesses are and work to overcome them.

    To all of us, whatever our sins be (homosexuality, unkind speech, porn addiction, profanity, or whatever). Christ loves us all. He will always love you, regardless of what you do. However, his words still apply. Go and sin no more. Acknowledge your weakness and work to overcome them.

  • Please Read
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:08 a.m.

    Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to denote not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are closely related to, yet distinct from, the concept of freedom of thought or freedom of conscience. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech". This is because exercising freedom of speech always takes place within a context of competing values.

    Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation.

    (CONT)

  • rose parker
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:09 a.m.

    I just returned from the State Capitol. While there a few people (I think there were 7) appeard in gags to defend Mr. Buttars. It appears that poor Mr. Buttars has once again just been mis-understood. Why it's the GLBT community that cost Mr. Buttars to lose his chairmanships, not the GOP leadership who made the announcement. And he most certainly did not insult our black community last year. (Just ask the NAACP on this one). How anyone can possibly defend the actions of this individual is beyond me. He's an insult to the state of Utah and to all of us.

  • please Read 2
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:10 a.m.

    Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action[citation needed] against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport's scale which measures prejudice in a society.

  • same gender
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    Same gender folks are trying to fundamentally change our society - it is the greatest threat to out nation

  • Mike P
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:19 a.m.

    The fact that an ELECTED official could say these things and not be called to the carpet is the issue.
    Had anyone said anything like this during the movement for civil rights for African Americans or towards women or Latinos or ANY other minority group in the nation, they would be summarily rejected and dismissed from any and all positions of authority.
    That is the hypocracy, not that the LGBT community is standing up and demanding their human rights as Americans. I do not condone the actions of a small verbal group who have aattacked proponents of Prop 8,and by the same token, none of us should condone what the senator has said and done.
    To say an eye for an eye makes all of us blind.

  • Waddops
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    Waddops just proved what a coward he is. He panders to a minute percentage of the population. It is interesting that the pro gay groups can protest in front of LDS Temples, and spew vile speech, then sent hate mail to those whose donated to prop. 8, and the medias doesn't blink. But, Buttars makes some remarks of what he believes and Waddops cowardly strips him of his position.
    You did good Senator Buttars.

  • Interesting...
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    I didn't hear any gays apologize for the "Sweet Smiling Bigot" sign present during their prop 8 protests directed at President Monson, so why should Buttars apologize or face any retribution?

    The only people Buttars is accountable to are his constituents. If they don't like him, they can vote him out. You lose again gays, and you are in"flaming" your opposition.

  • JH
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    It figures that he continues to have the support of the Senate.

  • John Harrison
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    I'm willing to attach my name to this, unlike many of you.

    Senator Buttars is clearly a bigot. Does that make him unqualified to serve in the state senate? Apparently not, as he was re-elected by his constituents even though they knew full well what is in his heart. If they feel that his brand of hate best represents them then they've gotten what they deserve.

    As an active Mormon I'm surprised that so many of my fellow saints live in fear of homosexuals. They are not out to convert anyone, harm children, or cause any sort of mayhem. Comparing them to terrorists (another frequently overblown threat, but at least a real one) shows a disconnect with reality.

    I wonder how many that express opinions such as Senator Buttars has actually know a gay person that they think is a terrorist. And by "know" I don't mean "can name" I mean know on a first name basis, have been in their home, etc.

    We are often fearful of what we do not know. I urge those that would lash out with hateful words to get to know those you are attacking first.

  • Disgusted
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    So, Buttars views are shared by many legislators, huh? No wonder Utah is the laughing stock of the country when its legislator meets. What a terrible embarrassment!

    I am a conservative, life-long Republican and former state delegate whose parents taught me to disagree without being disagreeable. I just can't see any reasonable excuse or explanation for Buttars' behavior. How can the Utah Senate tolerate such repeated nonsense?

    And, the gay rights activists are correct that such outlandish behavior drives more people to the "middle" when it comes to their issues than it brings consensus with Buttars's vies.

    So, his behavior is counterproductive to all but the hard-core, right-wing, "we have the power and we'll do whatever we want" people.

    Wow, do we need some balance in the politics of this state, or what?

  • Carl R.
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    Ezra Taft Benson was once lambasted publicly for stating that "civil rights is the Communist tool for deception." His words have proved to be prophetic, indeed. The reasoning behind his statement was the degree to which the notion of "civil rights" would be taken in society by unprincipled and self-serving individuals, activist judges, and the Balkinization of society as a whole into "groups," thus permitting the opening of Pandora's Box for most any movement including the juggernaut of gay rights. It needs to be pointed out that Benson was NOT against blacks having exactly the same rights as everyone else of the era (something that some posters here will try to twist). He understood the FAR-REACHING and OVERREACHING effects that such legislation "unbridled" (unintended consequences) would take, including uprooting the moral pinnings and Constitutional foundation of America to nefarious ends. Race baiters and purveyors such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their shakedown tactics to pad their own pockets are a case in point. Learn from history... we are repeating it.

  • Moessers
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    As I recall a month or so ago, Tom Hanks said some pretty un-American things about Mormons. And by golly jeeprs was there an out cry from the Mormons. So much for free speech there. But I guess free speech only counts when you agree with what the other person is saying.

  • Henry Drummond
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    I was interested in the comments of Steve Mascaro. I don't think Chris is the only one going over the falls in a barrel over issues surrounding homosexuals. I remember another prominent politician becoming very frantic in a conversation I had with him about the need to stop the "wave of homosexuality sweeping the nation". He really believes that everyone is somehow going to turn gay. I'm not sure why this issue is being elevated above issues like drug abuse, gang violence, and any number of issue that need serious attention.

    It almost seems that any kind of change on social attitudes makes these guys go crazy. I saw it during the civil rights movement where the key issue seemed to be social change being evil in and of itself, not what the social change was.

    It is a little sad to see this happening to someone who really has served people well, especially in his direction of the Utah Boy's Ranch.

  • How sad
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:25 a.m.

    You people crying "free speech" would come down on him like a load of bricks (like you did when a presidential candidate said unkind things about your religious group) if he said something derogatory about YOUR group. I am in that religious group and I am shocked he is still serving and you are defending him.

    If he said EXACTLY what he said but replaced the word "gay" with any other group you would be leading the charge.

    What public figures and public servants say DOES matter and he should be held accountable.

  • here we go again...
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:26 a.m.


    In this latest blow against free expression in the public forum, Waddoups and others have abused what should be very limited authority over one of the Senate members. Regardless of whether speech offends sensitivities, it is still protected. This is called freedom, for those who may have forgotten. Many believe it is time to push back against the Gay agenda, which has gone too far. Now apparently it not lawful to speak or act politically against it. Free expression does have consequences, but Buttars was duly elected by his constituency. They are the only ones who have the legitimate right to shut him up by ballot, if they so choose. They haven't done so. By taking this action Waddoups and others show that they misperceive the reality of the situation, which is that the Senate as a body is not responsible for the conduct of its individual members, and thus they have no right to constrain members in any way. That right should be reserved to those who elect them.

  • Wrong
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:27 a.m.

    "Homosexuality is wrong. Those who practice it are misguided."

    Now how many people think I'm a hater? Should I resign from my job too?

  • Frankly
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    Homosexuals should not be called "Gay". that is the ultimate insult to people with that name.

  • Rae Rae
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    Did anyone really expect this guy to resign!!

    These government officials are above the law.

    Take a look at the recent national appointments by our new president.

    Their wrong doings is more than likely just the tip of the iceberg.

    Had the common working man forgot to pay their taxes they would be in prison.

    Buttars...he is special and he deserves special treatment!! Yes Sir!!


    RE: Greg | 10:27 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009

    Buttars has morals and values...HONESTLY, get a clue hero!!

    His move to let anyone teach..what is that!!

    Looks like he should put a bill up to let anyone legislate.

    Now that would be morally correct!!

  • To: Earth
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:30 a.m.

    Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, not just two people who want to be together. It is the government's business, because it is they who sanction or make the union legal. That's why those who perform marriages have to be licensed by whatever state they perform said marriages in. Hence, only certain persons can perform the marriage cermony. Simple enough?

  • Confused
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:30 a.m.

    The thing I found interesting about Buttars comment is that he seems to think that morality is what stops most men from having sex with other men. I personally don't need any moral authority to tell me that I am not interested in having sex with a man. It just isn't my thing. Does Buttars really think there are a bunch of men out there who would want to have sex with guys all the time if it wasn't looked down on so much by society?

  • PC is destructive
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    Waddoups was wrong to strip Buttars' committee membership. All this PC garbage from the goobernator's office is sickening. How is it possible that that goobernator has any positive approval rating at all? Hurray for Buttars. Keep it up!

  • They would do the same to Jesus.
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:35 a.m.

    Pharisees didn't like what Jesus said, either. So, they crucified him.

    How hypocritical that immoral speech is defended and protected but moral speech is punished and driven out.

    The prophesy that Salt Lake City would be numbered among the wicked cities of the world is now being fulfilled.

    I hope this falls on the head of those who did this to Buttars.

  • Jen
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:37 a.m.

    This discussion about free speech is interesting, with both sides commenting on whether Buttars should/shouldn't have the right to express himself without ramifications like forced resignation. There are some that condemn Buttars for speaking his mind, and others who condemn those who call for his resignation. It seems to me that, however provocative and painful the statements and condemnations were, both sides are speaking under the protection of the First Amendments. We may agree, passionately, or disagree with equal passion the position of one side or another, but it's my opinion that it behooves us perhaps to embrace that which allows those who disagree with us to speak. Protest and prosecute violence, vandalism and other crimes on both sides. And maybe agree to discuss these issues based on our opinions and reasoning rather than relying primarily on emotion. We are a community, we try in most cases to do right by one another, and--if we are honest--we concede that perhaps there is an agenda behind both points of view. On the one hand, the protection of marriage and related issues. On the other, the search for equality. We can civilly discuss both.

  • Only in America
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    Isn't it great to live in a country where you don't have to fear reprisals for expressing your feelings? Hate is very good way to demonize anyone that expresses something contrary to your beliefs. I disagree with socialism, but I don't hate socialists. Buttars has every right to say what he wants. We have every right -- at least those in his district -- to elect someone else next time. He did not unethical or illegal. Why should he resign?

  • Voice of Reason
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    Like most Utahns and Americans, I am against gay marriage and believe homosexuality is harmful to individuals and society.

    But comparing gays to Islamic terrorists? Come on . . . Sen. Buttars went WAAAY over the line with that one. Guys like him make it too easy for gay activists to ignore the very real risks of homosexuality and focus on their crazy words as a straw man.

  • Hate Speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:40 a.m.

    Then per what READ 2 said all of the negative comments against the LDS Church should be registered as HATE SPEECH.

  • Anon to protect myself
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:41 a.m.

    So much for freedom of speech in this country, and especially in Utah. Since when is expressing one's opinion "hate speech"? I thought outside of yelling "fire" in a crowded building, you could still speak your mind. Apparently not anymore, and particularly when it "infringes" on the alternative and liberal "lifestyle" crowd. Keep this in mind, prophecies about our time (another thing like marriage gays don't believe in) are coming true, and God will judge this land soon. So, just be prepared for the heavenly barbecue.

  • Liken
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:41 a.m.

    The gays win another battle for homosexuality. For some reason there are a disproportioned number of homosexuals in the mormon community and as the gay rights movement gains in number and strength the church will have to allow them into positins of authority.

  • Not a Free Speech Issue
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:44 a.m.

    It's hard to take any of the Buttars defendants seriously when they can't even frame the argument. Nobody is challenging his constitutional right to say these things. Fair minded rational thinking individuals are challenging the notion that Buttars has the intellect and demeanor to serve as an elected official and REPRESENT UTAH. If you think his current comments make him a moral crusader I would implore you to read a book, that's right any book. If you need to break yourself in with books that have colorful pictures that's okay, keep reading. Eventually you might move on to something non-fiction. (I've got to warn you though...sometimes these binded papers might express something that you don't agree with!) I know, I know, but just fight through it. With time you will come understand that there a lot of people with different ways a doing things, and that there should be a higher standard set for individuals that we pay to represent us and ultimately unite us. That's all.

  • LA
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    My husband & I both heard what Sen. Buttars said and both found nothing he said to be false. I don't believe that makes us hate mongers. Please!
    Perhaps he could have used a little more tact, but c'mon - that doesn't mean he needs to be strung from the nearest tree. Give me a break!!!

  • In reality...
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:47 a.m.

    If any group should be offended by Senator Buttars comments it should be the radical Muslims!

  • Patrick
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:47 a.m.

    I may not agree with all things that Sen Butters says, but I do admire his courage in saying them - unlike your typical politician who says conflicting things to different groups to win their approval.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    same gender | 11:11 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009
    "Same gender folks are trying to fundamentally change our society - it is the greatest threat to out nation"


    "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may" AS LONG AS WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE SINNERS. THEN WE WILL TREAT THEM AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND PASS LAWS SO THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE THE PRIVILEGES AND BENEFITS WE CLAIM AS A RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE.

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    to: The True Messiah,

    You would be the first in line for the hangin'.

  • Not Enough
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:50 a.m.

    Waddoups did not go far enough. The blood is now on his hands. No apology or expression of sensitivity by Waddoups--our 2nd most powerful leader in the state!--was appalling. I am straight. I attend church every week. I am a registered Republican. I attend R meetings, caucuses, conventions. Buttars and Waddoups do not reflect my views at all. They are out of step with the more moderate mainstream. Just look at the polling on this. Utahns want Buttars gone. Waddoups is close to going, too. He will be a short timer. We need Valentine back, fast. Why isn't Hillyard President? Bell? Anyone else new who can get the job done, show leadership. I will work to vote these guys out if they do not wake up and show some decency toward other human beings. Get over your homophopia! Give dignity to people who are different.

  • To the Religious
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:53 a.m.

    To those who believe in God and that He gave us commandments; please do not be influences and corralled by political correctness. Do not fall for the lie that to believe homosexuality is wrong means that you are a hateful person. It is not hate.

    God is love, and it is He that told us that this is a sin because He knows it hurts the children He loves. They don't understand that, but we can't help that. I have gay friends and relatives I love completely and I don't judge them personally, but I do know the act is a sin and I will not be moved by name calling.

    I do wish the senator had chosen his words with more decorum and kindness but he does have the right to his opinion and it is strange that people think elected officials somehow lose that right.

  • TG
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:56 a.m.

    Buttars will be just fine. He has thousands of supporters. No matter what anyone wants to assume--- Homosexuality is ungodly and wrong.

  • Adam Jensen
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    You know what interesting about Buttars. A lot of the strongest anti gay politicians... actually gay.
    Buttars, do you have anything to tell us?

  • Knowwhat
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    Nice trying to impersonate a conservative republican, who are you really? Governer Huntsman!

  • RESIGN - NOT BUTTARS
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:02 p.m.

    I wish the Gay Community would resign, or move, or better yet, go back in the closet where THEY belong.

  • Paul Gibbs
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    There are actually people here comparing Buttars message of hate to the Savior's message of love? That's appalling and profane.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:03 p.m.

    "The prophesy that Salt Lake City would be numbered among the wicked cities of the world is now being fulfilled. "


    That is an old wives tale. Show me where it is cannonized in scripture. It is as true as Joseph Smith stating that 6 foot tall men lived on the moon (he did say that, by the way.)

  • Opus
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:04 p.m.

    To claim Sen. Buttars is standing up for a moral, and just cause, is a lie. All Christain know, Jesus in Anger,threw the money changes out of the temple but forgave a prositute. Where would he draw the line on this? I see Politicians as Money Changers, they say anything for tender, profit, and attention. Buttars is a doddering old fool, who thinks himself a moral champion in one hand, but in the other hand he is no better than a money changer.

  • Chris
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:06 p.m.

    I am a constituent of Senator Buttars and plead with him to resign. He does not represent us. His shameful and hate-filled diatribes are anti-freedom, anti-American, and anti-Christian.

  • JMH
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    Sen Buttars is absolutely correct. !!
    We need more people and not only politicians to stand up to what is right and say it as it is !!!
    we are all citizens of this great nation in which was founded the very same principals that are today being repremended...
    I am tired of the GAY agenda saying that everyone that disagrees with them is hateful. I am not hateful and i could care less who or what is your partner and what you do behind close doors, just dont try to force your way of living as something normal and try to infiltrate insunuations that your GAY lifestyle is OK within the community and society.
    What Sen Buttars have said is on the dot... there will be a cleansing of all the wickedness.

    EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTS SEN BUTTARS SHOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND RALLY AGAINST WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS WRONG AND NOT LET OURSELVES BE INTIMIDATED BY THREATS OF HATE OR LOVE THY NEIGHBOR... YES I DO LOVE MY NEIGHBOOR AND THAT IS WHY I WILL TRY TO INFORM THEM WHEN I SEE THEM DO SOMETHING WRONG.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    Only in Utah.

  • Indiana LDS
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:12 p.m.

    I'm amazed a the hatred and narrow-mindedness in these blogs. I'm not gay, but I support my friends and family who are (and that is NOT their choice). Unconditional love is what we are admonished to extend to everyone.
    "Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord." Leave the seperating of the chaff from the wheat to Heavenly Father when the time comes. None of us can presume to know the mind of God. What if (dare I say it?) the only question we are asked after we translate to the other side of the veil is "How did you treat your fellow man -- including the gays?" How many of us would be able to hear "well done", and not have to hang our heads in shame???

  • @me again
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:12 p.m.

    Jesus was crucified by the Religious Leaders of the day.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:12 p.m.

    PC said: "The more PC way to say it is. The Gay ACTIVISTS, are a threat to America and terrorist group. Example, Once Prop 8 won, the activists attacked Christians throughout the country, burned Churches and Physically threatened little old ladies and sent white powder to LDS Church HQ and temples. Now if these are not terrorist actions, please help under stand what are."

    Have any gay people been CHARGED with those crimes? Convicted? Sentenced?

    One little old lady had her STYROFOAM cross taken away from her AFTER she verbally excoriated the anti-hate protesters.

    I wouldn't put it past the Mormons to send THEMSELVES envelopes of white powder solely to FAN the flames of anti-gay hatred. After reading about the Evergreen Project and Utah Boys' Ranch, I believe the Mormon "church" to be capable of ANYTHING.

    I am a gay man; I am TERRIFIED of Mormons. The scenes in "Latter Days" are TRUE depictions of what happens to gay people when they fall into the Mormons' clutches.

  • IMPORTANT Info
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    I just came across a website while trying to look up Buttars email address. It is obviously bias against Buttars, however they have evidence to back up not only the hateful and racist comments but numerous indescretions that a represenative should be ashamed for. Remember that he represents you West Jordan and that he speaks for you. The site is (save me from my senator) it is an older site i believe was used for the elections last November.

  • "His views are shared by many"
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:15 p.m.

    If true, it's a sad commentary on the intelligence of others. There is no room in a pluralistic society for such bigotry. Expressing your opinion is one thing, but Buttars routinely steps over the line of decency.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    ALL contributions to Prop Hate, both pro and anti, are available on the CA Secretary of State's website. BEFORE the election, the pro-hate forces sent VERY threatening letters to businesses and individuals who had contributed to the anti-hate side to date. Basically they threatened to blackmail them unless they sent money.

    I have a RIGHT to picket those who would deny me the right to marriage and a family.

    The Religious Reich ULTIMATELY wants the LEVITICAL penalty applied to gay people:

    DEATH.

    I think *that's* worth getting up in arms about.

  • Borat vs Buttars
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    Buttars says a lot of stupid things but that does not mean he means them. He might be a performance artist or something. I mean, does he really think everyone in America would get involved in a gay relationship if they lost their moral stigma? That has to be a joke.

  • Inappropriate comments
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    To demonstrate that what Buttars said is inappropriate, replace "gays and lesbians" with any other group of people, such as Mormons. Would we be defending free speech if a state senator from Alabama said these things about Mormons? I would hope that we would demand an apology.

    As Buttars comments were spread around the world, he became the symbol of Utah and the Church. If we sit back and say nothing, we in fact validate his positions. To all who read this, Buttars does not represent the views of this Utah Mormon.

  • Joe Will
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    Senator Buttar's stated his opinion. While we may not like what He said or how He said it, He has the right to do so. Was it politicaly correct, probably not. The majority in Utah do not believe in the gay life style. While condemning Sen. Buttars, the gays picket Graff auto dealedships because Ms. Graff donated to defeat Prop. 8 in California. Is one act better than another, I think not. Perhaps we would all be better off not casting stones, after awhile it gets tough to dodge.

  • Change the name of free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    Free Speech only applies to the gays and lesbians. It is controlled and consequential speech to anyone else - Excuse me why I bend over and look for the soap. Rudy the Rump Ranger smiling while all the rest of us try to make logic out of the illogical!!!

  • About free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:22 p.m.

    One thing about those of you crying about free speech forget one thing--there are consequences to what you say. Those in leadership positions, especially, will likely lose those leadership positions if they happen to say things that show that they do not care about all of the people for whom they are responsible. Chris Buttars's comments showed a strong dislike for homosexuals. Believe it or not, Senator Buttars was elected to represent ALL people withing his district. And yes, as hard as that is to believe, there are homosexuals who live within his district. That alone shows he is not concerned about protecting the rights of all the people he was elected to represent.

  • Nice Job
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    The gay agenda strikes again. Anyone who oposes their view is guilty. End of discussion.

  • Nick
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:32 p.m.

    Butters particular, and the legislative leadership in general, are a phenomenal embarrassment to Utah.

    As private citizens they can spout off whatever kind of red-neck knuckle-dragging nonsense they want.

    As legislators, however, our state deserves far better than this, and it's high time Chris Buttars resigned.

  • Free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:35 p.m.

    Yes, Buttars has the right to say anything he wants as a private citizen. But he was not speaking as a private citizen. If you listen to the whole 16 minutes, he makes it clear that he is speaking as a Senator and will use his position, along with Gayle, to "kill" (his words) all gay rights bills. He receives a salary from the state of Utah. He may have been elected, but he is still essentially an employee. If I as a state employee said what he did, I would have been disciplined, maybe even fired.

  • Albemar
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    Buttars represents Utah and the LDS faith to the rest of America. You might want to re-think your choice?

    Yes he is a perfect fit for the Grand OLD Party, and a clear example of the struggles the G.O.P. are experiencing.

    For a group who claims(?) to love everyone and not discrminate, blah, blah, blah, it is an interesting choice of a spokesperson who gets a lot of media attention to represent Utah.

  • Good grief!
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    In Buttars tirade replace the word "gay" with "mormon" and all the people agreeing with him would be up in arms and screaming "persecution." Except being mormon is a choice, being gay is not...

  • political correctness - very sad
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:40 p.m.

    This is all about political correctness and it is very disappointing and wrong. Buttars spoke his mind and was censored for it. That is NOT democracy nor is that freedom of speech.We call that good ole political correctness at its worse. After the passage of Prop 8 gays everywhere (including Utah) were BASHING the LDS church as well as doing physical harm and property damage to all who voted for the bill. NOTHING NOTHING and I mean NOTHING was done or said about that. Where were all the high minded folks then? No where to be found !! Very sad and very hypocritical.

  • David R. Freebairn
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    I am continually astonished that in this country of free speech we are only permitted to say what is "politically correct." Are we not allowed to say what we really think anymore because it might offend someone? I applaud the man for speaking his mind, whether I agree with him or not.

  • To all neocons.
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    So homosexuality might be un-Godly, wrong, immoral, impure, etc etc blah blah blah. It is NOT, however, illegal.
    And stop throwing God and Religion into this. This is a legal issue about rights for DOMESTIC PARTNERS. Buttars is the clown who turned "domestic partnership" rights into GAY rights.
    You people are hilarious. So unworldly, uninformed, hateful. And you are stupid enough to think homosexuality is a CHOICE....HA! It is as much a condition as heterosexuality.

    So leave your Bibles and BOM's where they belong....out of the issue.

    MikeyMike
    Hetero Roue and womanizer.

  • Culture War, Not a Picnic
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:44 p.m.

    Removing Senator Buttars was a cowardly act by people still bowing the knee to the "PC" police.

    Homosexual activists are treating these issues like the culture war it is. Senator Waddoups and the Utah GOP are treating it like a neighborhood picnic, where we all just need to "get along." That has been the problem for decades.

    Sooner or later, we as a traditional majority will finally wake up and realize that this is culture war--for the heart and soul of Utah and America. I only hope it will not be too late.

    We need to recognize that the LGBT movement has operated and continues to operate on the principle of gradualism, along with threats, intimidation, and faulty appeals to "tolerance," "understanding," "equality," and "fairness." The only "getting along" that occurs with the LBGT lobby is when we abandon our principles.

    Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
    As to be hated needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
    we first endure, then pity, then embrace
    Alexander Pope

    We should recognize these tactics and not shy away from standing on, and making clear statements of, policy and principle.

  • Whiggy
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:46 p.m.

    Why can't we have legislators who focus on the budget, rather than on antagonizing the public?

  • Outrage
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    Buttars should resign--he would be better off, and we as citizens of Utah would be better off, if he had a different profession.

  • need more like Buttars
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    Utah needs more leaders like Chris Buttars. Buttars may not represent the liberal left wingers in Salt Lake but he sure does represent the rest of the state. This much I know, for all those who voted to demote and censor Chris, I guarantee you will be in my cross hairs come election time.

  • To sort of quote someone else...
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    The majority of the GLBT community DID NOT:

    1. Label all who support gay marriage bigoted haters.
    2. Distribute the names of those against Prop. 8.
    3. Boycott businesses owned by opponents of Prop. 8.
    4. Label anyone's religion as bigoted.
    5. Destroy anyone's property.
    6. Desecrate anyone's holy shrine.
    7. Destroy anyone's livelihood through boycotts.
    8. Target innocent relatives and employees of supporters of Prop. 8.
    9. Undermine America's political processes by filing suit against the will of the people.
    10. Become so militant in his opinions as to strike fear in the community.

    All of the above were done by a small but vocal minority of GLBT people. Somehow all are grouped in that category, however.

  • Atta boy !
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    We need more politicians that are not afraid to speak their mind. Currently, the majority of politicians are scared to death to say anything because of some ridiculous "hurt my feelings" standard that has been shoved down our throats. If people cannot handle comments made from some other individual, then maybe being a "human being" is not for you.

  • Nelson
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place where even the harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and respect for others. Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the word propriety.

  • Michael
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    Disgraceful and despicable, an Archie Bunker but with power, guile and a media outlet to boot. Oh well, the skiing will continue to be great as long as Buttars keeps out-of-staters away from re-location to Utah.

    Huntsman: Buttars is an obvious liability to your economic development efforts to bring commerce to Utah.....wake up!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    It would be an affront to liberalism to fail to defend Buttars' right to hold and express his views. At lease you know were he stands on this issue. Removing him is stupid and cosmetic. It's people like Buttars that makes Utah so unique. It's may have been divine intervention that Dinosaur National Monument is located in Utah.

  • Nelson
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place where even the harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and respect for others. Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the word propriety.

  • Ma
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    The last bastian of hate and racism is about the homosexuals. Why can't we just all live in peace. All of us are God's children. All of us, like it or not.
    However, I believe elected officials should not be allowed to harbor their hate in public. Do it at home. How many gay people are voters, civil home owners, better adoptive parents than heterosexual people???? It's what is in one's heart, not who they love. Let's stop this duality and fear mongering! Enough is enough.

  • Wayne
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    What a shame to punish a good man because we want to cater to the homosexual community. Free speech, especially when it is true, can't be allowed in our nation any more. Liberals control the media and the thought police have nothing better to do than worry about issues like this.

  • Garmand
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:55 p.m.

    Its not Rocket science, this affection disorder.

    Although Buttar's words sound offensive, and I don't condone mean spiritedness, he is quite correct about perversion. The truth is that homosexuality is not rocket science. People, particularly young people can get their affections (attractions) oriented to the same sex, by the power bonding (love) chemicals that are released in the body as a result of touch, affection and by sexual activity. If two young people masterbate together or think about the same sex while engaged in that kind of activity, then powerful bonds of affection and attraction are created in the mind and thus psycho-sexually they become "perverted". This isn't rocket science, its just well known fact. Sure some are born with stronger inclinations and weaknesses than others, but it can happen to anyone if you combine sexual activity with the wrong kind of thoughts. Thats how it happens, thats how pedophiles become attracted to young people, thats how many heterosexual women turn into Lesbians in prison. Most conservative people like Buttars are honest enough to speak the truth.

  • Shame on UTAH
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:56 p.m.

    Utah political correctness and censorship - no doubt encouraged by Gov Huntsman. Speaking out in a civil and bold way USED to be allowed in American and Utah - but no more. The far LEFT LIBERALS who HATE Christians and go public with that HATE regularly (remember prop 8) are NEVER censored - NEVER. What a shameful practice of democracy - or the lack thereof. Utah. Read Ralph Waldo Emmersons essay on Self Reliance and note that he cherished the right to speak freely without apology. The US is a far cry from the great leaders and teachers of the past. A long long way. Today we have fear that rules the day and bold speech is kept under a bushel else you suffer the retribution of the media and your fellow - spineless - peers.

  • Read 2
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    Hate Speech | 11:40 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009
    "Then per what READ 2 said all of the negative comments against the LDS Church should be registered as HATE SPEECH."



    Yes, it should.

  • Philadelphian
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    Seperation of Church & State. Heard of it Utahns?

  • KM
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    The politicians in Washington are stealing our childrens future and we are stuck on this inane, insensitive subject.
    The president, congress and the sentate should all resign in disgrace!
    It won't be long before we will forget about the fight with immorality in our society, because we will be starving to death!

  • Give us liberty or death tyrant
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:00 p.m.

    Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark,

    "I have a RIGHT to picket those who would deny me the right to marriage and a family."

    No one is denying you the right to a family nor the right to love whomever you choose and to publicly express your commitment to that person. That's your business and no one really cares what you do in the privacy of your home or how you choose to exercise your freedom of association and speech but marriage isn't a right. Its a legal institution created by the majority and its no more discrimination to define marriage then its discrimination to define the age necessary to vote, drive, or serve as a Congressman.

    "The Religious Reich ULTIMATELY wants the LEVITICAL penalty applied to gay people:

    DEATH."

    This has nothing to do with religion and I'm sick and I'm tired of your lies and that is the facts so come to my house and picket my family and watch as I wipe your face with a copy of the constitution that you quote to defend your right to harass those I love. My family has had enough with your lies and with your tyranny.

  • Doug Cortney
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    I believe the people of Utah want legislators who arrive without such strong prejudices that they are unable to consider the merits of legislation, voting instead based strictly on their knee-jerk, emotional responses.

    Sen. Buttars has shown that he's unable to function in this manner with regard to anything remotely involving gays and lesbians. Given that the Judiciary Committee hears many of these bills, Sen. Waddoups' action was completely appropriate.

    That said, the voters in his district knew -- or should have known -- about Sen. Buttars' strongly held beliefs when they re-elected him last November. His district decided to send someone with those prejudices and views to the Senate; there is no reason for him to resign simply for having voiced those views.

    While Sen. Buttars doesn't represent what the people of Utah and the Senate leadership want as a member of the Judiciary Committee, he does apparently represent the people of his district. I think that's unfortunate, but that's neither here nor there.

  • EA
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    Buttars with you all the way! We can love everyone, but that doesn't mean we have to let their values take over society.

  • Your vote based on stupid morals
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    Philadelphian,

    "Seperation of Church & State. Heard of it Utahns?"

    How many times must you told that our votes based on our opinions are no more unconstitutional because of their religious nature than yours are because they are Marxist, sexist or just plain stupid. We will not have our votes negated because of their source and be told that our rights don't matter.

    We have the right to vote based on our beliefs just like you do and we will not have our votes negated because you REFUSE to allow us the right to vote if it's based on our religious or moral beliefs.

    We aren't forcing you to worship or believe the way we do but you are denying us the right to have our opinions become law solely based on the origin of our beliefs. That is tyranny. If you don't get that then we will fight you for our rights until the die we dcie and you will have to kill us to prevent us from going to the ballot and voting our opinions because that is what you do and your opinions is based on your MORALS and they are stupid.

  • BG
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:09 p.m.

    Mr. Buttars represents conservative, right-wing fanaticism - gone wild! If this man emulates community standards - we're in big trouble! He is undoubtedly, a poster boy, for bad behavior/warped prejudice, a disturbed, obsessed man, who belittles moderation/competent dialogue - as he confronts/ shreds, common decency! Sadly, he is just one, of many, right-wing, Republican zealots - who walk/haunt the halls, of our State Legislature! He should be asked to resign, or expelled - if necessary!

  • Nelson
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place where even the harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and respect for others. Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the word propriety.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    Couldn't have happened to a sweeter guy.

  • Snoop
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    So school administrators, teachers and counselors can say what ever they want without repercussions. MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!

    Bet they're amped about that!!

    Hey, while your at it add police officers and other public workers to the list!!

    Remember there are not conseqences or accountability.

    Right on, what a great state we live in!

  • Amazed
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    I'm sure that if a member of the Utah Legislature made the same comments that the esteemed Senator made, but substituted the word "Mormom" for the term "gay," the good people of Utah would be lining up one after another to support his right of free speach. After all, that's just the kind of fair, principled and even-handed approach to issues of gay rights, women's rights and racical equality that makes Utah and its people standout.

  • Karl
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:14 p.m.

    It is amusing to read the justifications made for Butters behavior when refering to the inappropriate behavior of the protestors of Prop 8. It is my personal and moral decision to believe as I do that sexual behavior outside of the marriage covenant is wrong; but if I take to the air-waves to condemn those who believe and behave differently I must expect to suffer the consequences that the air-waves may bring. Butter clearly used bad judgment as a public official and has to suffer the consequences.

  • david
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:15 p.m.

    How many chances does a person get. This is his third strike. First racist comments about a bill. Second saying we should all say christmas that is going against non christian religions and now strike three Gays have no morals. Also something that no one is mentioning about him. He compared gays to "extremist muslims" what does this say about muslims makes them sound evil. I had a muslim neighbor one of the nicest people i have ever met. luckily he said extemist but still most other countries hate america. It isn't hard to see why when people like buttars say these things. He has a right to his own opinion but when that opinion hurts the state it is wrong. I am about to move out of this state because of people like him. As a state we are trying to increase tourism but who wants to come to the state that hates gays and has to track anyone who drinks alcohol luckily that didn't pass.

    Thanks MR. BUTTARS you bigotry has helped the state. Maybe he should run for president then he can eliminate anyone that stands in his way. btw this won't get posted

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    Let this be a shot across the bow for all hate-filled far-righters who think America is no better than The 3rd Reich.

  • Gay & Conservative
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    Wow, why do I even want to wade into this. Okay, here goes. I am a gay male and also a conservative in the old sense of the world. I am religious (though some might not think that possible). I believe in complete equality of opportunity for all citizens. Because of that I believe that Sen. Buttars has the absolute right to say what he fells. However, by making it so plain that he could not bring himself to apply constitutional guarantees of equal protection to all citizens he also made it clear that he was not the appropriate person for the chairmanship of that committee. For our society to work we need to let go of the loathing and distrust that characterizes relationships between minorities (yes Gays & Mormons are both minorities in my book) and instead seek ways that we can constructively live together while preserving the freedom of both groups. Freedom is not a zero-sum-game. It is possible for all of us to have the same equality of opportunity without any one group sacrificing their own rights.

  • reply to : About free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    come on dude, wake up and smell the roses! Consequences for free speach? Hah!!! There are NO CONSEQUENCES for the liberal left gay activists who TRASHED CHRISTIANS in very ugly ways after the passage of prop 8. Geez, it was all over the internet in every state. Was there ONE reprimand handed down to the gay activist groups who were spewing out all the hate and misinformation? NONE !!! Consequences only flow one direction apparently. Sad and shameful!!

  • Avenger
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:16 p.m.

    RE: Senate President Michael Waddoup | 11:03 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009

    So your saying only gays spread aids.

    U B Smurt...reel smurt!!!

  • Craig Coleman
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    Wow! It looks like Eric Holder was right, except he should have extended his comments beyond just race. We are a nation of cowards, standing toe to toe shouting at one another, but only after putting a bag over our heads so that no one knows who we are.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:19 p.m.

    The first amendment applies to everyone.

  • John
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    Oh stop it. All of you. Don't we have something more important to worry about than who Senator Buttars doesn't like this week? The media needs to find a different person to entertain themselves with. And the gay groups need to grow up and quit pouting every time somebody doesn't like their lifestyle.

  • All are treated equally
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    Nelson,

    "Free speech Most certainly but there is a time and a place where even the harshest of criticism needs to be tempered with decency and respect for others. Some public officials fail to recognize the meaning of the word propriety."

    There is a time and place when civility and respect for others accomplishes nothing.

    This is one of those times!

    The reason why the pro-same sex marriage crowd have gained a foothold is because civilized people have played nice and look at where it got us. With those who don't understand the fundamental principles of a republic arguing that a majority doesn't have a right to define an institution it created but we do.

    We don't have to change the definition of marriage to include something instead all we need to do is provide equal protection under the law which we are doing. Regardless of your gender, race, orientation or belief we have the same opportunity to marry a person of the opposite sex.

    This is no different than a 20 year old wanting to be a U.S. Senator. They like everyone else can be a Senator when they turn 30.

  • Is Utah a real place?
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    Roger Carrier, you're absolutely right. The real problem, however, is that it's just PR, designed to obfuscate the true positions of the institution - which is that gays are sub-human and not entitled to equal protection under the law. One can only run from the truth so far before it catches up.

  • JOHN
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:22 p.m.

    Buttars for President in 2012. Then he can stops the gays, stop the blacks, and stop all non christians in their tracks. I thought we had made progress as a nation our first african-american president but then Buttars opens his mouth and I realize things haven't changed we might as well be back in the 60's. My guess is buttars was against the Civil Rights movement. Does anyone know his stand back then if so please share

  • Gay & Conservative
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    Ran out of space. Also, to the person who claimed that Greco-Roman Civilization fell after it accepted homosexuality, you obviously need to go reread your history books or buy a good historical atlas. During the time period when Greco-Roman civilization was at its most accepting of homosexuality (2nd Century BC through 2nd Century AD) First Greece and then the Roman Empire were at their heights. Rome did not begin to fall apart until it became overwhelmingly Christian. By the time the Western Roman Empire fell the Church had already succeeded in having homosexuality forbidden by law in the Roman world and it was even punishable by death. It is only a coincidence that Christianity rose as Rome fell. But homosexuality was only accepted in Roman Society during its pagan heights. Also, don't forget that in Ancient Athens, they credited a gay couple - Harmodios & Aristogiton - with creating their democracy. Historically homosexuality coincides with the best a civilization has to offer, while hatred and bigotry tend to coincide with periods of decline and fall, not the other way around.

  • Waddoups needs to go, too!
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    This just reiterates my belief that Waddoups needs to go, too! He's quoted as saying, "Now Senator Buttars will be more at ease in saying how he personally feels". HUH!? Does this mean that Buttars has been "sugar coating" things. My, My, I can't wait until he "feels more at ease" so that he can REALLY tell us how he feels!!! WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT!! Didn't Buttars already lose his "chairmanships" before---over the "this thing is black" comment? Well, how did he get those chairmanships back??? Waddoups reinstated him, of course. The Utah State Legislature is a JOKE with leadership like Waddoups. Until we the voters can weed out guys like Waddoups and Buttars, they will just continue to be a "Black Eye" ("this thing is Black!") to a "Pretty, Great, State!"

  • The Truth From An Insider
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:29 p.m.

    How easily the media twists and turns until bloggers form opinions from half truths and believe exactly what they want you to believe. The truth is that this interview happened over a year ago and the media has been sitting on it until the right moment to spring it on the public. Apparently the time is right -now that three bills in this regard have been stopped by the Utah Legislature. Additionally, the interview has been clipped and spliced to feed the public enough to sway their opinion. Demand the full transcript or search for it on the internet and it is not available. These comments were taken out of context, but reflect the views of someone that is not tactful but truthful. Chris has been opposed to legislation in this regard and has been the key player to stop it for years and because of this he is hated by those in the homosexual community. They have targeted him and he and his family have received threats at home. He has seen the devastating effects to society of this behavior at the Boy's Ranch. He is a good man -well respected in his community and by his peers.

  • John
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    Buttars was right!

    Notice that Sen. Buttars' comments were made during an INTERVIEW, responding to questions on the topic.

    This was probably a typical liberal media ambush, and then carefully edited to make it look even worse.

    Good on Buttars for stating his beliefs and not being the typical politician who would tell people whatever he thought they wanted to hear.

    Political correctness and the hateful left are killing this country.

  • free speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    The good news about America is we are all free to speak our minds and unfortunately that freedom also allows for people to have whomever as a partner. I don't know Buttars and I don't know much about our legislature, I should get more involved; but I do know that we are all free to ignore another person's opinion and we all have power within us to think our own thoughts, and nobody can make us mad ----this we do of our own will. Nobody on the earth has the right to be mad or angry----life is too short to make a fuss over another's comments. I also believe the Bible that says our bodies are not our own----they are a temple and given to us temporarily, but they can be taken back. May we all lighten up and realize life is too short to ever be offended. We all need healing and I recommend reading the good book to free from hate, sin and anger.

  • Mind your own districts business
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    Snoop,

    "So school administrators, teachers and counselors can say what ever they want without repercussions. MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!"

    School administrators, teachers and counselors are not the duly elected representative of those who voted for them. They are employees of the state or in other words an employee of the people who were responsible for electing their representatives. It is the duty of those officials and administrators to sanction each other. That role cannot be held by those who have no say in Buttars election.

    "Remember there are not conseqences or accountability."

    Buttars is accountable to those who elected him and not to you or the guy down the street who happens to represent you in the same legislative body as Buttars.

    "Right on, what a great state we live in!"

    You would be more at home in a state where you are King and Lord over all and your vote and opinion is the only one that matters. You could always start a island Kingdom where you can grant your subjects the right to elect representatives but whenever you choose you can always say "I'm sorry about that but I hereby hold your representatives accountable for doing what you want."

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    Neocons are hilarious!
    One moment they are slamming political correctness -he next moment they are slamming every one else!

    LOL!

  • reply: free thinker
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    Mr free thinker - all I can say is full moon - empty head. Remember that far side cartoon? You call Utah regressive. You would also call some of our great and bold leaders of the past (Washington, Jefferson, T. Roosevelt, etc..) also regressive. Emerson wrote an essay entitled "Self Reliance" where he suggested that we should never apologize for our principles and beliefs rather we should "speak words as hard as cannon balls". America was not made by the spineless liberals we are surrounded by today (yourself included). Buttars did not physical harm to anyone nor did he say he hated gays only that the gay life style is poisonous - which it is. He also stated (correctly) that with his experience gays were mean spirited (remember the aftermath of prop 8 in California). Buttars need not apologize for anything. It is the spineless , politically correct cowards in Utah that need to apologize.

  • The Rock
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    Sticks and Stones can break bones. Names only hurt if you let them.

    If people don't return to that age old bit of wisdom we will lose our right to free speech.

  • My guess is that you are racist
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    JOHN,

    "Buttars for President in 2012. Then he can stops the gays, stop the blacks, and stop all non christians in their tracks. I thought we had made progress as a nation our first african-american president but then Buttars opens his mouth and I realize things haven't changed we might as well be back in the 60's. My guess is buttars was against the Civil Rights movement. Does anyone know his stand back then if so please share"

    As a black liberal who opposes same-sex marriage I have had it with your insulting what blacks went through. Gay marriage has nothing to do with the civil rights movement or the election of Barack Obama who I voted for. It is time for you to stop with your racist bull and admit to the fact that you will scoop to using anything to advance your own agenda and the civil rights movement means nothing to you except to the extant that it will benefit you.

    Buttars comments implying black babies are ugly offended me and I believe that he should have been censured because his comments were made on the floor of the Senate.

  • Brutus
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:48 p.m.

    Ahh, I see that some of our modern day Sadducees and Pharisees have finally succeded in surrounding the villainous Buttars and are ready for the execution. Although he may have spoken an eternal truth, we know he is guilty of a far more weighty matter. He spoke with political incorrectness, making his statement inexcussable and we will not tolerate it. On with the games and execution fellow citizens. Hail to Caesar!!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:51 p.m.

    Though I can't prove this, I'll bet ya Buttars is one of Rush Limbaugh's biggest fans.

    LOL!

  • Pure Science
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:56 p.m.

    Lets get homosexuals classified where they really should be based on there explanations that they were born that way. If it is a brain issue or a chromosome that is making them homosexuals then they are not normal. It is a small percentage of the population. This means that they are handicapped. Just like being born deaf or blind. They already have rights because of this handicapped and they can quit fighting for marraige because everyone know they are not normal.

  • KF
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:58 p.m.

    I highly recommend that everyone read the actual transcript of what he actually said - not just the soundbites. Easy to find on google. He even goes into detail as to how he as a Bishop handled gay people. It is quite enlightening. It is a complete stereotype-filled rant that as a straight Mormom, I am apalled and offended by.

  • Dixie Dan
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:00 p.m.

    I wonder what would have happened to Buttars if he was a Democrat?

  • bjj
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:05 p.m.

    I wonder about this reed Cowan bunch who went to his office and solicited his comments and then run to the media . Sen. Butters was told that he could review the tapes before they were published. Cowan then proceeds to make it known to the public without telling him. Even if his words were harsh to some, he has the right to express his views. He has never denied his opinions about this. To me Reed Cowan's actions are every bit as dispicable.

  • Cora
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:06 p.m.

    So sad. I guess this Buttars guy just gave permission to more rabid haters to hang a couple of young gays on a fence this weekend.
    This kind of hate feeds the like minds of the hicks that can't or don't want to accept people as God put them on earth as.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:07 p.m.

    We need statesmen in the legislature.
    Not more nasty Limbaugh impersonators.

  • To the fake liberals
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    Why should the votes of the majority of 9 justices prevail over the vote of the majority of 100 Senators and 435 U.S. Representatives. When you throw in the President we begin to see why the un-democratic and un-republican (as in "republic") belief that Courts should be the final arbiter of our constitutional rights is wrong.

    Take slavery and Lincoln's and the U.S. Congress's opposition to slavery. The Civil War really started because of the Supreme Court ruling that slavery was CONSTITUTIONAL and couldnt be interfered with by the legislature and President even though the President and Congress had unsuccessfully tried to abolish it. Many other countries had ended slavery peacefully but the Supreme Court had stepped in and that made it impossible for us to settle it without a war.

    A fundamental principle of liberalism is that the people should decide and that in the long run they will make the right decision. The Courts have consistently obstructed progressive values ranging from voting rights to clean air and water, 40 hour work week, and safe food. If you can't convince the majority that you are right then you shouldn't prevail.

  • Apologies
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:10 p.m.

    As a Mormon, I want to apologize to my friends in the gay community. What Buttars and others say is a shame, inexcusable, and in coming years their statements will come back to haunt them and condemn them. Even if one has personal reservations toward homosexuality, it is vicious to express such hatred toward fellow human beings. This is not what the Gospel and our Church leaders teach us. Buttars is an embarrassment for the Church worldwide.

  • Surprised in Salt Lake
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:12 p.m.

    I find the number of people on this message board comparing Buttars to Christ very surprising. If you're that far off the mark as to His teachings, it really makes me think you're not Christians at all.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    To the free speech advocates:
    1. Opposing gay rights and equating gays with radical muslims are two different things.

    2. Free speech has consquences, but when you're a public official you have to be careful what you say. They are some things a public servant says that shouldn't be protected speech--this hateful bile has to be one of them.

  • This is so "gay".
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    I crack myself up.

  • They would still insult him
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Dixie Dan,

    "I wonder what would have happened to Buttars if he was a Democrat?"

    If no one knew then it would probably be the same thing that has happened to me which is attacks and insults. The idea that the majority has no right to make such fundamental decisions is contrary to what liberalism is about. Real liberals trust that the people will make the right decisions and don't need overlords to make those decisions for us.

    I happen to oppose same-sex marriage but I'm only attacked by those who profess to be liberal and to have progressive values. The reality is that those who advocate same-sex marriage whether liberal or conservative have allowed the issue to cloud their judgment. Does any liberal in their right mind really believe that 3 justices on the California Supreme Court have a right to repeatedly overrule the majority of California? Thats not the kind of equality that liberalism advocates which is that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. Why should a handful of people claim the right to overrule millions. Not just once either!

  • cp
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:18 p.m.

    It's nice that Waddoups gets behind Buttars all foursquarelike.

    Seems a little gay.

    (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

  • to Your vote based on stupid mor
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:18 p.m.

    Ditto - I agree 100% ,thank you

    I just wish more people, when confronted with bumper-sticker slogans that feel good but that have no substance., would respond with such logical and reasonable arguments.

    The passing of any law is in some form or another, "forcing" one group of peoples values/morals/belief/opinions on others.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    He sounds like McCarthy in the 1950's!

  • Free speech was for Parliaments
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:23 p.m.


    Anonymous | 2:13 p.m. Feb. 20, 2009

    To the free speech advocates:
    1. Opposing gay rights and equating gays with radical muslims are two different things.

    "2. Free speech has consquences, but when you're a public official you have to be careful what you say. They are some things a public servant says that shouldn't be protected speech--this hateful bile has to be one of them."

    Actually, what a legislator says during a debate in the legislature is actually more protected by the Constitution then mere "freedom of speech." There's a reason for that. While this wasn't said during a debate of the Utah Senate it has at minimum the same protection as other speech exercised by people.

    The U.S. Constitution clearly states "They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place."

    As you can see "freedom of speech" (Magna Carta) was intended for Parliament/Congress.

  • Two faces? More??
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:23 p.m.

    T-shirt seen on Senator Buttars:
    Since he tells one group of people one thing and yet another elsewhere...

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    I'm scizophrenic
    And so am I

  • Buttars is Gay
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:25 p.m.

    I think he thus protests too much.

  • GWB
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    Dixie Dan, If Buttars was a Democrat he wouldn't say such bigoted and unenlightened things.

    After all, I don't read about Democrats making outrageous statements.

  • Vicky
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:30 p.m.

    It makes me so sad to see that no one in UT understands what really constitutes freedom of speech. Does it mean you can say anything you want to without consequence? Of course not! If so, I implore you to go to the airport and say the word bomb. You can't say it without getting detained, and it's not a denial of freedom of speech.

    Freedom of speech means you can say it, but there may be consequences. Especially for a public official. He represents us (though I don't live in South Jordan) because he is a spokesman in the legislature. My tax dollars pay his salary and I find what he said to be offensive.

    LDS of all people should understand this concept. Agency is not free, because you can't escape or choose the consequences of your actions. And seeing as this is the third offense I've heard from him since I moved to UT in 2007, I'd say the punishment is apropos.

  • They are twisting Constitution
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    Re: "to Your vote based on stupid morals,"

    "I just wish more people, when confronted with bumper-sticker slogans that feel good but that have no substance., would respond with such logical and reasonable arguments."

    It's pathetic that someone would assert that a vote is invalid based on the reason the person cast the vote. As a liberal I am outraged at such stupidity from those who profess to be liberals/progressives.

    "The passing of any law is in some form or another, "forcing" one group of peoples values/morals/belief/opinions on others."

    Of course it is!

    Every law including the very Constitution which governs us is the result of one group forcing its values, morals, beliefs, and opinions on others. To suggest that those advocating same-sex marriage are not forcing their beliefs on others is ignorant.

    When we remove this issue from the terms of rights as some wrongly claim it to be we realize their argument is that the majority has no freedom to make the law unless the minority agrees. They go from the majority not harming them and granting equal protection UNDER law to the majority having to enact law X.

  • Agreed....
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    Re: dj | 9:46 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009

    "Sen. Buttars needs to take a class on how to be tactful."

    Other than that, he is entitled to his opinions and views.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    @ RESIGN - NOT BUTTARS:

    Ah, so then the Constitution only applies to heterosexuals?

  • OMG!
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:35 p.m.

    One more reason to stay out of Utah...who are you people???

    Steve in Minnesota

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    How does the church feel about Mr Buttars?

    From the outset, the Churchs position has always been to engage in civil and respectful dialogue on this issue. Senator Buttars does not speak for the Church.

  • Dutch
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    Buttars is not an offcial spokesman for the LDS Church if he is I didnt hear about it. There has been no offical word from the church and franky those that want one will not get it becasue if a statement from the church came out condeming what was said then all of the other side would be ranting about the involvement of the church, Lets leave the church out of this and simply state - what was said was wrong and unbecoming a senior senator but legally unless he resigns there is no process to get rid of him.

    What I hope is the senate commitees will reconsider those equality bills again with out the conflict of interest personality involved - I am not in favor of same sex nuptials but am in favor of equal rights those bills recommended.

  • To EA @ 1:02
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    What about Buttars values taking over society?
    You wierdo neocons sure overuse the heck out of the word "values"
    And why is everything for/against "the children"
    MikeyMike

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    @ DJ, who said:

    "Marriage in its traditional sense is a contract between people of different genders and always has been. If Gay people want to enter into a civil union and call it marriage then go for it but to toss 4000 years of proper social tradition down the toilet to appease a vocal minority is just outright wrong."

    Excuse me, but until WELL into the 19th century, the Western definition of marriage was one man, one woman, and assorted mistresses/lovers on the side, as long as the principal couple produced "an heir and a spare."

    Women were chattels ... that's the whole POINT of "who giveth this woman to be married to this man?"

    Tradition is no excuse to write BIGOTRY into SECULAR law.

  • Repressed memories?
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:40 p.m.

    Pure Science,

    "Lets get homosexuals classified where they really should be based on there explanations that they were born that way."

    Homosexuality is a mental illness whether inherited or caused by environmental factors but it doesn't really matter what causes those who are gay to suffer from this mental illness anymore than it matters why people suffer from other illnesses. We treat the illness if they choose to be treated but if they don't we have no obligation to humor them or call their mental illness normal or promote it.

    "If it is a brain issue or a chromosome that is making them homosexuals then they are not normal. It is a small percentage of the population."

    The percentage of the population that is homosexual is closely connected to the percentage of children who have been sexually abused by people of the same sex. The percentage of pedophiles who target boys is closely connected to the percentage of gays the following generation. The interesting thing is that many victims of sexual abuse report not remembering that they were victims so that number could be even higher. Facts indicate they were abused but they deny it!

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:40 p.m.

    @ FREE SPEECH, who said:

    "Or, is that something that can only be done if you are gay, lesbian, or whatever?"

    WHATEVERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

    YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR AMBISEXUALITY!

  • N. Van Horn
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:42 p.m.

    It is ridiculous how the gay population will condemn a senator for expresssing a belief about them and then have other people jumping up and down about it. It not necessarily that the gay population but the fuss that is made about it. I support him when he says to the request to apologize to the gays, "Well, they ain't gonna get one." He shouldn't have to apologize for his beliefs. This it looks like it will be part of a series of harrassments against of people who stand up for their beliefs against homosexuality.

  • Frederick
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:43 p.m.

    To all. I am a gay man. I am also African-American.
    I exist here well-enough, though this will never be mistaken for my hometown of Atlanta.
    I have not come out while here, as I too fear Mormons and the hate-filled heat they are showing here.
    I honestly don't know who'm I fear more..Senator Buttars or the Grand Wizard of the KKK.
    And I speak truthfully here.
    F

  • David O
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:44 p.m.

    Buttars level of disdain for gays is similar to Larry Craig's, the Senator busted for soliciting action in an airport restroom.

  • Queen
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:46 p.m.

    Everyone knows the biggest threat to this country is radical islam, followed closely by runaway liberalism. Gays are mostly harmless.

  • Nick@UU
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:50 p.m.

    Ideology is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

  • Linus
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:50 p.m.

    Congratulation to all of you brilliant constitutionalists! Don't you know that "free speech with consequences" is not free speech at all! You sound like Hitler! Nazi's enforced the consequences of catching anyone engaged in "irresponsible" free speech. America is in the crapper, thanks to the crumbling (personal interpretation) of Constitutional law!

  • Moessers
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    The sad thing is if this was 1976, and Buttars made pro blacks shouldn't be having the priesthood comments... the religious idealogues on here would all be chiming in saying, "That's right! Blacks having the priesthood is wrong! God said so! It'll never happen! How dare those blacks try to get the priesthood! What's the problem with what he said!?"

    Buttars is of an archiac mindset, unfortunately, like so many other Utahns. The wonderful thing is, that no matter how hard people like Buttars kick and scream and throw their tantrums, society moves forward, gays and lesbians are being recognized as human beings like everyone else and are gaining their God given rights to live their lives that have so long been oppressed by man.


  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:52 p.m.


    Another black mark against the perception of Utah.
    With a capital "B" -

    BIGOTRY

  • tigerlily
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    if the gay rights people can say what they want buttars can say what he wants. we all have the right to free speech

  • Peter N. Mybum
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:56 p.m.

    I think it is a major step in the right direction that they did anything to Buttars. As a gay man I didn't think they would do anything to him at all. Maybe Utah is finally coming around.

  • RE: My guess | 1:47
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:58 p.m.

    You wrote: "Gay marriage has nothing to do with the civil rights movement..."

    Here are some comments for you from Coretta Scott King:

    On April 1, 1998 at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, King called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."

    November 2003: "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. ... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."

  • Jumipin' jack
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    Please people relax. The "Is Steamed" Senator Buttars is not to blame, he has no control over his rants. It's a genetic condition. He as born with an Extra Stupid gene. There is no known cure.

  • To the future State Senator
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    Vicky,

    "It makes me so sad to see that no one in UT understands what really constitutes freedom of speech."

    You need to look in the mirror since you are the one who doesn't understand what really constitutes freedom of speech.

    "Does it mean you can say anything you want to without consequence?"

    There's a difference between stating your opinion and yelling fire in a crowded theater or saying "I have a bomb" on an airplane.

    "Especially for a public official. He represents us (though I don't live in South Jordan) because he is a spokesman in the legislature. My tax dollars pay his salary and I find what he said to be offensive."

    Actually, his constituents tax dollars pay for his salary and until your representative votes to let them not pay pay taxes you and the guy down the street who represents you can mind your own damn business. Let's not forget that my tax dollars also pays for the idiot who represents you and some day it may even pay your salary if your idiot neighbors elect you to represent them. Now why don't you shut up or provide evidence!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:04 p.m.

    Makes you wonder if ALL LDS are as bigoted as Buttars.

  • You are right
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:11 p.m.

    Linus,

    "Congratulation to all of you brilliant constitutionalists! Don't you know that "free speech with consequences" is not free speech at all!"

    No they don't know that. They don't understand that freedom of speech means the freedom to express your opinion without fear.

    If Buttars is punished for his comments that will have a chilling impact on any state legislator who would dare to speak their mind about homosexuality for fear that their constituents would be denied a person to speak for them.

    "You sound like Hitler! Nazi's enforced the consequences of catching anyone engaged in "irresponsible" free speech. America is in the crapper,"

    That's because these people are basically Nazi's at heart. They claim their ideology to be liberal but as a liberal I don't support or condone their posts since it proves to me that they don't accept even the most basic principles of liberalism which is that the people can be trusted to do the right thing. Yet these people have become so used to not having to debate or convince others to agree with them when they can brandy about the word "right" so that its meaningless.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    @ WOW, who said:

    "Why is he being called to resign when radical members of the gay community have never been called upon to apologize for terrorist threats, boycotts, and demonstrations? If you are going to extend 'free speech' to one group, then don't deny it to another."

    True. Let's talk about the death threats, blackmail letters, demonstrations, etc. carried out by the PRO PROP HATE campaign BEFORE the election.

    I think most of the above activities supposedly committed by the gay community are probably self-inflicted by the Kristianist Reich (sic). It wouldn't be the first time.

    Gays? TERRORISTS? Heck, we can't agree even what shade of lavender to paint the Community Center (chuckle).

    And thanks, BTW, for waking up a somnolent and apolitical gay community. The Mormon "church's" actions on Prop Hate (sic) have galvanized us like nothing since the Stonewall Riots.

    Don't look for us to go back into our closets anytime in THIS life. Hopefully our closets in the NEXT life will be filled with DIVINE silk gowns and gold wings .

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:17 p.m.

    The Great Hate State of Utah.

  • Marvin Wharton
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:17 p.m.

    My hat off to Senator Buttars for having the courage to speak what is RIGHT.
    Thank you Sir for representing Utah like a man.

  • @Linus 2:50
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:18 p.m.

    Actually, free speech IS speech with consequences. A person, within reasonable limites (don't call "fire) in a crowded theater unless there's really a fire) is free to say what s/he wishes. That does not, however, preclude other people (within the same reasonable limites) from being free to express their disagreement/disgust with what that person has said. That includes the type of criticism and demands levelled against Buttars. Butters broved himself to be a bigoted fool, and people properly reacted to it. That's what free speech is all about.

  • JOHN
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:20 p.m.

    To My guess is that you are racist @1:47 This is JOHN @1:22 I am sorry that my comments bothered you. I didn't mean them in a hurtful way toward anyone but Sen. Buttars.

  • All blacks think same? Racist!
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:24 p.m.

    TO: "RE: My guess at 1:47,"

    You wrote: "Gay marriage has nothing to do with the civil rights movement..."

    "Here are some comments for you from Coretta Scott King:"

    Hey racist, here's a news flash for you Coretta Scott King doesn't speak for all black people or did you think that all blacks are mindless drones with one mind? Did you know that Jesse Jackson who was a personal friend of Martin Luther King said "Gays were never called three-fifths of a person in
    the Constitution...and they did not require the Voting Rights Act to have the right to vote." I love it when you people try to use a prominent black person to support your agenda. After all you have your token black man or token black woman and that's all you need. Isn't it?

    Personally, your entire post is offensive and I say that as an individual black man who is just as able to have an opinion of his own differing from that of Coretta Scott King's as a white man has the right to have an opinion that differs from Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi. Grow up!

  • Buttars Sucks
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:25 p.m.

    People wonder why Utah has a national reputation for being a closed minded state and an overall joke. This perception probably has something to do with Utahns supporting and voting for someone like Buttars. Look who is representing us! I am all about free speech, but someone like Buttars probably belongs on a golf course somewhere far from the rest of humanity, not in Utah politics.

  • Where's the Illness?
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:25 p.m.

    So many of you have said or believe that homosexuals are mentally ill and they should be classified as such. But I have to ask, "Where's the illness?"

    No more than the population at large, homosexuals aren't psycotic, neurotic or even any more disfunctional than their straight counterparts.

    The only "illness" they may have is being on the opposite side of your religion and its dogmatic prejudice towards homosexuals. In this case, it would certainly be very safe to say that the illness does not lie with the homosexual, but with the ignorant, dogmatic, theists who incessantly demand that gays are sick, evil corruptors of society.

    From my point of view, the real threat to our society are not the "sick" homosexuals, but the hateful and ignorant theists with their agenda of prejudice and discrimination.

  • Jason Rawlins
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:29 p.m.

    Uh, is everyone else as amused (not really) by the name, "Peter N. Mybum" intentionally used above. Come on, have some decorum!

    Incidentally, homophobia is a clever marketing ploy to beat down any opposition by those who disagree with the immorality of homosexual behaviors. It's clearly becoming the sacrament of those who care about their narrow and dangerous political agenda.

    Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy for her own purposes to support herself. How much do gay rights activist organizations contribute to her organization? She fails to understand that trying to stand for everything in the end means one stands for nothing.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:29 p.m.

    Dear Marvin,

    If bigotry is what you consider 'manly' then I'd hate to know what other definitons you hold to be true.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    In reading C Buttars transcript, he states, "...Affrimative action. Now we proved it don't work. Well here it is, in Utah, right now on the docket. They give the gays privilege in hiring and employment. so it doesn't matter if I'm the most skilled. You get the job. Now I've told them that will never pass in Utah because all we'll do is prove that that don't work. But there they're after it and they're pushing it hard."



    This is what he took from the anti-discrimination bill that would keep gays from being fired for just being gay.


    Is anyone listening to this man?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    WAKE UP people in Utah! Your senator is being condemned and for what? Speaking the truth?! Should we all have the courage to stand up and speak the truth. The gay community wants an apology. For what? Because they are offended?! The gay and lesbian community should issue an apology to the LDS Church and the people of California for destroying property and targeting the people who voted for Prop 8. They have put together a HIT LIST of all of us who donated to Prop 8 and have listed it on Google Map so they can see our address, work address and amount donated. It makes it easier for them to terrorize people this way. If this were being done to them, you can bet they would have another lawsuit started for discrimination and racism and bigotry! They can't see they are the POSTER CHILDREN of discrimination, racism and bigotry! The definition of marriage isn't the only thing on their hidden agenda. The FAMILY is next! Don't believe me? Do your homework! You all better wake up and have the courage to say ENOUGH or you will be just like California.

  • BG
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:34 p.m.

    Mr. Buttars doesn't have the psychological mindset, to effectively perform - as an elected offical. He can be compared to, a fish out of water, or conversely, a man - in over his head! His black and white, simplistic thought process/view of the world, is inadequate, rudimentry and destructive to both himself/constituency; however, and sadly, his outward foolishness/ignorance of expression, mirror, what many of his colleages - are thinking! That's an alarming/disturbing reality, for me! There are others, with the same illness of bigotry/ limited intellectual capacity, who sit beside him, in seats of power, trust and responsibility! These more sophisticated, devious, political operatives/ backroom manipulators, are more discrete, than the simple minded Mr. Buttars - but just as vile/ dangerous!

    Personally, I'm not comfortable, with the gay lifestyle, but these people, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, parents and relatives of all kinds, are human beings, with wants/needs - just like straight folks! Equality, fairness and respect for all, should be an expected norm - from State Government! Equality/rights, should never be contingent upon, lifestyle acceptance, or one's view, of morality! What kind of morality, supersedes equality/rights, under the rule of law?

  • To Marv @3:17
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:35 p.m.

    You must not be Marvin, but Sen Buttars himself writing in.
    He is NOT representing Utah like "a man".
    He is representing Utah like a hate-filled, uninformed bigot. Huge difference.
    MikeyMike

  • Michael B.
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:39 p.m.

    I am truly amazed at the ant-like and/or sheep-like backing of Buttars by Mormons.
    You people condone this type of tirade?
    You think he is RIGHT?
    Wow, do YOU have some damage control ahead of you.
    More than usual.
    There is NOTHING Christian about the likes of you.

  • Stop comparing to C.R. movement
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:44 p.m.

    JOHN,

    "To My guess is that you are racist @1:47 This is JOHN @1:22 I am sorry that my comments bothered you. I didn't mean them in a hurtful way toward anyone but Sen. Buttars."

    The problem you have is that you choose to say things that offend others and expect others to be okay with it. Why those who think its okay to use the civil rights movement to their own political advantage think its okay to do so is beyond me.

    I am sick and damn tired of hearing how being denied marriage is equal to slavery, beatings, segregation, not having a right to vote, being denied the opportunity to eat at the same restaurant or drink from the same water fountains and being hosed down and having attack dogs released on you and your children is comparable. It's not. It's time for same-sex marriage activists to admit that this isn't an issue of rights but what they want. As soon as they do that we can talk about what we can do to give them what they want and find common ground. Until then they are offensive jerks

  • Dick Browne
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    I find Buttars tirade and all who support him to be most un Christian.
    Who would have thought so, especially in Utah.

  • DRD
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    I have known Chris Buttars since JR High - It was good to see you at the HS reunion.

    Way to go I support you and your statement 1000%.
    If I now lived in Utah I would definitely vote for you.

    Keep up the good work Chris the people in your voting district support you as do most of the state of Utah.

    Is it true that you were set up by a gay/homosexual film maker to speak your feelings/beliefs?

    Why don't all of the homosexuals go some place and build a city like Sodom & then the same thing
    could maybe happen to them as it did in the days of Lott.

    Oh my gosh I spoke my feelings/belief what a bad man am I.

  • Shocked
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:46 p.m.

    I am truly shocked that the gay community can ask for an apology when they fight like h3!! for freedom of Speech - yet, they issue comments of hatred against the Catholic and LDS Church's because they lost the vote in California. QUIT WHINING! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL FOLKS!

    This is plain and simple FREE SPEECH and anyone who tries to stop it is a hypocritical whining fool!

  • @All Blacks | 3:24
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    I'm the person that posted the comments from Coretta Scott King.

    I did not say that "All blacks think the same." Since you and I have different opinions - obviously they don't. Think about that.

  • Stop it already jerkoff
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    Jason Rawlins,

    "Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy for her own purposes to support herself. How much do gay rights activist organizations contribute to her organization? She fails to understand that trying to stand for everything in the end means one stands for nothing."

    While I agree with your position regarding same-sex marriage I'm outraged that you belittle the memory of Coretta Scott King by assuming shes still alive. She died and it is wrong for you to refer to her as if she was still living.

    Show some respect for those who are no longer with us by having the decency to refer to them in the past tense instead of trying to use them for your own political points. You are as bad as those who are using her to make the point that gay marriage is a right. While she may have agreed with them it is wrong to resort to the words of those who are gone and to bring dishonor to their good names regardless of the flaws of their opinions. Martin Luther King said many offensive things but it would be wrong to bring him into this issue.

  • Michaelitos
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:49 p.m.

    @Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    You stated, "Tradition is no excuse to write BIGOTRY into SECULAR law."

    To which law are you referring? I know of no law that actually calls for bigotry. In fact, I only know of laws that protect from such actions.

    Now, if you are referring to the fact that under the law only members of the opposite sex can marry, that's actually not bigotry. Bigotry is, at its core intolerance. Last time I checked, America (and Utah) still "tolerates" relationships other than a strict pairing of members of the opposite sex. Therefore, it's not bigotry.

    Furthermore, all citizens are allowed to vote their conscience at the ballot box, and there is no restriction stating that votes and opinions have to be based in secularism or religion. Perhaps you are playing the role of bigot by being intolerant of those with beliefs and values that are different from your own?

  • Holy Hyperbole Batman!
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    Unfortunately, this topic touches such raw nerves on both sides that any hope of rational thought from either view seems to be beyond reach.

    My two irrational cents:
    While Sen. Buttars words are harsh and uneloquent, he has broken no law, spoken no slander of any individual and he has every right (admittedly not wisely used) to say what he wants. Just like his opposition has the right to characterize my state and church as haters. I don't agree completely with Mr. Buttars or his opponents but I'm sure grateful he and those that oppose him have the right to freely express them. Any consequences should come from those to whom he is accountable. It is easy in this day of moral relativism, to stand in judgement of others and declare them less worthy or less credible because we don't like what we hear... I think it arrogant and small minded to dismiss those we don't agree with as less worthy of an opinion. I myself am far too unwise and erred to worry about judging others, I know what I believe and what I think is right, but I'm no better than anyone else.

  • Free speech right on!!!!!
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    I am for free speech. He is entitled to express himself. If those who voted him in don't like what he is representing, they can vote him out. I think this is the United States. The Gay Lesbian community is ready to denounce anybody who doesn't agree with them and they seem to get away with it.

  • Jon B. Holbrook
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    I was disappointed in the action taken by Senator Waddoups. He gave into the militant gay movement which has an objective of intimidating its opposition into silence. When Chris Buttars gave that interview, it was in confidence in his office and not on the Senate floor. The people preparing the documentary were not honest either. The producers are sympathetic to the gay-rights agenda. The real target is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

  • To Jason Rawlings
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    "Coretta Scott King is exploiting her father's legacy for her own purposes to support herself."


    Sorry. Coretta Scott King was MARRIED to Martin Luther King.

  • KF
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    Here's a priceless quote directly from Senator Buttars' interview:

    "They say Im born that way. There is some truth to that, in that some people are born with an attraction to alcohol. One drink and youre gone. But if someone tells you, or you have gay marriage and weve got two mommies and no daddies, they grow up believing thats okay. And they say well we dont indoctrinate our kids. Well my goodness. I mean call me stupid but if youre living with those people and you love them, then youre going to figure thats okay."

    THOSE PEOPLE? Priceless.

  • Helen Waite
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    I hope all the Good L.D.S. members who have said such mean and hateful Remarks on here will remember Jesus sais,'Judge not and be not judged" Weather you agree or disagree with what Chris Buttars said lets not preach HAte and Intolerance, Gay or Straight we are all sons and daughters of God, Please remember that as you are waiting to be translated due to your perfection, you may be surprised when you are judged in the end....
    Not all L.D.S. Members are so Judgmental and Self Rightous its down right embarrassing..

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:59 p.m.

    I am DEEPLY offended by those who call liberals and gays "nazis." If you Google "pink triangle," you will find that Hitler tested the ovens at Auschwitz on gay people before he went after the Jews. The NY Times at the time congratulated him for ridding Germany of moral degenerates.

    THEN Google "Christian Reconstructionism" and "Dominionism" ... the Kristian Reich wants us DEAD. They pay Fred Phelps' bills to have him say what they don't have the courage to say themselves. Google "Godhatesfags" (sorry, that's the name of the site) for HIS take on the subject.

    Of course, HE hates Mormons too. Everybody but his flavor of Baptist is going to hell, including Billy Graham (!).

  • Jack Mo
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    As I follow your politics and never-ending co-mingling of Church/State/Law/Life, I am at once pleased to have left Utah and the LDS church years ago, and sad that my family there will get interrogated by our myriad friends from around the nation/world.

    How in today's day and age can such narrow-mindedness not only exist, but be perpetuated with such lock-step vigor from Mormons?

    I know that the majority of native Utahns (save for Missionaries) have never/will never leave the state.
    Good thing, too. You wouldn't last a week in any other major city. You would be crying and running full-tilt to the nearest means of getting back to your insulated, uncultured, backward, little fortress of a bigoted, hate-filled, holier-than-thou state. I can just hear the gasps of breath as you get off the plane at SLC Int'l.
    DO the rest of the world a favor. Stay there and in-breed yourselves into oblivion.
    The rest of the world laughs at you.
    Jack

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    You Utah Mormon Republicans kill me. You have more zeal for the Republican Party than you do for the church. You support a party that tramples human rights, has an obvious disdain for the underprivileged, and uses labeling, mockery, and cynicism as their only campaign technique. This is not the party of Reagan anymore!! When will you get that through your thick skulls!! The Republican Party uses Christianity as a political weapon while systematically abandoning its principles! Yes they hate Mormons, because they hate everyone except those who think just like they do in EVERYTHING. The party of zero tolerance has become an absolute train wreck, and all of you so-called Saints who buy into the policies of such hate mongers should be ashamed. The tired and mean spiritedness of this party is anything but Christian. BTW, I am not referring to redefining marriage, (I am for prop 8). I am referring to your republican ideals that so blatantly favor "the elect" and trample "the least of these". What's wrong with giving legal rights to gays? Look at this board, and see what you've become! The party of HATE! So why do you claim to be Christian?????

  • To Dick Browne
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:04 p.m.

    Are you Peter N. Mybum's cousin?

  • Vicky
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:12 p.m.

    Linus: There is a big difference between saying something and having the government lock you away for saying it and having the people that pay your salary ask you to no longer represent them. Interesting that you claim I'm a Nazi, when Buttars works for the government to begin with. Why would they lock up one of their own?

    As I recall, after Tom Hanks slandered the Mormons a few months ago, most people on this blog said they would not support his career by no longer seeing his movies. Why is that form of reaction to free speech allowed, but Buttars can't be asked to step down?

    Oh I know why....because you ARE Mormon but you are NOT gay. Well so am I. So what's your point?

  • Perspective
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:13 p.m.

    Let's keep it real people. What he said was stupid, but they were only words. At least Mormons don't stone homosexuals to death, like a certain other religion that nobody is allowed to talk about anymore. Does that make what he said right? No. But it certainly pales in comparison to the way gays are treated in the muslim world. Get a grip.

  • Kum O'nmeface
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    Thanks Sen Buttars. "I don't like what you say, but will defend your right to say it".

  • Re to the future state senator
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    Wow. I share my opinion on what free speech means and you sure go to town on it. You ask me to "shut up or provide evidence" but what evidence did you provide that my tax dollars don't support his salary? You really think the government specifically allocates state revenues like that? Please. Name one person that is employed in bifuracting each person's funds specifically to the person that uses it.

    Thank you for reminding me that I am on the right side of the fence, the side that doesn't believe in name calling, sarcasm, or anger. The side that wishes to have a logical discussion.

    I pity you and your anger management issues.

  • @Jon B. Holbrook | 3:54
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    You wrote: "When Chris Buttars gave that interview, it was in confidence in his office and not on the Senate floor."

    Um - he knew he was being filmed for a documentary. The interview was not conducted under false pretense, he knew that there a documentary film/program was being produced and that he would be part of it. It doesn't matter that it wasn't on the Senate floor - in allowing them to film him in his Senate office, he was therefore speaking as a Utah Senator.

  • To "Batman'
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    You are correct, Caped Crusader, that Senator Buttars has broken no law.
    Well, it is not illegal to be a homosexual either.

    These clowns are putting their wacked-out religious beliefs before law.

    Robin

  • Joanne
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    Thank goodness for the utah senate president. he has the fortitude to stand up for what is right. All the residents in utah should thenk him for his actions. Hooray for you!!!!!!!!

  • RAYMOND H. BURGOON-CLARK
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    @ MARVIN WHARTON, who thanked Sen. Buttars for representing Utah "like a man."

    So, Mr. Wharton, your definition of a "man" begins and ends with his sex-life?

    How sad!

    I am a retired priest. I have buried MANY gay servicemen who DEFINED the word "man." And no, they didn't die of AIDS.

  • Matthew
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    The Mormons have a lot of gall using the name "Jesus Christ" in their Church.
    There is NOTHING Christ-like in the hate-filled writings of Mormons in this column.
    Matt

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    I am gay and proud and I am glad that someone like Buttars gets punished.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    Another quote: "They're alway exaggerating...But they have Gay Pride Day and they said we're twenty-five thousand people. Well that's a lot of people. However some of my friends told me that if you walked around the parking lots, there wasn't hardly any cars from Utah. Wyoming, Idaho and he estimated I don'e think it was half Utahns. But they portrayed it as that ..."



    Hardly any cars from Utah but at least 12,500 people were from Utah (by his friends count). They must have had some really big carpools!

    No exaggeration in his claims, are there?

    Who elected this man?

  • Victoria
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:25 p.m.

    Senator Butters should be removed from the senate altogether. We don't need people like him in government. He is not any better than Hitler was. Yes, people have the right to different opinions, but it is totally unacceptable to be so mean and hateful. It is people like you Senator Butters that scare me. You are the problem.

  • To KF
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    And????? What of it other than you are offended by the truth.

  • To Steve
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:29 p.m.

    Yes, please do stay out of Utah. Wouldn't want this place ruined.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    Men can't have babies without a woman's eggs. A woman can't have babies without a man's sperm. Men desiring men and women desiring women is unnatural affection. In the New Testament of the Bible, to be quite frank the apostle Paul prophesies of the wickedness and corruption of men and women in the last days. Read about it in Romans chapter 1. Pay particular attention to verses 26 to verse 32. People these days think the Bible is a farce but it is correct. Christ did and still does live. Christ was resurrected and what is true hate is the display of these unnatural men and women! Their unnatural affection proves these men hate women and the women hate the men!
    I think Buttars is a true leader and our economy will not get better because of all the corruption and evil that does exist in the hearts of so many men and women in this United States. Good bye prosperity, good bye peace, good bye love, good bye freedom in America and hello hell! Unless this people and these Sodomists repent!

  • Nice
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    Nice Comment Mr or Mrs On Me Face (O'nmeface)

  • From Provo...part one
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    I've been following these comments all day, over several articles, and a couple of things have really struck me. Those who have chosen to bring up Christ & hate rhetoric in the same sentence must have been raised in some other religion. My mormon upbringing (I'm not currently active) taught me that we're all God's children & it's not for us to judge or persecute others. Has "Love One Another" been taken out of the hymnal? There's a very broad line between not agreeing with homosexuality and comparing it to terrorism. No matter how out of context the interview was, that part of Buttars' statement was pretty clear. Making that statement while he's chair of a legislative committee that is deciding if bills dealing with equal rights are even heard by the state senate, while in his senate office, was an incredibly thoughtless act on his part. I don't feel his thoughts were very Christian or humane, but, unfortunately, we've all seen they're supported by many here on the forum. Free speech is like free choice, there are always concequences.

  • Awesome
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    I've never seen anyone stand up to the gay mafia like that. What a breath of fresh air. Wish I could vote for this guy. The actions of the gay rights activists since prop 8 has shown their true colors. They are filled with hate and they are dangerous. They are incredibly intolerant of anyone that doesn't follow their agenda. Speak out against them and see what happens. It's laughable when these people call mormons intolerant. I don't know any mormons that threaten people who say stupid things about the LDS Church, and it happens a lot.

    This little bit from Buttars is priceless.
    Told that the gay community wanted an apology for his comments, he said, "Well, they ain't gonna get one."

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    Aside from first amendment issues, do you really want a guy that thinks, speaks and conducts himself like Butters to be a leader in Utah? I find it quite alarming.

  • To Anonymous at 4:23
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    Lets be honest. I personaly know many Gay and Lesbian (btw, Lesbian is Gay) people. Several are my friends. There is not one who deep down in side is Proud to be Gay. Get to the root of your problem Son.

  • KF
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    To "To KF"

    If the term THOSE PEOPLE doesn't offend you, then you don't understand singling people out. It is an inflammatory statement - one a person uses to make themselves seem superior.

    It may be YOUR truth, it certainly isn't mine. Bigotry takes on many forms and religious zealotry, regardless of the religion (even my own LDS religion) has no place in a society of equals. If you want to see what a theocracy does to a society, go visit the middle east.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:43 p.m.

    Senator Buttars has the right to say what he believes. He doesn't have to apologize to anyone. He didn't say anything other than the fact that the "radical" gay movement is a threat to our society. IT IS!! As a parent of a teenage girl, I have to constantly reinforce traditional values. She is having to go out into a world where anything goes!! It is cool to be bi-sexual or lesbian! And the sad thing is, they only do it to get attention.. Sure looks like the gay community has cornered the market on getting attention!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:44 p.m.

    "Men can't have babies without a woman's eggs. "


    Sorry, men can't have babies even with woman's eggs. Men can't have babies period. Did you ever take a biology class?

  • Deseret Dawg
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:45 p.m.

    God bless Chris Buttars for standing tall for tradition once again and refusing to knuckle under to political correctness.

    This too will pass. After all, even Jesus Christ Himself stumbled and fell as He carried His cross to Calvary, but He picked Himself up and completed His mission. Likewise, so will Chris Buttars.

    Sometimes it is necessary to take a step backward and regroup behind a more defensible perimeter in order to take two steps forward in the future. In the long run, we will prevail.

  • To Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    "In the New Testament of the Bible, to be quite frank the apostle Paul "

    also said that women should have their head covered in church and should not speak.

    How come you don't obey that commandment?

  • Max Powers
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    Look if he wanted to resign he would of done it a long time ago. He will only stay on for 2 more years until he is able to receive health care for life when his legislature tenure is reached. Many do not know this but this is his plan. Until he reaches the years required to be in office to be able to get health care for life he wont be leaving any time soon.

  • @Anonymous 4:41
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:50 p.m.

    "Their unnatural affection proves these men hate women and the women hate the men! "


    I am a gay woman. I do not hate men. That would mean that I hate my father, my brothers, my son and my grandson. I love them all. I have many friends that are male. Most of my friends are the same way.


    Aren't you stretching reality to fit your own truth? Look around you and ask your gay friends if they hate the opposite sex. You might be surprised.

  • sodom and gomorah
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    actually the tired old talk of sodom and gam. referring to homosexuality is ridiculous. Go read the old testament. The men in that city calling for Lot to give up the two angels so they could "know" them doesn't refer to consensual sex between the same gender, it's a reference to rape. That's pretty much what they were doing trying to break the door down. And if Lot knew the men to be homosexual, why would he offer up his daughters to them instead? (hardly a noble act). And the scriptures people refer to concerning homosexuality are weak at best.

    abusers of themselves manKIND (refers to men and women)

    going after strange flesh (references to bestiality)

    I love this reference in Ezekial chapter 16 verse 49 (before and after too)

    49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

    hmmmm...sounds like a few people I know in Utah. Any proud or idle LDS members here? Do you all give to the poor? Sure you're not a sodomite?

  • Some thoughts
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, and by all major world religions. Whoever thinks it is right or normal must be athiest, or they are most likely going against their own religious beliefs. But that doesn't mean that homosexuals should be reviled. We are all children of God. There's a fine line between standing up for what is morally right and being haters and name callers. We as Christians should be find a way to love and serve our fellow homosexuals without approving of their behavior. The hard part is knowing just where that line is.

  • Glad I did
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:53 p.m.

    vote for Buttars in the last election. I admire a man who stands up for what most Utahns believe. He dance around the issues trying to win votes to stay in office.

    Maybe Scott McCoy should be removed from his committees as well for his comments. Oh, I forgot, its ok for gays to say whatever hateful comments that they want. Its freedom of speech. But if your conservative....

  • Waddoups
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    Waddoups has not done enough. He doesn't want to. He's as conservative as Buttars, just a whole lot smarter; he knows when to shut up. Buttars' loose cannon is the biggest threat to Utah right now. Vote him and Waddoups out. They are out of touch with the rest of the world and out of touch with mainstream Utah. We should not support the kind of insensitivity that B & W show. I am a registered Republican, vote Republican, go to church, am raising a family, have plenty of gay friends who I veiw as good and moral people (unlike how Buttars views them) and am not threatened by their lifestyle. Republicans seem intent on ruining our party for the rest of us. Ease up on the social issues or else you are going to lose the battles and the war. This next generation finds no heroes in Utah's Republican Party (except Huntsman). No one looks up to Waddoups with true faith and belief. He's such a shadow figure I don't trust him at all.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    "There is not one who deep down in side is Proud to be Gay."


    Did they all tell you that or are you supposing that they should feel that way?

    I know many more gays than you ever will and ALL of them are proud of who they are. Only those who haven't sorted out their religion and their reality are questioning. It doesn't take long to know the truth.

  • From Provo...part two
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    The other thing, and this is driving me nuts, is the repeated statement by many posters that "homosexuality has ruined societies from the beginning of time!" What?! Where are you uneducated nitwits getting this? Any facts to back these claims up? Any examples other than Rome & Greece? I hate to admit that I have to rely on my underfunded Utah public education here, but I don't remember *ever*, in high school ap history or my college classes or any history show or study or book, *ever* hearing that any kind of proof that sexuality of any kind brought down any civilization. Over expansion, yes; change of power, yes; misuse of resources, yes; corrupt governments, yes; surprise volcanoes, yes; being gay, no! The problem with most societies is that they're full of people, period.

    One last comment: to all who have been saying that all Mormons are bigots and gay-haters, please don't give into generalization. Many Mormons know how to think for themselves & know that there's a bigger world beyond state lines. Some of us just got stuck here in Utah & are trying to do the best we can to remain normal.

  • Moment of Truth
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    Not about everything Butter said was correct about gays being terroists and being the main cause of destroying our freedoms and america but much of it is! Our freedom of speech was taken from us even more because of the gays. Rockey Anderson can say whatever he wants and all the gays like him. But conservatives are not allowed to speak at all.

  • Donovan
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    Religion makes some people into monsters. Hats off to the good LDS who do not subscribe to Buttars so called Christian stance, while surving the people of Utah.
    Yea, right

  • Support
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    I agree with the good senator. He is voicing an opinion that may be unpopular with some. But why can't he speak his opinion? I personally find comments made by the gay community to be offensive! Let's censure them too! What about my right to NOT be offended too? Just because us "hetero" folk are not as vocal as the gay community doesn't mean our voice shouldn't be heard too! I am really weary of every gay in the community being heard in the media every time they are offended. Well, gay community, you offend me too -- every time you speak for your rights. What about my rights to NOT hear you?

  • Pleased
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:08 p.m.

    that there was at some some consequence to Buttars for his course comments. He does not live in this century. He gives ever Utah resident a black eye. For those who disagree, do you or do you not believe people who are different than you still have rights??

  • Joey
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:10 p.m.

    It's about time Senator Buttars is reprimanded for his insensitivity and boorishness. I believe that he is entitled to his opinion about the gay/lesbian community. However, I also believe that someone in his position--one who represents thousands of constituents--should be more diplomatic and sensitive when speaking as a Senator. If he happened to be MY senator, I would be furious. I have a hard time believing that his cruel words truly represent the mindset of the majority of his constituents. Come on, West Jordan residents! Enough is enough! Surely you will not re-elect him next time around.....

  • Vince
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    Freedom of speech goes on the defensive ---

    Yes, freedom of speech is a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

    However, there are limits and consequences.

    People in the public arena know that to air public opinion has its consequences --- and therefore they are careful on how they express them.

    To outright say that anyone has the right to say whatever he or she wants is limited and at best, immature.

    Freedom of speech, for example, might be the grounds for libel, defamation of character, and slander. Freedom of speech might jeopardize national security or even deprive others of their rights. Freedom of speech might encroach on copyright laws. Freedom of speech might the basis for violating someone else's rights on the grounds of national origin, identity, gender, class, language, etc. Freedom of speech might be the basis for harrassment in the workplace.

    At the other end of the spectrum, what would stop someone else from villifying people such as the Senator, using the same logic?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    @ GO AWAY GAYS:

    Isn't that precisely why the MORMONS are in UTAH? Nobody wanted THEM either!

    It's interesting to watch as one minority group after another achieves civil rights, only to turn and step on those standing on the next-lowest rung of the ladder.

    The anti-gay Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem are perhaps the most unbelievable example ... Hitler tested the ovens at Auschwitz on gay men before he began the Shoah against Jews.

    But then, African-Americans voted overwhelmingly for Prop HATE. What's up with THAT??!!

    So ... Mormons and Republicans and African-Americans have got theirs; to he!! with liberals, Democrats, etc.?

    Why does that sound suspiciously like the situation in the US for the past eight years under the BuschReich??

  • WELL SAID!
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:15 p.m.


    Free Speech? | 10:25 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009

    Sure, Chris Buttars is entitled to his right to free speech.

    He is also entitled to the consequences of his free speech.

  • Larsen
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    Senator Buttars has a right to say whatever he pleases. He is guaranteed that right by the Constitution. But those who are offended by his words are also free to protest them. I happen to believe that his absolute inability to show thoughtfulness, compassion, diplomacy and self-restraint makes him unfit to represent the people of West Jordan in the State Legislature. This latest fiasco just drives home the point. The sad thing is that it probably won't be the last time it happens....

  • Arnold Waldner
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:20 p.m.

    What's it going to take to get rid of this guy?

  • I agree
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    Anonymous at 4:23 said, "I am gay and proud and I am glad that someone like Buttars gets punished."

    Well, I am not gay, I am LDS (and I support the LDS position on gay marriage), I have lived most of my life in Utah, and I am also glad that someone like Buttars gets punished. His comments have consistently been offensive, and I don't understand how he managed to be elected into office.

    I believe it is possible to debate moral and consitutional issues such as gay marriage without resorting to slandering/vilifying anybody who doesn't share your opinion. Buttars strikes me as highly opinionated, uneducated, and uncouth. We all deserve better representatives who work to unite and find common ground to build upon.

  • It's not easy being LDS
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    I am sick of all the hateful remarks and judgements made toward all LDS people for what 1 person did. I guess I am going to need to pray for all of you and forgive you and find peace in my imperfect self.
    The world is getting worse and worse. I guess it is my job to be a man and take all these hateful remarks toward my faith like a man and this is also a trial where I need to forgive people.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    I don't think I have the ability to have a rational argument with people who talk to invisible entities. Once there was a movie with James Steward called "Harvey." Jimmy Steward Elwood P. Dowd who makes friends with a spirit taking the form of a human-sized rabbit named Harvey that only he sees. You realize people who are strange are still good people.

    I've read people trying to convince people who get their marching orders from unseen spirits seems feudal.

    Some poor sheep herder with sun stroke had a vision or wrote a great tale on sheep skin and some think its gospel. There are people who define their world by words written by people who would think the flame on a Bic lighter was miraculous.

    You would be better served explaining that energy is equal to the mass times the speed of light squared to a two year old.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    I hope the LDS church calls him on a mission to either San Franciso or Alabama.

  • re: Jack Mo
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:26 p.m.

    Are you aware of how much your hatred and rage are showing? It is called transference when you equate your own dark frustrations with the focus of your antipathy. I am sure you sincerely believe the things that you said because you have surrounded yourself with like-minded people. I've lived in Utah and five other states and I have a very different perspective from you and I have hundreds of non-Mormon friends and family. I hope you can learn to let go and find some peace.

  • Just wait
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:26 p.m.

    When this nation collapses and goes communist the homos will be the first to be exterminated!

  • Republican Senators Ashamed
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:26 p.m.

    I bet the Republican Senators are tired of Buttars and his protector and buddy Waddoups. Will Waddoups last as President? Buttars had many strikes against him, then he exploded last year with two major mistakes (just ask the African American Community and the state's judges, one of whom he harrassed). What happened, Valentine took him out of one leadership post. Valentine paid the price and lost his top spot, Waddoups took it instead. How is that working out for you Waddoups? Enjoying the spotlight that you stole and also restored to your buddy Buttars? Liking the heat of the moment. Well, you came across really badly today. Poor showing by Waddoups at a time of real division. You basically said Buttars was right, I don't have time for this, but I'll whack him a little harder than Valentine did last year so you'll all go away. I don't think Republicans in general like the way you handled this one. Your Senate colleagues certainly hate being embarrassed by Buttars and now you, Waddoups. No sensitivity training available up there? No diversity training up there? No legal training up there? Angry voters are on their way.

  • fill me in
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    Just what is it that makes men and women desire their own sex? Is your brains short circuited or what? There something definitely wrong!

  • re: men and eggs
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    What comes to mind is the Old Testament story (why does all the hatred come from the OLD Testament?)
    where man is so in love with himself he believes he can give birth: Eve miraculously coming from Adam's rib.

    LOL!

  • Abominous
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    The comments Buttars made are freely available worldwide via the Internet. In this thread there are ~350 comments and counting, a huge number of them whining about how the gays are taking away "free speech." All these comments are freely available worldwide via the Internet.

    Now I'll use some of my own free speech: You people are morons.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:38 p.m.

    @ Deseret Dawg:

    To compare Chris Buttars to Christ is blasphemous, not to mention ridiculous and inaccurate.

  • DMH
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    I was upset to hear that the Senate decided to strip Sen. Buttars of some of his responsibilities, just because of what he said. I think people forget that he was asked point blank what his opinion was on the gay rights issues, and he gave it. Perhaps, he could have used more delicate language, but he was right on point. If you don't think that the gay and lesbian movement is dangerous, then you obviously have not read their mission statement that was printed in the newspaper a few days ago. It says point blank that they are out to destroy the moral fiber of our American society and any religion that stands in their way will also be utterly destroyed. If this is not a threat to the American way of life, then I don't know what is. Thank you Sen. Buttars for expressing your opinion and bringing some awareness to the real situation.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    @ AWESOME, who said:

    "The actions of the gay rights activists since prop 8 has shown their true colors. They are filled with hate and they are dangerous."

    NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS KILLED BY GAYS: 0

    NUMBER OF GAYS KILLED BY CHRISTIANS in the past two thousand years:

    Oh, several million would be a conservative estimate.

    Blaming the victim is as old as religious fascism, which, sadly, is as old as Paul's writings in the NT.

    The Roman Empire fell because the (pagan) BARBARIANS invaded from the north, and Rome's troops were too thinly deployed to defend the entire Empire. Neither gays nor Christians had anything to do with it, though the Roman Emperor scapegoated the latter, and the CHRISTIANS later scapegoated (and continue to scapegoat) the former.

  • Not Proud to be Gay
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:49 p.m.

    Yes they told me. Also, what makes you so sure you know more gay people than me? Do you know who I am, what I do and how I even know many of these people? Big assumtion on your part. And to correct you, I am sure many of the gay people you know are proud of who they are but I assure you they are not proud to be Gay. They will reach out to a group of people to gather support and that is O.K. but I am quite certain they wished they didn't have to bare this crutch.

  • Rich
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:02 p.m.

    Is this really going to boil down to a free speach issue in the minds of Utahn's? We all know how government works but at what point should we be concerned? This is as inappropriate as it gets and to have an elected official publicly persecute a segment of society is not right. GAY PEOPLE ARE NOT BAD, NOR DIFFERENT THAN YOU AND I!

    We all know, and let's not kid ourselves, gay folks have always been here and will always be here. I maintain a strong opinion that God does not look unfavorably upon anyone who shows love to another human being regardless of who or how.

    How long do we honestly hope to hold a segment of society down with fewer rights and priveledge than the rest of us have? Is it even remotely reasonable to think society would cease to function? I'm bothered by the narrow view of so many and I personally feel it is time to live and let live.

    Let's love one another, treat ourselves fairly, and focus on the real problems in the world.

  • John
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:04 p.m.

    Pride: enmity between you and God or between you and another person. Christ said to love your enemies. The Book of Mormon teaches that contention is of the devil. What many of you fail to understand is, regardless of whether or not Buttars is right, or wrong, his methods are COMEPLETELY WRONG, and offensive to God. He does not teach with the Spirit. He creates fear and animosity. If you disagree with me, then you need to read your scriptures more carefully. No one is edified when Buttars speaks. If you really want to convert someone to your cause, you must use the Spirit. Any thing less is an excuse. Buttars gives us Mormons a bad name. Look to the General Authorities. Buttars is NOTHING like them, and neither is Hannity, Limbaugh, Ruzicka...

  • Chris B
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    Yes, Senator Buttars has freedom of speech and the right to not condone the gay lifestyle. However, I think the words he used to express himself were cruel, insensitive, divisive, showed a lack of any civility or compassion on his part, as well as, gave the state of Utah a black eye.

  • Freedom of Speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    All you politically correct, thought controlling, free speech hating liberals are really asking for a war aren't you?

  • Chris B
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:25 p.m.

    Well said, John.

  • Freedom of Speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:28 p.m.

    I don't mean a real war, or course, but a political war. With the way this current Congress and Administration is going, I see the Dems losing their controlling interest in Congress in two years.

  • Mike
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    I find it sad that so many people paint with such a wide brush on these comment boards. Haven't we all learned through our many interactions with others in this world that majority/minority groups have a broad spectrum of people affiliated with them. The thoughts/thoughtless comments of a few do not represent those of the group as a whole. Not everyone fits in the perfect boxes you create for them (not all muslims are terrorists for example). I don't fit in any of your boxes as stipulated in this thread.

  • Freedom of Speech
    Feb. 20, 2009 6:40 p.m.

    Shame on you Utah Senate for punishing an act of free speech. You may not agree with him, but I thought Americans had freedom of speech, even publicly elected officials. No form of speech should ever be regulated or punished by any government body or government person. That sets a dangerous precedence that leads to governments like the Nazi regime.

    If someone's speech is to have any consequences, it should be the people that bring about those consequences, not government.

  • Adam M
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:03 p.m.

    I am sad that AS a constituent of Mr. Buttars, my voice is ignored and clearly not considered in lieu of his own personal convictions. He is not expected to make everyone happy, but he IS responsible to represent us and not speak and act like a child. I don't feel that it is his job to speak in such a callous manner, even if it is his right to speak his mind. That's not the point. Use tact and speak well. That's his job.

  • James
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:24 p.m.

    I believe everyone has freedom of Speech, and Senator Buttars Represents the voice of his district--and it appears that others on Capitol Hill agree that he does not clearly represent that voice.

  • ehem
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:56 p.m.

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean that we are free from the consequences. But Buttars did have every right to state his opinion. Yes, he is facing big consequences. But at least he got his opinion heard. That is more than a lot of us are doing. We can all say what we want, although it doesnt always mean that we should. But I still think that it was good to get his voice heard. Utah does not have the greatest hate on earth. and if you have a problem with us here, then you can leave. Utah is doing the best it can to be pleasing to everyone. Lighten up on us!!!!!

  • Travis Wilcox
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:04 p.m.

    Can't everyone just get along? If you don't like the fire, do you really think that throwing gas on it will produce the results you desire? Let's all take a deep breath, shrug off Buttar's comments, and move forward in harmony.

  • @ehem
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:22 p.m.

    he got to have his voice heard which is more then we can say about the people that sponsored the common ground bills their voices where squelched by Buttars and his friends before they ever got to be openly debated on the senate or house floors. If you dont like it you can leave knid of seems to contradict your claims that you support free speech or that Utah is doing the best it can to be pleasing to everyone

  • fred
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:24 p.m.

    i agree with Sen Buttars. gay actions are immoral behavior just like Biblical writers state. i applaud Sen buttars for his courage to stand up for what is right.

  • awsomeron
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    Getting People for what they say. Will only encourge the PC People and noisey little sub groups. Butters commited No Crime and did No Wrong.

    His viewpoint is his and he is allowed to express his view point. Many people have the same view point as he does. (I don't) I think it Abortion that hinders America, Not Homosexuals, but he is entitled to say what he thinks.

  • Chris Nuttall
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:07 p.m.

    When was the last time Senate President Waddoups read the Bill of Rights? How dare he and the Utah Senate remove Senator Buttars as Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee - not for any wrongful act - but for exercising his most basic constitutional right? When it comes to the homosexual movement, it appears that freedom of speech only covers speech which agrees with their position. Whatever happened to honest disagreement, to a valid difference of opinion and voicing that opinion? Yes, if losing freedom of speech by all our citizens is one of the main fruits of the homosexual movement, then they certainly are a threat. However, they can't take away our right to freedom of speech without the cooperation of people like our Senate, elements of the media, and citizens who don't care enough about everyone's right to freedom of speech to stand in defense of it. I would respectfully request that the Utah Senate reinstate Senator Buttars, and his/our right to freedom of speech.

  • Freedom
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:18 p.m.

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech.

    But that argument is missing the point. Buttars was removed from two committees. One of those committees was the committee that heard the common ground initiatives. Buttars clearly stated that he did not and would not give consideration to those bills because of his feelings towards that population. In other words, Buttars stated that he had a conflict of interest and was unable to do the job required by his membership on that committee. Now, if you went into work on Monday, and told your boss you weren't going to do your job, would it be a violation of your freedom of speech for your boss to remove you from that position? Of course not.

    The membership in the second committee depended on the membership in the first committee. When the one position was lost, the second one followed. Again, this is not an infringement on Buttars speech - it is a natural consequence of his inability to do the job required by the position.

    Buttars can say whatever he wants. Letting his personal opinions interfere with his ability to do his job is a different matter.

  • Hmmm
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:28 p.m.

    Several years ago when k.d. lang was a country singer, she spoke out against meat. Now, this was probably not a really great idea considering that most of her fans were ranchers. People reacted by not buying her records and she had to switch genres.

    A few years ago the Dixie Chicks made comments slamming on Pres. Bush. People responded by not buying their records and demanding radio stations not play their music. The Dixie Chicks eventually apologized but they have not returned to their pre-controversy popularity.

    A few days ago, Buttars made some comments about gay people. At the time he made these comments, he was on committees that heard bills dealing with gay people. As a result of his comments, Buttars was removed from those committees.

    This is not a violation of Buttars' freedom of speech any more than the reactions to k.d. lang and the Dixie Chicks were violations of their freedom of speech - it is merely the (much lauded) market system at work.

  • I support Buttars
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    And I support Free Speech. Why is it that only gays and lesbians can speak their minds? Buttars did nothing wrong and he deserves the support of all good Americans.

  • shecky
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    He may represent the views of many of his constituents, but he does not represent mine. I voted against him last time, and I'll vote against him next time, too.

  • shecky
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:15 p.m.

    Let Buttars enjoy his first amendment rights as a private citizen, not as a person who supposedly represents us.

  • Embarrassed
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:12 p.m.

    I live in Senator Buttars' district and am embarrassed to have him as our representative. And I am equally embarrassed by the comments of some who are defending what he said. Comparing gay activists to radical muslims and calling homosexuality the greatest threat to America is indefensible.

    How did we elect someone like this to represent us? It is not as though we didn't know he is prone to making improper and inflammatory statements. Referring to legislation as a "black baby" is equally indefensible. I didn't vote to reelect him precisely because he made that comment. Yet apparently that wasn't enough to keep others from voting to reelect him. I don't get it.

    We need to stop voting for someone simply because they are republican and instead take a closer look at the person. Certainly John Rendell would have been a better choice.

  • It's all in the name
    Feb. 20, 2009 11:22 p.m.

    What's the point? The point is you're no more qualified to tell gay people about God and homosexuality than anyone else. Gays who follow Christ...who never mentioned homosexuality that meet...they are as much or more christian than you. :)

  • Thanks
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:58 a.m.

    Thank you, Senator Buttars, for speaking truth to "power". It's a shame you and your constituents have been punished for it.

  • awesomeron
    Feb. 21, 2009 3:05 a.m.

    All Black People and All People of Color are not the same. I should No More Vote for Obama because he is part black and I am part black, then the Man in the Moon. To many Blacks did that, "he is Black and that is all they needed to know" Many people did or did not Vote for Mitt, because he was Mormon like them or against him because they where Not Mormon and Voting for a Mormon would be releasing some sort of Gargoyle.

    The Media tried to destroy Palin. because she attended an Assembly Of God Church where some Members Speak in Tongues, and raise their hands to Praise The Lord. They also Believe in Faith Healing and Getting Slain in The Spirit. The ones I know are some of the Nicest people On The Earth.

    Jesse Jackson was more then Martin Kings Friend. He walked point with Martin King and his life was in danger on a daily basis. To Me Jesse Jackson can do No Wrong. However he far from represents me or a lot of other Conservative People of Color.

    The Homosexuals are Not The Bad Guys, The Abortionist Are The Bad Guys.

  • ehemple
    Feb. 21, 2009 5:12 a.m.

    We used to say we love the sinner and hate the sin. Now it seems like we see no sin? Homosexuals are predators. While everyone is acting like they are a discriminated class of citizens they are spreading their dark doctrine and enlisting our children. Just for the record the use of the word "dark" only means without light.
    Thank you Sen Buttar's for telling it like it is.
    We are allowing the liberal media, and schools to promote this and other unhealthy and sinful life styles on our children. It is a sad day in Utah when this type of honesty is being censured. Homosexual behavior is a grievous sin that if not repented of, will lead to misery. Love the sinner hate the sin.

  • Mom in MO
    Feb. 21, 2009 5:46 a.m.

    Ok, demand Buttars' resignation for the ideas he holds and the language he uses to express them. Now demand the resignation of Reid, Pelosi, and Michael Savage, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rush Limbaugh, Keith Oberman, the list goes on and on, up to and including Pres. Obama. If all it takes for a person to lose their job is someone else's moral outrage, then there will be no one left employed.

  • Mark Taylor - Bellevue, WA
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:13 a.m.

    My parents raised my brother and I equally with love and affection. Nothing traumatic happened to me in my childhood. I was not molested and I was not abused. I am gay because that is the way I was born. The same as my brother is straight because that is the way he was born. Neither was a choice. Sexuality is an animal instinct. Anyone who was raised on a farm knows that. Some animals are gay and there is nothing you can do to change it. A gay horse is not going to stud with a mare. Just because humans can think we're supposed to believe we can chose who we are attracted to? That makes no sense at all. Denying that you are gay is just like dying your hair. On the outside you are a platinum blond but you will always grow black hair. Don't hate me because I was born with black hair.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:01 a.m.

    To: "Buttars can't claim that he's being Christ-like!!" who said: "From what I was taught and what I firmly believe, God and Christ love UN-conditionally. I'm sure Christ wasn't afraid to speak his mind, but I HIGHLY doubt he went around putting people down and calling them terrorists just because they weren't "following his word"
    What bible are you reading? Yes, the Savior was compassionate. Yes, he supped with sinners? Yes, he was patient with sinners. But don't tell me that he didn't stand up for what was right. Remember, he was killed by a group who couldn't accept the fact that he kept "putting them down" and calling them things such as "whited seplechures" and "a wicked generation" and turning their tables over in the temple. There is right and there is wrong and the Savior always gives the people doing wrong (which is all of us) a chance to change but never bowed to what was popular at the time when it was dead wrong. The same applies now. I love my gay relatives, but they cannot force me to accept their views as right and good.

  • Whoa, don't react to quickly
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:17 a.m.

    Just remember before condemning this guy, the gay and lesbian community did react in terrorist fashion after Prop. 8.

    I consider death threats, violence, vandalism, slander and interference of religious worship, terrorists tactics.

    Maybe this is what Buttars was thinking about when he made his comments.

    Plus, even though his comments were harsh, we do believe in free speech. I heard plenty of comments worse than what Buttars said, towards Mormons and no one even had there hand slapped. Shouldn't Tom Hanks career be over too?

  • Ain't gonna take it no mo'
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:44 a.m.

    Is it possible that Buttars is a closet case?

  • Bill
    Feb. 21, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Buttars can speak for himself. But when he speaks as a State Senator, he is responsible to his constituents for his to be respectful in his statements. When he holds responsible positions in the State Senate, he speaks for the Senate as well as for himself, and he should have the intelligence to speak non-hatefully. The real trouble is that many around the country suppose that Buttars is speaking for the LDS Church or that his remarks are representative of LDS views. He has damaged the Church's reputation considerably by his hateful comments. No one can show me anywhere in the last 20 years that the LDS Church has made any anti-gay public statements so filled with gnashing of teeth as those made by the Embarrassment of West Jordan.

  • RIGHT ON
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    The fact that there are so many comments just indicates that Senator Buttars' comments were right on target. Good for him to express his sentiments.
    Free speech is available regardless of political office.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:41 a.m.

    Yep. A hate filled bigot gets to go on a mission but a kid who makes one mistake doesn't.
    Sounds about right.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    The term "judicial committee" suggests to me that there would be a suggestion of impartiality from a personally held belief system and acting in a fair and impartial way when it comes to all the citizens of Utah when making laws.

    The Committee needed to maintain the integrity of this "judicial" i.e. impartial work. They came correct by letting him go as he could not act in a fashion condusive to the design of the Committee.

  • hate
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:52 a.m.

    There is a lot of hate on the forum today. And yesterday. Now either it is an oil deposit and someone struck it, or they laid down the oil and then brought it up. hmmmmmm.

    The senator has the right to speak his mind, and should. And then we all have run for cover because he is so embarassing.

    But darn it I have a grandpa like this and we love him. We also hide his bottles.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:09 a.m.

    @ WHOA, who said:

    "Just remember before condemning this guy, the gay and lesbian community did react in terrorist fashion after Prop. 8."

    NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS KILLED BY GAYS: 0

    NUMBER OF GAYS KILLED BY CHRISTIANS:
    oh, several MILLION in the past 2,000 years

    NUMBER OF MORMON CHURCHES AND TEMPLES DESTROYED BY GAYS: 0

    NUMBER OF MCC (pro-gay) CHURCHES DESTROYED BY HOMOPHOBES: 10% of the total number of MCC churches have been burned

    Don't tell ME about terrorist tactics. I was organist of MCC/San Diego for YEARS. I had to walk through ROCK-WIELDING kristianist fanatic pickets to get to church on Sunday.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:13 a.m.

    @ EHEMPLE, who said,

    "Homosexuals are predators."

    Cite me studies that prove that assertion, please. Something like 95%-98% of child molesters are HETEROSEXUALS, and close friends or relatives of the molested child's family.

  • utdaisy
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    Thank you to Senator Buttars for standing up to the special interest groups!!! They seem to think that if anyone says something against these groups, they need "sensitivity training." Well, these special interests are ruining our country. Thank you, Senator, for stating what is in the best interest of the country, rather than just the vocal minority.

  • Terrible LDS Example
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    Chris Buttars has every right to express his opinion. But it is clear that he absolutely lacks in Christlike love and compassion - not to mention even a small amount of tact.

    Given his elected position and LDS membership, it is IMPOSSIBLE for this not to reflect negatively upon the LDS Church and the State. The Church's public image has been hammered time and time again the past year or so and this just adds to it.

    Those with eyes to see recognize that the 13 million announced membership is limping along at maybe 4-5 million active members and a very stagnant growth rate. Those of us who are concerned about this lack of growth and the thousands of resignations SLC processes annually, cringe at yet another high profile black eye. Chris Butters HURTS the LDS Church - period. Not through the opinion he has a constitutional right to express, but through the incredibly divisive, insensitive and frankly moronic way in which he expresses it.

  • Jason Berntson
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    Yes, Buttars has the right to state his opinion.

    However, comparing homosexuals to Islamic terrorists, who are indiscriminate killers, is hateful, bigoted, ignorant, and short-sighted, and a complete shame to his public office and everyone he represents, even if some of the constituents he represents are just as short-sighted and hateful as he is.

    What if he had said the same thing about Jews? Or black people? Would there still be people here defending him? What's the difference?

    I find it increasingly hard to defend the freedom of speech rights of people who claim that gay marriage is a threat to our society. It's now to the point where anyone who lashes out against the gay community in such a way really is just unabashedly homophobic and bigoted.

  • To Just wait!
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    "When this nation collapses and goes communist the homos will be the first to be exterminated!"

    You sound like you are looking forward to that occurance. Be careful for who else they may come for? Mormons?

  • Reason
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    Does anyone else see the blunt irony in Sen. McCoy being the one to say that Sen. Buttarss words are a stain on the Senate and the Senate should be held to a higher standard? I dont always agree with the way that Sen. Buttars says things, but he should be free to say them without fear of threats or intimidation. He should not have been removed from the committee or the chairmanships. He was duly elected, has not committed any crime which should change that, and he should be allowed to serve.

  • Paul Cameron
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    Buttars said nothing that is false. Inflammatory yes... but not untrue. Anonymous asked for studies supporting the assertion that homosexuals are predators. One need only Google for a plethora of sites with studies and data supporting that fact. You may start with the Family Research Institute and the AFA Journal. And check out NAMBLA (the gay organization promoting man-boy sex).

  • strange
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:36 a.m.

    so everyone is still spreading propaganda about the "hoorable way gays acted after prop 8" several months ago but no one is talkng about the less tehn civilized manner that anti gay rights people have acted after the governors remarks last week. selective reasoning?

  • Terrence Owen
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:38 a.m.

    There was nothing in our Constitution as it was originally written about Racial rights, womens rights or any other group rights. There was a slight mention about ALL of us being equal under the law. Operative word is ALL, not ALL EXCEPT (fill your prejudice here). The world is full of narrow minded bigots and Buttars is just one of them. I assume many of his constituents are as well or they wouldn't keep re electing him.

  • Great distraction
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:49 a.m.

    Buttars does serve a purpose he prevents bills that may not cast the republicans that live in more moderate districts in a good light if they had to take a stand from ever being debated on the house and senate floors and can always be counted on to make silly comments to draw heat away from the republican party. Think about it people are so caught up in this story that they are no longer even paying attention to anything else happening on the hill. You dont need to worry about his free speech rights the Republican Party will make sure there is always someone there to write down or record anytime Buttars wants to speak his mind.

  • Scott H
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:04 p.m.

    I believe homosexuality is wrong. I wish they'd stop pushing their lifestyle in my face.

    Homosexual activists want to paint anyone that speaks out against their lifestyle as a "bigot" or "hater"... unfortunately the mainstream media and Hollywood is pushing this idea on the youth of our country.

    I fear for our freedom of speech in the future.

  • moablondon
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:06 p.m.

    I am a returned missionary, BYU graduate, ex-mormon, gay. Yes, we exist, by the tens-of-thousands. Chris Buttars is a mormon Utah state senator. These two types of people are not mutually exclusive. This is America. All are suppose to be equally welcome, protected, have freedom of religion, belief, consciousness and speech. Chris has the right to say what he did, no matter how awful. Those who disagree with him have the right to protest what he said. However, in Chris position he also has the responsibility to protect the rights and privileges of ALL. This ALL includes both mormons and non-mormons, straights and gays. Being human, Constitutionally gays also deserve protection in ALL rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that may be. Yet, at this current time we really dont have ALL those rights and protections. Many here have called us hypocrites. Yes, that happens. There are hypocrites on both sides. I ask those who use this word to evaluate their own rights, freedoms and protections and see how they might apply to the ALL of humanity, including those who are gay.

  • Dave
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    Hooray for Buttars standing up for freedom of speech. I wish more of our leaders in Utah and around the country would support our constitutional rights instead of stomping them out and giving homosexuals special rights and protections that infringe on everyone else's rights. Homosexuals have been the most intolerant bigoted group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that they have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing them. I wish our leaders would crack down and speak out about the bigotry eminating from within the homosexual community and protect Christians from these kinds of retributions.

  • Anon
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Homosexuals should show tolerance and forgiveness for others instead of trying to get Buttars booted and spending their time attacking him. The Christian thing to do is to spread the good word and warn our neighbors, i.e. homosexuals, otherwise we'll be in condemnation ourselves. I think we should be clear and speak out that homosexuality is wrong and that we care about them that is why we are telling them they need to repent or face condemnation. Homosexuals need to follow all of the principles of the gospel to be saved. I think that this is our duty. The truth is hard for the wicked.

  • more propaganda from Paul
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:34 p.m.

    funny that Paul Cameron would choose to site two conservative special interest groups and an organization with no ties to the gay community and that has been condemned by many gay organizations. Let me site some creditable sources (the actual licensed professionals that deal in human behavior). Try searching the American Pediatric society, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Worker (Notice I do not reference the human rights campaign or Equality Utah also special interest groups). I will even do you one better (if I can get the DN to indulge me. I will provide you the names and authors of 24 pieces of research (by professionals not special interest groups) that directly refute your claims. Cont..

  • more propoganda from paul
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    Studies refuting Pauls claims:
    1. Gay/lesbian parents report no greater stress than heterosexuals, and children are not adversely affected by being raised by homosexual families 2005 Lambert S. Family Journal: Counseling & Therapy for Couples & Families 13(1): 43-51.
    2."Gay and Lesbian Families: What We Know and Where to Go From Here" 2004 Wainright J. Child Development 75(6): 1886-1898.
    3."Psychosocial Adjustment, School Outcomes, and Romantic Relationships of Adolescents With Same-Sex Parents" 2003 Golombok S. Developmental Psychology 39: 20-33.
    4."Children with lesbian parents: A community study." 2003 Millbank J. Australian Journal of Social Issues 38: 541-600.
    5."From here to maternity: A review of the research on lesbian and gay families." 2002 Vanfraussen K. Journal of Reproductive and Infant Psychology 20: 237-252.
    6. American Psychiatric Association resource document on controversies in child custody: Gay and lesbian parenting, transracial adoptions, joint versus sole custody, and custody gender issues." 1998 McNeill K. Psychological Reports 82:59-62.
    7." Families and parenting: A comparison of lesbian and heterosexual mothers" 1998 Parks C. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 68(3): 376-389.
    cont...

  • more propoganda from paul
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    more studies refuting paul:
    8."Lesbian parenthood: A review of the literature" 1997 Brewaeys A. Human Reproduction 12:1349-59 1997 Brewaeys A. J of Psychosomatic Obs and Gyn 18:1-16 1997 Patterson C. Advances in Clinical Child Psychology 19:235-282.
    9. "Children of lesbian and gay parents" 1997 Tasker F. Journal of Divorce and Remarriage 1997 28 (1-2) 183-202.
    10."Young People's Attitudes toward Living in a Lesbian Family: A Longitudinal Study of Children Raised by Post-Divorce Lesbian Mothers" 1996 Allen M. J of Homosexuality 32(2):19-35.
    11."Comparing the impact of homosexual and heterosexual parents on children: Meta-analysis of existing research" 1996 Golombok S. Developmental Psychology 32 (1) p3-11.
    12."Do Parents Influence the Sexual Orientation of Their Children? Findings from a Longitudinal Study of Lesbian Families." 1996 Patterson C. Journal of Social Issues 52(3): 29-50.
    13."Lesbian and gay families with children: Implications of social science research for policy" 1995 Bailey J. Developmental Psychology 31(1): 124-129.
    14."Sexual orientation of adult sons of gay fathers." 1995 Flaks D. Developmental Psychology 31(1): 105-114.
    cont...

  • more propoganda from paul
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    yet more studies refuting paul:
    15."Lesbians choosing motherhood: A comparative study of lesbian and heterosexual parents and their children." 1995 Fowler G. Family and Conciliation Courts Review 33(3): 361-376.
    16."Homosexual parents: Implications for custody cases" 1995 Tasker F. Am J of Orthopsychiatry 65:203-15.
    17. "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian Families" 1995 van-Nijnatten C. Medicine and Law 14(5-6): 359-368.
    18."Sexual orientation of parents and Dutch family law." 1995 Victor S. School Psychology Review 24(3): 456-479
    19."Lesbian mothers and the children: A review for school psychologists." 1994 McIntyre D. Mediation Quarterly 12(2), winter, 135-149.
    20."Gay Parents and Child Custody: A Struggle under the Legal System" 1993 Patterson C. , Annual Progress in Child Psychiatry and Child Development 33-62
    21."Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents" 1992 Baggett C. Law and Psychology Review 16: 189-200.
    22."Sexual orientation: Should it affect child custody rulings." 1987 Kirkpatrick M. J of Homosexuality 14:201-11.
    cont...

  • More propoganda from Paul
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    and yet more studies refuting paul:
    23."Clinical Implications of Lesbian Mother Studies" 1986 Green R. Archives of Sexual Behavior 15:167-184.
    24."Lesbian Mothers and Their Children: A Comparison with Solo Parent Heterosexual Mothers and Their Children" 1986 Kleber D. Bulletin of the Am Acad of Psychiatry and Law 14(1):81-87.
    25."The impact of parental homosexuality in child custody cases: A review of the literature" 1983 Golombok S. J of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 24:551-572.
    26."Children in lesbian and single-parent households: Psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal" 1982 Green R. Bulletin of the Am Acad of Psychiatry and Law 10:7-15.

    well if the DN acyually bothers posting all of these you will have gotten the point by now, paul is full of hot air.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    DMH | 5:39 p.m. Feb. 20, 2009 says "that the gay and lesbian movement is dangerous, then you obviously have not read their mission statement that was printed in the newspaper a few days ago. It says point blank that they are out to destroy the moral fiber of our American society and any religion that stands in their way will also be utterly destroyed". I would like to know which issue of the newspaper this was printed in and which newspaper as I would like to read this for myself.

  • Homosesuality is evil
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    Buttars is right. He'll reap his reward in heaven. It's too bad you can no longer speak truth in America without suffering for it. That's another way those who've chosen homosexuality promote evil.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    @ DAVE, who said:

    "Homosexuals have been the most intolerant bigoted group I've every seen. Look at the hundreds of churches and chapels that they have desicrated by homosexuals shooting out the windows and vandalizing them."

    HUNDREDS, Dave? SURELY *that* would have made the national news.

    Did you read about the CONSERVATIVE who killed people in a Unitarian Church in Kentucky (in the middle of a children's performance, no less) because he "hated gays?"

    Or the number of Metropolitan Community Churches (pro-gay) that have been BURNED TO THE GROUND?

    Or the number of gay people who have been BEATEN AND MURDERED by "good Christians?"

    Cheap stained glass windows just don't stack up against all THAT.

  • TO
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    As one of Buttars' constituents, I agree with his defense of traditional American family/marriage values. I appreciate his decision to stand by his views. BUT, I also think as a public servant he could have expressed himself in a more politically correct way. Live and learn...if only he would.

  • Raymond H. Burgoon-Clark
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:20 p.m.

    @ ANONYMOUS, who said:

    "I think Buttars is a true leader and our economy will not get better because of all the corruption and evil that does exist in the hearts of so many men and women in this United States. Good bye prosperity, good bye peace, good bye love, good bye freedom in America and hello hell! Unless this people and these Sodomists repent!"

    Substitute "Jews" for "sodomists" and you will have a Hitlerian rant in the midst of prewar Germany's runaway inflation and collapsing economy.

    In other words, unless the "righteous" are allowed a "final solution" ... imprisoning / driving out / stoning / killing the scapegoat (Jews, gypsies, gay people, blacks, the handicapped, the mentally challenged, etc.) the United States is doomed.

    Sorry, but that is the very DEFINITION of nazism / fascism.

  • Cobalt Blue
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    1. Waddoups should not have bowed to pressure from the gay community to punish Buttars. Buttars is ENTITLED to free speech and should not have been censored.

    2. Waddoups is a coward. He should have firmly endorsed Buttars' right to free speech as written in that sacred document, the Constitution. Buttars wasn't even on the Senate floor when he stated his opinions. What a slap in the face to our founding fathers.

    3. The gays are spoiled crybabies and throw tantrums every time they don't get their way. Face it, you are forcing your deviant lifestyle upon us and our children, and forcing us to accept you as normal. You are NOT normal. This is a moral issue, NOT a civil issue. Your lifestyle attacks our American way of life, & dare I say it, the Bible, too. Remember, the Bible is an historically proven document, and here you are chucking 6 thousand years of the earth's history out the window like it never happened.

    4. How quickly you forget--we let you protest in SLC last fall. The signs you carried were OFFENSIVE. At least allow Buttars and the rest of us that same courtesy.

  • Michael Fierro
    Feb. 21, 2009 1:59 p.m.

    I am dismayed by the outcry towards comments made by Rep. Buttars. "He should resign!" "He should be kicked out!" Do people forget that that he is an elected official? Paraphrasing a comment widely attributed to Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it," I think the extremists in this community should back off. Although I don't agree with his assessment and condemnation of the homosexual community, I strongly defend his right to say it. And, as an elected representative, he is accountable for what he says to the people he represents! If you have a problem with that then I suggest you organize yourselves, run someone against him or sway the people in his district to not send him back. That is the remedy. Certainly not castigating him for his remarks or demanding his ouster. The "grandstanding" by the homosexual community is pathetic.

  • Hateful man
    Feb. 21, 2009 2:01 p.m.

    Buttars is a religoius man that is hateful of homosexuals. How is his attitude Christ like? His words represent his family and his church. Shame on him and everyone who supports him.

  • @Homosesuality is evil
    Feb. 21, 2009 2:02 p.m.

    "He'll reap his reward in heaven," would that be a thousand vergins?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 2:22 p.m.

    Finally someone, with courage to stand up for what is right. I live in South Carolina. I will be happy to contibute to his re-election campaign. You cannot give an inch to the gay agenda. Robinson

  • to Cobalt Blue
    Feb. 21, 2009 2:40 p.m.

    "we let you protest" really? gee thanks for letting us do something we are allowed to do.
    "The gays are spoiled crybabies and throw tantrums every time they don't get their way" kind of like you are doing with the post?
    "Your lifestyle attacks our American way of life" really wheres your proof? (note above post by "More propaganda from Paul" for research refuting this claim)
    the Bible is an historically proven document really? Prove it.

    You are going to have to do better then this if you want to be taken seriously, repeating the same lies over and over is not going to get it done.

  • BFE
    Feb. 21, 2009 2:53 p.m.

    I may not agree with what you say but I will depend your right to say it. Our country is being taken over by too much political correctness and sensitivity training. We need to step back and see what we have become. Everybody is offended by everything. Let's start calling right, right and wrong, wrong. What a double standard exists. If you don't stand for anything, than what do you stand for?

  • Born To Be Wild
    Feb. 21, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    Wow, what alot of comments for the Gay agenda. Too bad all this argueing isn't on the Fox news channel.
    Just because Buttars made these comments, why is it the fault of the LDS Church and LDS people. Did the LDS Church comment on Sen Buttars.

    There are alot of people out there defending Homosexuality. What ever it takes they need to understand they are out of normallcy with society - period. Until they and the rest of liberals come to grips with that they will be the plague of society. But just like the mayor of SF said, "there here wether you like it or not." Well most Americans don't like it.

    We need more people like Sen Buttars who will tell it like it is and get over political correctness.

  • Randy
    Feb. 21, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    It's a sad day when the politically correctness mafia censures someone with the guts to speak up for his belief that consenting adults engaging in adultery, homosexuality, and incest are unequivocally wrong.

  • George
    Feb. 21, 2009 4:07 p.m.

    Buttars is insensitive, arrogant, off base and obnoxious. Who does he think he is, Rocky Anderson?

  • Long run
    Feb. 21, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    In the long run gays will be the losers in this. Punishing people for expressing their opinions in a legal manner will hurt special interest groups much more than it will hurt Buttars in this instance. The world is getting fed up with gays' forcing their agenda on society.

  • From Cobalt Blue to 2:40 p.m.
    Feb. 21, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    1. You betcha I LET you protest; my taxes paid for City Hall who issued your demonstration permits, AND hardworking policemen who protected your right to demonstrate.

    2. As soon as Buttars' comments were released by a gay (what a surprise) documentarian wanting publicity so his film can make money, the gays "hurt" and demanded retribution. Politicans frequently spout opinons to each other but respect the right to free speech without retribution. Further, Mr. Crybaby 2:40 p.m., the people of CA voted to pass Prop 8 TWICE, and what are the gays doing now? SUING to reverse WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED FOR. If that isn't trampling our free speech rights into the ground, I don't know what is.

    YOU GAY CRYBABIES ARE DEMANDING RIGHTS BUT WILL NOT ALOW US TO HAVE ANY!!

    3. Paul's meager list of propaganda will never withstand the weight of decades of studies which prove that marriage between a man and a women, who bear children, is the best model for a healthy society. Sorry.

    4. Don't mock the Bible and supporting evidence until you have read it, but I doubt you will.

    I'm done with you phonies.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    Partners in a card game. They hold a pair of "twos" (lowest in the deck) and yet grimace and bluff as if they are ahead in the game and challenge others to ramp up the bid. What universe and sphere do Buttars and Waddoups daily live in? I'm a straight male and yet I find their off the wall offerings as non-responsive and out of touch with the realities of current day society. The Governor's spokesman offered a "mild" response, but otherwise the Governor himself and no solid voice in the Senate has stepped forward and called Buttars or Waddoups hand. Both in this recent debate are irresponsible and a grand embarrassment; nationally legions are already mocking the lack of civility, care and charity by this pair. Buttars should fold and walk away from the Senate and Waddoups should publicly distance himself from the style and themes of the former. If not, somebody in prominence needs to step forward and call them "out."

  • Re election
    Feb. 21, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    Our system of government allows us to remove him during elections. He is speaking for the people of West Jordan. If you dont like him dont vote for him. I for one like to hear free speech. Use your vote either way you feel about him.

  • @Cobalt blue
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    1. just so you know gays pay taxes too so we paid for our own protest but thanks anyway.

    2. so because Buttars is a politician no one should question or criticize his comments and thats free speech how?
    As to the second part as has been stated many times on these threads we do not live in a simple majority rule where just because the majority decides something it is constitutional. Therefore they are challenging the constitutionality of the law and are exercising there free speech rights. Should they just stop exercising their free speech because you have spoken?

    3. I would like to see that list you claim to have since no one else has ever been able to provide it.

    4. I did not "mock" the bible I asked you to prove that it is historical fact, but I guess I got my answer didn't I?

    I have to say for someone going around calling other cry babies you seem a little thin skinned yourself. oh and by the way TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE YOUT POINT ANY MORE VALID.

  • M M
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    Freedom of speech is a given here. But when your words are so carelessly filtered that you embarrass and hurt, an apology is warranted. You are arrogant if you think you have no apologies to make, and as I understand politics...humility goes a lot further with your constituency. Some of whom you truly have offended, whether they voted for you or not, you represent them. Do your job, sir.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:18 p.m.

    Chris Buttars is Utah's version of Jesse Helms. West Jordon should be ashamed of re-electing this bigot, but instead, they praise him as their moral savior. Thank god he was removed as judicial chair.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:30 p.m.

    While you may disagree with senator Buttars he should be able to express his views without being ostrasized. Would all politicians really express their reavies... if they had the coursge to do it many of our current representatives would be unemployed.

  • @Cobalt blue
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    I am starting to think Cobalt blue is the color of the happy pill that the guys in the white coats brings to your padded room.

  • m schmitt
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:53 p.m.

    The greatest thing about this country is the freedom of speech. Its a sad day when every small minority group gets its feathers ruffled by hearing someone not agree with them and wanting to punish them for their right to speek freely. That makes these groups the ones who are taking rights away from others. Frankly, both sides have the right to say what they want!!

  • Scott
    Feb. 21, 2009 6:56 p.m.

    Butters has every right to speak his mind.
    If you don't agree, you have the right to say so.
    If his views represent his constituants who re-elected him, we ought to pause and consider the possibility that he has a valid point. I for one believe that he does.

  • @m Schmitt
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    your right schmitt conservatives need to just chill out anf et people speak.

  • @scott
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    he has every right to speak his mind and I have every right to challenge it witout people claiming I am some how repressing them, too many people in Utah make the mistake of thinking it is not alright to challenge others thinking.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:38 p.m.

    To those defending Buttars, saying he may have a valid point and such, I ask:

    Do you really believe that radical homosexuals are the greatest threat to America?

    I could understand people believing that moral decline is America's greatest threat. But I don't think moral decline is limited to homosexuality.

    When America engages in torture, it demonstrates moral decline.

    When Americans commit adultery or fornication, it demonstrates moral decline. And since there are a lot more straights than gays, adultery and fornication are more common.

    When business people like Madoff and Southwick swindle the unsuspecting, it is evidence of moral decline.

    When pornography rates increase, it is evidence of moral decline.

    When Chris Buttars treats a group of people as though they are sub-human, it is evidence of moral decline.

    Maybe we all need to look in the mirror in an effort to improve our country.

  • MondoMoma
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:51 p.m.

    Does everyone think this will end here? With Buttars?
    Ha! Uptight white men who profess to be "Christian"
    begs me to wonder if their God would REALLY think the way he does.

  • The Seer
    Feb. 21, 2009 8:17 p.m.

    Here is a prophecy for you: Buttars will never get re-elected. He is an embarrassment and he will be lucky to finish his term.

  • Senate dicipline
    Feb. 21, 2009 8:49 p.m.

    "Most of what Senator Buttars said, I agree with," Sen. Howard Stephenson, R-Draper, said in a weekly Red Meat Radio program he hosts on K-TALK. "We as a Senate caucus had an agreement that because Sen. Buttars had become such a lightning rod on this issue, he would not be the spokesman on this issue and basically he violated that agreement."

  • @Senate dicipline
    Feb. 21, 2009 8:56 p.m.

    wow what a shock buttars not being honest and breaking his word. (Sarcasim intended) thanks for the reference but you better brace yourself for the attacks.

  • To @Senate dicipline:
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:13 p.m.

    I'm not worried. I just want the truth to come out. There appears to be more to this story than what has hit the press so far.

    Keep tuned folks.

  • jr
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:22 p.m.

    Yes Buttars can express himself and has the right to freedom of speech but it scares the jeepers out of me when I hear his personal beliefs and then see that he is in a position to push them in the arena of Utah poltics. I am from West Jordan and no I don't like his arrogance and demeaning attitude of anyone who doesn't believe as he does. I am a member of the mainstream religion but desire to have my name removed as I don't want to be associated with a person that represents many with the same ugliness. No I did not vote for him or Waddoups - I do believe they are both very insecure men in their maleness

  • question?
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:23 p.m.

    So why is it that so many in Utah seem so hung up on the gay marriage thing?
    You appose it because homosexuality is a sin right? Well then should you not work just as hard to insure that smokers, drinkers, people that consume caffeine and especially those that worship another god or proclaim no belief in god (gasp) after hearing the message from marrying? Are they not also sinners? Do you not think they may raise little smokers, drinkers caffeine consumers and dare I say no believers?

  • question?
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:29 p.m.

    oops that is suppose to read oppose not appose, sorry, but it is kind of funny.

  • Sarah
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:52 p.m.

    I am a conservative, republican women, who until very recently lived on the west side of the Salt Lake valley. I find Chris Buttars vile and a bigot and wonder why on earth the West side folks still vote for him, election after election. His gay diatribes are outlandish and embarssing. His pity for the disabled is disgusting. They don't want his pity, but his understanding. However he thinks that children born with disabilities are a "tragedy". The real tragedy is that right wing, conservative republican people on the west side, are so deluded and ignorant of what is acceptable and what is not that they still vote for this creep.

  • I didn't see the lips move
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:02 p.m.

    That's an interesting photo showing Sen. Chris Buttars surrounded by members of the press before the Senate meeting at the Capitol on Friday.

    Why wasn't Gail Ruzicka sitting next to Buttars during this photo session? It's rare to see the Eagle Forum ventriloquist and her political puppet separated on stage.

  • Joe
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:12 p.m.

    Good for Buttars for speaking his mind!!! You don't have to agree, this country has free speech, remember?

    I agree with him, the gay community is evil and very vocal against those who don't like their lifestyle. I don't like what they represent and the way they try to push their views on the majority.

    We need more politicians like Buttars who are not afraid to call a spade a spade, or a gay lifestyle wrong and unacceptable. It is wrong and unacceptable, that's my view and I'm entitled to it. Welcome to America - like it or not - land of the free, because of the brave.

  • To: Free Thinker @ 9:33, Feb20th
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:40 p.m.

    "free thinker | 9:33 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 - Only in the regressive mind set of Utah do you have a politician who is this bigotted and idiodic. Shameful and even more so he was electec by the minions here 3 times."

    Hey "free thinker", why don't you just come right out and say it?....you hate Mormons and everything associated with them.

    Do you even begin to see the irony that the very hatred that you accuse us of having, you splashed all over YOUR very own post?

    Amazing, simply amazing....

  • Dan Maloy
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:47 p.m.

    "Anonymous | 9:42 a.m. Feb. 20, 2009 - UTAH Greatest Hate on Earth"

    Ah, here we go. Another fine example of the courage of Mr. Anonymous.

    Please, Sir/Ma'am, why don't you proudly stand behind your hatred? Afraid of being known by your friends and neighbors?

    Having done nothing wrong, I am not. To whoever really wrote this comment above, you are a coward.

    Dan Maloy

  • LDS leaders disgusted by Buttars
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:06 p.m.

    memo to Chris Buttars: your church doesn't want you talking about anything related to your religion. Why? You clearly are a distortion machine, an exaggeration factory, a fear monger, and a grumpy / angry old man who is so out of touch with reality (and fact, science, logic, reason, civility, communication skills, IQ) that your church wants you to shut up and go away. the LDS church's press release was short and sweet. (1) you have not handled this delicate issue appropriately, you lack civility and respect, and this is an important issue that needs careful consideration. (2) you do not speak for the LDS church. That is how I feel, too. As a conservative, card-carrying Republican, and weekly church attender, I am truly disgusted by Buttars and, more significantly, very angry at Waddoups & Co. for putting Buttars on a pillar and for empowering his twisted mind to run amok via public policy and public forums. We Republicans have a lot of work to do. The anger in this community, and the embarrassments we are taking on with the likes of these folks, is going to be a deep problem very soon.

  • Greg Geilmann
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:08 p.m.

    Most of the comments on this blog are persons validating thier own religous beliefs. They seem to not understand that church and state must be separate. Chris Buttars is a Utah State Senator. As a public servant of ALL people of Utah, he must keep his hate filled diatribes confined to the bully pulpit in his bully church.

    Mike Waddoups is complicit in this merging of church and state by not asking for Buttar's resignation.

    Buttars should be banished from State government and take his "free hate speech" back to his church where it belongs.

    Buttars and Waddoups are both another national embarrsement to the State of Utah.

  • slime
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:12 p.m.

    where are our elder statesmen? there is so little public trust in our "leaders." Please, DesNews, KSL, Dan Jones, conduct a comprehensive poll and show us what we already know--we expect more of our so-called leaders. We expect them to speak as leaders, with respect for others, recognizing the dignity of humans, speaking with civility, be less self-promotional and more with humility and a desire for understanding. Leaders must rise above and inspire the public's trust. The Republican Senate leaders are not leading. They are sliming up the place.

  • Terrorize him into apologizing
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:45 p.m.

    M M,

    "Freedom of speech is a given here. But when your words are so carelessly filtered that you embarrass and hurt, an apology is warranted."

    His words were carefully chosen and nothing he said was offensive except to those he condemns. He didn't say that all gays were like Muslim terrorists but instead compared radical gays who want to force same sex marriage on the majority to radical terrorists and had this to say "It's just like the Muslims. Muslims are good people and their religion is anti-war. But its been taken over by the radical side." He wasn't say all Muslims were bad or all gays were a threat to America instead he said that "radicals" were a threat to America.

    "You are arrogant if you think you have no apologies to make, and as I understand politics...humility goes a lot further with your constituency."

    No, you are arrogant if you think your comment isn't offensive to Buttars, his family and to those of us who agree with him. Nothing he said was out of line and this reaction is proof of what he said. You are terrorists.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:52 p.m.

    I have a cousin who is gay and he is a great person, but it doesn't change the fact that I think homosexuality is unnatural and very gross. Of course I am going to vote against it if given the chance. Doesn't mean I am a hater, but I don't agree with it. Things I don't agree with, get voted against. This man in office isn't the only one that doesn't agree with it, so I wonder if there are other issues. I don't know, but I find it interesting that this story got so many comments. Any church / anti church related thing gets lit up like crazy because people are so desperately trying to find something negative about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I honestly think the negative is going to work in a positive way for the church because more people are going to hear about it. So continue being negative, picketing, etc, because it will be a good thing for us in the end.

  • Problem solved-Neither of us can
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:02 a.m.

    moablondon,

    "Constitutionally gays also deserve protection in ALL rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that may be. Yet, at this current time we really dont have ALL those rights and protections."

    Gays have the same rights as everyone else. This is why people are upset. The idea that the definition of marriage needs to be changed to include their sexual orientation or it is discrimination and a violation of equal protection is ignorant. They are no more discriminated against than 20 and 25 year olds are discriminated against because they are denied the opportunity to be a U.S. Senator. Like the 20 and 25 year old who can become a U.S Senator at 30 like everyone else. Gays can marry a person of the opposite sex like everyone else or they can choose not to but the law doesn't give heterosexuals preferential treatment.

    "I ask those who use this word to evaluate their own rights, freedoms and protections and see how they might apply to the ALL of humanity, including those who are gay."

    Done. I can't marry a person of the same sex so neither can you. No discrimination.

  • Mel T.
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:12 a.m.

    My uncle is gay. The family all know, but don't speak much of it. Uncle Wink is generous, kind and a very good hearted individual. Last Halloween someone put a big sign on his front lawn saying " a gay lives here." You cannot believe the graffiti that was left on his car, mail box and even his driveway was written on with chalk. The point being, gays already have a hard enough time without some one like Buttars castigating them them in public.

  • Mark
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:29 a.m.

    I know the Fairness Doctrine was overturned by the FCC in 1987, but I think it was a great set of rules. It basically required that the media present both sides of a controversial issue of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable and balanced. This ruling allowed the civil rights movements to go forward, by requiring equal time to their ideas. Both sides should be considered in an equitable and balanced media, but this is no longer the case. I do not agree with what was said, and how it was said, but he should be able to express his opinion, and his supporters should be able to have an equal time in press to present their reasoning for their views on homosexuality. I am a liberal, but I too see a liberal slant in the news reporting media. Let both sides be represented equally and fairly or if/when the media becomes more conservative, you do not get the same respect.

  • Lucky he isn't my father jekk
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:35 a.m.

    Mel T.,

    "The point being, gays already have a hard enough time without some one like Buttars castigating them them in public."

    How many times must you be told that Buttars wasn't castigating homosexuals. He was castigating radical homosexuals who want to force their lifestyle on the American people by forcing the majority to recognize and grant legitimacy to their sexual orientation. He has every right to point out that these radicals are similar to terrorists because they are. They will use whatever tactics they feel necessary to cause people to be afraid to vote, hold public office or speak their mind if they dare to stand up to them.

    Your post is just another example. You refer to Buttars as "somone like Buttars." You mean like the husband that his wife loves, the father that his children look up to, and the grandfather that his grandchildren adore or do you mean someone who must be taught as lesson he will never forget and made to look the fool for daring to disagree with you and your uncle. Your hateful comments are over the top and I demand that you apologize to my family which you offended.

  • Me
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:13 a.m.

    Abraham Lincoln was engaged in a debate regarding the practice of slavery. This quote was how he answered the slave owner.

    "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?" The slave owner answered with five. President Lincoln replied, "Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

    I would say the same thing to the homosexual community. Saying that there is nothing wrong with the homosexual lifestyle, and that you should have the right to desecrate the institution of marriage, doesn't make it right.

    All your screaming, crying and clamoring for "equal rights" doesn't make it right. A tail is still a tail.

  • Hypocritical Liberals
    Feb. 22, 2009 5:27 a.m.

    They're all for "free speech" as long as it's politically correct and meets with their vision of the future. Buttars' comments are no where near the level of offensiveness that merit the action taken against him. Shame on the gutless republican leadership for cowing and bending to the God of Political Correctness!! Shame, shame shame! I don't know that I'd put Buttars out front to be a spokesman, but he is entitled to his beliefs and views, especially on moral issues!!!! I'm ashamed of Utah Republican House Leadership even more than I'm disgusted with liberal gay activists.

  • Hate mongers have
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:05 a.m.

    had enough "free speech"! Free speech isn't intended for them...it is intended for thinking individuals after carful consideration. "Free speech" is also different from the Separation of Church and State. Have all the free speech you want in the appropriate places, but where the speech infringes on a person's basic rights as a citizen (such as in racial hate speech) it will not be tolerated. You talk of liberals crossing the line when, in fact, it is hate mongers who cross the line in this situation. I'm not saying that liberals never cross that line, but in these situations of civil rights you are.

  • That's your opionion "Me"
    Feb. 22, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    As to whether you comapre a "tail" and a "Leg" to gay people. And by the way, they are not trying to "desecrate" marriage! In fact they are trying to support it!

  • Ka Boom
    Feb. 22, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    And the GOP continues to implode from within. Time to let the far right form their own party--they've destroyed the once-proud Republican brand.

  • @hypcritical liberals and others
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:04 p.m.

    "It happened not because he said a lot of things wrong, although I don't agree with some of the things he said, but because he decided to be the spokesman again when we had decided, as a caucus, and he had agreed, that he was such a lightning rod, that it wasn't productive for him to be the spokesman on this issue," Stephenson said.

    "We support the First Amendment for everyone, but part of that is taking accountability for what is said. What Buttars said disrupted the civil process, but he has the right to say what he wants," said Will Carlson, Equality Utah's manager of public policy.

    So the conservatives are squelching Buttars free speech and trying to blame it on the gay community, what a shocker. I agree with Equality Utah he has the right to say what he wants and frankly I love it when he talks he just hurts his own cause. You cant blame the gay community form capitalizing on his stupidly.

    PLEASE KEEP TALKING BUTTARS

  • Hate
    Feb. 23, 2009 11:51 a.m.

    Just because he blames some problems on a certain group of people for their choices, this constitutes as hate?! It is impossible for homosexual couples to reproduce their own children. That is harmful to society. Is that statement hate too?

    Good for Buttars for standing up for his values and for families. I'll vote for him again.

    -Mike in Sandy

  • Tony A.
    Feb. 23, 2009 12:11 p.m.

    The law does not require that we love everyone. The law allows us to hate others. As a general rule, I hate Mormons. A few I have met that I like. On the whole, I have few feelings one way or another about gays. Some I like, some I don't. I also tend to dislike pseudo-intellectuals (which IMHO includes Mormons).

    But the LAW requires that we give everyone equal protection. The LAW requires that we do not discriminate against people on the basis of characteristics that are irrelevant to the task at hand.

    The task at hand is marriage. Say what you want, but people marry for countless reasons, and the LAW allows that. Some people marry as part of their religious breeding program whereby they are trying to repopulate the earth with bodies for the countless spirit children of god. But that is not the ONLY reason to marry under the law.

    Hate whom you will or love whom you will. Nobody cares. This is not about hate. It is about the law. Don't EVER use the law to discriminate against others based on irrelevant characteristics. If you do, you make yourself UNAMERICAN!

  • Opus
    Feb. 24, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    ..And again we see the Utah senate for their true colors. Cowards.

    Buttars is an Embarrassment to all Humans. But if you agree with him, it stands that you would stand in the same circle that burned Crosses in the South for many years. I see know difference between them, and Buttars.

    So belly up to your Diet Cokes, and ponder what uneducated bigotry gets you.

  • Mccleod
    Feb. 24, 2009 5:44 p.m.

    To Opus.
    Again an idiot equating gay with being black.

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    To Joe | 10:12 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009

    Wow! --- I can't believe you have no understanding of what freedom of speech actually means ---

    Freedom of speech does not grant carte blanche to anyone --- to speak his/her mind.

    True, while people may have their biases and prejudices --- there are laws protecting others from any one person's "freedom of speech."

    Any one person's freedom, to be short, ends where the other person's freedom begins.

    We cannot be so limited in our scope as to believe we can speak our minds freely without repercusions ---

    If you believe the contrary --- there are certain limits to the freedom of speech ---a few come to mind

    * libel
    * slander
    * defamation of character
    * harrassment
    * depravation of other people's civil rights

    To be quite blunt, when it comes to freedom of speech --- does it surprise people like you --- that courts should step in to stop uninformed citizens such as you from making uninformed decisions such as yours at the voting booth?

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 6:06 p.m.


    To Anonymous | 11:52 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009

    It's so amazing to think people actually think that the picketing will actually be a good thing at the end.

    Really?

    This issue keeps being turned around and around --- everytime --- we see a new side ---- whether you agree or disagree ---

    * From the Hollywood media taking sides
    * To California legislature and courts soon to take the issue now with Prop 8
    * To Utah taking up issue with gay rights now
    * To Buttar
    * To disclosures about spending
    * To boycotts
    * And on, and on, and on

    I think, if I may --- the highlight of Pres. Hinckley's Presidency was to bring the Church into a positive light in the media.

    It now seems that some stubborn members are willing to go all out and take this issue to the breaking point.

    At that, for a positive light at the end.

    4 out 5 Americans have a negative view on the Church.

    And this will make it better?

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 6:13 p.m.

    To Anonymous | 11:52 p.m. Feb. 21, 2009

    You wrote:

    "I think homosexuality is unnatural and very gross."

    I think that comment, in and of itself does not have a valid legal argument.

    I think a number of things can be "unnatural and very gross."

    I think you are voting on the moral principle.

    Where is the legal principle?

    Many things which are legal are not moral and vice versa.

    Smoking is unnatural and very gross, as far as I'm concerned --- yet it is legal.

    I think what other people find "unnatural" should be left to whoever is doing it --- if it does not affect them.

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 6:22 p.m.

    Hate | 11:51 a.m. Feb. 23, 2009

    How are gays a threat to "traditional heterosexual" families exactly?

    Gays have been around ---- well, for a long time ---

    And the human species has not stopped.

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    To Me | 2:13 a.m. Feb. 22, 2009

    I believe you are going the way of defining marriage "as the sole union of one man and one woman."

    I will your argument ---

    President Lincoln said the line you quoted as calling "a tail a leg" ---

    Great --- we'll go with that argument and with that premise.

    1861-1865 --- I take it Pres. Lincoln said the quote somewhere in between those years.

    in 1861-1865 what did the country define as "marriage?"

    What was the LDS Church doing with polygamous marriages?

    By definition --- if you want to call marriage "one man and one woman" the 1861 definition did not fit the parameters of that definition.

    Seems to me like the definition was broadened to include "one man, many women"

    Was the LDS definition of marriage a tail or a leg in 1861?

    At that, I would venture to say that polygamous marriage, by those standards, was not necessarily "un-traditional," but only an extension of the word "marriage."

    Suddenly, it seems that Webster's is not good enough to define marriage.

  • Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 6:48 p.m.

    To Lucky he isn't my father jekk | 1:35 a.m. Feb. 22, 2009

    You wrote:

    "He was castigating radical homosexuals who want to force their lifestyle on the American people by forcing the majority to recognize and grant legitimacy to their sexual orientation. He has every right to point out that these radicals are similar to terrorists because they are. They will use whatever tactics they feel necessary to cause people to be afraid to vote, hold public office or speak their mind if they dare to stand up to them."

    I would hardly call gays' ability to marry marry or otherwise have the same rights that heterosexuals have a reason to say that they are forcing their lifestyle on the American people.

    Do gays suddenly want everyone to be gay?

    Is this the phobia that people have?

    Gays want to be themselves. We want to be us.

    I no more want to force my "lifestyle" as some would call it anymore on straight people than I wish a lot of straight people want to force their "straight lifestyle" on me.

    In fact, I believe it is quite the opposite.

  • Good Job Vince
    Feb. 24, 2009 7:01 p.m.

    I like your analogys! I certainly enjoy you more on this website than many other people. Keep it coming (on this post and others). You are good!

  • what
    Feb. 25, 2009 11:01 a.m.

    I Support Buttars Yes I DO!

  • Opus
    Feb. 25, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    To Mcleod ...

    Great show !

    the equation is a Bigot is a Bigot is a Bigot.

    As a Mormmon, married 3 chirldren, I have never seen the differnce between a Gay bigot, or a Racist Bigot. they are cut from the same cloth.

    But OF COURSE You and Buttars are more powerful than Jesus himself, you can draw the line in the sand, and throw the Fist Stone. Good show!

  • Al M.
    Feb. 25, 2009 11:41 a.m.

    Vince,
    You know that gays are out in left field and will not admit it. In the natural order of things, are there any animals that have sex with there own gender? Man is supposed to be of a higher life form than animals. Did you originate from a homosexual union. Just think about it Vince, Kev and you other old boys who insist on justifying a behavior that is not natural or justifiable. Please Vince, stay out in front so I can keep an eye on you.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 25, 2009 12:07 p.m.

    I think everyone here is forgetting about the REAL victims here..... how do you think the islamic groups feel about being compared to homosexuals? I think we should ask them...... I bet they'd be outraged!

    So terribly offended!

  • The only victim
    Feb. 25, 2009 12:27 p.m.

    The only victim in all of this nonsense is the freedom of speech.

  • To Al M.
    Feb. 25, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    Obviously you can't think about anything but procreation in relationships. But there are many more reasons that people want to be together. When our world's population was much smaller than today people obviously had to be concerned about this issue. Many people died early and so marriage was probably much more about this. We also did not have the capabilities we have now in science and in knowing about the different aspects of our world. But if you research you will find that a small percentage of humans have always been homosexual. The world still survived and it still will. Gay people are not trying to say that everyone should or will become like them. You and others act as if we can't have diversity on our planet and that we must all be the same or something is wrong. But you couldn't be more wrong!

  • Al M.
    Feb. 25, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    You have a point. I'm just not sure what it is. You and others on this board insist on calling gays a lower life form or worse. The God I pray to loves me as He loves you. What happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself?" I have no problem with people who are not gay, but they seem to have a huge problem with me from what I read on this board. I promise I will not effect or hurt you or your lifestyle in any way. Can you give me the same respect. I think the biggest problem for people who bash gays, is that they want everyone to be like them. You talk about life forms and species. Are you God's right hand helper? Do you have the right to judge and with harsh judgement no less. Peace Al M. I wish only the best for you. Also, I sure Van Goth loves you.

  • McCleod
    Feb. 25, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    You make no sense.
    You say you have never met someone who doesn't think that homosexuality is not the same as being another race?
    Well, now you have.

    Great show!

  • To Vince
    Feb. 25, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    Vince,
    You are quite a capable and logical fellow. I congratulate you for the most part. I agree that people want to be together for many more reasons than sex, especially older people. But, I still have a few questions.
    1-Is being gay the norm in our society?
    2-Is your form of marriage the kind that God intended, if you believe in God. If you don't, please strike that.
    3-What does the gay lifestyle contribute to the human race?
    4-Do you think being gay puts your health in question, when you need not?

  • 1st amendment for whom
    Feb. 25, 2009 9:56 p.m.

    The Constitution of the United States of America and the 1st amendment in it, are only to be used by Politically Correct people in the year 2009 (such as supporting Gays to do everything and anything). The rest of Americans, like myself and Buttars, will not be allowed to have free speech in this country. I think that just about sums up the state of decay we are in right now.

  • Gary Moore
    Feb. 26, 2009 8:02 a.m.

    Whether or not you agree with Butters opinions should not be the issue. The fact is that he is that he is a poor spokesman for those opinions. His propensity for making rash statements makes him a liability, period, therefore Republicans need to dump him, period.

  • Cultural Wars
    Feb. 26, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    This is the latest skirmish in the broader cultural wars going on since the free-loving 60's...and the flower children are now grandparents, and we're all reaping the whirlwind of their free-wheeling, free-loving and immoral drug-laden lifestyles by having raised their kids (or rather, failed to raise)..steeped in an anything goes attitude. A whole lot of us stand with Senator Buttars. Unfraid of political correctness and willing to speak his mind. Lives lived without God, without morals, without an anchor, are destined to be filled of angst, revilings, and ultimately, unhappiness. You can't do wrong and feel right. At the same time, we have compassion for people with same-gender attractions. But we cannot condone a lifestyle that undermines society and personal conduct which violates God's laws and dishonors the temple of their spirits or bodies, because the body and spirit are connected in ways we only begin to understand.