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Gays greatest threat to America, Buttars says

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  • I don't get it
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    Why do people continue to vote for this guy?

  • Patrick
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    I guess I kind of have to admire Sen Buttars for saying what he thinks rather than dance around the issue and try to be everything to everybody like the typical politician. Certainly, this is not a very popular thing to say and I am certain that he will take a lot of heat not just locally but nationally.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    most people have the discretion to be a lot more careful about when they say things and the way they say them. There are times when it is wise to speak and times when it's not. Buttars doesn't seem to know the difference.

    Buttars really needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut even if what he's saying is absolutely the TRUTH.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    At least someone has the guts to state the truth. Everyone is too worried about offending somebody else. It's about time that we quit worrying about that and worry about where "tolerance" is leading us. This whole gay rights issue is not about more tolerance, it is a shift in tolerance. They want me to be more tolerant of their beliefs yet at the same time are not tolerant of my beliefs because those beliefs do not tolerate theirs. It is a shift, not an expansion.

  • Buttars
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:08 p.m.

    Please stop reelecting this guy!

  • IMN
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:09 p.m.

    I'm a Republican delegate and I think he's nuts. What kind of world do we live in where Chris Buttars can win with getting over 60% at the convention and better moderate Republicans lose?

  • Michelle
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:11 p.m.

    Buttars should be removed from office. How many derogatory things is he going to say before he becomes accountable? He is so insensitive. If he doesn't agree with gay rights that is fine. But why does he have to say such offensive things? I am calling for his resignation.

  • Hold those judgments, Buttars
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:11 p.m.

    Some people believe Mormons are immoral or that they consider themselves superior to others or that they will destroy society as we know it. That doesn't make them right, and it doesn't mean that Mormons should be discriminated against.

    There's no question that those who act on their homosexual feelings don't share my personal morals, but that doesn't mean they don't have morals or that they are evil people determined to destroy our society. While I'm not in favor of gay marriage, I also think we need to resist the urge to turn our state into a theocracy, and we need to elect leaders who will resist that urge as well.

  • I Wonder
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:13 p.m.

    Me thinks he doth protesteth too much!

  • Kevin
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    I don't suppose the antagonists of homosexuals would agree that these comments are hateful.

  • Greg
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:22 p.m.

    "They don't want equality," he said, "They want superiority."

    Unfortunately, Senator Buttar's is exactly right. Activists want to silence, through laws, threats, and intimidation, every person and every church that believes and teaches that homosexual relations are morally wrong and destructive. They want to deprive every person and every church of the right to participate in compassionate services, such as adoption placement, unless they perform them contrary to their most deeply held beliefs. They want to teach our children in school that homosexual relations are acceptable.

    It's like tug-o-war. Activist want to gain ground with small steps, then dig in, then pull some more, then dig in, then pull some more, until they reach their ultimate goal. Their gains, however, would be at the expense of traditional marriage and family and the rights of free speech and free exercise of religion.

    Don't believe it? Look at what has happened and is happening in California, Massachusetts, Canada, and Europe.

    While Senator Buttars could be more diplomatic, I for one am grateful that he is standing up for traditional marriage and family, free speech, free exercise of religion, and traditional morals.

  • Selfish vs Selfless...
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    As much as his bluntness is offensive, his view is fairly accurate. What is this gay lifestyle, but the absence of any moral quality? Marriage is a contract to put the raising of children ahead of self-interest. It is a huge moral committment to family. And huge step away from selfishness. Gay lifestyle is a contract of selfishness, about doing everything for yourself. It is the anti charity. Marriage is one of the most selfless acts in society--the raising of children for ones entire life. The gay life style is one of the most selfish acts in society.

  • Reaper
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    The idiots in his disctrict must think just like him as they keep re-electing him. Does not matter which one of the Jordans they live in, he keeps getting the votes of the apparently like minded.

  • WILLIAM
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    Wow what kind of "senator" is this guy honestly to compare us in the gay community to "radical muslim"?
    honestly who does this guy think he is to spread hate through his words and then call himself a faithful mormon come on now this guy needs to be stopped.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:27 p.m.

    These blogs trying to compare and contrast gays and Mormons are fairly absurd. There is no moral comparison. It's silly.

    But, Buttars really does need to learn to be more discreet in his language.

  • I Love It!
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:30 p.m.

    It's obvious that the majority of his constituents share his views or he wouldn't get re-elected. I would vote for him if he were on my ballot. He says what he believes and doesn't worry about offending others with the truth. We are headed down a slippery slope as we keep trying to give more and more rights to gays. He calls it like he sees it and I agree. Gays are not necessarily bad people but but the decline of our society has begun all for the sake of "acceptance".

  • The Truth Hurts
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:31 p.m.

    I completely agree with Buttars and I believe most of Utah agrees with him but you won't see them backing him as much as you'll see the other side opposing him. We have to step up to keep a moral society or we will lose it all.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    It is comments like this that make me ashamed to live in Utah.

  • Got news for you....
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    It is more than just mormons who don't support the gay lifestyle. Frankly, I am tired of people always blaming the mormon church. Guess what, the Pope for the Catholic church doesn't support it either. Why doesn't that ever get discussed???? Gay lifestyle is hurting the american family. I support Buttars.

    Just bet that DN won't print this commment!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    I just hope this makes it on the Colbert Report like last time he came out with his crazy rhetoric.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    Would I want one of my kids to turn out gay? no

    But try as I might, I don't see how they are a threat. How are they a threat?

  • Voice of Reason
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:40 p.m.

    Homosexuality is no more wrong than having blue eyes. I love who I love. As long as that is another consenting adult why should it matter to you or Senator Buttars?

  • Bob
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    Anyone who believes the Bible will also believe that homosexuality is wrong. It is wrong because it has serious adverse consequences, both for the individual and for society. I think Senator Buttars is right on this issue. Since the gay community has little moral support for their actions, they will not stick to the issue, but must vehemtly attack anyone who says what they are doing is wrong. I don't think Senator Buttars hates gay individuals, but only what they are doing to society.

  • Deocate
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    What's a Deocate?

  • Spencer
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    I love it! It was Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve! I have met Chris Buttars multiple times and the man has morals! He states what he believes. Just because the world is going downhill doesn't mean that we should. God's standards will not move, why should ours? I feel that being a homosexual is a hard struggle and some people are born with these tendencies. I understand that. Some people are born with the tendency to drink. My brother is an alcoholic, just because some people are born with a tendency to do something bad doesn't make it right!

  • Freedom of speech
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:52 p.m.

    Learn about it! Please

  • RoR
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:54 p.m.

    Thank heavens someone has the guts to speak their mind. I hope he doesn't apologize for what most of us already know. When are the majority going to stand up for their beliefs and not be apologetic? Gays have an "in your face" attitude. Will I think it is about time those who disagree with them take the same attitude.

  • Who's selfish?
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:55 p.m.

    Wow, it always kills me when someone thinks being gay is the ultimate act of selfishness - I seem to hear it more and more. Since when has simply living your life as who you are been considered selfish? Real selfishness is having access to every right afforded by law and the power to deny it to others just because you don't agree with them.

  • Mike Tea
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    I agree with Bob.

  • Jon
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:57 p.m.

    Kudos to Rep Buttars for saying that. I do not hate anyone that is gay, I hope to never hate anyone for any reason, I try to be Christlike. It is not hateful for me to disagree with the gay life style. I know that it is immoral, so do gays (even though many will never admit that). I know that some have legit temptations but need to fight them. I have temptations when I see pretty women, but I fight them because I love the Lord and my wife and family. We are not biological specimens that just react to whatever comes along. Remember this please that A SOCIETY THAT PERMITS ANYTHING WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE EVERYTHING.

  • Lost Values
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    The problem with our entire society is we have lost our moral compass and want to do away with moral values.....Frankly, it is rare to see any politician have the courage to call it as he sees it. Calling sin a sin is tough on sinners.

    When have you see behavior that is self-indulgent is there really hope for caring for others??? If you dislike this man, don't vote for him. At least you know how he feels. Compare this to those who say one thing to get elected, then never deliver...

  • Brooke
    Feb. 18, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    Thank Goodness for someone who is not afraid to say it. Gays do not represent normal society. Families require a mother and a father ( if possible). That's what Grandma used to say. Immorality breeds unhappiness. It's time to stand up and be counted for what is right. Thank You Mr. Buttars.

  • oh no he didn't
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    oh yes he did. isn't this the third strike for the "good" senator? what an embarrassment.

  • @Buttars speaks the truth
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:01 p.m.

    Careful calling someone a sodomite - chances are you've done things that would also classify you as one too.

    But of course then it wouldn't be anybody else's business, would it.

  • antigay
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:03 p.m.

    Buttars is right all the way.

  • Anoymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:04 p.m.

    Sad but true.

  • Eagle Forum
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    Wow, the last 20 comments sound like a regular Eagle Forum meeting.....

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    Showing his true colors and charging into a mine field trip line, Buttars launches into even greater national notoriety while the balance of shocked Utah residents are tainted and dragged along with him. Views can differ on the gender issue, but civility and attempt at understanding is quite another matter. Mr. Buttars (7x7)(again and again) please! mind your manners. As a legislator, what a major league embarrassment and(fallen)humpty dumpty novelty.

  • Richard Noel
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:14 p.m.

    Chris Buttars and more Utahns than not need to eximine there faith and their love of others.
    I am so sick and tired of seeing religion pretend to be the "Beacon" of light and love for all humanity, when in reality it tears humanity apart at the seems.

    If God lives, and has the same opinion as Buttars, then I am better off in hell, you would find more hope, love, and charity there then in that mystical hateful place that Buttars and many Utahns call heaven.

    We are at the beigging of the next civil rights movement. I know where I would have stood during MLKs day, and I know where I stand now.

  • Stand strong Senator Buttars
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:18 p.m.

    Senator Buttars, We support you in your position. We are definitely for traditional marriage between a man and a woman and realize that anything different than that will tear down the moral fabric of this nation. Continue to stand strong for good Christian morals. We applaud you!

  • A
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:18 p.m.

    I am new to Utah and am astonished that comments like this are tolerated at all. I am not gay (have been married 17 years) but have many friends that are. I think people like Chris Buttars needs to get to know some gay people - not just talk about them. No wonder people gave me their condolances when they found out I was moving here!!

  • Mind your own business
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:19 p.m.

    During Christ's lifetime the lepers were considered "unclean" and were society's outcasts. In our time society's outcast are greater in number and there are more identifiable gourps; but, they are outcasts all the same. Christ healed the leper with his touch showing how he cared for and loved the outcast. In all your sanctimonious blather do you ever stop to wonder why you care about the lifestyle of someone else. Being homosexual is not perverse and not a choice. It is not contagious and some of the most moral people I've known were gay. BTW -- I'm straight.

  • Tab L. Uno
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:19 p.m.

    What amazes me about all this local media event is how local it truly is. The day after the big media splash, no major media coverage hit the internet - not Washington Post, not CNN, not USA Today, nor MSNBC. No national media coverage - a non-event. What a surprising statement on the non-importance of this blip on the media stage. It seems that the rest of the country has just passed our State by and continues with the rest of the important issues of the day. Perhaps Satan and the Devil have taken over the rest of the world and we just haven't heard about it.

  • Albemar
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:20 p.m.

    Chris Buttars the voice of Utah!

    He represents all of Utah, but is actually elected by the people of Herriman, South Jordan and a sliver of West Jordan in which he lives.

    He only gets re-elected, because the represents what Utahns believe. It is not pretty, but it is true.

  • Real discussion
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:23 p.m.

    1- I think he is stupid.
    2- I don't think he will get elected next time.
    3- I think he is right.
    4- I think it is about time we have some honesty in our legislature.
    5- I don't think it will happen
    6- It is a shame we can't have that real dicussion
    7- Why?????
    8- The politically correct police will attack.
    9- I think he is stupid again because he knows they will.
    10- I wish somebody with a little more tact would approach these issue and have a real discussion.

  • Bread and Butters
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    For once I agree with this guy! It will probably never happen again.

  • @Real Discussion
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    I hate to have to remind you, but I think the folks behind the "Common Ground" initiative were trying to have a real discussion - and look what it's gotten them: Name calling and fanatical accusations from Buttars. Buttars (and most of the State legislature) have absolutely no interest in ever having a real discussion - on this subject or any other they disagree with.

  • Butters the Man
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:33 p.m.

    Vote for Butters...That would be the sign in front of my house if he was ever running in my city. To all you people who have such a big problem with the way this state sees homosexuality you are always free to leave. And don't let the door hit you on your way out

  • Joyce
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    What's really scary is that most of his constituents agree with him.

  • I don't....
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    support their lifestyle and political agenda but to liken them to the "Radical Muslims?" That is way way out of line. Think before you speak sir....

  • @LGBT start their threats...
    Feb. 18, 2009 5:53 p.m.

    Teach your children whatever you want concerning homosexuality, but I can guarantee you one thing - if they're gay, they're gay...... and all the condemnation, faith, and fasting and praying in the world won't change it.

  • LOVE
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    I don't even know what to type. This all just seems so sad to me. Can't we all just get along? Maybe love each other just for the simple fact that we really are all one and we're in this together? It'd be nice. It should be easy... especially for those who are truly striving to be "Christ-like". I can't imagine Christ speaking in such a hateful way. One day maybe people will stop spreading hate (which is certainly evil) and thinking they are doing a "good" thing in the eyes of God. Talk about a threat... Talk about something equal to religious extremists.. Hate is way scarier than homosexuality.

  • Ok
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:05 p.m.

    I am homosexual. I dont agree with Butters, but considering the hatefual way gay zealots (such as the HRC) responded to Prop 8, Butters comments proabably ring true for many people and I am embarassed at my "spokspeople" for handing him the ammo.

  • Joe Stewart
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:09 p.m.

    I think all the posters that come on here so convinced that the gay community is evil should at least have the courage to use their real names when they come on hear and spot their lies. At least Buttars has that much going for him. If you are so sure you are right use your real names so your grandchildren can look back with pride at your bigotry like the grandchildren of those that supported segregation can look back with such pride. (Sarcasim intended)

  • The Bible
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    The bible also says one can stone his wife to death and sell his daughter. Quit quoting that book as some kind of backup for devisive rhetoric!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:14 p.m.

    Greg said it best....and I'm not from Utah.

  • gp
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:42 p.m.

    We need to elect more persons with the moral courage and values like Sen Buttars, I don't think he is offending anybody, he just exercing his constitutional right to speak his mind. Since the Gays got slap in California they are just trying to throw there nasty agenda on the family values.I can see a lot of his own political parties afraid to stand like him starting with our dear Governor.

  • @LGBT start their threats.......
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:43 p.m.

    As a gay man, whether you hate me or like me is beside the point. Without even knowing me you've already passed judgment on me. Would knowing this help? I pay my taxes, make regular contributions to charitable organizations, and volunteer in our community. I'm happy, healthy, and well-adjusted. I'm in a 25 year commited relationship, my partner and I are a postive influence in our nieces and nephews lives and we're respected by our family, friends and neighbors. I pay my bills on time, always buy AMERICAN FIRST, have never bounced a check and when when my grandmother became ill I took 2 1/2 years off work so my partner and I could care for her. Other than who I've committed my life to, am I really all that different from you? Are my life and investments less valuable than yours and unworthy of civil protections? I have faith that one day my partner and I will have equal protection under the law, because everyday more and more people are coming to the realization that instead of being a threat to society we're actually a contributing part of it.

  • @stop the bigotry from the gays
    Feb. 18, 2009 6:59 p.m.

    Funny how perspective works, I think it really depends on which side of this issues you are on as to how you view these threads and intrusions into people's rights. Try being a little less ego centric and you may see that people on both sides (including Buttars) can be quit oppressive. Buttars and his colleagues made sure that the common ground bills proposed this year never even had a chance to be debated in the full senate, so be careful where your point those accusations of restricting freedom of speech.

  • @6:43 P.M.
    Feb. 18, 2009 7:02 p.m.

    careful you may become a real person to them then they may have to actually treat you as....dare I say it......Human.

  • @gp
    Feb. 18, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    so gp why is it alright for Buttars to shut down the free speech of others by deciding the common ground bills should be shot down before they ever get a fair hearing in the full senate or house? you and your friends try to claim the LGBT community is trying to shut down your free speech, explain why it is alright for Buttars to do.

  • These hateful pro gay comments
    Feb. 18, 2009 7:51 p.m.

    They say it all. They stand as a memorial of foam at the mouth hatred from gays whenever anybody dares express their opinion that homosexuality is wrong or that gay marriage hurts children. The gay activist community has really lost credibility in their "I'm for free speech and equal rights" propaganda. They would viciously stamp out the right for Americans with diferent value judgments to express their opinion.

  • Regular guy
    Feb. 18, 2009 7:55 p.m.

    I support gay rights, but I also support free speech, even for folks in the public eye, believe it or not. Keep speaking your mind, right or wrong, Mr. Buttars, that's what America is about.

  • These hateful pro gay comments
    Feb. 18, 2009 10:12 p.m.

    why dont you try taking a stap at actually answering the question asked by 7:08 P.M. I noticed the thread has kind of died since then.

  • 10:12 P.M. poster
    Feb. 18, 2009 10:20 p.m.

    sorry that was suppose to be @These hateful pro gay comments

  • So?
    Feb. 18, 2009 10:26 p.m.

    Aren't people allowed their freedom of thought regardless of who it affects? So who really cares how he feels and how you feel? Just because he feels different than what you feel doesn't make him the "bad" guy. All Buttars' has become is the "whipping boy" for various organizations who need to find somebody to whip and make themselves feel good. Leave him alone. If people don't kile him they won't vote for him. Simple. In the mean time go and find something else to call news.

  • Free Speech Forever
    Feb. 18, 2009 11:14 p.m.

    Many people believe that homosexuality is wrong - deal with it. They have an absolute right to their beliefs and to express them - regardless of their origin. Questioning their motives or their "hidden desires" is irrelevant and smacks of heterophobia. Calling them names or threatening them is irrelevant and childish and smacks again of heterophobia. I applaud Senator Buttars for speaking his mind - a lot of people feel the same way and you've only just begun to hear our voices.

  • Maggie
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:16 a.m.

    I'm trying very hard to be 'tolerant' of Mr. Buttars but some times he is so hard to tolerate. You know, he's radical and mean. So I guess all have to just accept that he doesn't believe or feel the sames things that I do.

  • Gregory Peterson
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:31 a.m.

    Bigotry, racism, slander, scapegoating, conspiracy/ hate mongering are "The Truth?" It's not Gay people who worry me.

  • Vince
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:51 a.m.

    It is a sad day in America when elected officials can make statements like that without repurcusions.

    Sad too --- when people take their bigotry into the voting booth.

    If people say that gay marriage is not being homophobic, it is exactly comments like these ---

    and of those who follow with such things as...

    praises to "saying it like it is"

    That is bigotry.

    If people will hold their religious views it is one thing, but to defame another group, in the name of morality is hateful.

  • Buttars Will Get My Money
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    I don't live in his district but I would donate for his campaign. He is a little strange at times (at least that's the way he comes off in the media) but moderates (like me) would get RUN OVER by the obnoxious liberals without the far right countering them - Buttars is needed to even out the extreme weirdos on the other end of the scale.

  • GK from England
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:15 a.m.

    Speaking the truth is never popular...just look at history! Well done Senator Buttars for speaking out against the Gay Community who want to silence everyone who disagrees with their strange lifestyle while they shout and scream and try to physically stop others who express their democatic right to freedom of speech...remember the attempts to raid the Mormon LA Temple by a crowd of gays and their supporters. They are willing to commit crime in order to achieve their aims and that's exactly what radical Muslims are prepared to do...hence his reference to both groups!!!

  • CB
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:38 a.m.

    Bet if they printed some of the things spray-painted on churches by the homo's about those who don't agree with their choice of life style it wouldn't be so pretty either. Probably very offensive, nasty, and judgmental. Wonder how many of their places of business have been targeted, offensive calls received, names published?
    It's called free speech and it should be available for both sides of the argument not just for that 1% of the population.

  • Heartbroken
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:53 a.m.

    I clicked on this article to see what Senator Buttars had actually said in the documentary. I am so sorry I did. As the LDS mother of a beloved gay son, I am so saddened to hear my son labeled as a "mean bugger", and all the other epithets Buttars threw out there. But Senator Buttars is no more heartless than many of the posters here. It is one thing to respectfully disagree on an issue, but quite another to applaud and even celebrate statements and attitudes which cause others so much pain. I am feeling more and more that my family is not welcome in this community.

  • sundial
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:54 a.m.

    What happened to "judge not, lest ye be judged?"

  • CP
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:13 a.m.

    I have to agree with Patrick @ 4:00pm on Feb. 18.

  • CP
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:21 a.m.

    I have read alot of comments on this article and most of them are in agreement with Sen. Chris Buttars. I think it's awesome that he's not afraid to say what's on his mind and to stand up for what is right. It seems that those who do stand up for what's actually right end up getting alot of flack for it. I wish the gov. of the State of Utah would follow the example. Huntsman is getting very lax in that area and seems to be just following the crowd for popularity. (I'm curious if this will get posted).

  • THEeyepatch
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:46 a.m.

    It's about time someone has to guts to speak their mind about this issue. He has every right to say what he thinks. These groups want equal rights and to be able to speak their mind, but if you say something about them they call for your resignation or just start an uproar over something thats a mediocre subject. Their some real problems in this world and in this country. I wish their were more public officials that are not trying to please everybody. Especially the ones that didn't vote for you. Speak your mind. Political Correctness will eventually destroy this country. You should not be scared to say what you think, no matter who it offends. Its an abomination[the gay lifestyle] as far as I'm concerned and it is a perversion, but as humans we take something simple and make it complicated because nothing is black or white, just a shade of gray...please!

  • grundle
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:13 a.m.

    This is becoming too transparent. Even the blind can see what is happening here. So many times I have wondered if there truly is an "agenda" among the gay/lesbian community and now I am convinced.

    Proposition 8, Attacks on the LDS Church, door to door pumpkin bread campaign in Buttar's district, Common ground initiatives, attacks on anything Buttars touches, and now, Just as the legislative session is wrapping up and the bills are stalling in committees, a year old "documentry" comes to light where Buttars views are expressed, like it is any big surprise, all at a crucial time.

    Look at where the noise is coming from.

    I do not speak to the typical posters here, but rather appeal to the readers of these posts that will know what I am talking about.

    The church of the devil will fight against the church of the lamb. Good will be called evil and evil good.

    Rise up people and let your voices be heard!

    To the LDS church, Rise from your slumber and let your voice be heard. These are the times foretold. This is part of the battle.

    Speak up! Do not be silent!!!

  • Dale
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:22 a.m.

    Wow, I guess we can stop worrying about al Qaeda, islamofascists, Iran, North Korea, the economy, the national debt, and all the other things our politicians are worrying about.

    Gays are the biggest threat. Come on Bittars, geto out of your Utah bubble and get some perspective.

    Gay people actually happen to be productive members of our society whether you choose to accept it or not.

    They worry about whether they are going to get layed off today, paying the mortgage, and living their lives just like you and me.

  • I Agree
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:37 a.m.

    I agree with him.

    When he stands before Heavenly Father and gives his final report he can say that as a government official he tried to protect the rights and laws of the constitution and the lives of the Innocent.

    We now have several states that recognize gay marriage.

    And you wonder Why this wonderful country is about to go under?

    Those that have eyes to see let them see,
    and ears to hear,
    Let them hear.

  • Going down?
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:53 a.m.

    I think heteros go down as much as gays do, just differently. I think America has been 'going down' for many years, almost as many as the French.

  • It's called freedom of speech
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:16 a.m.

    It doesn't matter whether you like what some says or not, it's called the freedom of speech and no apologies are needed. You wouldn't even be reading this story if it were not this basic right to say what's on your mind. Even the gays or blacks are allowed to mouth off because of this right so what makes them think they have the right to tell others to shut up? This and other posts are based on this right of free speech, which also includes freedom to thoughts. It iritates me that some seem to think that only their view point is allowed and being politically correct is all about suppressing the freedom of speech. There are no restrictions on freedom of speech, otherwise a lot of great people in history would have never been heard, like Martin Luther King to cite one for the blacks. The term 'politically correct' should be erased from thought and mind. It's suppressive to freedom of speech and it has no place in this country.

  • vleoralv
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:21 a.m.

    Hey I Wonder, "Me thinks he doth protesteth too much"! I think so too.

  • Thank You Equality Utah...
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:47 a.m.

    and Chris Buttars! You have proved to the world what those of us in Utah already knew. Next time you try to take gay people's rights away, don't be surprised if no one believes your propaganda.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:00 a.m.

    I admire Buttars for his honesty. He may not be eloquent in his delivery, but he is right about the gay agenda. The gay agenda is a religion and has shown such intolerance for any group that "infringes" on thier so-called rights, that they are a great threat to American society and values. I wouldn't quite put them as high on the list as terrorism as Buttars did. Gays aren't out to kill--just convert the populace through "tolerance" to their line of thinking.

  • Hypocrites
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:04 a.m.

    I cannot believe the comments posted. Gay people's lives selfish??!! How do you justify and quantify that? The ONLY difference between gays and straights is who they chose to love. We work, contribute to society, raise funds for charities, and NOT just for HIV/AIDS charities. We contribute to the economy, we add beauty through art. Hmmm...sounds just like everyone else who is a viable and morally sound person. Contrary to comments, we DON'T want superiority. Yes, people, churches, and everyone has the right to speak their minds. What is NOT right is to speak hate and outright ludicrous defamation.

  • THE Voice of Reason
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:08 a.m.

    Buttars opinion was the evaluation a certain type of sexual behavior not the judging of any individual person. All sexual behavior is preceded by a choice of whether or not to engage in it but it's clear that not all behavior is created equal. The only "hate" that seems to be on the table here is found in the catty comments the homosexual jihadists and their enablers are directing to Buttars.

  • neato
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:08 a.m.

    I am a stand up comedian and this guy is priceless. I don't even have to work up a sweat writing new material. Where do I send him roses and flowers................ opps.

    guy here.

  • Way to speak out!
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:10 a.m.

    The majority voted him into office. So, the majority must agree with him. He has the right to express his opinion and in this case, he may be right. Waco people who disagree with a statement immediately call for resignation. It's hilarious.

  • dj
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:12 a.m.

    I am not ashamed of living in Utah, not blaming Buttars' district, or gay activists...
    But wow, Buttars is an embarrassment. So is Biden for the same reasons. Free speech, of course. Mine says he is an embarrassment.

  • Shame on Utah
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:15 a.m.

    Louisiana had it's David Duke and Utah has Chris Buttars. The only difference is that Louisiana had the moral courage to get rid of their bigot.

  • @6:43
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:27 a.m.

    I agree with almost everything you listed as being good things to do. But many right things don't make a wrong thing alright. I also disagree with one of the things you listed as being a good thing you do. Being gay is a very bad example to the rest of your family around you, and all the other good you do does not change that. No matter how good you try and be in all those other areas it does not make the bad things you do any better.

  • Thanks the the peace of mind
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:31 a.m.

    "Gays greatest threat"

    If he's right, we are in better shape than I thought. The economy, lackluster education in public schools, nuclear threat, terrorism won't be much of a problem then if he's right. (all these will give us less problems than the gays are giving us)

    Thanks Mr. Buttars, I can be more at peace now.

  • jr
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:43 a.m.

    Would some one tell me what the gay life style has done to harm our society? I hear all these claims but I see no proof. No I don't support gay adoptions or marriage per say but I do beleive they should have civil rights in unions etc. I see more adultery and incest in the so called sacred marriages. One comment made about marriage is a selfless act why then are nannies raising children and both parents are working and neglecting the children of the so called marriage and family values?

  • I guess if....
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:43 a.m.

    AG Eric Holder can call us "white folks" a bunch of cowards, then I can live with a politician making such comments as these about gays and lesbians.

    However, my personal advice to both Holder and Buttars is "engage brain before mouth". I do not agree with either's comments, but under our Constitution, so far, both has a right to say such things.

  • Not my real name
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:52 a.m.

    People don't use their real names in discussions like this because they actually fear retribution.

    The gay community's demands of resignation demonstrate the very point Buttars was making...

    The reaction to Prop 8, acts of domestic terror, a complete disregard and dismissal of traditional values, villifying any dissenting voices, disregarding the will of the people for self-righteous judicial dictatorships, the indoctrination of the children, agenda driven entertainment, repeated crying wolf of oppression to people who are the most privileged in America already, fabricated victimization, equating oneself with true bigotry, and heavy-handed ad campaigns mischaracterizing the opposition has yieled a field full of bitter fruits.

    Yep. Things look pretty bad... and is it any wonder folks who feel villified don't want to use their real names?

  • I;ll tell you why
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:58 a.m.

    he gets relected. It is because many many many Mormons agree with him. Most have the political sense to be quiet and the rest pretend to be tolerant when in reality they share his feelings. The battle in California brought out the LDS homophobics big time. It was scary.


  • uncannygunman
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:00 a.m.

    Shameful.

  • Good Grief
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:06 a.m.

    Butters has about as much sensitivity as a drunk sailor on shore leave. The man needs to put a cork in it. And "boo hoo" the gay community is offended. Grow up! If everybody stop giving this man attention he just be another bigot.

  • Call it like it is!
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:21 a.m.

    Courage to say it like it is. We are slipping past a point of no return. Think back people to 20 years ago. See where we have come to. Chris Buttars is absolutely right. This is something that will destroy our nation.

  • Dan
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:22 a.m.

    You're not alone in how you feel, Senator, although you may at times feel as if you're alone in this morally-bankrupt society. I support you and your correct views on homosexuality, and so do many others.

  • Ridiculous man
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:25 a.m.

    I'm a women, married to a man for 30 years, and I do not understand how this guy got reelected. What a shameful thing for Utah to have him as a spokesperson in our government.

  • Tom
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    I guess Buttars could learn from Obama and make comments designed only to futher his politcal ambition which promote the radical views he really believes. President Obama could care less about the masses who worship him as demonstrated by the way he refuses to help his poverty stricken brother and aunt. Since he refuses to take care of them; why will he look out for you? Too bad Obama doesn't have the courage of Buttars by saying what he trully believes, if he did Hillary would have won the election and be our president.

  • Cambridge
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:30 a.m.

    I have supported such measures as Proposition 8 on religious grounds and on Constitutional grounds, considering the freedom to practice my religion as I see fit to be a down-the-line hazard of the so-called "gay agenda." I may be wrong on the latter point, but it represents my best judgment, so that's how I vote. All that said, these are pretty far out comments by Buttars.

  • Courage
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:33 a.m.

    It's about time that people stop bowing down before the altar of equality, like the Governor does just to boost tourism. Buttars speaks what he believes, thank God for the First Amendment and for this country. If we lived in a country where the government didn't allow him to say what he believes, I guarantee that same government would be less than "tolerant" of gay people. He has convictions and courage, and anyone who is mad at him for speaking what he believes is a hypocrite.

  • Are these posts for real?
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:36 a.m.

    Funny how a crazy, racists/prejudiced man can make completely assinine and derrogitory comments about homosexuals, actually comparing them to radical muslims, and Utahn's are agreeing with him? I'll bet if someone had made similar comments except replaced "gays" with "Mormons", the guy would have been halled off to the nut house before the interview was over. Utahn's love free speech, as long as it agrees with their beliefs. Yes, this old crazy has the right to say what he wants, fortunately we live in a society where comparing a group of Americans who pose no real "threat", other than to insecure people, should not be tolerated, especially when this person has a leadership role in politics.

    I believe we are currently still at war with "Radical Muslims", Mr. Butters are you suggesting a military campaign to oust the threat from the homosexual community? If you and your beliefs are threated due to another group of humans who live a different lifestyle perhaps the problem lies with you sir.

    And to drone-minded Utahn's, you continue to embarrass us citizens who have tolerance for others, wasn't that the basis for the LDS church?

  • sll
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    Thank goodness! Homeland Security can sleep at night now, knowing gays and not extremists from outside the country are our biggest threat.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:40 a.m.

    Buttars certainly isn't the most tactful guy in the world, but I'm having a hard time seeing where he said anything that isn't totally accurate.

    All you have to do is look at the history of civilization to see that whenever homosexuality becomes practiced and accepted as normal and morally equivilant, THAT civilization quickly crashes and goes into oblivion.

    That may not be a popular view. It is just a fact. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  • Stand for what is right
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:42 a.m.

    This man is one of the few with the courage to stand up for what is right.
    Alexander Pope warned about just such an issue as "gay rights"
    Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
    As, to be hated, needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
    We first endure, then pity, then embrace.
    I see the pattern here and agree with Buttars

  • Norm
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:42 a.m.


    His statements are ridiculous and ignorant. But who voted for this fellow.....the fine people of Utah thats who.
    I fear that in the LDS world we are creating a religious society in and out of Utah that sometimes is bigoted and small minded. I personally believe that bigotry in any form is ugly and detrimental to our world much more than homosexuality ever is capable of being. I also believe that far too many "people" not "leaders" within Mormonism are finding a place for their small minded and abusive attitudes within our faith. What might help? Something very dramatic and actually prophetic! Move church headquarters outside of Utah, and have a percentage of church leadership actually representative of the church growth internationally. When this eventually occurs, and it will, diversity will flourish and bigotry will end within our culture. I hope to see this happen in my lifetime so that Joseph Smiths vision of church growth will occur. In reality we are still only "Scratching the Surface" of potential church membership worldwide. I love the church and Utah but I believe that both can survive this important eventuality.

  • Embarassed
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:43 a.m.

    As a temple-worthy Mormon, I am absolutely ashamed and embarrassed by the words and deeds of Senator Buttars.
    I hope the world does not judge all Mormons on the image that he projects.
    He is an aberration, and I wish he would just go away.
    L. Jensen
    SLC

  • Thank you!!!!
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:47 a.m.

    Thank you for calling a spade a spade. We need people that aren't afraid to speak the truth. Gays and Lesbians don't rule the world and need to go back in their closet. I don't tell everyone what my sexual orientation is, why do they have to tell theirs? Mr. Buttars, keep up the good work and the rest of us need to lovingly promote the truth.

  • DrW
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:49 a.m.

    Time marches on -- how long until we have a gay president of the United States? And just as Obama forgave the redneck bigots -- so will the civilized world forgive the mindless homophobes.

  • Dan
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:56 a.m.

    Buttars is not very tactful but what he says is true. Homosexuality is immoral and it has helped to destroy civilizations in the past. From the reactions it appears they are getting what the want, acceptance of the lifestyle as normal and good.

  • GWB
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:57 a.m.

    "Call it like it is!" I ask you, when you say "Think back people to 20 years ago. See where we have come to. Chris Buttars is absolutely right. This is something that will destroy our nation."

    Sounds kind of like people back in the 1800's and early 1900's all the way up to 1960 when people said recognizing blacks as equals to whites was going to destroy this country.

    Even 50 years ago, people suggested that allowing interracial marriage was going to destroy this country.

    You are living in the past and along with Buttars, this will also be recognized as a dark mark on the history of America.

  • mikey mike
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:59 a.m.

    Butters? Pro. gay Butters? Pro. gay--- I wish more
    elected officials would voice there true beleives
    instead of what they think we want to hear. Go Butters, freedom of speech. If Gays truly beleive in
    what their doing is right they shouldnt care what
    people say. Maybe deep in their heart they know they
    are wrong.

  • Thanks Embarrassed
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:01 a.m.

    I am NOT a temple worthy Mormon, or actually a Mormon at all, but as a Utahn now, I hope that all Utahns aren't judged by this man's appearance.

    I travel plenty for work, and Utah's image, in various forms is far more bad than good.
    This can't help.
    Mike on Wasatch

  • Jorge
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    Dig a bit deeper and you will see the similarity. Senator Butters pointed that out.

  • Mc
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:03 a.m.

    Throughout time those who have dared to declare that sin is sin and call people to repentance have been hated and reviled. Sen. Buttars, you are in good company.

  • Instereo
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    If Butters represents what the people really think, then we're in trouble. But I don't think he does. He represents a very narrow minded group of haters who want their views pushed on us by government. That's what's really scary.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:04 a.m.

    The very elect will be deceived

  • A UTAHN AGAINST BUTTARS VIEWS
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    THIS IS YOUR VOICE, UTAH.. IF YOU ACCEPT IT, DO NOTHING... IF YOU DONT ACCEPT IT, THEN JUST DO IT, SOMETHING, ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING TO MAKE EVERYONE KNOWN OF YOUR OWN OPINIONS. PLEASE.

  • Talmage
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    This is more of an issue today about courage than gay's or the secularization of America. Chris Butters has the courage to stand up, state his name and speak his mind on issues in which he really believes while allowing all others the same privilege. When did that become innapropriate in America?

  • Oh Ye
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    Hypocrites, "What is NOT right is to speak hate and outright ludicrous defamation." You mean like the Gay community has done with the LDS church because it and it's members defended their religious freedom to practice and believe what the feel is morally correct.

  • Why I have no problem w/ this 1
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:06 a.m.

    He didn't call names (there are plenty of derogatory terms he could've used and didn't).

    He simply shared his position on the morality of homosexuality.

    Although many will be offended by his position, he's elected because of his opinions and should share them (although there are better ways to do it).

  • Roger S.
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:07 a.m.

    When something is true, it needs to be said. It's good to have someone like Chris Buttars around to say what many people are too afraid to say.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:08 a.m.

    The great thing is that Buttars will soon represent a lot of us on a mission.
    How is that for irony?

  • Bigotry only goes one way
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Are these posts for real? | 7:36 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009 "I'll bet if someone had made similar comments except replaced "gays" with "Mormons", the guy would have been halled off to the nut house before the interview was over."

    Apparently you did not participate or see that last national election and how Mitt Romney was the object of bigotry.

  • I love him
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    What a guy. Take on the whole world. Not many in the political arena dare do this any more. Why should he apologize for the truth. Any God fearing Christian know that Jesus spoke against sinful practices and he was rejected by those whom he condemned. Any christian knows how perverted and ugly the gay life really is. It is one of the reasons Sodom and Gamorrah was destroyed. Why do you deny it. Keep up the good work Senator butters. I have no hate for gay individuals. Only concern for their life style. Just as I am concerned and prefer not to have thief, the liar, the wife abuser, the child abuser and the murderer obtain rigts beyond what is good for our society. Get a clue everyone. God does not condone this kind of life style so stand up for what is right and help them change but don't encourage them.

  • embarrassed
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:10 a.m.

    Let's be absolutely clear about one thing. Chris Buttars does not speak for the LDS Church. I know that some leaders are embarrassed by him and have been for several years now. I am an active LDS member who attends the temple and serves in ward and stake leadership positions and I am completely embarrassed by this man. He does not represent my beliefs or religious thought in any way. His views are not just extreme on this issue. They are extreme on a number of issues. He is the most fringe person I've met. Yes, I've met the Senator and talked with him on a few occasions. I don't live in his district or else I would vote against him. I am at a complete loss as to how we will suffer through the next few more years as he serves out his term as senator. It feels like we are the ones put in prison by him and his fringe supporters. Reed Cowan needed to also interview the leaders of the Eagle Forum. I can tell you that Elder Ballard would not make these bigoted statements. Shame on Chris Buttars.

  • Re: Anonymous 7:40 am
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:12 a.m.

    Really? Great past civilizations were destroyed because of homosexuality? Name five. Name one.

    The Nephites and Lamanites were destroyed because of pride and secret combinations. The Roman empire because of its corrup politics and a huge empire they simply could not control militarily it was so large. The Northern Kingdom of Israel due to wickedness, so the Bible says, but is silent on what that wickedness is, though many postulate it was worshipping false idols.

    I've just given you a list of great civilizations that well not due to homosexuality being accepted. Where's your list?

  • no tolerance or respect
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:18 a.m.

    Chris Buttars seems determined to bring the national debate on gay lesbian rights to his West Jordan neighborhood and the Capitol Rotunda. Is Utah ready to make him the face of Utah. I hope that people in the nation understand that our Governor bravely stated this week that he is in favor of civil unions and the only people who seemed to care were the right wing Republicans in the House and Senate. In fact, Governor Huntsman's approval rating is still 80% and that is after stating his position. No Senator or Representative enjoys such a high approval rating by the state's citizens. Governor Huntsman is the correct window on the Utah voter, more tolerant, respectful, and well-meaning than the Senators and Representatives who prowl around the Capitol like power mongers. The ethics problems we have in our Legislature are indicative of the mess these folks are in, and Sen. Buttars is prime example having crossed the line last year by harrassing and trying to intimidate a judge on behalf of friend and contributor. The people of Utah have faith in their Governor who is tolerant and respectful. We need to get rid of Buttars & Co.

  • Cora
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:18 a.m.


    It is a fact that the Lord sends his children to earth. He sends deformed children, he sends down children with IQ's that can range from 30 to 180 (give or take), he sends down people who all look different, he sends down children who are sick for life, crippled, some have no hands, no legs, some are sent down with both sexes (hermaphrodites), so many physical variations. Black, white, brown, etc.
    My question is this: Does anybody really think we are all born with the same genetic makeup? The same amount of hormones, testosterone, etc? Studies have been done in the US and Europe that conclude that the brains of gay men are the same as a women and vise versa. Gay women have the same brains as men.
    The left lobe of women is smaller than a man. Same as a gay man. There is other information available if people really think gay people "choose" to be that way. How silly.
    All people come from God. Treat them as such. Quit judging them. You have no right to!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:18 a.m.

    Sad day for Utah...again....sadder to read this blog and see how many bigots there are in this State. This State has such a bad reputation...maybe it is deserved.

  • Utah is laughable
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    I heard of this clown on the net last night. I am in Chicago. Is Utah really so insulated from the real world? Do you people not know what goes on all around you? In these modern times, it is hilarious that anyone, (anyone educated better than a pre-schooler) would think that homosexuality is a choice.
    It is to laugh even HARDER that you people can't see the difference between supporting domestic partners rights and "gay rights", a HUGE difference.
    It is unfathomable that this kind of attitude can exist in this day and age.
    You people are in for a world of slings and arrows headed in your direction.
    Un-flippin'-believable. How do you people survive?
    Mark Tellis

  • censorship is alive and well
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:19 a.m.

    My comment from late last evening about the need to keep gays "in the closet" has apparently not been printed. I guess I am now politically incorrect in this viewpoint. It is a sad day...

  • Unidentifiable "Christians"
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:20 a.m.

    The Bible in John 13:35 says that the world will know you are Christ's disciples by your love toward others. By this measure, nobody could identify Buttars or most of these other pro-Buttars commenters as Christians. The Bible has not changed, and God does not need to outsource judgment to modern-day Pharisees who view themselves are holy white and gays are devil black. If being gay is a sin (and I don't believe it is), that is just one issue in that person's comprehensive multi-issue relationship with God. It's not your place to elevate yourself and point your accusing finger at someone else for an issue you don't even deal with. If you want to point fingers, why aren't we talking about the embarrassing wealth of many, in light of what Jesus actually said? I'm tired of self-important, self-righteous, judgment Mormons blaming gays for the world's woes. Why don't you live the Bible and the gospel of love, instead of living as the Unappointed Judges of Mankind. God is Judge. Period.

  • Knowwhat
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:21 a.m.

    I am trying to wrestle with the civil rights issues in my mind but have had some terrible interactions with the gay community. 1. While taking my children into a public restroom was suprised by 2 men having sexual relations with each other. 2. A woman I worked with was married with 3 children and her husband decided that he was really gay. Left her and moved to California, changed his name and started participating in the gay lifestyle. Found a companion and lived together with that companion about 8 years. Contracted aids which became terminal. His companion of 8 years would not take care of him, because apparently he nor his companion were celebate for that time period. Called his ex-wife and asked her to take care of him until he died. She agreed, he moved back with her and died there. Their children had numerous emotional and psychological issues. I am trying to understan.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:23 a.m.

    I am saddened by the kind of angry rhetoric employed by Senator Buttars. We need to work towards a middle ground solution to end the divisiveness the gay issue has become in Utah. Those who are Gay and Lesbian should be treated with respect, and the gay community should likewise treat the non-gay community with equal respect. Narrow stereotypes will only aggravate the problem.

  • Larry
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:24 a.m.

    "Love one another as I have loved you," I know I have heard that song before????.... HMMMM....

  • Bob Plattsburgh.
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:25 a.m.

    Thank goodness for reps. like Buttars, He speaks his conscience, with great and time tested wisdom instead of repressing it.(Look at the masses wanting to silience him FAST) Its refreshing to witness a man take a step back from the political wrongness instilled in this country by the mislead minds of the few, with just enough education to be dangerous to society as a whole. Yes they believe that GOD and the scriptures are not politically correct. If your wondering why the blessings in this country that came so undeserving are all of a sudden drying up look to what is happening in our immoral, ungodly society (Choices and Consequenses). And no matter how much lucre our elected politically correct officials pump into the economy you will witness for yourselves that the days of, if it feels good do it, live for today for tomorrow we die are over. Even Gods patience has limitations so hang on, and those of you non-believers please dont stand in the streets waving your fists in the air at him, that will be considered a hate crime.

  • Semi Correct
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:27 a.m.

    To say Gay's have no morals is going to far. However, the Gay groups that sent antrax to Mormon churches and that sent their mobs to Mormon temples after the prop 8 defeat are the real haters. What Butters is being accused of is nothing compared to the hate of the Gay activists.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:28 a.m.

    Finally someone who will call it like they see it without trying to gloss it over with a bunch of politically correct garbage. So what if the homosexuals get upset at his comments. If they don't like him they don't have to vote for him.

    I think the homosexuals and their sympathizers should stop trying to swim upstream. This country has plenty of places that would welcome them with open arms. I wish they would just stop whining and leave our state!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Embarassed | 7:43 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "As a temple-worthy Mormon, I am absolutely ashamed and embarrassed by the words and deeds of Senator Buttars.
    I hope the world does not judge all Mormons on the image that he projects.
    He is an aberration, and I wish he would just go away."
    L. Jensen
    SLC




    He is not an aberration. Read the posts by your fellow mormons. There is much malice and spite towards all things homosexual or different. His ideas are alive and well in Utah. He just is stupid enough to voice them without the anonymous name to hide behind.

  • Susy
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Usually those who shout so loud have to hide something.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Well, no matter how Buttars put it, he is basically right. Family is the basis for society. GLTB activity is anti-family.

    Once the GLTB community gains "acceptance" then the whole framework of our society is threatened.

    What a lot of people don't or won't understand is: tolerance does NOT mean that we have to accept everybody's stand on every issue.

  • To Buttars the Man
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    You probably ARE Chris Buttars writing in.
    And we ain't leaving, not at $1.5 mil a year. We'll milk it for a few years, THEN split.
    MikeyMike

  • The Rock
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    All too often people ask themselves the question: "Was this a nice thing to say?" If it is not nice it must be bad.

    This is the wrong question. We should ask; "Is this true?" If it is true that truth should inform our decisions.

    Those who believe in God will have no problem with this statement. Those who do not will have a cow, which is also no problem because we need the milk.

  • @Who's Selfish?
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:29 a.m.

    Who's Selfish said: "Since when has simply living your life as who you are been considered selfish?"

    If you come from a religious background, it has been that way at least since Jesus's time:

    "He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it." - Matthew 10:39

    Christians have the goal in mind to trade in their natural inclinations for spiritual ones, even through their sundry implementations of that differ. To say that I'm just going to live my life the way I was made, to a Christian, denies the role of Christ in one's life to change one's nature and is definitely selfish.

  • 1930s Germany
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:34 a.m.

    Actually, the real threat is the closed minded bigotry that Sen. Buttars represents. It reminds me of 1930s Germany. What's next ? Gay relocation ?

  • To "Unidentifiable"
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    Thank you, well done. I was trying to express those same thoughts, though not nearly as eloquently, so consequently, my vitriolic stabs at saying something to that effect were not published.
    Consider my feelings on a par with yours, though laced with a sprinkling of far more unprintable sentiments.
    Mike in Sandy

  • superiority
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:36 a.m.

    Chris Buttars has deluded himself into believing he has the moral superiority to judge a man's position in a stratified world.

    That world actually doesn't exist.

    We're all in this together.

    The only reason homosexuals would ever be the reason for the collapse of the world is if fundamentalist Christians make it the reason.

    There can't be a war if two sides aren't fighting. If one side refuses to battle, no war.

    Buttars isn't preaching what Christ taught. If Christians would drop all the ridiculous rules they've invented over the years and do only what Jesus did, we wouldn't have this arbitrary war today.

    And let's all just remember that Mormons have been on the receiving end of all the "persecution" for their sexual practices. Do unto others.

  • Cindy
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:38 a.m.

    All you persons who keep using the Bible to spread your hate better read on, because, the comments about homosexuality only appear twice, both by Paul, and he does not believe in any kind of marriage unless you cannot control your lust. One more item. Only God can judge, Jesus tells us to worry about the log in our eye and not the toothpick in our neighbors, do you know what kind of sin it is to place judgement on another, best think about that one as well. IN the New Testament not one word is found about homosexuals, only about loving each other as God loves us, this was not just a saying this was the greatest comandment of all.

  • Tom Hanks
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    I rarely agree with Mr. Buttars, but hurrah for being able to speak up. It's the American way.

  • Hysteria
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    Why the hysteria? Does anyone believe in free speech?

    You don't have to agree with someone says, but you do have to allow them to speak.

    George

  • Jay
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    GLAAD isnt the only one who gets free speech. Buttars has every right in the world to say what he thinks. Mr Whipple quit your whining and go squeeze the Charmin.

  • Niximus
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    I am LDS, and I have learned to have thick skin when listening to the Hollywood left and G & L Community bash us for the last 3 months. Maybe its time for the G & L community to learn to turn the other cheek, like we have. Not saying his comments are right or wrong, but we live in America, land of opinions and free speech. Maybe its time for the G & L community to have some thicker skin rather than demanding apologies and resignations, cause, I hate to say it, but the majority of Americans don't agree with the gay lifestyle.

  • Utah Grandma
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    Thank you, Sen. Buttars, for being brave enough to speak out in a place where you can make a difference. I only wish our cowardly governor had your fortitude. If Utah doesn't stand up for what is moral and right, WHO WILL????
    I hope your fellow legislators are paying attention to the will of the majority of our state's residents.

  • Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    Selfish vs Selfless... The gay life style is one of the most selfish acts in society.

    What is love, ultimately? On the one hand, it is the epitome of selfishnesscommitment means you do not share the other with anyone else, that he or she is yours. And it is, simultaneously, the epitome of selflessness: I would willingly give up my own life for my partners if necessary. Love includes the willingness NOT to be self-centered, to be a part of something bigger, to be interdependent with another soul. Love doesnt suddenly become selfish because of what is or isnt between the legs of the person you love.

    I have seen gay people labor at the bedside of their dying partners, doing anything and everything for their beloved. I have seen gay couples raise kids who would otherwise be in orphanages, or worse. And they make the same sacrifices as any parents do.

    Selfishness and selflessness are not determined by whether you are gay or straight. You will find the full range of morality across gay people, just as you will across heterosexuals.





  • Judge Not (Unless Your Funny)
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    This guy is absolute gold. Hilarious. He's the most entertaining politician out there. Plus, people vote for him because everyone in his district agree with him.

  • Hey
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    Embarressed, "I know that some leaders are embarrassed by him and have been for several years now. I am an active LDS member who attends the temple and serves in ward and stake leadership positions and I am completely embarrassed by this man."
    Would you please lend some credibility to your post by telling us who these leaders are and what leadership positions you have held. I am a interested member and would like to make good decisions about all peoples.

  • Robert Oh
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    The thing that concerns me is that he agreed to talk to a reporter about his opinion about Gays and Prop 8 and is surprised over the controversy.

    This speaks to a lack of good judgment on his part. Unless this is exactly what he wanted going into it. Then he is guilty of stirring up contention and promoting divisiveness.

  • Thomas Jefferson...
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:49 a.m.

    Stated that the hallmark of a free society is the FREE AND OPEN MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS. The GLBT crowd may not LIKE what he says, and they have a right to refute what he says (which they have not)and even have a right to criticize what he says...BUT he should not be condemned for saying it. If one can not express their ideas, then we truely have a Gestapo called Political Correctness.

  • John M
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    I am a devout Latter Day Saint who grew up with two friends who shared my faith who each had gay tendencies. One of them viewed them as something to resist and overcome. The other viewed these tendencies as what defined him.

    My one friend is happily married with 5 children living in Southern Utah. My other friend is living with a man on the east coast and is successful in his business.

    Ultimately the decisions that each of them made are between them and the Lord. I strongly support traditional marriage and believe that steps should be taken to reinforce the family as the fundamental building block of society.

    I do not however agree with any kind of bigoted or hate filled speech that pits one group of people against another. Whether it comes from anti-Prop. 8 protesters in California and some of these statements from Senator Buttars.

  • Why take off e-mail addresses?
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    Why were the e-mail addresses for the senator and the committee removed?

  • Josh Ewing
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:55 a.m.

    Joe Bake-Gorringe's statement: "We still love him, even if he hates us" ...is perhaps the most moral thing I've heard in this debate. Sure Buttars has the constitutional right to say what he wants, but the rest of us also have the right to treat each other with love and respect.

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    to Spencer:

    What kind of God let's someone be born with a "tendancy to do something bad" as you say. Doesn't that contradict your theology?

  • Trevor Smith
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    If gays want to be gay let them, as long as what they do is in the privacy of their own homes. Most people don't dislike them because they are actually gay, in fact they are adults they can choose what they want for themselves, its them trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us that we don't like. We don't want our children to be taught that its ok to be gay because we do not believe it is ok.
    I respect your beliefs and won't treat you different because of them. However, the gay community needs to remember that tolerance goes both ways! Most of us respect your beliefs, when are you going to respect ours?

  • Prayer
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    I pray that The Lord will cleanse the ugliness which wraps the hearts of his constituents. Free of hatred, perhaps they will quit re-electing him, and let Mr. Butters get some help.

  • Was he wrong...
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:57 a.m.

    Can anybody prove that he was incorrect or was lying? He was speaking his opinion about an issue that he clearly feels strongly about. I think he keeps getting reelected because he fights for the values of his constituents, and doesn't get swayed by the more vocal minority.

  • Reed
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    It is good to have a politician speak out like a real man denouncing the gay society and exposing it for the danger that it is. Homosexuals and gay life styles must be stopped or they will destroy our nation. We would be better off living a Taliban type life rather than a society of gays.

  • Josh
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:58 a.m.

    As a Mormon by birth, and the youngest of 6 kids, I see the world a tad differently than my parents and older sibs. I have always been the rebel, if that is the correct word, and not as dedicated and devout as the Church would want.
    As I head out of my twenties and wrestle with the realities of the world, and my place in it, I have often longed to find my way, and myself, without the Church. It is people like Chris Buttars that make that decision ever so much easier. Am I always going to be perceived like he is. I hope not.
    Thanks for helping turn the REAL world against the LDS faith, Senator. See ya.
    Josh in Bountiful

  • Civilization comments
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    Yeah, I'd like to hear which civilizations were destroyed because of homosexuality.

    Please, illuminate us.

    Ill-educated emails keep spreading around the Internet like the plagues of Moses. They're way off a factual base.

    For heaven's sake, stop letting emotion govern your lives and engage cerebrally for a moment. Stop living in the hypothetical. The world is not going to end because somebody is different from you.

    Look at life from another man's perspective.

  • Let the man talk
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    I am appalled by the comments I am reading here and on the tribune calling for Buttar's resignation, etc. I don't personally agree with the comments that he has made, but from reading the posts here it is obvious that his constituants do and he is representing them faithfully. The guy has his first amendment rights, complain all you want about his philosophies, but he has every right in the world to express them, even as a public figure.
    Representation for the people. Freedom of speech. Nothing he is doing is not exactly what the founding father had in mind.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    Just like the bigotry of white/black marriages, homophobia will die slowly, one funeral at a time. I just hope that when I am in hades that I dont get a room next to butters.

  • Nancy from NV
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:00 a.m.

    It could be that Buttars is trying to awaken a slumbering moral community. His words are much like hitting someone with a 2x4 to get their attention. Those that are pacified and lulled into a state of complacency just might notice and maybe jump off the fence. I believe that we are living in the last days and a polarization will take place - good will unite with good and bad with bad. "...as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. " -Joshua 24:15

  • O2bRich
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:01 a.m.

    Voice of Reason | 4:40 p.m. Feb. 18, 2009
    Homosexuality is no more wrong than having blue eyes. I love who I love. As long as that is another consenting adult why should it matter to you or Senator Buttars?

    This sounds just like the sixties. The new morality was nothing more than the old immorality. Two adults consenting don't make it right or okay. The gay lifestyle is still very wrong, no matter how many people speak in favor of it.

  • Sneaky Jimmy
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:03 a.m.

    To Jon:
    You say you have "temptations when you see pretty women, but I fight them because I love the Lord and my wife and family".

    Why do you deny someone else the ability to fight his or her temptations by denying them a loving spouse?

    Doesn't that contradict your theology?

  • Question
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:03 a.m.

    If homosexuality is considered immoral, does that alone constitute "hate"? Homosexuality is immoral but "hate" should not enter into it. Adultery is immoral also but we don't denigrate the individuals who commit adultery. But we don't condone it either. Why is it okay for gays to voice their "religion" and we are told to shut up over ours. In that way, gays are seeking superiority. As much as I think Buttars needs to read "How to Win Friends and Influence People", the dude does speak the truth.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    This thread reads like a clan rally. Stay classy Utah.

  • Hitler
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    Throw Jews in the place of gays and it could very well be a Hitler quote. I get people wanting to stand up for their beliefs about marriage, but this goes way beyond that rational.

  • RE: Mind your own business
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:07 a.m.

    Would you have Jesus heal the homosexual community as he did lepers? He's offered to. Didn't he say cast your burdens on him and he will make them light? To say it's not a choice is inaccurate. We all have urges. How we react to them is a choice. Who here does not occassionally have an urge to do something we know to be wrong? We all do. It's up to us to resist that urge and do the right thing.

    Take your burdens, be they violent urges, homosexual urges, adulterous, or simply an urge to make a sarcastic remark. Take them to Jesus and let the power of his atonement do its work.

    And in his words, Go and sin no more. Don't try and excuse what you've done. It's done, there's no changing it now. Simply go and try and do better from here on out. What you do from here on out is your choice, and the Lord will judge you accordingly.

    We all have weaknesses. We all need to strive to do better.

  • CougarKeith
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:08 a.m.

    Funny how when you call a Spade a Spade with this Gay Comment everyone gets on your case for speaking the truth! Just like the Emperer's new clothes, don't anybody say he really doesn't have anything on, or you'll be a fool, well the fact is, He is saying it like it is! Acceptance of this SINFUL WAY OF LIFE as "Normal" is disgraceful! Soon it will be acceptable for any PERVERSION to be "Normal", after all, it's a simple desire! Like it or not there are VICTIMS IN HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVE LIFESTYLES!!! Homosexuality and lesbianism is WRONG! Until two men or two women can mate and normally create a human life together, it will continue to be wrong! Homosexuality contributed to the fall of the Greek Empire, and the Roman Empire, It will be a large part of the fall of the American Way Of Life as well! So will Legal Abortion, so will disallowing prayer in school, and so will the re-interpreting of the Constitution from it's original intent! These well be the fundamental principles in the utter waste of what was once the Greatest Nation On Earth! Read The Scriptures!!!

  • Polly Want a Cracker
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    What do you expect from a man who is just parroting the position of the church he belongs to? During the Proposition H8 campaign, "the brethren" said they were all for equal rights for gays, just not "marriage." Now they turn a deaf ear on proposals for civil unions. All you members of the Mormon movement should be embarrassed (I am reluctant to call it a church since you do not follow the precepts taught by Christ).

  • Morality
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    This is a tough topic for me because I have friends who are gay, and their story of how they "became gay" is a heartbreaking one for both the teller and the listener. However, I also have friends who are porn addicts, adulterers, liars, narcissists, selfish, hateful, etc., who all have similar stories.

    It's no secret that we Mormons have our vices too. We think that we are flawless because we have the truth, and that is sad for two reasons: 1) because we end up not becoming what the truth is supposed to make us, and 2) we end up doing a very fine job of pissing off everyone around us because of that attitude. Quite frankly, a good number of us are hypocrites (myself included).

    So there you have it: We all have immoral things we do...but that doesn't make those things acceptable. It does probably mean though that we should all cut each other a little friggin slack!

    We must stop the hate, but let's not fool ourselves about what is right and wrong.

  • Wow
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:11 a.m.

    A politician with backbone, who would have thought?

  • Robert Oh
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?

    Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?

    Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.

  • AB
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    To Josh on Bountiful; You are so intelligent...I really feel sorry for your family. I think it took courage for Buttar to speak his mind and he will be persecuted for it. Thats pretty sad...

  • Way to Go!
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    Thank you, Senator Buttars, for calling a spade a spade, and standing up for what is right!

    Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves at how far America has departed from the state of morality in their day.

    Homosexuality is wrong, and should only be "tolerated" behind closed doors, where the participants keep very quiet and secret about their perversion.

    While we shouldn't hate the perverse person, society should not be one iota tolerant of them proclaiming their perversion from the rooftops, as they do.

  • Robin
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    It is interesting that the approval rating for the GOP hard core right wing of about %20. who feel that the rest of the world is out of step. Horay for Rush Limbaugh and his druged tabocoo riden obease body.

  • re: Hey | 8:47 a.m.
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:16 a.m.

    Amen brother/sister !

    I consider myself a good Mormon too, but it becomes embarrasing to be LDS in Utah when we have such intolerant people who serve nothing but to give our religion a black eye.

    "What would Jesus do ?"




  • Love the truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:18 a.m.

    BUTTARS FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA!

  • a Californian
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    Thank heavens we have someone that is not afraid of the homosexual agenda! The homos really make sure that their lifestyle is tolerated by all, but then they don't have the decency to tolerate anyone else's thinking! What a crock! Way to go Buttars -- we're with you man.
    --fought hard for Prop. 8

  • Frank Azaria
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:20 a.m.

    I think Buttars how infamous he became with the whole "baby" thing and now he's got nothing more to lose. Might as well say whatever comes to mind, it cant get any worse!

  • Niximus
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:21 a.m.

    Re: Josh
    That really speaks well of your character and integrity to let a state senator, who happens to be a member of the church, not a church spokesman, to drive you further away from the church. Don't care what you do with your life, but don't associate comments like this with the church as a whole or its members in general. Its not fair or right. You don't have to justify your lifestyle by finding fringe comments from church members.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    Hysteria | 8:41 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "Why the hysteria? Does anyone believe in free speech?

    You don't have to agree with someone says, but you do have to allow them to speak."

    George



    George,

    We all have the right to speak our minds. We do not have the right to not have people react to our speech. This is a reaction to his outrageous ideas and actions.

    He has the right to keep speaking and we have the right to keep responding.

    Thomas

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    While I don't condone the way Sen. Buttars addressed the situation, I believe he only said what many Utahns already think. I just wished he would have said it differently.

    The other point I need to make is that the man who interviewed and produced this "documentary" is a homosexual with an clear-cut agenda. His only purpose is to smear Buttars, the LDS Church, and anyone who opposes gay rights. Cowan is an incredibly egotistical, controlling, opportunistic and vindictive person. I hope, when the video comes out, that people will see him for who he really is.

    From a journalistic standpoint, it was incredibly unethical to do what he did to Sen. Buttars. I hope those of you who follow this story will consider this side of the story.

    I hope the media following this story, including the Deseret News, will follow up on this side of the story and do a little investigating on Reed Cowan and ask him the tough questions like, how does he feel about those who oppose gay rights? How does he feel about the LDS Church? etc., etc., etc.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    He's right and I respect him for saying the truth. We need more politicians like him

  • Voice of Reason
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    To Hitler 9:06a.m.,

    Your post is an outrage. How dare you . . . how dare you compare Senator Buttars - who's expressed what most Americans realize is the truth about an EXTREMELY HIGH-RISK SEXUAL BEHAVIOR - to arguably the most evil man who's ever walked the earth.

    I don't take this ominously disturbing statement as representative of most gay activists, but let's make sure such comparisons go nowhere in mainstream American discourse . . . regardless of our disagreements. Let's keep the Nazi comparisons limited to actual Nazis.

  • Scripted
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:23 a.m.

    Cindy,
    Here are some things to consider.
    2 Tim 3:1-3
    Rom 1:26,27
    Lev 20:13
    Judges 19:22
    Isaiah 3:9
    Gen 19:1-11
    Lev 18:22,23
    Deut 23:17
    1 Cor 6:9
    1 Tim 1:10
    Jude 1:7
    Col 3:5

    Beware these are not politically correct.

  • re: 1930s Germany | 8:34 a.m
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:24 a.m.

    I am German born and very heterosexual, and your reference to Sen. Buttar's comments gives me a very uneasy feeling.

    In present day Germany, no politician or public figure would dare say in public the comment "homosexuals are the greatest threat to our country" without being reviled.

    How does such a man get away with it here in "the land of the free and brave", especially in a state whose founding peoples faced such persecution for their beliefs ?

  • Nazis as moral crusaders
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:24 a.m.

    The Nazis posed as moral crusaders who wanted to stamp out the "vice" of homosexuality from Germany in order to help win the racial struggle. Once they took power in 1933, the Nazis intensified persecution of German male homosexuals. Persecution ranged from the dissolution of homosexual organizations to internment in concentration camps.

    The Nazis believed that male homosexuals were weak, effeminate men who could not fight for the German nation. They saw homosexuals as unlikely to produce children and increase the German birthrate. The Nazis held that inferior races produced more children than "Aryans," so anything that diminished Germany's reproductive potential was considered a racial danger.

    Source: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

  • Butters speaks for...
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    Judging from the posts on this board, Butters is not an aberration, and does appear to speak for many LDS people. It is so shamful to me that people are actually agreeing with what he said. This wasn't a person who simply spoke his opinion about being against the homosexual lifestyle. This POLITICIAN attempted to compare a homosexual lifestyle to that of a RADICAL MUSLIM lifestyle. Can you idiots see the problem with that? You have all supported a President who went to war to root out RADICAL MUSLIMS from the Middle East, and are now supporting Butters as he says homosexuals are their equal in brining down American society. Whether you agree with homosexual lifestyles or not, his comments are very near calling for the extermination of homosexuals in America, are they not?

    Wasn't the LDS church created because individuals wanted to believe something different from everyone else? Wanted to live their lives slightly different from what was the accepted norm? Weren't the Mormons driven from their lives for their beliefs? And now it appears Mormons are planning their payback, on the homosexual community.

    What a very understanding/tolerant group you are.

  • Ry
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:26 a.m.

    I am also tired of gays demanding more rights. If they wan to be gay ok, just don't drag others into it.

  • for once..
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    I agree with Buttars.

  • AB
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    I actually respect Buttars for being so forward. He is entitled to his opinion and his free speech as well as the gays. I believe what Buttars says about the death of societies. The gays play a huge part in moral decline and a rise in pride. The very nature of homosexuality is selfish. There is no pride in this lifestyle.

  • simple question
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    so all of you that continue to say that Buttars has a right to his free speech and that people are trying to take it away why have none of you been willing to address the response to this claim and the questions posed way back last night at 6:59 and 7:08? I think the fact that you continue to repost the same statement ignoring the responses to you speaks volumes about what you really think.

  • Dear Grandma
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:27 a.m.

    Utah Grandma | 8:42 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "Thank you, Sen. Buttars, for being brave enough to speak out in a place where you can make a difference. I only wish our cowardly governor had your fortitude. If Utah doesn't stand up for what is moral and right, WHO WILL????"


    What would you want him to do to stand up for what is moral and right? Put all gays in Prison? Move them to a community in the desert? Kick them out of our state?

    I don't know if you realize this or not, but homosexuality is NOT illegal. And it is only 2-5% of the population. What are you so afraid of?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    If we a straight society would just leave the G&L community alone, they would cease to exist. Bravo to Sen. Buttars. The G&L Community is angry because they know as soon as they die, they have no legacy to leave. There is a reason why Adam & Eve were put on this earth.. to multiply and replenish. You can't do that being gay. Don't bring up adoption, the adopted child wasn't created by gays.

  • Joe Stewart
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    "not my real name," If I spewed as much miss information as you I would hide behind false names as well. Your post reeks of pure propaganda.

  • Oh Please
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:33 a.m.

    There is no historical example of a civilization that fell because of "gays." That's ridiculous. In fact you could argue the opposite: When the Roman Empire became devoutly Christian, it fell!

  • Helen Waite
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    Judge not and be not Judged, I wonder when the last time Mr.Self Rightouse Read that....

  • Disgusted American
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    You couldn't PAY me enough to Go to UTAH...NO Thank you...Keep your Hatin State! The ONLY good thing to come from UTAH is HBO's "BIG LOVE"

    ..Fellow TAX PAYING,Law Abiding citizens wanting tobe treated Equally Under the law is Radical? No, that's American...what a sick mind this man has...I guess he Sally Kern, and Fred Phelps all go to the self-rightious,sanctimonious Crazy mtgs.

  • Kevin
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    @Niximus | 8:41 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009

    You're full of it. If someone wants to enjoy free speech, go for it. It's free speech to respond harshly to someone else's free speech.

  • Why
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    is it correct to say hateful things about a personal belief, but wrong for insensitive and ill considered comments about gays? Gays are rightfully against discrimination unless it is toward those who disagree with them, think California. Freedom of thought and civility seem to be out of fashion.

  • New Yorker
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:38 a.m.

    I have to agree with the person from Chicago I too was turned to this website by a friend that when asked about what Utah was like did not really want to try to explain it. Your reputation as nasty vile people is well deserved, maybe someday you will find out what the rest of the world realized a long time ago and that is you have nothing to fear but your own ignorance. If you will excuse me I have to go take a shower I feel gross after reading such horrible things I cannot believe people really behave this way.

  • Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:39 a.m.

    I am a gay man. I didn't "choose" to be gay, didn't "want" to be gay. But I am. Despite several decades of intense prayer, God has in His wisdom left me as a gay man. And I strive to live a good, moral and complete life in a committed relationship with the person I love. I do not ask ANYONE else to "approve" of my life or of me. Frankly, what you think of me is none of my business.

    That said, throwing up roadblocks to hurt me is not remaining neutral. Passing laws that make it harder for me to protect my most important relationship is neither kind nor moral.

    I will willingly fight for the right of everyone, LDS or other, to preach, pray, and, indeed marry whomever they wish. I will never try to shut them up, no matter how offensive or harmful their words may be to me. I will NEVER seek legislation to hide who they are, or to pretend they are single and have no partner or family or membership in a church. Ever.

    Why will they not afford me the same rights that I willingly wish for them?

  • JS
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:40 a.m.

    I agree with Buttars. Someone needs to stand up to these bullies.

  • Nathaniel
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    Dear Mr. Buttars the real threat to America is hatred and Bigotry. Sir I must ask are you Gay? It is well know that people who take such a hard stance on this issue tend to be gay themselves. It also well known that everybody on this planet has homosexual tendencies to varying degrees. And frankly I am tired of hearing this agenda and the like coming from my home state. You will lose this battle!

    Sincerely,

    Nathaniel

  • Lisa
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    I sure don't agree with Sen Buttars delivery, but I will attempt to answer why same-sex marriage, (not each individual person who is gay) is a threat to our society.

    Some people very well could be born gay, but also I believe that with the over-sexualization of our society and the more accepted a practice is, the more people experiment. I am sure that a certain action increased a few years ago due to a former President's behavior. The more something is talked about, the more it is tried out, especially with our youth. The more gay couples are used in advertising and the more that people are afraid to refer to marriage between a husband and a wife as being the ideal, the more ANYTHING will be accepted and the ideal won't even be tried for. Easy divorce and living together have already caused people to wonder if marriage is for them, but the physical relationship of marriage carries on. There is less self-control in our society and that extends to all areas of of our lives. Same-sex marriage is just the next step down that road.

  • prove it
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    so I see a lot of ranting and raving but no supporting evidance for any of the claims Buttars or any of you are making, it sounds like a lot of shallow rhetoric to me. prove me wrong show me the evidance to support Buttars and your claims.

  • Sad American
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:43 a.m.

    Change Butter's termonolgy, ad the word JEW where he inserts the word GAYS and whatya' have..? EARLY 1930's Germany Demonizing the Jewish Population,and we ALL know where that lead! Let's Hope Mr Butter's words don't set off some Radical Religious Freak..who decides to do "Gods" work..and goes out..and starts Murdering LGBT residents....then when caught says...I was ONLY listening to what Mr Butters said.

    "Liberty & Justice for All" in America....Really?

  • Bill from South Dakota
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:44 a.m.

    First you Tolerate, you then Accept, then you Embrace. Sen. Buttars is correct. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves. This is not about tolerance. This is about indoctrination and destruction. We must love the sinner, but never the sin.

  • Cobalt Blue
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    It takes great courage to say what you really think, especially in public, and that's just what Sen. Butters has and always has done. He's got guts, and he is using his right to exercise free speech. Shame on those who say he should resign--FOR WHAT? His right to exercise free speech? Don't be hypocrites, especially those of you who are gay or promote the gay lifestyle. Besides, Sen. Butters is only saying what most of us already think. Personally, I'm very glad he was re-elected. Thank you, Sen. Butters, for having the courage to speak up.


  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:47 a.m.

    Personally, I say 'It's about time someone spoke up about gays/lesbians and their perverted lifestyle. Even though it is 'politically incorrect' to say they are ill,misguided, unnatural in their sexual preferences; at least someone has the guts to stand up and tell the truth.
    Has anyone but pro-homosexuals and media personnel heard of Freedom of Speech. These perverts have the right to practice their unnatural behaviors but they DON'T have the right to forced feed it to heterosexuals. Why doesn't the media talk to heterosexual, normal, religous (be it Christian, Islamic, Jew) instead of just same sex advocates?

  • group together
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    Just as I don't want people around the country thinking Chris Buttars speaks for all of us, I also don't want people grouping all gays together. There are some who became overly violent and confrontational after Prop 8 passed. However, there are also many who simply are trying to live their lifes the best way they know how. I am an active member of the LDS church and I have a best friend who is gay. He is the sweetest, kindest person you will ever meet. I don't appreciate comments like Buttars degrading those close to me, those who I care about.

    Buttars does have a constitutional right to say what he feels. I also have a constitutional right to disagree with him. It's one thing to speak what you feel is the truth. It's another to throw an entire group of people under the bus. I wonder what would happen if Buttars had a close friend or family member who was gay. Maybe his opinion would soften a bit.

    Then again, this is Chris Buttars we are talking about. Maybe not.

  • friar tuck
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:48 a.m.

    I really like this guy. Its about time somebody stood up and voiced his opinion. No one else makes such a big deal about their personal lives, why is it any different with them. When the world says the behavior is normal, then maybe we as a people will think about it. Until then , good on him!!!!!!!

  • Fiberglass Moroni
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:50 a.m.

    Utahns (and Mormons in particular) are so backwards and quaint.

  • People like this man
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:55 a.m.

    just keep going! You are digging yourself in deep and you are showing what idiotic, bigoted, hurtful people you are! You are showing the country exactly why they shouldn't want to be like you! You are the ultimate of reverse psychology. Keep watching everyone as these people self destruct!

  • Californian
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    I'd vote for Butters.

  • Provo
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    You cannot do wrong and feel right. So it is with homosexuality and anything else that is not in line with God's commandments. All will lead to a downturn for society.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:01 a.m.

    Sen. Buttars believes that hate is a family value.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:02 a.m.

    With posts like these I am wondering if (many of) you are trying to get the westborough baptist church to convert to mormonism or the other way around.

  • The Reality
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:03 a.m.

    I believe that homosexual desires are genetic. I have known too may gay individuals and watched some struggle unsuccessfully to fight those urges.

    At most, 10% of the population are born with homsexual tendencies. They simply want to be able to participate in relationships equally. They do not want to take over anything or take other's rights away. They don't want to recruit and I firmly believe a heterosexual cannot be swayed by homosexual images or rehtoric.

    This fear is simply unfounded and quite frankly not at all different from what was being said for decades about the rights of blacks or women. There has always been "moral" or "scriptural" reasons given for not giving rights to certain minorities.

    And yet there is always some kind of tipping point with these issues. I believe that when science reveals proof for the genetic origin of homosexuality we will see a huge turn in public opinion. Even the Chris Buttars of the world will have a hard time defending discrimination against someone for a trait that they are simply born with - but I'm sure they will continue to try.

  • Free Speach
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:04 a.m.

    Whether you like his comments or are offended by them, the constitution allows Sen. Buttars to express his opinion. I fear that this right may soon disappear as those that advocate tolerance scream "hate speech" every time someone expresses an opinion contrary to theirs . We need to be worried about free expression more than what Sen. Buttars is saying.

  • matter of time
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    I hope when some deranged person takes the vitriol spewed by Buttars and those n these boards and turns it into violent action that you will all finally realize the damage your altitudes and lies are having. I hope I am wrong and it never turns to violent action but as history has shown it is only a matter of time. And with the recent break in and burglary at the center I think it is only a matter of time.

  • RE: Sad
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:06 a.m.

    When did he advocate killing?

  • Ben
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    This guy is a nut case, I thought Rocky Anderson was an embarassment to the state but this guy tops him.

  • Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:08 a.m.

    "If we a straight society would just leave the G&L community alone, they would cease to exist."

    Uh, no, they really wouldn't. Gay people have always existed, and always will, as a small minority of the population. I am gay. My parents were heterosexual, as is my brother. I don't know why I am gay, but the notion that my existence depends on a "G&L community" is nonsense.

    Someday, I will die. We all will. And, in the next generation, a certain percentage will be gay. And they will live their lives. And so on.

    Gay people are part of the immense variation that makes up the world. While I never asked or chose to be gay, it has turned out to be a blessing. I met and fell in love with the most wonderful person I could possibly have found, and we live a wonderful, healthy and happy life. I wish each of you the same degree of happiness that we share. And I hope that those of you most eager to judge me harshly will reconsider that love isn't good or bad depending on what's between people's legs.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:11 a.m.

    If butters was 'speaking the truth' then he wouldnt have said what he said. The truth is that you all are following a 170 year old myth based on a >2000 year old myth. The fact that you call it the truth doesnt make it so.

  • Buttars Shouldn't Apologize
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    It's well known that Buttars is ultra conservative and outspoken about it. In fact, that's why the citizens in Buttars district keep electing him - they are ultra conservative too.

    The way I see it, he doesn't need to apologize. He's representing his constituency well. He's reliably conservative, just the way they want him to be.

    He might not choose his comments well, and he's certainly not not politically correct. Still, whether you like it or not, that's what the people in that end of the valley want, apparently. So he has no need to apologize.

  • BobP
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    In a reference to the "woman taken in adultery" someone here refered to Jesus forgiving her. True enough. He also said, "Go and sin no more"!

    There was also a reference to Judging not. Fair enough but that scripture simply says you will be judged by the same standard you used. That is a risk Buttars and I are willing to take.

  • Okay Sen. Buttors
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    You have given a chance to watch you and your kind self-destruct! Keep on going as we watch! You give us a great opportunity to show just how hateful, bigoted and prideful your kind are. Most of your kind tries to hide behind other issues such as "freedom of religion" or some other hidden agendas, but you show your kind's "true colors"!

  • Niximus
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:16 a.m.

    To Kevin @ 9:37

    You just made my point for me. Please re-read my comments.

  • Jed
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:17 a.m.

    I doubt this comment will be read by hardly anybody because it is at the bottom of the stack (who knows if what I'm going to say has already been said), however....

    As one who supports traditional marriage, I disagree with Senator Buttars statements. My interpretation of how the Church approaches this issue is way different than the statements Senator Buttars used. It seems a far cry from the oft quoted "love the sin but not the sinner." It's no wonder my church has been attacked because of the acts and dialogue of its members. According to my understanding, the Church itself does not condone this hate-filled speech targeted at people likening them to terrorists, etc.

    That being said, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman; I also believe that same-gender attraction is real. Those who wish to follow Jesus Christ and God's plan can find strength and support in him as they accept him and strive to keep the commandments. I believe that those who wish to engage in same-gender sexual relationships have that legal right, but I don't believe this relationship is or should be called "marriage".

  • Standing for Truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Three cheers for Senator Butters. Its about time someone stood up for truth and what is right for society. I dont dislike gay people. I have a friend and even a relative who is gay. But truth is truth. Call it what it is. The gay/lesbian lifestyle is abnormal and perverted. I have a right to say that. Senator Butters has a right to say it. He is correct. This lifestyle has been the downfall of any civilization that has failed. And it will be the downfall of the U.S. and the world in general. And just because the gay/lesbian community is loud in their agenda doesnt mean it is right or that I have to keep my mouth shut so I dont offend anyone. We need to stand up for truth and call it like it is. If we have to silence our politicians because they take a moral stance, then heaven help us! Im also disappointed in the Salt Lake media for jumping down Senator Butters throat. Youre just like the liberal national media. I had higher hopes for our local marketbut alas what a disappointment!

  • Onward Christian Soldier
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    This man has an excellent point. The methods and tactics that the gay $$$ special interest $$$ lobby and the screaming zealots who line up to shock Grandma (B.T.W. my Grandma has seen it all and now finds these people comical) use to silence dissent or any opposition to their LIFESTYLE is born of facism.

  • Astonished
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    I'm all for letting these religious freaks & wackos have thier OWN state(s)...say,lets clump 3-4 of them together....they can Build a wall around it..to keep thier rightious/family values freaks in...and let'm destroy each other...givem 3/4 useless states...after-all thier Mythical God will provide.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    Thanks for the comments, locals. Your minds really do terrify me.

  • re: Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:23 a.m.

    Thank you for your post. It's embarrassing to read so many hateful positions from people who have no actual experience with this issue. As a straight man, I also did not "choose" to be straight. I do not recall that day as a young boy when I plainly decided that I was attracted to the opposite sex.

    Also being non-religious, I find it humorous that LDS members will give thanks to God for creation of heterosexuals, but not homosexuals.

    We are all human beings, the way we choose to live our life should be our concern, until the day comes that our actions are hurting other humans beings. And no matter how you wish to rationalize this issue, a human being homosexual does not affect the lives of other human beings. If you are so insecure with your own lifestyle that just the fact of a homosexual existing threatens you, that is a personal issue that you should explore. Look inward, not outward.

    Again, thank you for your insight.

  • NotaButtarFan
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    If he wanted to speak his mind and be interviewed he should have done it on his own time. By doing it in his office in the Capitol while Senate business was going on upstairs makes it wrong. Its a great country and we should all be allowed to say what we want. When you are representing a State in an official capacity, you need to chose your words a bit more carefully. Spew your garbage on your time Buttars not the peoples.

  • Holly
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:26 a.m.

    Everyone needs to calm down. Live and let live. If you are secure in who you are, in your beliefs and way of life, there's no need to look down upon the way another person lives their own. It's a crazy hectic world, that is governed by many things we can't explain. The best thing we can do is just accept it, love it, and learn to live it without causing pain to others. Whatever phobia or prejudice you may have, forget it. Life is so short, do you really think it's worth spending it filling the world with even more hate and pain?

  • RE: Voice of Reason | 9:23
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:29 a.m.

    You stated: "...who's expressed what most Americans realize is the truth about an EXTREMELY HIGH-RISK SEXUAL BEHAVIOR"

    If one looks at health statistics relating to STD transmission, the majority of STD's are contracted through un-protected heterosexual contact. Overall, STD transmission among the homosexual community has declined and has been shown to be a direct result of the importance of using safe-sex practices among the community. One only needs to look at the AIDS epidemic in Africa where the overwhelming majority of cases are among heterosexuals. In America, the rate of STD transmission has balloned amongst heterosexual teenagers as a direct result of "extremely high-risk behavior" and the lack of education.

    It is clear that disease can be transmitted through ALL unprotected sexual contact - regardless of the participants gender. Your assertion that homosexual contact is the lone vehicle for transmission of disease is inaccurate when viewed in relation to facts and data. It is seen for what it is - a false statement.

  • Marvin Martian
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    Is there any intelligent life in Utah ?

    What gives one's particular religion and culture the moral superiority in this state ?

    Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but are members of a particular state culture entitled to force their beliefs on their neighbors ?

    What would the founding father's say ?

    What would Jesus say ?

  • lol oh provo
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:30 a.m.

    Buttars has the right to his opinion - but to compare them to radical muslims is just dispicable - if he feels they are the biggest threat, that's fine. but don't compare them to terrorists - show SOME respect when you state your opinion.

    and provo - if people don't feel that it is wrong - then they will never feel wrong.
    For instance you eat cow, Hindu's would find that offensive. But Hindu's aren't going to compare you to terrorists for doing it.

  • Mike on Wasatch
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:31 a.m.

    Dear Sen. Buttars,
    When your Earthly days are done, may you roast in peace.
    M

  • bb
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:37 a.m.

    I can't believe there are so many backwards, intolerant, homophobic, butters loving people that have no clue.
    When was the last time a Gay person impacted your lives financially or any other way? IF anything you benefit from the Gays since they pay the same property Taxes and have less of a societal impact since they have less children thru adoption.
    You guys need to get out of Utah and breathe some fresh air. Don't be afraid of something you don't understand. Don't be caught in the homophobic rheteroic of some old guy that will be dead soon that is part of the 50's not the 21st century.
    Who knows your neighbor or your Bishop could be gay and you may never know. If he WAS what would your attitude be?

  • To Fiberglass | 9:50
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:38 a.m.

    Thank you! What a nice comment about us!

    It's nice to know we're recognized as people who have not been cowed by the threats and bullyragging of the Taleban wing of the radical LGBT/secular humanist religion. Or by the rigid orthodoxy of the political correctness movement.

    You've made my day!

  • What a poor soul.
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:39 a.m.

    That improvident lack-wit has done it again.

    He thinks homosexuality is a choice. He thinks it's intentional. Man alive, how do you Utahns even get up in the morning?
    How are you so totally displaced from truth and reality?

    Has anyone from Utah ever traveled outside the state?
    There is a very real world out here that you may want to be made aware of.

    Tony in Seattle

  • Wow,just wow...
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Interesting how the self-rightious Mormons/or pro-claimed religious all seem to CONCENTRATE on Gay Sex,they can't seem to get thier minds off it? As a straight person with many LGBT friends...I myself find them normal & Boring like every other single/or coupled person who are straight. You accuse LGBT people of perversion/sleeping around etc...while at the same time/denying them RIGHTS to have Long-Term Stable Monogmous relationships....Basically You just want to USE your "religious perversion" to Demonize others. You just think about SEX...are you people deprived of fulfilling sex lives yourselves?? Are you Robots? Do you have you own minds? Obviously NOT by what cruel and hateful things I've read here. LGBT people & thier relationships are more then sex...just as I would suspect YOURS to be.....what sad people you all sound like...and How Happy I am I live in a Great Sate of Inclusiness such as Mass. (which btw,has the lowest divorce rate)

  • Truth?
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    So you can't understand why the "Liberal" Utah media would report on a policitian who compares a homosexual lifestyle to that of a terrorist? I assume you would support an full-fledged effort by the US Government to wipe all homosexuals off the planet, as is the case with Radical Muslims which you agree with Buttars are just a dangerous as homosexuals.

    Please, which civilizations have seen a downfall only of the basis of accepting homosexual behaviour?

    What I find abnormal is an LDS member being non-tolerant to someone wishing to live differently. Wasn't that the basis for the LDS faith to be started?

  • Boycotts and prejudices
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    Right after Governor Huntsman spent some of his own political capital to show the world that not all Utahns and Mormons hate gays Senator Buttars does his best to reconfirm the world's prejudices about both Utah and Mormons. This is very sad. Buttars apparently does not mind if people think the whole state of Utah is akin to the Branch Davidian compound.

  • Mc
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:41 a.m.

    Comparing gay behavior and lifestyle to Jews and Blacks is not appropriate. There is nothing immoral about being a jew or being black. It does not matter if a person is born gay or not. Their state of being gay is not immoral, but the behavior they engage in and desire us to accept is immoral. I can see no benefit to society in accepting homosexual behavior. The burden of proof is on the gay & lesbian community, not on society. Study after study has shown the benefits of stable family life with a mother & father in the home. It is in the best interest of society to encourage institutions that benefit the community.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    How funny is this!! Activist Jacob Whipple states, "It is extremely offensive and inappropriate". You are soooooooooo right, homosexuality that is.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    At least he's honest

  • Bob
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:44 a.m.

    Buttars did not talk about morality so much as a threat. A greater threat than Muslims, economics, socialism, ignorance, the internet, France, or anything.

    What power for a bunch of people who only generally want to live a quiet, unassuming life, going to work and coming home and watching TV at night. (My next door neighbors on both sides. My boss.)

    Forget the flaming gay idiots on TV, there are flaming straight idiots on TV. Buttars did not elevate them to a national threat. My vote is for Paris Hilton as a national threat. Or TV. Or economic meltdown or the balance of payments to China. Or Iranian nuclear capability or Israeli aggression. My neighbors or my boss are way, way down the list.

    Anyway, it it Buttars, not Butters.

  • Jed
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:45 a.m.

    Correction to above statement, should read: "love the sinner but not the sin."

  • The principles haven't changed
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    Common ground can and should not take the place of sacred ground. Those who suggest we can loosen the definition of marriage to be anything other than between a man and a woman are in fact treading on what many Utahns believe IS sacred. I do not condone all of Senator Buttars remarks and do find broad stereotypes offensive. At the same time, his remarks cannot be used as an excuse to water down what consistutes a marital relationship.

  • Jed (correction)
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:46 a.m.

    "love the sinner but not the sin"

  • Well my goodness
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    This is just ridiculous. How can gay people have no morals? Doesn't the fact that we are fighting so hard to be married prove we want monogamy? How can we be selfish when all we want is to ensure that we can have children and make sure they have insurance? Keep your bible beliefs, I don't care. But don't keep thinking that your saving the "sanctity" of the American Family through denying others rights. Straight people already destroyed it through drive-through marriages and easy divorce.

  • What a shame I had to move here
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    I am a member of the church that had to move here for work reasons. I love the beauty of the area BUT. . . I can't believe how much hate the members of the church have for people who are different from them. Out in the mission field weare of course the minority BUT we are well liked and respected for our generosity, kindness and love. I believe you have a right to your opinion but you need to have good judgement as to when to publicly state it. I have Muslim friends and Gay friends from the state I'm from and some of their morals are much higher than a lot of you and your comments. So many of you claim to be Christian and yet you don't follow in Christ's footsteps. The gay and Muslim friends I have back home would be there for me anytime I needed them.I respect them and they respect me back! Think twice beofre you vote for someone like this again! How far does hate get you in life?!

  • LDS Spokesman?
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    Just trying to figure out why everyone thinks Butters is a spokesman for the LDS church. Whether you agree with him or not it is still only one guys opinion. Everybody calm down.

  • my dealings and thoughts
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:53 a.m.

    I have tried to compile some of my experiences and thoughts about this situation, search for lifeandlossinlds at blogspot. It is a blog about my dealings, I try to be -un-biased, however I have lived a "hard" life at times and have some bitterness I hold on to.
    thanks!

  • Brandon
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:55 a.m.

    Disgraceful, prejudiced, Unamerican, ignorant. Perfect for Utah.

  • Tav
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    so for all u gay bashers out there, what would you do if your child turned out to be gay. would you abandon him or her or force them to become something here not? and i seriously want someone to explain to me how being gay is the same as being a "radical muslim" what have we gays ever done. this shouldnt even e a popular issue. its not important at all.

  • MADRYBEG
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:59 a.m.

    I am not one to jump into political matters, but I found this article intriguing. One day there will be an accountability for all to face. I, for one, am glad that Sen. Buttars makes a stand and does not dance the political line. I may not agree with everything he had to say, but I agree that allowing this practice to become mainstream America very well may tear down the fabric of American society. Thank you for not being afraid to speak what needed to be spoken Buttars.

  • Abolish PC
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:00 a.m.

    Thank goodness people are still willing to say the truth, even if it is unpopular. Truth is truth, and what Sen. Buttars said is true.

  • Why???
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    So many ask why people keep electing Buttars? It is simple. He speaks for many of us. I raise my hand in favor of Buttars. Great, Great, Great.

  • Billy
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    Ahh Utah....

  • Read Greg
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:06 a.m.

    Everyone read what Greg said.

    Butters is right, but he isn't politically correct. We can't let homosexuality ruin all that we hold dear just so that we won't offend them.

  • Thank You
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:08 a.m.

    Sen Buttars. It is people like you who fight to keep morals in this country. Thank you for fighting for my rights.

  • Finally...
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:15 a.m.

    I'm praying this is the nail in the coffin that even slighlty delusional citizens need to call for his resignation...I grew up in South Jordan and was terrified to learn that 90% of my friends voted for this guy because they just checked the "Vote all Repuplican" box. Let's get rid of our "Utah McCarthy."

  • Jess
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:15 a.m.

    I support his right to free speech and will defend his right to it with all my strength. That is part of the 'freedom' we talk about in this country.

    I also reserve my right to say his comments were a bit silly. Does any thinking person actually believe the gays are the greatest threat to our nation? I think we'd better focus on our international competitiveness in areas like education, R&D and finance. These are the real threats to our way of life.

    I would never vote for this guy.

  • swt
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:17 a.m.

    He simply said what a lot of people believe or should believe. You think all the crime that took place after Prop. 8 is only going to happen once?? How many people in CA and around the West have been threatened because they donated to Prop. 8? The homosexual agenda is very clear cut, aggressive and dangerous.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    Bill from South Dakota | 9:44 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "First you Tolerate, you then Accept, then you Embrace. Sen. Buttars is correct. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves. This is not about tolerance. This is about indoctrination and destruction. We must love the sinner, but never the sin. "


    Bill,
    How do you propose to "love the sinner?" By allowing them to be fired at will? To be thrown out of their homes? To be excluded from seeing their loved one in the hospital?

    These actions have NOTHING to do with hating the sin. They actually are actions taken to show that we hate the sinner too.

  • Worried American
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:23 a.m.

    I would recommend to every able bodied LGBT person to take the 2nd ammendment seriously and ARM yourselves! Take SELF-defense classes asap...this man has declared Religious Fatwa on LGBT citizens...if not by him personally, then by his radical followers....ARM YOURSEVES LGBT citizens to protect yourselves/your friends and your families.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    If we look at history, the Roman Emperor Nero was the first emperor to marry a man and we know what he did. His reign was the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire. In the context of history, Buttars could be right.

  • Goodbye God! I'm going to Bodie
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:24 a.m.

    I would prefer to live in Sodom over Kolob any day! And I will build my summer home in Gomorrah. You can go to Kolob.

  • Difference between Jews and gays
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:26 a.m.

    Jews are born Jews, in other words they have no choice. "Gays" choose to behave a certain way. They don't deserve any special privileges for their unproductive behavior. On the other hand, married people do deserve the privileges associated with marriage because their behavior is literally productive. Gays can choose to enter into heterosexual relationships- nobody is holding them back. Until then, they have the same rights as everyone else.

  • John
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:28 a.m.

    He is right on. That is why there are so many comments both pro and con.

  • Religion is Irrelevant
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:29 a.m.

    Its obvious our (federal and state) lawmakers could use a good lecture from a founding father. Was the inspiration for the constitution to protect the basic human rights of the majority? Of course not, that would be unnecessary; the constitution is provided primarily to ensure that the minority does not lose its basic human rights, as long as those rights do not interfere with the right, liberty, or happiness of another. That holds true for a conservative gun owner in upstate New York or a gay couple in the heart of Provo. Remember these lawmakers are not voting to protect their or your rights, they are voting to strip a minority party of basic human rights and free agency (which is a Christian principle). I do not necessarily support gay rights, but I support the constitution and intentions of our founding fathers. Ask yourself, is it against the law to be gay, is it interfering with your right to happiness and liberty? END OF STORY.

  • The reason please!
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:31 a.m.

    You who ARE Gay/Lesbian: Who abused you as a young child? Be honest in your response. God is not the author of "confusion."

    BTW Greg-- (1st page) You said it well. (And KINDLY!)

  • YEAH!
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:35 a.m.

    Yeah for Chris Buttars! I totally support someing saying what so many others are thinking! YEAH FOR BUTTARS!!

  • RE: Astonished
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:39 a.m.

    A lot of irony to what you say. The Mormons were driven from their homes several times. After they made the desert beautiful then everyone decided they wanted to come and benefit. No surprise because that is what had happened previously as well.

  • "love him... hates us..."
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:43 a.m.

    Given the venomous statements by liberals both past and present, it is hypocritical for liberals to cry foul and weak for conservatives to be apologetic. I have seen no evidence of hate by Buttars, which is more than I can say of some who disagree with his beliefs. Calling for him to resign when he has done nothing unethical or illegal is ridiculous. When someone opposes a lifestyle and/or agenda and speaks forcefully against it, it does not equal hatred aimed at a person or group. I could "hate" the actions or statements of someone and still love and respect them as a person. I assume that those who disagree with my beliefs can do the same as well.

  • Hmm
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    To Mike on Wasatch @10:31,

    You said "Dear Sen. Buttars,
    When your Earthly days are done, may you roast in peace.
    M"

    May I say, if you truly want peace, then YOU MUST accept Sen. Buttar's words as his own and let him say those, even if you are offended. To say what you did may as well offend others and they will also say to you, Dear Mike "When your Earthly days are done, may you roast in peace."

    Maybe you too, should have some respect for others and their beliefs.

    Geeze, one would think that the sky is falling because of Buttar's words, yet there is no tolerance both ways... Go figure. It isn't Utah or Utah County, that has the problem it is all who have no tolerance for other's. Oooh, I am guilty of being intolerant... DANG

  • Bill
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:45 a.m.

    Whether you agree with what was said or not really isn't the issue. The LDS Church does not wish any member to be divorced. In fact marriages in the Temple have a success rate of around 75%. This is quite high compared to the national average.

    i don't agree that homosexuality is "born" and thus your actions are just a REACTION to what you are born with. That is wrong. Our Heavenly Father gave everyone weaknesses to make us humble ourselves before him. I believe this same gender attraction is just that a weakness. Thus to act upon that attraction is a CHOICE.

    That said, though I don't agree with how he spoke his opinion, what he said is basically true. I don't know if I would vote for him because I believe one must be tactful when speaking but sometimes bluntness is what the world/nation needs.

    His comparision is that homosexuality is destructive to society as a whole. Whether you believe this or not, it actually is true. The radical Muslims would destroy the American way of life. Homosexuality will destroy the foundation of society.

  • Apologize?
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    Why should he apologize for telling the truth?

  • Patsy
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:48 a.m.

    There are hundreds of married Gay people in Utah...
    Their wives just don't know it yet.

  • Travis
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:49 a.m.

    It is absolutely ridiculous and completely irrational to jump to the conclusion that just because someone is gay, it simply must mean that they have no morals!

    Being gay is not a choice, and no one should be forced to pretend. That is what causes misery and unhappiness. Forcing people to be something that they clearly are not is, in my mind, immoral and unnatural.

    You bigots are the ones hurting people and society with your hate speech and out right insults, not the homosexuals. They are being oppressed by you. How does it feel to be an oppressor? It's not very Christ-like.

    And how come people never listen to gay people when they tell them it's not a choice? If you are straight, then who the hell are you to tell them that they chose this? Do you honestly think you know more about being gay than a gay person?

    Homosexuality exists. It has always existed, and it will continue to exist whether you agree with it or not. That alone tells me that it is a part of nature because you can't stop it.

  • Weeping and Wailing
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:52 a.m.

    And gnashing of teeth. Sin is still sin, regardless of what anyone wants to call it. Sen. Buttars is right. I do marvel at how much those that disagree with Buttars spew "hate" while calling his words hateful. He spoke truth and it sometimes hurts the feelings of the wicked, until they repent.

    Those engaging in sexual perversions - including homosexual activity - need to repent.

  • anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:55 a.m.

    Boy this Buttars guys is extremely homophobe!!
    Comparing gays and lesbians to Muslim terrorists? LOL
    Utah has a much worse problem with Polygamy and child abuse. Where is the outrage!!!!

  • Tired of this in Houston
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:56 a.m.

    1st - Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed because of their pride, not homosexuality.

    2nd - The "traditional family" does not need gays to distroy it, they do it pretty much by themselves.

    3rd - Children do not help bad marriages.

    4th - Christ nor any prohet in the "Book of Mormon" said anything about homosexuality. Remember Christ came into the world to do away with the old things because they were not applicable any mor.

  • Tearing down Society?
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    You might argue that teaching your children to be hateful towards others could tear down society. At least more than two homosexuals living next door will.

    I'm confused, why if the country decides that what a homosexual couple does behind closed doors, much like a heterosexual couple does, will that infest and tarnish future generations? I would assume that our children will take on the innate soul, sexual or not, that God bestoys upon them. Why don't you ask God to stop filling a very small minority of the population with homosexual behavior?

    Quite a big difference between someone forcing themselves not to love another person, and someone forcing themselves to not rob a bank, don't you think? Probably not, that would be too realistic woulndn't it.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    How does homosexuality effect any of you?

  • Bob 2
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    Anyone who is as obsessed with gay people as Buttars is---is either,

    Afraid he might be gay.
    Afraid of gays.
    Gay himself.

    Only the third one works in a leadership role.

  • Wyonative
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:01 p.m.

    People like Senator Chris Buttars are the greatest threat to America. Hate of any kind should not be tolerated. When people believe they have a monopoly on God they get extremely smug and arrogant.

  • Matt
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    It's one thing to speak your mind but quite another to demonize and undermine an entire group of people. His comments are filled with hate and misinformation. Simply because someone is attracted to the same sex doesn't mean that they have lost all their morals. As a US senator he should have more control with his comments. If he disagrees with same sex relationships he simply could have stated so but his comments were mean spirited and bigoted.

  • Just wonderin'
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:05 p.m.

    "At an interfaith service in the Capitol Wednesday, Equality Utah leaders and gay-rights activists said there was no place for retaliation against Buttars."

    Since when does a meeting between "Equality Utah leaders and gay-rights activists" constitute "an interfaith service"?

  • RE: Apologize?
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:08 p.m.

    How many of you LDS members have really taken a step back and contemplated just as you perceive your beliefs as fact, so to does any other religion or lack of religion for that matter. Truth based on religious testimony is a compass for personal choice, not a license to condemn others or encompass society in your perception of fact.

  • Truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:08 p.m.

    I totally agree with Chris Buttars. The truth really hurts and I am not sorry that he's honest and is speaking up the truth, but that's what we need now more than ever, strong, honest representatives, as the world is going downhill. Why would I fear men more than God? No, they were not born that way, and I repeat THEY WERE NOT BORN THAT WAY.
    Cheers

  • Steven
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:08 p.m.

    The blame for demise on family values rest on heterosexuals; pornography, abuse, hateful immigration laws, have done far more to hurt families than homosexual lifestyles. However every year we focus on homosexuality I feel that it is wrong that homosexual dont share in any rights such as not being fired for there moral choice that affects no one in the work place and to not be able to share insurance benefits. People need to worry about what christ emphasized, loving everyone, not judging others, and if you are a mormon read D&C 134 and see what the church believes about separation of church and state.

  • Unloving
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:17 p.m.

    The Bible is not an a-la-carte offering. These Mormons single out homosexuality (which is rarely mentioned in the Bible) as a cataclysmic sin, while simply ignoring Biblical passages that apply to THEM (such as the anti-wealth verses that occupy much of the Gospels). Obsession with homosexuality just reflects that Mormons are much more comfortable passing judgment on others than examining themselves. No love emanates from these Mormons, only cold, accusatory judgment. Love is reserved only for other Mormons. I don't blame gays for being mad, and I don't blame everyone for taking note at what's going on in Utah, the Mormon political machine, and the ugly comments by so-called "Christian" Mormons. My opinion of Mormons has absolutely plummeted this year.

  • suzyk
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:17 p.m.

    Hurray for Spencer. He is right. One of the few rights it seems to be left for us is our opinion. Truth always hurts and it is the truth that what the men and men and women and women are doing is immoral, unnatural and it hurts a lot of people. They choose to be that way...we all can learn to control our thoughts and feelings and when we don't that is the consequences. They are trying to force their sick behavior and way of life onto the innocence of our children in school. Your choices bring consequences, many of which you cannot choose. We were made in god's image and I can tell you for a fact, God is not gay and will not tolerate your choices to live homosexual lives. It is perverted, unsafe and foolish. God will win.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:20 p.m.

    The delusional Buttars thinks homosexuality is a choice. He thinks it's intentional. Man alive, how do you Utahns even get up in the morning?
    How are you so totally displaced from truth and reality?

    Has anyone from Utah ever traveled outside the state?
    There is a very real world out here that you may want to be made aware of.

    Tony in Seattle

  • Thank you
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    Thank you Senator Buttars for stating the truth. I am glad w have someone in office who will stand for what is true and right. Is it offensive? Yes. But some people take the truth to be hard. Several commentators think his viewpoints are scary. And that is what scares me.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    HERE WE GO AGAIN!

    BUTTERS THE INTELLIGENTPHOBE.

    BUTTERS THE SMARTPHOBE.

    BUTTERS THE LIBERALPHOBE.

    BUTTERS THE PRIVACYPHOBE.

    BUTTERS THE COMPASSIONATEPHOBE.

    AND THE -PHOBES GO ON AND ON.

    AND NOW, BUTTERS THE HOMOPHOBE.

    BUTTERS JUST SEEMS TO PHOBE ANYTHING HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH, WHICH IS JUST ABOU EVERYTHING.... INCLUDING SADLY, THE SAD SOPS THAT REELECTED HIM.

  • Randall
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    Butt-ars
    Today's "Worst Person in The World".
    What happened to "The World is Welcome Here"?
    Keith & Maddow will be All over this.
    Don't Miss It.

  • @Nazis as Moral Crusaders
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    "The Nazis posed as moral crusaders who wanted to stamp out the "vice" of homosexuality from Germany in order to help win the racial struggle. "

    Yeah, they also MURDERED THEM BY THE THOUSANDS in concentration camps. And exactly HOW is this a relevant comparison to how people today oppose homosexuality and stand up for common-sense sexual morality? It is a completely irrational comparison - it's simply an attempt to get people to skip over rational thought and focus on the "pro-family=Nazi" scare tactic, because they know that rational thought leads one to understand the immense risks that homosexuality poses to society.

    The Nazis also murdered common criminals by the thousands without trial - am I Nazi-like because I also oppose the behavior of common criminals, who were persecuted along with gays in WWII? Your comparison is absurd from the get-go.

  • very disturbing
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    I am very upset to see the comments of Senator Buttars here in America in this day and age.

    My German mother survived Europe of the 1930s and 1940s where people were killed for their religious, political and sexual orientation. My grandfather spoke out against the German government's policies and barely escaped Germany with his family before his arrest.

    Now I live in a state where foolish and hateful speech is made by the government against homosexuals.

    It wasn't the act of one evil man that made Europe go up in flames, it was the evil acts of the people who carried out his beliefs. It's those who support and follow such a hateful man that I find disturbing.

  • rightascension
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    Quote

    Sen. Chris Buttars believes gays and lesbians are "the greatest threat to America going down," comparing members of the LGBT community to radical Muslims.

    Question:

    so how many of the 9/11 hijacker terrorists were LGBT?

  • Well said senator...
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    Like the fact you express your opinion. No apologies. There is no such thing as a protected class of sexual preferences. Sorry. Doesn't exist. You have to shove it down our throats and threaten that nasty bigot word to get us to cower to your preferences. Finally. Someone who says what so many have been scared to say.

  • ru12?
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:25 p.m.

    The reason please! | 11:31 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    You who ARE Gay/Lesbian: Who abused you as a young child? Be honest in your response. God is not the author of "confusion."

    BTW Greg-- (1st page) You said it well. (And KINDLY!)



    Never abused, unless you call being spanked and grounded abuse.

  • to Unloving
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    Well said. Mormons will have plenty of damage control to deal with, more than usual.
    What a weird bunch.
    But it's easy to see..just look at the endless fairy tales, lies, false prohecies that they actually believe in.
    Another Mike (the smart one)

  • Greatest Harm To Society
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    I would have to say the greatest harm to society and the family is actually adultery and the inability to control one's finances. I am in a Family Law class and Criminal Law class and most of the divorces come from those two reasons, and all the murder cases we have looked at tend to involve these same two reasons. I don't agree with homosexuality, I think it is a sin, but I wouldn't say it is the greatest threat to America.

  • Aaron
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:27 p.m.

    What happened to free speech? He's entitled to voice his opinion it's that simple.

  • Kristi
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:27 p.m.

    I agree with Butters, the fact is the Gay community is small and full of voice. They don't even make up 1% of the American Population, but yet their words leave controversy everywhere.
    As conservatives who believe in traditional family values we should take example of Butters. If we don't start standing up for what we feel is right and voicing our opinion.
    Then when the traditions we believe and love in are taken away then we only have ourselves to blame.

  • @ Travis
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    Actually Travis, telling someone struggling with same-sex attraction that they can NEVER change, and that everything they know - faith, family, etc. - MUST be subordinate to a life-destroying sexual impulse is what causes misery and unhappiness. The facts bear this out. Even in areas of the world where homosexuality is accepted more than anywhere else - most notably in SF and Amsterdam - depression and suicide rates are not lower than everywhere else . . . they're actually higher.

    Depression and suicide among gays does not statistically correlate to "societal rejection", but it is statistically tied to actually engaging in gay behavior. That's the dirty little secret that gay activists really don't want you to hear.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    Weeping and Wailing | 11:52 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "And gnashing of teeth. Sin is still sin, regardless of what anyone wants to call it. Sen. Buttars is right. I do marvel at how much those that disagree with Buttars spew "hate" while calling his words hateful. He spoke truth and it sometimes hurts the feelings of the wicked, until they repent.

    Those engaging in sexual perversions - including homosexual activity - need to repent"



    And so do you if YOU, a sinner too, are calling another to repent. You just threw the first stone.

  • Gus Talwynd
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    A true, blue nut case. He could only exist in Utah or the Deep South. This kind of comment would lose him his position in any other place.

  • @the reason please
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    The reason Please you need to grow-up and stop spreading your silly lies. I aksed before but I will ask again since it has fallen on deaf ears. you all spew a lot of rhetoric but supply no supporting evidance for your claims. Please provide evidance that any of your claims about the LGBT community are anything more then empty rhetoric.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Truth | 12:08 p.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "I totally agree with Chris Buttars. The truth really hurts and I am not sorry that he's honest and is speaking up the truth, but that's what we need now more than ever, strong, honest representatives, as the world is going downhill. Why would I fear men more than God? No, they were not born that way, and I repeat THEY WERE NOT BORN THAT WAY.
    Cheers"



    I am glad that you know more than GB Hinckley. When asked if gays were born that way, he stated that "we do not know." I guess you have had a revelation that the prophet did not even know. Amazing...

  • To Suzyk
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Nobody is forcing anything on any children. There are far more heterosexual child molesters out there than homosexual.
    Please check your Mormon paranoia at the door.
    Have a drink and relax...
    Michael

  • Flagar
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:32 p.m.

    Once again, homosexuals want religionists to be tolerant of their views, but they show no tolerance toward religionists for their expressed views. It's just as Boyd K. Packer said, that tolerance is "often demanded but seldom returned." Chris Buttars has every right to express his opinions -- whatever happened to Voltaire's saying, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? I don't agree with everything Buttars said, but I do defend his right to express his views.

    Despite the noble efforts of some groups, true "common ground" between homosexuals and religionists will never be reached. Every religion in the world has warned against the evils of homosexuality -- how can believers of religion possibly discard those teachings?

  • Kendra
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:32 p.m.

    I'm not gay but have friends that are. Announcing how "gay's will ruin america" on national t.v. is outrageous and makes america look like a closed minded country. When are we getting rid of this guy?

  • Tory in Snowbird
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:33 p.m.

    The greatest threat to the world is Buttars and all his supporters.
    THERE is the real menace.
    T

  • To Steven
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:36 p.m.

    The Savior actually said, "go, and sin no more." (John 8:11.) He did not say, "Go, remain in sin, live the life that you think will be most fulfilling." He loved people enough to condemn sin, not condone it.

    Also, D&C 134 does not establish the supposed "separation of church and state" you suggest. It does not mean that members of the LDS church must forfeit their rights to representation in the legislative process, yes even the majority voice, or that they must condone or support the corruption of the laws in the name of so-called "separation of church and state." (Hel. 5:2)

    Finally, while you are correct that pornography, abuse, and other evils (enforcing immigration laws is not one of them) have also contributed to the demise of family values, but the fact that there are other causes of that demise does not mean we should condone another cause, i.e., such as homosexual relations.

  • to Suzyk
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    Better go get a refill on those happy pills. You need some help.
    Parker

  • jeremyNLSO
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    I say, good for Buttars. While I don't countenance the methods perhaps, I do believe that we need to get beyond the "veil" of this issue and call a spade a spade.

    On another article I commented about the horrid things I've witnessed at gay pride parades, in gay advertising, etc. and the response was that I was simply "uncomfortable with [my] own sexuality" (seems to be the standard response when there's no cogent argument available).

    Well, Buttars is right. Homosexual relations ARE a perversion; those who practice it ARE more likely to have hundreds of percent more partners, more STDs, and more substance abuse; and they would have to "recruit" others in order to increase their membership.

    I've lived with it in a home I was staying temporarily over a summer and have seen it up close. I was molested in my youth by predators and know of the huge pornographic specialty of "twinks"--underage boys living a homosexual lifestyle.

    There are certainly exceptions, but the homosexual lifestyle WILL BE the end of this country if allowed to flourish. For those that want proof: just look at the image you project objectively...

  • I am ashamed
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    The government of Utah states "Gays greatest threat to America"

    I am ashamed to be a citizen of this state.

  • Tovarishch
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:37 p.m.

    We conservatives all need to learn a new word -- "tovarishch."

    It's Russian. Most would translate it "comrade."

    What it actually means is, "you . . . who I don't know well enough to know which way you lean politically, so I don't want to say anything that might be reported to the thought police as disloyalty."

    That's where we're headed.

    Buttars should resign? Give me a break! The man honestly and forthrightly stated his opinion.

    Agree? Disagree? Who cares? We must all be free to state our opinion.

    Like it? Don't like it? That's your business. If what he says makes you like him, vote for him. If not, don't.

    But all this PC blather about resigning has got to be ignored if we are ever to escape from the Taleban-like grip of the PC crowd and save democracy.

  • Kris
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:39 p.m.

    In trying to understand what Butters was saying when comparing Gays to Muslims, I came to the conclusion that while the Muslims seek to destroy our country physically, those with the gay agenda are trying to destroy our country morally.

    I know many don't agree that acting on homosexual tendencies is immoral, but there are many of us who do and it comes down to our belief that marriage and sex are meant to be between a man and a woman who are married.

  • Ridiculous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    This guy just said what he believes...... So what?!

    It's about time a politician spoke the truth rather than hiding it under a blanket of red tape.

  • Naruto
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    NEWS FLASH:
    "Utahns support bigotted politician, declare they want more "bread and buttar" elected officials!"

  • GYM
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    At last someone is telling the truth. He is totally, absolutely, completly right. Please Mr. Butters keep doing what is right. Let's beat back this depraved, perverted threat before it can take even greather hold on the country.

  • Crystal
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    I am so dang glad that somebody ACTUALLY has the guts to say this stuff. I am glad that there are politicians out there who still vote for and act on the things they believe in, rather than what's the most politically correct. I completely agree that homosexuality is wrong, and I will openly say that. BRING IT ON.

  • Buttars distorts LDS belief
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    I am shocked that people flock to this man like some kind of ultra-conservative ditto-head political prophet. I find him to be a fear monger. Insular, uneducated, bizarre. He's doing the so-called "gay agenda" a favor by being an idiot. Last year he went and met black leaders to apologize. He acknowledged that he is insular and did not know black people much at all. Here we go again. He needs to meet my friends who are gay and see that they do lead respectable, responsible, and moral lives. Apologize. I find it sad that many of my Mormon colleagues posting here feel threatened by gay people or the gay community. What in the world are you afraid of? My kids attend church each Sunday and we have taught them to love all of God's children and to respect people of all communities and to understand them. My young kids know what homosexuality is. When I taught them about the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman I also taught them that not all people chose to be married and that some are not attracted to the opposite sex and are gay. So?

  • Good point Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:44 p.m.

    To add to it, there will always be pedophiles, murderers, tyrants, and perverts of all kinds in society. Does that mean their behavior should be tolerated too? Should society accept all kinds of behavior based solely on "feelings"?

    You might reply, "it's between 2 (arbitrary number) consenting adults and it affects nobody else." Well...so are polygamy, pornography, doctor assisted suicide, S&M, and even consentual murder/cannibalism. Does that automatically make those issues morally O.K.?

  • @12:28 P.M.
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    references to support your claims please.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:47 p.m.

    If your a radical your a radical. It dosen't matter if you are a radical Muslim or a radical Gay you are a radical and people are going to hate you.

  • To Flagar
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    It was NOT Voltaire, my dear fellow. It comes from "The Friends of Voltaire", written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall and published in 1906 under the pseudonym Stephen G. Tallentyre.
    You and Buttars are alike in that you both shoot from the hip, without thinking first.
    Mike P in Sandy.

  • To Unloving | 12:17
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    We love you.

  • Now God is mad
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:53 p.m.

    He's got Senator Buttars doing his judgement for him, and that will hurt.
    Senator, bring SPF 750 with you. Hades is a bear for that.
    Mike

  • Christ did address this issue
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:54 p.m.

    In 1948, the Nag Hammadi library was discovered in Alexandria, Egypt. One of the most respected and quoted works from that library is the "Pistis Sophia". In it, Jesus Christ directly speaks of homosexuality and how extremely evil it is.

    For those of you who would say, "I won't accept that because it is not canonized scripture, then you are the ones who believe so firmly in the Bible that you obviously accept the Apostle's Paul's words condemning homosexuality and understand that he spoke for the Lord by revelation.

    Therefore, using the tired argument that Jesus said nothing about the issue doesn't work.

  • Disgusted....
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:54 p.m.

    Dellusional people abound in UTAH! Like some Mythical SKY GOD gives a ratz arse...who likes Hotdogs or Tacos..you religious freak people are the sick ones. You think you'd worry about Homelessness,starvation,47+ million without health care,etc etc.....nah, lets blame it on the gays. Demonizing a segment of the population sounds very 1930's German. You WILL BE SORRY if one of your sick minded religious nutz goes out and starts killing LGBT citizens..all in the name of your GOD,and Mr Buttars...then you will have alot to atone for!

  • san
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    You folks hold onto your convictions in Utah! we need more people like this Butters. I am in the military in California. I can not wait to retire and get out of this state, and move to Utah to retire. Its the only state i will even consider retiring in. So hang in there with those good morals, don't let the gay community tear us down.

  • Kevin
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    @Niximus | 10:16 a.m. Feb. 19, 2009

    Your point works both ways, though. Anybody may criticize anybody. Your ilk have hardly "turned the other cheek." That's a bunch of bologna. Every day brings a deluge of insults to our dignity and moral character, and the legal code is not fair to those of us who want families.

    Everyone knows Buttars wouldn't resign over anything. As far as I can tell, most homosexuals aren't even calling for Buttars' apology. They know it would be meaningless. Maybe the good people of West Jordan would be so kind.

    I doubt it.

    But asking for an apology is hardly being thinned skinned. Neither is it limiting to anyone's free speech. It's simply asking for someone to reconsider what was said.

  • Greatest Threat to America is...
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:58 p.m.

    people who are uneducated and spiteful who then make decisions for the rest of us. That is the problem here. If Joe off the Street fears gay marriage it is one thing. When Senator Chris Buttars continues to get re-elected despite the outrage he causes in the black community, the gay community, embarrasing the LDS Church with his dogmatic, idealogical and angry ill-informed rhetoric, and the way he treats judges and others who disagree with him, then we have a problem. Gay Lesbian issues are NOT the greatest threat to America. They may be a threat to Chris Buttars given his personal insecurities and historical make-up in life and the lack of exposure he has had to diverse communities, but the GLBT community is so far from a threat to America that we are laughing out loud at the audacity Buttars has to claim it so. Message to Senator Buttars--fix our Utah enonomy, fix our under-achieving Utah schools, fund our Utah schools, improve our state's infrastructure, leave judges alone, leave the University of Utah alone, bring jobs back to Utah, stop embarrasing moderate Utahns and the LDS Church.

  • History
    Feb. 19, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    The Germans had the right idea they got rid of all the none Christian People?

    Jews
    Homosexuals
    Gypsies
    The handicapped

    Buttars/Hitler there is a close relationship.


  • Jane
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:02 p.m.

    Butters is a good man. We support him.

  • Re: Mind | 9:07
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:05 p.m.

    Your comment of "go and sin no more" does not mesh with LDS doctrine in relation to same-sex attraction. The LDS Church councils its members with same-sex attraction to just be celibate, to not act on those attractions and they can be in "full-fellowship" with the church.

    There is a flaw in this based on the teachings of the church. It is taught that whatever spirit inhabits our bodies in this life will rise with us in the resurrection. If an individual struggles with same-sex attraction their whole life and never acts on this attraction that spirit, or feelings and desires, will rise with them when resurrected. In still having these desires they will not be allowed to obtain Celestial glory in that those desires are contrary to what the Church teaches as requirements for this Eternal Progression.

    This puts these individuals in a catch-22 situation or, damned if you do / damned if you dont. No wonder Mormons that struggle with same-sex attraction end up dealing with high rates of depression and suicide they see no way out of their situation.

  • Randall
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    Just Another Reason To Ski Tahoe!




  • 2nd Ammendment!
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:07 p.m.

    ARM Yourselves LGBT citizens of UTAH! Arm yourselves ASAP! Do NOT Trust the Mormons..(ok not all,but most) ARM yourselves,and protect yourselves from the RIGHT wing Religious Scourge!

  • dstewart
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:10 p.m.

    We need more people to speak out about this cancer

  • What is Right
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:10 p.m.

    75 years ago...
    There where politicians that said the same things about women having rights.
    50 years ago...
    There where politicians that said the same things about minorities having rights.

    What will they be saying in the future about Mr. Buttars?

  • Utah Vs. Deep South
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    The Ultra-Conservative, Bigotry-Filled, Republican party has planted its only remaining roots right here in good ole Utah, and the Deep South who still thinks this country should be segregated. Stand proud Utah, you are in elite company.

  • Ben
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:12 p.m.

    Your free speech offends me. It must be hate speech. Who needs free speech anyways? Its not like it is in the Constitution or anything. Ban free speech!

  • It is curious
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:15 p.m.

    that free speech appears to be a one way street for the gay community. I believe their true colors show more on these discusions than their so called gentle nature. Sure some gays may have nice homes, pay taxes, do community service and vote. That doesn't mean they should be able to be married. Marriage is the combination of 2 different worlds. Anyone who has been married understands that, men and women are very, VERY different. I don't think everyone can make it work. Some people are too selfish (gay or straight). But I do believe those who do make marriage work should get something for their sacrifices. IT IS NOT EASY BEING MARRIED. I think it's odd that marriage was likely promoted by religion and gays go against religion (for the most part) but they want to be a part of marriage. That would be like Madonna or Wilt Chamberlin wanting to be part of a virginity pledge. Why the fight for marriage you have the rights for everything you claim to want; leaving propert to your partner, they can visit you at the hospital. I'm not gonna condemn you but I won't condoneiteither.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    Gays are more dangerous than Muslim extremists? When was the last time you saw a gay suicide bomber?

  • @ Travis | 12:28
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:18 p.m.

    There is another 'dirty little secret' out there relating to suicide among men, both young and old, in the LDS church.

    The LDS Church councils its members with same-sex attraction to just be celibate, to not act on those attractions and they can be in "full-fellowship" with the church.

    There is a flaw in this based on the teachings of the church. It is taught that whatever spirit inhabits our bodies in this life will rise with us in the resurrection. If an individual struggles with same-sex attraction their whole life and never acts on this attraction that spirit, or feelings and desires, will rise with them when resurrected. In still having these desires they will not be allowed to obtain Celestial glory in that those desires are contrary to what the Church teaches as requirements for this Eternal Progression.

    This puts these individuals in a catch-22 situation or, damned if you do / damned if you dont. No wonder Mormons that struggle with same-sex attraction end up dealing with high rates of depression and suicide they see no way out of their situation.

  • Sambo
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:21 p.m.

    BRAVO!!!!! Congratulations to Buttars to utilize his constitutional and basic human rights to say whatever he pleases. Buttars is free to say what he wishes, he is free to marry who he wishes, he is free to fall in love with a chicken and elope to Vegas, the citizens of West Jordan are free to vote him into office, he is free to one day provoke another male in an airport bathroom. Why, because none of these decisions affect my constitutional rights or freedoms. Its too bad freedom in Utah tends to be a one-way street.

  • Harold Shaw
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:23 p.m.

    Free speech, while constitutional, is still not popular. Mr. Buttars' and Mr. McCoy were both elected to represent the views of the people in the state senate. Their views on homosexuality differ. Supporters of Mr. McCoy's opinion demand Mr. Buttars resign and thus silence the free speech of those he represents. Shall we have freedom of speech for only those who agree with us? What shall be done with the others?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    "You'd better stand for something or you'll fall for anything" -President Hinckley


    Amen amen and amen. Thank you Chris for standing up for the right in the face of so much adversity. We love our gay/lesbian BROTHERS and SISTERS (love the sinner) But will not budge on the priciples and morals that God has declared (hate the sin).

    My, what a peculiar people we Mormons are. Shame on you who are ashamed of him (Sen Buttars) and HIM (The Man Upstairs)

  • Oh I forgot
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:24 p.m.

    funny where was this consenting adult nonsense for polygamists, or people into beastality? Things start getting pretty slippery pretty fast when anything goes in a bedroom. 1st it's let's allow the LGBT have the same rights then polygamy wonders why they can't have the same thing, then people that "love" animals want the same rights. Then people wonder why you have to be 18 to be married, ie if theirs grass on the field then play ball. That's why we are fighting for "traditional" marriage

  • Chris Butters is right !!
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:25 p.m.

    He may not be politically correct but he is right. Homosexual behavior is the greatest threat to American society. It may not be popular but that doesn't mean it isn't correct. The teachings of Jesus Christ didn't go over too well with some Jewish groups either but that didn't make Christ change his message to be more politically correct with current society and their beliefs. Gay activists are trying to get a foothold in Utah - first gay unions and then gay marriage. The PEOPLE of the state of Utah have a right - yes a right - to vote them out just like they did with prop 8 in California. Chris Butters is outspoken and a bit harsh but it will take strong leaders to keep homosexual activism out of Utah. For those of you who support gay activism - that is your right. However please afford the same right to others who don't support or believe in your twisted views. We have a right to fight for our children's future as well and the kind of society they will live in.

  • Linguist
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    "To add to it, there will always be pedophiles, murderers, tyrants, and perverts of all kinds in society..."


    I can explain why attacking innocent children is immoral and wrong. I can explain why killing an innocent individual is immoral and wrong. I can explain why imposing the will of a tyrant on an unwilling populace is wrong. I can do all of this in principled ways, in ways consistent with moral principles and justifiable ethics.

    Can you explain why it is immoral for two gay people who fall in love to share their lives and their home, their mortgage, their vacations, their joys and their sorrows, in complete trust and mutual commitment? Please go ahead. I'll see if it fits in with general principles of right and wrong.

    For me, morality isn't a laundry lists of do's and dont's. It has to be principled.

    A society that doesn't "tolerate" gay people living full and moral lives has a lot of explaining to do. So far, those explanations have been far from principled.

    Saying "cause it says so right here" is an excuse, not an explanation.

    Peace,
    Linguist

  • Outside of Utah
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:27 p.m.

    Every state legislature has a goofball; however, in this case it's refreshing to read about the truth. In this case, Mr. Butters speaks his mind and the truth whether it's polically correct or not. In this case, the alternate lifestyle is out of step with reality. This has nothing to do with faith or religion. Thank goodness for Mr. Butters.

  • Grimble
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:30 p.m.

    Shame on you, Chris Buttars. And shame on everyone who voted for him. You bring shame upon our state and the LDS Church.

    When will the GOP realize they need to get rid of the knuckle draggers if they want to survive?

  • Robert Oh
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    That stone cut from a mountain without hands is having a hard time getting rolling right now.

    Looks to me like it's headed for a cliff with big chunks breaking off left and right.

  • Re: It is curious
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    The reason homosexual activitist are so vehement in their attempt be included in marriage has nothing to do with "equality". If they can attain the status of marriage, they can demand to be seen as "normal" and will shut down anyone, or any organization, who dares to disagree. Because, as well all know, that is the PC way, right?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:32 p.m.

    You people on this blog are depiscable and shameful for supporting Buttars' views. You have every right to oppose gay unions--good people can disagree--but to equate our gay brothers and sisters with "radical Muslims" is just shameful. And to say that gays are perverted is shameful too. What are you trying to prove with such hateful rhetoric?

  • Annon
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    Homosexuality in every form is immoral, distructive to the individual and to society..You can put lipsick on a pig, but it is still a pig!

  • the inconvienent truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    Chris Buttars has spoken the truth - with a bit of thunder and lightning mixed in. It may be politically incorrect but it is the truth none the less. Homosexual behavior is destructive to the individual and society as a whole. Homosexuals are human beings - MOST who CHOOSE to be homosexual - and some who don't. Because some can't help their sexual feelings we need to be loving and caring toward them however that doesn't mean we have to grant them special rights in the process.

  • Paul Revere rides again
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:35 p.m.

    to arms, to arms,

    the gays and lesbians are coming, the gays and lesbians are coming

    Thanks for the warning Sen. Buttars

  • Rachel from Salt Lake
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:40 p.m.

    First of all, I can't believe this guy is even a senator and second, I can't believe the blatant ignorance and hostility of the comments that I have read about this article.
    Buttars needs to be stopped and those of you who agree with him because he speaks the "truth" need to grow up and crawl out of your Mormon, bigoted bubbles!
    Homosexuality is not a sin and it is not immoral. Being an intolerant, hateful person is.

  • You will "Bring it on yourself"
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:42 p.m.

    Crystal and people like you! You are happy that someone has the guts to say the bigoted things that you think inside? Oh this is choice that you guys' true colors are coming out! Let's tell it like it is and see how long it lasts. Yeah, bring it on!

  • Texan
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:43 p.m.

    The Utah Senator is a man of courage. It takes steadfast courage to say the Turth irregardless of what is PC. As for me and my house, I admire the Utah Senator and I'm thankful I live in a country where I can stand up for my beliefs as you do yours. I love the sinners but not their sins. I tolerate but do not condone. I respect but I do not accept. I know the truth and will not ignore their lies. Homosexualtiy is wrong. Nothing anyone says or any law that will support it will change that. This has to be said out loud like the inspired Utah Senator is saying it....and it has to be said and heard NOW! Your free agency to choose is yours. Listen and hear. You are accountable.

  • "It is Curious"
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:47 p.m.

    that you think that "we" are not like you with our feelings! Do you think it doesn't hurt to be told that you are sinful or bad with who we basically are inside? Do you think that "we" don't want all the things in life that you want? Do you think that we are planning to hurt marriage? You are as delusional as I thought. Your kind will not last very much longer and I will be the first to say goodbye.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:49 p.m.

    What happened to freedom of speech? Everyone is free to post their opinion on this site--Why should it be any different for Mr. Butters?

  • thankful for Buttars
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:49 p.m.

    I for one am grateful to have Chris Buttars representing the people of Utah. Chris is going to be hounded and hated for what he says and especially for his unflinching stand against gay activism but after seeing the ugly face of gay activism that followed the prop 8 passage in California, I think it would be good for us all to draw a line in the stand against gay activism before it reaches into our homes and schools and destroys our society.

  • Naruto
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:52 p.m.

    NEW FLASH:
    Utahns support Bigotry, hope for more "bread and buttar politics!

  • cali-saint
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:54 p.m.

    Dont reelect this guy. He is dangerous and an embarassment to the state. I am not here to support the gay agenda, nor California prop 8 or any other G & L rights but I am certainly not here to hurt people. My family raise me to be kind and respectful to love the sinner, hate the sin and to not judge.

  • Amy Cook
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    You stay classy Utah.

  • Niximus
    Feb. 19, 2009 1:55 p.m.

    RE: Kevin
    What proof do you have that my "ilk have hardly 'turned the other cheek.'" We were not the ones proclaiming "Hate" and "Discrimination" while vandalizing Church's and Temples, and harassing Prop 8 donators outside their homes. It seems as though the only outlet the LDS people have to voice their opinions, without publicly being called bigots, is peacefully on a comment board for a local newspaper.

    What I am saying is that if you live a lifestyle that the majority of Americans disagree with, get used to the criticism you take when you try to promote it, and stop crying foul when someone voices their opinion about it.

  • @ 1:18 and 1:05
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    True: it is taught that whatever spirit inhabits our bodies in this life will rise with us in the resurrection.

    This is not only true for people with same-sex attraction, but also for people with other desires; i.e. former alcoholics who never get over the desire but don't drink anymore; people who never completely get over the temptation to do any number of things.

    You don't have to have completely conquered all sins in order to be a candidate for eternal progression and the C.K.; People like that would be translated.

    The key is to have a repentant heart; to truly be joined with Christ in the covenant relationship he offers; to actively be repenting and trying to be better each day. If perfection were required in this life, none would qualify for Eternal progression in the life to come.

    It's not a surprise that someone outside of the church would misinterpret this doctrine; many inside the church don't understand it either. (See Moroni 10: 32-33)

    Finally: I'm LDS, live in California, and voted for Prop 8, and Mr. Buttars words DO NOT represent my views on this subject.

  • Fredd
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:08 p.m.

    I couldn't get through all the comments. Has anyone pointed out the slur against "radical muslims"? Buttars offends gays and muslims in one statement!

  • South Jordan Ike
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:09 p.m.

    Now we will get more posts about the "idiots" in West Jordan who re-elected Buttars. Actually, Buttars represents very few from West Jordan. He was voted for by the "idiots" in South Jordan and Herriman.

  • Dutch
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:11 p.m.

    Some thoughts on these comments

    1) Why do some ask members of the LDS Church to stop thier comments call them bigots etc and imply all Mormons feel the same way, Isnt that bigotry both ways ?

    2) I have a gay brother in law - I love him and he is a great person - The comments made by Butters were out of line and un becoming a person in his position of responsibility - But he has the right to make those statements and suffer any consequences - Why when someone who opposes any Gay agenda items makes statements it is considered hate speech - but when a person in favor of Gay life styles makes a statement it is considered free speech and an expression of rights

    3) Why does a GOP dominated senate throw out bills giving all people specific rights, but then make statements saying what Butters said is wrong

    Just wondering and confused !

  • Freedom
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    If we demanded everyone with an opinion to resign - we would be without any government officials. Agree or disagree - the man has a right to his opinion and so do each of you. I don't think many of you understand the definition of freedom, morals (not today's definition where everything goes)healthy discussion, and wrong and right. Time will be the witness.

  • John Reynolds
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    He is saying it as it really is !
    Sometimes the truth is awkward to some, but it still is the truth !

  • Aaron
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:13 p.m.

    Everyone one here fell for this story hook-line and sinker. If it weren't for stories like this one, newspapers would have died long ago. It's for ratings and blogs, look at how many people have commented on this. If no one reported what he said, we wouldn't even be on here, it's all about sensationalism. It's such a divisive subjet. My opinion is that Mosiah 3:19 helps solve the issue of homosexuality.

  • Norman
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:14 p.m.

    Prs.4:27 "and the mouse will remain quietly unsmart while the jackass will open his mouth and let the world know how idiotic he is".

    No, it's not the Bible, it's my own creation called "The Book of Norman".
    Filled with fantasy, falsehoods, lies...y'all know exactly what I'm talking about. You have your OWN such book.

  • ARE U KIDDING ME!!
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:21 p.m.

    ARE U KIDDING ME!! BUTTARS>>> GET RID OF THIS GUY!! WE HAVE TO SET OUR RELIGIOUS VIEWS ASIDE, AND TREAT EVERYONE EQUAL! PLEASE LET GOD DECIDE WHAT IS WRONG AND RIGHT?!! FOR NOW, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, LIVE AND LET LIVE, WE ARE ALL EQUAL!! PLEASE STOP ALL THIS HATE! AND YES I AM ALSO STRAIGHT!

  • @Tired of this in Houston
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:28 p.m.

    "1st - Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed because of their pride, not homosexuality."

    I just reread the scriptural accounts of Sodom and Gomorrah and you are wrong. No mention of pride.

    Gen.13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.

    The men of Sodom sought to have their way with Lot's visitors:

    Gen. 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

    You may not understand what that meant, but Lot did and so did numerous prophets throughout the scriptures who referred to the wickedness of Sodom & Gomorrah. How do you think the term "sodomy" got its meaning?

    Paul was an apostle of Jesus who received revelations and wrote of them to Christian followers. In Romans 1:24-28 we can read exactly what God thinks of those who commit homosexual acts. Christ never did away with his commandments or redefined what constitutes sexual sin.

    The fact that heterosexual sin is just as grievous in no way makes homosexual sin okay.

  • rock on!
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    rock on Buttars - to heck with the PC police!!

  • NUMBERS
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:33 p.m.

    Gays are only 2-5% of the population. If their "sins" can bring down our civilization, we are a very weak people.

    May I ask you to look at the other problems that plague our society.

    50% divorce rate.
    unwed mothers
    abortion

    All of which we should be fighting against instead of this little percentage of our citizens. We are taking our eye off the real problems if we want to place the blame for our problems on gays.

    We need to clean up our own acts before we start worrying about gays.

  • Good for Buttars
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:34 p.m.

    It's time to stand up and not be afraid to speak freely. Buttars is correct in every particular, to the dismay of those who are promoting the destruction of society through the destruction of traditional marriage.

  • EQUALITY
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:36 p.m.

    EQUALITY>>>> IT WORKS, I PROMISE!!

  • John von K
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    I have no doubt that, when the SS started sending Jews and homosexuals to Dachau and later Auschwitz, they used the same rhetoric. The pink triangles worn by homosexuals sometimes represents those the nazis made them wear in the camps.

  • elliot
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:48 p.m.

    It takes one to know one. How does he know about "pig sex"? I'd be willing to bet (well not in Utah) most gays (or straight for that matter) have no idea what that is.

    YOU HAVE A DIRTY MIND BUTTARS!!

  • Elmo
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:49 p.m.

    What does modern day revelation of the church say on this matter, that is what we need to follow.

  • lynn
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    At least Buttars has the Chutzpah to say what he believes. Most would agree with him but are afraid to speak out because of the scary, violent, in-your-face, gays. Look what they've been doing in California to Catholics and mormons. I'm convinced they would get even more violent if they thought they could get away with it. My sister pulled her kids out of the best Catholic school in her county and is home schooling because of the violent behavior aimed against the school.

  • Ryan
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:52 p.m.

    Thanks Chris,
    I appreciate your efforts in standing up for your morals and what you think is right.

  • Dave H
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    I agree with Senator Buttars. Thank you for speaking the truth. You gays need to repent. You are not born that way.

  • To Adolph Buttars
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    Lookie here at what ye've done, Sir.
    Didn't scowling at that lesbian in Senate Chambers, or calling that bill " a black ugly baby" teach you anything?
    Guess not.
    The only people more uninformed and inane than you are those that continue to re-elect you.
    Michael...your neighbor

  • Free Speech
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:57 p.m.

    Please don't confuse "free speech" with "no consequences." Free Speech in America means you won't be jailed/killed/arrested/tortured for your statements.

    Some countries have political prisoners. That is truly lack of free speech.

    Free speech in America doesn't mean you won't get punished in the court of public opinion, including loss of respect and employment.

    In the U.S. normally one still needs to be tactful. And in politics "statesmanship" helps you to be effective. Buttars is desperately lacking in those areas, which is why I voted for his opponent.

    Personally I oppose the efforts to pass legislation and judicial rulings that in effect cause government to condone/promote/institutionalize homosexual lifestyles.

    I won't attempt to explain why here.

    I also accept that others have opposing points of view. I hope that eventually parties on both sides will find ways to discuss their differences with respect and civility. Thankfully the snarky comments and disrespect shown so often in desnews and sltrib message boards don't represent opinions of real decision makers.



  • Right On!
    Feb. 19, 2009 2:59 p.m.

    Senator Chris Buttars is without guile, rejecting political correctness to speak the truth which cuts like at 2 edge sword. It is a warning with eternal consequences. We should be grateful that there are people who will speak the truth. Be see what we already believe.

  • Waddoups
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:02 p.m.

    This is not so much about Buttars as it is about Senate Leadership. President Valentine punished Buttars last year for his ethic slip ups and poor, poor lack of judgment. He offended the entire African American community and he crossed the line with Utah's judges by going after one. So Republican Senators punished Valentine for acting like the leader he was supposed to be. Who did they vote in instead? None other than Buttar's buddy Waddoups. We have Republican Senate Leadership to thank for the walking train wreck that is Buttars and his shadowy empowering source--Waddoups. We'd be so much better off if the Legislature was a substantive body that was focused on key economic, education, business community issues instead of the rant they stir up each year. The lack of ethics on the Hill should disgust each citizen. Governor Huntsman has a Commission to figure out why people are not voting--I'll tell you why...crazed Republicans go to neighborhood meetings and scare off moderates from politics altogether, then shape the elections through party primaries and only fringe delegates show up, moderates feel queezy there, and hate every minute of it.

  • Hmm?
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:07 p.m.

    Exactly what is a normal society?
    Societies are like organisms.
    They grow.
    They prosper.
    They change.
    They evolve.
    DNA findings suggest that homosexuality is found within the genes.
    Some people having more female tendencies, some having more male tendencies, and others having both.
    These tendencies are natural. Just as is the tendency for the body to eliminate bowel. These natural tendencies occur because we are genetically predisposed to function a certain way.
    People are born as homosexuals.
    Just as some are born as heterosexuals.
    Homosexuals do not simply choose to be attracted to the same gender, they are genetically predisposed to have such feelings.
    That being said, God intended for there to be homosexuals.
    This is Gods way of saying love your brothers and sisters as they are and do not judge. The God I believe in is just as righteous as he is loving.
    As for the bible. Honestly, how could anyone believe in it? The bible is the work of man and that is all. It is not Gods word.
    The fourteenth amendment: equal liberty, equal protection.
    Equal rights?

  • You are wrong
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    People that stand up for gay rights have been persecuted in Utah more than you can imagine. Imagine what the comments feel against you believing the way you do and multiply them many more. Not everybody, but a majority of Mormons agree with Buttors and are glad that he spoke out (because they didn't dare do it in that way). Can you imagine how the minority feel? They are persecuted here and it's the Mormons that like to talk so much about their persecution. Isn't it interesting how the "persecuted" become the PERCECUTORS?

  • ARE U KIDDING ME!! | 2:21 p.m. F
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:10 p.m.

    Do you really think this only has to do with religions? So anyone that's not religious agrees with the gay lifestyle, give me a break, talk about stereotyping.

    Last I look the freedom of speech is still around so someone stating what they think doesn't at all state how they interact with them.

  • to GYM post at 12:42
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    You are as delusional as Buttars.
    Nobody is going to "beat this back". Homosexuality is NOT going away, and will just continue to be an issue, good or bad, for the rest of Eternity.
    I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and everyone knows of SF's reputation.
    I'll tell you what. I'd rather live next door to a gay couple, than one of the militant Mormons like Buttars.
    My wife agrees. What harm does homosexuality do to YOUR marriage?
    Answer? ZERO. It only bothers you because of your painfully puritanical outlook on life. Tell everybody ELSE what to do and how to live.
    Makes ME want to convert to LDS...NOT!!!
    Nothing Christian about it.
    M

  • An Observer
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:13 p.m.

    Do we really want to become a country where no one is allowed to, or everyone is afraid to, voice their opinions, or vote a certain way, because it might offend some other group?

    It this the kind country we want to become?

    Where everyone is forced to only say and vote only those ways those deemed accceptable by some small group.


    Liberals claim they love free speech,

    but these posts are prima facea evidence they do NOT.

    When there are groups of people who think their imaginary right to not be offended (or do anything they want) is greater than everyone's constitutional right of free speech, or to vote.

    then we are in big trouble,

    this amounts to liberal facism:

    You MUST accept everything we do and every we say, and all our behaviors, you do NOT have any right speak out negatively of us, or fight against anything we want, and you are not allowed (or should not be allowed) to hold public office.

  • Michael B.
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:14 p.m.

    I saw an empty limousine pull up and Senator Buttars got out.

  • Alexandra
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:16 p.m.

    Sen. Buttars is completely disgusting. Everything he said is untrue and offensive, he needs to be replaced immediately! Gay people are exactly the same as straight people and deserve exactly the same rights!

  • Tippkid
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:22 p.m.

    I totally Agree!! This man is a genius! If we would only listen to him.

  • Truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:28 p.m.

    The truth is I don't care whether you approve or not of my lifestyle "choices". Condemn me in your churches, curse me as a sinner, and ask your compassionate "god" to strike me down. BUT, your religious views whether Catholic, Mormon, Islamic, or any other have no place in government. Your morals and false beliefs should have no power to dictate my mine. I allow you to do what you want, let me live my own life.

  • Benjamin
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:28 p.m.

    Some day, every Gay and Lesbian will stand before the judgment seat, and admit with abject remorse that they conducted their lives in open opposition to one of Gods fundamental laws.

    God made the world, he made everything in it, and he made us. He therefore makes the rules. He has spoken with absolute clarity on this subject.

    It's devastating to see so many people in the world in open defiance to this law. They are spending their mortality trying to abolish and dismantle this law. And they are trying to force everyone else around them to embrace a behavior that is in utter opposition to God's will.

    This nation and this world will indeed be destroyed as was Sodom and Gomorrah, with sexual perversions as one of the main catalysts for this destruction. What a bitter day it will be for those who have dedicated their lives to the legalization and protection of such practices.

    And as a final note, yes, it will also be a bitter day for those who have not shown love and compassion to their fellow man. Although it's incredibly cliche, "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

  • realitycheck
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:30 p.m.

    wow - this guy is an idiot. and you Utahians keep putting him in office.. probably gets a significant number of mormon votes....

    what does that tell you about Utah? and about mormons?

    but then you all always did have a bizarre outlook on what the problems of society are... you're more worried about divorce rates and unwed mothers than you are about the environment or the economy.

    It's nice to see religious zealotry and suffocating moral views are alive and well in the USA. Sorry we had to leave the 1800s - I'm sure you would have been much happier there...

  • separation of church and state
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    Sen. Buttars is not a pastor, bishop, priest, rabbi or cleric. He is elected to represent all citizens. He takes an oath to uphold the constitution, as such he is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of certain legal categories. He approaches his legal position not as a law maker constrained by legal issues but as a religious zealot on the far right of society (not refelcting Utah's mainstream) to rally support for his pet cause. The rest of us have to watch him, time and again, fumble public policy, destroy lives, embarrass citizens, and demean good people who live productive lives but are different then he is. The NAACP warned everyone last year. It wasn't enough that he said "this baby is black" he then had to go and say "they [the African American community] want to lynch me." Among other horrible things. Now, he's just gone off like a firecracker. West Jordan/Herriman/South Jordan folks you elected this guy. What the heck for? Is he really getting it done up there? Absolutely disgusting. Does he really not know any gay people? Is he really this mean?

  • AK
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:38 p.m.

    Way to go! Society needs to keep gays/lesbians away from young innocent children. I don't care of your lifestyle, but belive you have that right to so choose. This Senator should have introduced legislation to keep these people away from young innocent children. Keep up the front line--you're our leader

  • Too All-Encompassing
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    Just because someone is attracted to the same sex does not mean they break the Lord's commandments; Senator Buttar's paradigm to support his views seems to extrapolate statements from LDS apostles, past and present, to assert that gays, in general as a people, are more immoral and dangerous to society - even though many "straights" have sex outside of marriage. He implies that it is the attraction that will make you inherently immoral, unAmerican, and a threat; an extremist. My patriarchal blessing says that I was obedient in my youth. How does Buttars know that, overall, gay people are more immoral and disobedient? Overall, even gays arrested for public lewdness have never been arrested for another crime. Really, what does this view have to do with basic rights, with basic human dignity (We are Children of God, right?),such as extending health care, probate rights, hospital visits, etc - that a society can conveniently deny another? Since when are straight people fired, kicked out of apartments, denied access to their partner in a hospital, etc. - for being conveniently, unconventionally straight? If gays represent a small minority (around 3-5% while Sodom was everyone-10), how will rights undermine societal strength?

  • sundail
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    Hate and intolerence towards others is killing Utah.

    Judge not, let ye be judged. Our sexual preference is a small part of what God will judge us on in this life.

    Butters racial profiling, and preaching hate is NOT in line with the LDS church, no matter how much some in this community may think so.

  • Your statement
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:42 p.m.

    Re: Mind | 9:07 | 1:05 p.m. Feb. 19, 2009

    about church doctrine, show your lack of knowledge. You have forgotten the very basis of the gospel and that is the atonement of Jesus Christ which paid for sin and weaknesses that have been overcome and repented of. These will be wash away. Learn the doctrine before you spew.

  • Suzi
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:43 p.m.

    We like Butters. He is a great man.

  • to Dave H.
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:44 p.m.

    Or is it Dr. Dave H?
    Homosexuality is NOT a choice, it is a condition.
    You need help more than gays do.
    Another Sandy Mike

  • Boycot The Hate State.
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:47 p.m.

    One more reason to ski SteamBoat Springs, Colorado.

  • re: Numbers
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    Looking at that small percentage helps underscore the problem. That tiny number is trying to control the laws of our country and force people to give up their rights of freedom of speech. The more radical element within that number are working hard to enforce their agenda on others, as shown in many cases around the country, especially MA, and CA. You can say there is no agenda but facts speak loudly and we do not believe the ridiculous assertions that these events are in our fevered minds. We are not stupid. I hate no gay person, but I will not be forced to agree with their agenda.

  • Impossible
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    There is no comparison between gays and Muslim terrorists. They could not exist togeter. Islamic nations have very few gays, because when they come out they kill them. Homosexuality is not tolerated by Islam.

  • BD_SG
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    This view of Buttars should not be surprising. It is after all the logical conclusion of all the "christian" rhetoric on the issue that we have been bombarded with over the last year.
    We have been told that gay marriage will destroy the family, and that the country is held together by the family. Ergo gay marriage will destroy the country.
    Not surprising when LDS leaders like Packer say the greatest threats are "feminists, homosexuals, and intellectuals".
    But Buttars, like Jerry Falwell, and promulgators of eugenics will be remembered in the annals of history as bigots who fought against their fellow human beings.
    Like the church in the dark ages teaching that sin, backsliding, and the Jews caused the plague we now have a dying ecclesiastical class trying to be useful, and they have resorted to their old tricks of seeing devils in the people they can bully and push around.
    Of course we can be assured that when forced to accept their fellow human beings as people there will be revelations and revisions to history showing that the churches always accepted and loved their homosexual brothers and sisters. Who will be shown, through scripture, to be good people.

  • Michael
    Feb. 19, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    Senator Buttars didn't say that he hates homosexuals. He is clear throughout that it is a moral issue. I completely agree with him. I also agree with him that the goal of the Gay community is to push parents aside and teach our children in public schools that homosexuality is normal. It hasn't been viewed as normal for the last 3,000 years and that holds true today. Senator Buttars is right on target!

  • Frosty
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:01 p.m.

    I don't fully agree with his statement, but it's about time our politicians say what they think! Enough of the political correctness that is crippling our society and country! Gays and lesbians claim to be so tolerant and cry out for tolerance, so shouldn't they be tolerant of other people's opinion even if they don't share the same viewpoint?

  • No Man Knows Buttars History
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    Chris Buttars has done more damage to the LDS Church and it's image than Fawn McKay Brodie ever did with her Biography of Joseph Smith.

  • YES YES YES!
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    Buttars is the MAN!

  • One of many factors
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    The moral decay our nation is facing not only will but already is leading to its downfall.
    God exists. He created us. That is true, regardless of the "tolerance" of that belief.
    Goodness and virtue are principles that uphold society. While gays and lesbians have many good qualities as human beings, their actions are not good or "tolerated" by God. He is merciful and forgives those who want to change, but He won't change those who don't want forgiveness.
    The immorality that exists throughout the G and L community, the pre-marital sexual relations engaged in by millions, the acceptance and "tolerance" of pornography will all lead to this nation's downfall (added with even more things such as the increased crime rate, divorce rate, etc).
    When civility is gone from a society, soon the civilization will also be destroyed; what else will support it? Kindness? Virtue? Patience?

    TOLERANCE? No, not even the beloved "tolerance" will save the society. When individuals and communities ask for "tolerance," they are asking that those around them look past what is morally right.

    "Why is there no tolerance for me?" a thief may ask. "This is what I believe in."

  • Change this Around...
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    If Rocky Anderson, say, while he was Mayor of SLC, said the exact same thing, but about Mormons, or Conservative Republicans, you can bet his head would have been served up on a platter. The Double Standard is alive and well in Utah.

  • Christ
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:18 p.m.

    I am not sure how Christ would handle this situation, since it seems Buttars is content in his belief that that is the source where he gets his opinions from. However, I also think that the Lord loves us gays more than straights and Church leaders can understand, and, even if we might be cut off from Him in this life, or spiritually deprived, through our own life-lot and choices-- at least He would want to be able to bless us as much as he can - perhaps temporally as opposed to spiritually. Really, how many straight people would follow Jesus if He commanded them to give up sex & companionship? We already are deprived an eternal companionship and family if we follow our lot in this life. No children to love us when we get older, etc. Really, we are like the non-Isrealite woman that responded to Jesus when he said the things of the kingdom should not be given to the dogs - but she responded back and stated that the dogs still eat the dinner scraps. A little more of scraps would make this life a little better for us lost gays.

  • RE:@Tired | 2:28
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    You can re-read the MODERN version of the Bible all you want, but to best understand the meaning you should read the early versions. According to biblical scholars the "Sin of Sodom" was being unwelcoming and not offering shelter to travelers (also viewed as being 'full of pride'). These were considered grave sins at the time the book Genesis was written since many people lived a nomadic life. Scholars, and the people, at that time would have readily understood the message being communicated.

    The modern vernacular of the term refers to BOTH hetero and homosexual couplings since a man and woman can engage in sodomy just as readily as partners of the same sex.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    An Observer | 3:13 p.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    Do we really want to become a country where no one is allowed to, or everyone is afraid to, voice their opinions, or vote a certain way, because it might offend some other group?

    It this the kind country we want to become?

    Where everyone is forced to only say and vote only those ways those deemed accceptable by some small group.

    Liberals claim they love free speech,

    but these posts are prima facea evidence they do NOT.



    WRONG! Free speech does not mean you are free from the reprisal that it causes. He is free to speak and we are free to disagree and call him names. It is what free speech is all about.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    Benjamin | 3:28 p.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "Some day, every Gay and Lesbian will stand before the judgment seat, and admit with abject remorse that they conducted their lives in open opposition to one of Gods fundamental laws."



    I expect to see love in God's eyes when I look him in the face. I saw love in my mother's eyes, even when I disappointed her. God is love and is perfect. I know he knows my heart and everything I have been through in this life. I am not afraid.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:29 p.m.

    "I hate no gay person, but I will not be forced to agree with their agenda."


    When the Supreme Court of the United States decides that the 14th amendment applies to homosexuals too, will you still not agree that all American are equal? (That really is the gay agenda. I know. I am gay.)

  • To Frosty
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    "Gays and lesbians claim to be so tolerant and cry out for tolerance, so shouldn't they be tolerant of other people's opinion even if they don't share the same viewpoint?"


    Should the blacks have just been quiet when they were not treated equally? What about women? No marching, no protesting?

    We are tolerant of those who have different ideas. But they cannot think that we are not going to talk back. That is what America is about.

  • Which Law?
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:36 p.m.

    I have been reading some of these blogs and am confused at the law which prevents two people from entering into a committed relationship and living under the same roof. Which law in Utah does that?

    I know many people who share apartments or even homes who are of the same sex and no one pays attention or cares. Whether they are gay or not doesn't matter to me. I just hope they are good citizens and good neighbors then I am happy.

    Supporting Prop. 8 or any legislation like it is not the equivalent of breaking up living arraingements or commitments for anyone and could hardly be considered persecution.

    Any group that has been the victim of slavery, extermination orders and the holocaust have truly been persecuted. I believe that I along with most other people in the state believe in "live and let live". The problem comes when any group of people try to impose their will by altering something so basic to society as the definition of marriage.

  • wow
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:38 p.m.

    issues of controversy will always bring out the worse in both sides. Christine Johnson is anti white male (she spoke to my daughters class and encouraged any female or minority male to shadow her for the day and said no to a classmate that was a white male). Chris Buttars is a full blown bigot. Scott McCoy is constantly pushing his issue, as are the majority that are LDS.

    15 years ago, Buttars' statements on homosexuality would not have drawn fire. 30 years ago, his statements on the black baby would have been ignored. Thank God we have progressed. Both sides need to be more open minded.

  • Bobby Jo
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    I guess if a gay hears Sen Buttars remarks he is offended and Sen. Buttars should "roast in peace". But if a member of the LDS faith hears the remarks by those aligned with the gay opinion, they should not be offended.

    Is this yet another double standard?

  • get out
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:41 p.m.

    If you gays don't like the way America works or votes.

    Why don't you leave the country?

    Move to Mexico or Canada.

    Or the Mid East?

    Try liberal gay organizations in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

  • tomtrilobite
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    Senator Buttars has cast himself in the role of defender of hatred on too many occasions to count. It is well past the time when we ought to be rid of him, and the Senate should (a) condemn what he said in the strongest and clearest fashion; and (b) remove him from the Senate! He has singlehandedly alienated women, blacks, gay people, and anyone else with whom he disagrees. Let's get someone in office who truly represents the interests of ALL Utahans. This needs to happen yesterday.

  • Re: Truth
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:48 p.m.

    That's not how the founders viewed things. They believed the constitution could only govern a religious and moral people. Now we are finding out what they meant.

  • Tim
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:49 p.m.

    Credit Butters for speaking the truth. Criticize Butter for making the truth look bad.

  • re: Frosty 4:01 p.m.
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    You have a point there Mr./Ms. Frosty.

    I used to work at the University of Utah. As a returning veteran from OEF and a member of the LDS church, I was exposed to daily acrimony directed towards my religion, my military service, etc., from my "liberal" coworkers.

    Of course if I stooped to their level and fired back, I would have been answering to an EEO complaint.

    Amazing how my new job doesn't tolerate any of it.

    They can "liberally" dish it out, but they sure can't take it.

    from ex-University health care employee

  • Rocky road
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:51 p.m.

    We stand behind Mr. Buttars. The governor stands behind Rocky Anderson. We need stronger people like Buttars to run our state.

  • re:No Man Knows Buttars History
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:53 p.m.

    Amen to that brother !

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:56 p.m.

    Re: Truth | 4:48 p.m. Feb. 19, 2009
    "That's not how the founders viewed things. They believed the constitution could only govern a religious and moral people. Now we are finding out what they meant."


    Read Thomas Jefferson.

    But I will agree that religious people are easier to govern. They have learned to obey early in life.

  • Reality check
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    Americans are losing their jobs, homes, and retirement and you're telling me that gays are the biggest threat to America? What about our debt to China? What about nuclear arms in the hands of a terrorist organization or a rogue state? What about our economy hanging by a thread? Illegal immigration?

    If one is opposed to gay lifestyle based on religious grounds, fine. But saying it's the biggest threat to America on any level shows a complete lack of reality, foresight or understanding of the USA's real problems. For a public official to candidly be on the record with such remarks is downright foolish.

  • Me
    Feb. 19, 2009 4:59 p.m.

    Buttars says nothing about hate. He has not said he hates anyone. I don't hate killers but I absolutely do not like and detest what they do. They are all still gods children and have great potential but their choices adversely affect so many and it is exacerbated when they produce legislation for it. Buttars is not a hating man. He holds himself up against social and sexual activities and not the person themself. Judge him as you may, but he does not hate a person that chooses homosexuality, just what the act of what they do.
    I really dislike some of the things my children do, but I still love them. I don't approve and chastise them for decisions I think are bad but I love them the same.

  • tired of the gays
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:00 p.m.

    My brother and I were talking about how we had become pretty tolerant of the whole gay and lesbian agenda until the prop8 vote in CA. Their reaction and harrassement of the LDS church and anyone who contributed to their defeat just ticked us off. Now we are both just sick and tired of them and their relentless efforts to shove homosexuality down our throats. They are just getting the backlash that they brought on themselves. I think unknowingly they have awoken a sleeping giant, that is, all of us that believe their lifestyle is sick and wrong. You go Senator Buttars!

  • Why all the Hubbub??
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:09 p.m.

    The truth hurts. Mr Buttars just calls like he sees it. He is just calling a spade a spade and a hoe a hoe.

  • Lots of Bad Press for Buttars
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    His name is on several widely read National Websites today. Of course this is bad enough, but particularly damaging are the eyewitness accounts of the abuse suffered by internee's at his infamous "Utah Boy's Ranch" while he was in charge.

  • Dear Rachel
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:12 p.m.

    Wake up and try to see what morality is all about. There are a set of commandments that is God's Law to man - sexual activity outside of legal marriage is sin: and man-man or woman-woman marriage is not legal in Utah. Denial of God does not make God cease exist.

  • Boycott Utah?
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:17 p.m.

    What a PR nightmare for Utah and the LDS Church.

    I'm a native Utahan and keep a residence in SLC and Newport Beach Ca. This is hitting the news down here.

    I am discouraging anyone who brings it up to not travel or spend their dollars in Utah.

    I am ashamed of Utah.

  • Lack of judgement
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:19 p.m.

    He sat down, on record with tape rolling, and said gays are the worst threat to America. Not among the biggest. The biggest. I have no confidence in this mans judgement.

    We are suffering a near collapse in our economy, at war, going into national debt to foreign countries, trying to prevent nukes in the arms of terrorists, illegal immigration, etc. Gays may be wrong, but they are nowhere near our biggest threat.

    How foolish can an elected official be? His need to seek the spotlight will make the whole senate ineffective and divert energy from real issues.

  • re: Waddoups
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    Then why don't all of you get with the dozen disenfranchised others in the state - elect your own delegates to the Democratic party conventions and show how significant your voices are.

    People don't vote because they get to little choice of quality candidates. McCain/Obama is a prime example.

    Oh, did you notice that Buttars beat out the Democrat to get elected?

  • Here's why
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:36 p.m.

    I'm calling it like I see it, too. Buttars is a fool. I'm calling a closed minded religious hoob a closed minded religious hoob. Like BUTTars, I enjoy free speech. I hope he enjoys it as much as I do.

  • Gay rights NOT Civil Rights
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:37 p.m.

    To compare the power grab known as "Gay Rights" to the Civil rights movement or the equal treatment of women is absolutely ridiculous and is an outright insult to all women and all African-Americans.

    Being a woman or black is not a choice. Acting upon and choosing a behavior based on one's urges IS a choice and does not merit special treatment.

    I am sickened and exhausted by the illegitimate comparisons of those wanting Homosexuality to be considered mainstream with the right of someone to be treated equally regardless of the color of their skin or their gender.

    For the decadent, liberal, left the next "civil-right" on the list will be special rights for those who are attracted to children. A pedophile may look upon a child with lust in his heart, but he will certainly not get legal protection and recognition because that was the "way he was born". If he acts on his urges, he will be punished for his sins both in this life and in the life to come.

    Face it. Degenerate behavior is not a right!.

  • Sin of Sodom
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:40 p.m.

    The sin of Sodom was homosexual acts. When they said to "bring them in that we may know them", there was a sin exposed. Try comparing to any of the other references in scripture to someone "knowing" another. "Adam knew Eve and Eve begat...", etc.

    Sin is sin, and no matter what anyone has to say, it it not excused by God. Sodom was destroy because they did not repent of this horrible sin.

  • Very clever and articulate
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:40 p.m.

    Gays are masters at crafting cunning arguments to persuade others to sympathize with/join them. They have learned well from their master, Satan.

  • Me again
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:41 p.m.

    Way to go Senator Buttar! Tell these miserable souls to repent or be destroyed! The judgement of God is upon us but everyone is too stupid to see it!!!

  • Re: Anonymous | 4:56 p.m.
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:45 p.m.

    Yes I have read Thomas Jefferson. He's probably turning over in his grave at how we ignore the constitution these days. And the founders didn't mean religious people where easy to govern. They mean they are more likely to govern themselves without needing or asking for government intervention. Get a clue.

  • Your city is becoming
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:46 p.m.

    very homophobic (or it always was, but just in disguise). Catch up with the times or else be left behind! And no, we won't leave because of this (I'm sure that's someones next comment). We will stay and watch the changes with amusement.

  • re: Boycott Utah?
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:48 p.m.

    Cool, sell your Utah home then and maybe get a flat in SF.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:50 p.m.

    If you are a Christian, how can you not believe what Butters is saying is true? Did Christ ever preach that homosexuality is OK? Homosexuality is not OK and should not be considered as an alternative lifestyle-it is wrong. Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible. We need to elect more people like him that have the guts to stand up and say what is right. It's time that more Americans reevaluate their morals and standards of living and quit making excuses for being a homosexual.

  • ANONYMOUS
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    Think of a gay guy fighting a war......

    :0)

  • Me again
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:51 p.m.

    Why do you think Sodom And Gomorrah was destroyed? I guess you all gays must be athiests. You don't believe in a damn thing except your life style so when somebody steps on your toes you can't stand it! This man has every right in the world to express his beliefs. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

  • RE: Anonymous | 4:29 p.m. Feb. 1
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:52 p.m.

    The Supreme Court already ruled that the 14th Amendment does not prevent states from prohibiting same sex marriage. Baker v. Nelson.

  • Statesman
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:58 p.m.

    Isaiah 5: 20
    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    Props to Senator Butters, we live in the days Isaiah talked about, the gay community wants everyone to tell them it's ok, how can we do that?

  • There are 49 other states
    Feb. 19, 2009 5:59 p.m.

    Why do those who disagree so vehemently with Mormonism, and who feel so "oppressed" by our practices and beliefs, feel compelled to entrench themselves in Utah and bawl for liberalization? You already have 49 states that agree with you, so why don't you just move? Why must we change? Is this what you mean by "open-mindedness?"

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:01 p.m.

    Look at the resources we've put into the 'war on drugs'. How about the 'war on terror'? Thousands of americans, tens of thousands of civilians, trillions of dollars, all spent. If gays are a greater threat than drugs or terrorism, what resources shall we commit to the 'war on gays'? And do we, before the pogroms begin, realise how foolish this all is?

  • dpammm
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:02 p.m.

    As a native Utahn living in Michigan, I'm extremely embarrassed by the WAY Sen. Buttars says what he does. He's entitled to his opinion but the way he goes about expressing it is not much fun discussing the next day at work. He sounds like a racist, a bigot and an unempathetic ignoramus.

  • California Voter
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:08 p.m.

    Hatred? How about the persecution of those who exercised their civil rights here in California? The mapping of people's homes on the internet, the organized theft of our yard signs, the firing of LDS church members because of their religion, the sending of white powder in envelopes.

    I am shocked that Utah would even consider such legislation given the direct and evil actions taken against people here who have strong Utah ties. Thanks for the support, folks. Remember that we fought a battle for you.

    As for Senator Buttars, he's impolitic. He's also mostly right.

  • dpammm
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:11 p.m.

    P.S.- For all the comments about Thomas Jefferson's morality, check out David McCullough's book "John Adams". It's abundantly clear Thomas Jefferson fathered several children with one of his slaves.

    Morality is absolute, but people aren't always strong enough to do what they understand is right. That's why Christ created the Atonement, so we can repent and be forgiven for our missteps. And be strengthened in our weakness.

    Regardless of one's views, more kindness for gays and lesbians is in order.

  • Well, I'm not an atheist, but
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:20 p.m.

    I do consider myself more intelligent than a Bible story written thousand of years ago. The Bible is full of tribal legends and fables. I find the good in the Bible that I can use in the 21st century nad leave the rest that I can't (and don't want to). Some examples are: Slavery, 2nd class citizenship for women, burnt offerings, and most importantly in this conversation: Condemnation for homosexuality. People didn't used to understand many things that we do today...they even used to condemn lefthanded people! Stop speaking in the name of one item in the Bible that you agree with because of prejudice and bigotry, or start living all the Bible (guess you'd have to move to a third world country)

  • scared
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:22 p.m.

    After reading this thread I fear for my friends and family in Utah.

  • @me again
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    Your comments are foolish. Think about it, gay people have had their "toes stepped on" by folks like you their entire lives - they're used to it. I'm afraid it's actually YOU who can't take the heat. The gay community has finally said enough's enough and are pushing back - AND YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT! Well, like it or not, it's just the beginning, and I can tell you no one has any intention of "getting out of the kitchen" - we've just barely started turning up the heat! Just like ever other group that has struggled for equality in this country (and by the way, I only want to be treated equally, I don't care anything about having your acceptance) we will win. Not only is the Constitution on our side, but with each new generation comes a group of young people who no longer see us as a threat to their way of life - and soon they'll be the ones making the political decision in the country. Start coming to grips with it, because it's only a matter of time.

  • al
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:27 p.m.

    Gays the biggest threat to the world? I'd say it is politician/businessmen who want to take out any country that has resources they lust after.
    Greed trumps sexual perversions.

  • Shameful behavior
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:29 p.m.

    I have a gay friend that moved to Utah about two years ago to be closer to family and some of our friends. He is very low key, keeps to himself, does not get involved in politics of any kind, does not wish to ask anyone to accept his lifestyle, works hard pays his taxes and is without a doubt one of the kindest loving people you could ever meet. Sadly even though he never discusses his orientation with people he has become very fearful for his safety and is thinking he is going to have to move back and not be able to be close to his family. While I will be happy to see him again it makes me very sad that he lives with such fear, it makes me ashamed to admit that I ever lived in such a horrible place.

  • so sad
    Feb. 19, 2009 6:33 p.m.

    This thread is a sad commentary of where Utah has found itself. I wish people could take a step back and look at the way they are behaving, it is really disgraceful.

  • Terry
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:08 p.m.

    Does Senator Buttar's have to butter up his words before speaking . He's allowed to speak as he feels . If homosexuals speak out for their rights why can't he speak out for our rights.If we believe his words "back them and him". Our society is slipping and so are our morals. Christ spoke out on his beliefs. Sounds like some people are scared of Senator Buttar's remarks. I'am not . He's one man that is not afraid to speak his word.

  • Frustrated in Draper
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:11 p.m.

    Why does everyone keep bringing up the Founding Fathers? Who cares what they would think; they're dead. They were far from perfect. All men are created equal, they said, yet most of them owned slaves!

    And why does everyone keep bringing up a moral debate here? The argument Buttars makes is that the so-called gay agenda is the biggest threat we currently face. How could anyone agree with that statement?

    Though I have a decent savings account and a pretty good job, I worry about the economy more than anything. Next is the safety of my family from physical harm. WAY down on the list is whether or not gay people can get married, because it really doesn't affect me. What in my life would change if they got married? Nothing.

    Come on people, stick to the story at hand. You may not like the idea of gay marriage, but the biggest threat we face? Not likely.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 19, 2009 7:44 p.m.

    I've lived in Utah my entire life and I'm completely blindsided by how many incredibly angry people there are in our state.

  • Scott
    Feb. 19, 2009 8:43 p.m.

    Butters is right.

  • Anonymous too
    Feb. 19, 2009 9:42 p.m.

    Buttars is a garden variety nut job! I live in his district and I swore the last time he put his foot in his mouth I would vote for ANYONE who was running against him! Right close to half of the citizens in District 10 apparently felt the same way! This isn't about the issues and whether I am for or against whatever he is raving about -- it is about a man who continuously embarrases his constituents -- he needs to find something else to do!

  • Anti family movement
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:25 p.m.

    Why do we persist in calling the anti-family, anti-religious movement gay? The gay agenda is NOT just about 2 consenting adults, but rather about stopping religious freedom and curtailing laws based on morality. Every law has some sense of morality backing it. As an example stealing, killing, hurting others, fraud all have consequences based on a sense of morality.

    Should a child be denied the opportunity to be raised by a FATHER AND A MOTHER? It took BOTH to make a child. When the state DENIES THE INNOCENT THEIR RIGHTS, WE BECOME DECADENT AND DEGRADED! In rare cases a father or mother must raise a child alone. BUT NEVER SHOULD THE STATE FORCE A CHILD TO BE DENIED HIS OR HER RIGHTS OF HAVING A FATHER AND MOTHER. Yet the Anti-Family MOVEMENT wants this to happen. This would be a moral travesty. Full stop!

    This is why the Anti-Family movement and Anti-religious movement must be fought. This group will not protect the innocent! They claim they want rights, but at whose expense? The children will not be protected if their movement succeeds.

    My sister is a lesbian. I love her.

  • Anonymous three
    Feb. 19, 2009 10:35 p.m.

    Buttars is still right.

  • scott in vegas
    Feb. 19, 2009 11:34 p.m.

    He has the right to speak his opinion just like you have right to speak yours. He might be right!

  • The Truth
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:05 a.m.

    1. True Mormons know that, while we are to oppose gay marriage and possibly adoptions (Proclamation on the Family, I suppose) on religious grounds, we should not be standing in the way of all the other rights that the GLBT community are seeking.

    2. The most disturbing thing is that Buttars is somewhat correct when he speaks about not wanting equality. "They want superiority." For some it's no longer a question of equality and tolerance, it has become a demand for unquestioned acceptance.

    3. Although I do not support Buttars, if he steps down or is kicked out of the Senate it will be a terrifying blow to free speech. No one should ever be punished or made to apologize only for what they say. Thank you Equality Utah for understanding this and being willing to forgive. It speaks well of you.

    4. There is some truth to the threat statement, but only applied to those who would circumvent the will of the people and the laws of the land. Most gays are really in it for the rights any person deserves, and certainly are not void of all morals.

  • Go Buttars Go!
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:10 a.m.

    Stop the anti family movement. Stop the anti religion movement. Tell it like it is. Well said Mr. Buttars.

  • B
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:28 a.m.

    Whether you are for or against gay rights, the simple question to ask yourself is are you approaching this with love or hate? Are you treating others how you would like to be treated? That is how you will be judged. There is no room in heaven for hate, only love.

  • jake
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:33 a.m.

    absolutely unbelievable. not just what buttars said but what this comment board contains. listen you theocratic hate-pushers, we live in the united states. this is not a theocracy. we live in a secular society. the constitution calls for a separation of church and state. if the founding fathers had intended for the whole nation to be christian they would have included it in our founding documents. it is one nation under god, not jesus. they left that up to your own interpretation because they did not want government to take away freedom of religion. i am lds and i find myself questioning my belief in a church that would allow such hate and bigotry to grow in its members. let's remember the words of joseph smith when he said that we believe that every person should live according to the dictates of his or her own conscience. please get this abomination out of office.

  • UNDER or ACCORDING to law?
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:40 a.m.

    Gay rights NOT Civil Rights,

    "To compare the power grab known as "Gay Rights" to the Civil rights movement or the equal treatment of women is absolutely ridiculous and is an outright insult to all women and all African-Americans."

    I agree wholeheartedly. I'm offend that they would dare compare what blacks went through to a majority deciding how to define marriage and applying it to everyone equally. No one is being denied a marriage based on race or sexual orientation.

    The problem with their argument is that it would mean that the majority has no right to define any legal institution without it being discrimination. Instead of equal protection UNDER law it becomes equal protection ACCORDING to law. Instead of every 30 year old being able to serve as Senator it means that every 20 year old has a right to be a Senator or it is discrimination.

    We can't discriminate based on age, gender, sexual orientation or race. We can't say a black (gay) man can't marry a white (straight) woman because he is black and she is white but we can say that everyone can only marry a person of opposite sex.

  • Freedom of SPEECH ?
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:04 a.m.

    There is no freedom of speech in Utah
    The entire Legislature needs to go

  • Irene
    Feb. 20, 2009 5:32 a.m.

    It seems over the years we as a people have forgotten who it really is we must please in order to keep our country wholesome, free, and progressing. The world is uncertain, just look at wall street, but God is unchanging. He is at the helm and when we forget that woe but unto us. We must stand for what we believe in or suffer for our silence. When the minority rules the righteous suffer. Look what has happen to prayer in schools, standards on tv and movies, breakdown of families, come on America, wake up, keep our constitution safe and our values high.

  • stereotypical failures
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:03 a.m.

    the problem with Buttar's remarks is that he uses broad generic terms (gay for example is pretty much a worthless term now, at least without some kind of clarification as to which group of gay is being mentioned) to classify a very specific threat against religious and cultural freedoms. As a result he comes across as a nut.

    A better solution would be to point out the specific ideas and tactics that will threaten the country, otherwise this just comes across as paranoid.

  • Meghan
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:14 a.m.

    State Senator Buttars is offensive and ignorant, but the porcine comments of one elected man do not frighten me. The comments of many of the 514 people who have taken the time to write here are what frighten me.

    We just don't live in the same world, do we?

  • Observer
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    The problem with the homosexual agenda is more than just choosing who a person loves. Their agenda is to legitimize gay marriage, then legitimize the raising of children. They want the kids. Once we have children raised in "homosexual" families, the whole purpose for families is compromised and destroyed.

  • Ritter
    Feb. 20, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    The gay life style of homosexuals is like a cancer to the body of civilized society and if it left to grow it will kill society and social family life as we know it today. We need leaders like Buttars to remind us of the danger. The gays are well organized and financed in their fight to get what they want and if they are not opposed they will win.

  • di
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:03 a.m.

    Well said!

  • To Observer
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:10 a.m.

    "Their agenda is to legitimize gay marriage, then legitimize the raising of children. They want the kids. Once we have children raised in "homosexual" families, the whole purpose for families is compromised and destroyed. "


    Silly argument. Gays ARE raising children right now and in Utah! Not being able to marry has not stopped those gays that want children from having them and raising them. No one has ever placed any limit on the procreative freedom of gays and lesbians. All prohibiting marriage for them does is hurt their children by making their homes less stable.

    Prop 8 in CA did absolutely NOTHING to prohibit gays from adopting there. They actually have a law that gays cannot be discriminated against by those who are in the adoption agencies.

  • to Ritter
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    Ritter : Gays are a mere 2-5% of the population. It is the about the same percentage that it has always been. It is not growing like cancer. You can only see it more because it is not hidden any longer.

    You sound paranoid.

  • Fear
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:19 a.m.

    It amazes me the fear people have that homosexual families are a threat to the American family. In our neighborhood we have had a half a dozen divorces over the last couple of years. Not one of these was a result of homosexual activity. In studies on homosexual families raising children it has been found that the children themselves are no more likely to be homosexual than those coming from straight families. The parents love and personal involvement in the child's life is what makes a difference. I hate to upset the fear of many making comments but the homosexuals I know are among the kindest and most caring people I know. They want to live a moral life in a committed relationship. While I don't understand their attraction of the same sex, I know that for them this is real and for most is not a choice. (There are bisexuals that can chose either way).

    One difference that was found in children raised by homosexual parents; they were more tolerant towards homosexuals than others. Just imagine a world with more tolerance. "An enemy is someone whose story we don't know." Jewish Proverb

  • American
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    The Christian life style is like a CANCER to the body of Civilized Society and if it left to grow it will kill society and social family life as we know it today. We need leaders like ACLU & Truth WON Out to remind us of the danger of the American Taliban. The Religious Fanatics are well organized and financed in their fight to get what they want (American Theocracy)and if they are not opposed they will win...but the 14th Ammendment won't letm win!

  • Soul
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:32 a.m.

    I think Buttar plays a vital role in "stirring" the truthfull discussions about the gay lifestyle.

    He has guts to stand up for what he believes. Let him speak to the truth or to his detriment.

    Furthermore, he is NOT a diplomat either, far from tack.

  • Indignant
    Feb. 20, 2009 9:40 a.m.

    How DARE gays want equality AND acceptance?! Who do they think they are?!!!

  • To: Benjamin
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:14 a.m.

    SERIOUSLY!!!!
    The only person to judge us after we die is ourselves, and when I judge myself I want to know that I was being true to myself and my feelings!!
    God is not a dictator, and the bible is an out-of-date way to control people.
    The bible uses scare tactics to make us act and believe a certain way...and it was written by MAN! NOT GOD!!!!!!
    The world would truly be a better place without people like you, or Buttars, or comparably Chavez in it!!!

  • Mandy
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    I wonder what God would think of the hurtful and judgmental things that some of you think about your fellow man. Is it considered a positive trait to promote intolerance and hate against people that, at the root of everything, are the same as you?

    But I guess a bigot will paint God as a bigot as well.

    You teach us to fear God's wrath, but at the same time, to love Him for his forgiving and understanding nature.

    If God didn't want people to be gay, He w0ouldn't make them that way.

    All Buttars is doing by making these remarks is showing the world what a judgmental lot you are.

    No wonder people have such twisted views of the Mormon religion, and the Republican party. You promote their ideas.

    You want freedom of speech? Freedom of expression? Freedom of religion? Yet you would take those things away from another American?

    Yes, I wonder what your God would say about that.

  • Mandy
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:22 a.m.

    Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5).

  • call it by correct name
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:27 p.m.

    Wo unto those who call evil good, and good evil.

  • Roy
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    Are you folks saying that only the politically correct lemmings that bow to the rants of a group that puts their sexuality above the law are the only folks that have protection under the First Amendment? Are you saying that noone else can have an opinion opposite that of the mainstream? Are you saying that he has no voice when he has been elected by a landslide TWICE by his constituency to be their voice and the overwhelming majority of his constituency agree with him? Get real. You guys have been shouting in rallys, on the news and in my front yard for years that you have the right- well folks if you have the right, so does he so sit down and take your own medicine!!!!

  • no appology needed Chris
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    no need to apologize for speaking the truth!

  • an example of people's ignorance
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:44 p.m.

    Isn't anyone shocked enough by Buttars comments? I can hardly believe some people are agreeing with him. What's more shocking is that people in his area keep voting him back. He is not an advocate of the constitution at all. Can you see this? Hello? The greatest threat to our country is the US Constitution. Gays for the most part are not a threat at all to society. The greatest threat are those who love to judge anything and then say they know they are right and ignore the articles of the constitution. The other greater threat to our country or for any country is the politicians lack of understanding and love. Buttars knows nothing what love means and will do anything in order to remain in office and he shows how self-righteous he is and makes a fool of himself. And sadly he isn't the only type of politician around in our country, especially in Utah. But thanks to Buttars, more people are waking up and seeing we don't need that kind of person in our country for true progress. He will not be in office the next time around. Good riddance!

  • Logic
    Feb. 20, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    I think I have the answer. Divide Utah into two parts. One could be gay and the other not. Then put up signs marking each territory. Then, take note of the accomplishments on each side, and decide which is better and gravitate to that side. Give gays permits to visit and vice versa. Perhaps we are not ready to live together yet.

  • The actual count
    Feb. 20, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    I wonder how many posters actually support Buttars.

    I do, and there was nothing wrong with my post.
    Still it "got lost" somewhere in the process.

    Judging by the way the Deseret News allows hatred and vilification of straights and conservatives, I'm sure this is happening to many other posters who are with Buttars.

    If this thread seems about evenly divided as to opinions, I must say that my post is not to be seen anywhere on this thread. It took me some time to research it and frame it in a readable manner.

    I don't know who is the secret pro-homosexual or homosexual apoligist who gets rid of my posts while letting through those of hateful and insulting homosexual supporters.

    I'm saving this post as I do all of them. One day I might send them all to the owners of the newspaper and let them see what their employees are doing to legitimate, perhaps a little too convincing and effective, posters on the anti-homosexual agenda side, and other 'liberal' causes.

    My guess is that the actual direction of this discussion is at least three to one in favor of Buttars on this issue

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:00 p.m.

    Article quote: "Buttars' comments prompted concern among Republicans and Democrats alike, and had some gay-rights activists calling for the senator's resignation Wednesday. "It's extremely offensive and inappropriate, especially for an elected official," said gay-rights activist Jacob Whipple. "It should not be tolerated.""

    No, Jacob, what should not be tolerated are the homosexual actions you encourage. Why do homosexuals choose to return again and againt to sin like a dog to his vomit?

  • So what!
    Feb. 20, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    Buttars is right.

  • REASON vs. DOGMA
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    Welcome to the difference between DOGMA and Critical Reasoning. Statements like "I believe [Gays]will destroy the foundation of the American society," and "In my mind, it's the beginning of the end. Sodom and Gomorrah was localized. This is worldwide." are completely dogmatic and not bases on any reality what so ever.

    The FACT is, that Gays and Lesbians are significant contributors to a society and make it a better place for all of us to live.

    You have to choose between RELIGION, DOGMA and PREJUDICE or REASON, INTELLIGENCE and TRUTH. It's a simple choice for those not blinded by religion and dogma, and THAT is why Senator Buttars must be removed from office-his religion is blinding him and many of you too.

  • Resolving apparent conflict
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:06 p.m.

    In association with the Ten Commandments it is stated:

    The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, AND THAT WILL BY NO MEANS CLEAR THE GUILTY.." (Exodus, chapter 34)

    One version of the scriptures says 'rebellious' instead of guilty.

    Deuteronomy 5:10 gives us.."and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments". Mercy is shown to those who keep God's commandments.

    In the New Testament Jesus pronouced woes and predicted sore judgments on three whole towns who rejected him: Chorazin, Bethsaida and Capernaum.
    He upbraided the Pharisee, Saducees, the doctors lawyers.

    Jesus taught against adultery, of which homosexuality is a form, because marriage is the only legitimate context for sexual conduct, and is defined as a man leaving father and mother and cleaving unto his wife.

    Not only Paul (though he is one of the greatest apostles) taught against homosexuality, but so does John in his Revelation, chpter 22, verse 15. A knowledge of Jacobean English will help here.

    There is a 'loophole' for homosexuals, though, and it is called repentance, and being born again a new man

  • awsomeron
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:18 p.m.

    Goodness you folks get right on it 11 pages already.

    You would think that People would learn Evan Meacham ran into this problem many, many years ago. He had to resign as Gov. of Arizona after only a few weeks. The Lt. Gov. took over and he died not long after, which brought Bruce Babbitt into power.

    Some people they watch and lay for to make a mistake. Free Speech is not free.

    I don't watch TV as much anymore but I heard that there is something going on with Obama and Apes that some Cartoonist is going to lose his job over.

    Butters is Mean Spirited at best, and he appeals to a certain segment of the population and if you are like that and run from the right place you are an automatic in.

    My problem is why does he have to loose his Chairmanships or Resign over what he said. Free Speech is Free Speech. No laws broken.

    He is wrong because the difference is No. One is being Honored Killed. He has not a clue what some Extermist can do in the name of God and Repression.

    However some Gays are very vocal.


  • Anon 808
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:34 p.m.

    People know who and What Butters is and Elected him anyway. Nothing wrong with speaking your mind. George Wallace was an overt raciest and it never kept him from being Governor. Black voted for him because "at least with him you know where you stood" He did in the end say "sorry".

    Some Gays the activist and (most gays are working everyday and going home every night and conducting their life and families in a sane and safe manner).

    What you do with your Genitals is your business and should remain so, your business being the Key Words).

    I assume even hope that heterosexuals are very active, it is a short life and if you do not get it started till your 22 or so then you lose out on a lot. Which is why repeated deployment is so hard on young families.

    People get Married to be with someone, not wait for someone. Although you may understand that for awhile at least that waiting might be a part of it.

    I would Expect no less for Homosexuals, agree with it or not.

    The problem with America is not Homosexuals its Abortion. God created Homosexuals, Abortion he does not get.

  • Tracy
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:56 p.m.

    They will bring us down as a country. And by the way, whatever happened to freedom of speech. Or is that just for the unrightous people.

  • FRED
    Feb. 20, 2009 3:57 p.m.

    SOMEONE ONCE SAID. "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 20, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    search for life and loss in lds at blogspot dot com. It's a group of messages i have worked on to covey the different sides of this issue. thanks

  • SS
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:32 p.m.

    You guys are all still arguing about this (Gays vs Mormons)? Wow, I got tired of it about 2 days after Prop 8 passed. Agree to disagree and move on.

  • Chip
    Feb. 20, 2009 7:53 p.m.

    I wish I could vote for him. Like it or not he is right.

  • Troll Alert
    Feb. 20, 2009 10:11 p.m.

    "Anonymous | 5:12 p.m. Feb. 18, 2009 - Showing his true colors and charging into a mine field trip line, Buttars launches into even greater national notoriety while the balance of shocked Utah residents are tainted and dragged along with him...."

    Who says the "balance" of Utah residents are "tainted" because of his comments?

    Me thinks you are a non-Utah (and most definitely a non-Mormon) troll trying to make it look like the majority of Utahns disagree with Buttars' fierce opposition to homosexuality. That is highly doubtful.

  • I have found...
    Feb. 21, 2009 10:40 a.m.

    That most people in Utah would not say things the way he said them, but they basically agree with him. It's a sad day for Utah indeed. I'm glad that Gov. Huntsman showed a good example, however, but this nut job makes his peace offering go dimmer. You guys better move into the 21st century or you are going to be left behind!

  • Someone Please Tell Me...
    Feb. 21, 2009 5:34 p.m.

    What do gays and lesbos have in common except a parade? They are physically repulsed by each other.

  • Your comments
    Feb. 21, 2009 7:24 p.m.

    Are repulsive. I don't know of whom you are speaking (if you know them personally or not), but I am a gay woman and have many gay friends (men included) and I love them all! (Not the kind of "love" that you are probably describing). I love what they are inside. There are so many people that are misinformed and very hateful!

  • Grandma
    Feb. 21, 2009 8:18 p.m.

    It's an alarming thing to realize one can spout
    obscenities without fear of recourse because of the
    1st Amendment BUT if Sen Buttars says it like it is, he is nearly drawn and quartered. Why the double
    standard? Is it because the gay/lesbian 'lifestyle' is unatural and a type of sexual perversion? I have noticed those that practice homosexuality believe if they throw a big enough tantrum, threaten, intimidate, and refer to those who don't agree with their lifestyle as homo-phobs, hate-mongers, racsists and intolerant, perhaps they will get their own way. BTW for all you gay/lesbians out there, Utah may not be the most confortable place for you to live. But I hear the houses are cheap in San Francisco now.

  • Well Grandma
    Feb. 21, 2009 9:55 p.m.

    I hear that the different races in the United States used to feel similar to how you are describing how gays and lesbians feel. I also know the "guess who's coming to dinner" mentality that the country used to have (maybe still has in Utah and other places), but your will lose in the end. I have to smile at your San Francisco comment and also at a comment about possibly separating gay people from other people in Utah. Sounds a lot like segragation in the South! I would like to welcome you to the 21st century "grandma" and others where we do not tolerate this anymore. Move out of the 1950's!

  • Please
    Feb. 21, 2009 11:07 p.m.

    Please do not judge Utah by the majority of the comments on this board. Most people I know do not feel the same way. I think the message boards bring out the extremists, and that many of the posts here are by repeat visitors. Most Utahns are good people who treat others with respect... at least I like to think we are.

  • James
    Feb. 22, 2009 10:13 a.m.

    Jesus Christ, Superstar!
    Since when do Utahns hold the monopoly on morality? I bet many Gay and Lesbian families have higher morals than many of the snobby, self-righteous, and bigoted people in this State (including Mr. Buttars)

  • He Said What?
    Feb. 22, 2009 12:48 p.m.

    I find Utahn's mentality (more specifically Mormon mentality) appalling. It can only be attributed to the viewpoint held by the majority religion.

  • todays article says it all
    Feb. 22, 2009 1:03 p.m.

    "It happened not because he said a lot of things wrong, although I don't agree with some of the things he said, but because he decided to be the spokesman again when we had decided, as a caucus, and he had agreed, that he was such a lightning rod, that it wasn't productive for him to be the spokesman on this issue," Stephenson said.

    "We support the First Amendment for everyone, but part of that is taking accountability for what is said. What Buttars said disrupted the civil process, but he has the right to say what he wants," said Will Carlson, Equality Utah's manager of public policy.

    So the conservatives are squelching Buttars free speech and trying to blame it on the gay community, what a shocker. I agree with Equality Utah he has the right to say what he wants and frankly I love it when he talks he just hurts his own cause. You cant blame the gay community form capitalizing on his stupidly.

    PLEASE KEEP TALKING BUTTARS

  • Intolerance
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:19 p.m.

    Patrick | 4:00 p.m. Feb. 18, 2009
    "I guess I kind of have to admire Sen Buttars for saying what he thinks...Certainly, this is not a very popular thing"


    Yes indeed INTOLERANCE is indeed unpopular in overall America society today. But it's unfortunate that there are still people like you or Mr. Buttars around.

    Lets create a Red State where you, Mr. Buttars, Rush Limbaugh, and likes can immigrate to. Something similar to what Pakistan did for the right wing Taliban among their society.

  • A dif. between gays and churches
    Feb. 22, 2009 2:53 p.m.

    The gay movement and mainstream religions are similar in the sense that they adhere to philosophies on life and how to find happiness therein. One big difference is that the gay dogma ultimately destroys families and limits progeny where mainstream religious dogmas ultimately strengthen families and encourage/help progeny.

  • @a dif between gays and churches
    Feb. 22, 2009 6:38 p.m.

    and the research to back your claims is?

  • Congratulations Utah...
    Feb. 23, 2009 7:04 a.m.

    For having such an articulate, handsome and well educated spokesman for your views. Senator Buttars has done nothing but reinforce ugly stereotypes (hopefully erroneous) about this state.

  • Nathan
    Feb. 23, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    The Mormons sure quickly forgot their own heritage - where they were persecuted and chased for their abnormal views on marriage and family (polygamy). Now they make a 180-degree turn and persecute others.

    Just another fundamentalist-Christian group full of hypocrites and the uneducated. Big surprise.

    Personally though - Buttars should be allowed to voice his full opinion. If we start silencing people who say controversial things, then our republic will absolutely fail. Agree or disagree, he should definitely never be called to resign for his opinion.

  • I agree Nathan
    Feb. 23, 2009 9:09 a.m.

    And sadly, the last part is probably true too, but just the fact that this guy was elected to office shows your sad point. People like this guy shouldn't be elected since their opinions (which they can have) is so publisized! It is a real shame that his views bring down Utah.

  • To gays and churches
    Feb. 23, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    "gay dogma ultimately destroys families and limits progeny where mainstream religious dogmas ultimately strengthen families and encourage/help progeny."


    I totally disagree. Gays have families. They are raising children right here in Utah. They come from families that they love. Tell me how they destroy families.

    Religious Dogma on the other hand, tells us that gays are sinners and that they aren't as good as we are. This is what is tearing apart families by the love that parents have for their children and the love that they have for their religion. Talk to a parent of a gay child. Ask if the child is causing them distress or if it is the religious dogma that they adhere to. You might be surprised.

  • Choice, not race
    Feb. 23, 2009 11:11 a.m.

    People are calling for this guy's head, saying that he is racist or prejudice. Remember, homosexuality is a choice: men or women partner. No one is born with being forced to be gay by their personality.

    I say good for this guy for standing up for his values, and in what he thinks is right. Families are the most important unit in the world, and any attack on them is offensive and should be defended!

    I'll vote for this guy again!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2009 1:34 p.m.

    This just shows how ignorant the state of UT is.

  • Disgusted American
    Feb. 23, 2009 2:03 p.m.

    Hey Choice,not Race....WHEN did you choose to be straight? huh? when? According to you...you had to choose...so, tell us when did you,and how old were you when you made this choice? Maybe YOU need to READ the words of Corretta Scott King..who Felt that ALL citizens INCLUDING LGBT citizens should be treated Equally!...She referred to the LGBT struggle as a CIVIL RIGHT ...and SHE will ALWAYS Trump you!

  • gay is boring
    Feb. 23, 2009 2:45 p.m.

    Why so much talk on dull behavior? Why does not everyone flock to articles on gardening, hiking, cooking, writing, tennis or soccer? Are we all perverted? There is more to life than talking of the most base and filthy nature of a few. The reason some are gay is they do not have any other hobbies----they are bored with life and only want to talk of one topic----only one. I don't go around telling people of my innermost thoughts and struggles and tendencies, so why do I have to listen to yours? Nobody cares about your lifestyle, gay is old and dull and boring----tell me something new----like what business you are starting, what school you want to build, what food recipe you have discovered, what book club you enjoy attending----what music you like, what history fascinates you, what travels you enjoy. To only talk of one subject means you are dumb. Life is suppose to have variety, color, taste and hope for a great future, that some can only talk of one subject is proof they have a bigger problem than they realize.

  • Ann Nonimas
    Feb. 23, 2009 2:47 p.m.

    "TOLERANCE AND APATHY ARE THE LAST VIRTUES OF A DYING SOCIETY"

    Aristotle

  • Frazer B.
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:09 p.m.

    Disgusted American, Are you saying LGBT forever? Is Coretta Scott King part of the LGTB. Are you quoting her as an absolute authority? Where do you get off on all the rhetoric? I think that is very Buttar's like.

  • You are boring
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    People that don't know how to face their feelings on a subject are boring to most. Sure, we like hobbies of many kinds and we can talk about them anywhere. But why would we want to talk about them here? Well, I guess that we are talking about life having "variety" at least. Unfortunately, many in religion don't have as much variety. You can only talk about your versions of the "truth" and your versions about how people are "supposed" to be according to your scriptures and your version of God. That is boring and we are tired of it.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    "I say good for this guy for standing up for his values, and in what he thinks is right. Families are the most important unit in the world, and any attack on them is offensive and should be defended!"



    What about your attack on the families of gays? Aren't you telling the children being raised by gays that they don't matter? Why can't you support ALL families?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:47 p.m.

    "Don't believe it? Look at what has happened and is happening in California, Massachusetts, Canada, and Europe."


    Please elaborate.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2009 3:58 p.m.

    Who's selfish? | 4:55 p.m. Feb. 18, 2009
    "Wow, it always kills me when someone thinks being gay is the ultimate act of selfishness -"


    They are reading the very old pamphlets that the church used to put out. The new ones are very different and are much more loving and understanding. They actually show that you can be born with same sex attraction and still live a righteous life. So much different than what we used to believe.

  • Calif. Prop 8 supporter
    Feb. 23, 2009 4:21 p.m.

    Good for him for standing up for what he believes in and not allowing the winds of society to change that.

  • Nigel R
    Feb. 23, 2009 5:52 p.m.

    I think "Gay" is an interesting topic. I also think it is a misnomer. I can't see anything positive about the life style. They have a high rate of the aids disease and are confused in gender identification. How many gay people had two mommies and or two daddies when they grew up. I think abnormality crept in and created a "condition." How many of them can procreate? Is that what you call normal? I hope medecine will soon come up with a cure. I think the gays would be happier to be able to straighten out gender identification. At least Buttars was up front. He didn't come through the back door as so many do.

  • Brad
    Feb. 23, 2009 6:24 p.m.

    "I hope medecine {sic} will soon come up with a cure."

    Are you kidding me? I am ashamed for the 90% of you who think this conversation is okay.

    I'm embarrassed to live in this state. And ashamed of those who think it's okay to just tell people to leave if they don't like it.

    Stunning. Pathetic. Simpletons, all of you. Your grandchildren will be embarrassed for your presence on the wrong side of history.

  • I agree Brad
    Feb. 23, 2009 7:00 p.m.

    Some people in this state are backward and not very intelligent. It's showing people and it's nothing to be proud of.

  • new nethods
    Feb. 23, 2009 7:26 p.m.

    I agree Buttars is right. If we tolerate sin, we should not be surprised if God strikes at our economic jugular to bring this country to ruin. It used to be famine and plagues but HE has found a more effective method to deal with our civilizations sins. The people in Noahs day thought he was a nut job too but that did not stop the flood.

  • RE: Anonymous: 3:58
    Feb. 23, 2009 7:37 p.m.

    Yes, the Church has changed its pamphlets but as for the overall teachings NO. The fact that one may be born with an attractiveness to the same sex doesn't change the view of the Church that when you act upon that attractiveness that you are committing a sexual sin. That is why every President of the Church to President Hinkley have all stated it as a CHOICE.

    These are facts that I feel many members of the Church fail to realize. President Spencer W Kimball stated emphatically in his book, THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS that homosexuality is a choice. This was restated again by President Gordon B Hinkley in his book STANDING FOR SOMETHING. The pamphlet is just that a pamphlet but it doesn't carry the entire teaching. The other is that the Church also stands against any sexual sins outside of Marriage. The Church as a whole for its young people teaches abstenence from sexual relations unless it is under the rules of Marriage.

    Don't mix the two.

  • Re; A
    Feb. 23, 2009 10:40 p.m.

    Your friends offered condolences because you moved to Utah? Wow, I'd give anything to trade you places. I am stuck in the great liberal State of Washington.

    I'd much rather put up with politicians like Buttars than those we have here who lie about not raising taxes, then go ahead and do it. We've taxed ourselves into one of the highest unemployment rates in the US.

    I'd love to escape all of these "sophisticated, educated" folks around here (the ones I teach at the University) and get back to where people are real. All these enlightened liberals are so open to different ideas and free speech (not really).

    Would love to trade you places!

  • THIS JUST IN
    Feb. 23, 2009 11:14 p.m.

    Gay is choice; a bi sexual person who goes back and forth was not born to do so----it is choice. Yes, I am hetero and yes I choose to be so because I choose to want to be a father. The most basic teaching of the Bible is Abraham wanted to be a father, and that God had a Son; and so can you. The Bible is a book on family, not on doing what you want even though we all are free to pretty much do as we want, but we can not choose the consequences. All sin hurts the family. Nobody is born into this life without ancestry and family and relatives---NOBODY. Everyone born into this world has a mother and a father----there is no way around that. Do what you want in your own room, just remember the Bible teaches your body is not your own, you might think it is your own, but what God giveth, He can take away. Noboby offended more people than did Jesus, it doesn't mean we should try to offend, it is just that nobody can argue that the family is not important.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 24, 2009 12:51 a.m.

    I will say this. This guy has guts to say those things. Politicians walk on egg shells and worry about offending people by what they say. This guy said exactly how he felt. In this day and age it is better to be politically correct, but it's not always honest. I don't agree entirely with what he said, but I can see why he made the points he made.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 27, 2009 6:10 p.m.

    iv gotten to the point where things like this dont really make me angry, so much as heartbreakingly sad. how can ppl have such hatred? its not homosexuality thats bringing the world down, its the intolerance and prejudice its being greeted with. u dont have to be gay. you don't have to agree with it. but u DO have to respect those who do.

  • Jim
    March 14, 2009 2:21 a.m.

    Religion is the DEATH And DESTRUCTION of the entire world.

  • manskillz
    April 11, 2009 4:47 a.m.

    I am hoping that Buttars and anyone who holds onto the same sentiments as truth just keels over quietly in their sleep. The world would be a "buttar" place without them.

  • Michael
    Nov. 13, 2009 11:58 a.m.

    I knew a man in Hawaii who worked for a painting union that was dominated by Gays. He told me that if he would stay in the union they would force him to become gay. He was trying to figure out how to keep his job without becoming gay. This is what I have against gays as a society. Ultimately they want the rest of society to think and be like them to the point of stripping away freedom of conscience and religion. Actually, my religious convictions are that if anyone gets involved in this they are in deep sin.