Historic event filled with examples of hope, unity, graciousness, they say
The graciousness of these leaders toward our new president is striking. God
bless them and Obama both.
I, too, agree that we should unite behind our new president and pray for him.
He has enormous problems to solve--some caused by the greed and deceit of some
government and business leaders and some caused by the greed and deceit of some
Americans. But most Americans are good, hard-working and caring people. If we
work together, hopefully we can climb out of this horrible economic crisis, a
terrible war, and a man-made catastophe of people losing homes, jobs, and health
care. May God bless bless our country and its new leader, that we can become a
beacon of light and liberty to the world and not a symbol of abuse and
Thanks for those observations, Brethren. I truly feel that the Lord is giving
us a new opportunity to heal the many schisms that exist in our country. I pray
for Barak continually.
While many of us in Utah did not vote for our new president, I am sure I am not
the only one who felt proud as our nation continued to carry the torch and show
the world that peaceful transfers of power are something to celebrate,to aspire
to, to demand. Democracy in its many forms will always be the hope of all those
oppressed in so many foreign lands. Like many of you, I will pray for our new
president, and his administration. This is a great nation, and will continue to
be so, as long as we revere and worship the Lord of its creation. I hope and
pray the new president holds fast to all the ideals of our founding fathers and
continues to show the world why our land is so great! Land of the free, and home
of the brave! God Bless You, President Obama, in your righteous desires for
The ironic truth is, the LDS Church may be more welcome among liberal democrats
than conservative Republicans and Evangelicals. Go chew on that for a while...
In case you aren't up on the recent Prop 8 news, the Church doesn't do things
just to be politically correct. Even though President Obama's
ideals are different in many ways from the Church's doctrine doesn't mean the
leaders shouldn't call for support. Members of the Church believe in being
subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates. Just because there isn't
always agreement between the two doesn't call for a lack of civility on the part
of either. I believe the Church will continue to take stands on
issues that affect the moral integrity of the people whether it is politically
correct or not. And I believe that the leaders will sincerely pray for Obama to
be a good president and do a good job in leading the nation. Those are not
mutually exclusive commitments.
Obama is against everything the church supports? Apparantly your "everything"
includes just a couple of high-profile topics and not the dozens or hundreds of
areas where his principles coincide quite well with the church. While a lot of
his support may come from an emotional draw, I encourage you to make the most
out of these similarities because he'll be your president for at least the next
LDS Welcome | 2:50 p.m. Jan. 21, 2009The ironic truth is, the LDS Church
may be more welcome among liberal democrats than conservative Republicans and
Evangelicals. Go chew on that for a while.You hit the nail on the
You have got to be kidding me Mr. Rout. By now means has Obama said anything
that goes against Church policy. And for you to say that the Democrats are the
ones who run on emotion then I really think you should take a look at your own
Obama does not go against the teachings of the LDS Church. From what I
understand about the church, it teaches its people to love one another, no
matter race, color, religion or sexual preference. The LDS Church that I know
teaches service to others. See obama wants everyone to give service to others
when Bush taught us to shop in our time of need. Obama is not divisive like Bush
was. He knows what it is like to grow up without. Unlike Bush, who went to
I have written things against our President.But..If church
leaders feel we should follow this man,and pray for him.I have
now repented and will follow his leadership.
There are 2 Church doctrines here: 1. Standing up for what's right2.
Being subject to presidentsThey are paradoxical, meaning they appear
to conflict, but nevertheless do not conflict.
I believe the LDS Church leaders, as they should, support the President of the
United States as best they possibly can. Pres. Uchtdorf is a man of great
integrity and expressed his spiritual emotions in a great way ~ and it was
impressive to note how President Obama returned that support.Clearly
there are differences ~ but the beauty of the American system is to be able to
live together in love and harmony as we work on those differences.
Now you've got me all confused. Were the Church Leaders "inspired" by the
inauguration, or did they feel "deep emotion" at the inauguration?Why are DN writers trying to find multiple ways to say the same thing: LDS
Leaders attended the inauguration.So what? Quit re-mixing it to
create more headlines! It is really starting to annoy me!
Brothers and Sisters,Parties and politics aside. I think now (as always)
is a great time to support our new administration in the things we can support.
Disagree and debate the issues we need to debate. The fact you disagree does not
mean you can't support. Although he was not my choice for President does not
diminish my willingness to pray for guidance for him and his administration.
People deemed the most wicked of men have been changed in the blink of an eye.
I'm hoping for some change in some of his philosophies in hopes of a stronger
America. My greater concern is this country's willingness to change where we
have failed. Now is a testing time for them as well as our new President.
I just read (Pres.) Obama's official position on abortion. Now compare his
position with I Cor.6:19-20. Add to that the following quote "abortion is the
most damnable heresy in the world today". (Spencer W. Kimball)
The truth be told, If the LDS Church were a voting individual they would be a
Democrat. Look at the relief aid, the welfare system, Education and the care of
the elderly and less fortunate. Throw out individual/non-political and personal
choices like abortion and they are much closer to being Democrat that the
corporate relief GOP.
After reading these silly posts day after day it is clear that religion muddles
human thinking. Reality and logic are waiting for you..
God is not a Democrat. God is not a Republican. There is plenty of good to be
found by LDS church members in both parties.
I am now old enough to say that I have witnessed many transitions of power in
the US presidency, and when it is from one party to the other, there is always a
fear from about half the nation that things will be catastrophic. Well, there is
some good in what each president has done, and there is always plenty to
criticize, too. I have learned by this point in my life that if we continue to
pray for our president's wisdom, and even revelation, and we remain vigilant
about issues that counter our faith and moral standards, things will turn out
OK, and before you know it, it will be time to elect someone else, or re-elect
the current president, if the majority of American voters have concluded that
his good points still outweigh his bad performance. Keep your blood pressure
under control, folks. I did not vote for Obama, but I certainly know the
importance of prayerfully supporting him as our elected leader, similarly to
what we do in our church meetings when we sustain a new ecclesiastical leader,
with all his/her human frailties. Give people a chance, for heaven's sake. Time
Gee you can clearly see both ends of the spectrum here. We live in a democracy
and the people have spoken. It's the same thing that happened with Prop 8. Let's
pray for our new president as he will be our leader whether we voted for him or
Obama is the great man to ever live in America. He has our full support. He is
our hero! it's a great day in America.
To the L.D.S.first presidency;Four (4)years from now i would like to see your
true opinion of obama printed in the D.N.I will be suprised if it is the same as
it is now.
Having read the article I would ask where the commments specific to this article
are? There seem to be a lot of comments being made that are primarily directed
at pushing political opinions from folks who are both republican and democrat.
It seems to me that the more interested we are in pushing political ideas in
other folks faces, the further away we are getting to the message that President
Uchtdorf and Elder Ballard were trying to get across. They never discussed
political parties, or didn't anyone notice? To Maggie, there has been a lot of
talk of uniting parties from the democrats. Tell me, where in your comments
would anyone get the idea that you were even remotely interested in bridging the
political party gap? It's not about proving how right we are, but rather about
showing the humility it takes to admit when we are wrong, forgiving others for
making honest mistakes, and moving forward for the good of everyone. Thomas
Jefferson and John Adams were diometrically opposed politically, yet they were
humble and gracious enough to work together to draft the Declaration of
Independence. Getting over our pride is our biggest challenge.
kmshummy,As a Latter-day Saint, I have studied Obama's policies to
date on abortion, and I agree with them 100%.
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in
obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." This means we are subject to
President Obama. It does not mean we have to agree with everything he does. In
fact the Church has openly come against many of things Obama stands for.
(Abortion, gay marriage, Socialism, etc.) Although these are some of the major
moral issues of our day, I will support him on the issues he has right and let
my voice be heard on those things he is wrong.
I applaud LDS leaders for wanting Pres. Obama to succeed and believe we should
follow what they have asked us to do...But it seems their support
will largely be in word, not in deed, and all of us already know what Pres.
Obama wants to do, and a lot of Obama's views and positions go against what the
LDS Church teaches and professes that its members ought to promote in the
community and exemplify in their lives. I do not believe you can
fully support Obama without adopting his positions and philosophies...those who
think you can need to wake up to what Obama REALLY wants to accomplish--the
world is not going to be in love with Obama forever.
Wrong. Liberal- Feed a man a fish and he eats for a day.Conservative- Teach a man to fish and he will be able to provide for himself
Obama believes the same thing that the LDS Church teaches when it comes to
Abortion. It should be legal in cases of rape or incest and if the mother or
child are in danger. That IS what the church teaches. That IS what Obama
We have no voice anymore. The Republican party has become corrupted
and polluted, and the Democrats just sit around and bicker (not to mention the
long-standing pollution and corruption that has been there too!). The government does not care about taking care of the needs of the
people--they only care about doing what's good for them and keeping themselves
in power. I'm sick of the "our voices are heard" rhetoric. That's
just political fodder calculated to make us feel better about how undemocratic
our government has made us. So stop trying to fool everyone--you're
only making a fool out of yourself.
Did anyone notice that the Apostles mentioned in the article said they felt
"deep emotion" all around them but not necessarily the "direction" of the
emotion? They said they believed that much of the nation would unite behind
this leader but what will the outcome of that unity be?Good? Bad?
They also said that it was good to see many people united in their
hope that Obama does well and that we need to pray for our new President. No
argument there.However, if anyone is saying that because of this
article that the LDS church and/or its leaders is essentially endorsing Obama
you'd better read the article again.
Come together with this new President...I can't believe you would possess the
audacity to use the LDS Church as a scapegoat for trying to be gracious and
So, you pray for President Obama's success, huh? You want his programs to
succeed? You want bigger government, do you? I'm not praying that he succeeds.
I'm praying that the damage to our rights, as outlined in the bill of rights,
is minimal and that our liberties are not taken entirely from us. That's what I
pray for. I certainly DON'T want him to succeed. Wake up, people!!
Thanks Des/News for another interesting article.
Just a reminder to please not feed the trolls. All forums are better when we
ignore remarks that are clearly written only to infuriate others.
Adolph Hitler is in the house? Well thank goodness we can count on our new
president to show HItler the front door.
I'm a different Wayne. I think that newspapers should quit allowing opinions.
The stupidity and malice expressed herein is beyond comprehension and ought not
to be displayed openly.
Dan Coombs,Hitler? Really??
Policies and making too much sometimes about the little stuff ---Truth be told --- we (I) survived the Clinton years and the sky didn't fall.
While every President, Democrat or Republican sets out with a lot of ambition,
there is one major obstacle standing in the way of all his promises ---
Congress.So even for those who disagree with Pres. Obama, most
likely he will not turn the entire country into a liberal state.The
point is --- were we heading the right direction had McCain been elected? ---
more of the same economic policies --- even as he tried to distance himself.
More recession? Methinks not.Even with 1 day in office and during
the transition period, here we have a leader that is finally willing to be
presidential and do something about the economy.
I did not vote for Obama but I am sure praying for him to succeed. Haters on
both ends of the political spectrum are what's wrong with America. I couldn't
watch the inaguration on TV but I did lisyen to it on the radio in my car. I
kept hearing someone butting in every now and again with smart alec remarks.
When it was over I found that it was Rush Limbaughs radio show. He was mocking
Obama during the speech. How classless. I'm sick of the far right and the far
"You "Mormon" Obamites need to look up the IllinoisState Born Alive
Protection Act."I looked this up. Obama voted against this law. A
smart people would next ask why? The reason was under the law passed in Illinois
in 1972 doctors were already required to save a live born baby?If
you recall what you should have retained from school, doctors take the
Hippocratic Oath. This oath has the same requirement.Being a smart
leader, Obama voted against a law that made no real improvement on existing laws
and would cost the taxpayers millions to litigate in courts.
The spirit of contention is of the devil, for those of you wet blankets arguing
points that have nothing to do with the article. Along with Elder Ballard and
President Uchtdorf, I had the privilege of attending the inauguration and relay
the same feeling in the air. It was one of reverence, peace, unity, and
tranquility. I've never been in such a serene yet exciting atmosphere at the
same time. I heard there were over 2 million people there, yet not a single
arrest. Everyone was very civil, while I witnessed others going out of their way
to help complete strangers in various instances. The spirit was beautiful and
genuinely showed the best of what humanity has to offer.
(Mot the 'maggie' that posted earlier)I feel certain that President
Uchtdorf and Elder Ballard expressed nothing but genuine sentiment regarding
their experience at the inauguration. President Obama has the ability to tap
into peoples better impulses (not referring to the church officials attending
here - I'm certain they're impulses are firing in the right direction as it is).
Why in the world is that threatening to some? Intelligence and growth cannot
exist when thoughts are entrenched and immovable.
I am sorry for those who cannot take the leaders of the church at their word
and know that the church does want a more peaceful, charitable, kind nation.
Obama may not be to our liking and but he needs this country to help him get
out of the mess it is in now. He is one man and he needs help and we need to be
noble enough to pray for him and the others that work with him to be touched
by the Spirit to lead this beloved country into a more peaceful and solidified
nation. I love this country and will pray for Pres.Obama as the Two Church
leaders asked us to. I think we would all be happier in our hearts if we would
try this way of helping our country. We need unity not division. Thank you
Pres. Uchtdorf and Elder Ballard. I will follow your advice.
The editor put spin on this story with the title. There is nothing in the
article that says that they (Elders Uchdorf and Ballard) felt strong emotion
themselves, they simply noted that they could sense it was a time of strong
emotion for many people. I don't see anything that says they were personally
emotional about the occasion.
Maybe you missed it, but the writer of the story was a Church News writer. I
don't think he got it wrong. I think the Church probably proof reads those
articles so that there are no mistakes on what is conveyed to the members.
I did not vote for President Obama, however, there is a difference in praying
for him to succeed and praying for him not too. I would love to see him succeed
in Uniting this country and the world. I would love to see him get some of his
programs through without socializing the government. I would love to see him
receive inspiration and take heed of it. Sometimes that is putting personal
choice to the side and doing what is actually right.I'm LDS and I
don't feel our leaders are in any way endorsing the President. However, they
are hoping just like most Americans are that he is able to acoomplish things
without damaging the Church's stand on certain issues. We as a people need to
be more loving and charitable than any other people on this earth or in America.
We have the full truth of the Gospel at our disposal. Talking about praying
against him is the same as failure to love our enemies. We really need to read
and head the words of Elder Hales at the last General Conference. This goes for
all of us.
The more I read Deseret News, the more I'm glad I'm not in Utah! I'm a devoted
Latter-day Saint who lives in the Southern Baptist Bible Belt. I voted for
President Obama, and I'm glad I did. I was sick of the ranting and raving and
hatefulness of the Right Wing Republican Party, so I dropped out. I voted twice
for President Bush, and I think he did the best he could during an extremely
difficult time. Our new President is also coming into office at a time that is
extremely difficult, perhaps, in some ways, even more difficult. Instead of all the ugliness I've seen here, including a few posts against the
Church leadership, we should all be praying for our new President, and for our
nation. Our Church is all about brotherhood and unity. I think our new President
might be a bridge to make that become more of a reality in our nation, too.
Let's give him a chance. Some of you need to realize not all good
Mormons are Republican. Some of us are Democrats. That doesn't make us
apostates, as some seem to think.
Lynn is right. Not all good Mormons are Republican. I have voted Republican
for President many times. I voted Democratic, however, in the last four
elections. I think Obama is an intelligent, inspirational man, who really cares
about people. If he can pull us out of the economic mess we are in right now, I
bet even the Mormons as a whole will love him. All Americans should at least
give him a chance.
I believe that Dieter Uchtdorf is a great addition to the leadership of the LDS
Church. He brings a refreshing open-mindedness when he speaks.
We're just laughing at the whole inaugeration/ coronation. Was that
serious?Albert Speer would be laughing.Same jam, different flies.
There is no difference to both parties, people should not think otherwise.The packet looks good, lets now see whats in the box. I wont judge him until
then. Still, he can't be worse than the other joker you had.(PS.
When does he get his crown and sceptre?)
and me, my wife and children all voted for Obama. We pray for his success in
guiding this great nation through very difficult times. We are very hopeful for
this President and that he can lead this nation.
Ref Lynn 1157 PMHERE HERE! I have spent most of my life OUTSIDE of
Utah, and a good deal out of the United States (career in the US Army). I'm
also a life long member of the Mormon Church. MOST of the members of the Church
are not Americans - and MOST of the countries our members live in would make the
United States look like the conservative bastion of the world. I currently live
in England - and almost all of our members here would have voted for Obama/side
with liberal leaning politics. That same thing could be said for good, temple
recommend bearing members throughout Europe and a good part of Asia. I laugh
when I read the 'negative' comments here that assume everything the church does
is aimed at Utah or American politics. You really need to come out from
underneath the bubble and breath some fresh air - both "Utah Mormons" and the
Utah Mormon haters. The Church goes so far beyond the borders of your narrow
minds.I'm a McCain conservative (not Republican) who is praying for
President Obama to lead our country in wisdom and light. God bless him, please.
John in DCYou are the shining example of why I despise the
Republican party and why I left it! You ought to be ashamed of yourself!Even though I am not LDS I agree with the two gentlemen representing the
church. It's time to be unified as a nation. Not divisive. For government to
succeed we need to do our part. We need to meet government half way. To spend
the next 4 years in criticizing our current president in everything he does and
sitting around paranoid is a waste of time! I realize now that even though I
feel Bush was a horrible president, maybe just maybe if we as a citizenry had
taken more responsibility for our nation and not just sit idly by and complain,
things could have been different. Who re-elected Bush? I challenge everyone on
here (particularly the naysayers) including myself to get behind Obama and
support him. If he slips and falls, so be it. Speak up, not just complain, use
our representatives and our power as citizens to change that. 4 years from now
we can elect someone else if necessary!
There is so much confusion on this comment board. Here's the thing: Of course
we pray for our governmental leaders. Of course we uphold civil authority. But
for Elder Ballard to say that we should pray for Obama to succeed in achieving
his objectives, does not mean that Elder Ballard necessarily agrees with the
means that Obama may choose to reach those objectives. What are the objectives
of Obama: to restore the economy, to achieve world peace, to preserve liberty
and fariness. Of course we want those objectives met. Those are the objectives
of both conservative and liberal (well some liberals - many liberals want to
yoke the nation in communist style bondage - but that's another topic). It
appears to me that Obama has well meaning objectives - even though his
philosophy is all wrong as to the means for achieving those objectives. Example:
Obama wants to improve the economy and he thinks trillion dollar stimulus
deficit spending. I disagree and contend that philosophy will only wreck the
nation. But is Obama's objective good and right? Yes. Only his means are
wrong. Elder Ballard wants us to pray to reach the objective, not necessarily
adopt the means. Savvy people?
I was at inagural too. I'm an ex-pat Utahn working in D.C. And LDS too. I was
totally put-off by the boos that erupted all around us when Obama thanked the
Bushes for being gracious to them in the transition. What classlessness! THat
wasn't Obama's fault.. but a lot of his supporters are haters... they have this
psychosis of hate against Bush. And even thought I didn't vote for Obama and
don't support his march towards Socialism and wealth redistribution, and cringe
when I see this morning that he's going to issue an Executive Order lifting the
prohibition on federal funds going to groups counselling abortion...as well as
halting off-shore oil exploration in the wake of $4 a gallon gasoline last
summer....I still hope and pray that Obama succeeds and that he doesn't
experience the hate that the Bushes received and didn't deserve!
Obama is now the President of the United States. Nothing can change that. It is
time to move on and do our part in saving this nation from its current problems.
Prayer is really the "only bullet" we have in our power to save this nation.
People say they will not pray for him. It is not prayer for him as an
individual. It is prayer for our country, our families and, yes, even our
Church. Nay sayers, give it up. You will be happier and feel more secure.
J. Reuben Clark, an eminent statesman and Church leader wisely pointed out where
our allegiance should lie (not to the man, but to the Constitution):"Today, our duty transcends party allegiance; our duty today is allegiance to
the Constitution as it was given to us by the Lord. Every federal officer takes
an oath to support that Constitution so given. The difference between us and
some of those to the South of us is this: down there, their fealty runs to
individuals; here, our fealty and our allegiance run to the Constitution and to
the principles which it embodies, and not to individuals."God give
us wisdom and enable us in these times of trouble and strife clearly to see our
way, that we may be instrumental in sustaining the Constitution, in upholding
our free institutions, our civil rights, our freedom of speech, of press, of
religion, and of conscience. If we shall stand together we shall save the
Constitution, just as has been foreseen, and if we do not stand together, we
cannot perform this great task."(General Conference Report October 1942,
We had a choice between the party of, lies lead to war, eavesdropping on the
innocent, corporate welfare and the candidate who cheated on his wife to marry
to beer heiress trophy wife vs. a family man who believes we need to heal our
rifts, find a way to live in peace with security, care for the poor and needy
while rescuing us from greed through service to each other. I
thought the choice was pretty clear, obviously others did not. What we need now
is to come together and quit looking for the mote in our brother's eye while
ignoring the beam in our own. Our nation is divided, our economy in
shambles and our military stretched beyond its capacity. I hope we spend our
energy fixing this mess, not tearing down each other.
I was particularly struck by the comments of REST IT. So, the church is against
socialism? That would imply that the chrurch preaaches that we should privatise
all public institutions. The truth is that we are in fact a socialized nation.
Consider our police, and Fire Departments as well the the military
establishment. These are all goverment run and funded. The premable to the
consitution makes it clear that the purpose of goverment is to among other
things "provide for the common wealfare" This is essential to empowering us to
maintain "life liberty and the persuit of happyness".In many ways
the church itself is a socialistic institution, sharing its wealth as it does in
many wsys, (consider cost sharing in the building of new chapels)That could be
viewed as a redistribution of wealth. Cosider Joseph Smith's United Order,
clearly socialistic,some might even say communistic. You seemed to have bought
into the theory that socialism is inherently evil. Well, when you get to heaven
maybe you will have to buy your own mansion if you can figure a way to take your
money with you.
Obama is intelligent, eloquent and visionary. He is also not pro-life, did not
support the marriage ammendments, and appears to believe government will solve
our economic problems instead of free market principles. He did not support
Judge Roberts or Alito. And according to the Washington Post today, "President
Obama, an outspoken supporter of a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy, is
expected to reverse that prohibition today or in the near future." The strength
of the Church lies in its adherence to principles, and not people or
personalities whose actions may contradict its teachings. We must continue to
oppose those who teachings or practices violate those principle - even if it is
the President of the United States. On issues where we may agree, I hope Obama
will govern much conservatively than he has voted. But if he doesn't we have the
obligation and duty to speak out.
I am sure that many who claim our new president's values differ from ours as LDS
have not taken the effort to read his own words. Having read both of his books,
I can find very few differences between my values as a faithful Latter-Day Saint
and Christian and his. Those differences that do exist relate primarily to
specific and unique LDS doctrines and policies. His story of redemption and self
discovery is exceptional. His description of his spiritual awakening is
inspirational. The applications of his principles to his family and public life
are exemplary. I pray for his success.
I know there are alot of good Mormons who are Democrats. I also realize there a
lot of Mormons who don't study the facts, history, or current events and vote
for incompotent people to govern us.I'm sure there were a lot of Nephites who
wanted Kings to rule them too. Were they Democrats? I do hopt things turn around
in our country. but by his first policies Mr Obama has shown us the dark side of
I voted for President Obama because I knew that he was a good man, a man with
decent values, a man who could make a difference. I will pray for him and his
safety and for his lovely family. I have to laugh when the church says that
they have no political affiliation because it is just taken for granted by my
ward that you vote Republican and make comments that are inappropriate. I
almost walked out of Sunday School one Sunday when the lesson turned political.
I use to consider myself an Independent but kept leaning to the Democratic side
so I am a registered Democrat now. I have church friends that wouldn't even
watch the inauguration because a Democrat won. Pitiful.
I agree with "Attended Also." I was at the inauguration. The feeling there was
amazing. A feeling that cannot be replicated by pictures or news articles on
this event. If you were there, you get it. I was happy to read this article
because the Elders were right on with their comments. There was a peaceful
atmosphere and people were showing genuine kindness towards one another. There
was a feeling of unity among all to move forward. It was simply incredible!
To all the people trying to make political statements, I think you've missed the
whole point of this article. It really doesn't matter what's occurred to this
point in the political discourse of the country, the hope is that we can learn
from our mistakes and move on. I for one think it's time that we put aside our
differences and join together, which is what Elder Uchtdorf and Elder Ballard
were saying. What an awesome opportunity to start over.
Your ward, specifically members of it who make comments, aren't 'The
Church' just members of it. If Sunday School gets political, tell them so. If
you don't want to, I will.
Richard,You said "I am sure that many who claim our new president's
values differ from ours as LDS have not taken the effort to read his own
words."Please tell us what values you are talking about? I am LDS.
Do you presume that you have the same values as I do? Why? Isn't that a bit
self-centered? Has it ever occurred to you that other LDS believe differently
than you? That we have different values than you? Who knows if we share the same
values unless we talk specifically about them.What values are you
L.D.S.for Obama!.How sweet the words.Inivite Obama to the state to study the
Welfare Program. I am sure he would like to adopt it, on a National level.
I see a lot of people on here complaining that Obama's position on abortion
doesn't align with the Church's. Well guess what: neither does the G.O.P. party
platform that McCain supported. In the 2008 platform the Republicans opposed
abortion in all cases even including cases of rape, incest, or when the life or
the health of the mother were at risk. During one of the debates, McCain even
openly mocked the "health of the mother" clause.This is VERY
different from the LDS church position, which states:"The Church
allows for possible exceptions for its members when: Pregnancy
results from rape or incest, or A competent physician determines
that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or A
competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not
allow the baby to survive beyond birth."If the GOP had its way, the
LDS position on abortion would be illegal.
i will say it againthe bretheren have a big job ahead of themtrying
to bring home to utah the grace, sense of world community and love that they
experiencedit does not seem to exist at the stake and ward or
individual level here. and we are americans especially utahans do not make up
the majority of church memembers.
Grimble, You had me until you made the following comment: A
competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not
allow the baby to survive beyond birth." Than my friend, (to quote a
liberal republican) Is absolutely NOT TRUE.. Pres. Hinckley outlined the church
view on abortion a few years ago and this statement was not part of it. Yes the
GOP view is different from the church.. But the Dem view is completely 180
degrees out of phase. We will never have peace in politics until everyone
becomes Democrats. You see only Democrats/liberals have opinions and views that
should be heard. If you don't believe that just ask a one. Everyone else are
close minded bigots. (read some of these comments) Yes the church has a
welfare program and helps the poor. But if the person is able they are put to
work. Don' even try to compare that to government welfare. I will support the
president unless he goes against what I think is right. I will treat the
president with respect, unlike many of the people at the inauguration treated
Pres. Bush... Heaven help us all. We will need the prayers.
I enjoyed reading the comments today, They I felt they were more united and less
nasty than sometimes. I am active LDS and voted for Obama because I felt that he
could accomplish some important things that the other candidate could not. All
the candidates had their positive and negative sides. I fell that part of what
these brethren were saying is that we need to show less contention and more
Christ like love for others. We can disagree without being disagreeable. From my
observations the Church really does want a two party system in the Church and in
the country. I have noted mean spiritedness from both the religious right and
liberal left. It is fine to continue to work for what we believe is good
My husband and I are missionaries for the LDS church in South Africa. This
election of President Obama has been an important event for America and for the
Church, in my estimation. It is clear by the election that America can see the
value of differences. This reflects well on the Church for missionary work in
this remarkable country of Africa with its vast differences in cultures,
languages and race. I am proud to be an American and a Mormon who now have a
black man as president whom the world looks to for a better future. Africa
believes in that possibility with this election and the missionary effort can
add greatly to that hope.
Lets see, In two days the Messiah has opened the doors on future murders of the
unborn, froze wages of his staff because 100,000.00 per year is rich, and signed
to close Guantanamo without a plan of where to put the terrorists.Like
they say beware of false prophets or in this case presidents.
I wonder which one of his great policy initiatives they were thinking we should
unify behind and pray for the accomplishment of first: Unprecedented open access
to abortion (i.e. Freedom of Choice Act)? Nuclear dissarmament in the face of
threats from Russia, China, etc.? Or was it one of his many bad ideas (universal
healthcare, more nationalization of our financial institutions, crushing
environmental restrictions, etc.) which will inevitably weaken our market
economy and lower our standard of living? These men should consider their
flocks and the responsibility they owe to them, before misleading and confusing
them with such thoughtless comments. This is just another example of how
so-called conservative leaders have allowed liberal policy initiatives and
legislation to be construed by the public as "mainstream" and "tolerant" without
Steve,As an active, Temple-worthy Latter-day Saint, I am in favor of
the Freedom of Choice Act as well as nuclear disarmament. Universal healthcare
is also a good idea, and is working very well in many developed countries. We
also need much more regulation and oversight of U.S. financial institutions (or
did you miss the Madoff scandal?). Finally, the environmental restrictions are
fostering the development of alternative sources of energy that are already
limiting our oil-rich enemies' power over us as a nation, and increasing the
sustainability of our industries and overall economy.In your
political sour grapes mentality, you seem to also be willing to lash out against
religious leaders. It appears rationality has almost entirely fled from your
I expected absolutely nothing less from two Apostles. I am very proud of them
and very proud of our new President. President Uchtdorf made an excellent point
in his reference to the Obama family. They are a beautiful example to our
country and to the world. I believe that many prayers have been answered by
people of many faiths in this election. As a very active member of the LDS
church I am alarmed by some of the views I hear and read that are critical of
our new President. It never causes me to rethink my own faith. But, it does
cause me to wonder if some of the same people who would ask someone to pray
about the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon might be less inclined to pray
themselves - for direction - in choosing their elected officials. I for one
feel very blessed to have been alive during - such a time as this!
Steve,You throw labels around as if they mean something. "Liberal"?
I do not consider myself "liberal" at all. You presume way too much.I am in favor of the Freedom of Choice Act as well as nuclear disarmament, but
you don't know WHY. My reasons for being in favor of these may be extremely
"conservative" reasons. For all you know, I may be some ultra-conservative
religious fanatic trying to usher in the millenium by voting to destroy the
world as quickly as possible!Like I said, it appears rationality has
almost entirely fled from your thoughts.
To Steve, I recommend you read President Kimball's talk "The False
God's We Worship". I remeber he spoke of those who put their trust in "missiles
instead of the power of God."
I'm an Independent Conservative and do not support the likes of Barack Obama in
any way shape or form. He and his party, especially his party are more
responsible for the condition of this country than anyone else. For those who
are still wet behind their ears, had better take a look, just what party was in
power when Roe vs. Wade came into being For those of you who think that the
Messiah has returned, had better take a wait and see attitude, because this man
being President for only 2 days, has yet to show his true colors, but if you are
paying attention, he has along with congress already started his slide into
socialism. Wait and see
Dear LDS For Obama,I do not know you, but I do know that 'rational' people
understand that labels DO mean something. Their application may not always be
perfect, but they are useful for helping 'rational' people categorize things.
Again, I do not know you -- other than, that is, what you have told me already.
Your support for universal healthcare, abortion rights, environmental
restrictions, nuclear dissarmament, increased federal regulation ... all this
would suggest to any 'rational' person that you have much more in common with
liberals than conservatives.Furthermore, I think 'rational' people would
conclude that these categorically 'liberal' policy positions are antithetical to
the principles of the American Founding -- those who have taken time and pains
to study the subject, that is. Furthermore, I think most Christians in this
country agree that those positions are antithetical to Biblical (and Book of
Mormon) principles. If you don't think Christians are rational, that is your
own concern. P.S. Please don't try to usher in the millenium -- America's not
perfect, but it is my home and I like it here. :)
I applaud those of you who are supporting our new president, even when you
didn't vote for him. I was thrilled to vote for him and for his election as I
believe he will show by example the way to unite this country.Those
who are hoping he will fail are unbelievable. If he fails, we will all be worse
off. For those of you and others like Rush Limbaugh, at least you'll have
something to complain about for at least four years--that should make you
happy. For the record, as senator, Obama did not want to vote to
change abortion laws because there was no provision included which addressed the
health of the matter. Also, he is NOT for gay marriage.
To Steve, Liberal means many different things to many different people.
I have read many articles that accuse the Democrat Party of abandoning the
principals of "Classical Liberalism". On the other hand, to state most
members of the Church are "not liberal" is a bit much. If you had qualified
geographically your statement, it would have a greater chance of being true, but
it still seems to have no relevance to the discussion at hand.
Steve,You seem to be striving to convince yourself that there is
more consensus among "your people" (conservatives) than there really is. You are
also trying to categorize me in such a way that you can easily dismiss my
position as an anomaly among LDS. That is not rational or accurate, but I
understand how it makes you feel warm and fuzzy.
John Pack Lambert,Your use of the term "Classical Liberalism"
reveals that you have no clue what you are talking about.Classical
Liberalism has NOTHING to do with the "liberalism" of the Democratic party.
Classical Liberalism refers to the ideas of liberty espoused by Thomas Jefferson
and others of the Founding Fathers, and is more likely associated with
Libertarianism today. Most "classical liberals" (if they would label themselves
at all) are so "conservative" they make your views look like radical
socialism!John, please try to know what you are talking about BEFORE
Lynn:"Some of you need to realize not all good Mormons are
Republican. Some of us are Democrats. That doesn't make us apostates, as some
seem to think. "Who cares? Are you worried about your standing with
the Lord? Look, I give political party no thought in relation to spiritual
matters. Heck, I have seen Harry Reid in the temple and didn't give it a second
thought. The only problem I have with SOME LDS Democrats is when
they are more in love with the idea of being a Democrat rather than actually
arguing the merit of the Democrat positions. Some LDS Democrats fancy
themselves as a rebel, or are infatuated with themselves in a Democrat party
suit. These emotional Democrats are the ones I have a problem with. That is
the worst reason in the world to be Democrat. They instantly think they are
more different, more individualistic, more equal, more "broad-minded than thou",
more global. Whatever.
Alex,And how do you know these "emotional Democrats"? Are you also
endowed with the clarvoyance to spot the same kind of "emotional Republicans"
and are you equally as condemning of them? (You seem an awful lot like one of
them! Does self-loathing fit into your worldview?)
OK, I voted for him. I taught in an integrated school before 1978 and prayed for
the day the Priesthood would be extended to fine young people of African
American heritage. I comforted good kids when MLK, Jr. was killed. Today I am
delighted that an individual who loves family and is not afraid to be a role
model of responsibility stands as our President. None of the politicians, just
like the rest of us, is perfect. We do not elect a Savior. We have one. We elect
an person, complete with his (or sometime perhaps her) perfecting to do. God
bless America, our multi-cultural, imperfect, yet wonderful nation.
im so tired of these CLOSED MINDED CONSERVATIVES!! Anyone who claims to be a
member of the LDS church and says anything offensive, racist, or against our new
president should look in the mirror and see who really is going against what the
church says. Its a time to unite and bring this change that pres obama asked us
all to bring. Together we will bring it. im so tired of these CLOSED MINDED
CONSERVATIVES who wont even listen to what the others have to say. I am so proud
to be a member of the LDS church and now its true.
To the 3:57 poster, You are the first person who has ever accused me of
being a socialist. And at highest the third person to ever accusme me of being
associated with 21st Century liberalism. There are many definitions of
liberalism, and I do know what form of "classical liberalism" you are speaking
of. It is along those lines I was thinking, but more along the lines of the
break between the liberals of the 1950s and movements that came after them.
To the 4:46 commentator, It is not racism, but showing a lack of it.
It is showing that for some people at least race is not a barrier to
interaction. I appreciated the statement, and am tired of people jumping on
others for including too much information in their reports.
John,Nope. Wrong again. Do you want to keep guessing under the
delusion that you have a clue, or would you like to ask for help?
Elder Ballard said: "We need to exercise our prayers and help Obama accomplish
the great objectives that he has set."Partial birth abortion? Heck
no! Subsidized abortion for Mexico's people? Not! Socialism? No!
More bail-outs? Nope! Nationalization of economy? No thanks! Bigger government? Yeah, that's all we need! Marxism? Negative!More spending? That's what got us into the trouble we're in! Just
what 'objectives' was Bro. Ballard referring to???
Barrack Obama is not for many of the things you speak of above. He is not for
Partial Birth Abortion. I am a woman, a Democrat and someone who has had
miscarraiges. I know how painful it is to be judged because some thought I
might have had abortions since I wasn't pregnant anymore. There are many women
that consult with their doctor because of health or other reasons and their
preganncy may end. It is nobody's business but her's and her doctor (and
possibly a guidance person). It is important for those rights to be in place
and they will stay in place.Also many of the other comments you made are
miscontrued. You need to look at them again and not with a closed mind.
I am LDS and I felt very good about voting for Barack Obama because his message
is about service, community, and peace between our county and other countries.
It seems to me that the apostles him to achieve his goals that he may bring a
new era of unity and peace. And as an aside, I don't think that Sean
Hannity is one of the ordained apostles of the church since I see a lot of his
I apologize that I didn't proof read before I sent my comment. I meant that it
seems to me that the apostles want him to achieve his goals.
"I apologize that I didn't proof read before I sent my comment. I meant that it
seems to me that the apostles want him to achieve his goals. "The
only problem is that he is so nonspecific and nebulous about specifics, that you
can come away from his speech believing that Obama believes in whatever you
believe in, which is impossible. Speechwise, he is an empty slate. If Obama
wants peace and love, then I want to achieve that goal too. But so what...who
doesn't? I can honestly say that I want him to achieve his goals of
peace and love too, but that is not saying anything, because it doesn't address
how it is to be done. Wanting peace and love does not translate to government
health care, gay marriage, and socialism.
So many people are blinded by party politics that they ignore their own beliefs
when it comes to government. Listen to what the man has to say and see what he
does. If you disagree with some of his policies speak out in support of your
position, rather than against the man.
I didn't vote for Obama, so all those who say I am not a supporter, I don't
really care. I'm quite conservative in my political views, especially since I
am LDS. Let's get one thing straight, I didn't elect Pres. Obama,
the american people did though. As an member of the LDS church, we believe we
should be "subject to kings, president, rulers, and magistrates, and in obeying,
honoring, and sustaining the law of the land." I am subject to Pres. Obama,
because I live in the USA, but I don't have to agree with his political views.
I disagree with his health care policy, his abortion policy, his Guantanomo Bay
policy he just announced, and many other things, but I am still subject to his
choices. I agree I should pray for him, but to pray that he will
make the right choices. That's my stance, and the church has not
asked me to change it, so I won't.
One of the problems I had with Obama is that I didn't know that much about his
background or his policies. I never really saw him vetted by the press. He's a
great speaker and he was able to communicate emotionally.And as for
coming together, unity, getting behind the President: I didn't see or hear a lot
of that talk when Bush was elected. I heard about 8 years of stealing an
election. Also, I will always respect the Office of the President of the United
States, not necessarily the office holder. He certainly has the opportunity to
earn my respect but he doesn't get it carte blanche just because I get a warm
feeling inside when I hear him speak. Sometimes I respected the decisions Bush
made and sometimes I didn't but I always respected that he was the
President--there's a difference. And the same will go for Obama.
I felt Deep Emotion Too. Deep anxiety about Obama's spending to oblivion plan,
rewarding those who don't pay taxes with my hard-earned tax dollars. Yes, I
felt it too. But my deep emotions left me reaching for my bottle of Maalox.
Many have mentioned OBAMA as a hero. Really? He has only been president for 2
days. How can you know?
to I felt it too.You should have reached for your maalox years ago
when they decided to deregulate everything including key financial institutions.
That is the fundimental reason that we have to have such dramatic, and yes
costly government spending. Oh, and also take a look at the cost of "waring in
foreign lands" Surely, that has been a load on our economic stability,
benefiting only those that have profited from the war.
It is my belief that Obama is not the devil incarnate. I expect he is bound to
get some things right, and Ive already seen him get some things wrong. I am
willing to give him a fair shake, and to judge his job as President according to
his actions. I will not allow myself to get swept up in a tide of emotion for
or against him, which is just petty and silly. I also refuse to demonize him as
a person because of his job as President. Care to do the same, Bush haters?There is an ugly eagerness in this country to quite hatefully deride
someone on a political basis. I prefer instead to give Obama a blank slate (as
of noon eastern time, 1-20-09), and pray that he will be able to improve the
situation for America as a whole, rather than favored groups or policies out of
harmony with the Gospel. While I believe much of democrat policy is out of
touch with the Gospel, I believe Obama is in a position to do some good and I
want to encourage it.I believe this is in keeping with the Brethrens
I voted for Obama, so I will support him.I did NOT vote for Uchtdorf
or Ballard, so I don't care what they do or say.
Ive noticed a lot of people making derogatory comments about Utahans,
particularly LDS. Having once lived in Utah, Im probably qualified to say that
its largely a bunch of hoo-hah. The only people I met in Utah that werent
friendly, courteous, respectful, civil, and charitable in every way were the
embittered types who had an ax to grind with the Church or some member of it.
I've never seen so many Darwin fishes in all my life as I did every day in Salt
Lake City.Perhaps when a non LDS person moves to Utah, they feel
overwhelmed by the predominant culture; like an outsider. Thats to be expected
anytime someone moves to an area with a high concentration of any demographic.
Whats not understandable is the rancor exhibited by those who have it in for the
Church, or the smugness with which even Church members outside Utah occasionally
regard those Utah LDS.Every single LDS I knew in Utah was a
beautiful human being. Im tired of hearing non-Utahan LDS disparaging their
Utah kindred. Its unwarranted, in my experience.
i did not vote for Barak Obama, nor do I feel he is the greatest man to have
ever lived in America (Anonymous)he hasn't done much of anything yet. However,
watching the inaguration with my little children (6,5,3) I saw just a few
million of all the millions of Americans who are counting on him to make a
difference in their lives, and seeing the hope in their faces I pray that he
does not let them down. And for all of the critics out there, he will control a
lot of what happens in your lives so you better be praying for him. And a Thank
You to President Bush for 8 years of service.
I agree with you and everytime I read The Book of Mormon I can't understand why
so many Mormons are such right-wing Republicans. Perhaps that's why the Brethren
want us to read and reread the book. To become critical thinkers and transcend
I did put a lot of thought into my vote. I didn't vote for him just because I
felt a warm feeling about peace and love. I would suggest reading his books
"Dreams from my Father" and "The Audacity of Hope." And of course, we can't put
so much hope into him that we expect too much, but I think he is an honest
politician who truly cares about the country. And I do understand it is also up
to us; we can't rely on the President to solve all our problems.
I will always pray for whoever the President is, but I can not pray for him to
accomplish his goals. Most of them are not the Constitutional prerogative of
the President, and many of them are not even desirable. What
happened to D&C 98 and 134?
Spencer,The Church leaders obviously suspended D&C 134 when they
openly supported Proposition 8.Does the word "Apostasy" sound
Its_ChetThank you for your very thoughtful and insightful words you
hit the nail on the head with both comments.
To It's_Chet,Your post sounds like a convoluted way of saying "Too
bad if you feel uncomfortable among Mormons. It is YOUR problem. Get over it.
Only the BAD people (non-Mormons) in Utah are not nice."Is that
about the gist of it?Because YOU are ONE of the hyperjudmental,
Mormon bigots, you obviously have to try to defend yourself and your Mormon
friends against the hurtful truth that you are all a bunch of clique-ish,
elitist, arrogant fascists!
How exactly would D&C 134 conflict with support for proposition 8?
Hope gives way to ugly reality. I hope all who earns for Zion realizes what
state we are in. The Elders of the church are called to save the constitution.
Obama is set on destroying it...ignoring it at best. So, within the
first two weeks of his admin, his loyalty to Islam is proved in the closing of
Gitmo and he allows our foreign aid money to be used for abortions. Yep, what's
next? The D&C clearly states that He holds us responsible to support the laws
which are constitutional......all else are an abomination unto Him. As for me, I'm teaching my children about the constitution, the divine nature
of a free market....so that when this completely collapses at least they will
have some ability to start fresh with the same ideals that made this country
great. As for now, we'll watch and have been watching for years as
unconstitutional presidents have widdle away our freedoms and taxed us into
It is amazing to see how unbalanced people can become when they are so severly
enclosed in one demensional culture that controls the vulneable mind. We all
hope Laura will find a way out and realize a life for herself and the children.
"We survived the Clinton years"?Really, that clown disgraced
the presidency, AND opened the door to 9/11.I see NoBama going down
the same road.....Heaven help us.
I guess you are not LDS? In your comment: "I did NOT vote for Uchtdorf or
Ballard, so I don't care what they do or say."But if you are LDS, at
least 3-4 times a year, members of the LDS church are required to vote or rather
sustain their leaders. This voting (sustaining) is done at general, stake, and
the ward conference level. Another way to look at it is obedience,
the same way you would show Christ.
I am LDS. Sustaining is not voting. That has been made perfectly clear by Church
leaders.They are men, not Christ. Obeying God and Christ is not the
same thing as obeying Church leaders. We "sustain" Church leaders. That does not
mean we "obey" them. The words do not mean the same thing.When it
comes to spiritual and Church issues, I listen to Uchtdorf and Ballard and
consider it in light of inspiration and revelation directly from God.When it comes to political issues, they have nothing to say of interest to me.
They are spiritual leaders, not political leaders.
Spencer,You must read D&C and pray about it. If you are worthy, the
Spirit will testify to you that the Church's support of Proposition 8 conflicts
directly with D&C 134.If you are not worthy, then you may be
deceived into thinking there is nothing doctrinally wrong with the Church
supporting Proposition 8.
the whole picture --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Is this what is even partly meant that we cannot live on borrowed light? As
far as the unity, love, and support of presidents and othergovernmental
officials, that's great, okay. The bottom line is, sure, we will still support
with love and unity, but that is not the weight of the matter or the whole
perspective of the picture, so let's not use the love and unity as a disguise to
hide or cover up other more weighty facts and figures to that picture. Despite
of all the love and unity, nevertheless, at times and most usually, we cannot
love what they do. Let's seperate that. We still need to keep an ever so
watchful eye and educating our governmental officials, supporting them when they
support Constitutional laws and educating them otherwise. By their fruits ye
shall know them.
Clinton kept us save for eight years and left us with money in the bank. 9/11
was on the Bush watch and he left us broke. It would be great if we could get
Clinton back for anothe eight years.
Why on earth should I care about what these people think of the new president.
I want real news. I want to know what the pope and other religious leaders
So much anti-Mormonism on this page. It is surprising how many people would
rather discuss the "wrongs" of the church rather than the article. I fully
support Obama, although he was not my choice. "We believe in being subject to
kings, presidents, rulers..." We be subject to them! We don't have to agree with
everything; this isn't a page to try and attack Mormonism.
Sustaining is NOT voting. Sustaining does not mean blindly obeying. Church
leaders are spiritual leaders, not political leaders.
ToAggie fan said:I agree with you and everytime I read The Book of
Mormon I can't understand why so many Mormons are such right-wing Republicans.
Perhaps that's why the Brethren want us to read and reread the book. To become
critical thinkers and transcend ourselves.I read it all the time and
it always makes me think when I come to this passage in the book: And now behold, I say unto you, that the foundation of the destruction of this
people is beginning to be laid by the unrighteousness of your lawyers and your
judges. Alma 10:27
There is a reason why the leaders of the LDS church are in the positions they
are in, in addition to being called by the Lord. They have disciplined
themselves in following our Master and Savior, Jesus Christ. They listen to
what the Savior would have us do. Pres. Dieter F. Uchtdorf and Elder M. Russell
Ballard have set a great example, one I believe the Master would set, in loving
and commenting in a Christlike manner. We should be a happier people. If I
have learned anything recently in my life, it is that criticism of others is a
festering sore that poisons us more than the person we are criticizing. Is it
any wonder that the Savior himself said to the early Saints through the Prophet
Joseph Smith, "I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you, it is
required to forgive all men." (D&C 64:10) He also declared in verse 8 of that
section, "My disciples, in days of old, sough occasion against one another and
forgave not one another in their hearts; and for this evil they were sorely
chasten and afflicted." Love one another comes to mind, too. Love, Brent