Well, at least no one was hurt.
That gives new definition to being shot in the head.
This story just made my day. I love a good laugh. Glad everyone was okay.
Too funny, Observer! Really, though, this kind of an accident isn't newsworthy.
I'm glad no serious harm was done to anyone, toilet notwithstanding.
Then toilets will run rampant and take over. . .
^^^ Observer = funny.Discharge of firearm is newsworthy.
Loved the story. Headline is a bit misleading though - man shoots toilet? He
didn't shoot at it - he DROPPED the gun, which then proceeded to shoot the
toilet. (Was he sitting on it? Now that wd've been uhm, hilarious)Headline should read "Toilet Shot!" because that is what happened, the man
didn't shoot the toilet.
The unanswered question in most minds, "Did he wash his hands"?
This is newsworthy because of all the doofuses who defend "the right to bear
arms" and never admit that most who conceal carry are as inept and potentially
dangerous as the gent who iced the john. On the other hand, who hasn't felt the
urge to pull out your pistol and blow the plumbing away when it leaks or is
backed up. . .
Having a concealed carry permit is one thing. Having a round chambered and ready
to fire in the restroom of a fast food joint is unacceptable. I support the NRA
and the right to carry, but come on, this guy could of killed somebody due to
his carelessness. Who needs to have a round chambered and ready to fire???
I can't stop laughing. I'm glad no one one hurt, but this story just makes me
smile. Truly, it represents an only in Utah sort of moment. To
truly newsworthy, I think the plural is doofi, and I hope all of them (concealed
carriers) think twice as a result of this article.Thanks to Ben
Winslow for a great laugh.
Where do you get, by this story, that "most who conceal carry are as inept and
potentially dangerous as the gent who iced the john"? Use blanket statements
often? Tell me what your political affiliation is, your race, education,
religion, etc. and I bet I could throw some out there on you.
One will get you twenty that we didn't get the whole story. When you look at
the mechanism of a Kahr pistol, it is pretty plain to see that the thing isn't
capable of firing from being dropped! Something else must have happened. That
will be the real story!
What a Moron !: You say it's unacceptable to have a round chambered in a
restroom. Do you expect him to un-chamber the round when he goes into the
bathroom? How about un-chambering the round when he gets into the restaurant
from the parking lot? What you're proposing is making it MORE dangerous by
creating unneeded instances of gun handling.The pistol was not in a
secure holster. That was the main problem here. I've carried several pistols
over the last 5 years and have never had one drop out of its holster because I
purchase good quality holsters, and yes, I carry with a round chambered. A
criminal is not going to call you and make an appointment before he shows up, so
you must carry a pistol for protection that will work the instant it's
needed.Speaking of carelessness, do you or your friends ever talk on
the phone while driving? I'm willing to bet that thousands more are injured
every year due to that than accidental firearm discharges.Sadly, you
don't *really* support the 2nd Amendment if that is your attitude toward
Let's see, my race is swift, my education is better than yours, my religion is
God's own, and my political affiliation is Straight Party. But thank heavens
that there are brave concealed carry holders to protect us from marauding loos.
Maybe the whole not chambering a bullet is a good idea. I mean, fire
extinguishers have the separate nozzle that you have to attach before you use
them. And fire alarms have all those codes you have to enter before you can
pull the lever. And of course, everyone knows that brake pedals in cars have
that lever you have to move to the side before you can press the brake. Makes
(putting Karnac hat on)Loobertarian! (end Karnac)Only
in Utah, for sure. Who needs a 40mm just to use the john at a fast-food
restaurant, except a right-wing paranoid gun-nut? (Probably all depressed
because he lost his life savings to The Free Capitalist scammer.)
Another example as to why the happiest day of my life was when I saw the sign
"Leaving Utah". One of these days someone should add to the sign "Re-entering
Seems like civilians should empty the chamber of their legally carried firearms
in all those places that the police do. Hmmm... ever seen an officer
unload a gun to go to he restroom?
HOW many registered gun-toting people have gone to the loo with their guns
chambered and we've never heard about it?? Just because ONE silly person with
a loose gun holster accidentally has his gun go off means we're all up in arms
about having arms???? This is funny, but the idiotic debate is
If we are encouraging people to walk around with a chambered round in an
automatic it is just a matter of time before some idiot will "accidentally"
shoot someone and blame everyone else for his carelessness.
All I can say is, Git'er dun!
Maybe we just ought to let police officers carry guns. Problem solved. All
this self protection stuff is hooey. Except for the police, only people who are
paranoid and lack in self esteem carry guns. Now that is real common sense. Oh
wait a minute, we live in Utah. And we do need to protect ourselves from the
United Nations forces. Sorry, I forgot.
Why I don't live in Utah but I return daily to read about it in the Utah paper
and make comments about what is going on there. nice.
Happy day for us, too! Do yourself and us a favor, stay in the
world. New York, maybe. Where things like this never happen (See report on
Plaxico Burress) ;>)
Okay folks, those of you who are claiming this event could happen only in Utah
are just revealing your bias and prejudice. I live in Louisiana, and, believe
me, these sorts of stories (and even some that are more stupid) occur here
regularly. Okay, I'm bracing myself for all the Louisiana jokes now.
The real question here is did he feel that his life was threatened by the
toilet? We've all met this unscrupulous "toilets" in fast food establishments.
It is about time that one of these menacing devices was taught a lesson.
This guy is a lair, there is no way it went off by dropping it. He was playing
with it and antecedently pulled the trigger.
Any quality modern firearm, including Khar's don't "go off" on impact,
especially not from 3 feet up!The trigger was pulled, the gun did
exactly what it is designed to do, functioning perfectly.Keep your
booger scratcher off the bang switch! ...and never unholster your firearm in a
public area unless needed.
I don't get the Utah related comments. What does a handgun falling from a cheap
holster have to do with the state in which one resides?Let's all try
applying a little logic to our commentary.
It is interesting to see that the ones that know little or nothing about guns
are the most outspoken against them and the people who carry them.
Re: Says to Common Sense Have you seen whats going on in the world today?
Some headlines:-Texas Killing Spree Suspect Declared Unfit for Trial -Boy, 5, Shot and Killed in Los Angeles-Ohio Teen Convicted of Killing
Mom Over Video Game -New Jersey Church Shooting Suspect Tries to Kill Self
Now you are telling me, that all that carry guns areparanoid and
lack in self esteem? Check out FOX NEWS before you call us all paraniod. The
world is a crazy place, and incase you havent noticed America is a crazy place.
One more for Common sense says.-UHP says freeway shooting was gang related
I've checked out FOX NEWS. I stand by my statement. You are paranoid and lack
Does he get to carve a notch in his gun for his first toilet shot? You know in
New York or California they empty their gun in someone else instead of the
toilet. They must be progressive states.
Here's a piece of advice for a few of you out there "IT IS BETTER TO REMAIN
SILENT AND THOUGHT A FOOL THAN TO SPEAK UP AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT" thanks.
Take a look at world events over the last several years (including today) and
consider the ethnic cleansing, rapes, and other obscene crimes carried out
against unarmed 'citizens'. While a military regime may bomb out your village,
the 'brave' soldiers wouldn't commit so many war crimes if the potential victims
had even so much as a very small caliber manual fireame at their disposal. If you think that the reason this (military/political crimes of violence
against large groups of people) doesn't happen in the united states of america
is because of our advanced governement and high level of intelligence and
education and humanity, you are a bit deluded. The reason this hasn't happened
(yet) in this country is because the 'citizens' are to some extent armed. As
soon as that is no longer the case, the path will be paved for the violent
oppression of the people.If you think this point of view is absurd
then you'd better study your history, ancient and modern.
he is not telling the hole story that gun would not have fired if the trigger
was not pulled he probably took the gun out of the holster so it did not fall
out and was puting it back up and pulled the trigger or got the trigger cought
in some pice of clothing and it went off when he was re-holstering end of story
I've never cared much for Carl's Jr.
He sure fired off a load!
Will these flush-by shootings ever end???
The Urinal must have been shaken up?
Any gun can fail and can fire if dropped. No machine is perfect. The likely
hood that this is the case with this shooting is very low. Use a good holster
and you will be less likely to have your gun fall out. Leave it in the holster
unless you have to use it.
Geese, accidents happen. It's too bad that we don't live in an accident proof
world. Give the guy a break!
Gunman Kills Five People at Trolley SquareFebruary 13th, 2007 @ 8:00amThe winding hallways of Salt Lake City's Trolley Square became a
shooting gallery for an 18-year-old gunman in a trench coat who fired a shotgun
randomly at customers, killing five and wounding four before being killed by
police, Let's all give up our guns, who needs to have a concealed
weapon with a round in the chamber. I bet if we ask nicely the criminals will
give theirs up too. Every cop gets a CWP glad there was off duty cop using his
right to carring a concealed weapon there that night. If you were on the
reciving end of a crazy shooter I bet you would like to have someone there with
a CWP to protect if needed.
I have always thought these concealed carry people were a little strange, but
this proves they are stupid, too!
There has been times in my life that I wished that I had a gun to take out my
own toilet bowl.
Man Charged With Strangling Girlfriend and 4 Children, Motive Sought
Any idiot carrying a loaded gun in his pants is lucky to get off with a cut on
the arm. The gun should never have one in the chamber, unless he intends to
shoot it. This guy was truly one of the dumbest people alive or there really is
more to the story.
Odds of firing if dropped are minuscule. Highly likely that something else
Why would you have a bullet chambered, what if that had hit a kid in the stall
next to him?
I've lived in a lot of places. Utah is easily one of the nicer places in this
country. Yes, Utahns have their share of mishaps and unusual attitudes. Think
you'll find a group of people that don't? Good luck. We have unusual liquor
laws, awful drivers, big families, the occassional polygamist, and lots of
polite people. Let me tell you from experience: life is a whole lot stranger in
many other places.
Hey,you guys! This is UTAH! Many, many people here own guns. My family have
owned guns for many generations. Guns may be used for protection someday. This
country is no longer safe and we may need them someday to protect our families.
I do not own a gun but respect the weapon, if it is used correctly and wisely,
like target practice for fun. Anyway, this guy made a dumb mistake because he
wasn't thinking, and probably was sitting on the toilet busy devouring one of
those sloppy Carl's Jr hamburgers and had a drip in the wrong place that set his
gun off. He will learn from this I'm most certain.
Where do you people come from that think giving up guns and making them illegal
is going to make things safer? Things are illegal in this country now, but the
criminals STILL do them. The fact that I can own a gun makes you knuckleheads
safer. If you take away my rights to own or carry a gun, guess what? The
criminals will be the only ones with them. It would be a lot easier for a thief
to pick the house without a way to defend if he or she knows that a law abiding
person cant own a gun. Welcome to the real world. Matthew Miller
if you introduce a gun into your enviroment you are more likely to have an
injury due to an accidnet, your (or the neighbor's) kid shooting one aonther, a
suicide, or some kind of family member shooting another family member.
statistics show that for ever one time a gun is unsed for abona fide self
defense reason there are 120 incidents of acciential shootings, suicides,
shooting of another family member, etc. So, as someone who cannot fathom or
stand the gun toting mentality, please all of you arm yourselves to the hills,
because statistically you will be less in numbers in the future. and, no, i
dont say thank you to your twisted fantisies about saving the public (myself
included) from the crazed mall shooter), i am more afraid of people like the gut
who capped the toliet and if my kid happened to be in that bathroom.
If that bullet had gone through a wall, it's likely that someone would have been
hit.Why isn't this person's name and picture being published?
OH, STOP! you wimpy fatalist out there--GET A FLIPPIN GRIP! This happens to be a
stupid guy who had a stupid accident with his gun, this sort of stuff doesn't
happen everyday. Maybe this guy needs to go back to gun school or something, so
that he will learn how to be a bit more careful.My advise to all you
fatalist on this post is probably to do the same thing-- GO TO GUN SCHOOL!
I don't buy this story at all.Drops out of is olster and goes
off.Yeah! Right!Now sell me some swamp land....
..... yeah right!YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG! Our family have always had
MANY guns in our home for 'MANY GENERATIONS'. My Dad's family use to feed the
family by going deer hunting. They no longer hunt for food because we have meat
stores nowadays, but my family still own many guns. It's our families tradition
to have and own guns. AND may I say, NOT ONCE, IN HUNDREDS OF YEARS, HAS THERE
EVER BEEN A ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING IN OUR FAMILY. However, you probably know
NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. Those people who buy guns and don't know what they are doing
with them afterwords, and have NO TRAINING, are the ones who accidentally shoot
themselves and kill others. I agree, GO to Gun training classes!
To "Brian" perfectly stated.
It gives a whole new meaning to the word "schrapnel" Too funny.
We need to stop feeding the trolls! Concealed carry was good, gun was decent,
sounds like the problem was the holster. Spend a little green and get some good
leather for your piece!
If you don't know how to use a gun then shut-up! Even Boy scouts are taught how
to use a gun correctly. Our son helped clean out a log cabin in the mountains,
that was filled with hundreds of rattlesnakes, and he was just a teenager, and
he did a very fine job in getting rid of the snakes as well, so that no one was
bitten. I think people need to learn more about guns so they are not so afraid
Hey goforit. Do some real unbiased research before you spout statistics that
have been found to be lies over and over. YOU ARE TOTALLY 100% WRONG !!!
Lookup real statistics on the Bureau of Justice web site.
Is this really the place to put arguments on here? I mean, come on! Sure, we can
argue about moral rights, the latest football game and such, but over a man
shooting a TOILET? Come on! It gave me a good laugh and everybody else should
laugh too. It is no reason to start an argument.
Too bad he didn't kill himself. I hope he is not breeding.
People who have gun permits for a concealed weapon often carry a gun with them,
and not intending to use the gun unless to protect themselves and their
family.This guy is in a lot of trouble if he did not have a
concealed license for his gun.
It says in the story that he had a permit and no charges are being filed.
Well, heck sakes, this is Utah--- so give the guy a break. It's not like he was
trying to kill anyone.
He's lucky he didn't shoot something more personal off.
we now know one way to bullet plunge the toilet.....LOL!!
If you have a handgun WITHOUT a grip safety and you have it holstered and
chambered and a strap from your coat works it's way into the trigger area and
you pull on your coat then BANG !!! (this really happened to a police officer
with a Glock on a range, only it was a strap from his vest) So, if
you DON'T have a grip safety then DON'T have the thing chambered.
I continue to be amazed at how many uninformed experts out there. If you don't
what your talking about just keep your mouth shut, it will help look smarter
than you really are. Concealed carry with a round in the chamber is a safe and
very acceptable thing. Yes a good holster needs to be used and adequate training
is needed. To those that know nothing about what they are talking about (quite a
few here), please keep quiet or get some real knowledge before spouting off.Without all the facts, which we don't have no one can blame anyone. It could
be negligence, a defective firearm or just a plan accident. Were all human.
To: What a Moron 10:30 - "Having a round chambered and ready to fire in the
restroom of a fast food joint is unacceptable. Who needs to have a round
chambered and ready to fire???" Dude, if you don't have one locked
and loaded, what are you doing in the restroom?
I smell a cover up. Have you ever eaten two Double Guacamole Bacon Burgers for
breakfast? Well I have and it's not pretty. I think the gun is being framed. My
guess is some other form of weaponry caused the bowl to blow.
I am not a goose. I doubt any of the posters on here are geese. If they are,
well that would be a story!
I keep looking at the picture of the shattered bowl and wonder why there doesn't
appear to be any water on the floor.Where is the slug? What was the
trajectory? My guess is they will find it going toward the floor not coming up
from the floor.
Wow, that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
To missing facts 7:47 - Ease up on the Mt. Dew, you've been watching too much
CSI. This is the story of a demolished toilet not the investigation of the
Kennedy assassination."The shot came from over there" pointing to
the grassy knoll.
You have proven a point with your post listing all the shootings on Fox news
today......namely, that owning a gun places you and your family at MUCH more
risk of being injured or killed than not owning one.Research has
shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 TIMES MORE LIKELY to kill a member of
the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay.
"Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The
New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60.) The
use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's
risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy,
Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48).This incident proves
that people walking around with guns are a hazard and protect NO ONE!!!Show me some articles about a violent crime being prevented by some random
dude on the streets.43 times more likely!!!!43 times!!
To point proven 10:12 "Show me some articles about a violent crime being
prevented by some random dude on the streets."You ever heard of
To Josh..., Do more homework on that statistic. Mr. Kellermann retracted that
bogus stat. What makes a bunch of doctors the experts in gun statistics?
Because they have seen a gunshot wound? You are just scared of guns because see
too many movies where guns are used by bad guys. My research shows that you are
247 times more likely to die from a cell phone in a car then not having a cell
phone in a car.247 times !!!(I'm just as qualified as a
bunch of doctors because I drive the freeway 50 miles a day)
I thought reporters all learned the Who, what, why, where, and when? We got
everything but the WHO?
No one has explained the toilet's role in all of this. Was the man shooting in
self-defense? Did the toilet provoke him in some way? What was his relationship
with the toilet? Were there other toilets involved? So many unanswered
This is just plain stupid!!!
Yes, Rick, that is an absurd point of view. Absurd on so many levels. Maybe it
is you that needs to do a little more studying of history. You also need
practice with critical thinking.
To WHAT?!? | 3:56 p.m. Jan. 14, 2009 I am glad that "NOT ONCE, IN HUNDREDS OF
YEARS, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING IN OUR FAMILY."
May your family go hundreds of more years without an accidental shooting. (of
course I would like to know how you know what has happened in your family in
"hundreds of years" as well as how you know your family has owned guns for
"hundreds of years.") My family has not been so lucky. I have lost
two family members to gun accidents. One killed on a hunting trip, another
(child) killed by a stranger on a hunting trip. Both accidents. I
have also lost two friends to suicide using handguns. I have also
had guns pulled and aimed at me twice.
People like this give the rest of the concealed carry world a bad name. I wish
these idiot's would be honest and just admit they were mishandling their
firearm. The "woops I dropped it" is a bunch of garbage and I am amazed that the
police who are assumed by the masses of ignorant non gun owners to be "experts"
in firearms would support such a claim. I believe every law abiding
citizen has the right to carry a firearm if they desire but please if you don't
know how to handle it then DON'T CARRY IT!
This one is definitely gonna end up on Jay Leno or nominated for a darwin
I don't believe the gun went off because of hitting the floor. I'm guessing he
may have been playing with his gun when it went off.
Now this is funny. What an idiot, he needs a gun to protect himself from that
flushing thing. I have a theory that gun freaks are compensating for an
inadequate certain part of a man's body. Stats prove that the more guns the
public has the more people are killed and maimed. That includes the "brave"
concealed gun owners who only "have" to prove that they aren't insane or a felon
in order to carry loaded firearms capable of destroying human life. That makes
real sense doesn't it?
It's not guns that hurt people; it's toilets.
I have taken the time to read most of these comments (except for the really
serious ones...you guys are boring). I would like to offer two
awards:First, Parry Stallsis | 7:30 p.m.: "Dude, if you don't have
one locked and loaded, what are you doing in the restroom?" Insightful...gets right to the bottom of this story. Second,
Anonymous | 10:25 p.m.: "You ever heard of Batman? Superman? Checkmate!"Outstanding rebuttal!Thanks for the excuse to waste my time.
I had many big laughs this morning reading the comments to this article. I
would like to ask PM9 owner what does "antecedently" mean ? Also, to His own
falt: What does "falt" spell? I do like your use (or misuse) when you said ,
"That is not the "hole" story . It was a great pun even if you don't know the
difference between "hole" and "whole". Hopefully some of you will spent
more time using the correct (or correctly spelled ) word. Maybe Utah needs to
spend more money on "spelling" education !
Guns don't kill people, swimming pools do!
He shot the toilet and the toilet shot back. I think we will see a lot more of
this - and it won't just be toilets.
Would he have to pay "restitution" for the damage in the rest room ? Plumbing
repair is expensive. What a bummer for Carl's Jr.
Sounds like a crap shoot to me...
Why didn't DNews list the name of this rocket scientist, and include his
From the picture the toilet seat appears to be in good shape. Let us hope they
use it on the next toilet they put in. They will have to put a disclaimer up so
that everyone using the restroom will know that the toilet seat was involved in
a shooting. Was it a random act? Or was it planned out to go down that way?
Ponder those questions for a while. While gun safety is not a laughing
matter, this story is. Be safe with your guns and know that they are deadly
weapons and should not be carried lightly.
What's with the obsession to carry a gun? The chances of ever needing it are
absolutely remote. Logic and reality defy the irrational, paranoid desire to
pack heat to proctect oneself. Or is it an expression of machoism or sexual
I just have one question...did he get his business flushed before he blew the
bowl apart or did more than porcelain splash all over him???
The first paragraph of this article says it all. Now that's funny. And a big
Amen to Fodder for late night. Some of the commenters on DNews articles are
great examples of grade school dropouts. What is really scary though are the
many who profess to have attended college or graduated from some university but
still cannot spell. Start out by learning the difference between the word
"your" and "you're" then move on to "there" and "their" and know when to use
these words. Once you've accomplished that task finish your education by
learning the correct usage of the words "then" and "than" and when to use either
one. Then come back and post your comments.Final shot: The two best
signs I've seen concerning urinating were: 1) In the men's restroom of a
restaurant, "We aim to please. You aim too, please." 2) At a public swimming
pool, "We don't swim in your toilet so please don't pee in our pool."
Best DNews comments ever:"sounds like a crap shoot.""Bet
the urinal was shaken up.""Guns Don't Kill People...Toilets do."Classic.
re: "Only in Utah?" and "JT":I agree! Stories like this can happen
in any state allowing concealed weapons to be carried in public places. In
those states or countries where such weapon possession is prohibited, such
things can still happen to the criminals that don't care about those "no gun"
laws.No crime was apparently committed. Perhaps some foolishness in
lack of properly holstering the gun, but that's no crime. Just be glad only the
toilet caught the stray bullet. It's much easier to replace the toilet than a
Now that Dick Cheney is retired this guy should look him up and go hunting
together...POT SHOT is what it sound like
It seems that many of you have some strange idea that people who choose to carry
a concealed firearm lack self esteem or are compensating for something. Nothing
could be further from the truth. Most are average people who you would never
suspect as having a firearm on them. It's very likely that someone you know well
at work, school, or in your neighborhood is legally armed.
Remember, Utah law allows concealed weapons in your child's elementary school,
too. Of course, if a "legal" carrier accidently kills a six year old while using
the john at school, law enforcement will pass it off as "just one of those
This is way too funny!!!!! I Loved it..... It's also good that he and others
were not hurt.
The lady's chest pains probably had more to do with the six dollar burgar she
just pounded than the gun going off!
This is not a question about concealed carry or carrying a loaded weapon. The
question is "accidental" or unintended discharge. The ONLY way a Kahr P40 will
discharge is to pull the trigger! You can drop that gun all day long and it will
not fire. There is more to the story (and the excuse given) than was conveyed.
Keep your finger off of the trigger if you don't want a gun to
discharge! This man needs more training.
Re- Watch out,You sound like a person who likes to create chaos.... Calm
down! I'm happy this young man is ok too, and did not hurt himself
or anyone else.
The guy was just lucky it was a toilet and not a bidet. Those things could shoot
Someone must have left the toilet seat up!!
Apparently he is not familiar with the mechanical safeties of the Khar pistol.
I doesnt fire if you dropped on its barrel or backside, you have to pull the
trigger. There is a good possibility that he was playing with it and
accidentally discharged the weapon. Keep your finger off the trigger and be a
responsible gun owner.
Thar she blows!
This man should lose his permit and permanently be prevented from getting it
back. We need to send a message to every concealed carry holder out there that
those of us who are responsible won't have our right infringed on because of
idiots like this. A modern firearm doesn't go off when dropped! They only go off
when you pull the trigger!!!!
All toilets thinking of committing a grime should think twice!
to WHAT?!? | 3:56 p.m. Jan. 14, 2009 FYI, I grew up in the country
around guns, attended hunting/ gun safety courses, have gone hunting, had a
grandfather who was a police office and life member of the NRA. All the being
said, I have personally know one friend who was accidentally shot by another. I
have witnessed a teenage male "friend" get his father's gun and put one in the
chamber, spin it and point it at another kid, and pull the trigger (to this day
we are not sure if he know the chamber that clicked was empty). I have seen
bulletts go through the neighbor's barn roof. I have had two classmates and the
father of another commit suicide with a gun. I have had a loaded gun pointed at
me (by a teenage "friend", his father's gun), and back in the 50's one day when
my grandfather came home from work he was taking his gun out of the holster and
accidentally shot himself in the leg (his fellow officers always gave him grief
and the rumor going arond was that my grandmother shot him). Just telling you
my experiences that formed my opnions. Peace
Enough toilet talk. This man is okay and that is all that matters. They also
have good prices on toilets right now at home depot.
Consealing toilets is not without certain hazards!
The toilets last words were......gurgle!
Take it easy on him, he's just a fall guy for Dick Cheney! It's okay,
right-wing folks - a little humor, goes a long way!
If you think carrying with an empty chamber is the normal thing to do, you've
been watching too much television. On tv and in the movies, they love to show
the Jack Bauer types racking the slide, for effect. In real life, semiauto
handguns are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber.That
Kahr is designed to be dropped from a building and not fire. There's no way it
just went off when dropped; it's physically impossible unless the owner modified
the internal mechanism of the gun. The firing pin is blocked by a piece of steel
that only moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled. Any inertial force
that could cause the firing pin block to move would have to occur at a different
angle from any inertial force that could cause the firing pin to strike the
primer. And Kahr firearms have heavy, long trigger pulls--they require a quite
deliberate pull of the trigger.My guess: either he was playing with
the gun in the stall and pulled the trigger, or it did fall and as it fell he
tried to grab it in mid-air, pulling the trigger in the process.
Re: goforit,Many people own guns and have not gone through what you
and your family have gone through. It's sad that your family has gone through so
much, and I'm very sorry for that.I knew high school kids who
committed suicide on drugs. It seems to me that there were more people when I
was growing up who committed suicide with drugs rather then with a gun. I know
it happens with guns, but drugs are just as bad as guns if not worse.
Kahr's have a built in safety that will not allow the gun to fire unless the
trigger is pulled about half way. I have a feeling that he was sitting on the
can, playing with his "gun" and carelessly shot a round.Unfortunately, the only people that will know this for sure are him and the
poor toilet that he sent to junkyard.
Luckily the toilet was wearing it's ceramic plates inside of it's body armor.
Re: CW9Owner...Great comment! You are absolutely correct.
This is the very reason why I don't have a concealed carry permit. I just carry
a 12-gauge over and under with me wherever I go in plain view. As I get older,
however, sometimes I forget where I left it.Left it in the Bishop's office
RE: Gun ToterYou should not even carry a gun. Of course, you must be
kidding all of us on here? Otherwise, you are an unsafe person, and will
probably end up getting your gun confiscated by the police.I just
love the toilet bowl picture on Des/News. This means one less bowl in the world
that needs cleaning.... hurray!
I am surprised you haven't had any letters of complaint from the JDL; showing a
gas chamber and all.
This unfortunate man not withstanding...I carry a gun because they
don't make holsters for cops.When seconds count, the cops are
minutes away.My right to self defense is not subject to silly
peoples opinions to the contrary.Modern firearms DO NOT "go off"
when dropped. It's one of those designs made mandatory by common sense in the
market. Like the man says: " keep yer booger-picker off the bang switch!"
I nominate this man for the 2009 Darwin award.
What a wonderful story. I truly impressed with this kid.
Did he use a toilet seat cover? Those public toilets seats can be kind of sticky
and that could possible have contributed to this unfortunate accident.
I believe in our right to have weapons, but I dont think that means wear one.
People will be talking about the man who shot a toilet and lived for a long
time. It will probably be a story shot round the world in an email. Did you hear about the man who was hunting and after several hours of no luck,
decided to see how much fun it would be to shoot down a power line. After
shooting the power line down he wondered how much fun it would be to urinate on
the downed power line. Unfortunately for the man urinating on the power line,
the circuit breaker failed leaving the power line hot Needless to say, he fried
his you know what. Luckily, the man lived. Unfortunately for the power
company, the man sued them for a failed circuit breaker and damages to his
person. As with the gentleman who blew away the toilet bowl, on the
surface it is comical and laughable, but the reality is, someone could get hurt.
Just because you have a license to wear a concealed weapon, doesnt mean you
should. Consider leaving it at home.
"2009 Darwin Award"Sorry, friend, you must die in the process of
being stupid to win the Darwin award. The toilet's untimely death doesn't count.
Firearms with striker blocks will not and can not fire with out having the
trigger pulled. This idiot had the firearm fall from his holster and tried to
grab for it as it fell. By doing this he put his booger hook on the bang
switch. Look at the mechanics of the firearm in question and you will see it
can only be fired if the trigger is pulled.
It must have been one of those low flow toilets...
My advice: Quit taking pot-shots at the poor guy. Pot...shots.
I'm sure this guy is now having bad toilet nightmares. NO, NO! NO! NO! I didn't
mean to shoot you!Toilet Ghosts are the worst. Watch for the
haunting of the over flowing toilet bowl, he's coming to get you.
let me get this right ... as for the female employee who was shaken and panicked
and experiencing chest pains ... would that qualify as an on the job accident???
the people calling the guy an idiot for having a round loaded in the chamber are
idiots. so when the guy needs his gun because his life is in danger, is he going
to stop the criminal and ask if he'll wait to let him chamber a round before
attacking? if you carry a gun for protection, it has to be ready instantly. you
may not have time to chamber a round.
Sounds fishy. From what I gathered from all of you "experts" it's not likely
his gun would've gone off from a 3 foot drop. Maybe he was going to rob the
place and accidentally fired off a round into the toilet. I hope he flushed
first, because that mess would've been yucky...
I feel vindicated reading about this incident. Now people may believe me and my
explanations for a certain incident in a men's room. I this gentleman had been
using a "wide stance" as I do. This whole unfortunate incident might have been
Wow! This mental midget cooked up QUITE the "story" to tell the POleece how he
came to kill the commode.I for one do not believe his "story". Having worn
a handgun professionally for many years, and having driven a patrol car for same
amopunt of time, I KNOW that he pulled the trigger. I've told hundreds of felons
to "drop the gun" they did and NONE "accidentally went off". If they had, then I
would hold a record for the most Felons shot.(so would a lot of other peace
officers)I'm "guessing" he cheaped out on spending on a holster(if he even
HAD a holster), and when he dropped "trou" the "Ka-boom" happened. This is a
case of negligence not accidental "mishandling. I for one think his carry permit
should be withheld from him for awhile, so he can re-visit appropriate firearms
handling procedures.Again, in my professional experience in another state
far larger in population than Utah, I've had hundreds of felons intentionally
drop their loaded pistols and revolvers and NOT ONE "went off".Charley-the-Commode-Killer had better learn how to handle his pistol, next
time he might give himself a radical vasectomy.
This man should be locked away for a long time, he is a danger to everyone!
There is no way that any gun will ever go off if you follow one simple rule,
don't put your finger on the trigger! It it to bad that this person has to give
the concealed weapon permit holders a bad rep, so please my fellow C.W.P.
holders lets be responsible with our right to carry. Dude quit
fondling your tool in a public place anyway... only take it out at home to play
The guy probably tried to catch the gun as it was falling and pulled the
trigger. There's no way it would go off by striking the ground.
This story has been a headline of Davis County news for three days. Could you
please just move on? There has got to be more news out there!!
To: too long 6:36 - If you will notice this story comes up under the "Most
commented" section, which indicates the story still has "legs."Unless you are mayor of centerville or town historian why don't you let this
story die a peaceful death, on it's own, unlike that poor, defenseless toilet at
Carl.....Jr's.....I'm sorry for crying.
These concealed carry wierdos are filled with mental illness. I would be my
bottom dollar this guy chickened out at the last minute when trying to commit
suicide then had a lot of explaining to do about how the toilet got shot. This
dude needs a full psychiatric evaluation as do all concealed carry wierdos!
Re-- anonymous,It looks like you are pretty whacked yourself to make a
judgment of someone you do not know. Maybe you need to check yourself in and get
off the streets.
I used a hammer and nail to chip off built up calcium deposits on our
toilet...not a good idea...a small hole developed and husband had to replace
toilet. And I'm not from Utah. Had a good laugh from this story anyway.
There should be no such thing as a concealed weapons permit. Carrying a
concealed firearm needs to be a one-way ticket to jail.On the other
hand, I do think that since firearms are legal and keeping and carrying is
constitutionally protected, anyone who carries one in public should do so FULLY
TRAINED, with a permit, and with the weapon visible.If anybody
besides law enforcement is going to be allowed to carry guns, I'd rather *know*
who has one than have a bunch of people running around with weapons hidden in
their pants and purses.
Has he never heard of the safety catch? If this guy is so irresponsible as to
allow an accident like this to happen, his concealed weapon permit should be
You never know when a rogue toilet is going to attack. Luckily, this man was
Against concealed carrying.Well, I hope you are never in a situation
where you wished you had a gun to protect your loved ones from a crazed killer,
or a mad dog. Who knows what the future may bring. Our world is not as safe as
you may think. If a gun is handled properly than it can be a good thing. You
need to get over your personal fear. Perhaps take a gun class. Learn the safety
side of owning a gun. Don't make judgments of one person who had an accident.
I find it interesting that so many people on this thread are saying that the man
shouldn't of had a round chambered in the gun. Of course there is a round in the
gun. If your being assaulted you aren't just going to be able to say "hold on
just a second I need to load my gun so I can protect myself." NO that ain't
going to work If the gun went off there must have been a mechanical mistake.
Nobody was hurt anyways so there is no reason to make a big deal.
I'd rather that nobody had to feel the need to carry a gun around. But since
people apparently do, I say again that anybody who is going to carry a gun
should be required to carry it VISIBLY. Never hidden.I have a
healthy fear of guns -- because I do know how to use them safely, and also how
easy it is for deadly accidents to happen. This guy is lucky he isn't dead.If people are going to be carrying guns around, I say it should be a
requirement that the gun be visible, not concealed.
I know a number of very sane and intelligent people who have concealed carry
permits, some of them pillars of the community (not in Utah - if that matters to
some). Most don't carry regularly, only in circumstances when it makes
sense.You obviously have a tendency to jump to conclusions, have an
irrational fear of guns, and have a vivid imagination of the unlikely.You scare me more than the man in the story. Maybe you need an evaluation?
I heard of blowing up the toilet! but this is a little to literal for me.
Re: Still against concealed carrying You said: should be required to
carry it VISIBLY. Never hidden.UMMM, That would not be too
brilliant, because then it would make it easy for some crazed, wacko nut to
confiscate the gun from you.
Owners of firearms have a great responsibility, and those who carry them
concealed have even greater responsibility. One of those people making a
serious mistake doesn't make it wrong, crazy, or paranoid for the rest of us to
do so responsibly. For some, the act of going about in society being completely
unarmed, and thus disadvantaged when it comes to preventing violent crime, is
just as if not more irresponsible. I don't consider policeman to be hired
henchmen that I pay to do the rough and dirty work - preventing crime and
promoting lawful behavior is a burden which belongs to every responsible
citizen; policeman are here to help, and just spend more time at it than the
rest of us do. The man whose weapon discharged in the restaurant was *lucky*
that the toilet and his arm were the only real casualties - but it defies logic
to try to make this mean that firearms are bad, and concealed weapon permit
holders are paranoid vigilantes, etc. Making a claim like that says more about
*you* than the subject of your rant.
Ok first off, every state in the union has firearm carring citizens, legal or
not is another story, how about cops being tased or shot by their partner, or
even better a chief shooting himself last year. This kind of thing happens in
every state, every day. It's old news, how about the stories of citizens who
carry legally, doing good and preventing a crime. Don't hear anything negative
about that do we!
CCW holders need to protect us from marauding loons like "what is my political
affiliation." Maybe next we should take away your right to make stupid
I've read all the comments, and just like any topic, everyone has an opinion. I
carry a Kahr PM9 and have a CHL in the state of Texas. This story has some
humor to it due to the man being in a restroom, but I'm thankful that nobody was
seriously hurt. Truth is this young man made a mistake and he was not honest
with the police about what happened. The Kahr will only fire if the trigger is
intentionally pulled. The design features an internal striker block and Kahr's
have passed every drop test mandated on them. A Kahr is a safe firearm to carry
for personal defense. I'm shocked the police took his word on what happened and
blamed the hardware over user error. In most cases of accidental discharges,
the error is human, not hardware.
Of course guns don't go off when you drop them!Guns are subject to
the most rigorous consumer product safety standards imagina......oh
wait......that's right......guns are basically the only
consumer product in America NOT regulated by the Consumer Product Safety
I always carry 'Condition 1'. Carrying without a round in the chamber is as
good as leaving your weapon at home. Do you think a mugger will wait for you to
draw, remove safety, rack slide, and fire?IF the weapon has an
external safety, I will leave it Condition 1, but never 'red'. Safety off.
However my favorite concealed weapons have no manual safety, and are always
Condition 1. If someone is trying to kill me or my family, I draw + pull
trigger. Making it anymore complicated than that is asking for trouble.Also, most modern autoloaders have a Drop Safety, including Kahrs. I
highly doubt this happened as reported in the story. Barring a defective
weapon, the firing pin should be stationary, even during a dramatic drop, until
the trigger is pulled.
Im still not understanding why we are weirdos. We are law abiding people just
like any other person. Because we want to protect ourselves and our families we
are considered weird. I will never understand that one. You are the U.S. citizen
that wants everything given to to them. The same person who is ready to sue
another citizen because the coffee was hot and they didn't know. This country is
coming apart at the seams because of people like you who will just sit and watch
this country waste away and blame everybody else. I hope for your sake you don't
have a situation where you wish you had a firearm to protect yourself or your
Gun problems occure most often with guns not properly secured (gunsafe - proper
holster). A $600.00 firearm and a $20.00 holster does not cut it. Alot of
problems could be solved by a quality gunsafe and a quility holster. The gun
should have never ben allowed to fall. Enough on the subject.
I hope they nailed the jerk to the wall. There's no such thing as an accident
with a gun. Concealed Carry Licenses are all about taking responsibility for
your safety and NEVER even by negligence, endangering your neighbors. And a Kahr doesn't go off on impact. He's lying about that. He fumbled the
re-holster or was playing with the darned thing. He needs to lose his license
for either one.
I think this story could most certainly be used in supporting an anti-gun
campaign. Even though no one was seriously hurt and the man had the gun legally
things could have been a lot worse.
I have drop tested Kahr PM40s several times in a facility designed for such
tests and they have NEVER discharged except when the trigger is pulled. Glocks
have never accidentally discharged, either. Not true of one or two other makes.
Dave writes"Has he never heard of the safety catch? If this guy is
so irresponsible as to allow an accident like this to happen, his concealed
weapon permit should be revoked."DAO pistols like the Kahr do not
have "safety catches" or any externally mounted, mechanical positive safety
device. They do have striker blocks and other safety features, however.
"Having a concealed carry permit is one thing. Having a round chambered and
ready to fire in the restroom of a fast food joint is unacceptable. I support
the NRA and the right to carry, but come on, this guy could of killed somebody
due to his carelessness. Who needs to have a round chambered and ready to
fire???"Answer ... anyone who carries for self-defense. Having to
chamber a round can easily cost you your life when attacked. As was stated, the
cops carry with a round chambered for the same reason.The reality is
that well over 2 million defensive handgun uses occur in this country each year.
The number of accidental shootings pales in comparison to the number of lives
saved by defensive use of handguns by law-abiding citizens who legally carry.In fact, the police are seldom present when innocents are attacked by violent
criminals and those would-be victims need to be responsible for protecting
themselves. The police, according to many court rulings are under no obligation
to protect you. The invariably arrive after the fact and end up drawing a chalk
outline around the victim's body. Not a desirable outcome.
Agree that quality guns like this one are drop proof as designed, and that the
story is incomplete. Also amazed once again at the invective and hateful tone
of people who have never survived or been exposed to deadly violence, and don't
know what they are talking about. Truly, they are the ones who are frightening.
So according to my research (having never actually held the kahr P40) it is a
double action gun, so even if it had been dropped the hammer wouldn't have been
back, so it couldn't have been fired. I have experience with the kel-tec P3AT
which is a similar gun. This gun is designed to be a long, hard trigger pull as
the "safety" so it doesn't actually have a safety switch. I still don't see how
this particular gun could have fired while dropped, I believe that even with a
round chambered this gun is still double action because that is it's so called
safety. (at least this is how it is with the kel-tec)
As an active firearms enthusiast with a knowledge of semi-auto handguns, I
seriously find it hard to believe a KAHR pistol could fire a round after being
dropped, the trigger and striker mechanism aren't capable of firing if the
double action trigger is not pulled. This story is very suspicious.
Have you ever tried Carl's Jr. gut bombs? I'm surprised there's an intact
porcelein bowl left in the place!Hey, has anyone thought of
substituting toilet bowls for those expensive clay pigeons they have at the
range? Just about every restaurant has AT LEAST 6-8 "targets" in the men's room!
Might be fun to do a little shooting after dinner!
I have to agree with Variac et. al. If this guy was carrying a revolver made in
1938 and dropped it, yeah it could go off, but a Kahr?As for the
deluge of propaganda against CCWs I can only remit a statement that I confess
is blatantly plagiarized from another gun forum on the internet. I wish I could
take credit for this wisdom but I can't."When seconds mean the
difference between life or death, the police are only minutes away".
Wouldn't have happened with a Glock.
Trust me, the only way that gun fired was due to a jack-ass putting his finger
on the trigger when he wasn't supposed to. I carry a Kahr P9 (same exact
gun-different caliber), and it's a true double action-only pistol with a 15-20lb
trigger pull. The only way that gun will go off is if you deliberately put that
amount of pressure on the trigger. In the 1 in 100000000 chance that the pistol
did fire by being dropped, and it can be duplicated and documented, this kid
will be a VERY rich person by the end of the year. I've investigated numerous
"accidental" discharges, and they ALL turned out to be user negligence...i.e.
having a CCW in arkansas. i can state the majority of my neighbors are armed.
while i carry a sig p220 i have dropped the gun numerous times. (mostly during a
training excerise. and it has never fired. for those who think gun was not
loaded, it was locked and loaded.) i am police officer, and at time were are
required to "drop and shop" drop our current weapon and change to a different
weapon, and through out all that if has never fired. for those who think all gun
owners are "unsafe, stupid, etc..." need to think next time you are in need of
I will not use blanket statements however, I will say that when I was in the
military, I carried with one in the pipe. While off-duty and in civies (with my
CHL) - one in the pipe. And now that I am retired from the military ... one in
the pipe.Most (not all but most) people that carry, either concealed or in
the open, have one in the pipe. Why? Because you may not have both hands
available to rack the slide to chamber a round...or you may not have TIME to
chamber a round. And to repeat a post from earlier..."better to keep your mouth
shut and be thought of as an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all
doubt." It is OK to not know something...if you don't know, SHUT UP AND YOU MAY
I have no experience with guns myself, but to all those commenting on how
irresponsible it is to ever have one in the chamber... I thought the point of a
concealed carry license was so that you have the training to carry a loaded gun.
There may be some instances where you'd have a minute to load it before
disaster strikes, but I don't know many violent offenders who wait patiently
while you load your gun. Concealed carry is so you can responsibly carry a
loaded weapon, on safety and in a quality holster, and with a lot of caution. Am
I being unreasonable here?
This truly is the funniest thing I've seen all week...but something isn't being
told to us here. The majority of modern firearms have drop safeties. I could
pound on my Sig Sauer from 1979 with a sledge hammer or throw it off a building
and it still wouldn't go off.
I am really trying to figure out why all these "Civilians" are figuring he was
"Dumb" for keeping a round in the chamber!? That is how the GUN WORKS idiots!!!
We Conceal Carry for Self Defense, round has to be in the chamber.. If you Tax
Payers are worried about "Your Safety" try Driving with BOTH HANDS, not talking
on your CELL PHONES!! Hell trying EATING PROPERLY. Most of the Anti Gun/Carry
yokels are probably obese and will die from a Heart Attack before some one
ACCIDENTALLY SHOOTS THEM... BTW, I am happy to serve your country
For all you anti gun freaks out there,more people are killed by Doctors every
year than by guns.Check it out...Remember these words well also...IF
& WHENEVER WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS,YOU BETTER REMEMBER THIS WELL.WHEN YOU ARE GETTING MUGGED,YOUR WIFE OR DAUGHTER GETTING BEAT & RAPED AND YOU
CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT,OR YOUR TO CHICKEN TO ANYWAY,REMEMBER YOU WERE
FOREWARNED THIS DAY WOULD COME.YOU WILL NOT STOP THE CRIMINALS FROM
GETTING FIREARMS.IT'S LIKE A DOPEHEAD,THEY WILL STILL FIND IT BUD !!!!
Reading the comments here once again shows that there are a LOT of people out
there that have no clue what so ever about concealed carry. So please, to all
you that fit that catagory, don't get a concealed permit. Leave it
to those of us that have the guts to pull a loaded gun (yes, with a chambered
round) when it's your college kid that the psycho is aiming at and planning to
kill.Sure, there will be some people that get a permit that
shouldn't, but it's the same as drivers licenses. Some dummies you see on the
road should never be allowed to drive.
I proudly carry a glock 27 with a round chambered! Why? Because when seconds
count..police are only minutes away
I proudly carry a glock 27 with one in the pipe! Why? Because when seconds
counts the police are only minutes away!
Well, I don't know about that Kar but I could pound railroad spikes with my colt
combat commander and not have to worry about it going off. (Not that I am
willing to try)...I may try on an old toilet though..
Hey folks, if you don't like or approve of weapons...don't carry one. But if you
just so happen to become one of the many who gets robbed or assaulted each year
in the world, don't complain when it does. Carrying a handgun has nothing to do
with your level of "self-esteem"; I carry and I have plenty of it - being a
Marine may have something to do with it though. We don't carry to start fights
or brandish when we don't agree with the views of another. We do it for our own
protection and even yours should the event ever present itself - let's hope it
never does, but you (we) should at least be ready. It makes no sense to download
every time we use the restroom or buy a cheeseburger and I'm pretty sure he
didn't carry his into the toilet because he was afraid of the TP! If you are
going to download or leave it in your vehicle then you might as well leave it at
home. You can count on the bad guy's gun being loaded and ready, shouldn't
...There is so much attention paid to this story, yet no one was killed...except
the toilet. I've never read a story about the dozens of children that fall from
shopping carts every day due to negligent parents that don't keep them belted in
and monitor them closely. Some of these children die tragically from the short
fall onto the concrete. Should we ban shopping carts or license people to be
parents? Some of you think this guy should be incarcerated. Following that
logic, why haven't we filled every jail with people that wrecked their car
driving drunk. I remember reading back in 1995 that 45,000 people died in
alcohol related car crashes in 1994. What is that number now? Listen, everyday
we decide to get out of bed we are risking our lives. I carry concealed for the
same reason I have fire insurance; I never want to have a fire and I practice
good home fire prevention, but I still pay for insurance. Why? Because I never
want to say, "If I had only..." Every person has not only the right, but the
responsibility to protect his family by any means available.
I'm not surprised to see the "43" number again. 43 more times likely....ok,
let's look at the ORIGINAL report that produced that number. Every other source
is simply a quote, or reference to, the original report."Discredited" is a strong word, but the study in question is indeed one of the
most thoroughly discredited exercises in twisted statistics of the late 20th
century. It compared all deaths by gunfire in two communities of similar size;
one in Canada and the other in the United States. Under "guns killing
householders", it included suicides, many of which typically are the so-called
"rational suicide". This is what happens when an individual diagnosed with a
terminal disease that brings a long, agonizing death chooses to depart life with
dignity. (In some foreign countries, this process is assiste by state-approved
euthanasia, not an option in the USA.)The latest studies, by
Professor John Lott, indicate that in well over 90% of attacks on armed
citizens, NO blood is shed as the criminal either flees or submits to citizens
arrest until the police arrive.Criminals have a strange habit of
making sure no police are around first!
*facepalm* come on guys, do you really think this is just a guy marching around
with a gun? *obviously* this is someone who works for the government. The police
didnt question him? The police ALWAYS question people like that. This is not a
guy that shot a toilet by letting it fall, this is a government officer that had
a gunfight in a bathroom.
We are all assumming that this was an accident. Thats a possibility. Another is
that he was practicing his draw and shot the toilet outright. He obviously gets
marks for accuracy, its the citizenship of an act like this that has me
Does anyone think that shooting a toilet at Carl's Junior could be a coded
message from the under world for shooting a man named John?
Wasn't this one of the scenes that Tarantino edited out of "Pulp Fiction?"
Couldn't agree with you more. A quality gun won't fire when dropped. Also he
should have a much better holster, that won't let this happen. Thankfully no
one was killed.
Nice shot. If it would have been a few inches to the left or right?
sid your right wouldnt have happened with a glock would hav had to pull
the triger like 10 times to get one of those bricks to go off
We do not have the whole story I have heard many stories that say the gun went
off. The gun fires when the trigger is pulled! someone or something pulled the
Kahr warns that a chambered round COULD go off if the gun is dropped. Most
manufacturers do. Kahr also warns to check the position of the firing pin for
safety before using the pistol and periodically thereafter. An incorrectly and
protruding firing pin (aka striker) could have easily been the cause of the
firing. Chambering a round in a weapon that has no external safety is a high
risk practice. Be smart when you carry, that's what all manufacturers preach.
Cheap holsters aren't being smart either. Too bad this all comes down to
political viewpoints every time something like this happens.
A man's got to know his limitations
From the Kahr Manual - Warning: The Kahr pistol has several design
features and internal mechanical safeties designed to prevent accidental
discharges in the even the pistol is dropped or receives a hard blow. Keep it in the holster. Problem solved.
That is why a keeper strap should always be used on the gun. Dont purchase a
holster without a strap to keep the gun in place until YOU take it out of its
holder.All holsters are not safe for all circumstances, you must be
aware of your holsters shortcomings at all times.
I don't know of too many inside the waist band good quality holsters which use a
thumbbreak or keeper strap as you call it. The holster was probably a cheap
brand not form fitted to the weapon. I could do somersaults with my inside the
waist band holster and retain my sidearm.
@goforit: | " statistics show that for ever one time a gun is unsed for
abona fide self defense reason there are 120 incidents of acciential shootings,
suicides, shooting of another family member, etc."These "statistics"
are as totally bogus as your ability to spell -- the anti-gun activists who
published them only counted KILLING someone in self-defense as a "bona-fide
self-defensive" use of a gun. The vast majority of defensive uses of guns don't
even involve discharging the gun, as anyone can easily find out, if they are
marginally smarter than a box of rocks. (This might be a steep requirement for
the committed Progressive, however.)Law-abiding folks carry guns to
defend themselves, not to kill people. Not everyone is as sick as you.
i must say it is difficult to keep a concealed weapon concealed while using an
in the waistband holster. Most stalls have an open lower wall causing your
weapon to be visible to all when your pants are dropped. definitely the idea is
to keep your weapon holstered until its needed. The trick i use is to reach in
and pull my underwear over the outside of the weapon then keep your hand on the
gun holster and your pants while pulling them down and up. This works for me.
This being said i suggest that what ever method you use should be rehearsed over
and over and should be seen as just as important as a weekly visit to the range.
I have a concealed carry license and had a P3AT (Kel Tech) catch on my seatbelt
when I was getting out of my vehicle, dropping to a concrete floor in my garage,
and striking the back of the receiver. It functioned as it should and did not go
off. He should get his weapon checked out. I always carry with a round in the
chamber as do most people I know who carry. I don't consider myself dumb or
inexperienced having spent 13 years carrying a side arm in the Armed Forces and
20 years as a healthcare provider.
Carry a Glock! I carry a Glock 23 in a Fobus paddle holster. Frankly, any
holster on the hip can be a challenge when you do #2, in a public place.However, this is mostly to keep from spooking people who see a pistol
around your ankle. Agreed, a quality weapon should not discharge from a 3-ft
drop. For the ignorant: Why would you ever carry a weapon without a
SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT , WHAT GOOD I A GUN , WHEN YOU GOT TO CHAMBER A ROUND IN
DEFENCE OF YOURSELF?? A GOOD HOISTER IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO .. AGAIN GIVE GOD THE
GLORY ,THAT ONLY THE TOILET DIED
I have nothing against someone who carries with a round chambered. I choose not
to carry without a round chambered for two reasons: (1) My state doesn't allow
me to carry in all places legally, so when I must leave it in the car, I will
drop the magazine and take it with me leaving the gun in the car unable to be
fired. I have no desire for someone to break into my car and have ready access
to a gun ready to fire, and it minimizes my handling when leaving and
re-entering the car. (2) If something were to happen to me causing me to become
disabled, I wouldn't be carrying a firearm that could be easily fired by a child
or other novice. I practice drawing/chambering/shooting so it is second nature
to me. It takes very little time and eliminates the difference between the
first and second round in my semi-autos whose first shot can be double-action.
This is far better than not having one at all, and much safer for me and others.
But as I said, I have no problem with those who carry chambered.
The question we should be asking is what sort of person drops a deuce at a fast
food restaurant? Have any of you been in a Carl's Jr.s restroom? Sitting on
that toilet seat is much more life threatening than being shot.
If you don't have one in the chamber, then the gun is just about worthless in
the situation where you need to act fast, without hesitation, to prevent harm.
By the time you jack-off the semi, the other guy has ample time to shoot you,
stab you, hit you with a ball bat, etc. A clear mind, self confifdence, ability
(i.e., training/competence), mental and physical ability to really do what needs
to be done, and of course a quality fire arm and holster are required of anyone
who carries. If you lack any of these qualities, them maybe you need more
training or maybe you should not carry. Of course accidents do happen to all of
us, but like others, I am a little skeptical of the "dropping excuse" unless it
the gun was defective. If it was just in his pocket and not in a holster, then
this was certainly not the best way to carry.
If a gun is concealed... unless it is very hard to get to... you still have the
element of surprise. Most criminals are not particularly good with their
weapons -- no chance to practice. Having said that, you can wait to draw it
until such a time that you have the tactical advantage -- when the person taking
the action feels comfortable that you are unarmed. Honestly, how many defensive
situations have you been in where you needed one in the pipe?
stupid is as stupid does. who carries a loaded weapon in a fast food joint.
Afraid of the Hamburgler??
To those of you who say "Why carry a gun?", Or "Why carry a gun in a fast food
restaurant?" I say, you will never "get it". The point is to be prepared and be
responsible for your own protection. Why wear a safety belt? What are the odds
of you being in an accident? Yes, it is more probably then needing to use a
gun, however, my point is that you do not know WHEN you will need a seat belt or
a gun so why not use it? It's the responsible thing to do.To those
who DO carry and DON'T have a round chambered...why take a minimum of a second
or to to chamber a round when a second is all you may have, especially when the
bad guy may already have THEIR weapon out?I think that more people
should carry a handgun, either concealed OR open carry. The world would be a
safer place for it.
Well, i have to say this is funny. To all of the gun-bashers on here, let me
know how you feel after you are robbed at gun point and wished you would have
had a way to save your wallet and jewlery or possibly your life. Face the
facts, this is a very violent world today. Some people want to be in denial and
sit around and think " whats the odds? it cant happen to me" well, when it does
happen then maybe you will understand why there are people out there that
actually fear for their lives in this everyday world and wish to protect their
lives and property. People that have their CCW permit are TRAINED how to use
and carry a firearm. They dont just hand you a gun and bullets and say " go at
it". People that carry handguns are at a big risk, because they are responsible
for their actions and that makes us all very cautious while carrying a handgun
and makes us responsible. Granted there are some idiots out there that just
didnt grasp the concept during their CCW class.
If he had a quality holster this would not have happened.
What makes this bad is it makes the anti-gunners say "I told you so".I'd rather
have my gun in a safe mode,rather than in a place that things like this can
happen.Odds are a million to one that you'll never need it.Why have it where it
is off safety,and in a state that "you" will be the bad guy by "your" gun going
off and killing a good guy.Keep it safe guys and gals.
I have one never carried it, but if I did, you bet it would be loaded (maybe not
one in the pipe though), and if I had to, I would use it. If there were no guns,
murders would use bow and arrows, knifes etc. So don't count every murder with a
gun as if it was caused by one. Perp would just use something else. Knife very
effective too. More than you suspect. So how about we ban those too? Its just a
If he would have had a Glock, it is a known that a Glock will not discharge when
Guaglione | 11:28 a.m I can chamber a round as I draw to fire. It takes two
seconds. It's better to invest two seconds of time than to bury someone. I don't
have conservative values.
For the record, I'm a new poster:Anonymous: Yeah, you can chamber as
you draw. However, the point is that it takes more time that you likely won't
have in a self defense situation. The guy made a mistake, it's obvious, but to
say that you should carry, for all intents and purposes, an unloaded gun for
self defense is ludicrous. I hope you can throw that gun pretty fast as you're
going to need something when the seconds and fractions of seconds count on it.
Your life may not be valuable enough, in your opinion, to accept the inherent
risks of carrying a loaded firearm, but the lives of my family and friends and
my own is.E.S.: ANY gun can fail and if you go check out some of the
Glock forums you'll see that Glocks fail spectacularly sometimes! There are drop
safeties in pretty much all modern firearms that help prevent accidental
discharges, but they don't eliminate them as they are a working machine and
things fail.In my opinion he was being stupid and shot the toilet,
got hurt and then freaked out.
to all the men and women in the service who protect us day and night currently
serving or retired thank you for your service and advice on this story. as many
posts have stated a gun is a tool it is up to the owner to use it wisely as with
all tools. the truth of the matter is if someone really wants to do harm to
themselves or someone else they are going to find a way to do it! even if it
means doing it with their bare hands. so we could go insane and ban everything
under the sun as a POTENTIAL weapon and walk around nude in a extremely vain
attempt MAKE this world a safer place and it would still be just as dangerous as
it is today. why is that? because its the PERSON behind the object/weapon that
makes the decision to inflict the harm/damage. so to make the frightened gun
haters happy I suggest that we lobotomize the entire populous so that we cant
think or act on our own thus being unable to hurt each other :P. seriously
people lighten up!! after all it is just a toilet.
If he had a Kel-Tec P40 it would of not went off.
Maybe he thought it was trying to run him down.