to be living at a time when there are Temples to attend. If you can go, then go;
you're doing good work and you'll be a better person. If you can't, then find
out what it takes to get there and do it; it will be worth any effort you have
I'm very excited to take my kids through in a couple weeks!
What? No cafeteria? Wow, that really does make it special, doesn't it? Really
strengthens my testimony. At least it still has the trademark fiberglass Moroni
No thanks...this is one place I would NEVER visit
Wow!! The animus comming from the usual suspects on this blog amazes me. I say
to you, get a life!I think it is wonderful to have 4 temples in the
Salt Lake Valley. Brigham Young would be proud.
It looks like the Anti's are already coming out in full force. As a practicing
Mormon I have appreciated the opportunities to visit many other religious
buildings of other faiths. I invite you to do the same.
Only a waste if you don't know the purpose.
Makes me sad to see such hateful remarks. The world certainly is going in the
wrong direction. Temples are so beautiful. It's a shame they draw such hate
from some people.
For the people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints this is an
exciting event. For those of you who aren't interested, why bother to take the
time to make sarcastic comments????
These comments are horrible, any house of the lord is worthy of a visit from
anyone who is worthy to visit their.
I grew up in Draper, as did my mother, when it was just a little farming town.
Well, it has changed a lot, and I am very pleased to see a temple built up in
the hills where I played as a child. I just had knee replacement surgery, but I
hope to be able to tour the temple. I'm grateful for the temples all over the
world. We live in Vernal, and have a beautiful little temple here, which is a
blessing to us. TOPHER AND OTHERS who have made negative comments, you
apparently are unaware of the beauty, both physically and spiritually, that is
inside each temple. Your comments show great ignorance on your part. I'm
sorry. You are missing so much, but it is your choice. Please don't make
belittling comments about sacred things.
Odd, very odd. I don't understand the negativity. The money spent employed
people. It is the Church's money to spend. If you don't want to go, don't go.
What ever happened to live and let live? Does a beautiful building in Draper
harm you in any way?
Beautiful!!! I love ALL things that inspire people to be better, kinder, and
more enlightened to live a more responsible and caring life. I have found the
temple to be the greatest place for me to feel closest to God and thereby those
feelings. I do wish people could and would allow for that with out
so much hate coming from them.
If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all.
For anyone living near a Temple how blessed you are. A Temple of God. A safe
Haven from the world. A place where you can go for peace, and truly feel the
strength and protection of Heaven in your life. A protection, if you but, keep
the commandments and are obedient to the universal, eternal laws. A gift of
blessings, that no matter how much money you have or worldly wealth, you CANNOT
buy the blessings or peace that attending the Temple worthily can give. Not one
thing on this earth can give you or make you feel the peace and comfort you feel
in the Temple. Money cannot buy this not know not ever. As far as a waste of
money, not even in the ball park Topher. It is not about Money eternal
happiness cannot be bought with money. Just a thought our dollar is becoming
worth a little next to nothing, if you haven't noticed. The Temple is paid for
just blessings from here.
I would encourage all of you to come to the open house and see the beautiful
temple. I guarantee each of you that you will not be disappointed! It is an
opportunity that few in the community get. Ask any neighbor that is a member of
the LDS Church and they can make arrangements for you to see it. They are not
built wastefully, but they are built as beautiful edifices that will last
hundreds of years!
To they who've posted ridiculous comments;If you're opposed to the LDS
Church and/or having nothing positive to say about it, why are you reading LDS
oriented news anyway??
if naysayers whine on this board about how stupid temples are. Let them whine.
Let them complain. Let them grow angry and poisoned. Let them mock us. In the end, when they stand before God and He explains to them the way
things really are, not what they thought, not what they wanted things to be, not
what they believed the way things were but the way things REALLY are, then
they'll see.Like the hymn says: "temples, avenues to exaltation, in
a lofty splendor shine"......The caravan moves on!
I look forward to going to see it in the next week or so.
A good place for the HOLIER THAN THOU.
What a waste of money coming from a church who has lost the way. The Mormon
Church bears no resemblance to the Church set up by Joseph Smith and has so
joined hands with the world it might as well be Catholic or Bhudist.
God wants to to rent or buy special clothing or He won't listen to you?
You people need to have your heads messaged. Your brains are malfunctioning.
The Temple is a sacred place to worship God the Father and Jesus Christ.
Anyone, no matter their faith, san respect and be glad for what it represents.
It's a beautiful building. Congrats!
I am a Bible believing Lutheran and would never leave my church and the gospel
of Jesus Christ. Enjoy your new temple. I am sure it is lovely but I have no
desire to visit it as I am content and happy in the Lutheran Church.
Nice, I am sure Heavenly Father led you to Draper. Draper refused a DI but the
Church still moved ahead with a Temple. Hmmm.... It is all about appearance and
of course the almighty dollar. Modern religion is a pretty sad thing.
As an ex-LDS I used to be so amazed by how many dead relatives, who when alive
hated the Church, but when they had their Temple work done the relatives always
said, 'I know that they have accepted the Gospel'. And yet the LDS Church
teaches that it is easier to accept the Gospel in life than after death. Next
time you visit the Temple take note of how many dead relatives DONT accept the
Gospel. Ha, hardly any when you are feeling the 'Spirit'.............. Theres a
whole story right there!
Im from NY, I feel the same way, Its amazing to view the redundant battle within
the state lines of Utah. I don't quite understand why people have such a gripe
against of all things a Church. I say to all you that cant hack it in Utah, Come
to NYC, Come indulge and absorb the true American melting pot and realize that a
futile battle against some church is the least of our problems. I
for one am a true "freethinker". Organizations will be organizations but to see
the human drive for metaphysical peace and understanding is an amazing thing.Rock on Mormons.God Bless.
In reading some of the negative posts, a thought comes to mind: No
unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage,
bloggers may combine, enemies may post, former members may defame, but the truth
will go forth bodly, nobly, and independent until it has penetrated every
continent, visited every climb, swept every nation, and sounded in every ear.
I am LDS live near the Temple and I will regret the day The Temple opens.
Traffic and everything else will be effected. Church leaders should have picked
a better location. There is just not the infrastructure to support the traffic.
I think the location was a very bad mistake. I liked it while the nieghborhood
By touring the temple, would you be leaving the Lutheran church? I have been in
Lutheran churches, Catholic cathedrals, Russian Orthodox churches, etc and yet I
have never left my own church. While I found them very fascinating, I felt no
obligation to join their faith. What will it hurt to tour the temple?
I just want to add something the article does not mention. All the
work relating to this open house is done by church members who are volunteering
their time and talents. I know one local man serving on the executive committee,
and it has been nearly a full-time job for him -- and, no, he is not retired.
This shows the importance of this open house for church members; an
opportunity to share and explain their most important religious beliefs with
Oh, give me a break! Blah, blah
13 Some were lifted up in pride, and others were exceedingly humble; some did
return railing for railing, while others would receive railing and persecution
and all manner of afflictions, and WOULD NOT TURN AND REVILE AGAIN, but were
humble and penitent before God.
Brothers and Sisters, I don't live in Utah, but congratulations on your new
temple! It is beautiful and so is the work that will be preformed therein. I was
converted to the gospel with a profound spiritual experience that I didn't
imagine or could have. I know the Gospel is true independant of any other
person. I am sorry a few feel the need to come and ridicule this sacred event.
They are like the souls Lehi saw in his vision in the large and spacious
building without a foundation who mock and ridicule. I guess we will always have
You have I-80 to the east and west; and you have I-15 to the north and south. I
you do not like Utah or LDS than get to steppin'. No matter how you protest and
put down the Church we are growing leeps and bounds and this Temple is a
testiment to that tremendous growth.Little dogs bark in the night
but the caravan continues to move on.Grow up people and if you don't
like Utah, well then MOVE! You Anti's are a piece of work!
It's definitely a full moon. Judging from the comments.
Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling
there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those
1) Why is it necessary to compare size between temples in different locations?
Isn't what happens inside - which is the same in every temple regardless of size
- really what matters???2)Use of the term "rank" to describe the
statistic that the Draper Temple will be the 129th operating temple. "Rank"
implies that the first temple built was the best, that the second is of lesser
import/value/merit, the third less than that, and so on. Isn't every temple of
Actually this building respresents a very efficient use of money, by only
having the needed items in the temple, and not the extras that help in many ways
but are not actually needed for the temple to operate. I am looking
forward to all the other temples getting finished and many more being announced.
Re: Matthew, Somehow I think Jesus needs to come and do a service of the same
kind people living today and to some of the money hungry Morm0ns.
Yeah, all Mormons are stupid and all the freethinkers are smart. Uh-huh. So
why do Mormons have the highest % of members with college degrees?BTW, I've got 3 in case you want to borrow one!Freethinker? Yeah
The closer you get to God the more order, harmony, joy, knowledge, intelligence,
purpose, beauty, understanding, intimacy, charity, patience, kindness, wisdom,
charity the more you move to the other side, the more chaos, pain, frustration,
fear, poverty, hate, selfishness, violence, confusion, darkness, greed, lust,
ignorance, lonliness, grief, and misery. God is perfect love, perfect reason,
omnipotent, Satan is perfectly dark, perfectly lost, forever alone, perfectly
miserable. The more you move in either direction the more you take on the
attributes of God (good) or Satan (evil). I have worked in temples as an
ordinance worker for many years and every ordinance that is preformed for both
the living that dead is for good. Seek God with all your heart. Take this
opportunity to visit a temple and listen with your heart and feel God's love
towards you and your family.
I hope we have a different architect for the mall. Not so good.
It's beautiful for everyone to share their comments and beliefs, but PLEASE if
you want your statements to be credible: be sure to spell check and use proper
I have read the negative comments and those by members who have had their names
removed from the records. Is it really important to us that you had your names
removed. I know several who have requested the same and yet when told how to do
it they balk at doing it. Why, is that? A Bishop a few years ago agonized over
such a letter for several months before taking action on it. Why, because he
needed the membershipm NO. Because we needed the money this member would give,
NO. It was all because of the persons eternal perspective.You don't
have to believe anything that is given to you but every room in the temple
basically is explained and what goes on there without mention of the particular
ordinances done. You get to see the baptismal font, the small chapel inside,
the endowment rooms, the celetial room and even the sealing rooms with the
mirrors and all. Come and see. Enjoy the spirit that is within the walls of
the temple. For those that ridicule maybe if you really knew what the spirit
felt like you would understand. Come and see to feel of the spirit of God.
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone to find trolls on any LDS-oriented story.
What's surprising is that anyone wastes their time responding. Expend your
energy in positive comments, not useless responses.
remember 3 nephi 6:13 thank you so much, you took the words right out of my
mouth. would the lord want us insulting and accusing others ever? not even in
defense of his church has he ever insulted or asked others to. we should be
happy and excited for the opening of another temple. also MoJules i attend the
bountiful temple and there is never a lot of traffic going through those
I had a negative post ready to send when I noticed the post below yours. They
are so right. We should not turn and rail just because you did it. So, may I
politely suggest that if this article bores you, perhaps you could choose not to
read things about Mormons.
it's a beautiful building and should be appreciated for that if nothing else.
if there was a story about a new beautiful catholic cathedral no one
would say they were mad it was built... it would be a blessing to have a new
edifice to color our surroundings.
Are always present at Temple Dedications and Open Houses. Satan rages in their
hearts. Read 1 Nephi chapter 14 in the Book of Mormon. It is all explained there
long before any Latter Day Saint temples were built. Remember, our Savior died
for these unworthy individuals as well as for good, dedicated Latter Day Saints
so that they may also stand before the judgment seat of God and make an
accounting of themselves. Glory be to God in the Highest, Peace on earth good
will to men....is our creed.
With all the trouble and challenges our world is going through right now, I find
peace in the attending the temple. I look forward to the day our children
choose to go and feel the same way my wife and I do.I look forward
to moving within walking distance...
We are a blessed people indeed.
With all the nonsense going on with the economy and the rest of the world. It's
nice to see this wonderful Church growing and giving aide to millions around the
World. It's always a blessing when the Church adds another Temple! Nice to see!
Believe me, the ridicule here is nothing in comparison to the unadulterated rage
that occurs on the trib comment boards. However, it's worth noting the
instructive words of Bro Maxwell. I quote:"Some eager individuals
lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe.
They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute.
They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain.
Confrontive, except of themselves, of course, they leave the Church, but they
cannot leave the Church alone. Perhaps in their mockings and beneath the stir
are repressed doubts of their doubts. In any case, given the perils of
popularity, Brigham Young advised that this people must be kept where the finger
of scorn can be pointed at them. Therefore, brothers and sisters,
quiet goodness must persevere, even when, as prophesied, a few actually rage in
their anger against that which is good. Likewise, the arrogance of critics must
be met by the meekness and articulateness of believers."
Fools mock, but they shall mourn.
It appalls me that so many people are saying such terrible things about this LDS
Temple. I am, and forever will be , Catholic. I love my Faith, I believe in the
precepts of my Faith. But I would never heap the ridicule on anyone, that is
being being done to the LDS people on this board. I have LDS friends who WANT to
come to Mass to see "what everybody is talking about". They have no intention ,
nor would I seek to convert them. The same holds true of any LDS Temple. I would
like to visit one, prior to dedication, just to see what they are like inside. I
am quite sure the LDS have more class and dignity than to try to use this
visitor period as a proselytisng tool. I congratulate the LDS people on their
new Temple. Please come visit the Cathedral de Madeleine when you can. Peace to
What a beautiful temple! I can't wait till it opens!
Striking, modest edifice. Just wish it was in more modest location. With the
surrounding mansions, I can see why some feel it gives an appearance of
Maybe this blog seems like an angry post to some of you folks out there, but
it's quite mild in comparison to some of the other blogs on LDS on the internet.
However, we have some pretty mouthy LDS members on here as well. I think
everyone just needs to calm down.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,I would like to say to each one
of you that I have thoroughly enjoyed the comments form both LDS and from non
LDS. It really lets me know where we need to work hard as good LDS to help those
who are less fortunate. We are such a blessed people and need to open our hearts
to those who are angry and need our blessings. It would be nice if we LDS people
could learn to try to hold our tongues and always keep a smile, with good
behavior, and our composer while writing verses while blogging.Good
day and goodnight. God bless us with patience.
The number of the temple refers to how many there actually are, not how it ranks
among the others. The size and services/ammenities offered in the
Temple are of great importance. For instance renting Temple items aren't
available. If you traveled a distance expecting to be able to purchase something
to eat while you are there, you are going to be disappointed. I would think
Temples built in different locations would vary in size based on the population.
I'm Catholic and it makes perfect sense to me why those points were
made in the article. Another building for practicing one's faith is
a good thing. I am no where near an Open House of a new LDS Temple.
I wonder how long your open houses are? I know you want to use the facility but
a bit of time to allow those normally not permitted would be nice. Sincere question. What happens at a wedding where your sister is getting
married and you come and your kids can't go in? I've seen the wedding shots of
the family outside the building and they often include pictures of kids, but
they aren't old enough to go inside?
When my sister-in-law and her husband were married in the temple, my wife and I
went in and our kids stayed with my sister (who was a teenager) during the
ceremony. Temple ceremonies are not very long. The kids waited in the waiting
area and were able to be part of the photos.As for your question on
Open Houses - usually 3 or 4 weeks as I recall before the temple is dedicated.
I would feel better if i saw the LDS church building some shelters for the
homeless or opening up soup kitchens or having medical clinics for those who've
lost jobs like some other churches do. Yeah, the LDS church says they
contribute a lot to charity, but compared to how much they take in, it is
nothing. We wouldn't need as many missionaries if we were more engaged to doing
good to all mankind, not just members. Sorry, just don't have the same feeling
since i saw the Prop 8 campaign was waged with lies, distortions and fear
The LDS Church is a MAJOR supporter of the St Vincent de Paul soup kitchen in
downtown Salt Lake. The church also makes MAJOR contributions to the homeless
shelters in the city and state. Sounds like you need to follow the news more,
and complain less. And the missionary program is designed to help all mankind,
not just members!
I would not enter the temple because it means nothing to me. I do not cannot
will not accept Mormonism. Going there would be depressing for me and I do not
want to be depressed.
I would like to respond to Still a member. The LDS are always the First to
respond to any Emergency. They give far more in charity then any other Church.
No other then God himself condemed Homosexuality. All Great Civilizations were
distroyed by immorality and sin. Greece and Rome come to mind. Will we be
I feel bad about the comment I wrote and would like to repent...I really just
wanted to say that the draper temple is so Glorious and cant wait to tour it..I
live in Logan and have the privelge of having a temple here..I moved form Twin
Falls Idaho and they just recently dedicated that one and I had the oppurtunity
to attend the open house... AWesome the spirit is so strong...those who are
negative...I challenge you to attend the open house..I challege you my
friends...I love you all...haters or not...GOD bless..."Forgive me for I am a
I dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised if the LDS church does a lot more
in-the-trenches work than most of us realize.
I saw a couple of comments made about location and traffic and it made me sad.
I went inactive when I lived in Salt Lake and never gave myself the chance to be
grateful for the number of temples there were. Now I have to drive 2 hours to
get to the closest temple and before it was built had to drive 5 hours. Be
grateful for the blessing of having so many temples available to you and stop
whining about traffic patterns.
As the scriptures say " there must needs be opposition in all things" Let the
demons rage. Until the light of truth strikes these comments will be made. I
have been a member since 1956 and rejoiced when a temple was built in
Johannesburg. Controversy also raged in the area but is now a well known
landmark in the ciry. Rage on Toper and cohorts your day of reckoning will come.
The gospel is on the earth and will endure no matter what you say. I as an
individual when I read these things am reminded of the words of the Saviour when
He hung on the Cross. Father forgive them for they do not know what they are
I welcome another Mormon Temple to Utah, to anywhere. I am not LDS. I am
originally from Arizona. I have always loved the Mormon Temple in Mesa. I just
wished the city would improve the area around it. I am excited to know the
Mormons are building other temples in Arizona. They will improve Phoenix and
Gilbert. I too don't understand the negative talk about Mormons. I have always
found them to be wonderful friends and neighbors. And now living in ST. George
I am surrounded by them and love it.
Another awesome House of the Lord and beautiful tribute to our Father in heaven
and His son Jesus Christ. I appreciate their love for all of us, their children
on earth, for restoring the Gospel of Jesus Christ and in building temples that
we may be families together forever. I love them for their love and for caring
about us so much.
Still a member;;;Really? I know of no other church that contributes more
to the wellbeing of others and especially non members than the LDS church. Why
are you making this a $$ issue? The church looks after the spiritual well being
of people as well as the temporal. When was the last time you checked the church
news or the Ensign and saw how much humanitarian aid the church does? Or
doesn't fresh water, education, glasses, wheelchairs, homes, immediate disaster
aid, etc count? As for your last comment. Goodness. Take a closer look at
what happened before and esp. after the vote and i think you can see who were
out of line. I don't believe there was any lies, or distortions, but if there
were, does it compare the the violence, destruction, and vandilism that took
place by those you apparently support?
Amen to Jess's comment. N'uf said. Christ always did* have a way with words.
Lies? Distortions? That you believe the church doesn't have shelters, food
kitchens, or medical clinics for the needy is "the" distortion. You write as
though you've seen the accounting ledgers, but I'll put it in simple terms for
you: The LDS church has one of the LARGEST and most COMPREHENSIVE humaitarian
aid programs in the ENTIRE world. They actually provide aid to foreign
governments during disaters, war, and other crisis situations. Millions and
millions of dollars in goods, time/service, and infrastructure improvement are
spent freely by the LDS church on behalf of needy people across the world. But
as you will unwittingly attest, they can't save everybody.
remember: 5 were foolish, and 5 were wise.oh, and also remember: he never
came back out and opened the door unto the 5 foolish
All I can say is love it or leave. You will answer for your actions later. The
Temple is the most sacred building ever built on the earth. Things you know
nothing about should be kept to yourself. If you love God and his Son Jesus
Christ you will keep your comments to yourself. Just remember we pay for
every little thing we do here on earth and for every hurtful and hateful remark
that we make. We will all be judged at a later date and that date is not
far off so if I were a lot of you I would repent and ask for forgivness from the
Lord so that you can stand before him and be humbled before him and be forgiven
for your sins.
It's a beautiful House of the Lord. I'm in Houston and grateful for our Temple.
The cool art is, that we as members have financed the temple through our tithes
and therefore it doesnt really matter what others think how that money is used
but what we as members think. An quite honest, i would rather wear
my old clothes, eat a little less fancy, skip vacation, dont have a brand new
car, walk to work, even go without TV or even electricity for that matter. I
think a temple of the lord is much more worth to a meber of the church then many
conveniences of life and even most necessities.Greetings from
Many of you feel "obligated" to share with pride opening of this new temple.I'm sorry, it's design is a mess. It is a very ugly building.It's also
2 too many temples along the Wasatch Front. The other two are working at about
30% capacity as it is. This is a financial ruse to make the world think the
church is actually growing.
The church actually does more charity work than most even begin to know about.
They use items stored at distributed storehouses which is collected during times
of calamity and is usually first at the scene of any tragedy (hurricane, flood,
earthquake, famine, etc). It is done as it should be, with quiet dignity and
without bragging or press releases.This is also used on a daily
basis to feed those who have lost their jobs or are otherwise in need. Dr. Laura
and others have done reports on the quality and efficiency of this process. The
church doesn't do what other churches do because they are already doing it. They
are filling another need behind the scenes and without much credit (obviously).
Departed from the Church Joseph set up? I think not. Both Joseph Smith and
Thomas Monson are working together on the same project. Building the kingdom of
God on the earth. We need to be involved in the same work. Much of that work
is done in the temples. This Draper Temple will greatly advance the work Joseph
still wants to go forward. If you've left the church, then leave. If you still
need to be here, then welcome back. We miss you. BE NICE OR BE GONE!
Since this is "news" in the utah section of the forum I will respond. I do not
respond as a Christian to the things in the Mormon news section as it is none of
my business to comment there.Mormon temples look like Stalin-styled
buildings. Monoliths, not uplifting architecture. They look like fortresses.
The first time I saw the one in Boise I thought it was part of a theme park.Really. It must be function because it sure isn't pretty. No glass, no
curves, etc. Architecturally, Stalinesque.Step back now, and look.
Not with the eyes of believers, but as a human coming across the building.
Looks like something out of Prince Valiant.As to why people should
come and see, etc., there is a primary difference in visiting Christian churches
and Mormon temples. You can only visit the temples when they are not
consecrated, dedicated, and not during "business." In Christian churches the
services are open to everyone, sinners if you wish. Thus the two choices are
not equal. In one you get what the public relations dept. wants, in the other
you get to see if as it operates, weddings, funerals, etc.Fundamental, critical, significant difference.
re: Z | 9:39 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009Thanks so much for sharing Elder
Maxwell's quote. From that I was able to find the talk on LDS.org ("Becometh as
a Child"). That alone made the effort to read through these comments (even the
negative ones) worthwhile.
the church contributes a great deal to with homeless and those who have lost
jobs. There are employment centers all over the world to help people get basic
training and find jobs. As for soup kitchens, anyone can get any amount of food
that they stand in need of by talking with their local bishop. So not just a
single lunch or dinner but a two weeks supply of food if they are going hungry.
And for medical clinics the church is constantly donating money to provide
medical care around the world. They donate $3 million just for measles and
since then have continued to donate to help with medical problems all over the
world and donated more large sums in 2005 and 2006 to help vaccinate the Ivory
Coast, Kenya, Mozambique, Nigeria, and Tanzania. All those things you mentioned
are currently being donated to in great numbers via monetary funds and/or
volunteer hours, locally and all over the world.
It's been fun reading the "Good, Bad and the Ugly."
I think I'm smarter than everyone else including leaders of the church. I know
better how they should spend their money and build their buildings. I certainly
know better than they do about how to defend the family. Because everyone knows
its better to not hurt the feelings of deviants than to uphold the right of
children to have a mother and father.Just kidding. I love temples.
They constitute the final and full fulfillment of the covenant with Abraham made
5000 years ago. It is a blessing to live in a time when the Lord's long promised
blessings are being fulfilled. There is no better blessing offered than the
blessings and protection of temple covenants. They're even better than the
benefits of soup kitchens.
Ya I enjoyed making the stain glass windows with Tom Holdman, mainly because
they were easier then Rexbourg, lol, but i stilled enjoyed building windows for
Once, the Apostle Peter questioned the wisdom of Jesus when the Savior allowed a
woman to bathe his feet in her tears and then anoint them with expensive oil.
He thought greater good would have come from selling the oil and giving to the
poor. He said, "To what PURPOSE is this WASTE." Christ then proceeded to teach
him that you will always have the poor with you but only for a short time will
they be with Him. The woman, in fact, "hath wrought a good work upon me" Jesus
declared.Many can't see the purpose of the temple but we know it to
be a house of the Lord where we draw nearer to him. Others may think the money
would be better spent elsewhere but we know that good works are wrought in the
temple.Also, if you are curious about why we must pay for or rent
clothing or "god won't listen to us", read about the ceremonial clothing made
for the tabernacle of Moses's time. The priest had to wear some specific
clothing to approach the Lord in the Holy of Holies or to offer any sacrifice.
Pray always. In the temple, observe the ceremony.
Thanks for your comment! I think you are spot on. I am active LDS living in
Arizona, but I lived in Provo and Salt Lake both. I actually chose my apartment
in SLC one block south of the cathedral because I loved the sound of the bells.
I've been to mass, to amazing concerts there, and I was delighted to tour it
when there was restoration work being done in the early 90's. I remember
gathering with some friends who taught at the MTC with me adn driving up to see
the restoration work - I knew one of them would love climbing up the scaffolding
and seeing things up close. I hope you will likewise enjoy visiting our temple
and that you will feel the friendship I have always felt at the catheral.
You both are wrong, don't quote scriptures if you don't know them:Matt. 7:
6 6 aGive not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your
pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and
rend you. 3 Ne. 14: 6 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their
feet, and turn again and rend you. D&C 41: 6 6 For it is not meet
that the things which belong to the children of the kingdom should be given to
them that are not worthy, or to dogs, or the pearls to be cast before swine
When the temple in Portland, OR was built there was a great deal of angst over
parking and whether the neighborhood would be able to handle a building of that
size, etc. Instead it has become a beautiful landmark in the city. The
neighborhood is amazing, and has become a wonderful place to live and work. Yet
the temple site remains one of the most peaceful and lovely, with those who are
not Mormon coming to enjoy the landscape and spirit of the area. We are looking
forward to getting a temple where I live now, Philadelphia, and I look forward
to what this blessing will do for the area that has been selected for the
temple. The temple is for all who are members and non-members, it is our choice
whether to enjoy the benefits.
I have read all the comments and am saddend by what I have read. The Temple is
wonderful place to go to get away from all this negativity. It is our choice to
be a part of it or not. I have not been a member all my life so I know both
sides. I would always choose to partake of something that has made me a better
person and brought my family closer together over all the horrific goings on in
this world. But it is my choice and only my choice. That is the beauty of it.
I will travel to see this new beautiful place that will be home to so many
faithful saints in Draper.
All of the temples built since the 1970s have either looked like World Fair
pavilions or Soviet era monuments. They all seem to be from the same
cookie-cutter mold. Enough of the same! Its hard for me to get excited when
they have become so commonplace. The earlier comment about the fiberglass
Moroni statues on top of them all is right on.
If you put your efforts into finding out about all the humanitarian aid the
church gives you would feel differently. Also you could join "Mormon Hands" a
volunteer group that goes to areas that need help and gives of their time to
help those in need. My son this last summer went to Peru with AYS. They with
23 other teenagers worked to rebuild an orphanage. Roof, septic tank and cement
sidewalks. The church gives help to all in need. It isn't just for our church
members, but those of all faiths. So before you are quick to judge, put on a
pair of old jeans and get a shovel and HELP!
Three of the most sacred experiences I have ever had have taken place in the
temple. These are feelings that cannot be replicated or conjured from my mind.
I've asked for repeats and the memory grows brighter. They are not the
imaginations of my mind, but truly beautiful and impressive experiences when the
Lord has manifested to me that what is done in the temple is true, eternal, and
of Him. Thank you Father for thy temples.
Is it just me, or does this monstrosity look like the Idaho Falls temple sitting
on top of the Mesa temple? Aren't there ANY Mormon architects who can design
WOW! I didn't realize hate was so strong in Utah! We've been warned that
"in the last days" Utah would become a hated,corrupt and evil place. Are there
more non members and apostates in Utah now?Brothers and Sisters in the
Gospel....you are wasting your time argueing with these non believers! You are
only feeding into their evil designs. Please remain focused!Prophecy
is only being fulfilled.
Paris would not be the same without Notre-Dame, London without Westminster abbey
and St Paul cathedral, Vaticano without Saint Peter, Rome without the Latran,
Moscow without St Basil, Istambul without St Sophia and the Meteora without the
Orthodox monastery of Rousanou, Tibet without it's Deprung monatery, Bangkok
without the Choti-Naram, The Golden Pavilion (Kinkakuji) in Kyoto and Salt lake
without it's Mormon temple... Gifts of time, talent and money--among
others things--by beleivers as act of faith and devotion to God. A testament of
what they perceived as being essential to good living, a needed part of human
inner growth.I so glad that Draper has joined the great historic
community of temple builders. God bless them and all those that comes within.
Re: Still a member,I agree with you. You made an excellent comment.
Thank you. I have visited the Cathedral in Salt Lake City, and it is a
beautiful building with a peaceful feeling inside. I have attended meetings
with friends in other faiths and have appreciated the different styles of
buildings, but always the same friendly loving greeting from the members of
those faiths. As a European who emigrated to the US I had many
occasions to visit some beautiful Cathedrals in England, France, Germany etc.,
and loved the architecture, the art contained inside, the reverence displayed,
and would always reflect on the hundreds of years of faithful worship by so many
thousands of people. I attended christenings, weddings and funerals of family
and friends in many Churches, and always respected that I was in a place sacred
to those of different religions to mine.I hope that if you attend an
open house of a temple, you will also appreciate the beauty, the workmanship,
and that others less tolerant or understanding as you, will see it is a place
for people to practice their faith, as they believe, just as it would be for
those of any other religion to practice in their buildings.
I can't understand all of the negitivity towards the church in Utah. If some
people aren't happy with the state they should move and live somewhere else or
learn to live in peace with everyone. Aren't we all striving to live in a more
peaceful world? Hasn't Christ said to love thy neighbor as thyself? If anyone
is truly a Christian believer then you shouldn't be acting this way!
The Savior said "Love one another" What simple but meaningful counsel whether
you are a believer in Christ or not. There is good in all people. We all need to
do away with mean spirited ways of any kind. Ignore those that say such things.
Do not allow it to cause you to lash out, we know better than that. We need to
put our arm around all people. The Temple is a place of love for all, it's the
Lords house and he welcomes ALL to come and visit.
I would love to be able to go to this open house. Although I will be able to
attend the temple when I do come to Utah, an open house is also wonderful. The
Lord will continue to bless the faithful. And he continues to love the
Are all Mormons as naive as the ones who are posting here?
I've lived in Utah for several years and understand the hostility. I've been
told that if I'm not LDS that I shouldn't live here, that I shouldn't drink
coffee or wine, had people simply turn away from me when they found out that I
wasn't LDS.The response to these is 'people are not perfect but the
church is'. But every person is a missionary and if a person treats me badly
w/r to religion then I assume that represents the church's mission.I
know lots of wonderful people that are LDS. There are also lots of wonderful
people in Utah that are not LDS. It's unfortunate that one negative comment
harms the opinion of the whole group but that's human nature.
Re: Please ExplainThere have been temples and work done in them from
the times of Christ and by those who belonged to the Church of Christ so if this
is not that very same Church and Gospel restored in latter days as members
believe it to be, please point us all in the direction of that Church that
exists today that does have the same temples that do the same work as in the
time of Chirst. Oh and that Church must also have a Prophet and 12 Apostles
just as in the time of Christ. For the Anti's and their negative sentiments
that they post, please don't be so jaded from whatever experience you've had
with whichever members you've had them with. The members are not perfect but
the Church itself IS and trust me that the sooner you figure that out and stop
speaking evil of it, the better it will be for everyone involved and especially
As I have traveled to some of the great cities of the world, I have enjoyed
visiting places of worship, most of which belong to other faiths (I'm LDS). How
great it is to be in places such as Cologne Cathedral, Umayyad Mosque, etc. and
experience the devotion of people who believe differently from me. I hope that even those who have made caustic comments on this board will visit
the new temple during the open house, and instead of 'throwing darts' will be
glad that there are beautiful places of worship that inspire people to be
better, even if those people believe differently from themselves.
You know, unlike the charity orgs. like Red Cross, the Church gives 100% of its
money to charity. Other charity orgs. pay for the transportation, the staff
salaries, and a bunch of other nonsense before giving it to those in need. So
really, you are paying someone else to give them your money.
Beautiful building...yesShould be respected ...yesUplifting to
LDS...YesCopy of what Jesus did when he was on the earth...I don't think
so.HE spent His time with the poor, the afflicted, healing and
teaching...not building multi-million $ temples all over the place.
People tend to be down on what they are not up on.
There are countless architectural wonders by the earlier mormons, but somehwere
along the line quantity usurped quality. I can't think of an LDS structure in
recent past that has an original timeless look. All wardhouses have the same
vibe as a Walmart- bigbox construction and a sea of asphalt. All recent temples
look the same to me (howevr this one has more of a Stalinist/prison vibe than
most.) The church has an endless cash supply, why not really build something
beautiful for the Lords house? He already has one like the Draper temple. We
know you can do it- Salt Lake, Logan, San Diego are proof.
Thanks you Des-News for letting outsiders comment on this post, I enjoy reading
the different opinions of others on here. It's not just one sided LDS, and that
makes it more interesting. I like knowing what others are thinking about us, it
toughens us up just a bit to know.I'm not sure yet that we will have
a chance to view the open house on the new temple, but we certainly hope to do
We live 6 hrs from the Salt Lake Valley and can hardly wait to bring a car-full
of youth to go through the temple. These kids are clean and pure and strive to
live God's commandments and are anxious to do temple work for our kindred dead
and all others. There is such a feeling of peace and joy in the temple that can
not be achieved outside the temple. I am very thankful for the Gospel of Jesus
Christ and a place where we can come closer to diety.We would gladly drive
12 hours to visit the temple. I would hope more youth could become worthy to
attend the temple and strive for high and noble things. Yes, you have to be
worthy and have a recommendation to attend the temple, other than the openhouse.
I see a major difference in the youth who hold on to those values as
opposed to those who give in to their physical appetites. They are truly the
youth who will be our righteous leaders of tomorrow.
NONSENSE RE: "the Church gives 100% of its money to charity. Other charity
orgs. pay for the transportation, the staff salaries, and a bunch of other
nonsense before giving it to those in need."And just who do you
suppose pays the salaries of the General Authorities? (Yes, Virginia, they ARE
paid, unlike bishops and stake presidents.) Who pays all their
travel and administrative expenses? Who pays for the flowers and the pretty
lights on Temple Square?The LDS church is no different from other
charitable organizations when it comes to expenses.
I am thrilled with the completion of another beautiful LDS Temple. These sacred
buildings are a great blessing to all who enter. Thanks to all who make such
Mormons believe that God listens to everyone no matter how they're dressed, or
where they are.We also believe that not everyone listens to God and
that those who do - mormons included, don't listen often enough.Special clothes and special buildings help us focus our attention on the
divine. It's TOTALLY worth the trouble.
The temples have always intrigued me, tho I honestly do not conceive the
necessity.Will they show any of the Masonic rituals?Why
are the temple marriages so restrictive on who can attend? It seems to be
anti-family to not allow non-member family and friends to attend.
the temple rituals are masonic rituals, that is where Joseph Smith got them.
I am so grateful for the new temples in the valley. I am sure they will be a
great blessing to us. Our family was privileged to be able to contribute to the
building of the Jordan River Temple. It wasn't very much, just what each family
was asked to donate. But it has always been my favorite temple and I am
grateful that I was able to help with it. Each month I contribute a
little to the Temple fund with my other donations. This is the Lord's work and
it's a privilege to be a part of it.The beauty of the temples is
found in the work, not the edifice. The temples have a beautiful simplicity to
them. To me, each one is glorious for the feelings I get when I am in them.This is not naivete. I have studied things in my own mind and heart for
years. I have questioned many things and have found the truth for myself.
I'm sure it is a beautiful building inside. I prefer to get my beauty from
nature, you know, the places that God created, not man. Places like the red rock
desert, etc. The places that the republicans all want to destroy and exploit for
money, and whom all the mormons in Utah support. So you want to destroy God's
beauty while simultaneously reveling in man's beauty. Think about it for a
I don't see how you think the Church is different unless you are looking at
things such as its growth. The Prophet Joseph Smith said it would fill the
world. That doesn't mean everybody will join it, but that it will be a world
wide Church, and that it will have millions join it.
Joseph Smith worship is truly a disturbimg item for Christians. Christians only
want to help mormons and we hold our hand out to you in friendship and hope that
you see were you have been led astray.
Anti-Mormon literature and comments is the work of satan to try to slow down the
building up of the Kingdom of God. I pray for those who mock The Church of Jesus
Christ for they mock GOD!
People living in Pittsburgh have to drive 4-5 hrs to the Washington D.C. temple.
Were there long waits at the Jordan Temple/Salt Lake Temples? Seems like there
are many areas in the world/country where members have to drive extraordinary
distances to attend a temple.
God is dead. It was on the cover of Time magazine back in the 1960s. Mocking
"God" is no different than mocking Hercules, Zeus or Apollo. Or a fence post for
Where is that gas bag John Pack Lambert? Why haven't we heard him pontificate
and share his delusions of grandeur with us on this matter?
Re: Savant said, "Temple rituals are Masonic rituals, that is where Joseph Smith
got them."Well, sort of. The Masons got them from Kabala (sp?) - go
check it out and you'll find it all over the internet with tons of sources.Kabala is a branch of the Judaism, which continued the temple rituals
through the ages.This is pretty simple stuff.
How interesting it is to see how Joseph Smith, a successful religious
entrprenure, with a few elite conspiritors build a religios ruling class that
continues on into today's modern times still duping more followes into
subjugation and exploitation. We need to look for God in ourselves; not in the
suduction of the ruling class.
You are ANTI human. So quit griping! I mock your stupidly and not the church
I invite you all on both sides of the argument to go to the Church's website and
divide the total amount spent on humanitarian aid over the last 22 years by the
number of church members. The amount per member per year is shockinging low.
To those who like assert that Joseph Smith "stole" the temple ceremonies from
the Masons, I would ask whether you are qualified to make such a claim. It
seems to me that the only people who can legitimately make such a claim would be
those who are very familiar with both LDS temple ceremonies and masonic rituals.
I'm LDS, but I am not a Mason, so I can't say for sure how similar temple
rituals are to masonic rituals.For more information regarding the
supposed connection between LDS temples and Masonry, Jeff Lindsay has an
excellent article on his website under his FAQ section. The article does not
show any disrespect to LDS ceremonies. Among many other sources, the article
references current LDS members who are also Masons. The article also references
early members of the church who were Masons, who later turned against the
church.A warning: Jeff Lindsay is LDS, so if you are inclined to
disbelieve anything ever said, written or implied by a Mormon, don't bother
looking at his site - you are already happy with your beliefs and any evidence
that might contradict what you "know" to be true would probably just make you
Whatever it is, that is one UGLY building. Looks like Lenin's tomb with a
plastic Moroni on top. Seriously, did they hire unemployed ex-Soviet
architects? That ugly thing belongs in in Moscow.
I CAN SEE IGNORANCE IS BLISS!
Just because you are an APOSTATE Mormon doesn't make you an expert on how to
treat or judge others, or whatever they may believe in. I think you need to do
some repenting and some deep soul searching. I'm sure your slate has dirt all
You would think that prophecies being fullfilled would send the message to one
and all. Oh well, you guys are so anti and full of hate that you cannot even get
over yourself to realize this if the One true and living church. Nice try anti's
but you better get you facts straight and know a little bit about Jesus Christ
before you attempt to tear down his Church. Your efforts are for not as even you
recognize the growth of the church.
I would love to answer the comments to my original post, but the DN will not let
my posts through. My comments are not obscene, vulgar, off-topic, or
misrepresentative. Why am I not allowed to answer your responses and
participate in the discussion?
Why don't you just tell us what the average amount per member is? Is it because
you don't know? Is it because you never actually went to the Church's website,
got the necessary information, and calculated it? If you didn't, you are a
liar. If you did, then congratulations on wasting your time trying to prove
that Mormons aren't donating enough, and then not actually giving any concrete
results to show for it. Maybe you could tell us how much you have
donated on average over the last 22 years.Maybe if you did tell us,
we wouldn't care anyway. Some of us like to keep our nose out of other people's
Toughen up! The ignorance you see is your own.
Joseph Smith worship does not constitute Christianity. When will you ever get
You are one twisted feller.
Still a member - I agree very much with you, and I believe you are sincere in
your comments. I am also a member, but find myself becoming disaffected with the
church. To church members - please try to be a little less
reactionary. I am not an 'anti.' Satan does not 'rage in my heart.' If you judge
me to be 'swine', well, good for you. I love the teachings of Jesus and desire
to do good. I have tried to make comments on this forum as well that
have not been allowed to post, and so I may be typing in vain. I
have never been comfortable in the temple. I am happy for you that have
wonderful spiritual experiences there, but that has never been the case for me.
The rituals and watching the same film over and over and over again just is not
uplifting and I find it to be a frivolous exercise. I am sorry if this offends,
but I am just trying to be honest. I feel the spirit much more
strongly when I am simply (of my own volition) helping a friend in need.
It amazes me how anti Mormons go out of their way to attack our church. I
thought the purpose of belonging to a church was to work to be a better person.
As a Christian, isn't it your goal to love everyone, even if you don't agree
with them? Why go out of your way to attack my beliefs? I don't attack yours. As
for baptisms for the dead - IF our church isn't true, what difference does it
Light noise, car noise, car traffic, foot traffic. It is a bad location with
inadequate public infrastructure and purely a choice to project power strength
and growth. It is clear the LDS Church is no more environmentally friendly then
the developers who chose to take away some of the last open space in the slc
valley. It is a little sad.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not worship any of its
prior Presidents or the current President of the Church. In every thing we do
is in reverence to the Lord Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. The Book of
Mormon another testament of Jesus Christ testifies along with the Bible the
divinity of Jesus Christ and his mission here on earth.Temples are
where spiritual healing, learning and life saving ordinances take place. They
are beautiful to the eye. THe Church reaches out to others all around the
world. We were the first ones to assist with the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast
after Katrina. We were the first with aid and assistance to the Tsuami affected
countries. We have assist in riding Africa of a measles epidemic. We are
working consistantly in trying to solve the poverty of Africa through constant
aid. You don't see us jumping up and down telling the world what we are doing
because it is nobody's business. We assist our own who are homeless and in need
every time it comes up.The Bible says you will know them by their
works. Look at the Church as a whole.
To "Z" Thank you for the excellent quote from Brother Maxwell. I would
appreciate the reference for that quote.
LDS worship Jesus the Christ, and God the Eternal Father. We revere Joseph
Smith, Jr. for the wonderful restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it was
established by Jesus Christ and the original Twelve Apostles. ( Orthodox
Christians follow the teachings of a committee organized by a non-Christian
(Constantine) who just wanted to end the squabbles over the various church
leaders in the 4th century AD.)We revere Joseph Smith as a true
prophet, not as a god. There is a huge difference. It is not worship. We do
not pray to him, nor Mary. We pray to our Father in Heaven, through his
anointed Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is our Intercessor with the Father.
And I'm grateful every day of my life for the Atonement. I'm grateful for the
added blessings of the Temple.
I want to know more about the rituals? If they are masonic rituals, and everyone
who is knows of them, ...then what's the big secret?
Anonymous, thank you for your last comment. We welcome you to tour "our"
Re:: Anonymous 12:21, I bet you are one LDS who treats everyone with courtesy
and kindness rather active or a non member-right? That is the most important
part of Mormonism is how we live our lives and treat other human beings no
matter who they are, right?
I've been through the temple and frankly thought it was just plain weird. It
was NOT a spiritual experience for me. Too many oaths and covenants that were
downright freaky (although I have been told they have been discontinued). If I
want ritual, I will visit a Catholic church. If I want spirituality, I will
meditate and pray by myself in the woods.
By your own teachings Joseph Smith is now a god. So hmmm where would the
allegiance lay? From many perspectives worshiping Joseph Smith would be more
I meant to say inactive members included. Sometimes they get pounced upon by
active member who think they and their non-member friends are all a bunch of
Are masons allowed to enter LDS Temples for worship?
I ocassionally look at a few comments on news articles. Those concerning the LDS
Church seem to draw them most, negative and positive. What is amazing is that
people have time to waste on things they don't like. Like the "full-time"
texters, why not use the minutes that turn into hours to study, read something
worthwhile, do service in your communities or learn to play an instrument?
Anything but the continual harping and back-biting on something you are not
I look forward to traveling to Utah and visit the temple.
PS: I don't know if the Angel Moroni is of fiberglass, but wouldn't it provide
a pletheria of comments if it was real gold? The naysayers would really have a
"cause to sponsor".
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. God is love. He is full of
peace, kindness, joy, and happiness. Christ is the Savior of ALL mankind. "For
God so loved the world that he gave his Only Begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
What a beautiful temple. To all the naysayers, does not any edifice which is
dedicated to the Almighty, be it a Catholic Cathedral, a Jewish Synagog or a
Latter-Day Temple deserve our praise? Of course it does for it raises our eyes
to something bigger and mighter than us that deserves our praise. Praise to our
Savior and our King!
It took me a matter of seconds to look up the facts from the church website. A
little over $1 billion in cash and value of goods donated between 1985 and 2007.
USA church membership is 5-6 million. Comes out to $10/member/year. Will you publish my comment this time? I've posted this information at least
My family recently attended a temple. The temple experience is beautiful,
bonding and uplifting. A very positive family experience.
Draper City was to prominent and voted down a DI which would of helped countless
people but immediately approved a Temple. I personally do not think they are
worthy and think the church should have chosen a new location.
Re JJ,Why would you think non-members and in-actrives would hang around
for any other reason then just because in your own blindness, that just maybe
they might just be interested? What is wrong with that? If these people are
skeptical or course they aren't going to agree with everything you say. However,
being NASTY with them will not bring them any closer.
"There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670. "All other churches are entirely
destitute of all authority from God; and any person who receives Baptism or the
Lord's Supper from their hands will highly offend God; for He looks upon them as
the most corrupt of all people. Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less
than the whore of Babylon." Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255.
The authority claimed by the Mormon Church is through an "Aaronic Priesthood,"
which cannot be valid since Jesus abolished it, as He took its place (Hebrews
7:11-19, 8:6-13); and a "Melchizedek Priesthood" which never existed as any
operative "priesthood." Jesus is our only High Priest. He alone holds this
permanently and no one else! (Hebrews 7:15-28, 9:11-15).
Yay Mormons! They at least stand for decency when there is none in the world
today! I think alot of the hate comes from people who are guilty of something
and want to point the finger...again, Mormons stand for decency, common sense,
and love...and that is refreshing for me, I don't see that anywhere else.
Great blessings will come to you. I'm from New Mexico, a Lamanite, a Mormon.
Who are the anti-Mormons and haters who post on here and why do they do it?
Rather than critique and knock down Mormon doctrine (as if they know it better
than actual Mormons), why don't spend more time talking about their own beliefs
and try to uplift?If you don't want to go to the temple open house
or church, or hear the missionaries, no one is forcing you to do any of
these.Anyone can find fault and criticize. Why not find something
you believe in and live it? I'd like to know what you are FOR, instead of what
you are AGAINST.
Most learned and thinking people will see the lodgic in your post; however, the
people you are posting to are mostly mormons and their cult culture is not a
society of free thinkers. They like a structured religion, it gives them comfort
and security. Many of them realize it is a fraternity of myths, but just the
same it is what they like and want, so you will do better addressing an
intelectual congess rather than waste your time here.
I am LDS (53 years now) and I have never worshipped, nor ever will worship
Joseph Smith. I accept him as a prophet of God. To worship him would be
totally against the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(the Mormon Church). My worship is reserved 100% for God, my Heavenly Father,
and his Son, Jesus Christ. Anyone who tells you that Mormons worship any
Prophet, including the present day Prophet, are totally and completely wrong.
Hope that helps you clarify your understanding of 'Mormons" and their belief.
The first Article of Faith in our religion states "We believe in God
the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."
Huh? "And he gave some apostles, prophets, etc. etc."Did these men
not hold the priesthood?Either the Catholics have the priesthood,
passed down from Christ, through Peter, through a succession of popes. Or, the
Mormons have it - restored through Joseph Smith. Churches who broke off of
Catholicism lost any claim to authority.Problem is, the gap between
Peter and any recognized Catholic leader cannot be bridged.Since
you, I, nor anyone posting on this board was actually there when Joseph Smith
says he received the priesthood, arguing about it is worthless. Instead, study
it out, research it, and pray for your own conclusion.
Remember has it right. Gilwellbear, Twin Falls, Id
I am sniffing out a few polygies on here. The stinch of it all!
I am always glad to see another temple anywhere in the world. The powerful,
peaceful Spirit of the Lord I feel whenever I enter a temple testifies to me
that they are indeed holy places where God's work is performed. Our temple in
Dallas is modest by comparison to some of the newer temples throughout the
country, but the ornamentation and furnishings that differ from place to place
never diminish the joy and peace I feel regardless of where I attend. To me,
they are symbols of God's mercy to his children, giving us a chance to actively
participate in bringing souls to Christ and giving those who believe in him a
place to truly feel his presence. When my son died last year, one of the first
things my wife and I did was go to the House of the Lord and pour out our souls
to God for comfort and strength. He heard our prayer and has blessed us with
peace and hope. The temple reminds me that my family truly is eternal even
though my precious boy is no longer with us. God bless the people of Draper.
Thank you for asking, we are for the truth and for the struggle to over come
fales phophest and teachings that exploite innocent people. Fales religion is a
terrible thing, just remember the attackers of 9/11 were men of religion.
The reason that so many LDS prophecies come to fruition is because they are
SELF-FULFILLING prphecies. For instance, they may say that in the latter-days,
hate against the church will grow. The church will then do something, like
campaign for prop 8 for example, that CAUSES people to hate them, then go back
and say "see, our prophecy was right, that's proof we're the true church!" Um,
to MoJules:I understand that you like to be by yourself in a quiet
neighborhood. still, most temple sites I have seen are not overly affected b y
traffic.However, I bet you will enjoy the increased value of your
home. Home values usually go up much more than other surrounding areas when
temples are built. Maybe you can trade up to a bigger home in a
quieter less, religious neighborhood.
I ask this in sincerity:What good does temple work do for mankind? If you
go through a temple ceremony, how does hat make the world a better place? The
reason I ask is that it makes sense to me that if we are going to be judged,
that we're going to be judged based on how we live our lives, not on performing
rituals or belonging to a particular church.
End of days, end of days, tigers and bears to boot. Nice....
"Ye shall know them by their works": "As I have loved you, love one another."
I have seen the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pay
for rent or food for those of other faiths who had nothing; I saw two of its
missionaries carry a wheel chair between two bicycles across miles of city
streets for the disabled daughter of a family who had no way to get it; I am not
surprised when I hear of my fellow members taking cool drinks out to bitter
crowds protesting outside our temples or sacrificing money, time, or effort for
perfect strangers. I have seen them care for the sick, comfort the dying, fight
for their countries, give freely, expect no thanks or reward, and desire only to
feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and lift up the arms that hang down---so that
we can be like our Master, Jesus the Christ. And be careful, "lest haply ye be
found even to fight against God" (see Acts 5:34-39): for "with what judgement ye
judge ye shall be judged, and with what measure ye mete it shall be meted unto
Whether you are LDS or not, you can look at the pictures of this building as
being beautiful. If you look at it just as a building, you can still see its
beauty, kind of like the Taj Mahal in India. I'm not Hindu, but I still think
the Taj Mahal is beautiful!Just a little fact for you, when temples
are built around the world, the value of the land/property in close proximity to
that temple sky rockets! That land in Draper was quite cheap about 20 years
ago. As soon as they announced the new temple being built, the value of that
land tripled. Same thing happened in Newport Beach, Boston, and Gilbert,
Arizona. Whether from a worldly or spiritual view, you can still
appreciate the beauty of a temple, whether physical or spiritual beauty.
Authority: It seems funny when you say Jesus abolished the Aaronic Priesthood.
In reading the Bible and especially those things about the Mosaic Law you will
find that the Priesthood of Aaron was held by male members of the House of Levi.
They were the ones who conducted the temple ordinances as well as baptized.
Yes, baptism took place in the old Jewish Temples for the living. Thus the
reason why Christ went in search of John the Baptist as he was the most
righteous man holding that Priesthood.Also, Hebrews states of the
Melchezidek Priesthood that Christ was a HIGH PRIEST after the order of
Melchezidek. Therefore, this is no fictional priesthood and thus why the
Melchezidek Priesthood is formally known as the Priesthood of God. On the mount
of transfiguration and elsewhere Christ ordained Peter, James and John to this
Priesthood. Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Enoch and others held this Priesthood. In
fact it is written that Abraham paid tithes to Melchezidek. Fictional
Priesthood, I don't think so. If the Book of Mormon is true, which I believe it
is, then Joseph Smith is a prophet and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is true.
If you are against false religion, that's fine. But don't waste your time
bashing the LDS church, then. It's not a false religion, nor does it have false
prophets.But I do agree with you, 9/11 was an example of fanaticism
and the blind following of either false teachings and/or misinterpretation of
teachings.Bashing the LDS religion will not gain you a single
convert. Rather, why not look into it and see if there is truth there. Don't
take it from a high paid evangelist with a mega church who markets his
hate-filled books and CD's. To him, the church is just a low overhead
competitor. To him, if the church is true, he's out of a pretty cushy job with
followers who will do whatever he tells them to do.
I am sorry that you will be impacted by traffic - hopefully after the open house
it will calm down! Even the traffic by one of the busiest temples (Provo) is
never more than a trickle at a time -- I've never seen a "rush hour."May
you be blessed with peace despite (or maybe it's because of) your location!
It amazes me on how much Narcissism there is within the LDS church. If you don't
understand the word (NARCISSISTIC) which many of you probably have no clue to
what the word means, then I would suggest to each of you to go look it up.I have visited some of the previous Temple with some of my inactive
Mormon friends and I thought they were very nice but to expensive. i am a non
member and always will be.
I read on the LDS Church website in a Conference Report that the President and
the Apostles of the LDS Church are "prophets, seers, and revelators."Can someone please show me their prophecies? Have any of their prophecies come
true? Can someone show me where they have seen hidden things and revealed
secrets that nobody could know without God's help?If they don't do
these things, why do they call themselves prophets, seers, and revelators?
Is it not funny in a strange way that that is what they all say.
If temples are so important to the true Church of Jesus Christ, why didn't Jesus
build temples? If the Mormon church is the Restored Church of Jesus Christ, why
have they restored things that Jesus never taught and never did?
To Bill,Where are you reading all that fiction? Dude, you have been
fooled into believing in a whole fairy world that never existed!
What a great day to be alive in the Salt Lake City area. Come one, come all.
Come see a house of the Lord. Feel the light. Enjoy the peace. See what all
the fuss is about. This is really a special day. Make it your special day.
Of course not all are open minded enough and will not take this rare
opportunity, but those who do and will come with a humble heart will enjoy it.
I can promise you that. I can't wait. I love these places. I have never felt
peace in New York City as I have in the LDS Temple there. You can feel it too
right here in SLC. Truly magnificent. The choice is yours. You owe yourself
this experience. Come. No one is compelled, but all are invited. Please come.
"Peace be unto you."
When the Savior Jesus Christ walked the earth it was written that two disciples
followed him:"Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith
unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being
interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? He saith unto them, Come and
see. " John 1:18-19Don't miss this awesome opportunity to "come and
see" for yourself. You owe yourself that much. There are still a few tickets
Actually John 1:38-39 is the scripture you meant.
Yes, Kay, most LDS know what narcissistic means. I think your point
is the temples are nice, but too costly. I suppose that's debatable. Many say,
"save the money and give it to the poor." Then what? Even Jesus said, "the
poor ye will always have with you." As you probably know, money is not the cure
for poverty. We do our best to help people both temporally and spiritually. I
think Mormons get a bad rap in Utah because they are the majority. Out here in
"the rest" of the USA, we're treated well and respected. My kids are about the
only LDS kids in their schools. They have wonderful friends - we respect them,
they respect us.You say you will never be a member of the Church.
Many have said the same thing, then one day joined. The invitation is always
U said: You say you will never be a member of the Church. Many have said the
same thing, then one day joined. The invitation is always there.Dear
John,You are dreaming. And yes, too costly indeed.
The only way I will get to the Draper temple is if there is a bus going there. I
know that there are many others who are also thinking the same thing.
"If temples are so important to the true Church of Jesus Christ, why didn't
Jesus build temples? If the Mormon church is the Restored Church of Jesus
Christ, why have they restored things that Jesus never taught and never did?"Actually, it is written in the Bible and Book of Mormon that Jesus
taught in the Temples. At the age of 12, Jesus was found at the temple, away
from his parents, discussing doctrine and answering questions of the priests.
In the Book of Mormon, Jesus made his first appearance to the American continent
at the Temple in the land Bountiful. Jesus was very much a
proponent of Temples. Another name for a temple is "The House of the Lord".
Each temple has this inscription upon it. Soloman built a temple, Jesus taught
in Temples and declared them as being holy. This new temple in
Draper truly is the House of the Lord. You can see for yourself, or you can be
stubborn, and make assumptions and judgments without pure knowledge, also known
as ignorant assumptions. But, you have your free will to choose.
To 9:36 p.m commentor,teaching in a Jewish temple is not the same
thing as building temples. Jesus did not organize his 12 apostles and direct
them to build ANY buildings, whether synagogues or temples or whatever. That
doesn't fit with the Mormon claim. Mormons claim Joseph Smith restored Jesus'
original true church. But there is no record of Jesus requiring tithing, raising
money for building church buildings and temples, or any of the stuff Mormons
do.My question still stands unanswered. If temples are so essential
to "true" Christianity, why don't we see evidence of that in Jesus' life and
Why all the hate?
We have very little recorded of what Jesus did or didn't do, so you're right, we
don't know if He did have any buildings built in his 3 year ministry in the Holy
Land. But that doesn't mean He didn't think temples should be built.On the issue of tithing, that commandment has been around possibly forever.
Certainly, the mention of it in Malachi was not an introduction, but a
chastisement for not keeping this commandment. So it's clear it was around long
before this revelation in the O.T.BTW, the church/Jesus does not
"require" tithing - it is completely voluntary. And I am aware of many (in fact
most) other churches who also have tithing, annual commitments, collection
plates, etc.I think the evidence of temples in Jesus' life and
ministry is everywhere. If you've ever been to the temple, the connection
between His life and teachings and what is taught in the temple is undeniable.
Did God not command temples to be built in the OT, BofM and other times? If
then, why not now?
To Re: Anonymous | 9:36 p.m Wow, a bit harsh don't you think?
Someone asks some sincere questions and you accuse them of making "ignorant
assumptions" and call them "stubborn"? Is that how you share the gospel?
I was going to write something on here but decided It's not necessary with all
the hateful know it alls from both sides blabbing away.
I can't wait for the new temple!!! I get to go see it in about a week! and to
all of those who are leaving nasty comments i just want to say that that is so
rude! you shouldn't say stuff like that! and if you don't like Mormons so much,
why are you reading this article? But, i really hope that everybody (even
non-mormons) goes to the open house of this temple! i bet that you will feel the
spirit so strongly and you will not be able to turn away from the church because
of the spirit.
were little like the temples in the Mormon church. And further, they certainly
didn't require a "recommend" to go inside. Sure, it's great they have "open
houses", but it's not cool that they then close them except for people who
that you speak of and it is nothing more than good feelings that you can get in
a variety of areas. When a person finally decides to study the issues closely
with another point of view other than your church's point of view...that's when
you find the "truth".
I'm not LDS, but I'm going to see the temple next week. I think its pretty
impressive and even if I'm not a member of the church I still want to see. I
wonder if I'm in a minority.
God Bless the members to hold their tounge and to simply turn the other cheek,
as those not of our faith heap scorn and ridicule on us. the command of the Lord
is clear to "love one another" and to pray for those who despitefully use us.I
hope that the members will engage in being kind to others and to going about the
work of the temple and to make sure that our actions as curch members will
always speak louder than our words.The saying that talk is cheap is true, show
others the joy and happiness that come from living the gospel by your very
lives.I would counsel our members to stop this at once the making snide and
stupid remarks in response to those who post negative comments. Stop it!!! bite
your tounges and do what is right, love your enemies and go about your business
and ignore the hate and ignorance of others, don't just talk about your
religion...LIVE IT !!!
To Since @7:08 1/10Yes, LDS temples are different than buildings
used for Sunday worship services, whether LDS or "mainstream Christian"
churches. What goes on in other churches, goes on in LDS chapels as well, and
everyone is welcome to come and see for themselves, anytime the chapel is in
use. Since we don't have paid clergy, no one lives at our chapels, so they are
not open all the time.Many of the larger temples have visitor
centers next door, so anyone who is curious can find out what goes on inside,
and see pictures of the inside. Some things are not discussed outside the
temple, because they are sacred. I've been attending the temple for 25 years,
in and outside the US. There is not some great cover-up, some big PR
white-wash. The general information is freely discussed.You seem to
make a distinction between Christians and Mormons. If you'd take the time to
find out what we really believe and what is truly important to us, you'd see the
differences are far smaller than the similarities.
Why must any church be required to fullfill all the charitable spending or
service required the help the poor? There are countless churches all doing
charitable works. There are also government programs providing for the basics
needs of their citizens in need of assistance. Churches spend a far
greater percent of their revenues on humanitarian efforts than governments and
corporations and are more efficient. One more church keeps another
liquor store from going into business and keeps at least the membership occupied
and less likely to get into michief. Two public goods.Also people
who donate regularly tend to be better at handling other areas of their budget
in normal times. Anyone can have trouble with an illness or job loss. But all in
all if you can live on 90% you tend to also save as it's just as easy to live on
80%. More people disciplined is also a good. Church is good for people,
buildings are necessary. God talked all over the old testament about
buildings/how they are to be built and how he wants to be worshiped there.
Jesus went to temple and other than the money changers and the hypocrites,
didn't object to buildings.
RE: KIt's called ATTENTION!!!
Actually if you read the Bible you will find that Christ did teach about tithes
and offerings. The Old Testament is as relevant today as the New Testament.
Many Christians fail to understand that what is written in the Old Testament is
relevant and were taught by Christ. He did not abolish the Law of Moses but
fulfilled it. The ten commandments were not abolished but made stronger.Temples are where sacred ordinances are done. The Lord's Church
prospers because of the sacrifice of its members. Remember what is Ceasar's is
Ceasar's but what is the Lord's is the Lord's. Think of the parable of the
mother who gave all she had and how Christ said to his disciples her place is
greater than those who give a little, because she gave all she had. Think of
the rich man who asked about the kingdom of God and how Christ stated how
difficult it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom. Christ told him to give
all he had to the Church. The rich man declined.The priesthood of
Aaron and the Melchezidek priesthood is taught exceptionally well in the Bible.
You just need to read it.
***I love to see the temple, I'm going there someday, to feel the Holy Spirit,
to whisper and to pray***
Unique design? What?! It looks like every other temple. This temple has a
simlar massing and spatial composition as the Bountiful and Mt. Timpanogos (sp)
Temples. It's just a little smaller. Personally, I would like to see LDS
chapels and temples have more individual designs. The temple/chapels hardly
recongize and respect their surroundings more than a few applied decorations.
For example, this temple has the Sego Lilly and Wasatch Front applied to the
I am from Tasmania .Our nearest Temple is in Melbourne 1 hour flying.We try to
go every year and all our grandchildren have been to the Temple when they turn
12 years of age . It is very sad that people who know so little about the Temple
and the true doctrine of Jesus christ say unkind things about it.I am a convert
and feel so blessed to have the true gospel restored to the earth. What a
wonderful life it is.
If you were to make the assumptions I was talking about then that would classify
you as ignorant, if you didn't experience it for yourself. Everyone has a
choice to visit and check out what a temple is like. If you go in with a
neutral heart, then you can get an honest and true opinion, whether you like
them or not in the end, at least its an honest opinion. When someone
jumps to conclusions before they experience the reality of something, then it is
an ignorant assumption. That's just the name of it in the English language. If
that offends you or seems harsh, "the guilty taketh the truth to be hard." My offer is test it out. Try it. What have you got to lose? You know
they are not going to harm you, kill you, or ask for money. A temple walk
through is harmless, it just takes a few minutes and a little walking. That's
all. So, why not try it? See what all this discussion really is about. Until
you try something for yourself, how can you be so sure of your opinion? That's a summary of what I meant.
Could the ANTI trolls please find another post. You are not welcome here.We can see the temple from our backyard.
I think the new temple is beautiful. I spent a few hours there the other day,
it was very peaceful and nice. I hope that everyone who visits will experience
those feelings of comfort and security. The temple is a great blessing to Utah
and to all those who will visit it.
We attended the Jordan River Temple on Friday, man was it packed. It's
wonderful that additional temples are being required. It shows that the work is
To LDS architect @10:37 1/11I have seen some unique chapels in
recent years. The Kentlands, Maryland chapel was built on land donated by the
developer of the surrounding neighborhood. The donation allowed more funds to
be used in construction that is typical - the church allocates a specific amount
for each chapel, depending on the active membership in the area it will
serve.The site was not flat, so the design had to be altered from
the usual. Also, the developer stipulated that the chapel had to fit the
neighborhood's design standards. That fell within the church's standards, so it
was done that way. The chapel is beautiful and unique.However,
coming up with a unique design for every chapel would drive up the costs,
something the church tries to avoid. They are, after all, trying to do as much
as possible without incurring debt, something they've been able to do
successfully since the late-1800's.
The catholics and others have build great cathedrals through out the world and
now the mormons are populating the world with temples and what good has it done:
the poor are still poor and the rich more rich and no one the wiser improved, or
better off; just more talk, preaching and no results or action. Would not a
good library make more sense.
Luke,The world will always have poor people. Christ commanded feed
my sheep for a reason. It would always be applicable to every generation.As to the no one improved or better off because of religion I tend to
disagree. The poor countries are much more faithful, whatever the religion. Our
Pope has talked about the loss of faith in US and richer Eurpean countries.
Spritual apathy. Mother Theresa talked about a different kind of poverty in
richer nations as well. I would argue that the people of America and Europe need
places to worship in as desperately as the people in Haiti need food and
do you stay in Utah if each piece of news about The Church makes you so unhappy.
I live outside of Utah far away and am struck each time I read the newspaper by
the number of negative comments in at least one article every day. If you are not happy, why do you stay in Utah? There must be something that
keeps you there. If not, find another place where you can be happy and go there
where the news won't make you miserable. Life is too short. There is much good
to be gained and to give wherever you live. So much wasted time and effort. Go
to school, volunteer, put some of your negative energy into doing something good
rather than spending so much time on the computer criticizing those who are do
gooders. Here's the first step . . .turn off the computer . . . ready? . . .
push start, click on "shut down" . . . . Good, now don't you feel better?! Now
go outside and smell the snow, look at the mountains, go sledding, visit a
museum, smile at someone!
I guess that is a fine and good if you are not one of the poor, are you; if so I
hope you can find help through learning at your library or other services, I
doubt your church will do much for you long term, good luck.
Why should my church help me long term? God helps those who help themselves. I
have more of an obligation that to receive help for life from my Church or
anyone else's. There is no shame is being rich, there is no shame in being poor.
The only shame is not sharing. Totally agree about the library being
helpful. I was a librarian. So I'm hardly rich, hardly poor either. But even the
library can only do so much. It's one piece of the puzzle. If you
needed emergency help where would you turn. St Vincent DePaul, your local food
bank which is in large supply due to donations from churches or people who
attend services somewhere. You would not get quick assistance from the
government as you have to prove need, which is as it should be for more regular
assistance. A company's HR department would be of help by eventually hiring
perhaps but it even if you were hired on the spot it would takes weeks to get
your first check. So for quick assistance, immediate assistance I'll call the
nearest place of worship first.
I'm sure it will be pretty. I've been to many temples and they are beautiful.
But I'm sure the Catholic cathedrals are too and I would like to visit those in
a variety of places in the world. That's what they are...beautiful buildings. I
am no longer a Mormon and I am very happy to be free of all your confining
"dogmas". You need to learn that there are a variety of people in the world and
many of us are as close to "God" as you!
Each time a temple is built and is working for our members my heart swells
with humility. This is a sign that more people in our world will be able
tomake sacred covenants with our Heavely Father. Weare striving to
be better people, better members ofthe church, and learning to love others
as ourselves. We are trying to be what our Heavenly Father wants us to
be. Hip Hip Huray!
"It's beautiful for everyone to share their comments and beliefs, but PLEASE if
you want your statements to be credible: be sure to spell check and use proper
grammar."Kind of like either wear a white shirt to church or don't
come at all? PLEASE if you want your statements to be small-minded:
concentrate on the spelling and grammar. Don't bother with the idea behind the
Um . . . it would seem that anyone that puts quotes around the word God in
describing what he's close to, isn't close to God.
Mormons consider as the words of "God" and what many other people do is
different. That is what I've been amazed at with the the Mormons. A number of
them can be so educated and yet when it comes to religion and the variety of
beliefs they often don't have a clue. Don't like the quotes? Ok. My God and the
billions of other people's God is equal to your beliefs in God.
Actually, we have a whole lot recorded of what Jesus did. Jesus' NOT building or
instructing others to build temples is contrary to Mormons' claim that Temple
worship is essential to the "true," original Church.As for tithing,
you can say anything is "voluntary". Giving your money to the robber who has a
knife to your throat is "voluntary". Are you saying I could worship in an LDS
Temple if I did not pay tithing?You claim "the evidence of temples
in Jesus' life and ministry is everywhere." But you have not shown that there is
ANY evidence that Temple worship is part (or the pinnacle!) of true Christian
worship as established by Jesus.The Old Testament (Covenant)
involved very limited Temple ritual. Jesus clearly taught that the old covenant
was fulfilled and no longer needed. The Temple-based Passover was replaced by
the Lord's Supper in a common home, not at the Jewish Temple.I still
don't see any Biblical support for Christian Temple worship. You have failed to
provide any. I would like to understand why Mormons think these temples are
Perhaps you you need to find another place to check peoples grammar and whatnot
instead of DES/NEW. It's nothing to get irritated over. Most blogs have one
mistake after another on them. People really don't care that much. Maybe you
need to go pray about it.Excuse my typos, because I really don't
care-- blah, blah blah.You must be a Troll?
It is very clear from the New Testament as well as legitimate history that Jesus
was persecuted and killed because he taught against temple worship. It was the
chief priests of the TEMPLE, and the "captains" of the TEMPLE, and the elders of
the TEMPLE who accused Jesus, captured him, and took him to his death. The only
thing they needed help with was a Roman court so they could try him for a
capital offense."Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and
captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out,
as against a thief, with swords and staves?When I was daily with you
in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour,
and the power of darkness.Then took they him, and led him, and
brought him into the high priests house. And Peter followed afar off." Luke
22:52-54Can't anyone show any evidence that Jesus' original church
included the rituals and buildings Mormons claim are "restored" Christianity?
Why would Christ command his disciples to build temples while Herod's Temple was
still standing? And arguing from silence on the matter doesn't further your
point. If you want to only go by the fragmentary and second hand accounts of
what's said (or isn't) in the Bible, good for you. The LDS believe that Christ
has commanded temple construction today, so we do it.Nice conflation
of tithing with assault and robbery. If you're such a strict biblical
constructionist, why don't you believe in tithing? As to temples in
Christian thought, spend some time researching it. You'll undoubtedly ignore
the material from LDS scholars as apologetic propaganda, but there's plenty of
non-LDS scholarship out there to support LDS claims that the importance of
temple worship and ritual was not lessened for Christians in the immediate
aftermath Christ's resurrection. For both early Christians and modern LDS,
temple ritual is fundamentally about creating sacred space in which to commune
Christ also was specific about giving to God and giving to Caesar.Tithing is
specifically spelled out both in the old testament and from the words of Christ
in the new testament. Your not finding evidence of Christ asking for
religious structures doesn't negate your obligation to support financially any
church, if you are christian. My church encourages more giving to
other charities than the LDS, but asks for a good percentage as they also do
humanitarian efforts. But honestly the LDS are such a small percentage of the
population. If all their 10% and fast offerings went to the poor, it wouldn't be
enough. Instead of being critical of religious followers giving to their
churches and how churches spend the money, how about going after those who don't
practice any faith? They got so much money lying around since they don't have a
weekly envelope to contribute to. Remember the loaves and the fish,
when 2 or 3 are gathered? Christ meant for people to gather together. Religious
building are vital. Particularly in harsher climates. If you aren't
making an income, you aren't required to contribute to the weekly envelope. Any
% of $0 is $0.
umm, a fine congregation on here.
The poster 1:26 p.m. Jan. 12, 2009 said:guess that is a fine and
good if you are not one of the poor, are you; if so I hope you can find help
through learning at your library or other services, I doubt your church will do
much for you long term, good luck.If everyone in the world were to
follow the example of the LDS Church by fasting once a month and donate the cost
of two meals as a fast offering to help the poor, poverty would vanish. Judas criticized the women for anointing Christ with expensive oil
saying she should have sold the oil and gave the money that was paid for it to
the poor. How did Christ reply? He said to leave the woman alone, that she had
done it to honor him; that the poor would always be with us. Then he blessed the
woman and said her deed to him would be a memorial to her forever. You are
pointing your criticisms in the wrong direction.
"Can't anyone show any evidence that Jesus' original church included the rituals
and buildings Mormons claim are "restored" Christianity?"There are
at least ten different sources from early Christian scholars, Justin Martyr,
Josephus, Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, the Pastor of Hermas, and others, all
documented that the very early Christian church (first and second centuries)
baptized people for the dead, just as the Mormons do in their temples. It was
documentated as late as the 5th century by Epiphanius. Synod the Hippo, when
recording the events of the Nicene counsels, wrote that down as one of the
practices the counsels voted to do away with in the 4th century. There is also
an apostalic parchment sheet, only in scraps, that historians have been studying
for years. In 1895, a Coptic papyrus sheet matching those scraps of parchment
was found, and it details a whole list of work for the dead that those first and
second century Christians were performing - including baptisms and marriages.
Just like LDS temple ordinances. And these were all found more than 50 years
AFTER Joseph Smith reinstituted the practices. There was no possible way he
could have known about them. Go figure.
a fine "congregation on here"...we don't know. And this is a clue; the world is
full of many different kinds of people. Not all people will ever be the same and
not all people (not even a small majority) will ever qualify as members of the
Mormon church. So please enjoy the beautiful structures and know that some
others might think the buildngs are pretty, but they will never be able to
To re: Anonymous @ 8:26 | 10:21 a.m.First, perhaps you should take a
chill pill. You are WAY too defensive and only drive people away from
investigating your Church. Is that your intent?"Why would Christ
command his disciples to build temples while Herod's Temple was still
standing?"Isn't that like asking why build the Draper Temple while
the Salt Lake Temple is still standing?How am I "arguing from
silence"? What exactly do you think my "point" is?You LDS are the
ones with the "point". You are trying to tell me you have the original, "true"
Christianity restored. If that is true, then I would expect to see evidence in
the New Testament of the kind of Temple worship Mormons do today.Nobody "conflated tithing with assault and robbery." Tithing us used to build
temples. Right? Why so rude and defensive?Perhaps instead of YOU
replying in a rude and unhelpful way, there is an LDS person who knows what they
are talking about who can answer my questions in a kind and intelligent way?I think the question is clear: Where is the New Testament evidence that
Temple worship was ever part of original/true Christianity?
To The temples of the Bible | 3:45 p.m. Jan. 11, 2009:Actually,
ancient Jewish temples were quite restrictive of who could and could not empty
as were Egyptian temples. In Egypt, where I lived and explored for quite some
time studying the culture and visiting the Temples, ancient temples were
restricted to the priests and royal house with separate courtyards for
non-priests. You had to be a priest to enter the sacred inner chambers or a
ruler (who were considered sacred). Likewise, the Jewish temple had signs
inidicating how close to the temple non-Jews were permitted, hence that area was
called the Courtyard of the Gentiles. Only ordained priests were permitted
within the temple itself. So, in effect, they did have temple recommends of a
I am familiar with Old Testament Temple rituals. Its sole function was to teach
the need for atonement of sins as a precondition for authentic worship of the
true and living God. The altar of burnt offering was located immediately in
front of the only entrance to the Jerusalem temple for this reason. Next to that
altar was the Laver, or "molten sea" in which the priests washed up after
killing the sacrifice (a bloody business).Will I see an altar of
burnt offering in the Draper temple? No, you will probably say, because Jesus
did away with burnt offerings, right? Well, that was the main purpose of temple,
so it seems to mean Jesus did away with Temple worship.Jesus did not
teach "in the Temple". He taught in the outer courts that were open to the
public. Only the priests were able to enter "The Holy Place" and only the High
Priest on special occasions was able to enter the "Holy of Holies" in which sat
the Ark of the Covenant.What will I find in Draper? More
importantly, how did Jesus change Temple worship, and where is the New Testament
evidence of Mormon Temple worship?
It seems reasonable to assume that if (Mormon) Temple worship is such an
important part of original, "true" Christianity, then Jesus would have made it a
priority for his disciples and apostles to institute the kind of rituals Mormons
do in their temples today. There should be evidence of this in the New
Testament. There should be evidence of this in ANY ancient accounts of Jesus'
life and teachings, but there isn't, at least that I am aware of. That is why I
ask. Are there New Testament (or ancient texts) evidence that JESUS taught or
established anything remotely like the Temple worship Mormons carry out
today?I really would like to know as I tour the Draper temple. I
would be happy to meet someone there who could answer my questions.Anyone willing to help?
1:38 p.m.,Thank you. Was that so hard?So you are
equivocating Christian Temple worship with baptisms for the dead? These source
you allude to do not explain why baptism for the dead was not part of Old
Testament (Solomon's temple or the Jerusalem temple) ritual. Nor do they support
the contention that baptisms for the dead took place in the Jewish Temple. And
they especially fail to show that JESUS taught about, or directed his followers
to carry out, or otherwise participate in baptism for the dead or any other
Is the sole or main purpose of Mormon temples to do "baptisms for the dead"? If
not, what is the main purpose of the Mormon temples?If these
purposes are so important for "true" Christianity, as Mormons claim was
"restored" by Joseph Smith, where is the evidence that Jesus considered these
rituals to be so important?The histories of the LDS Church I have
read say that temples were so important that they started building them even
before building houses for the people in the Salt Lake valley. If temples are
that important to original, true Christianity, why did Jesus fail to emphasize
them in the same way?
I guess one explanation as to why there is no evidence of Jesus teaching about
temples and the rituals Mormons associate with temples is that Jesus himself
apostatized from true Christiantity! Is that what Mormons are saying?
I read a lot of comments on here and from other posts that say something like,
"I'm so glad to not be a Mormon anymore and be free from all of the restrictive
rules."Which rules? There are rules everywhere in society. What is
it that you are so anxious to get free from?Seems to me the real
killer of freedom is addiction - be it alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc. Been
there, done that. That's not freedom.When I hear people saying how
glad they are to be free from the church, I think what they really mean is that
they know deep down right from wrong and attending church/being around other
members reminds them that they're on the wrong path.I've yet to
attend church and been "told what to do."
Can I tour the Draper Temple on Sunday?
Lots of questions about Jesus and what He did/didn't teach about temples. It
has already been said a few times on this board, but making ordinances (example
baptism) are well covered in the NT and OT. Simply because the specifics are
not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist.Anyone who
has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus and NT/OT
prophets.Baptism for the dead is mentioned in the NT.
Dear residents of Utah:Amazed at the number of sad and misguided
people represented on these newspaper forums. Never seen so many misguided
attempts to tear down another's faith.The building of a new temple
or synagogue or mosque or church is greeted in most places with celebration and
congratulations. But, apparently not in Salt Lake City.There
certainly must be a lot of stones in your mountains for people to cast at one
another. Shame on those who persist in casting stones and calling names. How
utterly childish. Please get a life.
My, my, aren't we all a judgmental group on here. Do you people always sling mud
from both directions?
Why do you tease people by telling you have some great truth, and invite us to
come tour your Holy Temples, but then fail to answer our sincere questions?Mormon temple ordinances are NOT "well covered in the NT and OT." Not
even close. If you know otherwise, you really should tell us. If you don't know
otherwise, then you need to stop making those claims."Simply because
the specifics are not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist."With recent archeological discoveries over the past 60 years, a LOT of
things are "mentioned", but that doesn't mean they are true! Just because
Josephus mentions" baptism for the dead doesn't make it part of original, true
Christianity. If it did, then Valentinianism (and other gnosticisms) would have
more of a claim to being the "restored" truth than what Mormonism offers."Anyone who has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus
and NT/OT prophets."That is little help to those of us who are not
allowed in Mormon temples to see those teachings. I would think that is
obvious.I would really like some answers before I tour the Draper
temple. Any help?
Mormon crickets will be bountiful this year. End of days my friends, end of
Your questions are legitimate, but some things that happen in the temple are
sacred (not secret), which is why you're not getting specific details. My
advice is to attend the open house and see what you can find out. There really
aren't any deep dark mysteries in the temple. More like personal experiences.
There are commitments between a person and his/her maker that are not mysterious
or secret per se, just personal. There are several things, for example, I would
be uncomfortable asking you about yourself. It doesn't mean you are hiding
anything, it's just between you and God or you and another person.
"Nobody "conflated tithing with assault and robbery." Tithing us used to build
temples. Right? Why so rude and defensive?"You seriously can't see
how the following statement at 8:26 might be rude and associates tithing with
armed robbery? "As for tithing, you can say anything is "voluntary".
Giving your money to the robber who has a knife to your throat is "voluntary".
Are you saying I could worship in an LDS Temple if I did not pay tithing?"If you have sincere questions, an article comments section on the D-News
site is probably not the best place for an academic discussion of temple rites
This probably isn't the best forum to talk about specific rituals. But what it
is is a good place for people to be able to see that not all people are ever
going to see things the same way. Of course it's up to you to believe that
someday we all will see it the same. But we are talking about what is best in
the here and now. If someone decides to join a church then it is their personal
business, but please don't think that one church is better than another. Let's
all Love One Another as Jesus taught...all else means little. I believe that all
religions (whether Christian or not) can agree on this teaching and it would
make the world a much better place to all agree on that point.
In regards to the temple questions, without going into specific detail, there
was a point right after Christ's resurrection, where He came down to teach the
Apostles for 40 days. There is no existing record of what was taught to them at
that time, though, since that is when the temple ordinances began being
practiced by the people (whether physically inside or at a sanctified place
outside, I don't know), I've heard many people speculate that that is what
Christ was teaching them. There is no official doctrine about that, so far as I
know, but I've heard it repeated many times over the years. I, for
one, think that there was a lot that Christ did and taught that was not
recorded, or was lost over the years, because there are some things which are
too sacred to put down in explicit detail. Also, everything after the Gospels,
and maybe Acts, was written as letters to existing Christians. There would be no
need to give instructions on how to do something that they were already doing,
and there is ample evidence from those early Christian scholars which shows they
were doing these things.
But does this make this the only way to live and think? No...and this is
evidenced by the billions of people in the world that practice different
religions and different ways of thinking. We can all believe and practice as we
will and we should let others do the same. Thanks for sharing your beautiful
buildings sometimes and some of your teachings, but I am not interested.God Bless All
Why isn't this site an appropriate place for a discussion of temple rites? What
are you Mormons afraid of? This is the perfect forum for such a discussion. Do
you have answers or not?
Sarah,Ample evidence? Can you please provide some? So far there has
I think the more believable explanation for why there is no evidence of New
Testament temple worship taught by Jesus is because Joseph stole it from the
To Anon 1:50 PMA forum for discussion is one thing, but there are
certain aspects of the temple that are deeply spiritual and personal and are not
likely to be discussed in detail here.The answers are available to
you. Attend the open house and ask the volunteers. Or, read Boyd K. Packer's
book, "The Holy Temple." Or, call the missionaries. Speaking for myself (and
most members), I'd like you to have the answers you seek. There's nothing to
hide.If you are looking for Biblical specifics on exact temple
practices, you're right, you're not likely to find them. The Bible contains
only a sliver of the history of God's dealings with His people. Either one
accepts the concept of modern revelation (i.e., things revealed since the Bible
was abridged) or one doesn't. A review of the evidence and sincere prayer will
lead to a God-given response.I hope this helps...
Stan,I appreciate your sincerity, but to be honest, your comment
does not help. If Temple worship is so important to true Christianity there can
be no doubt Jesus would have been explicit about that fact and we would find
evidence of it in his teachings and actions. But to my knowledge there is no
such evidence. Claiming that temple worship is so personal, sacred (and secret)
and that is why there is no evidence is not valid. The New Testament (and other
texts) is filled with accounts of Jesus teaching such personal, sacred, and
secret things to his disciples (the Mount of Transfiguration). No matter how
personal, sacred, or secret temple worship is, if it is as central to true
Christianity as Mormons claim, there would be clear and explicit mention of it
in Jesus' teachings and doings. There is not.
I suppose that I would have to assume,based on many of the previous 300 comments
that prayers going up from a mansion are a lot more valid than those going up
from a lowly stable in Bethlehem.
If you don't like us or what we do then move out of the state and share your
comments to those that care!! Have a great life on the paved road!!Ha Ha!!
For those of you who think Mormons are "money hungry": what do you think we use
the money for? It is to further the work of the Lord. I think the finest
materials should be used in building a house of the Lord. The Temples mentioned
in the Old Testament were ornate and impressive. Only the best should be used
in order to honor Him who gave all.
The temple is a sacred and holy place where families are sealed together for
eternity, baptisms for the dead preformed and saving ordences recieved. ALL
people are invited to qualify for these eternal blessings, although ALL will not
choose to recieve them.Members of the LDS faith use the King James
version of the Bible. The Bible Dictionary as well as the Topical Guide give a
comprehensive reference to the four standard works, Bible, Book of Mormon,
Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. There is information
relation to temples in the OT times as well as the NT.From the time
of Adam to Jesus temple work was done for the living only. After the
crusifiction, Jesus opened the way for the gospel to be taught to departed
spirits in the spirit world. Since that time, temple work has been performed for
the living as well as the dead.Modern day revelation is a distinct
characteristic of our faith. We have a living prophet that leads and guides us
today, who speaks with God and in turn reveals Gods will to us. We are so
blessed!!!I love the temple! Just seeing them brings a spirit of
My niece just got married there. It was one of the most beautiful and peaceful
places I have ever been.