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  • We're lucky
    Jan. 9, 2009 2:51 p.m.

    to be living at a time when there are Temples to attend. If you can go, then go; you're doing good work and you'll be a better person. If you can't, then find out what it takes to get there and do it; it will be worth any effort you have to make.

  • Melissa
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:03 p.m.

    I'm very excited to take my kids through in a couple weeks!

  • I Believe!
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    What? No cafeteria? Wow, that really does make it special, doesn't it? Really strengthens my testimony. At least it still has the trademark fiberglass Moroni on top.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:12 p.m.

    No thanks...this is one place I would NEVER visit

  • KM
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    Wow!! The animus comming from the usual suspects on this blog amazes me. I say to you, get a life!

    I think it is wonderful to have 4 temples in the Salt Lake Valley. Brigham Young would be proud.

  • Bless your hearts
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:50 p.m.

    It looks like the Anti's are already coming out in full force. As a practicing Mormon I have appreciated the opportunities to visit many other religious buildings of other faiths. I invite you to do the same.

  • Dorothy
    Jan. 9, 2009 3:54 p.m.

    Only a waste if you don't know the purpose.

  • Holly
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:01 p.m.

    Makes me sad to see such hateful remarks. The world certainly is going in the wrong direction. Temples are so beautiful. It's a shame they draw such hate from some people.

  • Hmmm!
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:00 p.m.

    For the people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints this is an exciting event. For those of you who aren't interested, why bother to take the time to make sarcastic comments????

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    These comments are horrible, any house of the lord is worthy of a visit from anyone who is worthy to visit their.

  • My Home Town
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:06 p.m.

    I grew up in Draper, as did my mother, when it was just a little farming town. Well, it has changed a lot, and I am very pleased to see a temple built up in the hills where I played as a child. I just had knee replacement surgery, but I hope to be able to tour the temple. I'm grateful for the temples all over the world. We live in Vernal, and have a beautiful little temple here, which is a blessing to us. TOPHER AND OTHERS who have made negative comments, you apparently are unaware of the beauty, both physically and spiritually, that is inside each temple. Your comments show great ignorance on your part. I'm sorry. You are missing so much, but it is your choice. Please don't make belittling comments about sacred things.

  • From Texas
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    Odd, very odd. I don't understand the negativity. The money spent employed people. It is the Church's money to spend. If you don't want to go, don't go. What ever happened to live and let live? Does a beautiful building in Draper harm you in any way?

  • Chris H
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:15 p.m.

    Beautiful!!! I love ALL things that inspire people to be better, kinder, and more enlightened to live a more responsible and caring life. I have found the temple to be the greatest place for me to feel closest to God and thereby those feelings.

    I do wish people could and would allow for that with out so much hate coming from them.

  • Mother says:
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:14 p.m.

    If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all.

  • A Safe Haven from the world
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:16 p.m.

    For anyone living near a Temple how blessed you are. A Temple of God. A safe Haven from the world. A place where you can go for peace, and truly feel the strength and protection of Heaven in your life. A protection, if you but, keep the commandments and are obedient to the universal, eternal laws. A gift of blessings, that no matter how much money you have or worldly wealth, you CANNOT buy the blessings or peace that attending the Temple worthily can give. Not one thing on this earth can give you or make you feel the peace and comfort you feel in the Temple. Money cannot buy this not know not ever. As far as a waste of money, not even in the ball park Topher. It is not about Money eternal happiness cannot be bought with money. Just a thought our dollar is becoming worth a little next to nothing, if you haven't noticed. The Temple is paid for just blessings from here.

  • I'm Red!
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:19 p.m.

    I would encourage all of you to come to the open house and see the beautiful temple. I guarantee each of you that you will not be disappointed! It is an opportunity that few in the community get. Ask any neighbor that is a member of the LDS Church and they can make arrangements for you to see it. They are not built wastefully, but they are built as beautiful edifices that will last hundreds of years!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:20 p.m.

    To they who've posted ridiculous comments;
    If you're opposed to the LDS Church and/or having nothing positive to say about it, why are you reading LDS oriented news anyway??

  • It doesn't matter.....
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:23 p.m.

    if naysayers whine on this board about how stupid temples are. Let them whine. Let them complain. Let them grow angry and poisoned. Let them mock us.

    In the end, when they stand before God and He explains to them the way things really are, not what they thought, not what they wanted things to be, not what they believed the way things were but the way things REALLY are, then they'll see.

    Like the hymn says: "temples, avenues to exaltation, in a lofty splendor shine"......

    The caravan moves on!

  • arc
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    I look forward to going to see it in the next week or so.

  • Fluff job
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:34 p.m.

    A good place for the HOLIER THAN THOU.

  • freethinker
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    What a waste of money coming from a church who has lost the way. The Mormon Church bears no resemblance to the Church set up by Joseph Smith and has so joined hands with the world it might as well be Catholic or Bhudist.

  • Who knew?
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:42 p.m.

    God wants to to rent or buy special clothing or He won't listen to you?

  • Tofu
    Jan. 9, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    You people need to have your heads messaged. Your brains are malfunctioning.

  • Dan S.
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:15 p.m.

    The Temple is a sacred place to worship God the Father and Jesus Christ. Anyone, no matter their faith, san respect and be glad for what it represents.

  • washcomom
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    It's a beautiful building. Congrats!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:24 p.m.

    I am a Bible believing Lutheran and would never leave my church and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Enjoy your new temple. I am sure it is lovely but I have no desire to visit it as I am content and happy in the Lutheran Church.

  • Housser
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:39 p.m.

    Nice, I am sure Heavenly Father led you to Draper. Draper refused a DI but the Church still moved ahead with a Temple. Hmmm.... It is all about appearance and of course the almighty dollar. Modern religion is a pretty sad thing.

  • Please explain!
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:43 p.m.

    As an ex-LDS I used to be so amazed by how many dead relatives, who when alive hated the Church, but when they had their Temple work done the relatives always said, 'I know that they have accepted the Gospel'. And yet the LDS Church teaches that it is easier to accept the Gospel in life than after death. Next time you visit the Temple take note of how many dead relatives DONT accept the Gospel. Ha, hardly any when you are feeling the 'Spirit'.............. Theres a whole story right there!

  • JCNY (Re: From Texas)
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:47 p.m.

    Im from NY, I feel the same way, Its amazing to view the redundant battle within the state lines of Utah. I don't quite understand why people have such a gripe against of all things a Church. I say to all you that cant hack it in Utah, Come to NYC, Come indulge and absorb the true American melting pot and realize that a futile battle against some church is the least of our problems.

    I for one am a true "freethinker". Organizations will be organizations but to see the human drive for metaphysical peace and understanding is an amazing thing.

    Rock on Mormons.

    God Bless.

  • No Unhallowed Hand ...
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:54 p.m.

    In reading some of the negative posts, a thought comes to mind:

    No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, bloggers may combine, enemies may post, former members may defame, but the truth will go forth bodly, nobly, and independent until it has penetrated every continent, visited every climb, swept every nation, and sounded in every ear.

  • MoJules
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    I am LDS live near the Temple and I will regret the day The Temple opens. Traffic and everything else will be effected. Church leaders should have picked a better location. There is just not the infrastructure to support the traffic. I think the location was a very bad mistake. I liked it while the nieghborhood was quiet.

  • Re: Anonymous 5:24
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:59 p.m.

    By touring the temple, would you be leaving the Lutheran church? I have been in Lutheran churches, Catholic cathedrals, Russian Orthodox churches, etc and yet I have never left my own church. While I found them very fascinating, I felt no obligation to join their faith. What will it hurt to tour the temple?

  • Robert
    Jan. 9, 2009 5:57 p.m.

    I just want to add something the article does not mention.

    All the work relating to this open house is done by church members who are volunteering their time and talents. I know one local man serving on the executive committee, and it has been nearly a full-time job for him -- and, no, he is not retired.

    This shows the importance of this open house for church members; an opportunity to share and explain their most important religious beliefs with others.

  • Yawners
    Jan. 9, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    Oh, give me a break! Blah, blah

  • Remember 3 Ne 6:13 when you post
    Jan. 9, 2009 6:15 p.m.

    13 Some were lifted up in pride, and others were exceedingly humble; some did return railing for railing, while others would receive railing and persecution and all manner of afflictions, and WOULD NOT TURN AND REVILE AGAIN, but were humble and penitent before God.

  • Ridgerunner
    Jan. 9, 2009 6:16 p.m.

    Brothers and Sisters, I don't live in Utah, but congratulations on your new temple! It is beautiful and so is the work that will be preformed therein. I was converted to the gospel with a profound spiritual experience that I didn't imagine or could have. I know the Gospel is true independant of any other person. I am sorry a few feel the need to come and ridicule this sacred event. They are like the souls Lehi saw in his vision in the large and spacious building without a foundation who mock and ridicule. I guess we will always have them.

  • Joshua
    Jan. 9, 2009 6:19 p.m.

    You have I-80 to the east and west; and you have I-15 to the north and south. I you do not like Utah or LDS than get to steppin'. No matter how you protest and put down the Church we are growing leeps and bounds and this Temple is a testiment to that tremendous growth.

    Little dogs bark in the night but the caravan continues to move on.

    Grow up people and if you don't like Utah, well then MOVE! You Anti's are a piece of work!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 9, 2009 6:45 p.m.

    It's definitely a full moon. Judging from the comments.

  • Matthew
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:07 p.m.

    Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

  • About the actual article..
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:13 p.m.

    1) Why is it necessary to compare size between temples in different locations? Isn't what happens inside - which is the same in every temple regardless of size - really what matters???

    2)Use of the term "rank" to describe the statistic that the Draper Temple will be the 129th operating temple. "Rank" implies that the first temple built was the best, that the second is of lesser import/value/merit, the third less than that, and so on. Isn't every temple of equal importance?

  • John Pack Lambert
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:17 p.m.

    Actually this building respresents a very efficient use of money, by only having the needed items in the temple, and not the extras that help in many ways but are not actually needed for the temple to operate.
    I am looking forward to all the other temples getting finished and many more being announced.

  • Tammy
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    Re: Matthew, Somehow I think Jesus needs to come and do a service of the same kind people living today and to some of the money hungry Morm0ns.

  • Re: I believe Part 2
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:27 p.m.

    Yeah, all Mormons are stupid and all the freethinkers are smart. Uh-huh. So why do Mormons have the highest % of members with college degrees?

    BTW, I've got 3 in case you want to borrow one!

    Freethinker? Yeah right.

  • Ernie Hemple
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:33 p.m.

    The closer you get to God the more order, harmony, joy, knowledge, intelligence, purpose, beauty, understanding, intimacy, charity, patience, kindness, wisdom, charity the more you move to the other side, the more chaos, pain, frustration, fear, poverty, hate, selfishness, violence, confusion, darkness, greed, lust, ignorance, lonliness, grief, and misery. God is perfect love, perfect reason, omnipotent, Satan is perfectly dark, perfectly lost, forever alone, perfectly miserable. The more you move in either direction the more you take on the attributes of God (good) or Satan (evil). I have worked in temples as an ordinance worker for many years and every ordinance that is preformed for both the living that dead is for good. Seek God with all your heart. Take this opportunity to visit a temple and listen with your heart and feel God's love towards you and your family.

  • Justin
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:46 p.m.

    I hope we have a different architect for the mall. Not so good.

  • Concerned
    Jan. 9, 2009 7:54 p.m.

    It's beautiful for everyone to share their comments and beliefs, but PLEASE if you want your statements to be credible: be sure to spell check and use proper grammar.

  • Bill
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:00 p.m.

    I have read the negative comments and those by members who have had their names removed from the records. Is it really important to us that you had your names removed. I know several who have requested the same and yet when told how to do it they balk at doing it. Why, is that? A Bishop a few years ago agonized over such a letter for several months before taking action on it. Why, because he needed the membershipm NO. Because we needed the money this member would give, NO. It was all because of the persons eternal perspective.

    You don't have to believe anything that is given to you but every room in the temple basically is explained and what goes on there without mention of the particular ordinances done. You get to see the baptismal font, the small chapel inside, the endowment rooms, the celetial room and even the sealing rooms with the mirrors and all. Come and see. Enjoy the spirit that is within the walls of the temple. For those that ridicule maybe if you really knew what the spirit felt like you would understand. Come and see to feel of the spirit of God.

  • Ignore the trolls
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:09 p.m.

    It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone to find trolls on any LDS-oriented story. What's surprising is that anyone wastes their time responding. Expend your energy in positive comments, not useless responses.

  • Re: remember 3 ne 3:16
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:20 p.m.

    remember 3 nephi 6:13 thank you so much, you took the words right out of my mouth. would the lord want us insulting and accusing others ever? not even in defense of his church has he ever insulted or asked others to. we should be happy and excited for the opening of another temple. also MoJules i attend the bountiful temple and there is never a lot of traffic going through those streets.

  • re: Yawners
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:19 p.m.

    I had a negative post ready to send when I noticed the post below yours. They are so right. We should not turn and rail just because you did it. So, may I politely suggest that if this article bores you, perhaps you could choose not to read things about Mormons.

  • Its a beautiful building
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:29 p.m.

    it's a beautiful building and should be appreciated for that if nothing else.

    if there was a story about a new beautiful catholic cathedral no one would say they were mad it was built... it would be a blessing to have a new edifice to color our surroundings.

  • Hate Mongers vs LDS
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:33 p.m.

    Are always present at Temple Dedications and Open Houses. Satan rages in their hearts. Read 1 Nephi chapter 14 in the Book of Mormon. It is all explained there long before any Latter Day Saint temples were built. Remember, our Savior died for these unworthy individuals as well as for good, dedicated Latter Day Saints so that they may also stand before the judgment seat of God and make an accounting of themselves. Glory be to God in the Highest, Peace on earth good will to men....is our creed.

  • Great Story
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:48 p.m.

    With all the trouble and challenges our world is going through right now, I find peace in the attending the temple. I look forward to the day our children choose to go and feel the same way my wife and I do.

    I look forward to moving within walking distance...

  • Luke
    Jan. 9, 2009 8:51 p.m.

    We are a blessed people indeed.

  • Chris
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:35 p.m.

    With all the nonsense going on with the economy and the rest of the world. It's nice to see this wonderful Church growing and giving aide to millions around the World. It's always a blessing when the Church adds another Temple! Nice to see!

  • Z
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    Believe me, the ridicule here is nothing in comparison to the unadulterated rage that occurs on the trib comment boards. However, it's worth noting the instructive words of Bro Maxwell. I quote:

    "Some eager individuals lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves, of course, they leave the Church, but they cannot leave the Church alone. Perhaps in their mockings and beneath the stir are repressed doubts of their doubts. In any case, given the perils of popularity, Brigham Young advised that this people must be kept where the finger of scorn can be pointed at them.

    Therefore, brothers and sisters, quiet goodness must persevere, even when, as prophesied, a few actually rage in their anger against that which is good. Likewise, the arrogance of critics must be met by the meekness and articulateness of believers."

  • Jess
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:39 p.m.

    Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

  • Catholic
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:48 p.m.

    It appalls me that so many people are saying such terrible things about this LDS Temple. I am, and forever will be , Catholic. I love my Faith, I believe in the precepts of my Faith. But I would never heap the ridicule on anyone, that is being being done to the LDS people on this board. I have LDS friends who WANT to come to Mass to see "what everybody is talking about". They have no intention , nor would I seek to convert them. The same holds true of any LDS Temple. I would like to visit one, prior to dedication, just to see what they are like inside. I am quite sure the LDS have more class and dignity than to try to use this visitor period as a proselytisng tool. I congratulate the LDS people on their new Temple. Please come visit the Cathedral de Madeleine when you can. Peace to All.

  • Jessica
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:53 p.m.

    What a beautiful temple! I can't wait till it opens!

  • Hmm.
    Jan. 9, 2009 9:58 p.m.

    Striking, modest edifice. Just wish it was in more modest location. With the surrounding mansions, I can see why some feel it gives an appearance of materialism.

  • Will
    Jan. 9, 2009 10:09 p.m.

    Maybe this blog seems like an angry post to some of you folks out there, but it's quite mild in comparison to some of the other blogs on LDS on the internet. However, we have some pretty mouthy LDS members on here as well. I think everyone just needs to calm down.

  • Marge
    Jan. 9, 2009 10:22 p.m.

    Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,

    I would like to say to each one of you that I have thoroughly enjoyed the comments form both LDS and from non LDS. It really lets me know where we need to work hard as good LDS to help those who are less fortunate. We are such a blessed people and need to open our hearts to those who are angry and need our blessings. It would be nice if we LDS people could learn to try to hold our tongues and always keep a smile, with good behavior, and our composer while writing verses while blogging.

    Good day and goodnight. God bless us with patience.

  • K
    Jan. 9, 2009 10:44 p.m.

    The number of the temple refers to how many there actually are, not how it ranks among the others.

    The size and services/ammenities offered in the Temple are of great importance. For instance renting Temple items aren't available. If you traveled a distance expecting to be able to purchase something to eat while you are there, you are going to be disappointed. I would think Temples built in different locations would vary in size based on the population.

    I'm Catholic and it makes perfect sense to me why those points were made in the article.

    Another building for practicing one's faith is a good thing.

    I am no where near an Open House of a new LDS Temple. I wonder how long your open houses are? I know you want to use the facility but a bit of time to allow those normally not permitted would be nice.

    Sincere question. What happens at a wedding where your sister is getting married and you come and your kids can't go in? I've seen the wedding shots of the family outside the building and they often include pictures of kids, but they aren't old enough to go inside?

  • Re: K
    Jan. 9, 2009 11:31 p.m.

    When my sister-in-law and her husband were married in the temple, my wife and I went in and our kids stayed with my sister (who was a teenager) during the ceremony. Temple ceremonies are not very long. The kids waited in the waiting area and were able to be part of the photos.

    As for your question on Open Houses - usually 3 or 4 weeks as I recall before the temple is dedicated.

  • Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:54 a.m.

    I would feel better if i saw the LDS church building some shelters for the homeless or opening up soup kitchens or having medical clinics for those who've lost jobs like some other churches do. Yeah, the LDS church says they contribute a lot to charity, but compared to how much they take in, it is nothing. We wouldn't need as many missionaries if we were more engaged to doing good to all mankind, not just members. Sorry, just don't have the same feeling since i saw the Prop 8 campaign was waged with lies, distortions and fear mongering.

  • Re: Still a Member
    Jan. 10, 2009 1:39 a.m.

    The LDS Church is a MAJOR supporter of the St Vincent de Paul soup kitchen in downtown Salt Lake. The church also makes MAJOR contributions to the homeless shelters in the city and state. Sounds like you need to follow the news more, and complain less. And the missionary program is designed to help all mankind, not just members!

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 1:51 a.m.

    I would not enter the temple because it means nothing to me. I do not cannot will not accept Mormonism. Going there would be depressing for me and I do not want to be depressed.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:09 a.m.

    I would like to respond to Still a member. The LDS are always the First to respond to any Emergency. They give far more in charity then any other Church. No other then God himself condemed Homosexuality. All Great Civilizations were distroyed by immorality and sin.
    Greece and Rome come to mind. Will we be Next?

  • Dan
    Jan. 10, 2009 3:06 a.m.

    I feel bad about the comment I wrote and would like to repent...I really just wanted to say that the draper temple is so Glorious and cant wait to tour it..I live in Logan and have the privelge of having a temple here..I moved form Twin Falls Idaho and they just recently dedicated that one and I had the oppurtunity to attend the open house... AWesome the spirit is so strong...those who are negative...I challenge you to attend the open house..I challege you my friends...I love you all...haters or not...GOD bless..."Forgive me for I am a Sinner"

  • Ing
    Jan. 10, 2009 3:47 a.m.

    I dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised if the LDS church does a lot more in-the-trenches work than most of us realize.

  • Not from around here
    Jan. 10, 2009 3:47 a.m.

    I saw a couple of comments made about location and traffic and it made me sad. I went inactive when I lived in Salt Lake and never gave myself the chance to be grateful for the number of temples there were. Now I have to drive 2 hours to get to the closest temple and before it was built had to drive 5 hours. Be grateful for the blessing of having so many temples available to you and stop whining about traffic patterns.

  • Jan from South Africa
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:25 a.m.

    As the scriptures say " there must needs be opposition in all things" Let the demons rage. Until the light of truth strikes these comments will be made. I have been a member since 1956 and rejoiced when a temple was built in Johannesburg. Controversy also raged in the area but is now a well known landmark in the ciry. Rage on Toper and cohorts your day of reckoning will come. The gospel is on the earth and will endure no matter what you say. I as an individual when I read these things am reminded of the words of the Saviour when He hung on the Cross. Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing

  • Robert - St. George
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:37 a.m.

    I welcome another Mormon Temple to Utah, to anywhere. I am not LDS. I am originally from Arizona. I have always loved the Mormon Temple in Mesa. I just wished the city would improve the area around it. I am excited to know the Mormons are building other temples in Arizona. They will improve Phoenix and Gilbert. I too don't understand the negative talk about Mormons. I have always found them to be wonderful friends and neighbors. And now living in ST. George I am surrounded by them and love it.

  • Leone K. Hatch
    Jan. 10, 2009 5:22 a.m.

    Another awesome House of the Lord and beautiful tribute to our Father in heaven and His son Jesus Christ. I appreciate their love for all of us, their children on earth, for restoring the Gospel of Jesus Christ and in building temples that we may be families together forever. I love them for their love and for caring about us so much.

  • jw
    Jan. 10, 2009 5:50 a.m.

    Still a member;;;
    Really? I know of no other church that contributes more to the wellbeing of others and especially non members than the LDS church. Why are you making this a $$ issue? The church looks after the spiritual well being of people as well as the temporal. When was the last time you checked the church news or the Ensign and saw how much humanitarian aid the church does? Or doesn't fresh water, education, glasses, wheelchairs, homes, immediate disaster aid, etc count? As for your last comment. Goodness. Take a closer look at what happened before and esp. after the vote and i think you can see who were out of line. I don't believe there was any lies, or distortions, but if there were, does it compare the the violence, destruction, and vandilism that took place by those you apparently support?

  • Word up Jess
    Jan. 10, 2009 5:49 a.m.

    Amen to Jess's comment. N'uf said. Christ always did* have a way with words. *(does have)

  • Re: Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:00 a.m.

    Lies? Distortions? That you believe the church doesn't have shelters, food kitchens, or medical clinics for the needy is "the" distortion. You write as though you've seen the accounting ledgers, but I'll put it in simple terms for you: The LDS church has one of the LARGEST and most COMPREHENSIVE humaitarian aid programs in the ENTIRE world. They actually provide aid to foreign governments during disaters, war, and other crisis situations. Millions and millions of dollars in goods, time/service, and infrastructure improvement are spent freely by the LDS church on behalf of needy people across the world. But as you will unwittingly attest, they can't save everybody.

  • about: Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:06 a.m.

    remember: 5 were foolish, and 5 were wise.
    oh, and also remember: he never came back out and opened the door unto the 5 foolish

  • Member from FL.
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:12 a.m.

    All I can say is love it or leave. You will answer for your actions later. The Temple is the most sacred building ever built on the earth. Things you know nothing about should be kept to yourself. If you love God and his Son Jesus Christ you will keep your comments to yourself.
    Just remember we pay for every little thing we do here on earth and for every hurtful and hateful remark that we make.
    We will all be judged at a later date and that date is not far off so if I were a lot of you I would repent and ask for forgivness from the Lord so that you can stand before him and be humbled before him and be forgiven for your sins.

  • LDS Texan
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:18 a.m.

    It's a beautiful House of the Lord. I'm in Houston and grateful for our Temple.

  • Matthias H.
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:29 a.m.

    The cool art is, that we as members have financed the temple through our tithes and therefore it doesnt really matter what others think how that money is used but what we as members think.

    An quite honest, i would rather wear my old clothes, eat a little less fancy, skip vacation, dont have a brand new car, walk to work, even go without TV or even electricity for that matter. I think a temple of the lord is much more worth to a meber of the church then many conveniences of life and even most necessities.

    Greetings from Germany

  • DennyG
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:26 a.m.

    Many of you feel "obligated" to share with pride opening of this new temple.
    I'm sorry, it's design is a mess. It is a very ugly building.
    It's also 2 too many temples along the Wasatch Front. The other two are working at about 30% capacity as it is. This is a financial ruse to make the world think the church is actually growing.

  • Swamp Fox
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:36 a.m.

    The church actually does more charity work than most even begin to know about. They use items stored at distributed storehouses which is collected during times of calamity and is usually first at the scene of any tragedy (hurricane, flood, earthquake, famine, etc). It is done as it should be, with quiet dignity and without bragging or press releases.

    This is also used on a daily basis to feed those who have lost their jobs or are otherwise in need. Dr. Laura and others have done reports on the quality and efficiency of this process. The church doesn't do what other churches do because they are already doing it. They are filling another need behind the scenes and without much credit (obviously).

  • Departed?
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:58 a.m.

    Departed from the Church Joseph set up? I think not. Both Joseph Smith and Thomas Monson are working together on the same project. Building the kingdom of God on the earth. We need to be involved in the same work. Much of that work is done in the temples. This Draper Temple will greatly advance the work Joseph still wants to go forward. If you've left the church, then leave. If you still need to be here, then welcome back. We miss you. BE NICE OR BE GONE!

  • since
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:08 a.m.

    Since this is "news" in the utah section of the forum I will respond. I do not respond as a Christian to the things in the Mormon news section as it is none of my business to comment there.

    Mormon temples look like Stalin-styled buildings. Monoliths, not uplifting architecture. They look like fortresses. The first time I saw the one in Boise I thought it was part of a theme park.

    Really. It must be function because it sure isn't pretty. No glass, no curves, etc. Architecturally, Stalinesque.

    Step back now, and look. Not with the eyes of believers, but as a human coming across the building. Looks like something out of Prince Valiant.

    As to why people should come and see, etc., there is a primary difference in visiting Christian churches and Mormon temples. You can only visit the temples when they are not consecrated, dedicated, and not during "business." In Christian churches the services are open to everyone, sinners if you wish. Thus the two choices are not equal. In one you get what the public relations dept. wants, in the other you get to see if as it operates, weddings, funerals, etc.

    Fundamental, critical, significant difference.

  • AZ Reader
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:11 a.m.

    re: Z | 9:39 p.m. Jan. 9, 2009

    Thanks so much for sharing Elder Maxwell's quote. From that I was able to find the talk on LDS.org ("Becometh as a Child"). That alone made the effort to read through these comments (even the negative ones) worthwhile.

  • RE: Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:29 a.m.

    the church contributes a great deal to with homeless and those who have lost jobs. There are employment centers all over the world to help people get basic training and find jobs. As for soup kitchens, anyone can get any amount of food that they stand in need of by talking with their local bishop. So not just a single lunch or dinner but a two weeks supply of food if they are going hungry. And for medical clinics the church is constantly donating money to provide medical care around the world. They donate $3 million just for measles and since then have continued to donate to help with medical problems all over the world and donated more large sums in 2005 and 2006 to help vaccinate the Ivory Coast, Kenya, Mozambique, Nigeria, and Tanzania. All those things you mentioned are currently being donated to in great numbers via monetary funds and/or volunteer hours, locally and all over the world.

  • Eddie
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:38 a.m.

    It's been fun reading the "Good, Bad and the Ugly."

  • I'm smarter than everyone else
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:46 a.m.

    I think I'm smarter than everyone else including leaders of the church. I know better how they should spend their money and build their buildings. I certainly know better than they do about how to defend the family. Because everyone knows its better to not hurt the feelings of deviants than to uphold the right of children to have a mother and father.

    Just kidding. I love temples. They constitute the final and full fulfillment of the covenant with Abraham made 5000 years ago. It is a blessing to live in a time when the Lord's long promised blessings are being fulfilled. There is no better blessing offered than the blessings and protection of temple covenants. They're even better than the benefits of soup kitchens.

  • EN
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:49 a.m.

    Ya I enjoyed making the stain glass windows with Tom Holdman, mainly because they were easier then Rexbourg, lol, but i stilled enjoyed building windows for rexbourg

  • Saul's vs Paul's
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:05 a.m.

    Once, the Apostle Peter questioned the wisdom of Jesus when the Savior allowed a woman to bathe his feet in her tears and then anoint them with expensive oil. He thought greater good would have come from selling the oil and giving to the poor. He said, "To what PURPOSE is this WASTE." Christ then proceeded to teach him that you will always have the poor with you but only for a short time will they be with Him. The woman, in fact, "hath wrought a good work upon me" Jesus declared.

    Many can't see the purpose of the temple but we know it to be a house of the Lord where we draw nearer to him. Others may think the money would be better spent elsewhere but we know that good works are wrought in the temple.

    Also, if you are curious about why we must pay for or rent clothing or "god won't listen to us", read about the ceremonial clothing made for the tabernacle of Moses's time. The priest had to wear some specific clothing to approach the Lord in the Holy of Holies or to offer any sacrifice. Pray always. In the temple, observe the ceremony.

  • to Catholic
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:15 a.m.

    Thanks for your comment! I think you are spot on. I am active LDS living in Arizona, but I lived in Provo and Salt Lake both. I actually chose my apartment in SLC one block south of the cathedral because I loved the sound of the bells. I've been to mass, to amazing concerts there, and I was delighted to tour it when there was restoration work being done in the early 90's. I remember gathering with some friends who taught at the MTC with me adn driving up to see the restoration work - I knew one of them would love climbing up the scaffolding and seeing things up close. I hope you will likewise enjoy visiting our temple and that you will feel the friendship I have always felt at the catheral.

  • Kitchy
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:27 a.m.

    You both are wrong, don't quote scriptures if you don't know them:
    Matt. 7: 6
    6 aGive not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
    3 Ne. 14: 6
    6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
    D&C 41: 6
    6 For it is not meet that the things which belong to the children of the kingdom should be given to them that are not worthy, or to dogs, or the pearls to be cast before swine

  • duachais
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:32 a.m.

    When the temple in Portland, OR was built there was a great deal of angst over parking and whether the neighborhood would be able to handle a building of that size, etc. Instead it has become a beautiful landmark in the city. The neighborhood is amazing, and has become a wonderful place to live and work. Yet the temple site remains one of the most peaceful and lovely, with those who are not Mormon coming to enjoy the landscape and spirit of the area. We are looking forward to getting a temple where I live now, Philadelphia, and I look forward to what this blessing will do for the area that has been selected for the temple. The temple is for all who are members and non-members, it is our choice whether to enjoy the benefits.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:35 a.m.

    I have read all the comments and am saddend by what I have read. The Temple is wonderful place to go to get away from all this negativity. It is our choice to be a part of it or not. I have not been a member all my life so I know both sides. I would always choose to partake of something that has made me a better person and brought my family closer together over all the horrific goings on in this world. But it is my choice and only my choice. That is the beauty of it. I will travel to see this new beautiful place that will be home to so many faithful saints in Draper.

  • Ticky Tacky
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:41 a.m.

    All of the temples built since the 1970s have either looked like World Fair pavilions or Soviet era monuments. They all seem to be from the same cookie-cutter mold. Enough of the same! Its hard for me to get excited when they have become so commonplace. The earlier comment about the fiberglass Moroni statues on top of them all is right on.

  • To: Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:42 a.m.

    If you put your efforts into finding out about all the humanitarian aid the church gives you would feel differently. Also you could join "Mormon Hands" a volunteer group that goes to areas that need help and gives of their time to help those in need. My son this last summer went to Peru with AYS. They with 23 other teenagers worked to rebuild an orphanage. Roof, septic tank and cement sidewalks. The church gives help to all in need. It isn't just for our church members, but those of all faiths. So before you are quick to judge, put on a pair of old jeans and get a shovel and HELP!

  • ME
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:44 a.m.

    Three of the most sacred experiences I have ever had have taken place in the temple. These are feelings that cannot be replicated or conjured from my mind. I've asked for repeats and the memory grows brighter. They are not the imaginations of my mind, but truly beautiful and impressive experiences when the Lord has manifested to me that what is done in the temple is true, eternal, and of Him. Thank you Father for thy temples.

  • So Formulaic
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:46 a.m.

    Is it just me, or does this monstrosity look like the Idaho Falls temple sitting on top of the Mesa temple? Aren't there ANY Mormon architects who can design something new?

  • LeeLee
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    WOW! I didn't realize hate was so strong in Utah!
    We've been warned that "in the last days" Utah would become a hated,corrupt and evil place. Are there more non members and apostates in Utah now?
    Brothers and Sisters in the Gospel....you are wasting your time argueing with these non believers! You are only feeding into their evil designs.
    Please remain focused!
    Prophecy is only being fulfilled.

  • Jean Luc
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:50 a.m.

    Paris would not be the same without Notre-Dame, London without Westminster abbey and St Paul cathedral, Vaticano without Saint Peter, Rome without the Latran, Moscow without St Basil, Istambul without St Sophia and the Meteora without the Orthodox monastery of Rousanou, Tibet without it's Deprung monatery, Bangkok without the Choti-Naram, The Golden Pavilion (Kinkakuji) in Kyoto and Salt lake without it's Mormon temple...

    Gifts of time, talent and money--among others things--by beleivers as act of faith and devotion to God. A testament of what they perceived as being essential to good living, a needed part of human inner growth.

    I so glad that Draper has joined the great historic community of temple builders. God bless them and all those that comes within.

  • Pauline
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:53 a.m.

    Re: Still a member,
    I agree with you. You made an excellent comment.

  • To Catholic
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:59 a.m.

    Thank you. I have visited the Cathedral in Salt Lake City, and it is a beautiful building with a peaceful feeling inside. I have attended meetings with friends in other faiths and have appreciated the different styles of buildings, but always the same friendly loving greeting from the members of those faiths.

    As a European who emigrated to the US I had many occasions to visit some beautiful Cathedrals in England, France, Germany etc., and loved the architecture, the art contained inside, the reverence displayed, and would always reflect on the hundreds of years of faithful worship by so many thousands of people. I attended christenings, weddings and funerals of family and friends in many Churches, and always respected that I was in a place sacred to those of different religions to mine.

    I hope that if you attend an open house of a temple, you will also appreciate the beauty, the workmanship, and that others less tolerant or understanding as you, will see it is a place for people to practice their faith, as they believe, just as it would be for those of any other religion to practice in their buildings.

  • arizona native
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    I can't understand all of the negitivity towards the church in Utah. If some people aren't happy with the state they should move and live somewhere else or learn to live in peace with everyone. Aren't we all striving to live in a more peaceful world? Hasn't Christ said to love thy neighbor as thyself? If anyone is truly a Christian believer then you shouldn't be acting this way!

  • VBC in Draper
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:06 a.m.

    The Savior said "Love one another" What simple but meaningful counsel whether you are a believer in Christ or not. There is good in all people. We all need to do away with mean spirited ways of any kind. Ignore those that say such things. Do not allow it to cause you to lash out, we know better than that. We need to put our arm around all people. The Temple is a place of love for all, it's the Lords house and he welcomes ALL to come and visit.

  • J
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:13 a.m.

    I would love to be able to go to this open house. Although I will be able to attend the temple when I do come to Utah, an open house is also wonderful. The Lord will continue to bless the faithful. And he continues to love the unfaithful.

  • Question
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:12 a.m.

    Are all Mormons as naive as the ones who are posting here?

  • ds
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:22 a.m.

    I've lived in Utah for several years and understand the hostility. I've been told that if I'm not LDS that I shouldn't live here, that I shouldn't drink coffee or wine, had people simply turn away from me when they found out that I wasn't LDS.

    The response to these is 'people are not perfect but the church is'. But every person is a missionary and if a person treats me badly w/r to religion then I assume that represents the church's mission.

    I know lots of wonderful people that are LDS. There are also lots of wonderful people in Utah that are not LDS. It's unfortunate that one negative comment harms the opinion of the whole group but that's human nature.

  • Not Surprised
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:25 a.m.

    Re: Please Explain

    There have been temples and work done in them from the times of Christ and by those who belonged to the Church of Christ so if this is not that very same Church and Gospel restored in latter days as members believe it to be, please point us all in the direction of that Church that exists today that does have the same temples that do the same work as in the time of Chirst. Oh and that Church must also have a Prophet and 12 Apostles just as in the time of Christ. For the Anti's and their negative sentiments that they post, please don't be so jaded from whatever experience you've had with whichever members you've had them with. The members are not perfect but the Church itself IS and trust me that the sooner you figure that out and stop speaking evil of it, the better it will be for everyone involved and especially for you.

  • Mona
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    As I have traveled to some of the great cities of the world, I have enjoyed visiting places of worship, most of which belong to other faiths (I'm LDS). How great it is to be in places such as Cologne Cathedral, Umayyad Mosque, etc. and experience the devotion of people who believe differently from me.

    I hope that even those who have made caustic comments on this board will visit the new temple during the open house, and instead of 'throwing darts' will be glad that there are beautiful places of worship that inspire people to be better, even if those people believe differently from themselves.

  • Re: Still a Member
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    You know, unlike the charity orgs. like Red Cross, the Church gives 100% of its money to charity. Other charity orgs. pay for the transportation, the staff salaries, and a bunch of other nonsense before giving it to those in need. So really, you are paying someone else to give them your money.

  • Yes and No
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:30 a.m.

    Beautiful building...yes
    Should be respected ...yes
    Uplifting to LDS...Yes
    Copy of what Jesus did when he was on the earth...I don't think so.
    HE spent His time with the poor, the afflicted, healing and teaching...not building multi-million $ temples all over the place.

  • Ruel
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:31 a.m.

    People tend to be down on what they are not up on.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:34 a.m.

    There are countless architectural wonders by the earlier mormons, but somehwere along the line quantity usurped quality. I can't think of an LDS structure in recent past that has an original timeless look. All wardhouses have the same vibe as a Walmart- bigbox construction and a sea of asphalt. All recent temples look the same to me (howevr this one has more of a Stalinist/prison vibe than most.) The church has an endless cash supply, why not really build something beautiful for the Lords house? He already has one like the Draper temple. We know you can do it- Salt Lake, Logan, San Diego are proof.

  • NSS
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:37 a.m.

    Thanks you Des-News for letting outsiders comment on this post, I enjoy reading the different opinions of others on here. It's not just one sided LDS, and that makes it more interesting. I like knowing what others are thinking about us, it toughens us up just a bit to know.

    I'm not sure yet that we will have a chance to view the open house on the new temple, but we certainly hope to do so.

  • Seminary Teacher
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:42 a.m.

    We live 6 hrs from the Salt Lake Valley and can hardly wait to bring a car-full of youth to go through the temple. These kids are clean and pure and strive to live God's commandments and are anxious to do temple work for our kindred dead and all others. There is such a feeling of peace and joy in the temple that can not be achieved outside the temple. I am very thankful for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a place where we can come closer to diety.
    We would gladly drive 12 hours to visit the temple. I would hope more youth could become worthy to attend the temple and strive for high and noble things. Yes, you have to be worthy and have a recommendation to attend the temple, other than the openhouse.
    I see a major difference in the youth who hold on to those values as opposed to those who give in to their physical appetites. They are truly the youth who will be our righteous leaders of tomorrow.

  • Re: Re: Still a Member |
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:51 a.m.

    NONSENSE RE: "the Church gives 100% of its money to charity. Other charity orgs. pay for the transportation, the staff salaries, and a bunch of other nonsense before giving it to those in need."

    And just who do you suppose pays the salaries of the General Authorities? (Yes, Virginia, they ARE paid, unlike bishops and stake presidents.)

    Who pays all their travel and administrative expenses? Who pays for the flowers and the pretty lights on Temple Square?

    The LDS church is no different from other charitable organizations when it comes to expenses.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:58 a.m.

    I am thrilled with the completion of another beautiful LDS Temple. These sacred buildings are a great blessing to all who enter. Thanks to all who make such blessings possible.

  • @who knew
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:59 a.m.

    Mormons believe that God listens to everyone no matter how they're dressed, or where they are.

    We also believe that not everyone listens to God and that those who do - mormons included, don't listen often enough.

    Special clothes and special buildings help us focus our attention on the divine. It's TOTALLY worth the trouble.

  • Want to attend
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:12 a.m.

    The temples have always intrigued me, tho I honestly do not conceive the necessity.

    Will they show any of the Masonic rituals?

    Why are the temple marriages so restrictive on who can attend? It seems to be anti-family to not allow non-member family and friends to attend.

  • re; savant
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:18 a.m.

    the temple rituals are masonic rituals, that is where Joseph Smith got them.

  • kathyn
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:33 a.m.

    I am so grateful for the new temples in the valley. I am sure they will be a great blessing to us. Our family was privileged to be able to contribute to the building of the Jordan River Temple. It wasn't very much, just what each family was asked to donate. But it has always been my favorite temple and I am grateful that I was able to help with it.

    Each month I contribute a little to the Temple fund with my other donations. This is the Lord's work and it's a privilege to be a part of it.

    The beauty of the temples is found in the work, not the edifice. The temples have a beautiful simplicity to them. To me, each one is glorious for the feelings I get when I am in them.

    This is not naivete. I have studied things in my own mind and heart for years. I have questioned many things and have found the truth for myself.

  • JJ
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:32 a.m.

    I'm sure it is a beautiful building inside. I prefer to get my beauty from nature, you know, the places that God created, not man. Places like the red rock desert, etc. The places that the republicans all want to destroy and exploit for money, and whom all the mormons in Utah support. So you want to destroy God's beauty while simultaneously reveling in man's beauty. Think about it for a second.

  • re: freethinker
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:36 a.m.

    I don't see how you think the Church is different unless you are looking at things such as its growth. The Prophet Joseph Smith said it would fill the world. That doesn't mean everybody will join it, but that it will be a world wide Church, and that it will have millions join it.

  • Glenn
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:43 a.m.

    Joseph Smith worship is truly a disturbimg item for Christians. Christians only want to help mormons and we hold our hand out to you in friendship and hope that you see were you have been led astray.

  • John
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:50 a.m.

    Anti-Mormon literature and comments is the work of satan to try to slow down the building up of the Kingdom of God. I pray for those who mock The Church of Jesus Christ for they mock GOD!

  • Shangri-la in Utah?
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    People living in Pittsburgh have to drive 4-5 hrs to the Washington D.C. temple. Were there long waits at the Jordan Temple/Salt Lake Temples? Seems like there are many areas in the world/country where members have to drive extraordinary distances to attend a temple.

  • Where Have You Been?
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    God is dead. It was on the cover of Time magazine back in the 1960s. Mocking "God" is no different than mocking Hercules, Zeus or Apollo. Or a fence post for that matter.

  • Where's Johnny?
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:57 a.m.

    Where is that gas bag John Pack Lambert? Why haven't we heard him pontificate and share his delusions of grandeur with us on this matter?

  • Ray
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    Re: Savant said, "Temple rituals are Masonic rituals, that is where Joseph Smith got them."

    Well, sort of. The Masons got them from Kabala (sp?) - go check it out and you'll find it all over the internet with tons of sources.

    Kabala is a branch of the Judaism, which continued the temple rituals through the ages.

    This is pretty simple stuff.

  • Alma
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:58 a.m.

    How interesting it is to see how Joseph Smith, a successful religious entrprenure, with a few elite conspiritors build a religios ruling class that continues on into today's modern times still duping more followes into subjugation and exploitation. We need to look for God in ourselves; not in the suduction of the ruling class.

  • Oh, John
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:03 a.m.

    You are ANTI human. So quit griping! I mock your stupidly and not the church itself.

  • Ignorance is bliss
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:12 a.m.

    I invite you all on both sides of the argument to go to the Church's website and divide the total amount spent on humanitarian aid over the last 22 years by the number of church members. The amount per member per year is shockinging low.

  • RE: Want to attend
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:13 a.m.

    To those who like assert that Joseph Smith "stole" the temple ceremonies from the Masons, I would ask whether you are qualified to make such a claim. It seems to me that the only people who can legitimately make such a claim would be those who are very familiar with both LDS temple ceremonies and masonic rituals. I'm LDS, but I am not a Mason, so I can't say for sure how similar temple rituals are to masonic rituals.

    For more information regarding the supposed connection between LDS temples and Masonry, Jeff Lindsay has an excellent article on his website under his FAQ section. The article does not show any disrespect to LDS ceremonies. Among many other sources, the article references current LDS members who are also Masons. The article also references early members of the church who were Masons, who later turned against the church.

    A warning: Jeff Lindsay is LDS, so if you are inclined to disbelieve anything ever said, written or implied by a Mormon, don't bother looking at his site - you are already happy with your beliefs and any evidence that might contradict what you "know" to be true would probably just make you unhappy.

  • Comrade Dissident
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:15 a.m.

    Whatever it is, that is one UGLY building. Looks like Lenin's tomb with a plastic Moroni on top. Seriously, did they hire unemployed ex-Soviet architects? That ugly thing belongs in in Moscow.

  • John
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    I CAN SEE IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

  • RE: ALMA
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:18 a.m.

    Just because you are an APOSTATE Mormon doesn't make you an expert on how to treat or judge others, or whatever they may believe in. I think you need to do some repenting and some deep soul searching. I'm sure your slate has dirt all over it.

  • Blake
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:22 a.m.

    You would think that prophecies being fullfilled would send the message to one and all. Oh well, you guys are so anti and full of hate that you cannot even get over yourself to realize this if the One true and living church. Nice try anti's but you better get you facts straight and know a little bit about Jesus Christ before you attempt to tear down his Church. Your efforts are for not as even you recognize the growth of the church.

  • Still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:21 a.m.

    I would love to answer the comments to my original post, but the DN will not let my posts through. My comments are not obscene, vulgar, off-topic, or misrepresentative. Why am I not allowed to answer your responses and participate in the discussion?

  • RE: Ignorance is bliss
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:32 a.m.

    Why don't you just tell us what the average amount per member is? Is it because you don't know? Is it because you never actually went to the Church's website, got the necessary information, and calculated it? If you didn't, you are a liar. If you did, then congratulations on wasting your time trying to prove that Mormons aren't donating enough, and then not actually giving any concrete results to show for it.

    Maybe you could tell us how much you have donated on average over the last 22 years.

    Maybe if you did tell us, we wouldn't care anyway. Some of us like to keep our nose out of other people's business.

  • Re- John
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:35 a.m.

    Toughen up! The ignorance you see is your own.

  • Marcus Hansen
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:37 a.m.

    Joseph Smith worship does not constitute Christianity. When will you ever get that?

  • Re: Alma
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:49 a.m.

    You are one twisted feller.

  • My $.02
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:57 a.m.

    Still a member - I agree very much with you, and I believe you are sincere in your comments. I am also a member, but find myself becoming disaffected with the church.

    To church members - please try to be a little less reactionary. I am not an 'anti.' Satan does not 'rage in my heart.' If you judge me to be 'swine', well, good for you. I love the teachings of Jesus and desire to do good.

    I have tried to make comments on this forum as well that have not been allowed to post, and so I may be typing in vain.

    I have never been comfortable in the temple. I am happy for you that have wonderful spiritual experiences there, but that has never been the case for me. The rituals and watching the same film over and over and over again just is not uplifting and I find it to be a frivolous exercise. I am sorry if this offends, but I am just trying to be honest.

    I feel the spirit much more strongly when I am simply (of my own volition) helping a friend in need.

  • Positive Thinker
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:55 a.m.

    It amazes me how anti Mormons go out of their way to attack our church. I thought the purpose of belonging to a church was to work to be a better person. As a Christian, isn't it your goal to love everyone, even if you don't agree with them? Why go out of your way to attack my beliefs? I don't attack yours. As for baptisms for the dead - IF our church isn't true, what difference does it make?

  • Heath
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    Light noise, car noise, car traffic, foot traffic. It is a bad location with inadequate public infrastructure and purely a choice to project power strength and growth. It is clear the LDS Church is no more environmentally friendly then the developers who chose to take away some of the last open space in the slc valley. It is a little sad.

  • Bill
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:59 a.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not worship any of its prior Presidents or the current President of the Church. In every thing we do is in reverence to the Lord Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father. The Book of Mormon another testament of Jesus Christ testifies along with the Bible the divinity of Jesus Christ and his mission here on earth.

    Temples are where spiritual healing, learning and life saving ordinances take place. They are beautiful to the eye. THe Church reaches out to others all around the world. We were the first ones to assist with the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast after Katrina. We were the first with aid and assistance to the Tsuami affected countries. We have assist in riding Africa of a measles epidemic. We are working consistantly in trying to solve the poverty of Africa through constant aid. You don't see us jumping up and down telling the world what we are doing because it is nobody's business. We assist our own who are homeless and in need every time it comes up.

    The Bible says you will know them by their works. Look at the Church as a whole.

  • BJ
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:19 p.m.

    To "Z" Thank you for the excellent quote from Brother Maxwell. I would appreciate the reference for that quote.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:21 p.m.

    LDS worship Jesus the Christ, and God the Eternal Father. We revere Joseph Smith, Jr. for the wonderful restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it was established by Jesus Christ and the original Twelve Apostles. ( Orthodox Christians follow the teachings of a committee organized by a non-Christian (Constantine) who just wanted to end the squabbles over the various church leaders in the 4th century AD.)

    We revere Joseph Smith as a true prophet, not as a god. There is a huge difference. It is not worship. We do not pray to him, nor Mary. We pray to our Father in Heaven, through his anointed Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is our Intercessor with the Father. And I'm grateful every day of my life for the Atonement. I'm grateful for the added blessings of the Temple.

  • Tim
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:23 p.m.

    I want to know more about the rituals? If they are masonic rituals, and everyone who is knows of them, ...then what's the big secret?

  • Jett
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:24 p.m.

    Anonymous, thank you for your last comment. We welcome you to tour "our" beautiful temple.

  • Pete
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    Re:: Anonymous 12:21, I bet you are one LDS who treats everyone with courtesy and kindness rather active or a non member-right? That is the most important part of Mormonism is how we live our lives and treat other human beings no matter who they are, right?

  • Been There Done That
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:29 p.m.

    I've been through the temple and frankly thought it was just plain weird. It was NOT a spiritual experience for me. Too many oaths and covenants that were downright freaky (although I have been told they have been discontinued). If I want ritual, I will visit a Catholic church. If I want spirituality, I will meditate and pray by myself in the woods.

  • Re: Anonymous | 12:21
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:30 p.m.

    By your own teachings Joseph Smith is now a god. So hmmm where would the allegiance lay? From many perspectives worshiping Joseph Smith would be more correct.

  • Pete
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:41 p.m.

    I meant to say inactive members included. Sometimes they get pounced upon by active member who think they and their non-member friends are all a bunch of heathens.

  • Mickey
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    Are masons allowed to enter LDS Temples for worship?

  • JJ
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:42 p.m.

    I ocassionally look at a few comments on news articles. Those concerning the LDS Church seem to draw them most, negative and positive. What is amazing is that people have time to waste on things they don't like. Like the "full-time" texters, why not use the minutes that turn into hours to study, read something worthwhile, do service in your communities or learn to play an instrument? Anything but the continual harping and back-biting on something you are not interested in.

  • Temple blessings ...
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    I look forward to traveling to Utah and visit the temple.

  • JJ
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    PS: I don't know if the Angel Moroni is of fiberglass, but wouldn't it provide a pletheria of comments if it was real gold? The naysayers would really have a "cause to sponsor".

  • Tony
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. God is love. He is full of peace, kindness, joy, and happiness. Christ is the Savior of ALL mankind. "For God so loved the world that he gave his Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

  • Adam Vance
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:45 p.m.

    What a beautiful temple. To all the naysayers, does not any edifice which is dedicated to the Almighty, be it a Catholic Cathedral, a Jewish Synagog or a Latter-Day Temple deserve our praise? Of course it does for it raises our eyes to something bigger and mighter than us that deserves our praise. Praise to our Savior and our King!

  • Re:Re: still a member
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:46 p.m.

    It took me a matter of seconds to look up the facts from the church website. A little over $1 billion in cash and value of goods donated between 1985 and 2007. USA church membership is 5-6 million. Comes out to $10/member/year.
    Will you publish my comment this time? I've posted this information at least 3 times.

  • Families can be forever
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:51 p.m.

    My family recently attended a temple. The temple experience is beautiful, bonding and uplifting.
    A very positive family experience.

  • Not Worthy
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:50 p.m.

    Draper City was to prominent and voted down a DI which would of helped countless people but immediately approved a Temple. I personally do not think they are worthy and think the church should have chosen a new location.

  • Get a grip!
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:49 p.m.

    Re JJ,
    Why would you think non-members and in-actrives would hang around for any other reason then just because in your own blindness, that just maybe they might just be interested? What is wrong with that? If these people are skeptical or course they aren't going to agree with everything you say. However, being NASTY with them will not bring them any closer.

  • Authority
    Jan. 10, 2009 12:59 p.m.

    "There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.

    "All other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who receives Baptism or the Lord's Supper from their hands will highly offend God; for He looks upon them as the most corrupt of all people. Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon." Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255.

  • Re: Authority
    Jan. 10, 2009 1:41 p.m.

    The authority claimed by the Mormon Church is through an "Aaronic Priesthood," which cannot be valid since Jesus abolished it, as He took its place (Hebrews 7:11-19, 8:6-13); and a "Melchizedek Priesthood" which never existed as any operative "priesthood." Jesus is our only High Priest. He alone holds this permanently and no one else! (Hebrews 7:15-28, 9:11-15).

  • Mace
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:16 p.m.

    Yay Mormons! They at least stand for decency when there is none in the world today! I think alot of the hate comes from people who are guilty of something and want to point the finger...again, Mormons stand for decency, common sense, and love...and that is refreshing for me, I don't see that anywhere else.

  • Lynda
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:32 p.m.

    Great blessings will come to you. I'm from New Mexico, a Lamanite, a Mormon.

  • SS
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:31 p.m.

    Who are the anti-Mormons and haters who post on here and why do they do it? Rather than critique and knock down Mormon doctrine (as if they know it better than actual Mormons), why don't spend more time talking about their own beliefs and try to uplift?

    If you don't want to go to the temple open house or church, or hear the missionaries, no one is forcing you to do any of these.

    Anyone can find fault and criticize. Why not find something you believe in and live it? I'd like to know what you are FOR, instead of what you are AGAINST.

  • To Alma
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:37 p.m.

    Most learned and thinking people will see the lodgic in your post; however, the people you are posting to are mostly mormons and their cult culture is not a society of free thinkers. They like a structured religion, it gives them comfort and security. Many of them realize it is a fraternity of myths, but just the same it is what they like and want, so you will do better addressing an intelectual congess rather than waste your time here.

  • To: Glenn
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:52 p.m.

    I am LDS (53 years now) and I have never worshipped, nor ever will worship Joseph Smith. I accept him as a prophet of God. To worship him would be totally against the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church). My worship is reserved 100% for God, my Heavenly Father, and his Son, Jesus Christ. Anyone who tells you that Mormons worship any Prophet, including the present day Prophet, are totally and completely wrong. Hope that helps you clarify your understanding of 'Mormons" and their belief.

    The first Article of Faith in our religion states "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."

  • Re; Re: Authority
    Jan. 10, 2009 2:55 p.m.

    Huh? "And he gave some apostles, prophets, etc. etc."

    Did these men not hold the priesthood?

    Either the Catholics have the priesthood, passed down from Christ, through Peter, through a succession of popes. Or, the Mormons have it - restored through Joseph Smith. Churches who broke off of Catholicism lost any claim to authority.

    Problem is, the gap between Peter and any recognized Catholic leader cannot be bridged.

    Since you, I, nor anyone posting on this board was actually there when Joseph Smith says he received the priesthood, arguing about it is worthless. Instead, study it out, research it, and pray for your own conclusion.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 3:44 p.m.

    Remember has it right. Gilwellbear, Twin Falls, Id

  • Rodent extermination
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    I am sniffing out a few polygies on here. The stinch of it all!

  • Scott in Texas
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:05 p.m.

    I am always glad to see another temple anywhere in the world. The powerful, peaceful Spirit of the Lord I feel whenever I enter a temple testifies to me that they are indeed holy places where God's work is performed. Our temple in Dallas is modest by comparison to some of the newer temples throughout the country, but the ornamentation and furnishings that differ from place to place never diminish the joy and peace I feel regardless of where I attend. To me, they are symbols of God's mercy to his children, giving us a chance to actively participate in bringing souls to Christ and giving those who believe in him a place to truly feel his presence. When my son died last year, one of the first things my wife and I did was go to the House of the Lord and pour out our souls to God for comfort and strength. He heard our prayer and has blessed us with peace and hope. The temple reminds me that my family truly is eternal even though my precious boy is no longer with us. God bless the people of Draper.

  • To SS 2:31
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:11 p.m.

    Thank you for asking, we are for the truth and for the struggle to over come fales phophest and teachings that exploite innocent people. Fales religion is a terrible thing, just remember the attackers of 9/11 were men of religion.

  • prophet
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    The reason that so many LDS prophecies come to fruition is because they are SELF-FULFILLING prphecies. For instance, they may say that in the latter-days, hate against the church will grow. The church will then do something, like campaign for prop 8 for example, that CAUSES people to hate them, then go back and say "see, our prophecy was right, that's proof we're the true church!" Um, not really

  • Seattleview
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    to MoJules:

    I understand that you like to be by yourself in a quiet neighborhood. still, most temple sites I have seen are not overly affected b y traffic.

    However, I bet you will enjoy the increased value of your home. Home values usually go up much more than other surrounding areas when temples are built.

    Maybe you can trade up to a bigger home in a quieter less, religious neighborhood.

  • JJ
    Jan. 10, 2009 4:39 p.m.

    I ask this in sincerity:
    What good does temple work do for mankind? If you go through a temple ceremony, how does hat make the world a better place? The reason I ask is that it makes sense to me that if we are going to be judged, that we're going to be judged based on how we live our lives, not on performing rituals or belonging to a particular church.

  • Jeff
    Jan. 10, 2009 5:30 p.m.

    End of days, end of days, tigers and bears to boot. Nice....

  • Sme
    Jan. 10, 2009 5:41 p.m.

    "Ye shall know them by their works": "As I have loved you, love one another." I have seen the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pay for rent or food for those of other faiths who had nothing; I saw two of its missionaries carry a wheel chair between two bicycles across miles of city streets for the disabled daughter of a family who had no way to get it; I am not surprised when I hear of my fellow members taking cool drinks out to bitter crowds protesting outside our temples or sacrificing money, time, or effort for perfect strangers. I have seen them care for the sick, comfort the dying, fight for their countries, give freely, expect no thanks or reward, and desire only to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and lift up the arms that hang down---so that we can be like our Master, Jesus the Christ. And be careful, "lest haply ye be found even to fight against God" (see Acts 5:34-39): for "with what judgement ye judge ye shall be judged, and with what measure ye mete it shall be meted unto you again."

  • LDS or Not
    Jan. 10, 2009 6:06 p.m.

    Whether you are LDS or not, you can look at the pictures of this building as being beautiful. If you look at it just as a building, you can still see its beauty, kind of like the Taj Mahal in India. I'm not Hindu, but I still think the Taj Mahal is beautiful!

    Just a little fact for you, when temples are built around the world, the value of the land/property in close proximity to that temple sky rockets! That land in Draper was quite cheap about 20 years ago. As soon as they announced the new temple being built, the value of that land tripled. Same thing happened in Newport Beach, Boston, and Gilbert, Arizona.

    Whether from a worldly or spiritual view, you can still appreciate the beauty of a temple, whether physical or spiritual beauty.

  • Bill
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:05 p.m.

    Authority: It seems funny when you say Jesus abolished the Aaronic Priesthood. In reading the Bible and especially those things about the Mosaic Law you will find that the Priesthood of Aaron was held by male members of the House of Levi. They were the ones who conducted the temple ordinances as well as baptized. Yes, baptism took place in the old Jewish Temples for the living. Thus the reason why Christ went in search of John the Baptist as he was the most righteous man holding that Priesthood.

    Also, Hebrews states of the Melchezidek Priesthood that Christ was a HIGH PRIEST after the order of Melchezidek. Therefore, this is no fictional priesthood and thus why the Melchezidek Priesthood is formally known as the Priesthood of God. On the mount of transfiguration and elsewhere Christ ordained Peter, James and John to this Priesthood. Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Enoch and others held this Priesthood. In fact it is written that Abraham paid tithes to Melchezidek. Fictional Priesthood, I don't think so. If the Book of Mormon is true, which I believe it is, then Joseph Smith is a prophet and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true.

  • Re: To SS 2:31
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:32 p.m.

    If you are against false religion, that's fine. But don't waste your time bashing the LDS church, then. It's not a false religion, nor does it have false prophets.

    But I do agree with you, 9/11 was an example of fanaticism and the blind following of either false teachings and/or misinterpretation of teachings.

    Bashing the LDS religion will not gain you a single convert. Rather, why not look into it and see if there is truth there. Don't take it from a high paid evangelist with a mega church who markets his hate-filled books and CD's. To him, the church is just a low overhead competitor. To him, if the church is true, he's out of a pretty cushy job with followers who will do whatever he tells them to do.

  • Dear MoJules,
    Jan. 10, 2009 7:40 p.m.

    I am sorry that you will be impacted by traffic - hopefully after the open house it will calm down! Even the traffic by one of the busiest temples (Provo) is never more than a trickle at a time -- I've never seen a "rush hour."
    May you be blessed with peace despite (or maybe it's because of) your location!

  • Kay J.
    Jan. 10, 2009 8:02 p.m.

    It amazes me on how much Narcissism there is within the LDS church. If you don't understand the word (NARCISSISTIC) which many of you probably have no clue to what the word means, then I would suggest to each of you to go look it up.

    I have visited some of the previous Temple with some of my inactive Mormon friends and I thought they were very nice but to expensive. i am a non member and always will be.

  • Anthonoia Beauchamp
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:26 p.m.

    I read on the LDS Church website in a Conference Report that the President and the Apostles of the LDS Church are "prophets, seers, and revelators."

    Can someone please show me their prophecies? Have any of their prophecies come true? Can someone show me where they have seen hidden things and revealed secrets that nobody could know without God's help?

    If they don't do these things, why do they call themselves prophets, seers, and revelators?

  • To: SS 7;32
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:30 p.m.

    Is it not funny in a strange way that that is what they all say.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:36 p.m.

    If temples are so important to the true Church of Jesus Christ, why didn't Jesus build temples? If the Mormon church is the Restored Church of Jesus Christ, why have they restored things that Jesus never taught and never did?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2009 9:38 p.m.

    To Bill,

    Where are you reading all that fiction? Dude, you have been fooled into believing in a whole fairy world that never existed!

  • Humbling
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:03 p.m.

    What a great day to be alive in the Salt Lake City area. Come one, come all. Come see a house of the Lord. Feel the light. Enjoy the peace. See what all the fuss is about. This is really a special day. Make it your special day.

    Of course not all are open minded enough and will not take this rare opportunity, but those who do and will come with a humble heart will enjoy it. I can promise you that. I can't wait. I love these places. I have never felt peace in New York City as I have in the LDS Temple there. You can feel it too right here in SLC. Truly magnificent. The choice is yours. You owe yourself this experience. Come. No one is compelled, but all are invited. Please come. "Peace be unto you."

  • Check out the video
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:21 p.m.

    When the Savior Jesus Christ walked the earth it was written that two disciples followed him:

    "Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
    He saith unto them, Come and see. " John 1:18-19

    Don't miss this awesome opportunity to "come and see" for yourself. You owe yourself that much. There are still a few tickets left. Peace!

  • John 1: 38-39
    Jan. 10, 2009 10:24 p.m.

    Actually John 1:38-39 is the scripture you meant.

  • Re: Kay J
    Jan. 10, 2009 11:40 p.m.

    Yes, Kay, most LDS know what narcissistic means.

    I think your point is the temples are nice, but too costly. I suppose that's debatable. Many say, "save the money and give it to the poor." Then what? Even Jesus said, "the poor ye will always have with you." As you probably know, money is not the cure for poverty. We do our best to help people both temporally and spiritually. I think Mormons get a bad rap in Utah because they are the majority. Out here in "the rest" of the USA, we're treated well and respected. My kids are about the only LDS kids in their schools. They have wonderful friends - we respect them, they respect us.

    You say you will never be a member of the Church. Many have said the same thing, then one day joined. The invitation is always there.

  • Re: 11:40
    Jan. 11, 2009 12:23 a.m.

    U said: You say you will never be a member of the Church. Many have said the same thing, then one day joined. The invitation is always there.

    Dear John,
    You are dreaming. And yes, too costly indeed.

  • Wake UP UTA
    Jan. 11, 2009 1:05 a.m.

    The only way I will get to the Draper temple is if there is a bus going there. I know that there are many others who are also thinking the same thing.

  • Re: Anonymous | 9:36 p.m
    Jan. 11, 2009 1:22 a.m.

    "If temples are so important to the true Church of Jesus Christ, why didn't Jesus build temples? If the Mormon church is the Restored Church of Jesus Christ, why have they restored things that Jesus never taught and never did?"

    Actually, it is written in the Bible and Book of Mormon that Jesus taught in the Temples. At the age of 12, Jesus was found at the temple, away from his parents, discussing doctrine and answering questions of the priests. In the Book of Mormon, Jesus made his first appearance to the American continent at the Temple in the land Bountiful.

    Jesus was very much a proponent of Temples. Another name for a temple is "The House of the Lord". Each temple has this inscription upon it. Soloman built a temple, Jesus taught in Temples and declared them as being holy.

    This new temple in Draper truly is the House of the Lord. You can see for yourself, or you can be stubborn, and make assumptions and judgments without pure knowledge, also known as ignorant assumptions. But, you have your free will to choose.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 11, 2009 7:37 a.m.

    To 9:36 p.m commentor,

    teaching in a Jewish temple is not the same thing as building temples. Jesus did not organize his 12 apostles and direct them to build ANY buildings, whether synagogues or temples or whatever. That doesn't fit with the Mormon claim. Mormons claim Joseph Smith restored Jesus' original true church. But there is no record of Jesus requiring tithing, raising money for building church buildings and temples, or any of the stuff Mormons do.

    My question still stands unanswered. If temples are so essential to "true" Christianity, why don't we see evidence of that in Jesus' life and ministry?

  • Hateless
    Jan. 11, 2009 8:45 a.m.

    Why all the hate?

  • Re: Anon 7:37 am
    Jan. 11, 2009 10:10 a.m.

    We have very little recorded of what Jesus did or didn't do, so you're right, we don't know if He did have any buildings built in his 3 year ministry in the Holy Land. But that doesn't mean He didn't think temples should be built.

    On the issue of tithing, that commandment has been around possibly forever. Certainly, the mention of it in Malachi was not an introduction, but a chastisement for not keeping this commandment. So it's clear it was around long before this revelation in the O.T.

    BTW, the church/Jesus does not "require" tithing - it is completely voluntary. And I am aware of many (in fact most) other churches who also have tithing, annual commitments, collection plates, etc.

    I think the evidence of temples in Jesus' life and ministry is everywhere. If you've ever been to the temple, the connection between His life and teachings and what is taught in the temple is undeniable. Did God not command temples to be built in the OT, BofM and other times? If then, why not now?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 11, 2009 10:25 a.m.

    To Re: Anonymous | 9:36 p.m

    Wow, a bit harsh don't you think? Someone asks some sincere questions and you accuse them of making "ignorant assumptions" and call them "stubborn"? Is that how you share the gospel?

  • Boring
    Jan. 11, 2009 10:35 a.m.

    I was going to write something on here but decided It's not necessary with all the hateful know it alls from both sides blabbing away.

  • A PROUD MORMON!
    Jan. 11, 2009 3:33 p.m.

    I can't wait for the new temple!!! I get to go see it in about a week! and to all of those who are leaving nasty comments i just want to say that that is so rude! you shouldn't say stuff like that! and if you don't like Mormons so much, why are you reading this article? But, i really hope that everybody (even non-mormons) goes to the open house of this temple! i bet that you will feel the spirit so strongly and you will not be able to turn away from the church because of the spirit.

  • The temples of the Bible
    Jan. 11, 2009 3:45 p.m.

    were little like the temples in the Mormon church. And further, they certainly didn't require a "recommend" to go inside. Sure, it's great they have "open houses", but it's not cool that they then close them except for people who "qualify"

  • I have had the "spirit"
    Jan. 11, 2009 3:55 p.m.

    that you speak of and it is nothing more than good feelings that you can get in a variety of areas. When a person finally decides to study the issues closely with another point of view other than your church's point of view...that's when you find the "truth".

  • Terry
    Jan. 11, 2009 4:26 p.m.

    I'm not LDS, but I'm going to see the temple next week. I think its pretty impressive and even if I'm not a member of the church I still want to see. I wonder if I'm in a minority.

  • shawilli
    Jan. 11, 2009 6:22 p.m.

    God Bless the members to hold their tounge and to simply turn the other cheek, as those not of our faith heap scorn and ridicule on us. the command of the Lord is clear to "love one another" and to pray for those who despitefully use us.I hope that the members will engage in being kind to others and to going about the work of the temple and to make sure that our actions as curch members will always speak louder than our words.The saying that talk is cheap is true, show others the joy and happiness that come from living the gospel by your very lives.I would counsel our members to stop this at once the making snide and stupid remarks in response to those who post negative comments. Stop it!!! bite your tounges and do what is right, love your enemies and go about your business and ignore the hate and ignorance of others, don't just talk about your religion...LIVE IT !!!

  • Paul in MD
    Jan. 11, 2009 6:51 p.m.

    To Since @7:08 1/10

    Yes, LDS temples are different than buildings used for Sunday worship services, whether LDS or "mainstream Christian" churches. What goes on in other churches, goes on in LDS chapels as well, and everyone is welcome to come and see for themselves, anytime the chapel is in use. Since we don't have paid clergy, no one lives at our chapels, so they are not open all the time.

    Many of the larger temples have visitor centers next door, so anyone who is curious can find out what goes on inside, and see pictures of the inside. Some things are not discussed outside the temple, because they are sacred. I've been attending the temple for 25 years, in and outside the US. There is not some great cover-up, some big PR white-wash. The general information is freely discussed.

    You seem to make a distinction between Christians and Mormons. If you'd take the time to find out what we really believe and what is truly important to us, you'd see the differences are far smaller than the similarities.

  • K
    Jan. 11, 2009 7:39 p.m.

    Why must any church be required to fullfill all the charitable spending or service required the help the poor? There are countless churches all doing charitable works. There are also government programs providing for the basics needs of their citizens in need of assistance.

    Churches spend a far greater percent of their revenues on humanitarian efforts than governments and corporations and are more efficient.

    One more church keeps another liquor store from going into business and keeps at least the membership occupied and less likely to get into michief. Two public goods.

    Also people who donate regularly tend to be better at handling other areas of their budget in normal times. Anyone can have trouble with an illness or job loss. But all in all if you can live on 90% you tend to also save as it's just as easy to live on 80%. More people disciplined is also a good. Church is good for people, buildings are necessary.

    God talked all over the old testament about buildings/how they are to be built and how he wants to be worshiped there. Jesus went to temple and other than the money changers and the hypocrites, didn't object to buildings.

  • Too Proud
    Jan. 11, 2009 8:41 p.m.

    RE: K

    It's called ATTENTION!!!

  • Temples
    Jan. 11, 2009 8:52 p.m.

    Actually if you read the Bible you will find that Christ did teach about tithes and offerings. The Old Testament is as relevant today as the New Testament. Many Christians fail to understand that what is written in the Old Testament is relevant and were taught by Christ. He did not abolish the Law of Moses but fulfilled it. The ten commandments were not abolished but made stronger.

    Temples are where sacred ordinances are done. The Lord's Church prospers because of the sacrifice of its members. Remember what is Ceasar's is Ceasar's but what is the Lord's is the Lord's. Think of the parable of the mother who gave all she had and how Christ said to his disciples her place is greater than those who give a little, because she gave all she had. Think of the rich man who asked about the kingdom of God and how Christ stated how difficult it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom. Christ told him to give all he had to the Church. The rich man declined.

    The priesthood of Aaron and the Melchezidek priesthood is taught exceptionally well in the Bible. You just need to read it.

  • Jeremy
    Jan. 11, 2009 9:12 p.m.

    ***I love to see the temple, I'm going there someday, to feel the Holy Spirit, to whisper and to pray***

  • lds architect
    Jan. 11, 2009 10:37 p.m.

    Unique design? What?! It looks like every other temple. This temple has a simlar massing and spatial composition as the Bountiful and Mt. Timpanogos (sp) Temples. It's just a little smaller. Personally, I would like to see LDS chapels and temples have more individual designs. The temple/chapels hardly recongize and respect their surroundings more than a few applied decorations. For example, this temple has the Sego Lilly and Wasatch Front applied to the building.

  • Cathy
    Jan. 11, 2009 10:43 p.m.

    I am from Tasmania .Our nearest Temple is in Melbourne 1 hour flying.We try to go every year and all our grandchildren have been to the Temple when they turn 12 years of age . It is very sad that people who know so little about the Temple and the true doctrine of Jesus christ say unkind things about it.I am a convert and feel so blessed to have the true gospel restored to the earth. What a wonderful life it is.

  • Re: Anonymous | 10:25 a.m.
    Jan. 12, 2009 12:21 a.m.

    If you were to make the assumptions I was talking about then that would classify you as ignorant, if you didn't experience it for yourself. Everyone has a choice to visit and check out what a temple is like. If you go in with a neutral heart, then you can get an honest and true opinion, whether you like them or not in the end, at least its an honest opinion.

    When someone jumps to conclusions before they experience the reality of something, then it is an ignorant assumption. That's just the name of it in the English language. If that offends you or seems harsh, "the guilty taketh the truth to be hard."

    My offer is test it out. Try it. What have you got to lose? You know they are not going to harm you, kill you, or ask for money. A temple walk through is harmless, it just takes a few minutes and a little walking. That's all. So, why not try it? See what all this discussion really is about. Until you try something for yourself, how can you be so sure of your opinion?

    That's a summary of what I meant.

  • Ned
    Jan. 12, 2009 8:52 a.m.

    Could the ANTI trolls please find another post. You are not welcome here.

    We can see the temple from our backyard.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 12, 2009 10:52 a.m.

    I think the new temple is beautiful. I spent a few hours there the other day, it was very peaceful and nice. I hope that everyone who visits will experience those feelings of comfort and security. The temple is a great blessing to Utah and to all those who will visit it.

  • SCJ
    Jan. 12, 2009 10:54 a.m.

    We attended the Jordan River Temple on Friday, man was it packed. It's wonderful that additional temples are being required. It shows that the work is progressing.

  • Paul in MD
    Jan. 12, 2009 11:02 a.m.

    To LDS architect @10:37 1/11

    I have seen some unique chapels in recent years. The Kentlands, Maryland chapel was built on land donated by the developer of the surrounding neighborhood. The donation allowed more funds to be used in construction that is typical - the church allocates a specific amount for each chapel, depending on the active membership in the area it will serve.

    The site was not flat, so the design had to be altered from the usual. Also, the developer stipulated that the chapel had to fit the neighborhood's design standards. That fell within the church's standards, so it was done that way. The chapel is beautiful and unique.

    However, coming up with a unique design for every chapel would drive up the costs, something the church tries to avoid. They are, after all, trying to do as much as possible without incurring debt, something they've been able to do successfully since the late-1800's.

  • Luke
    Jan. 12, 2009 11:47 a.m.

    The catholics and others have build great cathedrals through out the world and now the mormons are populating the world with temples and what good has it done: the poor are still poor and the rich more rich and no one the wiser improved, or better off; just more talk, preaching and no results or action. Would not a good library make more sense.

  • K
    Jan. 12, 2009 12:28 p.m.

    Luke,

    The world will always have poor people. Christ commanded feed my sheep for a reason. It would always be applicable to every generation.

    As to the no one improved or better off because of religion I tend to disagree. The poor countries are much more faithful, whatever the religion. Our Pope has talked about the loss of faith in US and richer Eurpean countries. Spritual apathy. Mother Theresa talked about a different kind of poverty in richer nations as well. I would argue that the people of America and Europe need places to worship in as desperately as the people in Haiti need food and security.

  • Why?
    Jan. 12, 2009 12:44 p.m.

    do you stay in Utah if each piece of news about The Church makes you so unhappy. I live outside of Utah far away and am struck each time I read the newspaper by the number of negative comments in at least one article every day.

    If you are not happy, why do you stay in Utah? There must be something that keeps you there. If not, find another place where you can be happy and go there where the news won't make you miserable. Life is too short. There is much good to be gained and to give wherever you live. So much wasted time and effort. Go to school, volunteer, put some of your negative energy into doing something good rather than spending so much time on the computer criticizing those who are do gooders. Here's the first step . . .turn off the computer . . . ready? . . . push start, click on "shut down" . . . . Good, now don't you feel better?! Now go outside and smell the snow, look at the mountains, go sledding, visit a museum, smile at someone!

  • To: K 12:28
    Jan. 12, 2009 1:26 p.m.

    I guess that is a fine and good if you are not one of the poor, are you; if so I hope you can find help through learning at your library or other services, I doubt your church will do much for you long term, good luck.

  • K
    Jan. 12, 2009 4:46 p.m.

    Why should my church help me long term? God helps those who help themselves. I have more of an obligation that to receive help for life from my Church or anyone else's. There is no shame is being rich, there is no shame in being poor. The only shame is not sharing.

    Totally agree about the library being helpful. I was a librarian. So I'm hardly rich, hardly poor either. But even the library can only do so much. It's one piece of the puzzle.

    If you needed emergency help where would you turn. St Vincent DePaul, your local food bank which is in large supply due to donations from churches or people who attend services somewhere. You would not get quick assistance from the government as you have to prove need, which is as it should be for more regular assistance. A company's HR department would be of help by eventually hiring perhaps but it even if you were hired on the spot it would takes weeks to get your first check. So for quick assistance, immediate assistance I'll call the nearest place of worship first.

  • To "I am going to the temple"
    Jan. 12, 2009 5:05 p.m.

    I'm sure it will be pretty. I've been to many temples and they are beautiful. But I'm sure the Catholic cathedrals are too and I would like to visit those in a variety of places in the world. That's what they are...beautiful buildings. I am no longer a Mormon and I am very happy to be free of all your confining "dogmas". You need to learn that there are a variety of people in the world and many of us are as close to "God" as you!

  • Re: outreach eternity
    Jan. 12, 2009 5:21 p.m.

    Each time a temple is built and is working for our
    members my heart swells with humility. This is a
    sign that more people in our world will be able to
    make sacred covenants with our Heavely Father. We
    are striving to be better people, better members of
    the church, and learning to love others as ourselves. We are trying to be what our Heavenly
    Father wants us to be. Hip Hip Huray!

  • Get a life
    Jan. 12, 2009 9:48 p.m.

    "It's beautiful for everyone to share their comments and beliefs, but PLEASE if you want your statements to be credible: be sure to spell check and use proper grammar."

    Kind of like either wear a white shirt to church or don't come at all?

    PLEASE if you want your statements to be small-minded: concentrate on the spelling and grammar. Don't bother with the idea behind the words.......

  • To To "I am going | 5:05
    Jan. 13, 2009 5:01 a.m.

    Um . . . it would seem that anyone that puts quotes around the word God in describing what he's close to, isn't close to God.

  • That is because what
    Jan. 13, 2009 7:53 a.m.

    Mormons consider as the words of "God" and what many other people do is different. That is what I've been amazed at with the the Mormons. A number of them can be so educated and yet when it comes to religion and the variety of beliefs they often don't have a clue. Don't like the quotes? Ok. My God and the billions of other people's God is equal to your beliefs in God.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 8:26 a.m.

    Actually, we have a whole lot recorded of what Jesus did. Jesus' NOT building or instructing others to build temples is contrary to Mormons' claim that Temple worship is essential to the "true," original Church.

    As for tithing, you can say anything is "voluntary". Giving your money to the robber who has a knife to your throat is "voluntary". Are you saying I could worship in an LDS Temple if I did not pay tithing?

    You claim "the evidence of temples in Jesus' life and ministry is everywhere." But you have not shown that there is ANY evidence that Temple worship is part (or the pinnacle!) of true Christian worship as established by Jesus.

    The Old Testament (Covenant) involved very limited Temple ritual. Jesus clearly taught that the old covenant was fulfilled and no longer needed. The Temple-based Passover was replaced by the Lord's Supper in a common home, not at the Jewish Temple.

    I still don't see any Biblical support for Christian Temple worship. You have failed to provide any. I would like to understand why Mormons think these temples are "restored" Christianity.

  • Re: GET A LIFE!
    Jan. 13, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    Perhaps you you need to find another place to check peoples grammar and whatnot instead of DES/NEW. It's nothing to get irritated over. Most blogs have one mistake after another on them. People really don't care that much. Maybe you need to go pray about it.

    Excuse my typos, because I really don't care-- blah, blah blah.

    You must be a Troll?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 9:14 a.m.

    It is very clear from the New Testament as well as legitimate history that Jesus was persecuted and killed because he taught against temple worship. It was the chief priests of the TEMPLE, and the "captains" of the TEMPLE, and the elders of the TEMPLE who accused Jesus, captured him, and took him to his death. The only thing they needed help with was a Roman court so they could try him for a capital offense.

    "Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?

    When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

    Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priests house. And Peter followed afar off." Luke 22:52-54

    Can't anyone show any evidence that Jesus' original church included the rituals and buildings Mormons claim are "restored" Christianity?

  • re: Anonymous @ 8:26
    Jan. 13, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Why would Christ command his disciples to build temples while Herod's Temple was still standing? And arguing from silence on the matter doesn't further your point. If you want to only go by the fragmentary and second hand accounts of what's said (or isn't) in the Bible, good for you. The LDS believe that Christ has commanded temple construction today, so we do it.

    Nice conflation of tithing with assault and robbery. If you're such a strict biblical constructionist, why don't you believe in tithing?

    As to temples in Christian thought, spend some time researching it. You'll undoubtedly ignore the material from LDS scholars as apologetic propaganda, but there's plenty of non-LDS scholarship out there to support LDS claims that the importance of temple worship and ritual was not lessened for Christians in the immediate aftermath Christ's resurrection. For both early Christians and modern LDS, temple ritual is fundamentally about creating sacred space in which to commune with God.

  • K
    Jan. 13, 2009 11:25 a.m.

    Christ also was specific about giving to God and giving to Caesar.Tithing is specifically spelled out both in the old testament and from the words of Christ in the new testament.

    Your not finding evidence of Christ asking for religious structures doesn't negate your obligation to support financially any church, if you are christian.

    My church encourages more giving to other charities than the LDS, but asks for a good percentage as they also do humanitarian efforts. But honestly the LDS are such a small percentage of the population. If all their 10% and fast offerings went to the poor, it wouldn't be enough. Instead of being critical of religious followers giving to their churches and how churches spend the money, how about going after those who don't practice any faith? They got so much money lying around since they don't have a weekly envelope to contribute to.

    Remember the loaves and the fish, when 2 or 3 are gathered? Christ meant for people to gather together. Religious building are vital. Particularly in harsher climates.

    If you aren't making an income, you aren't required to contribute to the weekly envelope. Any % of $0 is $0.

  • Pete
    Jan. 13, 2009 12:43 p.m.

    umm, a fine congregation on here.

  • Memorial forever
    Jan. 13, 2009 1:17 p.m.

    The poster 1:26 p.m. Jan. 12, 2009 said:

    guess that is a fine and good if you are not one of the poor, are you; if so I hope you can find help through learning at your library or other services, I doubt your church will do much for you long term, good luck.

    If everyone in the world were to follow the example of the LDS Church by fasting once a month and donate the cost of two meals as a fast offering to help the poor, poverty would vanish.

    Judas criticized the women for anointing Christ with expensive oil saying she should have sold the oil and gave the money that was paid for it to the poor. How did Christ reply? He said to leave the woman alone, that she had done it to honor him; that the poor would always be with us. Then he blessed the woman and said her deed to him would be a memorial to her forever. You are pointing your criticisms in the wrong direction.

  • Re: Anonymous 9:14 pm
    Jan. 13, 2009 1:38 p.m.

    "Can't anyone show any evidence that Jesus' original church included the rituals and buildings Mormons claim are "restored" Christianity?"

    There are at least ten different sources from early Christian scholars, Justin Martyr, Josephus, Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, the Pastor of Hermas, and others, all documented that the very early Christian church (first and second centuries) baptized people for the dead, just as the Mormons do in their temples. It was documentated as late as the 5th century by Epiphanius. Synod the Hippo, when recording the events of the Nicene counsels, wrote that down as one of the practices the counsels voted to do away with in the 4th century. There is also an apostalic parchment sheet, only in scraps, that historians have been studying for years. In 1895, a Coptic papyrus sheet matching those scraps of parchment was found, and it details a whole list of work for the dead that those first and second century Christians were performing - including baptisms and marriages. Just like LDS temple ordinances. And these were all found more than 50 years AFTER Joseph Smith reinstituted the practices. There was no possible way he could have known about them. Go figure.

  • Yes, there might be
    Jan. 13, 2009 3:08 p.m.

    a fine "congregation on here"...we don't know. And this is a clue; the world is full of many different kinds of people. Not all people will ever be the same and not all people (not even a small majority) will ever qualify as members of the Mormon church. So please enjoy the beautiful structures and know that some others might think the buildngs are pretty, but they will never be able to attend them.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 3:20 p.m.

    To re: Anonymous @ 8:26 | 10:21 a.m.

    First, perhaps you should take a chill pill. You are WAY too defensive and only drive people away from investigating your Church. Is that your intent?

    "Why would Christ command his disciples to build temples while Herod's Temple was still standing?"

    Isn't that like asking why build the Draper Temple while the Salt Lake Temple is still standing?

    How am I "arguing from silence"? What exactly do you think my "point" is?

    You LDS are the ones with the "point". You are trying to tell me you have the original, "true" Christianity restored. If that is true, then I would expect to see evidence in the New Testament of the kind of Temple worship Mormons do today.

    Nobody "conflated tithing with assault and robbery." Tithing us used to build temples. Right? Why so rude and defensive?

    Perhaps instead of YOU replying in a rude and unhelpful way, there is an LDS person who knows what they are talking about who can answer my questions in a kind and intelligent way?

    I think the question is clear: Where is the New Testament evidence that Temple worship was ever part of original/true Christianity?

  • DC Mormon
    Jan. 13, 2009 3:40 p.m.

    To The temples of the Bible | 3:45 p.m. Jan. 11, 2009:

    Actually, ancient Jewish temples were quite restrictive of who could and could not empty as were Egyptian temples. In Egypt, where I lived and explored for quite some time studying the culture and visiting the Temples, ancient temples were restricted to the priests and royal house with separate courtyards for non-priests. You had to be a priest to enter the sacred inner chambers or a ruler (who were considered sacred). Likewise, the Jewish temple had signs inidicating how close to the temple non-Jews were permitted, hence that area was called the Courtyard of the Gentiles. Only ordained priests were permitted within the temple itself. So, in effect, they did have temple recommends of a sort.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 3:41 p.m.

    I am familiar with Old Testament Temple rituals. Its sole function was to teach the need for atonement of sins as a precondition for authentic worship of the true and living God. The altar of burnt offering was located immediately in front of the only entrance to the Jerusalem temple for this reason. Next to that altar was the Laver, or "molten sea" in which the priests washed up after killing the sacrifice (a bloody business).

    Will I see an altar of burnt offering in the Draper temple? No, you will probably say, because Jesus did away with burnt offerings, right? Well, that was the main purpose of temple, so it seems to mean Jesus did away with Temple worship.

    Jesus did not teach "in the Temple". He taught in the outer courts that were open to the public. Only the priests were able to enter "The Holy Place" and only the High Priest on special occasions was able to enter the "Holy of Holies" in which sat the Ark of the Covenant.

    What will I find in Draper? More importantly, how did Jesus change Temple worship, and where is the New Testament evidence of Mormon Temple worship?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 3:48 p.m.

    It seems reasonable to assume that if (Mormon) Temple worship is such an important part of original, "true" Christianity, then Jesus would have made it a priority for his disciples and apostles to institute the kind of rituals Mormons do in their temples today. There should be evidence of this in the New Testament. There should be evidence of this in ANY ancient accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, but there isn't, at least that I am aware of. That is why I ask. Are there New Testament (or ancient texts) evidence that JESUS taught or established anything remotely like the Temple worship Mormons carry out today?

    I really would like to know as I tour the Draper temple. I would be happy to meet someone there who could answer my questions.

    Anyone willing to help?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:03 p.m.

    1:38 p.m.,

    Thank you. Was that so hard?

    So you are equivocating Christian Temple worship with baptisms for the dead? These source you allude to do not explain why baptism for the dead was not part of Old Testament (Solomon's temple or the Jerusalem temple) ritual. Nor do they support the contention that baptisms for the dead took place in the Jewish Temple. And they especially fail to show that JESUS taught about, or directed his followers to carry out, or otherwise participate in baptism for the dead or any other temple rituals.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:15 p.m.

    Is the sole or main purpose of Mormon temples to do "baptisms for the dead"? If not, what is the main purpose of the Mormon temples?

    If these purposes are so important for "true" Christianity, as Mormons claim was "restored" by Joseph Smith, where is the evidence that Jesus considered these rituals to be so important?

    The histories of the LDS Church I have read say that temples were so important that they started building them even before building houses for the people in the Salt Lake valley. If temples are that important to original, true Christianity, why did Jesus fail to emphasize them in the same way?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:28 p.m.

    I guess one explanation as to why there is no evidence of Jesus teaching about temples and the rituals Mormons associate with temples is that Jesus himself apostatized from true Christiantity! Is that what Mormons are saying?

  • Huh?
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    I read a lot of comments on here and from other posts that say something like, "I'm so glad to not be a Mormon anymore and be free from all of the restrictive rules."

    Which rules? There are rules everywhere in society. What is it that you are so anxious to get free from?

    Seems to me the real killer of freedom is addiction - be it alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc. Been there, done that. That's not freedom.

    When I hear people saying how glad they are to be free from the church, I think what they really mean is that they know deep down right from wrong and attending church/being around other members reminds them that they're on the wrong path.

    I've yet to attend church and been "told what to do."

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:32 p.m.

    Can I tour the Draper Temple on Sunday?

  • Re: Anon
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:37 p.m.

    Lots of questions about Jesus and what He did/didn't teach about temples. It has already been said a few times on this board, but making ordinances (example baptism) are well covered in the NT and OT. Simply because the specifics are not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist.

    Anyone who has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus and NT/OT prophets.

    Baptism for the dead is mentioned in the NT.

  • An Outsiders View
    Jan. 13, 2009 4:58 p.m.

    Dear residents of Utah:

    Amazed at the number of sad and misguided people represented on these newspaper forums. Never seen so many misguided attempts to tear down another's faith.

    The building of a new temple or synagogue or mosque or church is greeted in most places with celebration and congratulations. But, apparently not in Salt Lake City.

    There certainly must be a lot of stones in your mountains for people to cast at one another. Shame on those who persist in casting stones and calling names. How utterly childish. Please get a life.

  • Cross ways cricket eaters
    Jan. 13, 2009 5:27 p.m.

    My, my, aren't we all a judgmental group on here. Do you people always sling mud from both directions?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 13, 2009 5:32 p.m.

    Why do you tease people by telling you have some great truth, and invite us to come tour your Holy Temples, but then fail to answer our sincere questions?

    Mormon temple ordinances are NOT "well covered in the NT and OT." Not even close. If you know otherwise, you really should tell us. If you don't know otherwise, then you need to stop making those claims.

    "Simply because the specifics are not mentioned in the NT does not mean they did not exist."

    With recent archeological discoveries over the past 60 years, a LOT of things are "mentioned", but that doesn't mean they are true! Just because Josephus mentions" baptism for the dead doesn't make it part of original, true Christianity. If it did, then Valentinianism (and other gnosticisms) would have more of a claim to being the "restored" truth than what Mormonism offers.

    "Anyone who has attended the temple will recognize the teaching of Jesus and NT/OT prophets."

    That is little help to those of us who are not allowed in Mormon temples to see those teachings. I would think that is obvious.

    I would really like some answers before I tour the Draper temple. Any help?

  • Warm Winter...
    Jan. 13, 2009 7:21 p.m.

    Mormon crickets will be bountiful this year. End of days my friends, end of days.

  • Re: Anon
    Jan. 13, 2009 11:16 p.m.

    Your questions are legitimate, but some things that happen in the temple are sacred (not secret), which is why you're not getting specific details. My advice is to attend the open house and see what you can find out. There really aren't any deep dark mysteries in the temple. More like personal experiences. There are commitments between a person and his/her maker that are not mysterious or secret per se, just personal. There are several things, for example, I would be uncomfortable asking you about yourself. It doesn't mean you are hiding anything, it's just between you and God or you and another person.

  • @ Anonymous of 3:20
    Jan. 14, 2009 6:40 a.m.

    "Nobody "conflated tithing with assault and robbery." Tithing us used to build temples. Right? Why so rude and defensive?"

    You seriously can't see how the following statement at 8:26 might be rude and associates tithing with armed robbery?

    "As for tithing, you can say anything is "voluntary". Giving your money to the robber who has a knife to your throat is "voluntary". Are you saying I could worship in an LDS Temple if I did not pay tithing?"

    If you have sincere questions, an article comments section on the D-News site is probably not the best place for an academic discussion of temple rites and covenants.

  • You are right...
    Jan. 14, 2009 7:16 a.m.

    This probably isn't the best forum to talk about specific rituals. But what it is is a good place for people to be able to see that not all people are ever going to see things the same way. Of course it's up to you to believe that someday we all will see it the same. But we are talking about what is best in the here and now. If someone decides to join a church then it is their personal business, but please don't think that one church is better than another. Let's all Love One Another as Jesus taught...all else means little. I believe that all religions (whether Christian or not) can agree on this teaching and it would make the world a much better place to all agree on that point.

  • Sarah Nichole
    Jan. 14, 2009 8:47 a.m.

    In regards to the temple questions, without going into specific detail, there was a point right after Christ's resurrection, where He came down to teach the Apostles for 40 days. There is no existing record of what was taught to them at that time, though, since that is when the temple ordinances began being practiced by the people (whether physically inside or at a sanctified place outside, I don't know), I've heard many people speculate that that is what Christ was teaching them. There is no official doctrine about that, so far as I know, but I've heard it repeated many times over the years.

    I, for one, think that there was a lot that Christ did and taught that was not recorded, or was lost over the years, because there are some things which are too sacred to put down in explicit detail. Also, everything after the Gospels, and maybe Acts, was written as letters to existing Christians. There would be no need to give instructions on how to do something that they were already doing, and there is ample evidence from those early Christian scholars which shows they were doing these things.

  • Maybe so...
    Jan. 14, 2009 9:05 a.m.

    But does this make this the only way to live and think? No...and this is evidenced by the billions of people in the world that practice different religions and different ways of thinking. We can all believe and practice as we will and we should let others do the same. Thanks for sharing your beautiful buildings sometimes and some of your teachings, but I am not interested.
    God Bless All

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 14, 2009 1:50 p.m.

    Why isn't this site an appropriate place for a discussion of temple rites? What are you Mormons afraid of? This is the perfect forum for such a discussion. Do you have answers or not?

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 14, 2009 2:38 p.m.

    Sarah,

    Ample evidence? Can you please provide some? So far there has been none.

  • Ike D.
    Jan. 14, 2009 4:10 p.m.

    I think the more believable explanation for why there is no evidence of New Testament temple worship taught by Jesus is because Joseph stole it from the Masonic Lodge.

  • Stan
    Jan. 14, 2009 4:33 p.m.

    To Anon 1:50 PM

    A forum for discussion is one thing, but there are certain aspects of the temple that are deeply spiritual and personal and are not likely to be discussed in detail here.

    The answers are available to you. Attend the open house and ask the volunteers. Or, read Boyd K. Packer's book, "The Holy Temple." Or, call the missionaries. Speaking for myself (and most members), I'd like you to have the answers you seek. There's nothing to hide.

    If you are looking for Biblical specifics on exact temple practices, you're right, you're not likely to find them. The Bible contains only a sliver of the history of God's dealings with His people. Either one accepts the concept of modern revelation (i.e., things revealed since the Bible was abridged) or one doesn't. A review of the evidence and sincere prayer will lead to a God-given response.

    I hope this helps...

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 15, 2009 10:21 a.m.

    Stan,

    I appreciate your sincerity, but to be honest, your comment does not help. If Temple worship is so important to true Christianity there can be no doubt Jesus would have been explicit about that fact and we would find evidence of it in his teachings and actions. But to my knowledge there is no such evidence. Claiming that temple worship is so personal, sacred (and secret) and that is why there is no evidence is not valid. The New Testament (and other texts) is filled with accounts of Jesus teaching such personal, sacred, and secret things to his disciples (the Mount of Transfiguration). No matter how personal, sacred, or secret temple worship is, if it is as central to true Christianity as Mormons claim, there would be clear and explicit mention of it in Jesus' teachings and doings. There is not.

  • disciple
    Jan. 15, 2009 12:18 p.m.

    I suppose that I would have to assume,based on many of the previous 300 comments that prayers going up from a mansion are a lot more valid than those going up from a lowly stable in Bethlehem.

  • Whoever
    Jan. 19, 2009 12:31 p.m.

    If you don't like us or what we do then move out of the state and share your comments to those that care!! Have a great life on the paved road!!Ha Ha!!

  • KP
    Jan. 19, 2009 1:30 p.m.

    For those of you who think Mormons are "money hungry": what do you think we use the money for? It is to further the work of the Lord. I think the finest materials should be used in building a house of the Lord. The Temples mentioned in the Old Testament were ornate and impressive. Only the best should be used in order to honor Him who gave all.

  • Tania
    March 6, 2009 1:11 p.m.

    The temple is a sacred and holy place where families are sealed together for eternity, baptisms for the dead preformed and saving ordences recieved. ALL people are invited to qualify for these eternal blessings, although ALL will not choose to recieve them.

    Members of the LDS faith use the King James version of the Bible. The Bible Dictionary as well as the Topical Guide give a comprehensive reference to the four standard works, Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. There is information relation to temples in the OT times as well as the NT.

    From the time of Adam to Jesus temple work was done for the living only. After the crusifiction, Jesus opened the way for the gospel to be taught to departed spirits in the spirit world. Since that time, temple work has been performed for the living as well as the dead.

    Modern day revelation is a distinct characteristic of our faith. We have a living prophet that leads and guides us today, who speaks with God and in turn reveals Gods will to us. We are so blessed!!!

    I love the temple! Just seeing them brings a spirit of love!!!

  • Barb from Idaho
    Nov. 22, 2009 8:43 a.m.

    My niece just got married there. It was one of the most beautiful and peaceful places I have ever been.