Black, SUV w/22 on it, Out of State, there his red flag. Oh ya speeding. and
she told him no u can't go search the car' another red flag. but what did he see
in plan sight for his PC.And he had K9 there and the dog didn't find any thing
but he still searched. hum sure get the word out don't come thru Utah with drugs
we will catch you. Because we check everyone speeding in the state. Sorry for
are guess. But UHP keep checking. sooner or later they will get you.
Hey funny, are you a victim of the Utah Education System? Too bad spell check
doesn't check grammar as well. Sheesh. What exactly is the point you are
trying to make? Your comment is so broken up that it's hard to make heads or
tails of it...
Every few years, I'll get pulled over for a speed violation. On the last one, I
was asked if the vehicle could be searched and I consented. I had nothing to
hide and nothing was found.I'm an older guy driving a small truck.
Of course I was PO'd. I couldn't figure out why they chose to search the truck.
I couldn't fall back on racial profiling because I'm at the bottom of the racial
food chain. I'm an upper middle aged white guy.Sometimes things
happen that you just wish you could get even for. Then sometimes you just have
to take it and walk away.If she had given consent for the search,
it's possible the trooper would have dropped it right there.Life
Where's the 'Proof' racial profiling was involved?Are you saying the
police can't pull over or search a black driver in Utah without it being "Racial
Profiling"? How ludicrus!My suspicions would be activated too if I
pulled over a mom who said she was driving her kids all the way from San Diego
to see a Wyoming-CSU game. That just sounds crazy!Hint to
driver...-If you want to be on your way ASAP don't say "no" if they get
suspicious and asked if they can search. That just means you get to wait for
the K-9 unit to arrive and of course by then you will have a more grumpy officer
on your hands, one that really wants to find the REASON you didn't want him
searching your car.This MAY have been racially motivated, I don't
know, I can't read the officer's mind. I don't know what made him suspicious.
Only he knows. But I think your going to have a hard time PROVING it was
racial-profiling (especially when there are hundreds of cars with racially
diverse families passing through the state every day without profiling
problems). If racial-profiling were UHP-protocol it would happen more often.
Sounds like another power-hungry cop. If I was ever asked if I could be
searched, I think I'd certainly say no. A police office has no right to search
you, unless he can articulate probable cause or facts justifying a reasonable
suspicion that criminal activity is afoot. The Supreme Court said that. Any
simply denying permission to search does not give an officer reasonable
suspicion. Citizens in this country are NOT subject to arbitrary search and
detention at the whim of a government official.And when a K9 officer
takes two hours to search a vehicle on the side of the road, it's clear that he
has nothing and at that point he's just on a power trip. This is legitimate
harassment, regardless of race, and should not be tolerated.
Have you all forgot we have rights? Doesn't matter if we have nothing to hide or
not. The BIG point here is we have the right to say no. When you have nothing to
hide you have every right to say NO!!!
I would say this case has two components: "lack of probable cause" and "racial
profiling." Even if a cop is a complete racist, he can still search a vehicle
on probable cause. If he doesn't have probable cause, he shouldn't search
regardless of his motives. But if he searches without probable cause because of
racial motives, then that's doubly bad.Sadly, the case will be
resolved in court and not here in these comments.
The US constitution says the officer has to have probable cause. A black lady,
two black guys, Rims, and an out of state license plate is not probable cause.
The fact that she verbally stated the officer had no permission to search her
vehicle says to me the officer had to have enormous amounts of probable
cause.A failed sobriety test, visual evidence of a felony in
progress, or similiar sign. Without any such evidence, you bet that search is
unlawful.If we don't take an infraction seriously, our rights will
be trampled. Give an inch, they'll take a mile. very important we remember that.
If we don't we'll end up with a lot more than searched cars.
I think this is ridiculas. I believe that it was just when they came to utah. I
think that everywhere else has different races/ethnicities, but here. Out here
people just aren't used to it unless they're from salt lake and even thats a
stretch. I'm sorry they had to go through this. Hopefully everything works out.
Racial profiling is not illegal. The lawsuit seeks damages for
violation of the 4th amendment, which relates to search and seizure. And it
alleges a physical injury by being required to stand for long periods.Ms. Felders and her lawyer may indeed be claiming she is a victim of racial
profiling. But that's only to add notoriety to the case and increase their
Pointing to his medals saying "This gives me permission?" Arrogant thing to say.
2 hour search. Thanks officer hillbilly for putting Utah back another 10 years.
Use a dog, be fast courteous and efficient. Obviously this officer was not a boy
Do they make suv's without rims? Where would you put the tires?
uncannygunman | 1:31 p.m.Don't assume you know all the details of
what happened just from reading an article in the Des News. They tend to just
give you enough salacious details to get the juices flowing. There's usually
more to the story than what gets reported in the news (especially when all the
details reported were comming from one side). There's usually 2 sides to any
story. Did you hear any quotes from the officer? Nope, just stuff from the
lady sueing. Of course she's going to tell a good story (and that doesn't
neccessarily mean she's lieing, it just means you're only getting one side of
the story in this article).
. . . the case will be resolved in court and not here . . . ?Doesn't
seem sad to me. Not one of the dolts commenting here has even heard the
officer's side of the story.I'm glad the DesNews comments page is
not the ultimate arbiter of whether he was right or wrong.
until you have been pulled over for D.W.B. (driving while black, brown) you have
no reason to post your childish comments here. i have been pulled over for no
other reason just bc i drive a nice car with RIMs and dress nice i must be
Relax everybody! I'm putting down the sarcasm and stepping away with my hands
UHP officers are racist. Consider the state of Utah, where Republicans are in
control, and local businesses, sometimes, hire illegels. The end result is that
this officer will be cleared. Internal investigation & Utah courts will let him
off the hook. Just cooperate next time; then you won't have so much trouble.
Two hours on the roadside? That's enough to make me boil.
Denying a law enforcement officer permission to search your vehicle does not
create probable cause that you have committed a crime.Ms. Felders,
you're one of my heroes for standing up for your right against unreasonable
searches and seizures, and bringing this civil rights lawsuit.Good
luck in your quest for justice (you'll need it in Utah).
Let all the speeders of color go. Stopping them would not be politically
correct. As a middle aged white guy I've been searched at the airport many times
to even out the color-white ratio. Life's not that tough, get over it.
Is there probable cause that the person may be committing a crime? Yep, she's
already committing a crime, and being stopped for it.Now, is she
speeding because she can't read the speed limit? Or is she speeding because
she's in possession of something she shouldn't have (drugs, stolen property) and
is nervous? I live in California, I'm white. In every, without exception, time
I've ever been pulled over, I've been asked if they can search my vehicle. I'm
not surprised by it, I don't take it as an insult. I realize I'm breaking one
law, and they have reason to suspect I may break others. I completely
Saying no to the police just makes them more suspicious. BIG DEAL they can just
get over it for that matter. All that you are required to provide is your DL
registeration and proof of insurance. You are not required to disclose any other
such as where are you going? What are you doing? that is a fishing tactic that
the cops will use to try and trap people.
Maybe if I wasn't caucasian I would also have an excuse to cry that everything &
everyone is against me. Take responsibility for what you do you whiners!
I have been asked TWICE for permission to search my vehicle as a result of a
traffic stop. Neither time was I speeding or otherwise accusedc of braking the
law. No tickets were issued.. Auto was a 1999 Ford F350 DRW with a fifth wheel
hitch in bed. Both times I said: "NO". One time the AZ HP argued with me,
saying he CAN search my vehicle. I replied: "I am sure you can, but you
still don't have my permission to do so". Neither time resulted in a
search. Why does my refusal make me appear guilty? Come on, I HAVE the
right. Are we willing to give up our rights and ptrotections against
illegal search and seizure just so we can appear cooperative? Not Me! Does
cooperating when you have no obligation (as in this situation of requested
permission to search) make you a better citizen? If so, then why the
Constitutional Caveats?I sure hope you don't feel that way. If you
do, then let us do away with the Constitutional requirements of REASONABLE
CAUSE!It just makes us poor citizens...right?
Where's the proof,"Hint to driver...If you want to be on your way
ASAP don't say "no" if they get suspicious and asked if they can search. That
just means you get to wait for the K-9 unit to arrive and of course by then you
will have a more grumpy officer on your hands, one that really wants to find the
REASON you didn't want him searching your car."Why should anyone
consent to a search of their private property if they haven't done anything
wrong? Why should they agree to wait while their private property is searched?
The driver was well within her rights to refuse a search and the officer had no
probable cause to search her vehicle."I don't know what made him
suspicious. Only he knows. But I think your going to have a hard time PROVING it
was racial-profiling (especially when there are hundreds of cars with racially
diverse families passing through the state every day without profiling
problems). If racial-profiling were UHP-protocol it would happen more often."They don't have to prove that it is "protocol" to prove that they were
victims of racial profiling. Individual acts of profiling are still wrong.
Thank you Ms. Felders for standing up for our constitutional rights. I am sorry that you had to endure this behavior from a public servant that is
supposed to uphold the laws. The truth will come out.
Police overreaching again and trampling the fourth amendment.If we
citizens dont stand up to this we will all have our rights trampled by the
police.I hope she wins a huge settlement however she will not. Law
enforcement and the courts protect each other. To think otherwise is
delusional.Amendment 4The right of the people to be
secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but
upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Comment: The Fourth Amendment prohibits the police and other government
officials from searching peoples homes or offices or seizing their property
without reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed. In most
cases, police can conduct a search of a persons home or office only after they
get a written search warrant from a judge, detailing where they will search and
what they expect to find.
I'm sure that living in th U.S., we still have the right to say no. If the k-9
unit found nothing what other reason would he have for going through her luggage
piece by piece, did he not trust his k-9's abilities to sniff something out.I think most all police with any brass on their uniforms, are on a power trip!
The officer obviously exercised poor judgment and has a lack of respect for
personal property.When one is suppose to have the publics trust...
error on the side of caution.Both parties should simply chaulk it up
to experience and move on.
Ms. Felders undermines the integrity of her complaint by playing the race card.
Most people have learned to tune out racial complaints as background clutter.There are legitimate Fourth Amendment issues here. Why did they rip her
car apart after a dog search, when the dog didn't alert? Why did it take 2 1/2
hours? This seems unreasonable.
UHP, get rid of this bad apple ASAP.Mrs Felder, Enjoy the the
compensation due to you.Who approved the warrant and on what
grounds? I would like to hear the facts as they become available.
To Mrs. Felder, I believe every word you say. My family and I are victims also
of racial profiling that occurs in Utah. We have filed complaint after
complaint and nothing happens or no one helps my family. You were blessed that
someone is standing up for you, yours rights and defending you. May God Bless
you for I know what the suffering feels like when we endure these bad behaviors
of these unethical cops. Check your paperwork thoroughly. My family is
Hispanic and we were labeled as Negroids on the police paperwork, thats just a
small part of the story. The sad part is is that they may get away with it. My
family heartbreaking and suffering situation has been on going for 5 years. Sincerely, GOD BLESS and GOOD LUCK!