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  • Be of Good Cheer
    Dec. 2, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    I personally say "Merry Christmas" but never have taken offense at "Happy Holidays". Isn't this just forcing one group's view upon the other? Whether you come from the left or the right, it's the same thing.

  • Reid
    Dec. 2, 2008 11:57 a.m.

    Happy Holidays, Senator. Happy Holidays.

  • Joe
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    Chris Buttars is a joke. Quit wasting Utah's time and money Chris! The only War on Christmas comes from people like you who think Christmas is supposed to be about SHOPPING!!!!

  • What a Waste of Time
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:04 p.m.

    Did this guy really get re-elected? This is absolutely crazy.

  • Really?!?!?
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:09 p.m.

    Buttars is just wasting time on ridiculous resolutions. Way to go West Jordan on re-electing this yahoo.

  • JackTorrence
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    What a waste of time.

  • bob carlisle
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:24 p.m.

    i have never seen any normal, hard working, anybody get offended by merry christmas, i have never seen any normal, hard working anybody, get offended by happy holidays or happy Chanukah, every one gets offended by merry x-mas however. happy holidays is an acceptable middle ground. if you want to say merry christmas who cares. no need for action.

  • Stupidity
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:24 p.m.

    How could people be so blind and stupid to re-elect this clown?

  • Citizens of West Jordan
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:24 p.m.

    Shame on you for re-electing this person.

  • Roger S.
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    I don't believe Senator Buttars' effort is a waste of time, my reason being that if we fail to do something to keep "Christmas" as part of the Christmas Holiday, the very meaning of the season may eventually be lost or at least weakened. It's a small thing to encourage retailers and shoppers to use "Christmas" rather than "Holiday", but traditions and ideas are lost one small step at a time.

  • BRB
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    Even by the often silly and self-centered "Christian" standards of many Utahans, this is a truly asinine new low. Happy Saturnalia, Senator.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    Wasn't it this newspaper that referred to a Christmas tree as a Yule tree? The Deseret News will be hearing from a local lawmaker. :-)

  • Utahn, not a Xian
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    This is no more a Christian Country than it is a Muslim, Jew or Agnostic country. It is a country. Free to be a Buttars and free to be a Buttars hater. This guy is running out of bogus causes and is starting to look like Dell Schanze more and more everyday. Gayle get a new houseboy, this one embarrasses even you!

  • xscribe
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:49 p.m.

    I think there should be a law defining Christmas as one Christian shopper at one Wal-Mart, period!

  • Lavinia
    Dec. 2, 2008 12:54 p.m.

    I should be able to wish you "Merry Christmas" without fear of being sued.

    No matter WHO endorses it, this is a worthy endeavor because our country is becoming less Christian by the minute. This trend of not saying "Christmas" in favor of "Holiday" has got to end. We are a country founded on Christian principles. We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, not "Holiday's."

    Merry Christmas, and to all a good day!!

  • Getting off track...
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:01 p.m.

    Christmas is the domain of religion, and state lawmakers should leave it at that. I celebrate Christmas, but I think having the state dictate or "encourage" behaviors related to this or any other religious observance cheapens the holiday. Let's respect people's rights to decide what they will celebrate, how, and why.

    I don't see how the supposed "attack on Christmas" could be considered a legitimate state concern. We are going through tough times and Utah is facing some major issues. Would Buttars and fellow legislators please focus on those?

  • JanSan
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:04 p.m.

    I am REALLY surprised by the comments on this board!! Do you know or remember what the celebration of Christmas is all about????? It is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. That is what it funtion was in the beginning - and I for one do not want it to change to just a "season" to celebrate with LOTS of wordly gifts. I think he is right. The Muslims and Jews have their holidays and we do not interfer with them why must we change ours to include them ? PLEASE remember everyone the reason for the season is Christ!!!! Therefore Christmas. Please don't forget. If you do not believe in Christ and want to celebrate in your own way be my guess..... But don't change the name and reason for the rest of us. It sounds like gays and marraige all over. Why is alright to be gay and Muslim and any other religion - but Christians must not persecuted?

  • xscribe
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:06 p.m.

    To Lavinia: Which Christian principle was it that took this land away from the Natives; lying, cheating, stealing, or murder?

  • Merry Christmas
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    There is nothing wrong with supporting the use of Merry Christmas. Today, many companies are changing their advertising to Happy Holiday's in fear of offending those who aren't Christians. This is ridiculous of course, or is it? I believe we are slowly being lulled away from being "one nation under God" by those who go out of their way to be politically correct out of fear/desire. It has always been Merry Christmas and it should always be Merry Christmas. We celebrate the birth of the Savior whose name this holiday has been given.

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

  • Honestly
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    Well, West Jordan, thanks a lot. Just because the majority of the country is Christian doesn't mean that 'Happy Holidays' is a bad thing. I would also like to remind Mr Buttars that Mormons are not a majority, but our rights are still important. The purpose of a republic is to protect all, not a rule by majority lifestyle. If majority rule was king, I hate to think what kind of laws we would have in this country.

    The problem with Christmas is that it falls near so many other religious days. To be fair, Happy Holidays captures them all. We don't have this problem with Easter, because there aren't other conflicting religious holidays surrounding the date. That being said, I am not offended by any of the holiday greetings.

    The bottom line, though, is that the government should not be meddling in how stores choose to advertise. I do not support my tax dollars going towards such a silly resolution.

  • Merry Hanaquanza
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:19 p.m.

    Is Gail Ruzicka holding the puppet strings? When are we going to get away from the Eagle Forum lackeys in the Utah Legislature? Buttars is a Utah embarrassment. Thanks, West Jordan.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:20 p.m.

    The retailers Butters is referring to are mostly large corporations run by his Repug. cohorts. Better be careful who you upset! Keep Govt. out of religion, and vice versa!

  • Nate
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:22 p.m.

    I agree with Lavinia!! The "holidays" issues reminds me of the over protectant parent who when buying birthday gifts for a child buys another
    child(ren) an "unbirthday" present to make sure that they don't get their feelings hurt and feel left out.

    CHRISTMAS is a religous holiday. Stop trying to make it otherwise.

    Go Buttars for doing something to offset the squeaky wheel Leftist.

  • WASTE O TIME!
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:26 p.m.

    SHOULDN'T BUTTARS BE DOING SOMETHING BETTER WITH HIS TIME? GOSH, LET ME SEE ISN'T THERE A FEW THINGS GOING ON WITH UHHH THE ECONOMY, WAR, ETC...THAT WOULD BE A TINY BIT MORE IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON???

  • Bobby
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    I agree with Buttars. But he is one of the last guys you want to champion any cause.

  • Lynn
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    Listen, I am an Atheist. I do not care if people say Merry Christmas to me. I honestly do not think you Christians care if I wish you a Happy Solstice. Same as wishing me a Happy Hanukah or Kwanza. Go ahead. What I do not understand is why you people celebrate someone else's birthday - give each other presents for god's birthday. That's... I don't know. All well meaning anyway.

  • Democracy...
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:47 p.m.

    I personally think that stores should say "Merry Christmas" if they are run by a Christian...someone who believes in Christ. It saddens me to see "Happy Holidays" replacing "Merry Christmas".

    But I am also a believer in democracy...and anytime someone tries to infringe on anothers right to put in their store window "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is an infringement on democracy. The flip side of this is also true. We shouldn't prevent people from displaying religious sayings in their stores. And Gay rights groups shouldn't expect the rest of us to believe the load of manure (aka BLATENT LIES) that they spread. They are trying to legislate what we believe. It's wrong anyway you look at it.

  • Occupied
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    I have no problem with Sen. Buttars wasting his time on this nonsense...at least it keeps him from meddling around with much more serious and meaningful issues facing Utahans.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 1:57 p.m.

    Thios has got to be a joke. When there are so many other things of importants going on in this stated he wants Christmas as the word used by retailers. Keep him in West Jordan. Some people just have to much time on thier hands and he is one of them. Work on the state budget not what we should call the 25th of December Holiday.

  • Season's Greetings!
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    This issue is just another example of the Right Wing talking heads looking for an issue to whip up the base. "Happy Holidays" has been around forever and is no attack on Christmas. This whole issue reminds me of what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for--focusing on the minutae and "rules" so they missed the whole Gospel message. Stop this nonsense.

  • Christmas
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    If todays "Christians" acted more like their namesake, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Sadly, lately it seems as if "Christian" is nothing more than code for right-wing politics.

  • Ridiculous, but go ahead, Christ
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:07 p.m.

    "Christmas" in the stores no more focuses on the Christian part of Christmas than does "Happy Holidays." Since when does all of the retail part remind of Jesus Christ?

    Non-Christians participate in the holiday this time of the year. Why shouldn't they celebrate a holiday in December?

    Whatever, Chris Buttars.

  • Oh boy
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:08 p.m.

    Congrats, Buttars. You continue to make a donkey of yourself. And congratulations West Jordan for re-electing this embarrassment.

  • RESIGN MR. BUTTARS
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:10 p.m.

    I personally think Buttars is a religious nut and somewhat crazy-- that being said this is the FIRST time I have ever agreed with anything he has done.
    We have lost the meaning of Christmas. Maybe its time to call attention to it.
    Now Senator Buttars you've made me agree with you one time so resign and let someone competent replace you.
    MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL!!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:14 p.m.

    We have a major hole in the state budget and a myriad of other important issues and Buttars comes up with this? Hey, Buttars, you are paid to address issues that are important to the taxpayers of this state. Quit wasting our time and the countless sheets of paper and legislative staff time that we paying for on this sort of nonsense.

  • JP
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:18 p.m.

    I can't believe what a joke that man is willing to make of himself. Legislative time is precious--don't waste it on junk like this.

  • bill
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:21 p.m.

    Buttars continues to be an embarasssment. Instead of working to build an environmment where real companies with real jobs want to move to Utah, he teams up with Larry miller (no Brokeback Mountain) and our Utah Film Commission to create a hostile business location. Instead of worrying about stupid legislation like this, work on something meaningful...for a change.

  • Still unbelievable
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    That people in Buttars' district voted him back in office. He is the scariest legislature in history. Any thing he suggests, do the opposite.

  • Taxpayer dollars at work
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    Now this is a good use of taxpayer money and legislative time.

  • ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    I can't stand it any more!!! This if for all of you yahoos who believe there is a war on Christmas. THERE NEVER HAS BEEN, AND IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THERE EVER WILL BE, A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!

    The whole "War on Christmas" was just another piece of hyperbole used to get all of you upset. Credit whomever you wish for creating the "War" (personally, I prefer to credit Bill O'reilly). The bottom line is Christmas is not under attack and probably will be celebrated here forever.

  • Merry Christmas?!?
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:33 p.m.

    Get a grip folks! The term "Happy Holidays" was invented to incorporate other holidays (e.g., Hanukka), not to eliminate or downgrade Christmas.

    This country was not founded on the same Judeo-Christian beliefs and ideals that many of us believe in today. If it was we likely would not celebrate Christmas at all! Case in point, the Puritans outlawed the practice of celebrating Christmas for over 20 years during the 17th century because it was too Catholic.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Lavinia, you may be celebrating Christmas, but who says EVERYONE must? You and "Senator" Buttars need to read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. When you do, you will probably be surprised to see that neither tne name "Jesus" nor the title "Christ" appears in either. THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and it is not supposed to be. It is for everyone.

    You are free to say Merry Christmas, put it on your house, send it on cards to everyone you know, etc. But you (and Buttars) have absolutely NO right to try to force others to do the same. Forcing a Jewish or Muslim or atheist or pagan or whatever shopkeeper to put Merry Christmas on his store is forcing your religion on others. I know that is an old mormon tradition, but it is still wrong. Buttars needs to be retired.

    The people of West Jordan should be ashamed of themselves for re-electing him.

  • RE: Lavinia
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:37 p.m.

    Are you serious? Our country is becoming less Christian? Last time I checked this is a FREE COUNTRY that does not asribe to a particular religious affiliation. You may be celebrating Christmas but December is home to 3,yes THREE
    religious holidays. Yes, you should be able to say 'Merry Christmas' without being sued but forcing Christian beliefs on non-Christians is wrong.
    Happy HOLIDAYS

  • sob
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    who cares what the bozo thinks, lets all just get a life and ignore him.

  • Dear Sen Buttars
    Dec. 2, 2008 2:54 p.m.

    Are you NOT aware that the word "holiday" is short for HOLY DAY?

    There is NO "war against Christmas". NO ONE is trying to rename the HOLY DAY.

    We ARE, however, protesting your need to prescribe which HOLY DAY (among many) should be mentioned during a commercialized retail store checkout and credit card scan.

    The only "war on Christmas" is being committed by shoppers who have stomped one man to death and shot two others.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    Maybe if Buttars (et al) knew the history (not the bs revisionist history) of "Christmas" they'd all think twice about pushing for it. Lets get the Norsk God Yule (born on the 25th of December) his day back, better yet, give us back the Winter Solstice, the original pagan celebration that actually invented most of what we associate with "Christmas", such as lights, decorating trees (prohibited according to the bible I might add), etc.

    Whatever happened to FREE enterprise? Can't the owners of a store advertise any way they want to? Must we regulate everything to fit into Buttars narrow view of life? Get real.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    Mr. Carlyle, until now I have only known one person who was offended by X-mas. She was very uneducated, and thought that the X was "crossing out Christ." Apparently you have the same idea. Actually, it is an abbreviation of Christmas, using the Greek letter X (Chi), the first letter of Christ, to replace the whole word. The abbreviation has been known and used for centuries.

  • Johny Fairplay
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    Thanks West Jordan voters, jokes on all of us.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:10 p.m.

    Buttars, this is not a "Christian Nation." Medieval Europe had Christian nations. We don't want one.

  • To sob
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:19 p.m.

    Well, we would ignore this goofball if he were not wasting taxpayper money on the time and resources for to attempt to advance this rubbish.

  • Nate + Lavinia = Ironic
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:29 p.m.

    "We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, not "Holiday's" - Lavinia

    "CHRISTMAS is a religous holiday. Stop trying to make it otherwise." - Nate

    Ahhh...nothing celebrates Christ like the word "Christmas" forcibly placed in retail advertising, does it?

    The sad part is that you fail to see the irony in your own posts and in your support for Buttars'. What Buttars is proposing does not address the religious audience of Christmas, rather the retail audience.

    Beyond that, as elected State official, Buttars' has no business proposing legislation promoting religion in any context. Contrary to his statement, this is not a Christian nation, it is an American nation, some of whom happen to be Christian.

  • Missing the Point
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:40 p.m.

    I think it's a shame that employers will not allow employees to say "Merry Christmas". That is the issue. A law maker wants to send the message that it's ok to say what you want at the work place. He's in favor of "Merry Christmas" but I would believe he's fighting for the rights of our Jewish neighbors to say "Happy Hanuka" (sp?) when someone walks into their Wal Mart.

    As long has he's reelected Buttars is obviously spending his time as wisely as his constituents want him to. I can name 100 other things Rocky spent time on that wasted not only Salt Lakes money but the whole state.

    I'm sooooo glad Rocky is gone!

    Merry Christmas all!

  • Jenny
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    And West Jordan folk voted him back into office to waste tax payers time on frivilous stuff. I say Merry Christmas and for sure I don't need any laws telling me or anyone else what to say. What happened to freedom in America o0oops I forgot this is Utah. Buttars deal with the economy, deal with the unemployment and social issues and if you can't deal with them get another job and bleed someone elses wallet over frivilous stuff. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

  • Jason L. M.
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:44 p.m.

    I don't agree completely with Buttars. But it is a little rediculous to imagine a country where somebody can get fired because they choose to say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

    If you don't celebrate Christmas that is fine. But I shouldn't be penalized because I do. I would rather shop at a store that had a menorah in the window and large print that said "happy hanukah" instead of a store that has sold out to left wing Political Correctness and displays "happy non-religious holidays to you and your kin!"

  • the truth
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    Of Course there is a war on Christmas,

    MOre specifically there is a war on christianity that has been going on a very long time.

    Of course shopping has nothing to do with christianity or Christmas,

    but is the modern commercialization of Christmas.

    And althought Christmas has assimilated many pagan (which means peasant, the common folk) rituals of the winter soltice, perhaps adding some festivity to the holiday.

    it doesn't change what this day represents.

    Nor their attempts to remove that meaning, Christ, from it.

    And making it completely secular,

    Ands substituting their own idols like santa, or making up something else that has absolutely no meaning like kwanza.

  • JR
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    CHristmas is so commericalized that is why Christmas has lost the true meaning - the spirit of giving has got way out of reach - greed and snobbery abound, keeping up with the Jones's. Christmas is based on religious beliefs and that is where it belongs = not in political arenas.

  • hey all you whiners
    Dec. 2, 2008 3:59 p.m.

    Buttars isn't mandating that stores say "Merry Christmas". He just wants to make it so stores cannot prevent employees from wishing a customer "Merry Christmas". Next time, read the article and try to understand it before you ramble on.

  • Henry Drummond
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:00 p.m.

    Chris is welcome to make any resolution he wants. The legislature is welcome to ignore it. Let's not waste time on yet another ridiculous issue when people are hurting and vital programs are facing budget cuts.

  • Todd
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:03 p.m.

    The first president to send out Christmas cards, as opposed to signed photographs or letters, was FDR in 1933 saying, "Merry Christmas From the President and Mrs. Roosevelt."

    In 1962, JFK had Hallmark print 2,000 cards, of which 1,800 cards said "The President and Mrs. Kennedy Wish You a Blessed Christmas" and 200 said "With Best Wishes for a Happy New Year" to send to non-Christians. LBJ continued that tradition for a couple of years, but it required keeping track of Christian and non-Christian recipients. Beginning in 1966, they wished everyone a "Joyous Christmas," and no president has attempted the two-card trick since.

    The wording since has often flip-flopped. Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter put "Merry Christmas" in their 1977 card and then switched to "Holiday Season" for the next three years. Ronald and Nancy Reagan, similarly, began with a "Joyous Christmas" in 1981 and 1982 but doled out generic holiday wishes from 1983 to 1988. The elder President Bush stayed in the "Merry Christmas" spirit all four years, and the Clintons opted for inclusive greetings for all of their eight years. The current Bush has straddled the divide, offering generic greetings along with an Old Testament verse.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:05 p.m.

    WOW. Years ago I lived in West Jordan in what is now Sen. Buttars district. A few months ago, when Sen. Buttars embarassed our state with his racist and homophobic slurs, I was convinced he did not really represent my former neighbors. I assumed they voted him in based on what they believed he stood for, and once he'd shown his true colors, they'd send a clear message they don't share his hate and bigotry. But to my surprise, West Jordan has shown us that Buttars and his ugly, hateful views do, in fact, represent their values. Which leads me to say... WOW.

  • Another Idea
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:22 p.m.

    How about a resolution to eliminate people referring to Thanksgiving as Turkey Day? There's an assault on Thanksgiving too!

  • Buttars is Right!
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:35 p.m.

    All you Buttars haters need to take a step back and realize why he's doing what he's doing. Little by little the Creator of this world is being pushed from the front to the back of the "American", or christian, way of thinking. An Atheist poster was placed in the capitol building in Olympia, WA yesterday, opposite the nativity scene, to further promote equality. Many of those interviewed said that although they didn't agree with the poster, they respected its being there. Talk about CRAZY! If the atheists, or any other religion for that matter, want equality they can create their own holiday. The truths of the standard works still ring true and as the adversary can get us thinking less about Christ and more about equality, the closer he is to realizing his purposes. Keep up the good work Buttars!

  • VOR
    Dec. 2, 2008 4:41 p.m.

    All of you so called Christian's who are bent out of shape about loosing your saviors holiday should do a little research on the true history of your beloved holiday. YULE soon find out that Christmas has less to do with Christ than it does with early AD politics. Do yourself a favor and research it! Research the history, particulary in the US. Again, YULE be supprised!

  • Correction
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:05 p.m.

    Buttars was not re-elected by the fools living in West Jordan alone. His district included fools living in South Jordan, too. You couldn't fit all those morons into one city - it takes two.

  • Waste Of Time- PLEASE STOP!
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:06 p.m.

    Mr Buttars- this is a not a Christian Nation it is a free nation- you need to read the CONSTITUTION, PLEASE!

    Shame on those in West Jordan that elected the eternally ignorant- this is just the beginning of divisive legislation Mr Buttars will introduce- I thought Republicans were for less government- so, what is this Bill all about? More government telling me what I can and can't do!

    UNBELIEVABLE!

  • DustBowl
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:14 p.m.

    I don't need a feel good resolution that wastes tax payers money to tell me how I "should" run my business. Throw the bum out of office, obviously he doesn't understand why he is there.

  • re: hey all you whiners
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:15 p.m.

    I read the article. Buttars is way out of line.

    As an employer, if my policy is for employees to greet customers with "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", that is noone's concern but my own. If the employee doesn't like it, they are free to find other employment. It's no different than a dress code in that regard. If the customers don't like it, they are free to do business elsewhere. If they are offended by me including all religions in my greetings, I don't want their money anyway.

    If the state legislature doesn't like it, they can sit back and shut their mouths. They have no business dictating my business practices to me, particularly those that would be religiously founded. In fact, that Buttar's is using an elected position to promote ANY religious position should have him looking for other employment. In any state but Utah, that would be the case.

  • Honesty
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    Nothing anyone has said chnages waht the bill is all about:

    FREE SPEECH!

    the freedom of speech to say "merry christmas", which some stores and placse have prohibited their employees from exercising with threats of being fired.


    How can anyone be against the Freedom of Speech,
    regardless of how you personally feel about person who proposed the bill?

    Is your Hate so much more important that your freedom of speech?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:28 p.m.

    :) West Jordan :) Ha! Heeee heee


    thanks for the continued laughs!

  • Buttars
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:31 p.m.

    Reminds me of the same Buttars from South Park! HAHA!

  • Utye Fan
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:44 p.m.

    Way to go Butters.

    Thats right. Put "Christ" back into Christmas.

  • what truth?
    Dec. 2, 2008 5:47 p.m.

    how is it when "the truth" writes its always anything but the truth. Pagans where not and are not "Peasants" and Kwanza is a real holiday. People like the truth and Buttars are always demanding respect but think nothing of using demeaning lies about others.

  • Not a Free Speech Issue
    Dec. 2, 2008 7:02 p.m.

    To: Honesty

    Employees don't have freedom of speech. You don't understand the Constitution. According to your theory, any employee could say Merry (beeping) Christmas and the owner of the store couldn't do a thing about that--wrong!

    Employees have all kinds of policies and procedures that they are required to follow if they want to stay employed. If the boss wants "Happy Holidays" instead of something else, and they want to keep their job, then they need to be a professional and do what is required.

  • ld
    Dec. 2, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    My favorite Christmas carol:

    'Tis the season to be greedy,
    Gimme Gimme Gimme and gimme some more.
    Spend your money down at Walmart
    Gimme Gimme Gimme and Gimme some more.

    Y'know, maybe my friends at the Jehovah's Witness church have a good idea. Worship God and forget the crass commercialism of the day.

  • Buttars is a looney toon
    Dec. 2, 2008 8:06 p.m.

    Buttars has fallen off the rocker.

    West Jordan voters: what in the he(ck) were you thinking.

    How about a recall vote in West Jordan. Seems Republicans are in favor of those.

    Happy Holidays to everyone.

    And have happy new year too.

    I am a Mormon, and a conservative. Buttars needs to go.

    Oh, and have Happy Holidays, everyone!


  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 8:39 p.m.

    I am sick and tired of people saying this country was founded on "Christian Principals" Do some history and read before making such ignorant comments!

  • R, Lundgreen
    Dec. 2, 2008 8:44 p.m.

    I support Mr. Buttars resolution. It is not a waste of time to preserve the values that are the strength of our nation and society. Christmas and Christianity are under attack by the world's popular culture. Our nation was founded with religious freedom as a central right for each citizen. A resolution that supports religious liberty is one of the better ways a government can take action. May each of you have a Merry Christmas!

  • Sarah
    Dec. 2, 2008 8:49 p.m.

    okay there isn't every any Hanukkah decorations up in store. But there are CHRISTMAS decorations up. It really doesn't matter what is said but if you really get offended by people saying anything but happy holiday's then the stores need to put up something other than a CHRISTMAS tree. Honestly who really cares what someone says. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy Holiday's to all!

  • CAPS LOCK
    Dec. 2, 2008 9:24 p.m.

    December Holidays include, but are not limited to (in no particular order):

    Hanukkah
    Christmas
    Kwanzaa
    New Years Eve
    Pearl Harbor Day
    The official end of WWII
    Boxing Day
    Maritime Day
    Winter Solstice
    Forefathers Day (celebrating the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth)
    Celebration of the Boston Tea Party
    Bill of Rights Day
    St. Lucy Day
    Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe
    Human Rights Day
    St. Nicholas Day
    Volunteer Day
    International Day of Disabled Persons
    Rosa Parks Day

    Seems a little egocentric and rude to demand YOUR holiday be the only one to get any recognition...

  • mark
    Dec. 2, 2008 9:35 p.m.

    Way to go "the truth" you win the prize (again).
    Of all the ridiculous comments on this board, yours is the most ridiculous.
    Congratulations!
    Nope, wait, I might be wrong, Butters is Right! might be taking that dubious honor. But you are still in the running "the truth"
    Okay "Honesty" is gaining ground for most ridiculous comment.
    Ding, ding, ding... and the winner is "the truth!"

  • evolutionfish
    Dec. 2, 2008 9:49 p.m.

    Anyone who gets offended by someone saying Merry Christmas needs to get a life as does everyone who gets offended by someone saying Happy Holidays or anything else. It's all a way of greeting people. Oh and CAPS LOCK you forgot Yule on your list. Seriously people when someone says Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, or anything along those line just smile and say thank you and get over it.

  • K
    Dec. 2, 2008 10:20 p.m.

    I am Catholic so I say Merry Christmas. If a person celebrating Kwanza wished me a happy that, fine.

    But I must say that in stores I want to hear Merry Christmas. Over 90% of the purchases made in November and December are Christmas presents. So it's pretty ridiculous to me to try to be inclusive so folks celebrating the Winter Solstice or Festivus! Pretty soon Happy Halloween won't be said anymore or trick or treat - (it's extortion) After all Columbus Day also takes place in October, oh wait it's now Explorer's Day. So soon it will be Happy scary, harvest, dress up, pumpkin, journey day. Oh boy!

    Yes, Hanukkah has a present exchange but it's more of a religious holiday in the true sense. Actually our priest said a family in the parish was going to give their kids each 3 and only 3 presents this year, because Jesus received 3 gifts from the Wise Men for his birthday. They are trying to get away from all the stuff and focus more on the reason for the season. A step in the right direction.

  • bob carlisle
    Dec. 2, 2008 10:55 p.m.

    Anonymous | 3:09, first off you missed spelled my name, at least you can get that right. second i doubt hollywood, greeting cards, or your corner drug store cares where and what xmas means. x is in place of christ thats all what 90 percent of americans think. too bad you dont use your useless knowledge for good instead of being anti christ?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 2, 2008 11:02 p.m.

    Senator, you are a misguided soul. Certainly there must be something more important on which to windbag. Anyway, most of us don't care. And, I figure 'the holidays', that retail season from black friday through to the gift return season after boxing day most definitely includes christmas. It also includes every other holiday that can be determined, real or imaginary, onto which one can piggyback a gigantic blowout electronics or mattress sale.

  • Tommot
    Dec. 2, 2008 11:18 p.m.

    Gee, I always thought a Christian was judged by actions, not by words. I would rather that a retailer, who is motivated by greed and getting as much money as possible for something he/she is selling, say Happy Holidays, and not try to pretend to be a Christian and say Merry Christmas. With all the holidays, both sacred and profane in December, ambiguity seems like the best option.

  • DaviD O
    Dec. 2, 2008 11:27 p.m.

    yet more big government by REPUBLICANS telling private business how they should operate their business. I guess this is the norm by Republicans now since Bush nationalized banks, insurance and auto industries.

  • the truth
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:05 a.m.

    Anyone who cares could two seconds to look up the meaning and etymology of the word "pagan",

    Ypou wil find it l;iterally means the country folk.

    Later oinb it took on the menaing heathean or anyone who wasn;t christian,

    Interestingly, it now seems is is the liberals who are the heathans,

    while it is the country folk who are god fearing christian people,

    I guess the scriptures are true when itsays in the latter days good will be call bad and bad will called good,

    everything certainly does seem to bew upside down.

    Anyways, I will be waiting for an apology I expect will NOT be forth coming.

  • Honesty
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:13 a.m.

    I probably shouldn't be suprised how easily the liberals here are willing to give up their freedom of speech.

    I shouldn't be suprised, how willing they are to give up FREE Speech Rights to anyone they believe is over them,

    But I am.

    Its not wonder they are willing give government so much power over them, at a just promise it will take care of them,

    they don't even bat an eye at it just thinking they might lose their paycheck if don't abrogate their rights at work.

  • The NIT
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:31 a.m.

    This IS important and is worthy of the legislature's time. I'm new to Utah, but I like this resolution of Mr. Buttars. The sole of a nation, a state, a city is much more important the the "fiscal" matters. That's what this effort tries to emphasize, in my opinion. I will continue to say "Merry Christmas" every chance I get. I will also say "Happy Thanksgiving". It may not seem like much to many people who haven't thought this through, but there is a world of difference between those sayings and the generic/secular "Happy Holidays".

    Merry Christmas!!

  • The NIT
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:39 a.m.

    I would like to know which retailer said that to its employees as I would make sure not to buy anything at that store. I have lots of choices for any product and I don't have to put up with that kind of nonsense.

  • frogface
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:21 a.m.

    Although Sen. Buttars may thrive on negative energy, it is refreshing to know that he is outweighed by those who sincerely embrace diversity and connect to one another in love and acceptance. Perhaps one day he will allow the Light to enter his life so he can also thrive on positive energy.

  • Jake
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:21 a.m.

    Leave Mr. Buttars alone. If you disagree with somebody, especially somebody moral and religious, why do you have to throw rocks at him? That kind of behavior seems to run rampant in this community. First you throw rocks at our churches and now you throw verbal rocks at our member. For what? Because he wants to celebrate the Birthday of our savior. If you don't like it, celebrate the birthday of your savior and I promise we will leave you alone and not throw rocks.

  • Tommot
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:23 a.m.

    Jake, I think the criticism of Senator Buttars is NOT that we are throwing rocks at Churches AND him, but rather that he is a lawmaker, and has announced what he proposes to do AS a lawmaker, a public servant. Being a public servant means that you open yourself up to the marketplace of ideals (as John Stuart Mills put it), and he is feeling the brunt of that marketplace. Public opinion is how the public makes their opinions known. No, Senator Buttars is NOT wanting to celebrate the birth of our Savior in his Resolution (which, by the way, is non-binding... how resolute!), but rather to allow people who work for private industry to say "Merry Christmas" to their customers without fearing for their jobs. I always felt the Christmas spirit was spread not be greetings from store employees, but from the acts of service and the love for one another that we display and feel, which require no visits to malls or big box retailers. Perhaps, as you suggest, my Savior is different than yours.

  • awsomeron
    Dec. 3, 2008 3:17 a.m.

    .I usually stay in my Village most of December. They has been doing Christmas Music at Wal-Mart since just after Halloween. My and most Hawaiians Favorite Radio Station is playing Mostly Secular Christmas Music. The older stuff is extremely sexist. I have switched to another Station till January.

    I agree with Butters, It is Christmas and that should be the greeting and Christmas is the only reason for this Season. I have No reason to buy you a present because it is the Holidays. You would mostly get a Gift Card these days any way.

    Tule at my house is anything bought after Thanksgiving counts for Christmas and you can use it or play with it. But do not complain on Christmas Morning that all you have is stocking stuffers.

    I like to hear Merry Christmas and when I hear Happy Holidays I respond "it Christmas." I usually get "get yes but we have to say" and I just nod.

    Apparently the Store is more afraid of the Anti Christmas People then they are of me.

    I live in a land of many faiths, and a lot of people do not do Christmas. However they enjoy ours. Exchange Gifts etc.

  • cherrilyn
    Dec. 3, 2008 5:13 a.m.

    Yesterday I contacted Target to thank them for using Merry Christmas in their advertisements, and I received a very gracious reply from them. I think it's important to let our desires be known to retailers, government officials, etc.

  • Happy Holidays!
    Dec. 3, 2008 5:49 a.m.

    Just hoping everyone has a happy holiday season; including Mr. Buttars.

  • Talk to the Retailers
    Dec. 3, 2008 5:53 a.m.

    If people want a retailer to say Merry Christmas, talk to the retailer. Leave government out of it. I heard on the news that Costco is one who is only saying Happy Holidays. If you don't like it, tell them so. If they get enough complaints, maybe they will change their policy. Especially if the complaintants take their money elsewhere. We need to get out of the mentality that government is there to fix everything!

  • Chris in Texas
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:18 a.m.

    Alright, Buttars! I love this guy, because he has the courage to say the right thing! There is a cultural war in our country; the wheat is being separated from the tares. We have to decide which side we stand on. Either we are for the Lord or we're not. I'm so sick and tired of expressions like "Holidays" and "Xmas". It's time to put Christ, Our Lord and Savior, back into the equation. I applaud his work!

  • Jon
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:48 a.m.

    Buttars was re-elected to get the people's business done. Not make up work for the senate to do. Senator Buttars get to work and stop wasting our time on Stupid bills like this one. If you can't do this get out of the way so someone else can.

  • KM
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:54 a.m.

    Change, Change, Change - thats the old/new mantra.

    What once was Christmas is now Happy Holidays - wouldn't want to offend.

  • Heh-Heh
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:55 a.m.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL .....and to all "YOUR UPTIGHT"

  • But Jake...
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:56 a.m.

    But Jake, it is Buttars that isn't leaving us alone. He is trying to tell us what we should say, and it happens to be exalting his and your savior.

    And, Buttars may be religious, but he isn't very moral.

  • Debbie
    Dec. 3, 2008 7:05 a.m.

    This is not wasting anyone's time. Our country is in danger of losing freedoms such as this basic freedom of speech. We start restricting what greetings we can use and eventually it will be all, "Hail, Hitler."

    I appreciate legislators with the guts to uphold our Constitutional rights and the Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    We are promised the right to say, "Merry Christmas"
    if we want to and retailers have no right to restrict their employees' speech in this way. They also have no right to restrict their people from saying "Happy Hanukkah" or "Happy Kwanzaa," etc.

    Unfortunately common sense is not common and legislation or resolutions must be presented to help the ignorant to recognize what is right and what is wrong. Thanks, Chris, for having the guts to bring difficult, seemingly small issues to the forefront before out freedoms are all taken from us. And, good for West Jordan for providing a little balance.

  • CJ
    Dec. 3, 2008 7:48 a.m.

    Trying to get the government, whether federal, state, or local, to pass a resolution requiring businesses to allow folks to say 'Merry Christmas' is a foolhardy and wasteful endeavor.
    It will have to be the consumers and patrons of these businesses sounding their voices (both literally and monitarily) to enact a change in 'Merry Christmas' allowed to be said.
    Sen. Buttars, have you been secretly drinking the bong water again?

  • MMM
    Dec. 3, 2008 7:49 a.m.

    WHAT A JOKE!!! Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, THE IDEA IS TO COME TOGETHER, BE ONE WITH THE WORLD REMEMBERING CHRIST BIRTH AND BE WITH YOUR FAMILY!!! (AND RESPECT WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE)

  • cork
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    Dear Stupidity,

    The same "idiots" that re-elected him also elected Obama, Clinton two times and all the other idiots of their ilk who populate Washington, D.C. And this nation WAS founded as a Christian nation but finds itself falling on its face precisely because it not rejects that very principle.

  • Waste of time
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    Our Legislators must be out of things to do, once again. Hey Chris, how about that economy? Not ugly enough to deal with yet?

  • LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:15 a.m.

    I know there is no way would Jesus shop at store that says "HAPPY HOLIDAYS"!!!
    He would only do his x-mas shopping at a proper "Christian Big Box Retailer".
    I think he would also only go into major debt by using an approved "CHRIST-LIKE" credit card.
    So let it be written, so let it be done.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:15 a.m.

    Christmas = Christmas. I say happy halloween on halloween, I say Happy Thanksgiving on Thansgiving, I thank Veterans on Veterans day. Merry Chistmas senator!!

  • to debbie
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    Yes, common sense is not common and you have none. Retailers are PRIVATE businesses. They have every right to tell their EMPLOYEES what to say. Freedom of speech does NOT give employees the right to say anything they want, at least if they want to stay employed. Otherwise, when the next customer calls, I could just tell them to get bent. Would my boss like this? No. The ignorance is all yours.

  • Waldo
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    Senator Buttars is awesome!
    Who else can provide this much entertainment? Who else has such an uncanny resemblance to the scrooge?
    I can hardly wait to find out what you have in store for us in January when the legislative session starts!
    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

  • to cork
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    Are you simple? I would bet that less than 1% of the people who voted for butters also voted for Obama. The only way I can think of where that would be the case is if butters kids voted for him. But then Ill bet that his kids are embarrassed and dont vote for him.

  • Disgusted Republican
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    Buttars is why the Republican Party is leaving me. Let religion worry about this issue, not a State Senator. This is not an issue the State can resolve regardless of where you stand. Let the market dictate this, or is that too "Republican?"

  • Sam
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    I am a Christian so I have no problem in saying merry Christmas but to legislate it is wrong you would not want to force someone who does not celebrate Christmas to have to say it, so I say no to Gayle Ruzicka's ..I mean her puppet Chris buttars (yesterdays worst person in the world according to Keith Olbermann on countdown)!

  • Congratulations to Sen. Buttars
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    MSNBC's Countdown selected our local homophobic, racist, buffoon of a state senator as last night's "World's Worst Person".

    Congratulations Senator Buttars. Once again you've embarrassed our state with your shameful antics.

  • E. Cartman
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    Good News! More positive press for Utah. Buttars was the Worst person on Countdown last night.

    Happy Festivus!

  • Fiddler
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    If people wish you a happy anything, it's rude to correct them. Happy birthday, happy Thanksgiving, happy holidays, happy Christmas to everybody.

  • To Debbie
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    Are we in danger or not?

    Do you support governmental restrictions on free speech, or not?

    WHY do you support Buttars bill that would suppress free speech....after your speech about rights?

    All *I* want from a merchant, when I spend my money, is my stuff...and a "thank you". I do NOT want a pre-prescribed speech.

  • Cyril H. Noble
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:31 a.m.

    You would think Buttars would lay low with his remarks and thank his lucky stars that he was reelected.

  • Free Speech vs Business Speech
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    There is a difference between free speech and business speech. Business/store signaqe and messaging are business speech and that doesn't come with the same protections. Business speech doesn't come with a fairness clause.

    Businesses can communicate to customers however they see fit. These messages are vetted through focus groups of customers, etc. and the businesses adjust to target their core customers. It's called MARKETING!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    As a proud self-identifying atheist, I take no umbrage at hearing or saying Merry Christmas during the holiday season. Say whatever you want; this is not an issue worth getting worked up over. But I do take umbrage at calling the USA a "Christian Nation." I doubt there's ever been a more dangerous, slippery slope in history than the intertwining of religion and politics...

    Man, another long four years with Buttars in the Senate...and now he's got more power than ever under the new leadership!!! Will Utah ever change...

  • robin
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    UTAH GAVE HIM A MANDATE TO CONTINUE WITH HIS PEA BRAIN PHILOSPHY OF MICROBISM. I DID'T THINK HE HAD ANY POLITICAL CAPITAL TO SPEND.

  • reality calling
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    re: re: cork | 8:01 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008

    >>And this nation WAS founded as a Christian nation but finds itself falling on its face precisely because it not rejects that very principle.

  • Robert Oh
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:43 a.m.

    Yet another example of religious folk worrying about what other people are doing. When someone wishes you well by saying happy holidays or seasons greeting, just say thank you and be happy for the well wishes.

    If they would spend as much time just living their religion instead of making sure others don't do something they find offensive they might actually start enjoying life.

    There are more people on this planet than just you. Learn to live with us all!

  • curiosity question
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:45 a.m.

    If Christmas is so important because it is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, then why do you all allow it to be celebrated at the wrong time of year? Personally, I would be very unhappy if people celebrated my birthday at the wrong time of year and then got upset because those who had a legitimate reason to celebrate at that time of year were being recognized along with my birthday.

  • Dutchman
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:50 a.m.

    Sorry folks, but Buttars is right on this one so get off his back. Christmas day is a federal holiday signed into law by Pres. Ulysses S. Grant. By law it is called Christmas, not Holiday or Festivus, or whatever. Greetings should reflect the name of the holiday. Martin Luther King day is Martin Luther King day not civil rights day. If you don't like the name then I suggest you petition Congress to change the name. Good luck with that!

  • will
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:57 a.m.

    I'm all for Buttars' Merry Christmas as long as the retailors agree not to start advertising Christmas before Halloween.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:02 a.m.

    What a complete waste of time. There are far more important issues that our legislature should be focused on.

  • Dear Chris Buttars
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:03 a.m.

    Even Scrooge and Tiny Tim know you keep Christmas in your heart. How can anything anyone else says or doesn't say affect the joy and reverence you choose to feel about celebrating your "holy day?" There are so many joy-filled occasions being celebrated this time of year, celebrating the return of light to the world - why would you get nit picky about a hearty, neighborly greeting?

    Retailers are catering to celebrants of quite a number of celebrations. Would you burden them with having to display and advertise to each group individually? Silly.

    Thanks for attempting to wrest the last little bit of "peace on earth, goodwill to all" out of this traditionally festive season. Bah, humbug! brother.

  • John
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:03 a.m.

    I support Senator Buttars on this one. I hope his resolution gets adopted.

  • Peace and Joy
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:04 a.m.

    This nation was founded on religious freedom.

    The issue here is the attacks on Christianity are really attacks on the very religious freedom opponents purport to uphold.

    Unconventional though it may be, I think the senator is on to something here.

    Frankly, I wish my life were easy and/or so uncomplicated that I had time to be offended over whether or not someone said "Merry Christmas" to me, vs. "Happy Holidays."

    I mean, really. These stores are worried about offending non-Christiean shoppers? If they're offended, let them be!

    Come on, people. The message in "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Haunukka" or "Happy Kwanza" or whatever else one may believe in is that of HAPPINESS and PEACE and JOY. It's not about shoving beliefs down one another's throats. It's about spreading the message of love.

    If you're offended by *that*, then you have far bigger issues to deal with.

  • kshio
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:05 a.m.

    wow-
    what an incredible waste of governmental time and resources....unbelievable that A: you would take the time to make a resolution, and B: someone would take the time to report on it...

  • Buttars
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:19 a.m.

    ...this is coming from the person who made the reference to a bad bill being a "black baby". Buttars, shut up.

  • Brookelyn
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    LOL LOL LOL
    (Still LOLing) This isn't a "Christian" Nation, but a nation founded on the need and desire to ESCAPE religious persecution and thus respect other's beliefs. Some of you need to study history a bit more apparently. If saying Happy Holidays offends you than thats just silly. Silly Rabbit Senator Buttars has clearly proved he hasnt had a proper education on US history or apparently even Christs teachings for that matter. In a world so weary and full of REAL wars and such, its a travesty anyones even thinking about such petty intolerant things. Anyone who seeks to limit non- violent personal freedoms doesnt belong in government, especially one who also seeks to add bigotry as a family value, aka his infamous racist statements. Yes, shame on him and anyone else who agrees with that ridiculousness. Just as much as ppl have a right to freedom of religion, they have a RIGHT to freedom FROM religion. And again, if youve STUDIED history you will know, this nation was NOT founded on Christianity but people who sought freedom from religious PERSECUTION. Forcing your beliefs on others is NOT WHAT JESUS WOULD DO.

  • LEONARD
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    FUNNY COMING FROM A MEMBER OF A PARTY THAT GOT US HERE INTO THIS WONDERFUL ECONOMY!!! WAY TO GO "W"

  • ROFL
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:34 a.m.

    LOL LOL LOL
    (Still LOLing)
    This isn't a "Christian" Nation, but a nation founded on the need and desire to ESCAPE religious persecution and thus respect other's beliefs. Some of you need to study history a bit more apparently. Silly Rabbit Senator Buttars has clearly proved he hasnt had a proper education on US history or apparently even Christs teachings for that matter. In a world so weary and full of REAL wars and such, its a travesty anyones even thinking about such petty intolerant things. Anyone who seeks to limit non- violent personal freedoms doesnt belong in government, especially one who also seeks to add bigotry as a family value, aka his infamous racist statements. Yes, shame on him and his ridiculousness. Just as much as ppl have a right to freedom of religion, they have a RIGHT to freedom FROM religion. And again, if youve STUDIED history you will know, this nation was NOT founded on Christianity but people who sought freedom from religious PERSECUTION. Forcing your beliefs on others is NOT WHAT JESUS WOULD DO.

  • FYI
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:37 a.m.

    This is another clear example of why Universities around the Nation teach that Utah has not progressed past about the 1960's. Senator Buttars makes me feel like I'm living in a 1950's horror movie. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

  • War on Thanksgiving
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:37 a.m.

    What about the War on Thanksgiving? Christmas has been holding Thanksgiving hostage for years and is now threatening Halloween! If we don't act quickly Christmas could soon swallow up the 4th and 24th of July celebrations reaching dangerously close to Easter and Valentine's days within a few short years and eventually leaving President's day the only celebratory buffer between holiday seasons. Once it has reached that point scientists fear that there is a very real possibly that Christmas could consume itself, tearing a hole in the space/time continuum and destroying the world as we know it. Please Mr. Buttars, save us from this seemingly inevitable doom, I beg you!

  • Sigh....
    Dec. 3, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    This is your tax money hard at work. Shouldn't he be spending time on something that matters, like finding a way to finish trax and frontrunner?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:03 a.m.

    This is a bogus issue. Senator Butters cannot defend his positions on any substanitve issue so he uses an emotional one to hide his stance on meaningful legislation. It's a con game. Don't fall for it. Mom, apple pie, Christmas,tradition, values, easy to sell to Utah.

    The people of West Jordan must be morons.

  • sickofstupidity
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:05 a.m.

    Thanks to all those in west and south jordan who continue to give us the most pathetic, simple minded, reactionary, and worst senator in the country. I guess he does represent those of you who are stupid enough to vote for him. "Im an idiot and this guy is just like me".

  • Bender Rodriguez
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    Maybe, Buttars will have (dare I say) a come to Jesus moment like Bill O'reilly who is now a secular guy.

    BillO had a Mendenhall like quest in his alleged War against Christmas a few yrs ago when Secular progressives were the bane of existence.

  • Badger
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:22 a.m.

    If there's a war against Christmas going on, whoever is waging it needs to do a better job.

    No one is threatening to throw anyone in jail for saying "Merry Christmas." No one is suggesting that Christians should be prevented from worshiping Jesus and commemorating his birth at Christmas.

    Some are trying to say that retailers forbidding their employees from saying "Merry Christmas" is a violation of free speech, but as private institutions, they have the right to do that. Target has the right to forbid its employees from telling customers they should shop at Wal-Mart instead. Stores have the right to stop employees from using profanity or graphic language in front of customers.

    The real violation of free speech would be if an elected governing body such as the Utah Legislature were to dictate that people or organizations should use a religious greeting, even when they've made a conscious decision to avoid it.

  • provojoe
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:40 a.m.

    Buttars is the Super Dell of the south valley. Oh wait...

  • Bender Rodriguez
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:46 a.m.

    re; will | 9:57 a.m. Dec. 3, 2008

    >>I'm all for Buttars' Merry Christmas as long as the retailors agree not to start advertising Christmas before Halloween.

  • grundle
    Dec. 3, 2008 11:48 a.m.

    You all need to get a life...

    First of all, the only thing that happened is that Buttars opened a file. He opened many files. What that means for you media sheep is that he gives himself the opportunity to pursue this if he choses. It is a housekeeping action that is required for all resolutions or legislations that might be pursued.

    Second...We are talking about a non-binding resolution...not legislation. Please re-read...non-binding resolution, not legislation.

    Third...There is nothing in this file. It is empty. The intent, content, and purpose at this point is not clear. Only the title exists and way too much is being inferred from a title. Bills, resolutions, and such rarely are accuratley represented by their original titles.

    This is just more of you venting your spleens.

    If anything...this should point out to all of you media sheep how our beloved media has a big bulls-eye on Buttars. If anything...I would say shame on the trib and dnews for reporting this as a story. It is a non-event.

    Get a grip.

  • MF
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:04 p.m.

    Can we please act like a free country? We are not a "Christian Nation". We are a free nation where everyone is free to worship as they choose. And I would invite all who post here to know and really understand the history of the holidays they cherish before throwing stones.
    For example, if you are so determined to have this celebration be about the birth of Christ then perhaps you would celebrate in September (look it up) and let December 25th remain as the feast of the Son of Isis where some of these traditions come from. Open your bible to Jeremiah 10 and read about the prohibition on cutting down and decorating trees before insisting that this is a "Holy" tradition.
    I don't seriously suggest the holidays need to be changed but we all need to remember that they HAVE changed. I urge everyone to really KNOW the roots of the holiday before saying things like "It has always been... and it will always be...".

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:05 p.m.

    As a healer, Jesus would be too busy solving healthcare AND OTHER ISSUES THAT MATTER rather than how we greet each other on his birthday.

    Blame the small 'christian' minds that inhabit Buttars' district.

  • Badger
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:18 p.m.

    To Grundle:

    An elected official proposes a bill that, if passed, would result in the government taking a stance to promote one religion over another and you say shame on the papers for reporting it?

    As an elected legislator, everything Buttars says relating to bills or the legislature is rightfully open to scrutiny by the media. It doesn't matter that he hasn't officially filed the bill or that it's non-binding. He's one of the people who controls how our taxes are spent and what laws we have to follow. The papers would truly be "media sheep" if they failed to report on what he does and says.

    If the media are more focused on Buttars than most it's because he's proven himself more likely to bring up bills and topics that are controversial.

    Whether you agree with him or not, it's the media's job to tell the public what he's doing.

  • Reason
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    None of us yet know the wording of the resolution but, judging from the article, it sounds like a good idea. My impression is that the resolution wont push anyone to say, Merry Christmas, but will instead merely encourage employers to ALLOW their employees to say it if they wish.

    In other words, its just saying to employers, Wait it isnt right to prohibit your employees from using traditional Christmas greetings. But, for a few of you, this is merely another convenient jump-on-Buttars opportunity because you disagree with some of his other political views.

  • I like it...
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    All those who are so adamant about down-crying this controversy are exactly what this resolution is about (notice; it is a resolution, not a law). It's the apathy of this nation that will eventually make it weaker.

    I believe that there should not be anyone fearful of offending someone because that person says 'Merry Christmas'! Talk about ridiculous! This is just plain silly. The unfortunate thing is that these people exist. By saying this, no one is trying to convert you to any type of religion. It's a simple gesture of seasonal cheer and should be taken as such. We have plenty of things to be offended about (lyrics in popular songs, movies, media in general, workplace talk, etc.). This shouldn't be one of them...

    I applaud Sen. Buttars in his stance towards letting everyone know where he stands. We should all do the same!

    The United States of America was founded on Jewdeo/Christian values! Why is this such a hard thing to accept?! I am grateful for this heritage and my christian upbringing. This time of year is as much a celebration of Christ's birth as it is our Nations heritage. No one should be offended by that!

  • Bruce
    Dec. 3, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    It is true that a majority of the founding fathers considered themselves Christian, but this should not matter to Utah because Mormonism is not considered a Christian religion. Evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult. Catholics will not recognize a Mormon baptism for a Mormon to Catholic convert. Presbyterians, Methodists, and Lutherans all reject the Mormon/Christian claim because Mormons reject the trinity.

  • stillinut84651
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:02 p.m.

    Maybe I am reading too much into this story. The issue should be that at this time of the year, we, Christians celebrate Christmas....by behaving as Christians, such as being kind to one another, whether they believe as we do or not. Me thinks Mr. Butters is more concerned with the merchants getting people into their store.

    Lets hear it for more make nice and less mauling at the mall.

  • jumipin' jack
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:16 p.m.

    Tuesday night Keith Oberman selected Mr. Buttars as "The worst person in the world."

    I'd say the clown (Buttars) isn't that bad but doesn't he have anything more important on his agenda?

    Teaching Creationism to 6 year old? Increasing "Sin" taxes?

    But why am I bothering myself with this, the man doesn't deserve this much attention!

  • RE: grundle
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:17 p.m.

    The media doesn't have a bulls eye set on Buttars.

    It's the STUPIDITY of Senator Buttars that attracts all of his media attention.

  • Mantras
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:30 p.m.

    The religious right in this country is still paranoid, fear-based, dumb, and struggling to hold itself together with non-issues like this. I find it extremely amusing shaundenfraude and hope it continues, since the last election demonstrated that it is obviously not working with most of the country. Bill O'Reilly and Rush can claim responsibility for this state of affairs. Let's keep them in business, since they are clearly the leader of a lost cause....Please, PLEASE run Sarah Palin in 2012!

  • MMM
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    Why not elect people who cares about school, public transport, economy and jobs!!!

    Senator Buttars, I think is time to go home and play with your grankids and teach about Christmas and let another politician do THE JOB.

    WE HAVE A LOT TO DO NOW THAN FIGHT ABOUT SAYING MERRY CHRISTMAS OR HAPPY HOLIDAYS. I LIKE BOTH, I BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND I REMEMBER HIM ALL YEAR, NOT FOR DECEMBER ONLY!!!

  • THE GRINCH
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:36 p.m.

    NICE WORK BUTTARS!!! I DIDNT KNOW I HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR THIS HOLIDAY CHRISTMAS!

    THE GRINCH

  • Curmudgeon
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    Honoring the god Saturn was the REAL "reason for the season", until those plagiarizing Christians came along and appropriated the date, without so much as a howdy-doo or a thank ye.

    So, a merry "Io, Saturnalia" to all, and to all a good night.

  • C4mackk
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:46 p.m.

    I wish that Butter's from South Park would replace this Chris Buttars I am certain he would do a better job. This clown needs to go on mission to Africa were he can actually help someone instead of making Utah look like the "Clampets".

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:47 p.m.

    I heard the legislature is planning to do a live nativity scene this year. The parts for Mary, Joseph, the wise Men and the Shepherds are all up for grabs. The part of Donkey has already been taken by Chris Butters.

  • to Bruce 12:47
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:50 p.m.

    I think you should read and learn more about other religions, please do it, what you have said is just IGNORANCE and doesnt make any sense with the article.
    I was catholic and there is a lot of things that can be questioned about the Catholic Church, BUT we are not here discusing about doctrine and churches!

  • Seen the light
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:59 p.m.

    Growing up, I was taught that the gifts and sugar and plastic junk part of Christmas was a fun but self-indulgent party. The religious aspect was what we celebrated with reverence at church. Thank goodness Buttars was there to straighten me out and inform me that crass consumerism and mass consumption is what it is truly all about. The true alter of the Lord is the cash register and the true meaning of Christmas involves maxing out your credit card to buy plastic trash from China.Holy, holy, holy, cha-ching, praise the Lord and if you try to grab the last tickle me Elmo, I will trample you in the name of Jesus. Hallelulia!

  • George
    Dec. 3, 2008 1:59 p.m.

    Happy Festivus!

  • Two points:
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:22 p.m.

    1) "Happy Holidays" doesn't exclude Christmas. It simply acknowledges that within just over 30 days we have Thanksgiving, New Year's Day, Hannukah, Eid, and even Kwanzaa as well as Christmas. People say "Happy Holidays" as shorthand to listing a paragraph of various celebrations.

    2) I thought Chris Buttars, being a Republican, would believe in the Free Market. Believe me, if stores thought saying "Merry Christmas" would result in higher sales, they'd be saying it to you every six feet. If Wal-Mart's research - and they spend thousands of dollars a year trying to figure this stuff out - told them their sales would increase if they had singing cashiers, we'd have to listen to semi-employed sophomores warbling "Deck the Halls" offkey. The Free Market has spoken on what works best for retailers - so I guess Chris is a socialist at heart.

  • Happy Holidays!
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:23 p.m.

    Happy Holidays!

  • Must be said...
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:41 p.m.

    "He that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone..."

    "And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one beginning at the eldest, even unto the last..."

    MERRY CHRISTMAS

  • Frank
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:49 p.m.

    Yeay lets all jump on the social pariah!!!

  • re:Badger
    Dec. 3, 2008 2:59 p.m.

    Gee Badger...do you know the contents of the NON_BINDING resolution...Oh...never mind there isn't any.

    Hmmm. you seem very concerned that the media report on everything Buttars does...Are you as concerned about what your senator has opened up? I think you ought to start there and give him/her a call.

    The media has focused on Buttars to a ridiculous degree. When opening a file on a non-binding resolution with no text makes the front page of the trib, it becomes silly. I guess it sells papers though.

  • Bert
    Dec. 3, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    I'm in for a hundred bucks if his Bishop will call he and his wife on a mission. Anyone else with me?

  • Gary
    Dec. 3, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    The United States of America is not, nor has it ever been, a "Christian" nation. America is NOT leading the world and prospering because it is a "Christian" nation, and it will not fall and be destroyed if it abandons "Christian" principles, words, and holidays. Christianity is NOT what makes America great, and therefore, a loss of Christianity in public discourse will NOT make America crumble.

    Buttars, along with a bunch of other fanatic Christians and Mormons, are taking a page out of the operating manula of the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalist wackos. We need to fight such extremism everywhere it manifests itself! The war on Terrorism must include a war on ALL religious extremism such as the idiocy of Chris Buttars!

  • ding dongs verily
    Dec. 3, 2008 3:51 p.m.

    festivus, festivus
    just makes so much sense
    no offense to
    hannukah, pilgrimage or lent

    join hands as one throng
    celebrating light
    quaff and gnosh at the buffet
    and soon all will be right

    wheeee!!!

  • Is he still here?
    Dec. 3, 2008 3:52 p.m.

    I thought Butters died?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 4:22 p.m.

    Amen Gary!

  • crazy like a fox
    Dec. 3, 2008 4:30 p.m.

    I don't see any other legislator in two articles in the paper today.

    Maybe he gets re-elected cuz he knows how to work it.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 3, 2008 4:36 p.m.

    West Jordan had their chance to send this d-bag packing but didnt take it. Now they will continue to look like complete fools. All so some blowhard can spout off for gayle. Its disgusting.

  • Freeze dried
    Dec. 3, 2008 4:54 p.m.

    Geez! I love the Butters face lift. I wonder if the devil helped him out?

  • Merry Christmas!
    Dec. 3, 2008 5:51 p.m.

    A lot of people think this is a joke but I think that it's a viable issue. Many people said they don't want to impose their beliefs on anyone. By not allowing people to express their holiday wishes as Merry Christmas (as this retail store did) is imposing beliefs upon someone.
    If it takes legislation to ensure that people retain their freedom of speech then I'm for it.

  • K
    Dec. 3, 2008 6:37 p.m.

    Bruce

    As a Catholic I am upset by your comment about how the Catholic chuch won't accept LDS baptism. I must remind you that if I a baptsized Catholic were to convert to the LDS church I would need to be baptized by the LDS church.

    Stop focusing on our differences. Evangelicals, Catholics and LDS all say Merry Christmas.

  • I'm sorry
    Dec. 3, 2008 8:50 p.m.

    Do you not know what he means? He's not asking you to stop celebrating (or not celebrating) other holidays in the holiday season. He's not even asking people to stop saying "Happy Holidays." He's just trying to get the point across that it should ALWAYS be ok to say "Merry Christmas." Who wants to worry about the PC of saying the name of the actual holiday they're trying to celebrate? It's a Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth. So...

    Merry Christmas!

  • Confused
    Dec. 3, 2008 9:23 p.m.

    If this is a "Christian nation" populated by Christians, then how can Christians be in danger of losing their grip on the country? The only way this even makes sense is if Christians are a minority - in which case Merry Christmas would be applicable to fewer people and Happy Holidays would be the best greeting.

    So, are Christians a minority trying to force their will on the majority? Or are they a majority who just need a good excuse to whine?

  • David
    Dec. 4, 2008 6:42 a.m.

    Merry ThanksChristmaKwanzaaChanuEidNewYear

  • Charlotte
    Dec. 4, 2008 6:42 a.m.

    Joe,

    You are right. Christmas is not about shopping; it's about giving. If we boycut those stores that refuse to say Merry Christmas, you will see how fast they will change their tune. The percentage they don't want to offend will not be enought to bring in the mighty dollars that convert into PROFIT.

  • Hypocrisy
    Dec. 4, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    The Christian-Right is calling for a boycott of stores that don't promote/say "Merry Christmas" and to vote with their shopping dollars.

    These are the same people that berated the Anti-Prop 8 folks for suggesting a boycott of companies that supported/donated towards the passage of Prop 8.

    The sad thing is that you don't even see the hypocrisy is your actions. Pretty sad.

  • Bah Humbug
    Dec. 4, 2008 10:58 a.m.

    I said "Bah Humbug" to Buttars at the election booth this fall -- disappointed my fellow West Jordan residents didn't agree and voted this guy back in.

    Happy Holidays -- Merry Christmas -- Good tidings of great joy -- Chag Sameach -- Kujichagulia -- Let's all play nice and enjoy the cultural beauty that diversity brings.

  • Larry Linn
    Dec. 4, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    Sen. Chris Buttars, I was raised in the Mennonite Church, and both of my parents were protestants. On the street where I was raised, my neighbors were Mormons, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Armenian Orthodox, Mennonites, Buddhists, Shintos as well as atheists and agnostics. All were American citizens. My next door neighbors were Japanese. The father was a Buddist and a Shinto. Both of his two sons were born in the Manzanar Japanese Concentration Camp. Both served in the U.S. Army when they became young men.
    I live in downtown Los Angeles, and within a mile of my office, there are six Buddhist Temples, a Jewish Temple, the Catholic Cathedral, a Zen Temple, several Protestant Churches, as well as an Islamic Temple and a LDS facility near USC. All are American! Mr. Dobson and Senator Buttars, you did not serve in the U.S. Military, and may not understand, but when I served in Vietnam, freedom of religion, and the other freedoms in the Bill of Rights was what I was fighting for. I was not fighting to institute a religious theocracy.

  • Larry Linn
    Dec. 4, 2008 12:28 p.m.

    First Amendment - Religion and Expression:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

  • Global Conflict
    Dec. 4, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    "We have a war on Christmas," Buttars said.

    Perhaps General Chris "Patton" Buttars should ask Santa for a combat helmet and camouflage outfit so he can better participate in this battle?

  • evolutionfish
    Dec. 4, 2008 2:25 p.m.

    If being told "Happy Holidays" ruins Christmas for you, you really need to rethink your religious convictions. I don't celebrate it but I get upset when I am greeted with a "Merry Christmas" I just smile and say "the same to you". I don't think it's important to the spirit of Christmas or any other holiday to be reminded that it's the (insert holiday here) season.

  • Bruce
    Dec. 4, 2008 2:37 p.m.

    K, you would not be allowed to use your Catholic Baptism to become Mormon. Mormons require a full immersion baptism and yours as a Catholic was not. Even if you had a full immersion baptism, such as the Baptists, it would not be allowed because Mormons teach that the person performing the ceremony must have the proper Aaronic Priesthood authority, which according to Mormon doctrine, a Baptist preacher would not

  • Odin
    Dec. 4, 2008 3:33 p.m.

    This nut job really needs to go. "The pride of West Jordan" apparently has such little objectivity on any thing. The fact that he is up on the hill making laws for the rest of us, has got to be the most terrifying thing this season, its like the NIGHTMARE Before Christmas in Utah..

  • Sick and Tired
    Dec. 4, 2008 4:31 p.m.

    I am saddened everytime Chris Buttars opens his mouth. His extremist views make national headlines and our state is viewed as a group backward-thinking fanatics. I wish he would just resign.

  • The Heart Knows
    Dec. 4, 2008 4:59 p.m.

    I can't believe the hatred, vitriol, bitterness, and poison that comes out liberals mouths and hearts evertime there is a story about Buttars.

    Truly who is more sick? the Liberals or just one man.

    He never said anything racist, he words were twisted so liberal could attack him, For all you stupid stupid liberals: HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A BILL.


    Maybe you should all look at you own hearts.


    Evolution is the biggest bunch of foolish nonsense ever concocted and foisted upon us.


    Christmas IS CHRISTMAS.


    And I can't believe the DN thinks this is a good thing to contunue to allow this.


  • May I remind you
    Dec. 4, 2008 7:39 p.m.

    Of an old song "Happy Holidays to you". I do believe that this has been blown out of proportion. There has been a little withdrawing of "Merry Christmas" but many old songs and many old decorations that I have and know of talk about "happy holidays". Goodness, the stores start their "holidays" before Thanksgiving (maybe even around Halloween) now and they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas" at that time! I think this man is looking for something to be mad about since so many people have been upset with him.

  • re: May I remind you
    Dec. 4, 2008 9:29 p.m.

    I remember a lot of the cards we received this time of year touting "Season's Greetings!" when I was a kid in the early 60s. I remember seeing *many* with this sentiment. I was the one who had the privilege of hanging them over the yarn swagging the back of our front door.

  • Treaty of Tripoli, Look it up
    Dec. 4, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    Treaty of Tripoli

    Passed by Congress and signed into law by the second President (and Founding Father) John Adams on June 10, 1797.

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; ... "
    ________

    We are a nation of many religions (protected by the 1st amendment of the Constitution) and Republican Chris Butters should follow his parties principals of getting the "government out of the way" and let companies operate how they see fit. If you don't like it, shop elsewhere! This is a waste of all our tax dollars.

    *** HAPPY HOLIDAYS ****
    (all of them)

  • This is sad...
    Dec. 5, 2008 1:25 a.m.

    To Treaty of Tripoli, Look it up - Everyone agrees that the nation was not founded on the 'Christian Religion' or any other religion. However, to say that it wasn't founded on Judeo/Christian values and principles is simply denial.

    To evolutionfish - What's so offensive with "Merry Christmas"? Why does this upset you? I've read vitriol comment after vitriol comment about how ridiculous this resolution is, but you have totally justified Senator Butters here. There really are people who are offended or who become upset when someone greets them with "Merry Christmas". You know this has nothing to do with converting you or having you acknowledge in any way that you must believe the way they do, right? All it is, is a simple seasonal, holiday gesture of a hope of peace on earth and good will toward men. If this is genuinely expressed, how could this possibly offend anyone??

    There you have it, folks. Someone is officially offended by "Merry Christmas". Let the war rage on...

  • David Atchison
    Dec. 5, 2008 6:26 a.m.

    I do not think the ban would be necessary. I also do not think it is righr, for a retailer to tell their employees they cannot use the words
    Merry Christmas if they want. What happened to Free Speech? I would never
    work for someone who told me I could not
    use whatever I wanted. I do believe that
    No one has the right, just because they
    don't like my Christian views, pushing
    their view on me, as I wont push mine on
    them. They dont like the words Merry
    Christmas, then shop somewhere else. No one is holding a gun to their heads.
    US Navy Retired

  • West Jordan
    Dec. 5, 2008 11:37 a.m.

    You voters that re-elected this clown need your heads examined.

    Seriously, you're an embarrassment to the rest of us Utahans.

  • thanks dec. 2, 3:09
    Dec. 5, 2008 12:10 p.m.

    i was just about to make the same point about the "x" ... as usual, ignorance will trump knowledge if we let it.

  • Nathan Brocovic
    Dec. 5, 2008 5:03 p.m.

    The U.S. is NOT a Christian Nation! In Jesus' day, many of his fellow Jews were awaiting the coming of the Messiah when "the Kindgom of God" would be ushered in. Jesus was asked directly by Pilate if he was the King of this anticipated kingdom:

    "Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

    ...Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

    Elsewhere, Jesus said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

    Buttars is a fool. America is not a Christian nation.

  • RE: Nathan Brocovic
    Dec. 5, 2008 5:50 p.m.

    Actaully it is a christian nation,

    even though you can live in denial about it.

    and no one has claimed it is Jesus' kingdom, that is something else entirely,

    IT was settled/colonized by christian people,

    IT was formed as a nation by christian peoples,

    and it was founded on judeo-christian values,

    even though all are welcome to come live and practice their religion or lack religion as they see fit,

    The overwhelming majority are christian, whether they are actively practicing or not.

    NOthing you say changes that fact it IS christian nation.

    and chritians have every constitutional right to practice their religion publicly,

    we are a christan nation tha same way

    middle eastern and other countries are islamic nations, thought other religions live there.

    or israel is a jewish nation, though other religions exist there,

    or china or japan are shinto or buddist,

    or india is hindu,

    We are Chistain nation, though all welcome here,

    and we have right to practice it publically.

  • SlowS
    Dec. 6, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    Merry Christmas Buttars. There are more important things to worry about in your job than this. So Merry Christmas and get out of our way as citizens.

  • Savant
    Dec. 6, 2008 10:17 a.m.

    I say Happy Holidays (personally and in my business) from just before Thanksgiving until about a week before Christmas. I say Merry Christmas the week of Christmas and Happy New Year the week after.

    I've only had one customer ever complain, saying she (and many others - who???) didn't celebrate Christmas and resented me "forcing my beliefs" on them. I asked her if she had a calendar? Yes. What does it say on December 25? Silence. I may have lost that customer (since she called on the phone, I doubt she even was one). But so what?

    It is what it is. The day is called Christmas. Celebrate it, or don't. No one will force you either way.

  • Michelle
    Dec. 6, 2008 11:52 a.m.

    What happened to free speech? Let people wish you whatever they want. I can't believe Buttars is still in office. He is a moron. Is this the most important thing he has to focus on?

  • RE: RE: Nathan Brocovic
    Dec. 6, 2008 4:29 p.m.

    We agree that people are and should be free to practice religion. We do not agree that a lawmaker should tell a store what its employees can or cannot say. Say Merry Christmas all you want but don't force store owners to do it.

    Our nation was inhabited by a lot of non-Christians when it was defeated by some who were religious. Some of those people coming here did so to practice their religion as they saw fit, free from a government that would tell them things like what they could say.

    Other, many, many others came because they were seeking a better fortune. Money was a GIGANTIC motivator to those settling the "New World."

    Happy Hannakka. You Christians borrowed "Judeo-Christian" values and morals from ancient Israel. By your logic we should legislate to have menorahs in ever store.

  • RE:RE:RE: Nathan Brocovic
    Dec. 6, 2008 5:28 p.m.

    The resolution (which actually DOESN'T even EXIST, look it up! You are fighting about nothing!) would be a UNENFORCABLE/NONBINDING, and it extends free speech, by asking employers not to infringe free speech of their employees.


    Christianity didn't borrow anything.

    (although over time as people were converted, as christianity grew, many traditions of various peoples and cultures became part of christmas and other holidays ans celebrations,

    nothing wrong with that!)

    Perhaps you should ask yourself where Israel got their values from?

    Anyone who studies religion can tell you they came from the same source.

    God gave the Israel a bunch laws to live by, due to their disobedience, laws which were symbolic, representaive, archetype of the coming sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.

    Laws which Jesus said himself he came to fulfill.

    So, the same source!

    And lets not even put kwanza or festivus in same class.

    Festivus, of couse, was made by a character on the TV show 'Seinfeld'.

    Kwanza was made up in 1966 by a black man as an alternative for blacks to christmas.

    Judaism and Christianity have a history, a religious tradition, and a significance for billions going back thousands of years.

    Merry Christmas!

    Happy Hanukkah!

    yada-yada-yada...


  • Merry Christmas to all
    Dec. 6, 2008 8:21 p.m.

    When I say Merry Christmas, it means I am wishing you well. It is not in anyway a religious solicitation.

    Please take it as a compliment, not a slam.

  • RE: Treaty of Tripoli...
    Dec. 6, 2008 10:32 p.m.

    Perhaps you should look it up.

    YOu've taken a line completely out of context.

    This was the first treaty the US had made with a muslim nation.

    John Admas wanted to assure and make known it was between the governments of two nations and not between religions.

    And assure that tripolians that the US does not take its marching orders from any christian church or it's leader, be it catholic, evangical, protestant, etc.

    But to use that quote in sense you intended is just wrong.

    There is a difference between being a christian nation, being "founded" as one which is operative word.

    And in deed no christian churh founded this nation.

    But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did.

  • Nathan
    Dec. 7, 2008 9:52 p.m.

    Do you fools have any idea where the first notion that the US is a Christian nation came from?

    The idea was first proposed by -- are you ready for this? -- Friedrich Nietzsche in the late 19th century! Yes, that's right. The most famous athiest of them all, the (in)famous German philosopher who challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality!

    His identification of America as a Christian nation was NOT a compliment! It was a criticism and a warning about the inevitable rise of Christian fascism that he foresaw!

    Wake up and smell the angst. The US is NOT a Christian nation!

  • Gary Butler
    Dec. 7, 2008 10:25 p.m.

    "no christian churh founded this nation.

    But a collection of moral and religious people (who happened to be all christians from various sects) did."

    Excuse me? There wasn't even HALF of the signers of the Declaration of Independence who were Christian, and by most Christian standards, even fewer who were "moral and religious"!!!

    You people REALLY REALLY need to stop listening to so many idiot seminary teachers and BYU professors for your history lessons! You are absolutely IGNORANT about history!

  • I support Chris Buttars
    Dec. 8, 2008 12:55 a.m.

    I support Chris Buttars and I am proud of it. He stands up for what he believes in no matter what. He is in the Senate to represent the true conservative moral and values that this great nation was founded upon. I am thank-ful that he is taking a stand on the "Merry Christmas" issue. I think that is is sad in our nation today that we can't say Merry Christmas without someone getting offended. He is simply trying to say that it is okay to say "Merry Christmas" and no one has a right to take that away from us.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 9, 2008 9:09 a.m.

    To the Chris Buttars "supporter"

    If you are being paid by a company to be its representative in a business, the Company has EVERY RIGHT to forbid you from using greetings that may offend their customers.

    If you don't like that, feel free to quit and work somewhere else.

    Isn't freedom a wonderful thing!

  • Davey Crocket
    Dec. 9, 2008 4:46 p.m.

    To Merry Christmas to all,

    You are playing the spin game. You are not honest.

    IF it is true that your saying Merry Christmas is simply wishing me well, and it truly is NOT in anyway a religious solicitation, then just say "I wish you well".

    But no, you have to try to cram your religious cult into everything you do. And then you deny that you are doing it!

    At least be honest. You are a religious fanatic. All those who say "Merry Christmas" are religious fanatics!

    Someone needs to sponsor real legislation that outlaws "Merry Christmas" and requires "Seasons' Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" to be the ONLY greetings allowed in public places!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 14, 2008 6:15 a.m.

    I don't understand why Christians want retailers to say "merry Christmas" anyway. It seems to me that by using the birth of jesus to sell merchandise it cheapens the entire holiday. "Happy Holidays" is an inclusive phrase that takes into all the celebrations happening this time of year. Why is that a problem?

  • Cory
    Dec. 14, 2008 5:12 p.m.

    this is actually ridiculous
    its Christmas and i don't care what anyone else thinks
    giving it a different name doesn't change the face, it just makes you ignorant
    people argue that there's other 'holidays' near Christmas but in north America majority celebrate Christmas. One could also argue that there's several holidays with in every single month for other faiths and cultures. if you live in north America and you say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Marry Christmas" you are an ignorant person
    AND further more i don't believe that Chris Buttars opinion on this matter should make anyone feel that he shouldn't be re-elected (unless you are anti-christian than i might understand why i could think that why)

    btw you all proved his point, the fact that theres this many posts proves that their is in fact a war going on

    Marry Christmas everyone

  • Kurt
    Dec. 15, 2008 4:43 p.m.

    What an idiot. We have real problems, so he attacks a fake problem instead. Happy christmas, chanukkah, festivus, whatever for pete's sake.

    The icing on the cake is that Buttars is a "creationist" opposed to reality-based science which includes biological evolution. It figures.

    What rock do these cretins crawl out from under?