Why are the MWC fans so sanctimonious? Your statement that the MWC is better at
basketball than CUSA is very debateable. Are you forgetting that Memphis is a
member of CUSA? And who says you are better at football? True, the polls might
say the MWC is better right now, but all sports considered from the top to
bottom teams, and year in and year out I would take CUSA. I have an idea. Why
not take SMU for all the same reasons in the article? We both know the answer to
that question. Because you think you are too good for them.
This conference is called the MOUNTAIN WEST right? last time i checked Oklahoma
nor texas were neither very mountainous so it doesnt really make too much sense
for either teams...just a thought
About 15 years ago the WAC got the wild idea that expansion was a great thing.
It invited a bunch of teams to the league and became unwieldy. Some of the
original teams of the WAC realized it had gotten out of control and formed the
MWC. The MWC already added TCU for access to the Dallas TV market. Is it really
the smartest move to repeat recent history and add teams, no matter how good the
fit seems to be?
That's cool that you feel that way, but to say CUSA is better in all sports top
to bottom is a joke. Lets take out football and baskeball like you said. BYU
is tops in the nation in many sports such as swimming, gymnastics, baseball,
volleyball, soccer, track and field, cross-country, golf, tennis, etc. Utah is
very good in gymnastics, volleyball, soccer. TCU in very good in baseball; UNLV
in golf; SDSU baseball; CSU Volleyball, it goes on and on. And then you add in
that we are always better in football and traditionally better in basketball
(count up the NIT champs, NCAA champs, NCAA appearances, players sent to the NBA
from CUSA and just compare them to Utah, BYU and UNLV and you will find you are
lacking greatly.) So all in all you are way off the mark, and just like SMU we
don't want Tulsa either, we left them both 10 years ago for a reason.
THERE IS NO MOUNTAINS IN FORT WORTH ALSO
Since we're fantasizing ... my suggestion.Drop San Diego State and
add Fresno State, Boise State, Hawaii and Tulsa.I've always liked
the idea of adding Boise State to the Mountain West. They're a natural fit for
the league. If the Mountain West took both BSU, Fresno and Hawaii, we would be
gutting the WAC of its three best football teams. Bye, bye WAC.That
would give us a legitimate shot at gaining an automatic BCS tie-in for the
league champion. It would also give us a chance to get out of that lousy
contract with the MTN network and back on ESPN.With 12 teams, we
could have two divisions and a league championship game between the two division
champions.The only drawback is not all the teams could play each
other every year. How to break down the league?WEST DIVISIONBoise StateFresno StateUNLVHawaiiUtahBYUEAST DIVISiONWyomingAir ForceColorado StateNew
MexicoTCUTulsaNow that would be a tough league;
especially in football!Hawaii, Fresno State and Boise State have all
expressed interest in the Mountain West. Tulsa is the only question mark. A good
First of all, by just about any measure, the MWC is better than CUSA. More trips
to the basketball final four, more gymnastics titles, more of just about
everything (and we do have the only non-bcs team to ever win a national title,
AND the first team to bust the BCS, not to mention thre teams in the top 20 this
year, and 5 bowl eligible teams almost every year, so stop whining, and go
away). As for this being the MOUNTAIN WEST, as you say, San Diego State?
TCU? That's almost 25% of the conference coming from OUTSIDE the MOUNTAIN WEST.
Tulse would be a great addition, as would Boise State. Heck, Add them both and
that would make the MWC a legit, SCARY conference on par with just about anyone.
Imagine that for a sec. Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise, Tulsa, Air Force, and a hopefully
on the rise Colorado State, mixed with the usually bowl eligible New Mexico!
Bring on the ACC with a conference like that!!! Never gonna happen, but
seriously, wouldn't that be a fantastic football conference?
Instead of talking about who should join MWC, the Utes and Cougars should be
talking to someone about how they can join another conference. The MWC is going
no where. The teams at the top will always be victims of a poor conference. The
TV situation is horrendous. I don't care if we finish in the middle of the
PAC10 every year, at least there would be the possibility of a national
championship and we would be able to watch our team on TV every week. Imagine
Conference USA has 75% of its teams with losing records, and only 1 team better
than 4-3. The MWC better than 50% of its teams at or above .500, and three
ranked in the top 20, including 2 in the top 15. Explain to me how CUSA is a
better conference, cause I can't figure out where you came up with that
hum-dinger of a claim. You lose Tulsa, and you don't have a single team over 4-3
in a conference that has 12 teams! Please, make intelligent posts. If you're
going to make outrageous claims, at least have SOME statistical basis for it.
Seriously, not only 1 team out of 12 with a record better than 4-3? that's just
sad. That's worse than the MAC. The only conference that is WORSE than CUSA is
the Sun Belt Conference. And they're one win away from matching CUSA's
If we could only get rid of SDSU I'd be all for grabbing Tulsa and Boise St.
Great Idea. I live in Tulsa and it is a good school with a great athletic
department and community support. I would also love to have BYU come to town on
a regular basis.
Boise i s much more consistent than Tulsa.
BYU should be looking for a decent conference to join, patching the MWC won't
While I agree with you, the fact is Conference USA isn't that good of a
Conference! Rather than expand to a 10 team Conference why not 12 or 14? Invite
Boise State, and Fresno State as well? Then you have 12, add Utah State and
Hawaii for kicks potentially, divide into TWO CONFERENCES have a Championship
Game and winner gets a BCS game, all you have to do is get it approved through
the BCS! Why not, it would help alleviate half the squabbling going on now about
the BCS! I say we go for it!!! Provided we dump "The Mountain"
channel or go national with it! It's still killing our exposure! Also get rid of
the Conference President!!! He is an idiot for getting us the Vegas Bowl to
begin with as a Auto-bid for the MW Champion to face a 4th or 5th place PAC 10
team! What a jerk!!!
Expansion to the east ... yeah, yeah, this is making sense.Why don't
we also add UTEP? And Rice and SMU?And, naturally, Fresno St., San
Jose St., and Hawaii, just to balance it out.This will be a great
idea 12 years ago.
I agree. The last time Utah played Tulsa, the Utes won.The last time the
coogs played Tulsa, Tulsa won so it is a perfect fit.
MMWC - Mostly Mountain West Conf.
YOu don't want to drop SDSU they are in a big market city. We could drop
wyoming. They are awful. What's their television market 100,121st just right
behind the north pole. Absolutely no benefit to having wyoming.
Tulsa is at the foothills of the ozarks, and it is west of the mississippi, at
least. More mountainous than Ft. Worth, for sure. Not a terrible fit.
As a Tulsa fan, we don't need the MWC, don't want the MWC. It's all yours.
Very happy with CUSA. Have 4 schoools within a reasonable driving distance, not
including some fun spots like Orlando and New Orleans to visit. We recruit
Texas and Arkansas heavily and moving to the MWC is not a huge recruiting tool.
Instead, Maybe CUSA should keep asking TCU to join CUSA and look to improve our
The MWC has scrapped for 10 years now to undo the damage done to the WAC when it
expanded, the last thing we need is to bring more uncertainty into the picture.
Leave things alone, expansion is not needed. This season is drawing a lot of
attention, so why dilute the percentage of MWC teams that are ranked??? Why not
try to add a school like Fresno then? If you're looking at population they've
got Tulsa beat.
Apparently Mike Sorenson has forgotten what a bummer it was to have to alternate
years between playing rivals in the league schedule. The 12 WAC didn't work,
from perspective, largely for this reason. We could go 2 years and not play air
force for example. You never knew who you were going to play year in and year
out. You might miss a great matchup because of this kind of schedule. For this
reason, I don't believe that our league should expand beyond its current 9-team
configuration. Also, in an era of exploding energy costs, why would we expand
our conference to include more far flung opponents? Frankly, we should consider
dropping TCU and picking up Boise State. I understand the recruiting
implications. But, I also understand that there is going to be a paradigm shift
in college football and its going to involve the exploding costs of running
these programs. Having larger and more unruly conferences is not going to be
Uh, hello?! Look how close Tulsa is to Stillwater, and then to Norman. It
doesn't matter how big Tulsa is, 50% of the residents are Oklahome State fans
and 50% are Oklahoma fans. NOBODY is a Tulsa fan. They are, and will always
be, a minor league team in Oklahoma to OU and OSU.Adding Tulsa to
try to gain the Tulsa, Ok City, or broader Oklahoma TV market is just foolish.
You really need to do your research to understand the market
they would be guaranteed a BCS bowl. With 12 teams they could have a conference
championship game to earn some money and then the guaranteed BCS bowl.
Otherwise it makes NO sense or cents.What three teams would I
recommend adding? Boise State, Fresno State, and Tulsa... in that order.
Tulsa ranked higher academically than ALL Mountain West schools academically? I
don't think so.The writer forgot to mention the the Mountain West
has one of the elite academic instutions in the country, the US Air Force
Academy.The Air Force Academy may not be in the rankings that were
referred to because they do not offer graduate programs. But I guarantee you
that the Air Force Academy ranks higher than Tulsa and all other MWC schools
academically for undergraduate programs.
I understand the argument regarding Tulsa, with media markets what they are, but
Boise State is a better fit.No, Boise is not on the same level in terms of
population and TV market, but Tulsa is not exactly a juggernaut. Much of the
Oklahoma market is focused on OU and Oklahoma State, not to mention the Big-12.
Tulsa's inclusion into the MWC will not change that.Boise State has
already established itself as a solid, consistent, winning program. Despite the
lack of media market, BSU is very visible on the national scene.Boise
State lends itself as a natural rival to essentially every team in the MWC, with
the exception of SDSU and TCU. SDSU is what it is, but TCU is making serious
noise as a rival by nature of their success.Boise State fans fill their
stadium and would travel in high numbers for MWC games, especially given the
proximity.A top tier including BYU, Utah, BSU and TCU would legitimize the
MWC in a way that no other non-BCS conferences could claim. Tulsa would not
have the same impact.
We already expanded once in the WAC. It was a disaster and we had to leave and
make a new conference. Just keep it how it is.
Hmmmm's idea is awesome. get rid of the WAC and let those teams that still exist
combine with CUSA into an at large conference with the sunbelt league and then
the MWC can have an automactic BSC tie in before we as a united states of
america can force a legally mandated playoff system. with fewer conferences we
could have a smaller playoff system. great idea.
I AGREE WITH YOU A 100%. IF ANY COMPANY EXEC. OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD MADE
THAT MANY UNPRODUCTIVE MISTAKES HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEIR WALKING
PAPERS A LONG TIME AGO.
I'm not seeing how dropping SDSU would be better than dropping Wyoming. If you
want to drop somebody, drop the Pokes. They can go back to the WAC
I would agree with many posts here. Yes we should expand to 12 if the effort
guarantees a BCS bid. In that case add BSU, Tulsa, and Fresno State. We need to
keep SDSU for both the TV and recruiting market and add another school in CA for
the same reasons. BSU would strengthen the schedule as they are consistently
good, and Tulsa makes sense as you have read. If we don't get the auto bid, I
think a one team expansion is the best for now. In that case leave out BSU and
bring Tulsa or Fresno.
MWC cannot "drop" any school. The terms of signing on is that schools must
voluntarily leave. You can't kick anyone out.
I am a STRONG supporter of a 3 team expansion including Boise State, Fresno
State and Tulsa and using the contenental divide for the East-West divisions.
If the PAC 10 ever expands, Nevada and Hawaii would be available to fill the
gaps.A 12 team conference model is employed by 5 of the 11 FBC
conferences, including the SEC, BIG 12 and ACC.A google search of
BCS Eligibility will link to the official BCS site, the bottom of which lists
the criterion used to determine future automatic qualifications for
conferences.2005-2008 results using 2008 conference memebrs will be
used to determine AQ's for 2009. The MWC does not have a chance at gaining one,
but the Big East has a slight risk of losing its.If expansion can be
accomplished by next year, or even just having Boise State next year with Fresno
State and Tulsa joining the following year, the MWC would be set up nicely for
consideration of automatic qualifications for 2010 and 2011.
There is nothing good about having UW in the conference. They can keep their
"Boarder War" with CSU after getting kicked out, but there in nothing worthwhile
about them in the conference.
I meant "Border War" not "Boarder War," I need another cup of coffee!
then why is Louisiana tech in the WAC, and why are Arizona and ASU in the
PAC-10? Last time I checked, the pacific ocean didn't stretch that far inland.
Tulsa will never join the MWC. In recent years, we have discovered how to
recruit. Most of the great Tulsa players now are from Texas, Oklahoma,
Arkansas and Louisiana. In order to recruit in those states, we have to play a
lot of games in those states. I hope CUSA gets stronger (it is really bad in
football) but it is a good fit for us. The WAC was not, because it killed
recruiting. Joining the MWC would just repeat that fiasco.
I do not think TCU or Tulsa make any sense in the MWC? TCU should replace
Baylor in the Big 12 and Tulsa should stay right where it is. Baylor should
join CUSA. Fresno, Utah St. and Boise would make a lot more sense
in the MWC.
won't have the enrollment to stay D1 for long.
Tulsa? No way. That's going to add respect to the MWC? Not! Boise St. would
be a much better choice. Hey, I have even a better idea: let Utah and BYU go to
the PAC-10. The "PAC-1" needs some help.
Drop SDSU and Wyoming, add BSU and Fresno St. Done deal.
Tulsa wouldn't want to go to the MWC? Are you kidding me? If the MWC had a BCS
auto-bid, Tulsa would beg the MWC for admittance.
MWC doesn't need any more teams. For one thing, there aren't any mountains in
Oklahoma, so how can they be part of the Mountain West.
nobody outside of the city of Tulsa cares about Tulsa. It would be a horrible
move. The entire state of Oklahoma only cares about the Sooners, and that won't
Tulsa is too far East to be even considered for the MWC. Save time, fuel and
effort and forget about Tulsa.
I believe that rvalens2 has the correct (fantasy) projection of the MWC. Let me
repeat it here:To have a strong conference with 12 teams that would
be recognized by the BCS. The only drawback is not all the teams could play each
other every year. How to break down the league?WEST DIVISIONBoise StateFresno StateUNLVHawaiiUtahBYUEAST DIVISIONWyomingAir ForceColorado StateNew
MexicoTCUTulsaEach year (in football) every team could
play nine games between both divisions and three non-conference teams. ANd
every year, they could rotate who they play. Let's see if the commish can make
I think the MWC should drop BYU and add USC. That would bring respectability
back to the league and would probably be as possible as adding Tulsa. I love
the arrogance--every team spoken of would just love to join the MWC. While
we're at it, why don't we extend an offer to Texas, Florida, and Ohio State. We
could just drop Wyoming, Colorado State, and New Mexico to let them in and it
would be fantastic watching Florida play Texas every single year--not to mention
Ohio State vs. USC. Now that would be a great MWC!
"If" the MWC does expand I hope its Tulsa or SMU not Fresno or USU.Preferably, SMU which might bring some more of the Dallas/Ft worth TV
market.How 'bout getting rid of San Diego St for SMU?
Nobody's mentioned Tulsa's great fight song yet. That alone is reason for MWC
Tulsa - NO!Hawaii - NO!Fresno - NO!Sounds like vestiges
of the old WAC are rising up from the grave. Well, it is THAT time of the year,
with Halloween and all. The MWC Commissioner needs to put a stake in the heart
of that idea.
Tulsa's endowment dwarfs all of the MWC schools. Tulsa's endowment is around 1
billion dollars.Tulsa's endowment is more than New Mexico, Colorado
State, San Diego, Wyoming and BYU's combined.Academically it would
not be a good fit for Tulsa.
Who cares about the WAC and CUSA. The MWC needs to worry about their own
problems like better recruiting. Better exposure. Maybe winning against strong
opponents would be nice too!! More teams is not the answer. Better play is the
USU- YES!Look how they beat BYU in the fourth quarter. USU is the
team that makes sense.
The biggest reason I like Tulsa is that they are a quality program but more
importantly they would make a natural rival for TCU. Currently TCU has no
natural rival so who gets the big target? Us, of course. We have enough
problems dealing with Utah we don't need two of them. Of course if we did do
this we would have to get rid of another team or go to a 12 team league.
Neither of those are going to happen, so the suggestion is moot anyways.
Pleeease..No more adding teams. The MWC has one 2many. More teams would cause
the MWC non-conference playing time. I'm thinking..drop one team, that'll give
the MWC 4 non-conference games, or BYU and twin brother UTES find a better
conference. Just a thought........since we're all thinking out loud.
Please. Now is not the time to expand the MWC. Leave it alone at nine
teams.Conference affiliations are driven by football money,
primarily from TV markets. For that reason, and for recruiting the SoCal area,
dropping SDSU would be sheer stupidity.BSU has a great football
program, but although growing, its market size still doesn't justify its
inclusion, UNLESS its BCS rating would guarantee the MWC an automatic qualifier.
Fans all have their opinions, but the conferences will always follow the $$$.
[As an aside, the article's arguments make more of a case for
adding the Universtiy of Houston.]
USU will not be joining the MWC, so forget that ever happening. Other than
basketball, it would not be competitive in most sports with even the mediocre
teams in the MWC. USU football can barely compete at Division I level and if
things don't change in the next few years, will likely be forced to drop to what
was formerly called Division I-AA. Besides, I don't think the conference wants
three conference teams in the same TV market.
You people are really ignorant. Oklahoma is home to our country's oldest
mountain range, the Wichita Mountains. So if mountains are a qualifier, a team
from Oklahoma is in. Don't believe me? Go google it!
The best thing for the conference would be to drop Wyoming and allow the rest of
the teams to play another non-conference game every year.How close
is Wyoming dropping out of D-I eligibility?
Add Fresno? Add Tulsa? Add a Houston team (Rice)? Add Hawaii? Horrible ideas. Focus on increasing the quality of the conference by
improving the TV coverage and TV contracts. For example, why the heck was the
BYU-TCU game on Versus? Who?! Versus!!
Why don't we just raid the BIG 12? We could drop Wyoming and add
Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. We could drop New Mexico and add Texas.
Let's drop Colorado State and add Texas A&M or Nebraska.
Here is a much better suggestion for BYU. Join the the BIG 12!!
I think that from a credibility standpoint, Boise State would make a much better
addition to the MWC. If Wyoming wasn't such a traditional rival to several of
the MWC schools (BYU, Utah, Colorado State), it would be great to swap them for
From the Princeton Revew:Tulsa's student to faculty ratio is 7 to
1.Tulsa's endowment is 1.3 billion.Tulsa's student body is 2,400.BYU's student to faculty ration is 29 to 1.BYU's endowment is 239
million.BYU's student body is 32,000.Academically, it looks
like Tulsa would not be a good fit to the MWC. I'm always in favor of adding
schools to the MWC, but Tulsa is much better academically than the MWC and would
not want to join for that reason.
Interesting article. I wouldn't mind seeing a little deeper conference. I would
like to see Boise as well. The credibility of the MWC would rise dramatically in
the eyes of the world. But... we would need to drop some of the doormats like
Wyoming and SDSU.Then...maybe replace the lowly Big East and get an
automatic BCS bid.
The only way BYU will ever get to a BCS game is if they join the BIG 12.
Bottom line is this. Unless the BCS powers that be guaruntee the Mountain West
an automatic BCS bid before they expand, it is not going to happen. And since
the BCS is not likley to do that any time soon it isn't going to happen. As we
only get table scraps as it is why share those scraps with any other dogs. Get
into the BCS and then expand to a 12 team conferance with a championship game
and 2 divisions.
after this season Utah should leave this pathetic conference and join the
Pac-10. BYU can be our opening slaughter game every season just like a division
Tulsa isn't up to snuff academically to join the MWC. Boise St. is even worse.
DROP WYOMING AND AIR FORCE---THEY BELONG IN THE WAC AND ADD TULSA, FRESNO ST.
AND BOISE ST. San Diego is your biggest market and these days its about market
Truth is that the MWC needs an infusion of big spenders and there is a bad team
that has recently proven that it is ready to dumb money into its sports and that
normally that leads to great improvement. SMU is the traditional rival of TCU,
its in a large market, and with almost unlimited potential. I have never been
an SMU fan but they have tradition and money. That is where the MWC should be
looking, not small markets like Fresno State, Boise State, and Tulsa. Those
three teams long term outlook is mediocre while the long term outlook for the
added TCU and the needed SMU is prosperous. Plus, we already have Texas
Christian and Bringham Young (Mormon), lets bring in Southern Methodist; that
should make things even more interesting for conference rivalries.
Why would Tulsa have joined C-USA in 2005 if academics was such a disqualifier?
Sure Rice and UAB are solid academically, but UTEP and UCF? Come on.I don't think the MWC should expand, but if they do BSU would be the better
fit. Then New Mexico and TCU could be conference buddies. That would pair up
AFA with BSU and keep Wyoming with CSU.Remember adding 3 teams to
give 12 would mean a conference championship game and one more opportunity for
the top teams to lose. I think that's why the ACC has struggled so much. They
beat each other up and are without clear favorites (Until FSU and Miami regain
Tulsa and Boise St are both very dangerous for the Mtn. West. Yes they would be
good to add now but what about in 5 years. What happens when both of those
schools get buried in the middle of the Mtn. West and lose their prestige as
non-BCS schools? How are they supposed to build up a program when they are
always in the middle. Talk to New Mexico and CSU fans about recruting when they
always end up in the middle. I still question the longetivity of success of both
Tulsa and BSU if positioned in the Mtn West.
Proposed:That the Mountain West Conference trade SDSU, University of
Wyoming, and UNLV to the Western Athletic Conference for BSU, Fresno State, and
University of Nevada-Reno.The MWC immediately gains 3 competitive
teams that fill out the roster, The league is tough from top to bottom. It can
claim a stake in the BCS over the ACC and the Big East.The WAC gains
more balance, with the 2 dominant teams, BSU and Fresno St. moving up. Wyoming,
UNLV and SDSU are immediately competitive, which is better for the athletes, the
fans and the programs as far as dollar revenue from ticket sales, and bowl
eligibility. Recruiting will also be easier. (Except for Wyoming)MWC
loses the SD market, but gains the Orange County market. Loses Las Vegas, which
was a home game for the Rebels in the MWC basketball tournament.Fresno State adds baseball relevancy, as well.Its a win for the
schools, a win for the fans, a win for the athletes, and a win for both
Why would Boise wan't to join the MWC? Ask yourself, would you rather be
televised on ESPN or the Mtn? The WAC has the better exposure nationally. BSU
is too good for the MWC. So is Tulsa for that matter. Of course if BSU joined,
BYU and Utah wouldn't be the top dogs in football ever again. BSU has even beat
BYU in basketball recently. BSU joining would mean the end of BYU supremecy!
Will not work- BYU and Utah would then have to split all the money they make
with the Las Vegas, Humanitarin, and all the other big paying bowls that this
BCS system provides. Instead of sharing the $1,000 9 ways they will have to
split it 10 ways. Simply won't work. Plus BYU would not be able to schedule E.
Wash, E. Ill., or N. Iowa. They would be lost.
NO WAY WILL THE PAC 10 ALLOW BYU OR ANY OTHER TEAM ENTER THE CONFERENCE. THE
SCHOOL PRESIDENTS WOULD NOT WANT TO SPLIT POTENTIAL BOWL GAME PROFITS AMONG TWO
OTHER TEAMS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Change name to South West Conference secure Cotton Bowl for another BCS game.
Secure Holiday for Runner Up. Secure Las Vegas for third. Target with BCS nod
to add two/three of these: A&M, Colorado, Kansas, Arkansas, AZ, AZ State, MoWESTBoiseUtahTCUBYUHawaii
re:BoiseWhat is not to be forgotten in this mix is to remember that
the old WAC before the MWC/WAC split was 16 teams not 12! It was a joke. 12 is
manageable. I would love to leave the MWC the way it is, add Tulsa, Boise St,
and Fresno St. That would be the best for the conference....oh, and dumping the
The Mtn. It is not EVEN IN HD!!! It only gets ratings because WE HAVE TO WATCH
BYU should go INDEPENDENT, like ND. We have the national fan base, we have
BYUTV, we have the historical tradition, and we can keep ALL of the bowl $.
I think the idea of adding a tenth team to the MWC is a bad idea. That means
nine conference games each year (which is an imbalance with home and road
conference games) and would subtract a nonconference game from everyone's
schedule. The MWC needs those nonconference games against other big conferences
to win notoriety and respect and will be necessary if the MWC is ever to get an
automatic qualification into a BCS bowl. I like the idea of expanding, but to
add three top tier non-BCS teams and have two divisions of six teams each. Each
teams plays all five of the other teams in their division plus three
other-division opponents and then maintains a slate of four OOC games, and an
end-of-season conference championship game, just like the Big 12, SEC and ACC do
There are credible rumours out there that BYU may be getting an invite from the
BIG 12, once they drop Baylor.
If you had a two division Conference, you would play EVERYONE IN YOUR CONFERENCE
+ 3 of the other conference teams, this would give you a 8 game conference
schedule. You would know who you play because you would alternate the 3 Other
Division Games every other YEAR. This is what the Big 12 does, and it works
GREAT!!! UTAH, BYU, and Boise State would be in the same Division, and you would
have Tulsa, TCU, New Mexico, in the other division. Wyoming, Colorado State and
Air Force too. With The BYU, Utah, Boise State division you would also have
Fresno St. San Diego State and UNLV. This would be an excellent Conference! BYU
vs Utah and Boise State and Fresno St. and SDSU and UNLV would play every YEAR,
and each of these teams would play 3 of the other DIVISION Teams every OTHER
YEAR alternating Home & Away games. It makes perfect sense! Then you have a
Championship Game for the two Division Champions and the winner would hopefully
get a BCS birth! You would rotate the Conference Championship between School
Fields every year or go with best record get's home advantage although I like
BSU going to the MWC? Yes. Let's do it! It means we can finally not have to
play the Vandals! (No offense here Idaho, but we just get tired of hosting you
just to be insulted by your really infantile fans each year as we beat you!) TV
coverage? I've got two in the house. How about if I promist to turn them both on
(jk!) Recruiting? Those arguments are totally silly! Did you know BSU only has
a tiny handful of Idaho residents on the roster? We always laugh that "Our
Calfornians are beating Their Californians" at games each week. C'mon. You
cannot believe that a team just recruits primarily from their own state or
geographical area. Seriously - look at our roster and where everyone's from.
My favorite kid out there, Kyle Wilson, is from New Jersey for God's sake! We'd
love to go to the MWC! (And you'll learn to love our blue field!)
Boise State and Tulsa are too good for the MWC? How do you figure? Did you not
realize that the MWC has more ranked teams in the top-20 (three) than the WAC
and Conference USA combined (two)? In fact the MWC has just as many ranked in
the top-25 as all the other non-BCS conferences combined, including
I just looked at Tulsa basketball record for the last 15 years. It is pretty
impressive. NIT Championship. Several trips to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen and an
impressive record when it comes to tournament victories. There is no other MWC,
besides the Utes, that has a better basketball record. I'm not sure
Tulsa would want to join the MWC, but I would be in favor if Tulsa does want to
VOID THE MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE ALTOGETHER!!! START NEW with Two Divisions:EAST: 1.Tulsa, 2.TCU, 3.New-Mexico, 4.Air-Force 5.Wyoming, 6.
Colorado-State.WEST: 1.BYU, 2.Utah, 3.Boise-St. 4.Fresno-St. 5.SDSU,
6.UNLVEach Team Plays ALL their Division Teams & 3 of the opposite
Division Teams which makes 8 Conference Games and can schedule 4 non-conference
games. Alternate each year so you play the same 3 other division teams every
other season alternating home & away. Play a Conference Championship
Game and work with the NCAA for a BCS Automatic Birth. Call this "The
Mississippi West Conference" or the "West Mississippi Conference" The Mountain is STUCK in a TV deal it needs to get out of, so liquidating the
Mountain West Conference IS the best alternative! Spreading out to Tulsa is a
good IDEA! The WAC had it's problems because it didn't have a set pattern to
schedule Conference Games and favoritism took place and that is why the Mountain
West was born. A 12 team Conference IS A GOOD IDEA IF WE CAN GET AN AUTOMATIC
BCS BID! The Fiesta Bowl would be a good option and the most logical since it
has an "At Large" already, why not include this new conference?
Tulsa's Football team is ranked #19 in today's BCS standings. BYU's
Football team is ranked #21 in todays BCS standings
TCU doesn't really fit in the MWC. I'd be all for letting TCU go to CUSA with
Tulsa. Drop TCU and pick up Boise St. If you want to expand further (which I
would not care to) then pick up Fresno and Hawaii. I like the conference size
at 9 teams. That leaves you with 4 non-conference football games. The MWC
currently needs those 4 games to gain respect around the country.
There have always been rumours that BYU will be getting an invitation from the
BIG 12.So far, it has not happened. I don't think it ever will.
It is kind of like the fat girl waiting to be asked to the prom by
the most popular guy in high school. It will never happen.
Drop Wyoming. Wyoming is a disgrace to the Conference. They bring absolutely
nothing to the table but their outstretched arms to get their share of what
money is generated by the conference.
Tulsa would definitely make the MWC stronger in football and basketball.Dropping Wyoming would also make the MWC stronger in football and
basketball.Just an idea.
Tulsa has been to the Sweet Sixteen four times, the elite 8 once, and won the
NIT and CIB Championship in the last 12 years.No other MWC
basketball team (except the Utes) can compare with Tulsa's basketball team.
Tulsa? That TV market doesn't help us at all. Moreover, Texas recruits aren't
going to beat our doors down to be able to play against Tulsa! If anything,
Tulsa could use this to its advantage and tell recruits they can play against
Utah, BYU and TCU every year. Bad idea. Fresno State makes more sense in a
bigger market, close to California recruits, better football and basketball
programs, and closer to us in Utah. Plus, New Mexico could be traveling partner
for TCU, and Fresno with SDSU.
We know San Diego St is horrible this year, but don't forget that having them in
the conference guarantees a trip to San Diego every 2 years- a giant recruiting
pool. The fact that they get to play in front of their family every other year
is a selling point. San Diego is too important for recruiting, no matter how bad
their team is (see Alex Smith, Eric Weddle, et al). Besides, their basketball
team is good.How about Wyoming.. nobody recruits there, there is no tv
market, AND their team is bad. I say add Boise St (for football only, until they
prove their other teams can compete too) and drop Wyoming.
Texas recruits aren't beating down your down and never will. Texas recruits are
beating down Texas Tech, Texas, Texas A & M, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
State, and yes, Tulsa's door. Compare Tulsa's roster to Utah's
roster. Tulsa's roster is chalk full of Texas recruits.
Hawaii is a financial pitfall for any conference because of the costs involved
with travel to the islands. That's the reason they weren't included in the MWC.
It's fun for teams to travel to Hawaii once in awhile, but it becomes too much
of an expense to take an entire team there every other year.
What a bunch of clueless sports fans. First of all, the MWC can't drop a school
without them leaving on their own. This leaves the only option of expanding on
the base of 9 schools that are already there. If the MWC adds 3 WAC schools and
guts the WAC look for a law suit that would stagger the world!!! The BIG EAST
came close to this when the ACC raided it and almost cost the Big East their
automatic bid. The WAC will not allow the MWC to gut it again. On the topic of
BYU going to the PAC 10. It will never happen!!! The PAC10 loves Sunday play,
and BYU doesn't play on Sunday! The PAC10 is not going to change their way of
running things to accommodate BYU on Sunday play. The Big 12 might be an option
for BYU. But, I don't see the Big 12 dropping Baylor, and they would have to
drop someone to make a space. Therefore, the most the MWC could do now is add 1
school and grow to 10. Anything beyond that is out of the question right now.
The answer is to jettison TCU so Utah and BYU have a better shot in football.
Keep Wyoming. Bring back UTEP.
inside information: boise state is going to join the mwc in 2010! you heard it
here first, i dont know about tulsa but the mwc is getting boise for sure!
You MWC folks who think Tulsa would "beat down the door" to get into your
conference are nuts. The past five years have been the most successful ever for
football recruiting at TU. The only way to recruit heavily in Arkansas, Texas,
and Louisiana is to offer the families of the players a chance to see their kids
play close to home when TU plays road games at Tulane, Houston, Rice, UAB, etc.
Forget TV. Recruits want to have their moms, dads, and homeboys in the stands.
How would the families and friends of TU players ever afford to see games if the
opponents were BYU? Or Wyoming? Or Air Force? We tried that already - it
didn't work! The Tulsa coaching staff knows exactly what they are doing.
Besides, the MWC is only marginally better in football, and definitely weaker in
basketball. There are only three football teams in the MWC that could compete
against Tulsa now, and with no automatic BCS bid to offer, what is the appeal of
the MWC? CUSA already offers much more to Tulsa. And with the new coaches in
the CUSA, it is only a matter of time before this conference improves
Drop UNLV? What are you Ute and Cougar fans afraid that we are going to
dominate basketball for the next 10 years?
Boise State's basketball team is really horrible. It would not add anything to
the MWC. Why would we think of adding another crappy basketball team to our
I refuse to watch any more games on the Mountain. Talk about crappy
camera-work. Blurry picture, terrible sound quality and commentators are high
school quality.I'm calling on everybody to boycott the Mountain
until the quality goes up by about 1000%!
BYU is going to join the BIG 12 in 2011! You heard it here first.
I think all you experts on here should quit your jobs and start your own
conference. Then you can schedule BYU and Notre Dame every year - the "REAL"
I sure hope Tulsa hasn't watched any games on the Mountain. If they have, I can
guarantee that they will not join our conference.
Sign me up for your boycott of the Mountain. I have never seen such poor
quality broadcasts in my life. Re-runs of the Twilight Zone on
KJAZZ are better quality than the Mountain.I'm sure the Mountain has
hurt recruiting for the MWC. Any high school player that has watched the
Mountain broadcast a game immediately makes up his mind never to play in the
MWC. It is embarrassing.
The God And Country conferenceNotre Dame,Boston College,BYU,TCU,SMU,Army,AF,Navy
I think expansion is the only way to make the mountain west a consistent
national power. However, they should use the big 12 as a template. Two
division (north and south) and 12 teams with a conference championship. They
could call the conference the western 12 or W12. That way the name would be
restrictive to just the mountain region.The North:Boise
StateByuUtahColorado StateAir forceWyomingThe South:New MexicoUNLVSDSUTCU TulsaUTEP Both of those divisions seem pretty balanced geographically
and talent wise. The North might have a slight edge in football and the South
in basketball. I added UTEP because El Paso is very large market and already
has a natural rivalry with New Mexico. It also would open up the conference to
recruit Western Texas. (may be steal some recruits from Texas Tech).
I am not a big proponent of a 10-team league. It would cut into our OOC
games...and as a mid-major conference, that is the ONLY way we can show the rest
of the country how competitive we are. If we WERE to expand, we should expand
to 12 teams, which would enable us to have a Conference Champion$hip game
[Las Vegas?], and with divisional games, it won't affect our abilities
to schedule competitive OOC opponents.Tulsa has showed they are good
THIS year. And LAST year. They were also pretty good during the Kragthorpe
era, but he's no longer there. Is their competiveness sustainable? I don't
know. If we expand, to 12 teams, I suggest we take Boise St. and Fresno St.
FIRST, as they have shown to be consistent winners. Let the 12th team be voted
on by the other 11 members.Wyoming and SDSU used to be good teams.
Now they suck, and we as a conference are stuck with them. SMU was solid until
the death penalty. Will June Jones bring them back to prominence? Hawai'i used
to be competitive? Will Tulsa lose THEIR coach too? Mike Price had a good run
Part of being an elite league includes marrying strong academics with strong
athletics. Boise State may have a decent football team, but the school itself is
hardly elite academically. Taking on that school would be a step in the WRONG
direction for the MWC.
If SDSU goes, so does the Pointettia Bowl. It may be a small bowl, but at least
it is a more attractive destination than Boise or New Mexico in the wintertime.
Re: soakblueUNLV is hardly an elite academic institution either, so
adding Boise State is not going to drag the conference down any. Besides, since
when does academic quality have anything to do with big-time college athletics?
It's all about winning, baby, and drawing the revenue.
I think we should bring in USC. Think about it, it makes perfect sense!
Boise State "hardly elite" academically? Subtracting AFA and the Pod People from
Provo from the equation, and which remaining schools in the MWC are "elite"
academically? I love the Utes, great school, but if you've ever seen both
campuses, the schools are clones.Spare me.
we can't even get the MTN or VS in high def. Let's fix up what we have before we
even consider adding anything to this conference. Why would Tulsa want to join
the MWC. If they go undefeated in Football, they still won't go to the national
championship game, so what's the point in moving?
Boise State would become BYU and Utah's second biggest rivalry. It would also
bring a national audience to those games. Boise State is the answer. Not Tulsa.
Fresno State is next after Boise State.
I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF FOOTBALL IN MY LIFE.my first team was a s u for the last
few years i have liked tulsa university i was there in 1991 great team great
year, i have only one thing to say about a move from cusa to mwc. if it keeps
the same quality of fooball. i would watch in any conference cusa, like all
conferences you will have great years and not so good. but one thing i have
found there was a football player by the name of chris penn for tulsa he was
ready for pro football..then on a sunday comeing from church a drunk driver hurt
his legs.played one more game at end of school year never was as good as he had
been.not knowing his exact words but he thanked god and did not blame the drunk
driver,that is true football.
Your commentary is based on one game Tulsa won. Get some depth!
Boise adds nothing - the MWC already has a finesse team in Provo. Bring on
Fresno and the 'anywhere, anytime' guys. They beat up big teams every year -
and they do it with the physical game that impresses the BCS leagues.
I'm all for it! File the adoption papers, we want Tulsa in the MWC!Oh, wait one moment. How does Tulsa feel about it?
I hate to say this but if we add more hard teams we just canibalize ourselves
and no one goes to any bcs-games. MWC is not going to become a BCS conference,
should we yes, but no way the big money people in the east ever let something
like that happen. Having said that if we add more hard teams to the conference
and we just beat each other up more no one goes to any relivant bowl games. The
big conferences can do it because they get an automatic bid but we don't, its
good enough as it is, a couple elite teams-utah, tcu, byu; a couple also rans
nm, af, csu; and a couple bottom feeders-sdsu, wy. This is his how every BCS
conference looks year in and year out, too many top teams and we will regret it.
Here is an idea for you ...Rebirth of the Southwest Conference TulsaTCUHoustonRiceSMUUTEPNew
MexicoNew Mexico StateCUSA is gonna get ravaged by the Big
East so why not form a regional conference ... This is a tight, lotsa bus rides,
cost-efficient conference ...The MWC then becomes a 12-team
leagueBYUUtahAFAWyomingColorado StateBoise StateUNLVNevadaSan Diego StateSan Jose StateFresno StateHawaiiLa Tech goes to CUSA, Idaho and Utah
State go to the Big Sky which where they belong in football, making it a great
FCS conference ... plus you still have the auto berth in MBB for the Aggies to
compete for .. the WAC is basically a one-team NCAA berth anyway ... so why not
the Big Sky ...To me ... this whole thing makes total sense ...And that is why it wont happen ...
Were good for a decent season every four years or so.You can count
on us.Just don't add too many more teams.I can handle
3rd place, but not 5th or 6th in conference.If we could just find a
way to pawn of TCU and BYU, we could win conference every other year. We lose to
BSU, I'm thinking add WSU and USU.
This will never happen. Wasn't the sole purpose for creating the MWC to get away
from this type of insanity? Are all of you too young to remember the 16-member
WAC days with schools like Tulsa, SMU and Rice lumped together with Hawaii, San
Jose and Fresno?Even with a 10-team conference, you shorten your
opportunity to play OOC powers (i.e. BCS conference schools) by a game. Do you
really think adding another school or two to the conference is going to add
legitimacy and appeal to any plea to become a BCS conference? Have you not
considered the Old Boys Club that is the BCS? Do you think they have any
interest in further diluting what they have with anyone else? Do you think
anything short of a legislated playoff system will change that?The
arrogance of the MWC (especially in this part of the country) is astounding. In
this the "greatest year of the MWC," your Sagarin computer rankings are still
where they ALWAYS are, behind ALL 6 BCS conference ratings.MWC: come
back down to earth. Your presidents chose to get away from the conference this
article and all of you respondents propose.
Boise State brings nothing of substance to the table for the current MWC except
a chance to lose additional games year-in and year-out. They offer no
opportunity for recruiting. They offer nothing outside of football. The rest of
their athletic programs are mediocre at best in the WAC. Their academics are not
even up to par with the other institutions in Idaho.Not that I
expect it to happen, but if they were offered, TCU would remain on an island
waiting to be wooed back to CUSA or even the Big 12.Is the MWC
really interested in courting a school so recently a D-II (FCS) member of the
Big Sky? Isn't the current MWC essentially (with the exception of TCU) the
original WAC? Wasn't that the point? Keep the riffraff out. Eight in-conference
games on a yearly basis is almost ideal. If anything, find TCU a partner.Why do you think BSU is so eager to join the MWC? They know their stock
is at an all-time high right now, hoping to pull the football wool over your
eyes before you realize the facade it is. I don't know what value they hold for
Why would BSU want to down grade to the MWC. They excel in the WAC in football
with one BCS and possibility every year to gain another. Fresno St is right
there as well. The WAC has 3 quality teams, more in basketball, and the kicker,
they have the ESPN contract. BSU would be dumb to join the MWC.The WAC
should add UNLV for basketball, then those who complain wont have to worry about
the tourney being in Las Vegas.
BSU would have a larger TV share if more people in Boise owned them facny boxes
with the little people inside.
Rivalries and location are what make the game fun and currently most of the MWC
teams' main rivals are outside of the league.BYU-UtahNew Mexico-New
Mexico state(WAC)Vegas-Reno(Wac)Air Force-Army,Navy(?)SDSU-Fresno(Wac)Wyoming-CSUCSU-BUFS(big 12) ETC.So
what we need is a league where every team has a rival. BYU-UtahUNLV-NevadaSan Jose-FresnoBoise State-HawaiiNew mexico-New
why dont we just add utah and byu to the pac 10 and make it the pac 12. both
utah and byu are top notch programs that are well thought of in the world of
sports. just think of the recruting possibilities if they were pac teams. they
recruite top players now. just think byu and utah in the same breath as usc.
as you know, asu was once in the same league as utah and byu. the utah schools
will not do as asu. they will right off try to put achampianship team on the
Thank you everyone. Since I was the first post on this board, I would like to
thank The MWC fans (and the journalist who wrote the article) for proving my
point... you are sanctimonious. To all those who posted and tried to point out
the flaw in their way of thinking... thank you also.
What a MORON! This guy learned nothing from the past WAC debacle! Adding San
Jose St. 10 million+ metro TV market (not to mention Dallas/SMU etc.) means
nothing when nobody is watching a poor/mediocre program and only 10,000 people
go to the games! Tulsa has a decent team, but nowhere near the stature of BSU.
Also they are a huge draw in Boise/Idaho much like BYU is in Provo. They have
great attendance and full State fan/TV support as the main team to follow in
Idaho. Tulsa has no such tradition and not nearly the support with OK And OK
state taking all the Oklahoma media attention leaving Tulsa to be the underdog
like USU fighting for attention here in Utah. Also, Boise is FAR CLOSER and
would be WAY cheaper in travel costs for ALL MWC teams except TCU, so that
argument is also CRAP! ALSO, BSU is a natural & close rivalry that would bring
out more fans, who really cares about Tulsa! MINIMAL Rivalry Potential!For any idiot thinking the Conference USA (& WAC) is equal to the MWC, check
the Sargarin & similar unbiased national computer polls, they haven never been
even close as a conference!
I think it is hilarious to read the value placed on one team or an others TV
market. What does it matter if the market can't see the games? The MWC is equal
to the WAC at best, why would Tulsa or Boise want to make a lateral move for
less TV exposure? Now that the "mighty" cougars lost to the only decent team
they played they are finished nationally. Utah looks like a good team but they
could fall to TCU or BYU and then MWC is just mediocre once again.
If the MWC wants to strengthen its basketball program, it should definitely try
to woo TULSA.In the last 12 years, Tulsa has gone to the Sweet
Sixteen 4 times, the Elite 8 once, won the NIT Championship and won the CIB
Championship.Boise brings nothing to the table in basketball, except
another mediocre mid-major team.
Add Tulsa.Drop Wyoming.Add Fresno State.Drop
UNLV.Don't even think about adding Boise. What a disaster that
would be (in terms of basketball, T.V. viewership, academics and reputation).
Do Boise fans really like their blue field? I don't think there's anything more
obnoxious in all of sports. I have yet to talk to one person that likes it (I
don't know any BSU fans personally). I've thought it was pretty bad for years
and then this year I upgraded to HD! The five minutes I watched of the
BSU/Hawaii game last week gave me a headache!
Absolutely not.....worst thing the conference could do at this point in time
would be to add teams....exchange teams yes, but not to go to 10. Boise State
replacing a doormat MWC team would be a logical geographically and SOS
selection. An even better scenario would be to drop to an 8 team conference and
adding one additional out of conference game for each remaining member team with
the "looking to the future" concept of snaring additional BCS opponents.
Returning to a 9 or going to 10 after a few years of hopeful improvement in SOS
would always be possible. Let's do something smart for a change and give the
conference additional slots for BCS opponents. Don't Benson this Commissioner
like the fiasco in the old WAC.
For having such a lousy TV contract, the pay is too good. The Mountain West
really can't expand.I suspect, barring a miracle of an interest
shift, the next contract won't be as lucrative. Then all bets are off. I
wonder, should the economy continue its current trek, if there won't be some
sort of geography-based entrenchment throughout non-BCS schools and perhaps a
few levels down from there.All else doesn't matter.
There is not a single basketball program in the MWC that can compete with
Memphis. None . Zero. I cannot believe the author of this article forgot Memphis
was in C-USA .
The Mountain West Conference has a great name and logo, let's keep em forever.
The MWC should add a new team and eventually, perhaps a total of 3.BYU and
Utah, this is where they belong.Air Force and Colorado State, fine
traditions, very good teams representing Colorado and the Mountain West.Wyoming and New Mexico, both bring well seasoned rivalries and delicious
recipes to every land in the MWC, we need em.UNLV and SDSU, UNLV has great
basketball tradition and adds some mighty good flavor. SDSU has a good
stadium.TCU, I really like the horny toads purple colors and mascot. It
was a coup for the MWC to get TCU, they are very good competition.Thus
far, we have 7 states representing the MWC.The 10th MWC invitee should
probably be Boise State, a great football program and school with flair (blue
turf). Indeed, they are fan favorites the nation over. Besides, they are located
in Idaho, a perfect fit for the Mountain West.
Tulsa has no interest in moving to the Mountain West. Tulsa would be better
suited to move east to the Big East (as rumor has it along with Memphis) or to
the ACC. Whatever they do they have outgrown CUSA and need some better
competition. It is not in the Mountain West..they need to move up - not
Washington Times reported a similar story last week about how the BIG EAST
should invite Memphis and Tulsa to join its conference.I guess its
that time of the year when conferences are getting a little ancy and looking for
ways to improve.
For heaven's sake, please do not invite Boise into our conference. Football
program has only been "good" for a few years. They do not have a proven track
record.Boise's basketball program is terrible and would hurt the MWC
immediately if they were allowed to join. Plus, the biggest negative is that
Boise is in Idaho.Enough said.
Tulsa? Seriously? The same Tulsa that was a bottomfeeder in the WAC? The same
Tulsa that moved to a weak CUSA conference, and overnight was successful?Hilarious. Tulsa would be another UNLV in the MWC.
Tulsa going to the Big East! God forbid! That would be a terrible idea, for
all the reasons I posted earlier about moving to the MWC. It would kill Tulsa's
recruiting success in LA, TX, AR, and OK. Besides, the Big East is hardly a
step up from CUSA. Who leads the Big East? - Pitt. To whom did they lose (at
home!) this year? Bowling Green! -the same team Tulsa destroyed 63-7 last year
in the GMAC Bowl. With the new, extremely talented coaches who have recently
come into CUSA, there is a better chance of CUSA becoming a solid football
conference than there is of the Big East becoming one again. Living in Ohio, I
see Big East games all the time. Only one Big East team - Cincinnati - could
compete against Tulsa. ALL the others would be blown out just like CUSA teams
have been this year. The Big East is so bad they should (and probably will) lose
their automatic BCS bid.
Tulsa or Boise wou;d be a good fit for expansion, I Would rather see TU stay in
CUSA and raise the level of play there. CUSA has an exciting future.And
there are mountains in Oklahoma.
Tulsa join the MWC, don't think so! They were bitten once while in the WAC,Bred
'em Young, Colo. State, etc. bolted the WAC to form the Elite?????? Mountains
Worst Conference! Tulsa wouldn't want to lower itself to join a bunch of
renegades in the MWC. Last year Tulsa beat that elite, superior BYU and this
year waced the Lowblows. Except for Air Farce, Tulsa outfanks any other team
academically in the Mountains Worst Conference. You braggarts get what you
sow!! Tulsa would never lower itself to rejoin any of you defectors!! Hell,
Utah had a player, Gabe Long, who couldn't qualify at Arizona,yet he was
admitted to the Newts! Shows what a quality school the Neuters are!!!!!!!!
MWC better than CUSA? Don't think so, Memphis was in final 2 in blackball, and
Tuls won the CBI. Where did the Mountains Worst Conference finish??????? Tulsa
was assailed as a non-compete by some of the superior, elite defectors from the
WAC. Well, who are the non-competesm now? Tulsa 56 UNM7in football this year!
Must be depressing thinking your school is so superior and elite, yet getting
your butt handed to you. The defectors from the WMC should try to get the Big
Sky to take them in!!!! The "superiority" of Colo State, UNM, Neuters and Breed
'em Young was all in their head!!!!!
Man what is wrong with you? BSU is always in the top 25 and check out how often
we have been on ESPN the last 5-7 years. You want to add Tulsa because they put
up 77 points on UTEP? I seriously hope they do get added and then just get
killed. BSU has never lost to a MWC team so it would be nice to beat up on
Tulsa as well.
Utah is too good to be in the MWC - just ask their fans. Drop Utah and add
Colorado. Utah can be an independent like ND. GO usc TROJANS!
Poster #150 ... Shadow Knows ... I hope that you simply made a typo when you
referred to basketball as "blackball" in your comments. The world does not need
racism in this day and age so I sincerely hope that was not your intention.
People of all colors and races play basketball the last time I looked and it is
one of the world's greatest sports because of that diversity. If you only made a
typo, well, forgive my overreaction.
it NEEDS to be 12 teams with a title game. It needs to look like a bcs
conference. Sadly, there will be no pac 10 invite for byu or utah and the big
12 isn't going to call tcu either. Boise is needed for football
respectability sake, and fresno because of the market. The third team should
either be Nevada or Tulsa. Nevada would do it in a heartbeat but i don't know
if Tulsa would. anyway, just my two opinion.