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  • you are sanctimonious
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:14 a.m.

    Why are the MWC fans so sanctimonious? Your statement that the MWC is better at basketball than CUSA is very debateable. Are you forgetting that Memphis is a member of CUSA? And who says you are better at football? True, the polls might say the MWC is better right now, but all sports considered from the top to bottom teams, and year in and year out I would take CUSA. I have an idea. Why not take SMU for all the same reasons in the article? We both know the answer to that question. Because you think you are too good for them.

  • hmmm
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:24 a.m.

    This conference is called the MOUNTAIN WEST right? last time i checked Oklahoma nor texas were neither very mountainous so it doesnt really make too much sense for either teams...just a thought

  • Deja vu
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:05 a.m.

    About 15 years ago the WAC got the wild idea that expansion was a great thing. It invited a bunch of teams to the league and became unwieldy. Some of the original teams of the WAC realized it had gotten out of control and formed the MWC. The MWC already added TCU for access to the Dallas TV market. Is it really the smartest move to repeat recent history and add teams, no matter how good the fit seems to be?

  • re:sanctimonious
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:24 a.m.

    That's cool that you feel that way, but to say CUSA is better in all sports top to bottom is a joke. Lets take out football and baskeball like you said. BYU is tops in the nation in many sports such as swimming, gymnastics, baseball, volleyball, soccer, track and field, cross-country, golf, tennis, etc. Utah is very good in gymnastics, volleyball, soccer. TCU in very good in baseball; UNLV in golf; SDSU baseball; CSU Volleyball, it goes on and on. And then you add in that we are always better in football and traditionally better in basketball (count up the NIT champs, NCAA champs, NCAA appearances, players sent to the NBA from CUSA and just compare them to Utah, BYU and UNLV and you will find you are lacking greatly.) So all in all you are way off the mark, and just like SMU we don't want Tulsa either, we left them both 10 years ago for a reason.

  • HMMMM
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:08 a.m.

    THERE IS NO MOUNTAINS IN FORT WORTH ALSO

  • rvalens2
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:14 a.m.

    Since we're fantasizing ... my suggestion.

    Drop San Diego State and add Fresno State, Boise State, Hawaii and Tulsa.

    I've always liked the idea of adding Boise State to the Mountain West. They're a natural fit for the league. If the Mountain West took both BSU, Fresno and Hawaii, we would be gutting the WAC of its three best football teams. Bye, bye WAC.

    That would give us a legitimate shot at gaining an automatic BCS tie-in for the league champion. It would also give us a chance to get out of that lousy contract with the MTN network and back on ESPN.

    With 12 teams, we could have two divisions and a league championship game between the two division champions.

    The only drawback is not all the teams could play each other every year. How to break down the league?

    WEST DIVISION
    Boise State
    Fresno State
    UNLV
    Hawaii
    Utah
    BYU

    EAST DIVISiON
    Wyoming
    Air Force
    Colorado State
    New Mexico
    TCU
    Tulsa

    Now that would be a tough league; especially in football!

    Hawaii, Fresno State and Boise State have all expressed interest in the Mountain West. Tulsa is the only question mark. A good fit though.

  • Minerman
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:39 a.m.

    First of all, by just about any measure, the MWC is better than CUSA. More trips to the basketball final four, more gymnastics titles, more of just about everything (and we do have the only non-bcs team to ever win a national title, AND the first team to bust the BCS, not to mention thre teams in the top 20 this year, and 5 bowl eligible teams almost every year, so stop whining, and go away).
    As for this being the MOUNTAIN WEST, as you say, San Diego State? TCU? That's almost 25% of the conference coming from OUTSIDE the MOUNTAIN WEST. Tulse would be a great addition, as would Boise State. Heck, Add them both and that would make the MWC a legit, SCARY conference on par with just about anyone. Imagine that for a sec. Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise, Tulsa, Air Force, and a hopefully on the rise Colorado State, mixed with the usually bowl eligible New Mexico! Bring on the ACC with a conference like that!!! Never gonna happen, but seriously, wouldn't that be a fantastic football conference?

  • No
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:49 a.m.

    Instead of talking about who should join MWC, the Utes and Cougars should be talking to someone about how they can join another conference. The MWC is going no where. The teams at the top will always be victims of a poor conference. The TV situation is horrendous. I don't care if we finish in the middle of the PAC10 every year, at least there would be the possibility of a national championship and we would be able to watch our team on TV every week. Imagine that!

  • Minerman
    Oct. 20, 2008 5:30 a.m.

    Conference USA has 75% of its teams with losing records, and only 1 team better than 4-3. The MWC better than 50% of its teams at or above .500, and three ranked in the top 20, including 2 in the top 15. Explain to me how CUSA is a better conference, cause I can't figure out where you came up with that hum-dinger of a claim. You lose Tulsa, and you don't have a single team over 4-3 in a conference that has 12 teams! Please, make intelligent posts. If you're going to make outrageous claims, at least have SOME statistical basis for it. Seriously, not only 1 team out of 12 with a record better than 4-3? that's just sad. That's worse than the MAC. The only conference that is WORSE than CUSA is the Sun Belt Conference. And they're one win away from matching CUSA's ineptitude.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 5:36 a.m.

    If we could only get rid of SDSU I'd be all for grabbing Tulsa and Boise St.

  • Matt
    Oct. 20, 2008 6:19 a.m.

    Great Idea. I live in Tulsa and it is a good school with a great athletic department and community support. I would also love to have BYU come to town on a regular basis.

  • Truth
    Oct. 20, 2008 6:44 a.m.

    Boise i s much more consistent than Tulsa.

  • ditto NO
    Oct. 20, 2008 6:52 a.m.

    BYU should be looking for a decent conference to join, patching the MWC won't help.

  • CougarKeith
    Oct. 20, 2008 6:57 a.m.

    While I agree with you, the fact is Conference USA isn't that good of a Conference! Rather than expand to a 10 team Conference why not 12 or 14? Invite Boise State, and Fresno State as well? Then you have 12, add Utah State and Hawaii for kicks potentially, divide into TWO CONFERENCES have a Championship Game and winner gets a BCS game, all you have to do is get it approved through the BCS! Why not, it would help alleviate half the squabbling going on now about the BCS! I say we go for it!!!

    Provided we dump "The Mountain" channel or go national with it! It's still killing our exposure! Also get rid of the Conference President!!! He is an idiot for getting us the Vegas Bowl to begin with as a Auto-bid for the MW Champion to face a 4th or 5th place PAC 10 team! What a jerk!!!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:05 a.m.

    Expansion to the east ... yeah, yeah, this is making sense.

    Why don't we also add UTEP? And Rice and SMU?

    And, naturally, Fresno St., San Jose St., and Hawaii, just to balance it out.

    This will be a great idea 12 years ago.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:14 a.m.

    I agree. The last time Utah played Tulsa, the Utes won.
    The last time the coogs played Tulsa, Tulsa won so it is a perfect fit.

  • Name Change
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:20 a.m.

    MMWC - Mostly Mountain West Conf.

  • true blue
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:31 a.m.

    YOu don't want to drop SDSU they are in a big market city. We could drop wyoming. They are awful. What's their television market 100,121st just right behind the north pole. Absolutely no benefit to having wyoming.

  • b-rad
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:38 a.m.

    Tulsa is at the foothills of the ozarks, and it is west of the mississippi, at least. More mountainous than Ft. Worth, for sure. Not a terrible fit.

  • John
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:43 a.m.

    As a Tulsa fan, we don't need the MWC, don't want the MWC. It's all yours. Very happy with CUSA. Have 4 schoools within a reasonable driving distance, not including some fun spots like Orlando and New Orleans to visit. We recruit Texas and Arkansas heavily and moving to the MWC is not a huge recruiting tool. Instead, Maybe CUSA should keep asking TCU to join CUSA and look to improve our conference.

  • Awful idea!
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:43 a.m.

    The MWC has scrapped for 10 years now to undo the damage done to the WAC when it expanded, the last thing we need is to bring more uncertainty into the picture. Leave things alone, expansion is not needed. This season is drawing a lot of attention, so why dilute the percentage of MWC teams that are ranked??? Why not try to add a school like Fresno then? If you're looking at population they've got Tulsa beat.

  • Boise
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    Apparently Mike Sorenson has forgotten what a bummer it was to have to alternate years between playing rivals in the league schedule. The 12 WAC didn't work, from perspective, largely for this reason. We could go 2 years and not play air force for example. You never knew who you were going to play year in and year out. You might miss a great matchup because of this kind of schedule. For this reason, I don't believe that our league should expand beyond its current 9-team configuration. Also, in an era of exploding energy costs, why would we expand our conference to include more far flung opponents? Frankly, we should consider dropping TCU and picking up Boise State. I understand the recruiting implications. But, I also understand that there is going to be a paradigm shift in college football and its going to involve the exploding costs of running these programs. Having larger and more unruly conferences is not going to be the answer.

  • Tulsa TV market?
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:58 a.m.

    Uh, hello?! Look how close Tulsa is to Stillwater, and then to Norman. It doesn't matter how big Tulsa is, 50% of the residents are Oklahome State fans and 50% are Oklahoma fans. NOBODY is a Tulsa fan. They are, and will always be, a minor league team in Oklahoma to OU and OSU.

    Adding Tulsa to try to gain the Tulsa, Ok City, or broader Oklahoma TV market is just foolish.

    You really need to do your research to understand the market dynamics.

  • Expand to 12 teams only if...
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:02 a.m.

    they would be guaranteed a BCS bowl. With 12 teams they could have a conference championship game to earn some money and then the guaranteed BCS bowl. Otherwise it makes NO sense or cents.

    What three teams would I recommend adding? Boise State, Fresno State, and Tulsa... in that order.

  • Tulsa ranked higher than MWC?
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    Tulsa ranked higher academically than ALL Mountain West schools academically? I don't think so.

    The writer forgot to mention the the Mountain West has one of the elite academic instutions in the country, the US Air Force Academy.

    The Air Force Academy may not be in the rankings that were referred to because they do not offer graduate programs. But I guarantee you that the Air Force Academy ranks higher than Tulsa and all other MWC schools academically for undergraduate programs.

  • Boise State Is The Better Fit...
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    I understand the argument regarding Tulsa, with media markets what they are, but Boise State is a better fit.
    No, Boise is not on the same level in terms of population and TV market, but Tulsa is not exactly a juggernaut. Much of the Oklahoma market is focused on OU and Oklahoma State, not to mention the Big-12. Tulsa's inclusion into the MWC will not change that.
    Boise State has already established itself as a solid, consistent, winning program. Despite the lack of media market, BSU is very visible on the national scene.
    Boise State lends itself as a natural rival to essentially every team in the MWC, with the exception of SDSU and TCU. SDSU is what it is, but TCU is making serious noise as a rival by nature of their success.
    Boise State fans fill their stadium and would travel in high numbers for MWC games, especially given the proximity.
    A top tier including BYU, Utah, BSU and TCU would legitimize the MWC in a way that no other non-BCS conferences could claim. Tulsa would not have the same impact.

  • ute fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    We already expanded once in the WAC. It was a disaster and we had to leave and make a new conference. Just keep it how it is.

  • Gretzky
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    Hmmmm's idea is awesome. get rid of the WAC and let those teams that still exist combine with CUSA into an at large conference with the sunbelt league and then the MWC can have an automactic BSC tie in before we as a united states of america can force a legally mandated playoff system. with fewer conferences we could have a smaller playoff system. great idea.

  • RE:COURGARKEITH
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    I AGREE WITH YOU A 100%. IF ANY COMPANY EXEC. OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD MADE THAT MANY UNPRODUCTIVE MISTAKES HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEIR WALKING PAPERS A LONG TIME AGO.

  • Some Dude
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:29 a.m.

    I'm not seeing how dropping SDSU would be better than dropping Wyoming. If you want to drop somebody, drop the Pokes. They can go back to the WAC

  • Add California
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:33 a.m.

    I would agree with many posts here. Yes we should expand to 12 if the effort guarantees a BCS bid. In that case add BSU, Tulsa, and Fresno State. We need to keep SDSU for both the TV and recruiting market and add another school in CA for the same reasons. BSU would strengthen the schedule as they are consistently good, and Tulsa makes sense as you have read. If we don't get the auto bid, I think a one team expansion is the best for now. In that case leave out BSU and bring Tulsa or Fresno.

  • Forgetful
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:37 a.m.

    MWC cannot "drop" any school. The terms of signing on is that schools must voluntarily leave. You can't kick anyone out.

  • utesfan100
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:41 a.m.

    I am a STRONG supporter of a 3 team expansion including Boise State, Fresno State and Tulsa and using the contenental divide for the East-West divisions. If the PAC 10 ever expands, Nevada and Hawaii would be available to fill the gaps.

    A 12 team conference model is employed by 5 of the 11 FBC conferences, including the SEC, BIG 12 and ACC.

    A google search of BCS Eligibility will link to the official BCS site, the bottom of which lists the criterion used to determine future automatic qualifications for conferences.

    2005-2008 results using 2008 conference memebrs will be used to determine AQ's for 2009. The MWC does not have a chance at gaining one, but the Big East has a slight risk of losing its.

    If expansion can be accomplished by next year, or even just having Boise State next year with Fresno State and Tulsa joining the following year, the MWC would be set up nicely for consideration of automatic qualifications for 2010 and 2011.

  • Drop Wyoming
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    There is nothing good about having UW in the conference. They can keep their "Boarder War" with CSU after getting kicked out, but there in nothing worthwhile about them in the conference.

  • re: Drop Wyoming
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    I meant "Border War" not "Boarder War," I need another cup of coffee!

  • re hmmm
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:44 a.m.

    then why is Louisiana tech in the WAC, and why are Arizona and ASU in the PAC-10? Last time I checked, the pacific ocean didn't stretch that far inland.

  • Tim
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:46 a.m.

    Tulsa will never join the MWC. In recent years, we have discovered how to recruit. Most of the great Tulsa players now are from Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. In order to recruit in those states, we have to play a lot of games in those states. I hope CUSA gets stronger (it is really bad in football) but it is a good fit for us. The WAC was not, because it killed recruiting. Joining the MWC would just repeat that fiasco.

  • BC
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    I do not think TCU or Tulsa make any sense in the MWC? TCU should replace Baylor in the Big 12 and Tulsa should stay right where it is. Baylor should join CUSA.

    Fresno, Utah St. and Boise would make a lot more sense in the MWC.

  • wyo
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    won't have the enrollment to stay D1 for long.

  • SML-PDX
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:53 a.m.

    Tulsa? No way. That's going to add respect to the MWC? Not! Boise St. would be a much better choice. Hey, I have even a better idea: let Utah and BYU go to the PAC-10. The "PAC-1" needs some help.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    Drop SDSU and Wyoming, add BSU and Fresno St. Done deal.

  • C
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:06 a.m.

    Tulsa wouldn't want to go to the MWC? Are you kidding me? If the MWC had a BCS auto-bid, Tulsa would beg the MWC for admittance.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    MWC doesn't need any more teams. For one thing, there aren't any mountains in Oklahoma, so how can they be part of the Mountain West.

  • Bad call
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:17 a.m.

    nobody outside of the city of Tulsa cares about Tulsa. It would be a horrible move. The entire state of Oklahoma only cares about the Sooners, and that won't change.

  • TX Fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    Tulsa is too far East to be even considered for the MWC. Save time, fuel and effort and forget about Tulsa.

  • OhioBYUFan
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:26 a.m.

    I believe that rvalens2 has the correct (fantasy) projection of the MWC. Let me repeat it here:

    To have a strong conference with 12 teams that would be recognized by the BCS. The only drawback is not all the teams could play each other every year. How to break down the league?

    WEST DIVISION
    Boise State
    Fresno State
    UNLV
    Hawaii
    Utah
    BYU

    EAST DIVISION
    Wyoming
    Air Force
    Colorado State
    New Mexico
    TCU
    Tulsa

    Each year (in football) every team could play nine games between both divisions and three non-conference teams. ANd every year, they could rotate who they play. Let's see if the commish can make this happen.

  • Drop BYU
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    I think the MWC should drop BYU and add USC. That would bring respectability back to the league and would probably be as possible as adding Tulsa. I love the arrogance--every team spoken of would just love to join the MWC. While we're at it, why don't we extend an offer to Texas, Florida, and Ohio State. We could just drop Wyoming, Colorado State, and New Mexico to let them in and it would be fantastic watching Florida play Texas every single year--not to mention Ohio State vs. USC. Now that would be a great MWC!

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    "If" the MWC does expand I hope its Tulsa or SMU not Fresno or USU.

    Preferably, SMU which might bring some more of the Dallas/Ft worth TV market.

    How 'bout getting rid of San Diego St for SMU?

  • It's the Song
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    Nobody's mentioned Tulsa's great fight song yet. That alone is reason for MWC membership, right?

  • AZ Cougar
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    Tulsa - NO!
    Hawaii - NO!
    Fresno - NO!

    Sounds like vestiges of the old WAC are rising up from the grave. Well, it is THAT time of the year, with Halloween and all. The MWC Commissioner needs to put a stake in the heart of that idea.

  • Cosmo
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    Tulsa's endowment dwarfs all of the MWC schools. Tulsa's endowment is around 1 billion dollars.

    Tulsa's endowment is more than New Mexico, Colorado State, San Diego, Wyoming and BYU's combined.

    Academically it would not be a good fit for Tulsa.

  • Give it a rest
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    Who cares about the WAC and CUSA. The MWC needs to worry about their own problems like better recruiting. Better exposure. Maybe winning against strong opponents would be nice too!! More teams is not the answer. Better play is the answer.

  • Boise State- NO!
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    USU- YES!

    Look how they beat BYU in the fourth quarter. USU is the team that makes sense.

  • Why Tulsa!
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    The biggest reason I like Tulsa is that they are a quality program but more importantly they would make a natural rival for TCU. Currently TCU has no natural rival so who gets the big target? Us, of course. We have enough problems dealing with Utah we don't need two of them. Of course if we did do this we would have to get rid of another team or go to a 12 team league. Neither of those are going to happen, so the suggestion is moot anyways.

  • Gougarfang
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    Pleeease..No more adding teams. The MWC has one 2many. More teams would cause the MWC non-conference playing time. I'm thinking..drop one team, that'll give the MWC 4 non-conference games, or BYU and twin brother UTES find a better conference. Just a thought........since we're all thinking out loud.

  • Ratman
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    Please. Now is not the time to expand the MWC. Leave it alone at nine teams.

    Conference affiliations are driven by football money, primarily from TV markets. For that reason, and for recruiting the SoCal area, dropping SDSU would be sheer stupidity.

    BSU has a great football program, but although growing, its market size still doesn't justify its inclusion, UNLESS its BCS rating would guarantee the MWC an automatic qualifier. Fans all have their opinions, but the conferences will always follow the $$$.

    [As an aside, the article's arguments make more of a case for adding the Universtiy of Houston.]

  • Sports fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:14 a.m.

    USU will not be joining the MWC, so forget that ever happening. Other than basketball, it would not be competitive in most sports with even the mediocre teams in the MWC. USU football can barely compete at Division I level and if things don't change in the next few years, will likely be forced to drop to what was formerly called Division I-AA. Besides, I don't think the conference wants three conference teams in the same TV market.

  • There ARE mountains in Oklahoma
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    You people are really ignorant. Oklahoma is home to our country's oldest mountain range, the Wichita Mountains. So if mountains are a qualifier, a team from Oklahoma is in. Don't believe me? Go google it!

  • Drop Wyoming
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:28 a.m.

    The best thing for the conference would be to drop Wyoming and allow the rest of the teams to play another non-conference game every year.

    How close is Wyoming dropping out of D-I eligibility?

  • Resurrect the old expanded WAC?
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    Add Fresno? Add Tulsa? Add a Houston team (Rice)? Add Hawaii?

    Horrible ideas. Focus on increasing the quality of the conference by improving the TV coverage and TV contracts. For example, why the heck was the BYU-TCU game on Versus? Who?! Versus!!

  • True Blue
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    Why don't we just raid the BIG 12?

    We could drop Wyoming and add Oklahoma or Oklahoma State.

    We could drop New Mexico and add Texas.

    Let's drop Colorado State and add Texas A&M or Nebraska.

  • Better Suggestion
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:33 a.m.

    Here is a much better suggestion for BYU. Join the the BIG 12!!

  • Hmmm...
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:36 a.m.

    I think that from a credibility standpoint, Boise State would make a much better addition to the MWC. If Wyoming wasn't such a traditional rival to several of the MWC schools (BYU, Utah, Colorado State), it would be great to swap them for Fresno State.

  • Reality
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    From the Princeton Revew:

    Tulsa's student to faculty ratio is 7 to 1.
    Tulsa's endowment is 1.3 billion.
    Tulsa's student body is 2,400.

    BYU's student to faculty ration is 29 to 1.
    BYU's endowment is 239 million.
    BYU's student body is 32,000.

    Academically, it looks like Tulsa would not be a good fit to the MWC. I'm always in favor of adding schools to the MWC, but Tulsa is much better academically than the MWC and would not want to join for that reason.

  • Like it
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:44 a.m.

    Interesting article. I wouldn't mind seeing a little deeper conference. I would like to see Boise as well. The credibility of the MWC would rise dramatically in the eyes of the world. But... we would need to drop some of the doormats like Wyoming and SDSU.

    Then...maybe replace the lowly Big East and get an automatic BCS bid.

  • R.B. EYE
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:11 a.m.

    The only way BYU will ever get to a BCS game is if they join the BIG 12.

  • Chad
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    Bottom line is this. Unless the BCS powers that be guaruntee the Mountain West an automatic BCS bid before they expand, it is not going to happen. And since the BCS is not likley to do that any time soon it isn't going to happen. As we only get table scraps as it is why share those scraps with any other dogs. Get into the BCS and then expand to a 12 team conferance with a championship game and 2 divisions.

  • crowtonlover
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    after this season Utah should leave this pathetic conference and join the Pac-10. BYU can be our opening slaughter game every season just like a division 2 team.

  • grindcro
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:29 a.m.

    Tulsa isn't up to snuff academically to join the MWC. Boise St. is even worse.

  • SD fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:34 a.m.

    DROP WYOMING AND AIR FORCE---THEY BELONG IN THE WAC AND ADD TULSA, FRESNO ST. AND BOISE ST. San Diego is your biggest market and these days its about market exposure folks.

  • Utefan
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:39 a.m.

    Truth is that the MWC needs an infusion of big spenders and there is a bad team that has recently proven that it is ready to dumb money into its sports and that normally that leads to great improvement. SMU is the traditional rival of TCU, its in a large market, and with almost unlimited potential. I have never been an SMU fan but they have tradition and money. That is where the MWC should be looking, not small markets like Fresno State, Boise State, and Tulsa. Those three teams long term outlook is mediocre while the long term outlook for the added TCU and the needed SMU is prosperous. Plus, we already have Texas Christian and Bringham Young (Mormon), lets bring in Southern Methodist; that should make things even more interesting for conference rivalries.

  • Mark in Peoria
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:42 a.m.

    Why would Tulsa have joined C-USA in 2005 if academics was such a disqualifier? Sure Rice and UAB are solid academically, but UTEP and UCF? Come on.

    I don't think the MWC should expand, but if they do BSU would be the better fit. Then New Mexico and TCU could be conference buddies. That would pair up AFA with BSU and keep Wyoming with CSU.

    Remember adding 3 teams to give 12 would mean a conference championship game and one more opportunity for the top teams to lose. I think that's why the ACC has struggled so much. They beat each other up and are without clear favorites (Until FSU and Miami regain the prominence).

  • Coug
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:49 a.m.

    Tulsa and Boise St are both very dangerous for the Mtn. West. Yes they would be good to add now but what about in 5 years. What happens when both of those schools get buried in the middle of the Mtn. West and lose their prestige as non-BCS schools? How are they supposed to build up a program when they are always in the middle. Talk to New Mexico and CSU fans about recruting when they always end up in the middle. I still question the longetivity of success of both Tulsa and BSU if positioned in the Mtn West.

  • Daeyel
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:50 a.m.

    Proposed:

    That the Mountain West Conference trade SDSU, University of Wyoming, and UNLV to the Western Athletic Conference for BSU, Fresno State, and University of Nevada-Reno.

    The MWC immediately gains 3 competitive teams that fill out the roster, The league is tough from top to bottom. It can claim a stake in the BCS over the ACC and the Big East.

    The WAC gains more balance, with the 2 dominant teams, BSU and Fresno St. moving up. Wyoming, UNLV and SDSU are immediately competitive, which is better for the athletes, the fans and the programs as far as dollar revenue from ticket sales, and bowl eligibility. Recruiting will also be easier. (Except for Wyoming)

    MWC loses the SD market, but gains the Orange County market. Loses Las Vegas, which was a home game for the Rebels in the MWC basketball tournament.

    Fresno State adds baseball relevancy, as well.

    Its a win for the schools, a win for the fans, a win for the athletes, and a win for both conferences.

  • James
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:55 a.m.

    Why would Boise wan't to join the MWC? Ask yourself, would you rather be televised on ESPN or the Mtn? The WAC has the better exposure nationally. BSU is too good for the MWC. So is Tulsa for that matter. Of course if BSU joined, BYU and Utah wouldn't be the top dogs in football ever again. BSU has even beat BYU in basketball recently. BSU joining would mean the end of BYU supremecy!

  • Too much lost $
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    Will not work- BYU and Utah would then have to split all the money they make with the Las Vegas, Humanitarin, and all the other big paying bowls that this BCS system provides. Instead of sharing the $1,000 9 ways they will have to split it 10 ways. Simply won't work. Plus BYU would not be able to schedule E. Wash, E. Ill., or N. Iowa. They would be lost.

  • Bob
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    NO WAY WILL THE PAC 10 ALLOW BYU OR ANY OTHER TEAM ENTER THE CONFERENCE. THE SCHOOL PRESIDENTS WOULD NOT WANT TO SPLIT POTENTIAL BOWL GAME PROFITS AMONG TWO OTHER TEAMS. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

  • thomarn
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    Change name to South West Conference secure Cotton Bowl for another BCS game. Secure Holiday for Runner Up. Secure Las Vegas for third. Target with BCS nod to add two/three of these: A&M, Colorado, Kansas, Arkansas, AZ, AZ State, Mo

    WEST
    Boise
    Utah
    TCU
    BYU
    Hawaii

  • MADRYBEG
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    re:Boise

    What is not to be forgotten in this mix is to remember that the old WAC before the MWC/WAC split was 16 teams not 12! It was a joke. 12 is manageable. I would love to leave the MWC the way it is, add Tulsa, Boise St, and Fresno St. That would be the best for the conference....oh, and dumping the The Mtn. It is not EVEN IN HD!!! It only gets ratings because WE HAVE TO WATCH IT!

  • Rick78
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:31 p.m.

    BYU should go INDEPENDENT, like ND. We have the national fan base, we have BYUTV, we have the historical tradition, and we can keep ALL of the bowl $.

  • 12 Not 10,
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    I think the idea of adding a tenth team to the MWC is a bad idea. That means nine conference games each year (which is an imbalance with home and road conference games) and would subtract a nonconference game from everyone's schedule. The MWC needs those nonconference games against other big conferences to win notoriety and respect and will be necessary if the MWC is ever to get an automatic qualification into a BCS bowl. I like the idea of expanding, but to add three top tier non-BCS teams and have two divisions of six teams each. Each teams plays all five of the other teams in their division plus three other-division opponents and then maintains a slate of four OOC games, and an end-of-season conference championship game, just like the Big 12, SEC and ACC do it.

  • Sid Vicious
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    There are credible rumours out there that BYU may be getting an invite from the BIG 12, once they drop Baylor.

  • Dear Boise
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:45 p.m.

    If you had a two division Conference, you would play EVERYONE IN YOUR CONFERENCE + 3 of the other conference teams, this would give you a 8 game conference schedule. You would know who you play because you would alternate the 3 Other Division Games every other YEAR. This is what the Big 12 does, and it works GREAT!!! UTAH, BYU, and Boise State would be in the same Division, and you would have Tulsa, TCU, New Mexico, in the other division. Wyoming, Colorado State and Air Force too. With The BYU, Utah, Boise State division you would also have Fresno St. San Diego State and UNLV. This would be an excellent Conference! BYU vs Utah and Boise State and Fresno St. and SDSU and UNLV would play every YEAR, and each of these teams would play 3 of the other DIVISION Teams every OTHER YEAR alternating Home & Away games. It makes perfect sense! Then you have a Championship Game for the two Division Champions and the winner would hopefully get a BCS birth! You would rotate the Conference Championship between School Fields every year or go with best record get's home advantage although I like Neutral SITE!

  • I <3 blue turf
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    BSU going to the MWC? Yes. Let's do it! It means we can finally not have to play the Vandals! (No offense here Idaho, but we just get tired of hosting you just to be insulted by your really infantile fans each year as we beat you!) TV coverage? I've got two in the house. How about if I promist to turn them both on (jk!) Recruiting? Those arguments are totally silly! Did you know BSU only has a tiny handful of Idaho residents on the roster? We always laugh that "Our Calfornians are beating Their Californians" at games each week. C'mon. You cannot believe that a team just recruits primarily from their own state or geographical area. Seriously - look at our roster and where everyone's from. My favorite kid out there, Kyle Wilson, is from New Jersey for God's sake! We'd love to go to the MWC! (And you'll learn to love our blue field!)

  • Re: James
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Boise State and Tulsa are too good for the MWC? How do you figure? Did you not realize that the MWC has more ranked teams in the top-20 (three) than the WAC and Conference USA combined (two)? In fact the MWC has just as many ranked in the top-25 as all the other non-BCS conferences combined, including independants!

  • Provo is my Home
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    I just looked at Tulsa basketball record for the last 15 years. It is pretty impressive. NIT Championship. Several trips to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen and an impressive record when it comes to tournament victories. There is no other MWC, besides the Utes, that has a better basketball record.

    I'm not sure Tulsa would want to join the MWC, but I would be in favor if Tulsa does want to join.

  • MWC=Mississippi West Con
    Oct. 20, 2008 12:57 p.m.

    VOID THE MOUNTAIN WEST CONFERENCE ALTOGETHER!!! START NEW with Two Divisions:

    EAST: 1.Tulsa, 2.TCU, 3.New-Mexico, 4.Air-Force 5.Wyoming, 6. Colorado-State.
    WEST: 1.BYU, 2.Utah, 3.Boise-St. 4.Fresno-St. 5.SDSU, 6.UNLV

    Each Team Plays ALL their Division Teams & 3 of the opposite Division Teams which makes 8 Conference Games and can schedule 4 non-conference games. Alternate each year so you play the same 3 other division teams every other season alternating home & away.

    Play a Conference Championship Game and work with the NCAA for a BCS Automatic Birth. Call this "The Mississippi West Conference" or the "West Mississippi Conference"

    The Mountain is STUCK in a TV deal it needs to get out of, so liquidating the Mountain West Conference IS the best alternative! Spreading out to Tulsa is a good IDEA! The WAC had it's problems because it didn't have a set pattern to schedule Conference Games and favoritism took place and that is why the Mountain West was born. A 12 team Conference IS A GOOD IDEA IF WE CAN GET AN AUTOMATIC BCS BID! The Fiesta Bowl would be a good option and the most logical since it has an "At Large" already, why not include this new conference?

  • BCS Rankings
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:01 p.m.

    Tulsa's Football team is ranked #19 in today's BCS standings.

    BYU's Football team is ranked #21 in todays BCS standings

  • TC
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:03 p.m.

    TCU doesn't really fit in the MWC. I'd be all for letting TCU go to CUSA with Tulsa. Drop TCU and pick up Boise St. If you want to expand further (which I would not care to) then pick up Fresno and Hawaii. I like the conference size at 9 teams. That leaves you with 4 non-conference football games. The MWC currently needs those 4 games to gain respect around the country.

  • To: Sid Vicious
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:04 p.m.

    There have always been rumours that BYU will be getting an invitation from the BIG 12.

    So far, it has not happened. I don't think it ever will.

    It is kind of like the fat girl waiting to be asked to the prom by the most popular guy in high school. It will never happen.

  • Addition by Subtraction
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:05 p.m.

    Drop Wyoming. Wyoming is a disgrace to the Conference. They bring absolutely nothing to the table but their outstretched arms to get their share of what money is generated by the conference.

  • Top Gun
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:16 p.m.

    Tulsa would definitely make the MWC stronger in football and basketball.

    Dropping Wyoming would also make the MWC stronger in football and basketball.

    Just an idea.

  • To: Provo
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:19 p.m.

    Tulsa has been to the Sweet Sixteen four times, the elite 8 once, and won the NIT and CIB Championship in the last 12 years.

    No other MWC basketball team (except the Utes) can compare with Tulsa's basketball team.

  • Ute fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:54 p.m.

    Tulsa? That TV market doesn't help us at all. Moreover, Texas recruits aren't going to beat our doors down to be able to play against Tulsa! If anything, Tulsa could use this to its advantage and tell recruits they can play against Utah, BYU and TCU every year. Bad idea. Fresno State makes more sense in a bigger market, close to California recruits, better football and basketball programs, and closer to us in Utah. Plus, New Mexico could be traveling partner for TCU, and Fresno with SDSU.

  • Just don't let the Smurfs in
    Oct. 20, 2008 1:55 p.m.

    Enough said

  • keep SDSU
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:01 p.m.

    We know San Diego St is horrible this year, but don't forget that having them in the conference guarantees a trip to San Diego every 2 years- a giant recruiting pool. The fact that they get to play in front of their family every other year is a selling point. San Diego is too important for recruiting, no matter how bad their team is (see Alex Smith, Eric Weddle, et al). Besides, their basketball team is good.
    How about Wyoming.. nobody recruits there, there is no tv market, AND their team is bad. I say add Boise St (for football only, until they prove their other teams can compete too) and drop Wyoming.

  • To: Ute fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:02 p.m.

    Texas recruits aren't beating down your down and never will. Texas recruits are beating down Texas Tech, Texas, Texas A & M, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and yes, Tulsa's door.

    Compare Tulsa's roster to Utah's roster. Tulsa's roster is chalk full of Texas recruits.

  • Re: rvalens/Hawaii lovers
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:15 p.m.

    Hawaii is a financial pitfall for any conference because of the costs involved with travel to the islands. That's the reason they weren't included in the MWC. It's fun for teams to travel to Hawaii once in awhile, but it becomes too much of an expense to take an entire team there every other year.

  • Clueless Out There
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:16 p.m.

    What a bunch of clueless sports fans. First of all, the MWC can't drop a school without them leaving on their own. This leaves the only option of expanding on the base of 9 schools that are already there. If the MWC adds 3 WAC schools and guts the WAC look for a law suit that would stagger the world!!! The BIG EAST came close to this when the ACC raided it and almost cost the Big East their automatic bid. The WAC will not allow the MWC to gut it again. On the topic of BYU going to the PAC 10. It will never happen!!! The PAC10 loves Sunday play, and BYU doesn't play on Sunday! The PAC10 is not going to change their way of running things to accommodate BYU on Sunday play. The Big 12 might be an option for BYU. But, I don't see the Big 12 dropping Baylor, and they would have to drop someone to make a space. Therefore, the most the MWC could do now is add 1 school and grow to 10. Anything beyond that is out of the question right now.

  • casual fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:16 p.m.

    The answer is to jettison TCU so Utah and BYU have a better shot in football. Keep Wyoming. Bring back UTEP.

  • bob carlisle
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    inside information: boise state is going to join the mwc in 2010! you heard it here first, i dont know about tulsa but the mwc is getting boise for sure!

  • Tim
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    You MWC folks who think Tulsa would "beat down the door" to get into your conference are nuts. The past five years have been the most successful ever for football recruiting at TU. The only way to recruit heavily in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana is to offer the families of the players a chance to see their kids play close to home when TU plays road games at Tulane, Houston, Rice, UAB, etc. Forget TV. Recruits want to have their moms, dads, and homeboys in the stands. How would the families and friends of TU players ever afford to see games if the opponents were BYU? Or Wyoming? Or Air Force? We tried that already - it didn't work! The Tulsa coaching staff knows exactly what they are doing. Besides, the MWC is only marginally better in football, and definitely weaker in basketball. There are only three football teams in the MWC that could compete against Tulsa now, and with no automatic BCS bid to offer, what is the appeal of the MWC? CUSA already offers much more to Tulsa. And with the new coaches in the CUSA, it is only a matter of time before this conference improves dramatically.

  • UNLV
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:33 p.m.

    Drop UNLV? What are you Ute and Cougar fans afraid that we are going to dominate basketball for the next 10 years?

  • Just Say No (to the blue)
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:35 p.m.

    Boise State's basketball team is really horrible. It would not add anything to the MWC. Why would we think of adding another crappy basketball team to our MWC?

  • Clueless in Salina, UT
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:53 p.m.

    I refuse to watch any more games on the Mountain. Talk about crappy camera-work. Blurry picture, terrible sound quality and commentators are high school quality.

    I'm calling on everybody to boycott the Mountain until the quality goes up by about 1000%!

  • To: bob carlisle
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:54 p.m.

    BYU is going to join the BIG 12 in 2011! You heard it here first.

  • New Jobs
    Oct. 20, 2008 2:58 p.m.

    I think all you experts on here should quit your jobs and start your own conference. Then you can schedule BYU and Notre Dame every year - the "REAL" Holy War!

  • Harry Trotter
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    I sure hope Tulsa hasn't watched any games on the Mountain. If they have, I can guarantee that they will not join our conference.

  • To: Clueless
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:12 p.m.

    Sign me up for your boycott of the Mountain. I have never seen such poor quality broadcasts in my life.

    Re-runs of the Twilight Zone on KJAZZ are better quality than the Mountain.

    I'm sure the Mountain has hurt recruiting for the MWC. Any high school player that has watched the Mountain broadcast a game immediately makes up his mind never to play in the MWC. It is embarrassing.

  • New conference GAC
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    The God And Country conference

    Notre Dame,
    Boston College,
    BYU,
    TCU,
    SMU,
    Army,
    AF,
    Navy

  • Abq cougar
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:33 p.m.

    I think expansion is the only way to make the mountain west a consistent national power. However, they should use the big 12 as a template. Two division (north and south) and 12 teams with a conference championship. They could call the conference the western 12 or W12. That way the name would be restrictive to just the mountain region.

    The North:
    Boise State
    Byu
    Utah
    Colorado State
    Air force
    Wyoming

    The South:
    New Mexico
    UNLV
    SDSU
    TCU
    Tulsa
    UTEP

    Both of those divisions seem pretty balanced geographically and talent wise. The North might have a slight edge in football and the South in basketball. I added UTEP because El Paso is very large market and already has a natural rivalry with New Mexico. It also would open up the conference to recruit Western Texas. (may be steal some recruits from Texas Tech).

  • Ute in Philadelphia
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:38 p.m.

    I am not a big proponent of a 10-team league. It would cut into our OOC games...and as a mid-major conference, that is the ONLY way we can show the rest of the country how competitive we are. If we WERE to expand, we should expand to 12 teams, which would enable us to have a Conference Champion$hip game [Las Vegas?], and with divisional games, it won't affect our abilities to schedule competitive OOC opponents.

    Tulsa has showed they are good THIS year. And LAST year. They were also pretty good during the Kragthorpe era, but he's no longer there. Is their competiveness sustainable? I don't know. If we expand, to 12 teams, I suggest we take Boise St. and Fresno St. FIRST, as they have shown to be consistent winners. Let the 12th team be voted on by the other 11 members.

    Wyoming and SDSU used to be good teams. Now they suck, and we as a conference are stuck with them. SMU was solid until the death penalty. Will June Jones bring them back to prominence? Hawai'i used to be competitive? Will Tulsa lose THEIR coach too? Mike Price had a good run at UTEP.

  • soakblue
    Oct. 20, 2008 3:44 p.m.

    Part of being an elite league includes marrying strong academics with strong athletics. Boise State may have a decent football team, but the school itself is hardly elite academically. Taking on that school would be a step in the WRONG direction for the MWC.

  • whatever it is worth
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:38 p.m.

    If SDSU goes, so does the Pointettia Bowl. It may be a small bowl, but at least it is a more attractive destination than Boise or New Mexico in the wintertime.

  • MWC musings
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    Re: soakblue

    UNLV is hardly an elite academic institution either, so adding Boise State is not going to drag the conference down any. Besides, since when does academic quality have anything to do with big-time college athletics? It's all about winning, baby, and drawing the revenue.

  • Billiam T Wex
    Oct. 20, 2008 4:59 p.m.

    I think we should bring in USC. Think about it, it makes perfect sense!

  • themadhatr
    Oct. 20, 2008 5:37 p.m.

    Boise State "hardly elite" academically? Subtracting AFA and the Pod People from Provo from the equation, and which remaining schools in the MWC are "elite" academically? I love the Utes, great school, but if you've ever seen both campuses, the schools are clones.

    Spare me.

  • Come on
    Oct. 20, 2008 5:43 p.m.

    we can't even get the MTN or VS in high def. Let's fix up what we have before we even consider adding anything to this conference. Why would Tulsa want to join the MWC. If they go undefeated in Football, they still won't go to the national championship game, so what's the point in moving?

  • Jared
    Oct. 20, 2008 5:56 p.m.

    Boise State would become BYU and Utah's second biggest rivalry. It would also bring a national audience to those games. Boise State is the answer. Not Tulsa. Fresno State is next after Boise State.

  • john
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:26 p.m.

    I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF FOOTBALL IN MY LIFE.my first team was a s u for the last few years i have liked tulsa university i was there in 1991 great team great year, i have only one thing to say about a move from cusa to mwc. if it keeps the same quality of fooball. i would watch in any conference cusa, like all conferences you will have great years and not so good. but one thing i have found there was a football player by the name of chris penn for tulsa he was ready for pro football..then on a sunday comeing from church a drunk driver hurt his legs.played one more game at end of school year never was as good as he had been.not knowing his exact words but he thanked god and did not blame the drunk driver,that is true football.

  • jj bsu
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:38 p.m.

    Your commentary is based on one game Tulsa won. Get some depth!

  • Ute in Wisconsin
    Oct. 20, 2008 7:48 p.m.

    Boise adds nothing - the MWC already has a finesse team in Provo. Bring on Fresno and the 'anywhere, anytime' guys. They beat up big teams every year - and they do it with the physical game that impresses the BCS leagues.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 20, 2008 8:52 p.m.

    I'm all for it! File the adoption papers, we want Tulsa in the MWC!

    Oh, wait one moment. How does Tulsa feel about it?

  • subtraction by addition
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:33 p.m.

    I hate to say this but if we add more hard teams we just canibalize ourselves and no one goes to any bcs-games. MWC is not going to become a BCS conference, should we yes, but no way the big money people in the east ever let something like that happen. Having said that if we add more hard teams to the conference and we just beat each other up more no one goes to any relivant bowl games. The big conferences can do it because they get an automatic bid but we don't, its good enough as it is, a couple elite teams-utah, tcu, byu; a couple also rans nm, af, csu; and a couple bottom feeders-sdsu, wy. This is his how every BCS conference looks year in and year out, too many top teams and we will regret it.

  • socalspud
    Oct. 20, 2008 9:54 p.m.

    Here is an idea for you ...

    Rebirth of the Southwest Conference

    Tulsa
    TCU
    Houston
    Rice
    SMU
    UTEP
    New Mexico
    New Mexico State

    CUSA is gonna get ravaged by the Big East so why not form a regional conference ... This is a tight, lotsa bus rides, cost-efficient conference ...

    The MWC then becomes a 12-team league

    BYU
    Utah
    AFA
    Wyoming
    Colorado State
    Boise State
    UNLV
    Nevada
    San Diego State
    San Jose State
    Fresno State
    Hawaii


    La Tech goes to CUSA, Idaho and Utah State go to the Big Sky which where they belong in football, making it a great FCS conference ... plus you still have the auto berth in MBB for the Aggies to compete for .. the WAC is basically a one-team NCAA berth anyway ... so why not the Big Sky ...

    To me ... this whole thing makes total sense ...

    And that is why it wont happen ...

  • Ute Fan
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:20 p.m.

    Were good for a decent season every four years or so.

    You can count on us.

    Just don't add too many more teams.

    I can handle 3rd place, but not 5th or 6th in conference.

    If we could just find a way to pawn of TCU and BYU, we could win conference every other year. We lose to BSU, I'm thinking add WSU and USU.

  • Arrogance
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:31 p.m.

    This will never happen. Wasn't the sole purpose for creating the MWC to get away from this type of insanity? Are all of you too young to remember the 16-member WAC days with schools like Tulsa, SMU and Rice lumped together with Hawaii, San Jose and Fresno?

    Even with a 10-team conference, you shorten your opportunity to play OOC powers (i.e. BCS conference schools) by a game. Do you really think adding another school or two to the conference is going to add legitimacy and appeal to any plea to become a BCS conference? Have you not considered the Old Boys Club that is the BCS? Do you think they have any interest in further diluting what they have with anyone else? Do you think anything short of a legislated playoff system will change that?

    The arrogance of the MWC (especially in this part of the country) is astounding. In this the "greatest year of the MWC," your Sagarin computer rankings are still where they ALWAYS are, behind ALL 6 BCS conference ratings.

    MWC: come back down to earth. Your presidents chose to get away from the conference this article and all of you respondents propose.

  • BSU Adds Nothing
    Oct. 20, 2008 10:47 p.m.

    Boise State brings nothing of substance to the table for the current MWC except a chance to lose additional games year-in and year-out. They offer no opportunity for recruiting. They offer nothing outside of football. The rest of their athletic programs are mediocre at best in the WAC. Their academics are not even up to par with the other institutions in Idaho.

    Not that I expect it to happen, but if they were offered, TCU would remain on an island waiting to be wooed back to CUSA or even the Big 12.

    Is the MWC really interested in courting a school so recently a D-II (FCS) member of the Big Sky? Isn't the current MWC essentially (with the exception of TCU) the original WAC? Wasn't that the point? Keep the riffraff out. Eight in-conference games on a yearly basis is almost ideal. If anything, find TCU a partner.

    Why do you think BSU is so eager to join the MWC? They know their stock is at an all-time high right now, hoping to pull the football wool over your eyes before you realize the facade it is. I don't know what value they hold for the future.

  • Ignorance
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:20 p.m.

    Why would BSU want to down grade to the MWC. They excel in the WAC in football with one BCS and possibility every year to gain another. Fresno St is right there as well. The WAC has 3 quality teams, more in basketball, and the kicker, they have the ESPN contract. BSU would be dumb to join the MWC.
    The WAC should add UNLV for basketball, then those who complain wont have to worry about the tourney being in Las Vegas.

  • BSU
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:22 p.m.

    BSU would have a larger TV share if more people in Boise owned them facny boxes with the little people inside.

  • Its just a game
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:33 p.m.

    Rivalries and location are what make the game fun and currently most of the MWC teams' main rivals are outside of the league.
    BYU-Utah
    New Mexico-New Mexico state(WAC)
    Vegas-Reno(Wac)
    Air Force-Army,Navy(?)
    SDSU-Fresno(Wac)
    Wyoming-CSU
    CSU-BUFS(big 12) ETC.

    So what we need is a league where every team has a rival.

    BYU-Utah
    UNLV-Nevada
    San Jose-Fresno
    Boise State-Hawaii
    New mexico-New mexico state

  • azmike
    Oct. 20, 2008 11:45 p.m.

    why dont we just add utah and byu to the pac 10 and make it the pac 12. both utah and byu are top notch programs that are well thought of in the world of sports. just think of the recruting possibilities if they were pac teams. they recruite top players now. just think byu and utah in the same breath as usc. as you know, asu was once in the same league as utah and byu. the utah schools will not do as asu. they will right off try to put achampianship team on the field.

  • you are sanctimonious
    Oct. 21, 2008 12:35 a.m.

    Thank you everyone. Since I was the first post on this board, I would like to thank The MWC fans (and the journalist who wrote the article) for proving my point... you are sanctimonious. To all those who posted and tried to point out the flaw in their way of thinking... thank you also.

  • What an IDIOT!
    Oct. 21, 2008 12:56 a.m.

    What a MORON! This guy learned nothing from the past WAC debacle! Adding San Jose St. 10 million+ metro TV market (not to mention Dallas/SMU etc.) means nothing when nobody is watching a poor/mediocre program and only 10,000 people go to the games! Tulsa has a decent team, but nowhere near the stature of BSU. Also they are a huge draw in Boise/Idaho much like BYU is in Provo. They have great attendance and full State fan/TV support as the main team to follow in Idaho. Tulsa has no such tradition and not nearly the support with OK And OK state taking all the Oklahoma media attention leaving Tulsa to be the underdog like USU fighting for attention here in Utah. Also, Boise is FAR CLOSER and would be WAY cheaper in travel costs for ALL MWC teams except TCU, so that argument is also CRAP! ALSO, BSU is a natural & close rivalry that would bring out more fans, who really cares about Tulsa! MINIMAL Rivalry Potential!

    For any idiot thinking the Conference USA (& WAC) is equal to the MWC, check the Sargarin & similar unbiased national computer polls, they haven never been even close as a conference!

  • TV Market
    Oct. 21, 2008 5:38 a.m.

    I think it is hilarious to read the value placed on one team or an others TV market. What does it matter if the market can't see the games? The MWC is equal to the WAC at best, why would Tulsa or Boise want to make a lateral move for less TV exposure? Now that the "mighty" cougars lost to the only decent team they played they are finished nationally. Utah looks like a good team but they could fall to TCU or BYU and then MWC is just mediocre once again.

  • I'm all about Basketball
    Oct. 21, 2008 8:36 a.m.

    If the MWC wants to strengthen its basketball program, it should definitely try to woo TULSA.

    In the last 12 years, Tulsa has gone to the Sweet Sixteen 4 times, the Elite 8 once, won the NIT Championship and won the CIB Championship.

    Boise brings nothing to the table in basketball, except another mediocre mid-major team.

  • Cosmo
    Oct. 21, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    Add Tulsa.

    Drop Wyoming.

    Add Fresno State.

    Drop UNLV.

    Don't even think about adding Boise. What a disaster that would be (in terms of basketball, T.V. viewership, academics and reputation).

  • Smurf Turf
    Oct. 21, 2008 10:38 a.m.

    Do Boise fans really like their blue field? I don't think there's anything more obnoxious in all of sports. I have yet to talk to one person that likes it (I don't know any BSU fans personally). I've thought it was pretty bad for years and then this year I upgraded to HD! The five minutes I watched of the BSU/Hawaii game last week gave me a headache!

  • Where's Stockton???
    Oct. 21, 2008 3:12 p.m.

    Absolutely not.....worst thing the conference could do at this point in time would be to add teams....exchange teams yes, but not to go to 10. Boise State replacing a doormat MWC team would be a logical geographically and SOS selection. An even better scenario would be to drop to an 8 team conference and adding one additional out of conference game for each remaining member team with the "looking to the future" concept of snaring additional BCS opponents. Returning to a 9 or going to 10 after a few years of hopeful improvement in SOS would always be possible. Let's do something smart for a change and give the conference additional slots for BCS opponents. Don't Benson this Commissioner like the fiasco in the old WAC.

  • Pounder
    Oct. 21, 2008 5:47 p.m.

    For having such a lousy TV contract, the pay is too good. The Mountain West really can't expand.

    I suspect, barring a miracle of an interest shift, the next contract won't be as lucrative. Then all bets are off. I wonder, should the economy continue its current trek, if there won't be some sort of geography-based entrenchment throughout non-BCS schools and perhaps a few levels down from there.

    All else doesn't matter.

  • Anonymous
    Oct. 21, 2008 7:52 p.m.

    There is not a single basketball program in the MWC that can compete with Memphis. None . Zero. I cannot believe the author of this article forgot Memphis was in C-USA .

  • Don from Nevada
    Oct. 21, 2008 11:16 p.m.

    The Mountain West Conference has a great name and logo, let's keep em forever. The MWC should add a new team and eventually, perhaps a total of 3.
    BYU and Utah, this is where they belong.
    Air Force and Colorado State, fine traditions, very good teams representing Colorado and the Mountain West.
    Wyoming and New Mexico, both bring well seasoned rivalries and delicious recipes to every land in the MWC, we need em.
    UNLV and SDSU, UNLV has great basketball tradition and adds some mighty good flavor. SDSU has a good stadium.
    TCU, I really like the horny toads purple colors and mascot. It was a coup for the MWC to get TCU, they are very good competition.
    Thus far, we have 7 states representing the MWC.
    The 10th MWC invitee should probably be Boise State, a great football program and school with flair (blue turf). Indeed, they are fan favorites the nation over. Besides, they are located in Idaho, a perfect fit for the Mountain West.

  • Football Daddy
    Oct. 22, 2008 5:11 a.m.

    Tulsa has no interest in moving to the Mountain West. Tulsa would be better suited to move east to the Big East (as rumor has it along with Memphis) or to the ACC. Whatever they do they have outgrown CUSA and need some better competition. It is not in the Mountain West..they need to move up - not sideways.

  • True Blue
    Oct. 22, 2008 8:10 a.m.

    Washington Times reported a similar story last week about how the BIG EAST should invite Memphis and Tulsa to join its conference.

    I guess its that time of the year when conferences are getting a little ancy and looking for ways to improve.

  • Sleepless in Salina, UT
    Oct. 22, 2008 9:02 a.m.

    For heaven's sake, please do not invite Boise into our conference. Football program has only been "good" for a few years. They do not have a proven track record.

    Boise's basketball program is terrible and would hurt the MWC immediately if they were allowed to join. Plus, the biggest negative is that Boise is in Idaho.

    Enough said.

  • Chris (WAC)
    Oct. 22, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    Tulsa? Seriously? The same Tulsa that was a bottomfeeder in the WAC? The same Tulsa that moved to a weak CUSA conference, and overnight was successful?

    Hilarious. Tulsa would be another UNLV in the MWC.

  • Tim
    Oct. 22, 2008 1:19 p.m.

    Tulsa going to the Big East! God forbid! That would be a terrible idea, for all the reasons I posted earlier about moving to the MWC. It would kill Tulsa's recruiting success in LA, TX, AR, and OK. Besides, the Big East is hardly a step up from CUSA. Who leads the Big East? - Pitt. To whom did they lose (at home!) this year? Bowling Green! -the same team Tulsa destroyed 63-7 last year in the GMAC Bowl. With the new, extremely talented coaches who have recently come into CUSA, there is a better chance of CUSA becoming a solid football conference than there is of the Big East becoming one again. Living in Ohio, I see Big East games all the time. Only one Big East team - Cincinnati - could compete against Tulsa. ALL the others would be blown out just like CUSA teams have been this year. The Big East is so bad they should (and probably will) lose their automatic BCS bid.

  • Randy
    Oct. 22, 2008 5:03 p.m.

    Tulsa or Boise wou;d be a good fit for expansion, I Would rather see TU stay in CUSA and raise the level of play there. CUSA has an exciting future.
    And there are mountains in Oklahoma.

  • Frank B.aka shadow knows
    Oct. 22, 2008 5:28 p.m.

    Tulsa join the MWC, don't think so! They were bitten once while in the WAC,Bred 'em Young, Colo. State, etc. bolted the WAC to form the Elite?????? Mountains Worst Conference! Tulsa wouldn't want to lower itself to join a bunch of renegades in the MWC. Last year Tulsa beat that elite, superior BYU and this year waced the Lowblows. Except for Air Farce, Tulsa outfanks any other team academically in the Mountains Worst Conference. You braggarts get what you sow!! Tulsa would never lower itself to rejoin any of you defectors!! Hell, Utah had a player, Gabe Long, who couldn't qualify at Arizona,yet he was admitted to the Newts! Shows what a quality school the Neuters are!!!!!!!!

  • Shadow Knows
    Oct. 22, 2008 5:52 p.m.

    MWC better than CUSA? Don't think so, Memphis was in final 2 in blackball, and Tuls won the CBI. Where did the Mountains Worst Conference finish??????? Tulsa was assailed as a non-compete by some of the superior, elite defectors from the WAC. Well, who are the non-competesm now? Tulsa 56 UNM7in football this year! Must be depressing thinking your school is so superior and elite, yet getting your butt handed to you. The defectors from the WMC should try to get the Big Sky to take them in!!!! The "superiority" of Colo State, UNM, Neuters and Breed 'em Young was all in their head!!!!!

  • BSU Nation
    Oct. 22, 2008 6:32 p.m.

    Man what is wrong with you? BSU is always in the top 25 and check out how often we have been on ESPN the last 5-7 years. You want to add Tulsa because they put up 77 points on UTEP? I seriously hope they do get added and then just get killed. BSU has never lost to a MWC team so it would be nice to beat up on Tulsa as well.

  • Sacraamento
    Oct. 24, 2008 2:35 p.m.

    Utah is too good to be in the MWC - just ask their fans. Drop Utah and add Colorado. Utah can be an independent like ND. GO usc TROJANS!

  • Hoop Time
    Nov. 13, 2008 6:58 a.m.

    Poster #150 ... Shadow Knows ... I hope that you simply made a typo when you referred to basketball as "blackball" in your comments. The world does not need racism in this day and age so I sincerely hope that was not your intention. People of all colors and races play basketball the last time I looked and it is one of the world's greatest sports because of that diversity. If you only made a typo, well, forgive my overreaction.

  • matt
    Nov. 13, 2008 2:14 p.m.

    it NEEDS to be 12 teams with a title game. It needs to look like a bcs conference. Sadly, there will be no pac 10 invite for byu or utah and the big 12 isn't going to call tcu either.

    Boise is needed for football respectability sake, and fresno because of the market. The third team should either be Nevada or Tulsa. Nevada would do it in a heartbeat but i don't know if Tulsa would.

    anyway, just my two opinion.