You were right, the game was over by the first half...
No need to say more!
Just Like USC, Due to their national reputation, BYU just got a mulligan
tonight, a luxury TCU and Utah do not have.. BYU is not out of the BCS. With 5
games left to still move up in the polls.BYU will end up between
22-25 in the polls.1) BYU will win out until Utah. They'll be 10-1
going into Utah. 2) TCU played well tonight, but is not the same
team on the road. Utah will beat them on 11/6 going away. TCU will be 10-2 to
end the season. They will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs
with the loss with.3) Boise State will not win out. They will srop
behind BYU with a late season loss to a WAC team.4) That leaves the
Utes @ 11-0 going into BYU week (with upsets)they'll be ranked between 5-8th in
the polls. 5)A nationally respected 10-1 BYU will be ranked between
12-16 in the polls.6) BYU will beat UTAH in their own stadium
(again) Utah will also drop behind the defending back to back MWC champs with
the loss with. BYU moves back into the BCS top 12 for good.
Can we borrow your shirts?xoxo,Utah
Really? Only two comments so far? Dnews must be censoring all the U fan's
comments. What a great game! Don't worry zoobies, now you can go
back to playing teams with losing records,
until......nana.....nana....nana...nana..nana.nana November 22nd! Christmas
comes early this year!Let me guess, this comment won't be posted. :(
I live in Asia and me and 999 million Chinese people don't care!
NP -We'll just need them back by November 22nd. It'll work out great since
You'll have no use for them after that date.All the Best!The
No adjustments,no play action, no outside containment,no coaching. They have
figured us out,our vanilla play calling and slow zone defense. We have lots of
character an inspirational program, great players.But we will never make it to
the next level unless our coaches "not our players" improve thier game.
I'm glad you speak English "I don't care". But we do care. I really think BYU
does have a great team... but honestly, pride got the best of them. The
comments this week from players and coaches seemed pretty laid back while all
you heard from the TCU side was gritting of teeth. TCU wanted it more... the
cougs must have thought they "were going to lay down for them." (in the words of
King Collie himself). Anyways, too bad Will is delusional and thinks the
Cougars can win on the road... haha. Go Utes! We just need to worry about
taking this one game at a time and not promote we're one of the "best teams in
the nation". Actions will speak louder than words.
The Y can still win the national championship if they win the rest of their
games since all of the teams ahead of them have to play each other or in
conference championships which means several losses for Texas, OU, Alabama, LSU,
Harmon's commentary is "right on", but a little kind. We were outcoached,
outplayed, and over rated. After the lousey game at Utah State I kept waiting
for the defense to improve. They didn't. Hall has been spoiled by the offensive
line. But, speed overcame power to the point that we looked very ordinary in the
line. We could easily end up losing 2 more!! Including, double ouch, Utah.
another year on the island of misfit toys.
Better to be humiliated on a Thursday nite in October with nobody watching than
in a BCS bowl in January.
I'm living in China right now. There are 1.3 billion Chinese people here, not
999 million. I care deeply about BYU football, and am happy to have the chance
to listen to these games on KSL's podcast. "I don't care"'s post is an example
of why the Deseret News needs to require registration to post comments. The
stupidity on these forums is alarming.
Well the answer whether BYU was actually contenders or merely pretenders was
answered at TCU. This game wasn't BYU players not being prepared by the coaches
or just having a bad night. This was outright physical domination by a team with
superior athletes top to bottom. BYU mislead a lot of national pollsters by
beating a soft Washington and UCLA team early in the season but reality started
to set in against Utah State and was further cemented against New Mexico. TCU
dominated BYU's offensive line. TCU dominated BYU's undersized defensive line.
TCU sat on top of BYU's slow receivers. Case closed and game over. Bronco is a
great coach but no amount of coaching and inspiration can make up for a mismatch
in athetic talent on the field. One thing Bronco can do is change the sort of
defensive linemen he recruits going forward. If BYU wants to play physical
football then they have to recruit BIG physical defensive linemen. The TCU UTAH
game will be for the MWC championship and I pick Utah to win that and go to
another BCS bowl. BYU will finish with 2 loses and end up third.
You know the T-Shirts that say "FULLY VESTED". Well, it is time to use them to
clean the car or maybe as a paint rag. The Fully Vested era is over for Bronco.
Time to retire that phrase and then go out and recruit some "physical" D-linemen
instead of the "softies" that currently make up the roster. BYU was man handled
top to bottom by TCU. No amount of preparation would have changed a thing in the
out come either. If the BYU football program wants to take the next step
nationally then they are going to have to recruit big, physical defensive
players...PERIOD. Offensively, well I think BYU could have played better with a
better game plan.
BYU fans better get used to getting blown out because the UTES are going to
spank the kittens on Nov 22 in Salt Lake in a similar fashion to TCU. BYU is a
soft, finese team that can't play physical football.
in Anae. The man's play calling is plain vanilla. Got to give TCU credit -
they played lights out. If TCU plays like that for the rest of the year,
they'll beat anyone they come up against. But, they play down on the road -
Utah will have a good opportunity to beat them at home, but they'd better buck
up for this one.
So how much are the stupid t-shirts on e-bay now?
BYU never throws an interesting play into the mix. I know Bronco doesn't like
tricks and gimmicks but maybe they help keep the other team on their toes a bit.
I am reminded of the BYU/Utah game two years ago. The fake punts, reverses, etc.
It sure kept the Cougs on their toes even though they pulled out the W. Who
knows, the players and the fans might have some fun with it. BYU is not good
enough to beat good teams by strength of their "fundamentals" (Vanilla play
calling). Risks need to be taken. When did football become so serious? It's a
game! Weekend entertainment at best! Entertain us! Go out on a limb!
Put the bottle down Will. The emperor has no clothes. Go Utes!
at end of seasion:Utah 12-0TCU 10-2BYU 10-2To all BYU fans who are still thinking BCS for BYU, there is no way for a
non-BCS conf team make BCS bowl with 1 loss. You can still dream on.SoCalUtahFan
Dear Will,What are you smoking? I want some. Who is left on BS
University's schedule that will beat them? San Jose State has the best chance
where the game is at San Jose State, but I honestly expect that Boise State wins
out. The Utes ranked 5-8? Listen. I love the Utes, and I hope
that they win out and go to their second BcS bowl game, but I think your
rankings for both teams are way too high. There is no way that Utah merits
being ranked that high any more than BYU did.The "nationally
respected" Cougars rebounding to 12-16? Ummm... I think that losing by 25
points is going to result in a larger drop than you imagine, as people will
start looking at BYU's schedule and realizing that they have been a paper tiger.
I think that BYU will be ranked in the top 25 when we meet in November, though
I doubt that it will be as high as you imagine.Finally, don't start
chalking up the win on 11/22 just yet. TCU gave Gary Anderson some good stuff
to work with last night. GO UTES!!!
The guys at TCUPlayed a game against 'the Zew'While away from
the alterThe Y boys did falterAnd the Froggies told Bronco
You had to see this coming. After piling on a couple of teams a in September,
they've been steadily slipping the past few games. The first real
test of the season finally arrived, and sadly, the Cougars didn't.
Good grief, give these kids a break. We are talking about 18-21 year old young
men for the most part remember?? BYU players did their best out there but TCU
simply had better athletes top to bottom and there isn't much you can do about
that. BYU isn't that good of a team athletically in 08 but the guys are doing
their level best to compete.
RE: Pretender--BYU has been outmatched physically by TCU over the past three
years and they've handled TCU with two wins and a controversial loss in
overtime. Bottomline, TCU has been preparing for this game all year (as stated
by Gary Patterson) and BYU came with no preparation and no adjustments to the
weaknesses exposed over the past 6 games. And UTES, before you get too full of
yourselves... remember, there are no UTE helmets on the dummies in the TCU
practice facilities... BYU still sets the standard in the Mtn. West as stated by
many coaches in the conference (most recently by Glenn, Long, and Patterson).
Maybe this will give you a chance to beat TCU because they have not been
preparing to be beat you for a year. Sneak up on 'em Utes, we need you
undefeated in November to sweeten the beating we are going to give you.
I predict further loses to Utah, San Deigo State and Air Force. Other teams now
see that BYU is soft and they will adjust their game plans accordingly. In the
end of the season BYU will whimper out with an 8-4 season with no bowl invite.
So the Frogs played against the "Super Cougars" last night huh? Only delusional
people were calling them super. Anyone who followed the cougars at all this
year knows that they were wayyyyyyyyy overrated. Maybe the "stupid" USU fans
weren't so dumb after all. Maybe they could see what "stupid" Y fans couldn't.
I was at that game and I knew that byu would lose once they played a real
opponent. And please stop with the "they can still make the bcs" crap. No way.
They were exposed on every level last night.
One of these days, the north eastern press will give credit to the TCU defense.
Two sacks on Hall for the entire season and TCU gets 6 last night. Even in our
only loss (to the then #1 ranked Sooners) TCU's defense held OU to 25 yards
total rushing (unfortunately the offense that day turned the ball over 4 times).
TCU loses their only game to OU and gets dropped from the polls while Auburn
loses 2 (now 3) and was ranked # 20. Inane reporting.
. . . actually I mean to the Provo bubble;1-BYU was actually slower than
advertised.2-The Collie article about how he is magically. faster when has
pads on was obviously FALSE, he IS SLOW.3-BYU pride is mindless without
objectivity.4-BYU was indeed VERY overrated. Utah is as well.5-Begin
the "quest for speed" NOW!6-Hall is not Heisman caliber, he is not even
the best QB in the conference. Look at how he handled a "little" bit of
pressure.7-It is nice that all the "inflated" hey look at me I am so great
talk will END, for the rest of the season. It wasn't just one bad game. You
could see the talent difference. BYU is nothing compared to TCU.8-BYU fans
the most unbearable and per SI "hated" in all of college football got exactly
what they needed for their long term welfare, a BOWL FULL OF HUMILITY, eat it up
Cougar fans. You deserve it because you failed to represent, what a let down you
max hall are you serious? That guy needs to pull his head out and spread the
ball around, He looks really bad right now. Everyone knows you are going to
throw to Pitta or Collie. Call some plays for Reed and even put chambers in
there once in awhile, Spread THE GD BALL AROUND. I just cant believe the
cougars are playing like this, its gross.
BYU's non-contact practices have turned them into wimps. Let the players hit
each other in practice. Then they might be prepared for a game like this. TCU
was better from top to bottom. They made it look easy.Some advise.
Have all the really fat offensive line lose some weight so that they can block
faster defensive lineman. Get some linebackers with some meat on their bones.
Throw to more than two receivers.The coaches need to get it together
and put some fire into this team. Also put a cork in Collie's mouth.
The mentality of the comments on this blog are astounding. Sad.
The arrogance some of you display is amazing. I'm sure BYU gets a lot of pub in
the western states but you haven't been "nationally respected" since Ty Detmer.
More astounding is that you somehow view the MWC as equal in quality to the Big
XII and SEC...we (TCU) aren't even that delusional.The fact that the
natl. media even speaks of the atrocious PAC 10 shows you where our conference
is on the totem pole. if we lost to a top 3 team and our BCS hopes are
done...yours are most certainly done.
Which "18-21 year old young men" are you talking about? Remember this is BYU
whose team is composed of many 24-26 year old semi middle-aged men.
The sun came up this morning over the wasatch range!
SDSU is among the worst teams ever...that one won't happen.
TCU got pressure (7 sacks) with one great DE. Guess what? Utah has TWO great
DEs. I can't wait for that match-up on Nov. 22nd. I anticipate that Krueger
and Misi will be visiting with Hall quite often.What was great about this
game is that BYU was finally exposed. BYU is a fine team who executes their
schemes very well. This hides the fact that they are generally not as fast as
their opponents. If you can game-play to leverage that speed against BYU - by
utilizing a mobile QB, force the LBs to play how you want them (either up or
back), you'll move the ball at will against the Y.Defensively, you must be
physical and if a team has the athletes to go man to man, and still get just
decent pressure on Hall - they'll win.This was a template on how to handle
BYU - if you have the athletes to do it.Unfortunately for BYU, this was
their year. They lose four of five of their OL next year, and I don't expect
the O to be nearly as potent as a result.Utah, meanwhile, returns nearly
Dick - you said: "Folks may argue the Cougars were finally exposed after looking
pretty vulnerable the past couple games. And that might be true."Huh? "May argue", "Might be true"? Of course they were exposed, who is going
to say they weren't? They were completly dominated and humiliated by TCU. This
game was over 2 minutes into the game, byu didn't have a chance.
That was a rough game to watch, and not because of the McCarrain Int'l Alamo
rental car beating the kittens took. Worse experience ever. This was an
old-fashioned evangelical hellfire attack against the LDS, only this time on the
football field. We (Ute and Cougar fans) should be used to the haters on the
sidewalk outside Conference, but this time they had those ridiculous purple
jerseys and black helmets on. Wyoming's jerseys are sharp in comparison.Uh-oh, Austin, I guess your religious theory about close games is now
dead?Collie Dog: did you wake up at about 3am today in a cold sweat
hearing the echo of the touchdown train whistle rattling in your brain? By the way, the director for Versus is one sick puppy. Talk about an
evil grin in the production truck. I really don't need to see that pear-shaped
loser Gary Patterson's you know what 25 times. Gary, if you are going to wear
your 48-inch khakis on game night, please do us all a favor and put a jacket on.
This was just as bad as the Warrior's Donn Nelson's gut blocking my view down
the sideline in the Jazz playoff series two years ago.
Re: They did their best"Good grief, give these kids a break. We are
talking about 18-21 year old young men for the most part remember??"Actually, you're talking about 18-24 yr old men, for the mot part,
remember?Re: how does 8-4 sound BYU?"In the end of the
season BYU will whimper out with an 8-4 season with no bowl invite."Don't be ridiculous. An 8-4 MWC WILL go to a Bowl game. Probably somewhere
in New Mexico.Re: Reality Check "BYU still sets the
standard in the Mtn. West"Nope. BYU still FOLLOWS the
standards...such as the "Hawai'i standard" for scheduling into the BCS.
Incidently, its because of that "we set the standard" attitude, on top of your
creampuff "untested" schedule, that has put you in the "Busted" category of the
this year's BCS Buster teams.Do you realize that after all those
posts where the "yewts" will finish 3rd in the conference, that if you lose to
us next month, that would actually be the highest you will finish. And that's
only if you can get by your "road woes" in Colorado Springs.In the
words of the Soup Nazi..."NO BCS FOR YOU!"
"Pregame dinner with Jeffery Dahmer?????????????" JEEEZ Harmon, that's quite
the unsavory metaphor. You should have stayed in the animal kingdom. Jackals,
piranhas, hyenas, etc., to wit: Ferocious frogs furioius feeding frenzy
completley consumes cowardly cougs.
As a Ute fan, I advise my fellow fans to stiffle it until we've played TCU
ourselves. The Frogs looked ferocious against an experienced QB and O-line, and
the Ute offense hasn't exactly been the model of consistency. If we don't come
out fired up, November 6 is going to be a long day.
Can you say BOO-gars? How about this? The Zoo will fall completely out of the
top 25 this week and will loose 3 more games. Wake up and smell the fresh UTAH
I think you all are missing the point. BYU does not schedule any tough games
early in the season and in reality only play two games all season. They play
well against far inferior opponents but when its time to switch gears and play
with the men they come up short. Any team would have a problem doing this.
All you BYU fans who mocked people like ourselves for questioning the talent
level of BYU because of the weak schedule and opponents BYU played now know
their true colors. They don't belong in the BCS and not in the top 10. Mentally
weak and morally strait don't make it to the big house. I do like that they
bleed Utah red, and still think BYU is a thief for wearing Utah State blue.
BYU and Utah are both over rated. TCU is good, but not BCS good. BYU is good,
but not BCS good. Utah is good, but not BCS good. That is okay. You win with
mostly good young men representing you. Accept that, cheer for them and realize
that you can't compete with the top five teams each year. Be happy when you
beat a bottom tier BCS conference team, but for crying out loud stop complaining
and crying every year! Future prediction: BYU beats Utah or TCU beats Utah and
no Mountain West team gets into the BCS. Mountain West remains on the MTN
channel, nobody watches, nobody outside of your fans cares. BYE BYE BCS
To begin with, I am a BYU fan. But, am I the only one who thinks Mendenhall has
been outcoached the last three games in a row? Were it not for the fact that
Utah State flat sucks and BYU picked up New Mexico at home, the Cougs would be
sitting at 4-3 now, not 6-1. Sure, the Cougs pass. But, Mendenhall's philosophy
is score just enough to not humiliate the opponent is ridiculous. And, the next
time I see the Cougs' corners sitting back 15 yards of a wide-out, I think I'm
going to puke!Mendenhall better have a sit down with his OC and DC
and figure it out. Or, they'll be looking at 8-4 really fast!
BYU fans think they had a shot at the national championship going undefeated. I
am reading comments that that still think they do. Your strength of schedule was
one of the worst in the country. For some reason none of you realize that. Throw
out the Wyoming and UCLA game and BYU does not look so hot. And lets see Wyoming
and UCLA should combine to have about 4 wins this yr. Oh and Washington might
add 2 to that list as well and you almost lost that game. Better luck next yr.
byU fans need to settle down and quit piling on coaches, Hall, etc. Were they
perfect? Obviously not and the quest for BCS is over. But these are the same
people you were idolizing all off-season and half way through the year. They
didn't deserve the worship you were giving, but they certainly don't deserve to
be thrown under the bus.As for the Utes, CSU stinks and the Utes
will roll. But, with Utah now in the limelight, how will they respond? The UNM
game looks like a scary trap game, coming off a bye week, 5 days before a
matchup of top 15 teams on the horizon, etc...the Lobos have had our number.
That's a game that's scary! Get past that and then we can worry about TCU, but
not until then.
Get ready for the flag football game between utah and byu. unga will do good
here. speed is the name of the game and utah and byu don't have it and tcu
does. utah will pull a byu at new mexico. utah will lose to tcu and byu will
lose to unlv at cougar stadium. get ready for the mwc flag football league
coming to versus after the macho bull riding contest.
At least the Y saved themselves from the embarassment of getting obliterated by
a real top 10 team in a BCS game on National TV. Can you imagine the Y's soft
defense against the likes of an Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Texas Tech or
possibly Oklahoma State in the Fiesta Bowl? The talk of playing in the BCS
title game was enough to make me puke, at least we won't have to hear that
anymore. Note to all Y fans - try watching a college football game
that isn't BYU. Had you actually watched the OU/TCU game instead of just
reading about it, you would have seen this coming. TCU sold out on defense to
stop the run and pressure Bradford and still got lit up - giving up 35 pts and
more than 450 yds. They also played with the same intensity (if not more)
against a top 5 team on the road. TCU is nice team with the leftover Texas
talent that the Big XII powers can't stockpile given the scholarship
restrictions. Finally, the real reason the Y will never compete on
a national level - team speed - never had it never will.
...that it wasn't BYU asking for all this attention this year. I know that's
what all the Cougar-haters up north would like to believe. It was, in fact, the
MEDIA that has created such a frenzy in following BYU football this year. I
guess that's what happens when all you do is beat everyone in your conference
(and a few out of conference) for 2 years in a row. What do you expect them to
do? I'm sorry, Ute fans, that you can't understand what that's really like.
The only media frenzy created around Utah since Mr. Meyer jumped ship has been
created solely by faithful Ute discussion-forum posters.Want to know
what it's like? Well you're about to experience it, now that the spotlight has
left Provo and it's about to heat things up in SLC.Feel free to get
it all off your chest now, though, because you know what's coming your way when
TCU and BYU come to town. What goes around...
Last year BYU men's BB team went to Boise State after playing NC to the end and
beating Louisville...Coach Rose said after the game, "we ran into a better
prepared team" The year before they went to San Diego and the Aztecs beat them
by 35 going away and Rose said "We ran into a buzz saw".Last night
on the football field in Ft. Worth, both happened. I am NOT knocking Bronco.
That happens in College athletics and sometimes even in professional
sports...and as much as it hurts a fan, it is what makes College athletics so
spectacular. I mean, come on Ute fans, even you must admit it happens...Lest we
remind you of a little jaunt you took last year to Las Vegas? A shut-out?? UNLV
wasn't even ranked! So...I'm not rubbing it in, I'm just offering some
clarity--this makes college sports and I love it. I hate the pain,
but really, is there any fun in winning every game and knowing the outcome
before the start?? Makes the next win sweeter. I told my
Ute friends in August that BYU goes 9-3, maybe 10-2...I am sticking with my
For the BYU fans who have continually thumped their chest about their team this
year, I have something for you...Max Hall to Sanders...OOPS!
ZOLT is a company that makes blades for wind turbines and frankly there's a lot
of wind being blown in these posts. The bottom line: too much media attention
got to BYU. Hence mentally not ready to play at the higher level of TCU. (Note
that 2 years ago things were different.) And it continued through the coaching
level - the media got to them too. Without as much media now, I predict the
Cougs will get hungry again. I hope the Utes are undefeated on Nov 20. BYU will
have everything to win and nothing to lose. GO COUGS!
As a BYU fan who traveled to the Utah State game, the second half of that game
really worried me because I believe it really exposed BYU's lack of speed,
especially in the secondary, and their poor tackling/blocking against quicker
players. I believe that's why BYU will never again see a National Championship,
and why Utah may have an advantage in the years to come. BYU just can't recruit
very much speed, and in today's game that's more important than ever.
BYU was way over-rated and we all knew it. When you don't play anyone and still
barely win, OVER-RATED. Next week, #24 in the polls. End of year, not even in
Top 25 and this is a team whose fans thought they would be playing for the NC.
What a JOKE
It was just too painful to watch. I finally had to turn off the TV and listen on
the radio... then I simply moved into a distant room. Painful.The
wholloping that went on will now make the cougars either hungry and wake them
up, or it will actually expose that the much vaunted "character" of this team
simply hasn't lived up to all the hype. In the coming weeks we will be able to
judge just what kind of a team the Cougars really are. I have no predictions
because this is soley in the hands of Max Hall and company.
So, let's take stock of the rest of the season. What do we play for? The Las
Vegas Bowl? Wahoo!!!!! How does Craig Thompson still show his face anywhere in
the mountain west? BYU can still have a great season, being one of three teams
in the conference ranked in the top 25, but thanks to Craig's sweet
negotiations, we get jack for a bowl. Conference USA gets the Liberty Bowl?! Oh
Well, at least we get the chance to play UCLA again.Fire Thompson.
Get a bowl. Get a TV Deal.
Now you know how we felt back in '05 when TCU beat the Utes in Texas to end our
winning streak back in the Urban/Smith era. Sorry cougs!byu will
drop to 17-18 with the loss. They should have never been in the top 10 in the
first place. face it byu- you have a good football team, just not a great one!
get off your high horse and face the facts here.
I hate to say this, but I expected this to happen. I didn't even want to turn
on the TV because of my fears for this game. Over the past few weeks, BYU has
played with less and less intensity and heat and I think has started thinking
that they are simply entitled to win because...??? Because of a lofty motto???
I don't know. It's been painful to watch. BYU definately has talent, but
somehow the hunger, heat, ferocity seems to be missing. TCU was "wow!" last
night in every aspect and deserved the "W". I think Utah is in for a spanking
and that the Frogs will probably take the conference championship. Unless BYU
gets fired up and starts bringing some heart, they'll finish third behind Utah
(and it really hurts to say that). And stop thinking about the BCS! That train
has left the station. Harmon nailed it. (Go Dick!)
If TCU had played with the same intensity against Oklahoma as they did last
night they would have won that game too! If they can continue to play with that
kind of passion for the rest of season, I have no doubt they will go undefeated
the rest of the season. I have to admit I really like TCU and I
think the edge goes to them to win the conference, even though Utah is higher in
the polls. I cant say I liked the result of the game, but I can say
I thought TCU showed a lot of class in their victory!
First off--congratulations to TCU--from what I heard, they played great and
really manhandled the Cougars. I did not get to see the whole game, but looking
at the play-by-play on ESPN's site, there appear to be a couple of positives one
can take away. BYU had a couple of good first-half drives into TCU territory.
One ended on a failed 4th-and-1, another on an INT at the 19. In the 4th, BYU
turned it over on an INT at the TCU goal line after a good drive of 53 yards.
They also fumbled on the TCU 7 after a drive of 92(!!!) yards. Better execution
on a handful of plays, and maybe BYU scores thos four times. That's as much as
28 points. It's not like the Cougars played like complete dreck--TCU is good
and (according to my son) all over BYU the entire game. To have had that many
chances, the Cougars couldn't have been THAT bad. The season's not over. Utah
beats TCU, BYU beats Utah, and there's a three-way tie atop the MWC. I'm not
counting on the BCS this year after last night, but it's not all doom and gloom,
people. More to play for. MTinMD
And I totally understand I've just laid out the weakest coulda-woulda-shoulda
post ever. The fact remains--the Cougars did make those mistakes, TCU did
capitalize on them, and the Cougars lost. My point was simply that as bad as
the score was, with better execution of a few plays, the Cougars might well have
made a game of it despite being badly overmatched physically.--MT in
While we all know that BYU was overrated, I think Utah fans are forgetting
something here: Don't rub it in! BYU lost, ok ok, sucks for them. TCU is tough,
especially in FT. Worth. Now let's just not mention anything, because all Utah
fans know, that if Utah loses a game this year, all those annoying little Cougar
fans will be out in full force rubbing it in. Let's show a little more class
than we are showing, and a little more class than we know they will show,
because we all know BYU fans have a hard time showing class.
Did the world just come to an end? Is the Antichrist suddenly in charge?The Cougars just lost their first game in over a year.Everybody relax and enjoy the games this weekend.Smile. The sun
is shining. Life is good.
You blame it on the media. When is BYU and it's fan base going to take
responsibility of their actions. It was your coach who launched that inane
'Quest for Perfection' campaign and announced it to the world. It was his
moronic fans who bought into it and advanced the cause. To refresh
your memory regarding Urban Myer, it was the 2004 Utes who handed BYU $1 Million
dollars after their BCS game. BYU's greedy outstretched hand was more than
willing to take it to pay off a coach who's offense at LSU has since won a
national championship. The University of Utah AND BYU both thank Urban Myer and
his coaching staff for the gift. Don't blame Utah posters for bringing it
up...YOU did it brother 'Might I Point Out.'Less than a year latter,
BYU's self-serving world was rocked when one of their own (Kyle Wittingham) said
no thank you to their head coach offer. Wittingham rebuilt Utah's program. We
thank you, Coach Wittingham.BYU --- STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS AND
DEAL WITH IT!
The cougs did not do themselves any favors by printing the "Quest for
Perfection" clothing line. The BCS was always one of the goals by players, and
coaches alike. We absolutely were unprepared, and out-classed last
night. Great game to TCU. The fact that we were in the red-zone on three
occaisions and only came away with one score tells it all. TCU deserves
everything they get. We'll see if they can play the same way on Nov 7th in SLC.
we knew byu's defense was weak after the Washington game, but turns out the
offense was overrated also. this isn't a big surprise.
I remember listening to BYU basketball in the early 50's when my older first
sisters enrolled. I spent a lot of cold winter nights in front of the radio -
KSL was really a clear channel station. I lost a lot of interest when the game
became an urban pickup game, and contact sport, instead of skill and grace
(think J Havlecek, L Bird). I didn't follow football as much, because they
seldom won until about the time of Tommy Hudspeth. It got more interesting as
they won some games and TV came around and the great QB's.But even then
what I learned was that in order to be a BYU sports fan, you needed to have a
martyr complex gene. BYU will invariably lose some games they need to win to
command respect, and/or will fail to win some games, that they should have a
chance to win, that would give them respect as an underdog or spoiler.If
you can't deal with that,and say "oh well" you probably need to find another
team to follow. Otherwise you will find yourself out in the garden often eating
worms and crying "wo is me".
That's the number that gets you nowhere in the MWC. If you were in the SEC it
would get you a title game. 11 - 1 is a great great season except in the West
cause 80% of the population lives east of the mississippi and could care-a-less
about the MWC. Motto of the MWC: One and Done. Oh opps that's BYU's
basketball teams motto.
All the talk about National Title and then get whupped by the 4th or 5th best
team just in Texas.Take it one week at a time.
Nice Dream you have going there for BYU, there is no way the BCS takes a 1 loss
BYU team even if they are Lucky enough and I say Lucky as in the last 2 years to
win. That loss to TCU will hurt them in the polls. Utah Will Beat the Kittens on
11/22 and be unbeaten and get another BSC shot. Somthing BYU has not been able
to do yet. No 1 loss non BCS School will make it to a BCS game with all the
current powers out there. Go UTES
sorry about the thrashing, guys.it will still be a great year, however.some folks on the posts had the poor taste to compare BYU to Georgia or
Florida and suggest BYU could compete in the SEC.BYU was humiliated
by TCU who was soundly beaten by Oklahoma who has an appointment for a bowl
thrashing from an SEC team.wait and see.mark my words.take it to the bank.there is no substitute for playing a tough
schedule week in and week out.As long as they play in the Middlin
Weak Conference BYU will never develop the toughness to compete nationally.NEVER.there is nothing wrong with that but you must adjust
your expectations to reality.continue to be a big fish in a teeny
tiny pond if you like; but please don't whine about not getting respect, you
won't have earned or deserve it.AND DONT DARE EVER COMPARE YOURSELF
TO THE SEC AS LONG AS YOU PLAY A MWC SCHEDULE. Or get a real
schedule and run with the big dogs.pick.one or the
other.but not both.now let's not have anymore whining,
An 11-1 MWC schedule gets you nowhere, not because people in the East don't care
about the MWC but because the MWC is a WEAK conference and an undefeated record
there isn't worth much.
BYU was really shown who they are. Slow white guys. Good against mediocre teams
but bad against really good teams. Sorry BYU fans but reality really hurts. Your
not that good. Utah is clearly the better team in the MWC and their game against
TCU will prove that. BYU was clearly out coached also. Their Defensive schemes
were awful. 8 guys dropped back and they still left receivers wide open. Why
didn't they put preassure on the quarter back in passing situations?????
I agree, a one loss team to the BCS has never been done. That is why it will be
done by the originals of college football. The BYU COUGARS... Last time I heard
"it has never been done before" was in the Fall of 1984 You might be too young
to remember how that turned out. go to your Wikipedia and look it up. BYU is the most respected non BCS player out there. Like a USC, TEXAS or
OKLAHOMA , BYU has a title and respect. That is why they'll still be in the top
20 after this weekends polls. I get it Ute fans, if we were Utah
and lost 32-7 it would be over.BCS are you kidding? But we aren't Utah. Just
like Nationally respected USC is already back five weeks after a loss. So Will
the most Nationally respected non BCS team BYU. I hate to tell you this Ute fan.
But without the ring, you don't have respect. 2) You are nationally
irrelevant, college football has forgotten about 2004...Why? Because you just
excited by winning 1 game, not a national championship.Keep trying!
See you on 11/22/08
THE TEAM THAT GETS LOWEST IN THE TRENCHES WILL WIN EVERY TIME. BYU'S OFFENSIVE
LINE WAS "STANDING UP" ON ABOUT EVERY PLAY!! TCU'S DEFENSIVE PLAYERS WERE NO
HIGHER THAN BYU'S OFFENSIVE PLAYERS BELT BUCKEL, SO ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS
PUSH THEM BACK INTO HALL (REASON FOR ALL THE SACKS).AND THE REASON HALL COULD
NOT SEE HIS RECEIVERS. IF BYU IS TO WIN ANYMORE GAMES, THEY NEED TO GET DOWN ON
THEIR HANDS AND KNEES IN EVERY PLAY, LIKE A GOAL YARD STANCE.. DONT UNDERSTAND
WHY A COACH IN THE BOOTH COULD NOT SEE THAT. ALSO WHEN THEY TRIED TO TACKLE
SOMEONE, THEY DID NOT "GO THROUGH THEM".. LOOKED LIKE A JUNIOR HIGH TEAM ON THE
FIELD LAST NIGHT....HOPE THEY GET THE "FUNDAMENTALS" DOWN BEFORE THEIR NEXT
Predictions...BYU V Forida in the Sugar Bowl (Unless BYU can improve
in coverage on that "out" route Florida will win by 7-10 points)TCU
v Oregon in Las Vegas (should be a good matchup. I like TCU by 14)Utah V Navy in Poinsettia Bowl. (Utah has a good team and with Sakoda will
beat them by a field goal)It'll be a great post season for the sate
We all saw this coming, after the big games, Utah State and New Mexico were huge
"We're Slipping" games. The offense thought they could not be beat, well guess
what, they could, and BADLY!!! However if you think the "Quest for Perfection"
was soundly beaten last night, you don't know much about Bronco Mendenhall or
what "The Quest" even means! It isn't about a "Perfect" season, it's about a
quest for striving to improve their life style, and who each of them is as an
individual and as a team! If you think last nights loss ended the "Quest", you
miss the whole point Bronco and the team are trying to make! If they take this
as a learning experience and come out and crush everyone the way they did to
UCLA through the rest of the season, then the Quest "On The Field" is STILL a
success! If they lie down and lose another, it's a failure. If they hold their
heads up high and improve their attitude, their love of community and fans, it's
still a success, if they shrivel and shrink, it's a failure. How can you measure
something most of you can't even understand? It's Not-About-Just-Football!!!
BYU's season is over as far as the BCS. You are not USC.You will not climb back into contention.The best thing you can do
is lose to Utah to save some face for the conference.I can not stand
the BYU fans who think they still have a chance to win it all.IT'S
I agree that Bronco needs to rethink his no real contact during practice
philosophy. It may prevent some bumps and bruises, but seems to have lead to
nothing but extremely weak physical play.In addition, despite being
outclassed in team speed, on offense BYU was much to late in trying to go north
and south and kept trying to go for the big play which never materialized. On
defense, it was the typical, hang back trying not to get beat deep, instead only
giving up easy first down after first down.
Stop throwing rocks at each other. The game is over and stop feeling sorry for
yourselves. You guys sound like the characters in "The Holy Grail" its
sickening. Oh by the way, TCU will win the conference.
Will- you are the kind of fan every team loves.1. Neither Ball
State, Tulsa or BYU have a shot at a BCS game no matter what happens.2. A
one loss TCU has the only shot (if the one loss is to Oklahoma) but don't count
on that.3. Comparing BYU's national rep to USC is silly.4. BYU has
an absolutely terrible national rep. In fact they have done more to hurt the
Wac and MWC conferences image than any team in either conference. Why? Look at
BYU's non-conf record for the past 28 years. They are below 40% against the pac
10 and are below 45% in all non-conf games excluding USU and 1-AA teams. They
have a Dismal Bowl record and all these stats are worse in the last 15 years.5. BYU tried to game the system this year and was in your face about it.
Having the 121st schedule does not help. Being ranked 35th in the computers
doesn't help. Being out of the top 12 with Utah at 9th in the mock BCS poll
doesn't help. BYU the pretender with a weak schedule that like the
last2 years lost their only tough games.
Oh that reply was just too good to pass up!"It was your coach who
launched that inane 'Quest for Perfection' campaign and announced it to the
world. It was his moronic fans who bought into it and advanced the cause."PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that Coach
Mendenhall laid out a motto for his team this year (as it appears he will be
doing on an annual basis), and someone over at the bookstore decided it'd be
cool to print it up on $5 T-shirts. Anything incorrect so far?As
for announcing it to the world...the only reason the world ever put it into
headlines is because they came looking for it! I'm SORRY if you're hurt because
the last time anyone came looking for a headline in Salt Lake was when Urban was
running things! Don't worry, that'll change soon. Very soon. K-Whit's headed
over to ESPN to run HIS mouth off about how great Utah's program is and how
unfair the neglect toward them has been. Enjoy the headlines, enjoy the
spotlight! And please try to enjoy November 22nd when the Cougs make you
11-1.I'm glad BYU rejected your application.
As long as the Y continues to believe the "best student-athletes" to recruit
come from Timpview, and ignore other regions, they will not be putting the best
team on the field.
Personally I believe that BYU will lose to Colorado State and Utah, Air Force
will be another Utah State game. Hall is sooo over-rated!
Amen to that. If you are a BYU fan and don't get that idea you need to rethink.
Football is the medium through which he is molding these men and if we are
paying attention and willing we can also be a part of that in a way as fans. I
know I can learn a lot from last night's experience.
Look at the teams that are consistently the upper echelon of the Non BCS teams:
Boise St.,BYU,TCU,Utah. Of those teams, BYU lacks a real program defining win.
BSU beat OU, TCU beat OU (on the road), Utah in the big house(none of the wins
in 2004 carry the same recognition, bc the lousy Pitt team they played in the
Fiesta). The last win that I can recall was beating Notre Dame on the road in
1994. Byu needs to improve scheduling. BYU has had a good run record wise over
the last 3 years, but not one of their wins fits a program defining win. All of
the teams in the MWC have been flawed over the last 3 years, good, but flawed.
BYU was simply the better of the flawed the last 2 years. But the national
polls this year were based more on record over the last 2 years than any real
analysis of their wins to date, therefore the "paper tiger" charge is
accurate.If anyone can name a win that fits this category, my memory
isn't perfect, please post it here and we can discussJarid in Cedar
BYU came face to face with the reality of college football last night:1. Execution can beat undisciplined speed.2. Execution can not beat
well coached speed.Most of the college football world understands
that. That is why Michigan is willing to take the humiliation of a poor season
while athletes learn Rodriquez's system. Michigan will be back.I
believe that this leaves BYU with 1 win against top 25 competition since 1997
with something like 15 to 20 tries. That means that BYU has a 5% winning
average when it counts. This compares very unfavorably to upper mid-level SEC
programs like Arkansas with many wins against Top-25 programs in the same time
period.We should now come down to earth. We don't know how good
Utah is yet, we will get a sense when they play TCU.
Who is that #11 Runback spec. Tell him to leave his wheelchair on the plane next
time. He so slow Grandma caught him! Hasn't anybody heard of mis-direction plays
back there?Poor coaching, no play calling, Brother!Spare me another
You probably should have passed up the urge to respond, here we go...You are correct, Mendenhall laid out his motto 'Quest For Perfection' though I
would like to better understand your basis for saying he will do so every year.
I would like to think he has learns from his mistakes; maybe not, I don't
personally know the man. With respect to "someone over at the
bookstore" printing up the t-shirts, I thank you for filling in that piece of
information for me and yes, THAT would be the moronic fans to which I referred
in my 11:41am post. May I ask what you are going to do with your t-shirt?Further, there is no need to apologize for BYU grabbing headlines. I
would hope that no one at Utah ever comes up with a gimmick to grab attention.
The message from up on the hill has been consistent and clear since the season
began, the "goal is a conference championship." I am not aware
of Coach Wittingham running to ESPN for the discussion you refer to above.
Would you care to enlighten me?Your statements appear to support my
conclusions, thank you. More to follow...
Continued...Here is the key point that I want to make sure is very
clear to you...While I understand your desire for BYU to rain on
Utah's BCS parade, I encourage you to be very careful about what you wish for or
at least ensure that you understand the costs of the scenario you laid out in
your 2:06 pm post.You are entitled to cheer for whomever you wish.
However, if (and it is a HUGE IF) Utah is 11 - 0 on November 22nd, and BYU wins
that game, there will be no BCS bowl for Utah and it will cost BYU $1
Million.Therefore, the scenario you put forward places BYU fans in a
bit of a conundrum, does it not. A loss for an undefeated Utah will cost BYU $1
Million. Choose carefully, my friend, but understand all the consequences of
your choice. Is your personal pride worth the price in the long run???There now, aren't you glad you made that reply?
You people are delusional. If you learn anything from Mendenhall it should be
to not make promises you can't keep.
As a Ute fan, I've been losing sleep worrying about the BYU game. Last night
was an eye-opener. Even though Utah is ranked higher than TCU, I think TCU has
firmly established itself as the team to beat this year. Sometimes
plans change and sometimes that's too bad. It would have been insane if BYU and
Utah had undefeated records when meeting up this year. Sigh.
actually keith it was about going undeated.
re; ProvoBrothers | 3:05 p.m. Oct. 17, 2008 I said coming into this
year that Max was no John Beck who is holding a clipboard for my favorite NFL
you are my hero. Don't let some UTE push you around.
re: Now they've shown their colors | 9:06 a.m. Oct. 17, 2008 Utah
has been to the Big House and Won!
What happened to Mendenhallism - the art of assignment football last night?I thought Band of Brothers was a played out logo but Quest... was
worseTo paraphrase the old knight in Indiana Jones 3, "They chose
Who are you referring to? I have followed that conversation and it seems to me
that "Re:Re: Might I Point Out 2:06pm" should quit now while he is way behind.
The post at 5:03 pm is a very interesting observation and worth a
look. Check it out.
kool-aid has officially run dry!! Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
Jeffrey Dahmer was a HORRIBLE human being, comparing TCU to him is in very bad
taste Dick. Your a sore loser and could use some class, congrats to TCU for
finally showing the nation what we all knew, the qwest was a jinx from their
coach (bronco should be fired for that alone), going to the movies during summer
practice instead of preparing for tough teams is just dumb, and the Cougars are
a horrible road team.
Enjoy the smack while you can Utah fans. Just remember you didn't earn it and
you won't until Nov. 22. You better hope you win that game or we will have to
ban the sale of all razor blades in the Salt Lake Valley.Now that
I've had my fun with the Ute fans, let me just say that BYU laid a dinosaur egg
last night. Wow! When Bronco said they could learn a lot from that game, he
wasn't kidding. I hope they can rebound enough to win out, but realisticaly,
they have a lot of work to do. Props to TCU; they were definitely the better
team. Enjoy it Ute fans; I know you've been waiting a long time for BYU to lose
HAHA! That was truly funny! I loved it!
SEC? PLEASE!! They are typically good, but not this year. Florida lost to
Mississippi, and then went on and killed LSU. Vanderbilt lost to Miss St!
Georgia just barely pulled out a win against a very weak SC team. That leaves
Alabama who barely pulled the win against KY who was beat soundly by SC! The
winner of the Big 12 will win the National Championship. I'm guessing the
matchup will be between Texas and Penn State.Incidentally, TCU
played Oklahoma a lot closer than the score suggests. They should've been
ranked in the top 15 by this game. They were ranked until they lost to OK. Now
they will be ranked about where they belong
I would put the MWC as 3rd or 4th strongest in the nation. Look at how many
ranked teams are in the MWC. Now look at the PAC 10, the Big 10, the ACC, and
the Big East! The MWC dominated the PAC 10 6-1 in non-conference play! I think
that BYU, Utah, and TCU could make a game with the conference champion of three
of those 4 conferences. The Big 12 champion and Penn State are the schools I
would worry about. If Brian Johnson could play like he is capable of for a
whole game, I think Utah would be unstoppable.
You're dreaming. For BYU to get a BCS bowl, you would have to have all the rest
of the BCS schools that didn't win their championship with two losses.
Plausible, but extremely unlikely. But hey, why not dream big?!On
the second count, I don't see Boise State losing. Fresno St or San Jose State
have a chance, but they both look like weaker teams compared to Boise. But hey,
you're dreaming big, so why not?Finally, your thoughts of winning
Utah are extremely unlikely. You've lucked out two years in a row. I doubt
that lightning is going to strike three times. Utah has an even better running
game, and the defense looks really solid. Brian Johnson also knows how to pull
it out. Just wished he would do it all game long. Perhaps he needs to imagine
the team is down by 7 all game?
I am greatly disappointed in the Y. First of all, I wanted them undefeated so
that Utah would've been thrashing a top 10 team when they played. I was
nervous, about that game. I still am, but I am a little less nervous. I told
everybody the TCU game was going to prove if BYU deserved to be so highly
ranked, and unfortunately, they didn't. I have also been telling people that
TCU belongs in the top 15. After winning this game, they hopefully will be put
someplace close to that. I hope they move up in the rankings in time for the
Utah game. I can't say I'm not nervous about this game. TCU is a good team.
They beat OK the year they almost went undefeated. Unfortunately, they did a
Utah. After killing the giant, they thought they were instoppable, and they
lost to SMU just like Utah lost to UNLV. Granted, that was a different year,
but they look pretty good this year. I think Utah can beat them. Thank heavens
it's a home game. I'm a little more nervous about the TCU game now! Take it
one game at a time! GO UTAH!!!
Let me guess. Harline is still open? Actually he is I saw him selling a couple
RE: Will & othersPlease "Will" are you really comparing BYU to USC?
NOT!!!!! BYU..up to this point hasn't played any worthy opponent until last
night. My hat is off to the "HornFrogs" that was some of the best defense I have
witness in a long time. Yes BYU as a team had their buttesemos beat like they
stolen something. However, they should rebound and recover in the Mountain West
Con. I still don't believe they are top ten material. NO!!! I am not a ute fan
either. Now the bigger question is how will they handle the recovery
and remainder of their season. I noticed some of my "Cougar" neighbors taking
down their flags today. Is that "fair weather fanage" already weakening? Top
Ten, BCS Bowls, National Championship you guys really make me smile...
Actually, it will be:BYU 11-1 (TCU)Utah 11-1 (BYU)TCU
10-2 (OU and Utah)MWC is balanced, tough...
You need speed. You need speed. You need athletic speed. With little
diversity on the campus, those athletes that bring the speed are difficult to
recruit. You may need to change the make-up of the faculty, and the coaching
staff, and the student population some. You don't need to change your doctrine
or principles, just get everyone to stand for them, love your brother. Those
currently on campus may need to do their part to help a brother or sister of
diversity be comfortable. Genuinely comfortable. You need athletic speed. Can
you win without the speed? Can you conquer the "Quest for Perfection" without
including representatives of full diversity? You need speed to go forward.
Shut your traps...1. You ain't played 'em yet....2.
You ain't beat us yet....3. Harline is still open when it comes to
the Yewts.4. We WILL beat you in Salt Lake.5. Shut up
and take care of the upstarts from Texas, then we'll see you November 22.6. Yewts need to "remember" (as the Book of Mormon says) a few
embarassing losses they've had.
byu is garbage. i knew they were over rated and when they played a real team
they would lose. ha ha pathetic cougars.!!!!!!!!! over rated ...
BYU has been laying eggs since after the first quarter at USU. I was at that
game, usually cheer for the Aggies (no I didnt join in in the overrated chants),
but thought it would be fun to see a team from Utah bust the BCS again. What I
saw was absolutely horrible but overshadowed because there was a W at the end of
the game. Same with the New Mexico game. Wins never really make you wake up if
you've played a bad game. TCU saw something in those two games that obviously
gave them an area to hurt the Cougars. Overrated after all. I so wish I would
have chanted, even though it seemed silly at the time. :)
The last two games before TCU had me wondering: is something wrong with BYU or
are they just unable to get UP for a game because they felt the competition was
beneath them?I had hoped that USU and New Mexico were like practice
games - but I couldn't shake that uneasy feeling. This proves it, they've gone
soft, squishy, and are eating way too many cupcakes. The first four
games of the season showed greatness, efficiency, determination, and class.
Then, as always, BYU football proves it can't handle a big ego. We always blow
it when it REALLY counts, don't we? I'm not talking about the Vegas bowl, or any
other crap bowl game. I'm talking about elevating BYU to a top 10 or top five
permanent position, and being consistent. We just don't have it in us to be
staunch top-tier gritty competitors game after game, year after year. I would
feel different today if we'd lost by a few points and remained competitive in
this game. But we covered our faces and got stomped!!! What is wrong with us?I greatly fear BYU will end up third or fourth in the MWC now!
In 40 years of watching I have never seen BYU come out like TCU did Thurs.
night. Absolutely emotionless is how these guys play. We play prevent defense
every down - 10 yars of cushion. When are we going to recruit some guys that
actually play pass defense? The game Thursday was lost in the lines. Our O line
was pathetic. I actually am starting to miss the days of more penalties on our
team. It shows we're not trying that hard. There just isn't any ambition and
drive on any part of this team. That's why they will lose 2 more games. Pity
after getting through the first part of their schedule FOR ONCE.
>>Utah has been to the Big House and Won!
I'm sorry for the players and fans that BYU lost. It's never fun to have a team
you love so much lose such an important game. But not sorry enough where
Boise State has one less team to contend with for the BCS. Better
luck next season when we start playing ya! :)By the way...A heartfelt thanks to BYU for offering to play Boise when no one else would.
...The picture of the TCU D lineman BULL RUSHING the BYU O lineman while sacking
My prediction. Utes will lose to Boise State in the Las Vegas Bowl 32-3.
To Re:Fully Invested, you're right. They just waited until TCU to lay the big
one. I realyy wasn't too surprised by the TCU game. Kind of saw it coming, but
the blue blood wouldn't let me admit it. To the Ute fans, like the moron who
posted at 11:20, for a bunch of fans who made fun of a slogan that they didn't
even understand, they sure were quick to steal it. But it's ok, I actually find
it quite flattering. Go ahead and copy it, we all understand that you didn't
have enough courage to come up with your own.
It's Bronco that has finally been exposed. Quest for perfection? Fully invested?
Get real! You've got these kids all messed up in the head. Coach football or go
teach seminary. Real football isn't for "nice" boys. It's a man's game. You
can't have it both ways. Coach the game the way it's meant to be played or don't
bother having a program.
Chicken Tail, you obviously know nothing of which you speek. If you knew
anything about BYU and it's campus, you would know that it is one of the most
culturaly diverse campus's in the states. Yes, they have a small recruiting
base; and yes, they have to deal with the revolving crousel of returned
missionaries. Those things are a constant at BYU. The thing that you have to
realize, is that Bronco really means it when he says that football is not and
should not be the number one priority for his players. His first priority has to
do more with spiritual matters, not football; and if you knew anything about the
LDS church, then you would know that that is something about BYU that will never
change. After all, it is a religious institution.
Hey Coaching, so you can't win a football game unless you have a group of beer
drinking, religion hating, women chasing young men? Please clarify, because
Bronco only expects these young men to represent the University. When are people
going to understand that Bronco is doing what he was hired to do? In his
interview for the job, Elder Eyring never asked one question about football.
I'll tell you this much Coaching, the day that the program goes the direction
you are suggesting will be the day BYU drops football. Either be a fan or don't.
Maybe ther is a few BYU fans who need to get off the fence.
Why so defensive. Consider reality for a moment. From experience I know what I
am talking about, as a student, as a member, as a former BYU faculty member,
still actively involved in all phases of building the kingdom. I have
encouraged many young people to go to BYU, especially the culturally diverse
students. I am one of those myself. I even admire Mendenhall as a
coach and leader of young men; he has a near unique perspective. He builds men
(people of faith), not football geeks or jocks.For over sixty years
I have stayed with a culture that can make it difficult to be comfortable. The
culture however is of the people, not of the doctrine or principles. But I
believe the doctrine, and there are many bros and sis(enough for me) who do
their part to help with the social environment.If you want the speed
that mostly only a greater diversity of student athletes can bring, BYU's people
(faculty, students, supporters) has got to improve some things. The social
environment. Zion ain't here yet. Don't call me Chicken Tail, or
some Ute fans 'morons' and I will be more comfortable with the likes of you.
The real defition of a LOSER.. is one who enjoys the failures of others. Plenty
of losers on this site today.
I bookmarked this guestbook. Thank you for good job!.I am from India and
too bad know English, give please true I wrote the following sentence: "Because
the warmer seasons are lasting longer, many places in the northern hemisphere
are having problems with fleas."With best wishes :p, Ines.
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Good Day. If you watch a game, it's fun. If you play at it, it's recreation. If
you work at it, it's golf.I am from Kuwait and learning to write in
English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "The stock
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addition, receiving its advantageous intermediary chen jiulin with months using
up to exchange and the preferential algo of the cash.":-( Thanks in
Badly need your help. I write because I'm afraid to say some things out loud.I am from Peru and know bad English, please tell me right I wrote the
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