John L. would be great, but at this point I would take a good little league
What a boost that would be to the football program.... thats what we need to get
things rolling again in the right direction.
The biggest thing the Aggies need to find in a coach, is someone with ties to
Logan or at least to Utah, and who wants to stay in Logan, even after mild
success. John L, only had modest success at USU, and was still able to leverage
that into moving on. Don't bring him back. Find someone IN the state of Utah
with ties to the state. Try getting a JC Head Coach or Assistant at BYU or
UofU. THEN: 1) Use the LDS Missionary program to the Advantage of Logan, too; 2)Quit "overscheduling" with your nonconference
games; and alternate playing BYU OR UofU each year (not both---you are not a
rival, you are an easy "W")3) Focus on local: Become a program where kids
from Utah want to stay, who maybe weren't recruited by Utah or BYU, but who
still have the heart to play.
Please let this rumor be true! Missing the point you are missing the point!
USU football is terrible, pathetic, ridiculous...there aren't enough adjectives.
The Stew Morrill model won't necessarily work in football. It's time to bring
in a coach that can elevate the program...even if he eventually moves on. The
point is to get rid of a terrible coach in Brent Guy, bring in someone who can
win and start opening booster wallets and then hope that the momentum can
continue once he leaves. Who's to say Smith wouldn't stay. He has some Utah
roots. USU can't get rid of Brent Guy soon enough.
Bring in former Aggie QB and offensive guru- Mike (Chico) Canales. I guarantee
the wins would come.
An interesting trend in terms of who is playing at Utah State can be seen.
Utah, BYU, Weber State, and Southern Utah, all have about 40-45% of their
rosters from Utah (with California second, at give 20-30%). Dixie State has an
even higher percentage from Utah. But, USU has the opposite of the other four
Division I schools, with about 40% from California and 20% of the kids from
Utah. I wonder why USU gets so many kids from California and not that many from
Utah. Utah: 43.4% from Utah; 29.2% from CaliforniaBYU: 41.3%
from Utah; 19.2% from CaliforniaUtah State: 43.9% from California; 19.4%
from UtahWeber State: 39.5% from Utah; 26.7% from CaliforniaSouthern
Utah: 45.2% from Utah; 18.3% from CaliforniaDixie State: 65.2% from Utah;
8.0% from Idaho; 6.1% from California
You are right on! John L skipped town once already, why wouldn't he do it
again?There are plenty of high quality coaches in the state of Utah. What
USU needs is a young energetic staff that already has ties to Utah. Either a
high school coach or heck, why not Snow College. They already have a pretty
good recruiting system in Utah, and before you say "That's JC and not a 4-year
school" recruiting is recruiting. They have a relationship built up with the
state high school coaches that I'm sure would make the transition pretty easily.
On the other hand USU isn't going to change with just Utah players. They need
to recruit out of state as well. The biggest thing that has to
change is the culture. Once a team gets used to winning there is no turning it
around. USU needs to change it's culture and the first way to change that is to
get a new coach. I say do something daring like hire a HS or JC coach.
Besides, what have you got to lose?!
John L returned to the University of Idaho and quit on the team half way through
the season. Talk to Vandal fans,he would be the worst thing to happen to Aggie
football. Brent Guy may be lacking in some things but at least he is an
honorable man, John L. not so much
They play football in Logan?
I hope they are looking for a new head Coach and I hope they have a deal in the
works because it can't happen soon enough. They could even fire Guy and Dickey
today and let the assistants take over for the rest of the season. Anything to
shake things up. I am sure they could do better or no worse than Guy.
Hire me. I absolutely destroy my sons in Madden 2000 and I have strong
connections to the Cache Valley region. I love Utah State for it's ice cream and
I always stop there for groceries before heading up to Bear Lake.
That comment is absolutely ridiculous. John L. was at Idaho for one stint, and
he won, and won championships............He has 180+ wins in Div. I football.
Don't spread rumors u can't back up.
What would be the point of hiring someone who left your program before.
Wouldn't that be taking a step backward? Let's try to relive the old glory day.
Maybe after Bronco retires BYU will bring back Lavell too! For a
program like USU, brining back a previous coach would be a huge mistake. They
need new blood, new ideas, a new culture. The athletic department needs to make
Things that need to change to make USU respectable1) Coach
Continuity - When kids are being recruited, they need to know that the Coach
they are committing to, is also committing to them, and is gonna be there for
them, and not gonna leave for greener pastures. So yes, I think the Stew Morril
model is a necessity. 2) Recruitment - This is a staggering
problem. Yes, only 20% of the team is from Utah, and I bet a good portion were
actually just walk-ons. As a recent former Aggie Athlete, who interacted with
many of the football players on a daily basis. I noticed the ones with no ties
to Utah, hated being in Logan, and only went there because they had no other
options, and are not invested in the team whatsoever, as long as school and
everything else is being paid for, might as well just go through the motions.
Why not hire Sky View's Coach. He took the Sky View program from near death to
a powerhouse this year. I saw them play Fremont. They didn't have the best
talent, but work together as a team. And he's allready living in Cache Valley
so the University could save on moving expenses. Logan's high school coach is
pretty good too, but Logan plays 3A with a 4A population and there's the whole
Riley Nelson thing that can make any coach look good. Or they could
hire the head coaches of all the cache valley high schools. Sky View (offense)
Logan (head) and Mountain Crest (deffense)
2) (continued) - It is obvious that other teams at USU who are extremely
competitive in their respective sports, have a strong recruiting base in Utah,
Idaho, and Wyoming. If anyone has been tracking the local prep teams, and
how they have fared against powerhouse teams from Ohio, Texas, Hawaii and
California. It is apparent Utah football is on par, and shows there is talent
in the state. Obviously, the Y and the U, will get the cream of the crop in
state, but what's wrong with recruiting the kid who is the 3rd, 4th, 5th, best
athlete on a state championship team? The kid loves football, wants to play,
give him a shot. At least he will have an investment into the team and show
some heart. Heart goes a long way in sports! 3) Culture - It makes
no sense to try to change the culture of the team, when you ask them to go into
conference play with an 0-3 record. Winning promotes winning, and losing
promotes losing. Yeah, its nice to get $500,000 check to show up to lose, but
is the loss of confidence really worth it.
3) Scheduling - This tends to be synonymous with Culture, but instead of going
to Nebraska, Alabama, and Oregon. Why not bring Weber State, Idaho State, and
such in. Yes, you lose the BIG payday, but you save on travel costs, and most
likely an increase in ticket sales, because the team is no longer 0-3, but 3-0.
Which can make the local following want to support the team, and a home game
actually becomes a home game, and it's not an empty stadium at the end of the
year, which has become common place. I honestly feel, if these
things are taken care of, the program will become great and exciting for Aggies.
If Boise State, and Fresno State can do it, we can too.
To: How about Sky View's coach?, The kids that have been winning
the past two years and this year at SV have ALWAYS won since they were 8 years
old. That is the best four year group in a row they have ever had. The groups
coming up are another story all together. Anyone can win with good kids. The
kids brought this program back.
Brent Guy is a fine man and a solid coach. Yes, the game yesterday was brutal
for Aggie fans, but before we cast stones just three games into the season,
let's see how the rest of the season fares. I believe Brent is doing all he can
to restore some pride to Cache Valley. Let's get behind him, his assistants and
especially the players for the remaining of the year and then we can start
talking about change if needed. Personally, I would like to see Coach Guy in
Logan for many years to come assuming they can win 3-4 games this year and then
build from there.
I think if USU can get John L. Smith, they should. He's a proven winner and
recruiter. USU's programs has nowhere to go but up anyway, so what's the
difference. Ron McBride turned the Utes from a conference doormat
to a conference contender, and Weber St. has shown a lot of improvement. He
loves the area, and would be a good pick too. He's definitely the least likely
of the two to be shopping around for another big-time BCS program.
I know so many legit athletes from utah who love football and would die to play
somewhere but get looked at by nobody and just give up on the dream. Why cant
utah state pick up these players and offer them a scholorship?
John L is the right choice. He picked up scraps at USU the first time and built
a competitive program. He beat Utah his last two years and he played eye to eye
with BYU before he left. He picked up a Louisville team that was 1-10 and we all
know where he took them. He was Big-10 coach of the year his first year at
Michigan State with an 8-5 record, a school that's lacked tradition for many
years. Granted he stumbled, but unfortunately for him, BCS programs have the
knife to your throat when they hire you. John L. is dynamic, he will run a very
successful Aggie program. It won't be long until USU is throwing some fear at
the likes of Utah, BYU, Boise State and Fresno State. The young cubs from local
programs may be good coaches, but where we're at we need somebody that can sell
hot chocolate to people at the beach. John L. is the man.
I have preached patience for this football coaching staff for 3 years. Guy has
tried to build with freshmen and not quick JUCO fixes, I appreciate the effort
but enough is enough. The football program is an embarassment, and something
has to give. I'd take John L. Smith, Joseph Smith, Emmitt Smith, Tubby Smith,
even Smith and Edwards just make a move. It wasn't that long ago that a game
against Boise St. was an easy win, they turned their program around and we can
Four years with no sign of it getting better is too long! By now we should have
seen some signs of improvement. I mean, I know it will be no overnight turn
around but fans need to see improvement each year. As part of their re-build I
think the Aggies need new coaches and start doing different things with the
schedule.For me the jury is still out on who will be the best coach
to replace Guy. But I think USU needs to take a hiatus from playing BYU and the
U all together for 3 to 5 years as the new coach starts to rebuild. Getting both
BYU and the U off the schedule opens up the schedule tremendously. I'd
recommend striking a deal with Weber St. for an in-state game then scheduling a
weaker division 1 school also. This will give USU opportunities to get wins
before conference play begins. Once, the 3 to 5 years is over then I'd bring
back BYU and the U into our schedule.
Idaho Aggie....I think you have the wrong coach...that was Dennis Erickson, not
John L. Smith!I love JLS....he was an AWESOME coach at Idaho...hated
to see him leave here when he went to USU, but totally understood why he left
Idaho. He's awesome....USU would be lucky to have him back!
My first choice would be Tulsa OC Guz Malzahn if we could get him. Ask BYU
about his ability as an offensive coach. USU does not have Utah players for two
reasons: USU needs help now not two years after they return from their mission,
if they return from their mission, and USU is number three in Utah so we get
what BYU and Utah have already picked over in terms of D-1 talent.I
don't think USU has a chance at Malzahn because I think he will end up at a
Pac-10 school after this season (can you say Washington or WSU). The one thing
that we must have is someone who understands offense. A coach with
Utah ties is not what is needed, a coach who knows how to win and recruit is.
Iowa tried many coaches from Iowa and the midwest in the 70s Finally, in 1979
they hired Hayden Fry away from North Texas (had been at SMU) and the rest is
USU needs better athletes if they expect to improve. A coach with Guy's legacy
of loosing can't recruit them. I think the recent QB situation speaks volumes.
One potential QB starter defects to BYU and another quits football altogether
rather than play for Guy.This is the prime recruiting season for the
next generation of players. If USU wants to have a chance at them, Guy needs to
be fired NOW!!! USU can't afford to wait until the end of the season.John L. Smith would be a great choice because he's a good coach with a history
of success and he's available now. I think it's a foregone conclusion that this
is Guy's last season at USU. The longer Guy is retained, the more difficult it
will be for USU to improve in the foreseeable future
John L. would bring some much needed energy into the USU program, but is it
worth it? Unless a HUGE buy-out clause is inserted into the contract, I
wouldn't take the chance of him ditching the program (just like he did as USU
was playing in its last bowl game).USU needs continuity, and it
doesn't need a coach who is simply looking at filling a gap in his resume.
Idaho enjoyed Erickson's homecoming, but ask many of them if it was worth it
now? The bad PR that followed his departure overshadowed much of what he
brought in the first place.There are some dang good coaches out
there. I'd find one who has an eye on USU football for the next 10 years. Not
one who's looking at next year's coaching vacancies.
Did Guy look that way the entire game or was that just the best piccture you
could post? It looks like he just at a bunch of prunes. It's time for bye,bye
I am sorry, but you are wrong! If you get someone here with no Utah ties, they
will leave for greener pastures as soon as they can. I agree with GREAT POINT
you need continuity and if you haven't noticed, Brent Guy was considered to be a
good recruiter and a great coach. I really believe you need to find a coach
that wants to be in Logan, and is in it for the long haul, because if they are
not, they are more likely to cut corners. Also, you are wrong about
enough talent in the state, there is! its just that Utah State isn't willing to
invest anytime or willing to coach them up to be sound football players.
Utah State has the athletes, they just don't want to be there and don't care if
they win or lose. Look at the recent string of athletes that go to the NFL
(Chris Cooley, Jarret Bush, Ade Jimoh, etc.)Also, I think that John
L. Smith would welcome the chance to come back as he has seen the greener
pastures, and would revel in an opportunity without harsh criticism of the Big
Bring back the glory! Let's start really recruiting and giving a da**! This is a
proud/storied program. WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS CURRENT SICKENING "WHO CARES
ATTITUDE". I'm so sick of getting drop kicked by BYU and even worse the Utes. We
need to raise $$$ and get USU back on the map. We need to challenge BSU, Fresno
St. and Hawaii. Lets' go Aggies wake up!!
I am so so tired of USU losing. The coaching and the recruiting IS the problem.
I know of one kid recruited by other Universities but went to USU for the
Engineering program on an academic scholarship (I know it hard to believe that
there is a football player with a brain but it does happen) - he was dropped in
their lap and all they did was give him a couple of quick running drillings and
said sorry we just recruited a couple of kids out of California for that
position and we will stick with them - I was amazed but given their success all
the pieces fit - they are losers and need to go. This University is too good to
support a program that does not strive for excellence. I would also recommend
getting someone with ties to Utah or the intermountain west. We deserve better
and the State of Utah deserves better. USU football is a joke right now - get a
new coach the sooner the better!Should not wait until the season ends -
the BYU game is gona be ugly! What is Merlin doing these days? ha
It is up to a coach to decide who will bring more to the program - a local kid
of marginal D1 talent who really wants to play for USU or a California kid with
4.4 speed and size who doesn't. From what I see, Guy has managed to recruit
neither. And forget about "Utah ties" being a criteria. Money talks. Even
Utah can't pay enough to keep a really successful coach. Aggie fans should
start contibuting to a "Successful Coach" endowment in case we ever get lucky
again like we have with Stew!
lance reynolds or robert anae of the cougars would make a good head coach.
remember lance wanted the head coaching job at byu.... they both have good ties
here in utah and hawaii.
We tried that favorite coach returns thing with Dennis Erickson a couple years
ago. That turned out real well for us. Our program is worse off now than it
was the day he arrived. We lost scholarships because we had to get rid of his
thug recruits. And when he realized how bad the program was he left the first
chance he got. We love John L, but we'd never want him to be coach
again. If they can leave you once, they can leave you twice.