That is a huge number of colleges and administrators making this proposal. I
admit I'm surprised at how broad the support is for this. College bosses must be
realizing the liability that comes to them when kids come to them, parents
expect the college to watch out for the kid, and the kid drinks until death.
Very sad. Very good of the colleges to take this step.
Great Idea! It just doesn't seem like a match to see the Budweiser logo
superimposed on Y Mountain during an ESPN telecast of a BYU game. In watching
tapes of older and classic BYU games, it was so prevalent you got conditioned to
the ads. Of course with the introduction of the MWC presidents evil spawn "the
mnt" we haven't had to deal with the problem. There were so few or even no games
telecast that the sports world began calling the MWC the mushroom conference,
(keep them in the dark and cover them with, well you know).My only
question as a huge college football fan and non-drinker: do I have the right to
dictate to those who drink; my morals?Its like the pope and birth control.
If you don't play the game, you can't make the rules.
Reality is people drink, Reality is Beer Sells and Beer Commercials pay the
bills. Where you play at can and should be dry. The last College Football Game I
saw was BYU vs. Hawaii. I have not seen another one because Aloha Stadium is Wet
and all efforts to make it dry have failed. I did not want to subject myself or
my wife and kids to the stench and smell of Beer and Wine. However TV is a
little different and like I said pays the bills, so you may want it but perhaps
it is not the wisest thing to get it. I hate all Commercials anyhow but Free TV,
is not Free so we must endure, we do not have to buy the stuff. That said Bud
makes some of the Best Commercials Going.
Now if we could just get colleges to ban GUNS on campus...
"Now if we could just get colleges to ban GUNS on campus... "Why???People legally carry guns are very, very seldom a
problem.Do you really think a person planning on shooting up a
campus cares whether the campus bans guns?------------------------------There are plenty of other
advertisers out there who can fill the gap left by beer ads. It's time colleges
started being responsible for the message they are sending to their students and
their fans. As the famous quote in Animal House states, "Fat drunk and stupid"
is no way to go through life.
We could replace the entertaining beer commercials with coolaid, green jello and
mountain dew commercials.
For years I just never got the dont advertise this or that crowd. But finally I
understand. Those of you who are so feeble minded that you can be taken in by
MLM schemes and republican talking points can also be taken in by advertising.
Note that the president and athletic director of the other schools signed on to
this proposal, but the U of U had its president and head football coach sign the
letter. Is Chris Hill part of the problem, or is he late-comer to this proposed
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's all I'm going to say.
Let's go a step further and just ban it everywhere!It serves no good
purpose and only causes grief and pain.I just don't get it.I still crack up when I see 50 year old men thinking they are "cool" because
they are drinking. You know the guys that brag about drinking or walk around
holding up their drink for everyone to see. What are they hiding from?Get a life.
Why do these people hate freedom of speech? A company as a right to promote a
legal product. Conservatives want the government in every facet of our lives.
This is not a question of religious morals. It is a question of
business ethics. It is wise to advertise products at a venue that show cases
members of society that can use and "sport" those products. Beer ads are a great
source of money for Major League Games, where many of the players can legally
enjoy the product. College games should be endorsing youth oriented product, the
obvious athletic products, energy drinks, sports drink, and on and on, but not
alcoholic product. College foot ball is exactly that...COLLEGE
Football. Despite it's popularity it is still associated with an educational
institution and it should uphold it's values even in the advertising realm. Now
this doesn't mean i don't think that they should/or shouldn't serve at the
stadium, have I.D. will serve. Just because you limit advertisements doesn't
mean you have to limit product.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"Have you ever accompanied an EMT
responding to an accident caused by a drunk driver and actually seen up close
and personal the innocent people who were killed or maimed for life?Have you ever seen a wife or child who was beaten up but a drunk husband or
father?To simply ignore the horrific toll that alcohol abuse
inflicts on society, because its adverstisers are "the hand that feeds you," is
naive and stupid.Wake up!Some day it may touch your life
and it may be your kids being pulled out of the wreckage with the jaws of life.
Those entering beer ads may not seem so innocent when you see the open can of
Bud lying on the floor of vehicle that just took away the most precious things
in your life.
Conversatives don't hate freedom of speech and they don't want government in
every facet of our lives. Far from it.But, thinking people
everywhere -- conservatives, liberals, religious, secular -- should be concerned
with a serious problem that destroys more American lives than guns and wars
Freedom of Speech? Commercial advertising does NOT fall under the same rights we
get as individuals. Why do you think there are no tobacco ads on TV? Should we
allow liquor advertisers the freedom to advertise as high schools? You haven't
thought through it, and are ignorant of Supreme Court decisions that for years
have governed this kind of advertising.
Advertising things that most STUDENTS aren't eligible to consume is supporting
"Law Breaking". It's like setting a bowl of chocolate candy on the floor and
telling your dog not to eat it? You have to use your head. I agree, there are
plenty of other sponsors who can advertise, Coke, Energy Drinks, Cars, Shoes,
and Athletic Apparel. Why should the NCAA allow the encouragement of drinking to
the very students who watch and aren't even old enough to consume the products?
I am a victim of a inebriated driver, which has left me with a lifetime
disability. I don't "Hate" alcohol, I just detest the abuse of it. This is the
USA, and those of age are welcome to use it responsibly, why encourage through
humor and claiming to "Drink Responsibly" by the very Beer Companies themselves,
a commercial to endorse their products to underage drinkers? Dump the Beer ads
from the Games!
Not going to happen. Myles Brand is the co-inventor & staunch supporter of the
BCS bowl selection & anti- playoff activist. He has NO morality or conscience
when it come to NCAA sports. Just worship the $$$$$ Baby!
The main problem here is the association with alcohol and university students.
Frat houses, for instance, have their reputations for a reason. Like the
article said, a lot of kids are getting into trouble, getting hurt, or even
dying because they have developed the mentality that college is for drinking.
Removing alcohol ads is just a small effort to try to reverse this trend at
least a little.
Why would the mtn. decline ads for viagra? Seems like they could make more money
and make that horrible station a little better. I can't wait for the football
season, but watching football on the mtn. is horrible. Half the time I can't see
the ball because the screen is too blurry. I say take ads of alcohol and viagra
so your station can upgrade. BTW Craig Thompson needs to go.
I applaud the universities for these efforts. It will help them avoid the double
standard of benefiting from, even promoting, products that are the cause of so
many problems on campus.
Wow, like you think these things can't happen.Utah one of the only
places in the United States that allows you to smoke in a bar.NFL
stadiums are cleaning up their image to by banning: Behavior that is unruly,
disruptive, or illegal. Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result
in irresponsible behavior. Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.
Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the
field.Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel. Verbal or physical
harassment of fans from the opposing team.It's time to clean up the
image of football, and I applaud their decision.
Most college football is watched by people well out of college. To pretend that
only college students watch college football is not only disingenuous but
stupid. To think that not advertising beer during college games will effect the
drinking done by students is just moronic. Frat boys will still drink.It
is telling that some on this message board want to ban alcohol all together. Or
they want to blame drink driving on advertising. Guess what, car accidents are
bad weather or not they are caused by drunk drivers. Cell phone users are likely
to cause accidents, shall we ban cell phone companies from advertising during
NCAA games? We cant even get our legislators to ban texting while driving.
Liberal/non-religious Bay Area cities started banning smoking in public places
LONG before conservative/religious Utah got into the act.It's time
for the anti-conservative/anti-religious crowd in Utah to broaden their view a
little and realize that public smoking and alcohol abuse are public health and
public safety issues.Promoting beer sales to college students and
teens, a huge chunk of the college football audience, is irresponsible. It's
nice to see colleges starting to recognize their ethical responsibility.
"Roscoe"- Man cannot live by beer alone. Relax...we'll still have
the Pontiac game changing performance.
"To think that not advertising beer during college games will effect the
drinking done by students is just moronic."One of the stupidest
arguments people make, that adverstising doesn't affect sales.Do you
really think that the Bud beancounters would spend millions of dollars every
year advertising their products if advertising didn't affect sales?Of course the Bud ads affect sales, and anyone with half-a-brain who watches
the ads can see that many of the ads are focused directly on college-age
consumers.You're free to drink if you want. Nobody is stopping
you.But to argue that adverstising WON'T entice some college age and
younger football fans to start drinking is disingenuous and stupid.btw, your cell phone complaint is valid, but nothing but a red herring in the
context of this discussion.
You are the one who is rationalizing. Advertising may get you to choose to
drink another brand, but it doesnt "entice some college age and younger football
fans to start drinking". I will concede that I may be giving people more
intellectual credit than they deserve but in my experience the best advertising
cannot get me to buy something I dont already want. Perhaps my susceptibility
(sp) to advertising is much lower than most.My cell phone comment is a red
herring, but it was in response to another red herring already posted (you can
tell which one).
Free Speech give The mtn network the right to put anything they want on their
channels, as long as it does not go further than FCC regulations.It's their speech, if you want to wrap yourself in the First Ammendment, do so
in a way that shows understanding about what the First ammendment is.
Maybe we need to ban McDonalds and Burger King commercials since they are
leading to the obesity problems in American to while we are at it. It's
rediculous to assume that the beer companies are targeting college students.
Most of the students are at the game so they are not even seeing the
commercials. I am all for not selling it in the stadium but to ban it from TV
is just ludicrous.
"Advertising may get you to choose to drink another brand, but it doesnt "entice
some college age and younger football fans to start drinking"."This
is the same argument that the tobacco companies used to defend their ads aimed
directly at kids. Does any thinking person really believe that Joe Camel was
created to get 50-year-olds to switch from Marlboro?Where do you
think new drinkers come from? How many beer drinkers started drinking in high
school and even junior high school? How many of them started drinking because of
entertaining beer ads that showed it was cool to drink beer? If you think that
the ads are only meant to get established beer drinkers to switch brands, you
are extremely naive.
five percent is not a big deal, and can easily be replaced. It is
not the government saying what advertisements can and cannot be run, it's the
universities, their presidents, coaches, and athletic directors despite the
accusations of someone who hates conservatives. Though I must admit that I have
no problem with the FCC banning cigarette commercials for the past 30 - 40
years. I still remember cigarette jingles from the TV ads in the 60s.as has been said already, commercial speech on public airways is a bit
different than individuals' speech.I totally agree with the comment
about Myles Brand; that guy would advertise sausages made from old ladies if he
thought he could make a buck, just so long as the old ladies weren't American
Indians. Please forgive the absuridity of the analogy, no offense is intended
towards any group of people, but to point out Mr. Brand's hypocrisy.
I have noticed that beer and other alcohol ads do not advertise to the college
aged kids, with all of the hotties, and club scenes.Nope, good call
on that one.Also, this is not a "ban" on advertising, this is the
NCAA choosing not to advertise something, just like when NASCAR stopped
advertising smokeless tobacco on their cars.Like NASCAR, the NFL has
a right to choose who advertises.The Burger King / McDonalds analogy
is a bit of a stretch. How many college age kids die from "Big Mac" or
"Whopper" poisoning?Typical knee jerk reaction from yooterville.
Sorry, mistype error...Not NFL, NNCAA has the right to advertise who
they want.The NFL is the organization cleaning up stadium behaveior.
Drinking is a social problem, therefore society needs to do something about it.
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!
"Most of the students are at the game"Have you ever been to a Utah
game at RES?Utah either has a much smaller studentbody than most
people assume, or a lot of students are coming disguised as red stadium chairs.
It is a public health issue as is tobacco advertising, not free speach. Binge
drinking, DWI and many other alcohol related problems need someone responsible
to stand up. Nice work coaches and those in the trenches.
My brother told me about the time he went to a Utah vs BYU game two years ago in
Salt Lake City. He sat in the student section but said the Utah students where
drinking and getting drunk during the game. I was just wondering if the Utah
stadium serves alcohol or if the fans brought it in them selfs.
Money and football go together. There is ZERO chance of pulling the plug on beer
dollars from football television broadcasts. Rest assured ...
Let's not allow advertising of anything that shows kids playing in the streets
either.You know - backyard barbeques with XYZ BBQ sauce, and little
Johnny runs out in the street in the background without checking both ways.
I have not seen the tragedy of drunken driving that is as an emergency responder
might. I am sure it's pretty bad. No less so for an accident caused by a
person talking on his cell phone, or distractedly eating a burger or otherwise.
I suppose we should ban alcohol and at the same time cell phones and burgers.
Impaired driving, bad behavior, spousal abuse, broken marriages are all made
worse by abuse of alcohol, but banning alcohol change the behavior, just limit
the access to the majority who display judgment in the first place.Otherwise, I am not adverse to any organization attempting to protect their
brand by associating it with university with sponsorship they consider
inappropriate. However taking the argument to a logical or illogical extreme is
a problem in itself. Outlawing any one item, simply because if abused it causes
tragedy does not make for good policy or law and has never been proven to be
practical. Individual rights and freedom of choice unfortunately leads to
tragic consequences far and beyond the individual who made the bad choice. No
law or ban will prevent that.
Does Marduis Wilson work for a beer company? Do you own Bud stock? Will you miss
the "entertaining" ads? Otherwise, what is your "strong opposition"
to banning beer ads in college football broadcasts?
Lot's of strawmen, but, when you have no real arguments to support not banning
beer ads in college football broadcasts, that's what you have to resort to.The college presidents are on the right track. Ban the beer ads. We
don't need them.
Yes, we see lots of people being arrested for driving while burger impaired and
beating their kids with a burger. Ban the burger ads too.
As in the changing of liquor laws, the alcohol sellers and distributors are the
ones who are crying Freedom of Expression. If you can't figure it out, IT'S THE
What's the big deal with not running Beer Ads?Is it something anyone
needs.Can't you watch a game without the ads?Is this
really an issue???
Ute fans purposely drink at the BYU games because they know BYU fans despise
alcohol. When they're not playing BYU, the atmosphere is just as behaved as
anywhere else. Eradicating Beer commercials for college football is ludicrous.
They're the most entertaining commercials on t.v anyway. It's the spirit of
sports. Don't let the bad apples ruin it for the responsible beer drinkers who
like to kick back and watch college football with there buddies. It's the
So buy a twelve pack, TIVO on download to your IPOD Beer Commercials, and get
your fix, and all are happy."Ute fans purposely drink at the BYU
games because they know BYU fans despise alcohol."If that is the
reason, it is probably the dumbest reason in the world, to make someone angry.
Sounds like the first step to alcoholism to me.It does explain alot,
though.I've always seen two cultures in Utah. The Molly type
Mormons, and those that drink, smoke, tatt up, wear wife beaters on the street
and anything else to anger the LDS.I move here from CA, and we are
creating a sub-culture of people who know how to have a "couple" and leave it at
that. Then it's live and let live, and not really give a rip about what others
do.The smoke does "bug" in bars and at parties, so I respect those
that smoke out side, and I appreciate when people maintain control and not spill
their drinks on me...
It's sad we live in a place where there is no seperation of church and
state...Mormons need to keep their faith confined to their church!
You cannot possibly be that ignorant! This is not a religious issue. Alcohol
is one of the biggest problems that exist in our society that destroys lives.
Get over your bigotry and recognize that alcohol is a problem all over the US
and not just because Mormons chose not to drink. Your comment reflects poorly
on yourself and others that think like you do.
Hey T - What part of "So far, 60 Division I college presidents, 240
athletic directors and 101 football and basketball coaches have signed letters
calling for the NCAA to add beer to a list of products that cannot be advertised
during college games. That list includes cigarettes, guns, nightclubs and
gambling" don't you understand? How do you read Mormon in this? Even NASCAR
has banned tobacco ads. You surely don't understand separation of church and
state. Sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley.
"no seperation of church and state"???Aside of the letter written by
Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists supporting a "wall of seperation", I'll give
in to you on every arguement you ever post if you can find the Constitutional
"Seperation of church and state". The Supreme Court has intrepreted Seperation,
but it's not in the Constitution.That being said, I'm all for not
having a church run the country, but if you move into a community that has
certain morals and values, you can expect to see people with those values making
choices that support those values.If I move into an Amish community,
I just going to have to deal with beards and buggies.Now, all that
being said, I agree with "In CA", Shirley, this has nothing to do with the LDS
The biggest public health issue here is not beer. It's grown men spending hours
and hours polishing the leather couch with their behinds, watching football,
when they should be getting some exercise. Lots of you have beer
bellies, even if you don't drink beer. Heart disease, diabetes and other weight
related diseases are probably more of a hazard than a couple beers(as long as
you don't drink and drive).
To anonymous, imagine how stupid the average person is and remember that 50% of
the people in the world are dumber than that guy. Too bad you can't recognize
that conservatives aren't the ones trying to control our lives through the
government. Remember its the liberal who are trying to socialize everything, and
if you want proof you don't have to look any farther than Obama's plan to take
profits from oil companies to fund $1,000.00 rebate checks to over 112,000,000
Americans.Also ask yourself what kind of college students
drink beer. Anywhere from incredibly intelligent to incredibly stupid. Maybe
their commercials are more influential than you think. I would never pretend to
be an expert though because I have DVR. Just remember, it's not democrats or
republicans trying to regulate through congress what kind of commercials are on
your tv. It's University Presidents, coaches, and Athletic Directors trying to
clean up what kind of commercials are on tv during their athletic events. Which
makes it entirely different than any kind of government regulation. Oh and don't forget it's Nancy Pelosi who is trying to regulate what can or
can't be said on talk radio. Very liberal Democrat.
It's my glands, but thank you Rolly Polly.
How about a tinny dose of reality. Alcohol is a drug, drunken drivers kill
people, Drunks 50 or 15 are not cool. But to say that people decide to drink
because they see a Bud commercial is a stretch. The ads primarily are aimed at
people who already drink beer. The idea is to interest a person in trying their
brand or to keep their customers buying that brand. I don't know anyone who saw
a car commercial them suddenly decided to get a drivers license. The car ads are
to stimulate the driver who already has a car to get a new model or to switch
from the model they already drive. Having a discussion on beer ads in Utah is
much like a group of Arizonians discussing which type of arctic parka to buy.
In an interview several years ago with the great UNC Tarheel coach Dean Smith,he
was asked what he thinks was wrong with college sports. His response was games
on sunday and alcohol advertisements in arenas and on tv. He said if he had his
ways all alcohol ads would be banned from college sports.
Which state, which church?It's all over the country, bro.Just because Dr. Hill doesn't see the need, I stand by what the NCAA is trying
to accomplish.It's the first step to putting in the regulations the
NFL put in for their stadiums.What we need now... an NFL team.
"But to say that people decide to drink because they see a Bud commercial is a
stretch."We are raising our daughters not to drink. Not for any
religous reasons, but because I used to "party", my very best friend I used to
party with was killed about 16 years ago because he was driving on the wrong
side of the road and hit a truck head on, My youngest brother just got out of
State Rehab (read prison) because he could alway drink, drive and maintain until
he got a DUI, his lawyer got it squashed easy, but he picked up two more quickly
and lost his family, home, etc.My problem is Alcohol does not enter
my home, except on TV. I do not want them to think they are missing anything,
but when we are watching TV, the ads do come on.Once again, drinking
is something I do not want them to do, we discuss it, and they are fine not
drinking, and I am sure they will need to decide someday, but if I could
"choose", I would rather the commercials not come in my home.I'm not
in a bubble.I do appreciate theNCAA.
I don't need someone smarter than me responding "raise your kids right, unplug
your TV, move", and the rest of the stupid replies that always work themselves
into these boards.If the ads showed the reality of alcohol abuse,
the deaths, the health issues when you get older, the promiscous sex that leads
to unplanned parenthood and STD's, etc, I think a balanced approach would be
fine, but they don't.They show Big Horses, partying with the
beautiful people, funny times by funny people.Some people just have
addictive personalities, a genetic predisposition to alcohoism, a physical
inability to drink unresponsibly and that can't be fixed by saying "Just say
no".If you already drink responsibly, I sure you have your favorite
adult beverages (I'm in my forties, and mine were Molson, Grey goose, and Don
Julio) and I don't see an advertisement changing what you choose to drink. The
ads DO glamorize consumption.If I'm watching a game with my family,
and someone decides not to put the ads on, I'm fine with that.Why do
so many cling to those precious ads so feircely, knowing the costs placed upon
society, spouses, children and innocent in our society?
Ernest T Bass's glands.That's a mental image I didn't need.
Remember, not all college students are 21 and over. Again, why should we allow a
product to be promoted that is illegal for a large portion of the participants,
i.e. those playing and watching?
Drinking is for losers...and drunk drivers! It's not that hard to see that the
companies that advertise beer and liquor on TV are just taking your money from
you. It can take your life away from you drink by drink and where are the
companies when you need a hand up from that hole you create for yourself and
I vote we ignore or tevo the adds but ban alcohol from sporting events. The
amount of alcohol related deaths on campus pale in comparison to the alcohol
related deaths world wide at sporting events. I would love to take my kids to
professional or college event and not have to explain what the words mean the
drunk idiot is yelling next to us!