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  • Let Miles go!!
    July 22, 2008 2:56 a.m.

    Is this even a question? He is NOT worth the $4 or so million that we would have to match to keep him here a year. We have other players that are more important and who will need that money. Let him go, he doesn't even like it here, he'll let you know on myspace or facebook. Not Utah Jazz material

  • Let my C.J. go
    July 22, 2008 6:58 a.m.

    Let C.J. go. Jazz need more money for cap space so we can sign Milly (makes less than a million a year) and Brewer. Let Morris Almond step up into the spot. He is more athletic than C.J. and at least he shows up to the revue. The Sonics need all the help they can get and maybe C.J. can get more of a consistent role on that young team.

  • Too bad....
    July 22, 2008 7:11 a.m.

    with the Jazz loaded on the SG position its hard to get CJ Miles the minutes and to understand really how talented CJ Miles is. CJ Miles is a superstar in the making, he's got the skills and talent...it's too bad the Jazz won't be able to keep CJ on the team. OKC wouldn't have offer CJ if he wasn't any good! c'mon do the math, they offered you the money and playing time....well CJ is gone for sure. Once he's playing for the other team and averaging in double figures, Jazz will surely miss and regret letting him go!!!

    LOLZ.....If there's any consolation at least he's not going to the Lakers!!

  • People
    July 22, 2008 7:23 a.m.

    Don't you see what you watch? C. J. will be an allstar within 4 years. If we let him go it will go down the biggest blunder in Jazz history.Not only is he our best 2 but he can play the 3.( better than old man Harpring and we pay him at least that much.)If the know what they are doing they will keep C.J. Mo Almond is basically another one dimensional Korver so don't get your hopes too high on him folks.

  • Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    Let C.J. go. There are more important players who will need the money down the line. I wish C.J. well but he is not worth the money. That's whats wrong with the NBA. Overpaid but as long as the fans keep going it will just keep going up. I think it's time for the fans to boycott games.

  • I agree
    July 22, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    Miles needs to hit the road. He hasn't shown anything yet. I keep hearing people say he has so much potential and it would be foolish to let him go, but the truth is he just hasn't done much of anything and he won't get many minutes to continue his development. Let him go to a team where he might be able to play. Utah can use that money on more pressing needs.

  • Buck
    July 22, 2008 7:57 a.m.

    If the Jazz can't dump some salary, laying out more for C.J. is gonna put a cramp in things. But we'll live to rue the day if they don't match.

  • BigPoet
    July 22, 2008 8:00 a.m.

    C.J. Miles is a huge, expensive problem. He should be dropped like a hot rock. He cannot motivate himself and he cannot be consistent.

  • take a second look
    July 22, 2008 8:10 a.m.

    I'm a huge Morris Almond fan and also a basketball coach of many years. Watching almond warm up and his shooting performance against only average players in the review. I'm not sure if he is really as great a shooter as some beleive. He doesn't really rebound it, get steals or assists. Super duper person. Good but not great player.

  • Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 8:08 a.m.

    I just don't want to hear anyone say that Sloan didn't give him a chance. He had a chance everyday in practice. When he played well in practice two years ago, he was rewarded as the starting 2 guard at the beginning of the season. Last year Brewer played better, and he won the starting job. You just don't get handed minutes, you need to earn them.

  • CJ...
    July 22, 2008 8:08 a.m.

    unlike Kyle Korver and Mo Almond, has the talent to be a complete player in this league.

    Harpring was very good, but health issues have him standing very near the end of his career.

    Sign CJ, trade Boozer and make the other necessary adjustments.

  • Henry Drummond
    July 22, 2008 8:16 a.m.

    It was surprising to see ticket scalpers outside the revue games. My guess is that they got burned pretty good since the stands were only about 70% full for the Jazz game.

  • Mike
    July 22, 2008 8:18 a.m.

    CJ is a lot more athletic than Almond and has more talent and potential, but I don't know about an allstar in 4 years. The west is stacked with guards right now, and it still will be in 4 years. D-Will, Paul, Roy, Durrant, Bayless(if he continues his summer league play in the NBA), Mayo, Rudy Gay, Parker, Monta Ellis, and those are just the young guards. Then there's Kobe, T-Mac, and Nash, and all three of them will be allstars as long as they are in the league, so do you really think that CJ will be an allstar with that group of gaurds in the West? If D-Will can't even make it on the team this year, there's no way CJ will beat out those guys for an spot on the allstar team.

  • Dallas Guy
    July 22, 2008 8:23 a.m.

    I figure a Dallas guy like Miles would rather go closer to home in OKC. It seems like letting him go would be a win-win because Almond is more of a Sloan guy and a better pure shooter--or as Sloan would say "a maker."

  • Chris
    July 22, 2008 8:42 a.m.

    The team only has so much money and its really hard to justify locking in CJ for four years when I can't see where he will get playing time. OKC has cap space and minute to give and the Jazz have neither. Its a no brainer to let Almond step in CJ's spot duty role and save money for the many Jazz free agents next year.

  • best solution
    July 22, 2008 8:49 a.m.

    Heres what the Jazz need to do;

    They need to retain the rights of CJ. And since New Jersey has been dangling Sean Williams and Marcus Williams for veteran players, trade Matt Harpring and Jason Hart. I hate to see Harpring go because he is so tough, but he makes $6.5 mil a year and has that banged up knee. Give Korver his minutes, I know he is not as tough and may not be as good of a defender, but he can stay infront of his opponent pretty well, and he's a better shooter. Over all, this move would be more of a positive simply because he can shoot from anywhere on the court.

    Give CJ the minutes Korver used to have to see what he can do. If he is as good as most of us bloggers think he is, well then he's worth the money. Besides with Korvers opt out clause next year, its wise to keep CJ for insurance. If CJ doesnt prosper as well as we all think he can, he will still only be 22 years old, and plenty of other teams would love to have his abilities on their team, trade him.

  • No Way
    July 22, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    If the Jazz are able to get rid of AK and his contract (wishes-n-dreams) the Jazz will wish they had CJ to slide into that 3 hole

  • Try this
    July 22, 2008 8:53 a.m.

    Why don't we keep CJ and then work like crazy to get rid of Korver? Korver can opt out next year and even if he decides to stay he would make a great piece in a trade because he would only have one year left on his deal. CJ is well worth the risk at that price and if he gets more consistent minutes then he would be worth the new contract. Also $4 million per year is not like a huge contract for someone who is either a starter or a 15-20 minute per night guy.

  • Paul
    July 22, 2008 8:57 a.m.

    I dont know what Almond has to do for people to sour on him. He's no better than any of these guys in the revue trying to make a team but who will obviously end up in Europe. He is a good kid though. CJ is better and has more potential in every way than Almond, plus Harpring is pretty much done. We need CJ to step into his spot. This is hopefully a no brainer for the front office. I guess we'll see if they are seeing what I'm seeing.

  • best solution part 2
    July 22, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    Back to the New Jersey trade.

    We get 2 potentially decent players in Marcus Williams, if he pans out he can be a great back up point guard (as much as I like Ronnie Price, we need someone who has point guard skills), and Sean Williams who is a defensive specialist in a power forwards body. I know we all ready have enough power forwards, but he is 6'10 and with a little more body weight and the right system, he can be another Ben Wallace. I know what you are all thinking, Ben Wallace is terrible. Remember how great of a player he was with Detriot, its because he was in the right system for his style of play. He was nothing before that and nothing after that. If Sean Williams doesnt work, its worth still worth the opportunity.

    Here's why NJ likes this trade.

    The get one of the toughest veterans in the NBA in Matt Harpring, whom is a good defender. Something that team is lacking. Jason Hart is just a throw in. Plus, they are giving up practically nothing.

    I have tried to come up with a better solution, if you have one, let me know

  • The Truth
    July 22, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    With so many players able to leave in the next year or two, why wouldn't you lock CJ Miles up? The jazz let Snyder go because of CJ. Now to let CJ go because of Almond? Brewer? you don't give up your assests. If this is what the Jazz are about they might as well as do what Phoenix has been doing....trading away their picks!! At least that way they aren't paying them to sit the bench and then leave. I'm not sold on Almond yet...CJ's got a great stroke, size and length and he's an athlete. It's a managable contract in terms of pay and length. Move Harpring or Collins if it puts you in the luxury tax range. CJ scores 26 in an NBA game and the next game when JERRY didn't give him any love, He brings up the lack of Revue time??? Politics.....develop CJ....if you don't like his attitude/rap....trade him for a big. Let's not take to long on this one Kevin C. lock him up!!

  • Dapper2k
    July 22, 2008 9:01 a.m.

    Congratulations CJ, you've just graduated from the Univeristy of Utah Jazz and have been offered a rookie contract of 4 years and 15 million. Just one more reason the minimum age in the NBA should be 21. The NBA shouldn't be the developmental league.

    I don't think CJ is worth the 3 to 4 million right now but by the end of the contract I think he will be worth it. He has all the skills and just needs to grow is Basketball IQ and defense.

    Too bad I think he'll be a starter in 3 years here or in OKC but not worth the money for the Jazz to match the offer with the cap restrictions they face in the future. I don't see any way the Jazz can match.

  • Hollywood
    July 22, 2008 9:15 a.m.

    Almond's a "maker," alright. But he makes at a terrible percentage and that's all he does. Even Sloan has criticized Almond's tunnel vision and lack of assists. Morris can put up big numbers against fringe players by shooting a ton of shots. The NBDL is not the NBA. Nor is the RMR (and Almond ain't exactly setting the revue on fire).

    CJ, in what little opportunity he got last year, proved he could be a decent backup - on the NBA level. Yes, he bombed as the starting SG. But that was 2 years ago.

    I'm generally a Sloan supporter, but he's blown this one by holding a grudge against CJ. Sitting out the revue the past 2 seasons was a business decision by CJ and his agent. The risk of injury is real - just ask Russell Carter.

    By the same logic, if Boozer opts out after next season to get a bigger, longer contract (a business decision), do you say, sorry Carlos, that proves you're not a team player and we don't want you anymore?

    Grow up, Jerry. Put the best players on the court. CJ should be in the rotation instead of your pet favorite, Matt.


  • JazzFanInHouston
    July 22, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    For 4 mil you can get some pretty good free agents right now. The mid market is pretty soft. If the Jazz keep CJ they will probably trade him or Korver. I am not sure they can trade CJ for 4 mil. Korver is worth more because he is experienced and he has an expiring contract.

    The Jazz will keep CJ if they think he is superior to Korver or if they think they can trade his new 4 mil contract for someone they need more at another position.

    I suspect that CJ is gone or they would have traded Gordon G for a player at another position (not Korver). The Jazz have already indicated with the Korver trade that they do not feel that CJ is the answer at 2/3.

  • Have to match.....
    July 22, 2008 9:38 a.m.

    Oklahoma's offer for CJ. Look at it this way, CJ is one of the top 5 atheletes on this team. If we replace him with the pick that we made this year, the Jazz loose a ton. He's a role player, at best, and if you've watched Almond play, you know he's not ready to even sit the bench for the Jazz this year. One more point, Harpring is one jump shot away from being out for the season, we need CJ to be the back-up's back-up. Insurance, is it worth $3.75 million/year?

  • GoJazz
    July 22, 2008 9:39 a.m.

    CJ has had his opportunities and can't seem to take advantage of them. I know that the Bulls won't give Luol Deng straight up for him but do a sign and trade for Deng. Deng would be a great fit at the 3. That would give us the team that might actually, finally get over the hump and win a championship. I think we should make something work to Deng to Utah.

  • Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 9:43 a.m.

    It seems many posters here has sure knowledge about what will happen with Boozer, Korver, Okur or even Kirilenko. Nobody knows what's going to happen with them next year. Three of them have opt-outs or player options kicking next year, and anyone just knows Kirilenko is gone a soon as front office find a way and that Harp's knees are virtual ones.
    Give up on Miles is a mistake. You don't lose such kind of player, upside and investment because of what might happen with 3 or 4 guys that you really dont know even if they will be here 10 months from now.
    TO KEEP MILES IS THE ONLY GOOD CALL!

  • Surgeman
    July 22, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    You do not GIVE AWAY a player with CJ's potential to another team in your own division! NEXT YEAR is when cap space is the BIG issue. If we match the offer we will have another year to develop him and hope he MATURES in that time. KEEP HIM, or do a sign and trade to an East coast team. Also, keep in mind the Josh Childress situation.

  • akk
    July 22, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    Go Kevin... You have alot of talent on this roster... lets see you make the some moves to maximise your assets. It would be too bad to get nothing for Miles but not the end of the world. 2 for 1 trade that upgrades the gaurd or center position would be great.

  • Re Best Solution
    July 22, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    Keep dreaming, there is nothing in this trade that makes any sense for both teams. For NJ, why would they want an injury-prone veteran on his way out AND a flop like hart? Giving away young guys for something like that is just ridiculous. Second, why would the jazz want a back-up point guard and a 3rd power forward? We need a center, not a point guard or power forward. Have we not learned from our glutton of SGs? Sorry, this trade idea is not very good at all for either team and it will never happen. People quit including Hart in trades, we dont want him why would anyone else?

  • RE:the truth
    July 22, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth. The real truth is CJ has only had a few games where he has shown promise. The game where he scored 29 points in place of injured AK and Brewer that you reference isn't justification for signing him for 15 million over 4 years. First of all, look who they were playing. Washington. This wasn't San Antonio or the Lakers that he dropped 29 points on. Secondly, you don't just bench AK who actually has a contract for millions and Brewer who won the starting job over Miles. Did he deserve more mintues? Probably, but to say he needs to be signed because he had a couple good games against average teams doesn't make sense. He has potential, but the guy has been given chances to prove himself and he hasn't done it. The Jazz should not match the offer.

  • Dick of the NW
    July 22, 2008 10:30 a.m.

    So many here are focused on scoring and not the other aspects of the game like rebounding, passing, steals, defense, toughness and judgement. Kover and Harping, because of experience, have a much higher BB IQ. What do you think Miles is doing now? Working out every day to stay in shape and honing is skills...NOT. CJ has good physical skills but lacks the work ethic. He came out of high school but the money has blinded him. It came too easy and he hasn't put forth the effort to get to the next level. On the other hand, he may be a good asset to keep unless he doesn't fit with the other moves the Jazz may be contemplating. If CJ is so hot why haven't other teams signed him to offer sheets? OK made him an offer just to get their salaries up to the minimum and he'd be a nice fit.

  • Reading these posts
    July 22, 2008 10:47 a.m.

    makes me wonder if these are just 12 year olds typing away or someone who acutally knows what they are talking about. "Don't give away a player with CJ's potential to a team within your own division". What an absurd remark. Watch out, OKC is going to be a major juggernaut in the West next season. They are terrible, and adding CJ isn't going to turn them into a winning franchise.

  • cj or mj
    July 22, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    the only difference between cj and mj is the first letter of their initials, about three mvps, six championships, 30 points a game, and 30 million a year.
    Cj's not mj, but he does have the same second letter for his initials, that's gotta be worth four million a year, not to mention he's a young, athletic, versatile, hardworking, humble, respectful, teamworker, talented, lots of potential to be a differnece maker player.
    you gotta retain cj, after the year is over, there will be some major personnel decisions to be made, knowing cj is locked up is an option you'll want. The case could be you're going out looking for a free agent to do his job, the chances of getting someone as good as he is for the price is not very likely.
    His potenital is real, not just talked about potential like a draft pick, he's proven he can do it at the nba level. Lock him up, and try to trick sloan into thinking it is his good idea to give him minutes.

  • korvers locked in
    July 22, 2008 11:37 a.m.

    who ever posted that korver can opt out after the season needs to get their facts straight, and take a class in responsible posting.
    korver is locked in for the next three years, with no options. his last year, 2011, he'll be making about 5 and a half big ones. that's one of the best contracts in the nba.
    brewer is a freeagent after this year, and if the jazz resign brewer they'd be paying him cj type money, but a good question to ask, will another team offer brewer, the cj type money-or if the jazz keep brewer will they be overpaying him, like they did with harpring. the jazz are probably the only team who would pay brewer 4mill.
    i'd hate to see cj go because we're overpaying an aging harpring, who looks to be locked up for the next two years, and harpring isn't as easy to trade as miles.
    i don't know enough about almond to know whether he's better than harpring or cj, but i doubt it. he'll probably spend most of his time in the dleague this year, then go through the same process cj has just gone through, if he's good enough.

  • Keep Cj
    July 22, 2008 11:53 a.m.

    D-Will has even said he wants Cj to stay in "the baddest way" we want to keep D-Will happy. people who are critizizing his work ethic are just plain stupid do you know him personally to know if he is working out or not???? Also all the people who are saying Cj needs to go so Almond can get playing time......have you ever watched him play he is just a ballhog who shoots everytime he touches the ball, we don't need that on our team. I say we keep Cj especially when Matts Knee's go out.......

  • Re: Reading these posts
    July 22, 2008 12:09 p.m.

    Twelve-year olds? I'm sorry but parts of your argument were no more logical than the arguments of those you seem keen on mocking. You're right, C.J. Miles alone isn't going to make OKC a juggernaut in the West next season. But if you consider the young talent (assuming C.J. joins) OKC is compiling--in a few years--I don't think it would surprise many if OKC becomes a contender in the future.

    That quote you so thoroughly mocked, "Don't give away a player with CJ's potential to a team within your own division," has some potential truth. If Miles does reach his potential he has a shot at becoming a solid SG in this league. If that happens, the Jazz will have four opportunities to play him each season, and possibly more in the playoffs. With the Jazz's futile attempts to guard the SG position it could come back to bite them. For a more mature, superior basketball mind, you sure don't show a lot of foresight.

  • Grant
    July 22, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    I wish CJ the best with his new Team. The Jazz have brought in Korver, Almond and Brewer to fill the need at the shooting guard position, the funny thing is that with all this talent Jerry still really isn't happy with any of them that is why he is filling the position by committe. Why is it so hard to get a 40 minutes a night guy who has a consistent shot and who plays solid defense.

  • JazzFanInHouston
    July 22, 2008 12:52 p.m.

    The Jazz maybe able to pick up Pargo for 4 mil. That maybe better than keeping CJ for 4 mil.

    The key to Jazz success seems to be in changing the 6 thru 10 position players. The Jazz were a lot weaker after losing Fisher (backup for Jazz, starter for LA). They were much stronger after trading GG for Korver.

    CJ could be insurance for injury but the market is good for making a move right now. The Jazz need help at Center and at small forward. However, maybe Fes can develop enough to cover the backup center spot. If Harping has an injury Korver can play more. Or the Jazz can go after a true small forward.

    Adding Pargo may make the whole second team more efficient. PG seems to be the key position for the Jazz offense. Pargo may also be able to log minutes at shooting guard on the second team as D Will works a lot of minutes.

  • Dev
    July 22, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    You all make me laugh how all you think you know what is best for the Jazz. I trust Jazz management they have a good track record and I trust and support whatever decision they make. The know so much more about the NBA than you or I will ever know. If they don't resign CJ I hope they can get a sign and trade out of it for like a future draft pick

  • re:re: reading these posts
    July 22, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had President of the CJ Miles fan club in here. So you really think OKC will be a contender in the future? You didn't specify if that was in the near future or distant future. If you were to say 35 years, then yes they may be contenders by that time, but within 4 or 5 years? I seriously doubt it. As far as the shooting guards Utah has had trouble defending, they usually have been star caliber players like Bryant and Mcgrady. CJ has potential to be good, but I wouldn't go as far to say he'll be that good.

  • JazzFanInHouston
    July 22, 2008 1:20 p.m.

    If the Jazz could get Pargo they could move Price.

    Price probably has more trade value than CJ as he has more experience and decent stats. Price and/or Hart/Collins might be moved for a back up sf.

    Hart (expiring contract) may have some value if he is not hurt.

  • Tyler
    July 22, 2008 1:29 p.m.

    I got one word... How many of you let Mo Williams people would say the same thing now. Sure DWheel come in and saved the day, but would if the jazz would have not been able to get him. Letting Mo Williams go was a huge mistake...

    So maybe we should learn something from that.

    Tyler

  • Re:re:re:reading these posts
    July 22, 2008 1:39 p.m.

    You forgot to include Martell Webster as a star SG, who lit up the Jazz recently. Oh wait, Webster a star...? In no way shape or form would I consider myself president of the CJ Miles fan club. I am not even a Jazz fan, just a curious observer since I live in this state. My opinion is Miles has a chance to be a nice player in this league. I am not one claiming him to a future all-star or MVP candidate, but a relevant starter who can win his team some games is not out of the question.

    And yes, I do believe OKC can be a contender in 4-5 years. Why can't they? They're rebuilding around an all-world talent (Durant), they have potential star role players (Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook), a mountain of future cap space and a bevy of draft picks. Though not in the same stage of development yet, their efforts to rebuild seem similar to that of the Trailblazers, a team that Jazz fans can officially begin to worry about. Most basketball heady fans understand those elements usually provide a future winner. Don't believe me? Ask your own Jazz team.

  • Benton
    July 22, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    I am so completley perplexed by how many idiots there are that actually believe CJ miles is worth throwing away. I ask, why pay a guy for three year developing him just so he can go play well for another team! Are all of you blind!?! Morris Almond is one dimensional...sure he can shoot but we need someone that has the ability/potential to make a play off the dribble. CJ has shown that ability. When given the chance last year CJ really stepped up and played well. Everyone on here says he's not worth the money???!!! Is anyone in the NBA getting paid what they deserve? I firmly believe the Jazz should match this deal and get rid of whats necessary in order to make the money work(if at all possible Hart and Collins would be my first choice). About Hart.... I don't even think he could start on a jr. jazz allstar team. The guy is horribly unskilled and has an obvious lack of ability. Its mind blowing to think he's getting what he is. Sure am glad I'm not KOC! Go Jazz

  • CJ
    July 22, 2008 2:02 p.m.

    One thing that I believe many people are forgetting. CJ can also play the small forward position. Hopefully the Jazz can dump AK's salary onto someone else. If this happens, your small forwards will be Matt Harpring and CJ Miles. (I consider Paul Millsap a Power Forward).

  • Do It Already
    July 22, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    Sign him, sign him, sign him! CJ has been an investment for 3 years. He's got the skills, not only offensively but defensively as well. Anybody else see him on the boards with his long arms? He's seriously got everything to be a great player in the league.
    I love Brewer and Korver (yes he is a specialist and not a great defender, but teams need those types of players as well--Steve Kerr, Sean Elliot). Not so sure about Almond. But keep him and CJ through the summer and training camp. If needed, trade one of them part way through the season and get something decent in return. It's not a hard decision. Come on Jazz!

  • magnus
    July 22, 2008 2:31 p.m.

    c'mon Jazz fans, lets be real here for a second. Lets talk about the reality of this situation for a second here:

    First, I think alot of this depends on what Harprings plans are, because lets face it, he is going to retire in Utah and this young Jazz team needs his leadership and toughness. If he is planning on playing through the end of his contract (two more years) then there really isn't any place on this team for CJ for 2 years and it makes no sense to pay him 3-4 mil to sit around. On the other hand if Harp thinks this year will be his last it may be worth keeping CJ.

    Second, CJ has done nothing to endear himself to coach Sloan or the Jazz organization, I mean he should have played in the Review last year and he could have played this year while his agent was knocking on doors trying to find a contract, but he didn't.

    I think the Jazz should let him go and spend their time trying to find some muscle to beef up their frontcourt.

  • To CJ supporters
    July 22, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Potential does not equate to performance. What CJ has lacked in the past and still lacks is the ability to perform under controlled circumstances (i.e. the off season and in training camp)let alone during game-time. He is not a "clutch player" like some other stars in the NBA where they can be lax in practice and then shine at game-time. So, the Jazz gave him 3 years to perform to his potential and he has been a disappointment. All of you CJ fans think that 4 mil a year will motivate him to live up to his potential? Why? With that kind of money he can continue to do the same thing he has always done: Not work with the Jazz trainers in the off season; not come to the RMR to showcase his ability; not perform during game time.

  • biff
    July 22, 2008 2:51 p.m.

    Mo Almond the mvp of the d-league does more than
    just shoot.....anybody see the elevation he got last
    night and dunked over the top of 2 iranians.
    awsome.....those who say he isn't athletic are
    nuts....as far as an nba body he puts Miles to
    shame, with DWill at point Almond is just what
    the jazz need now. If Miles can't motivate himself
    now what makes you all think he will after he has
    gotten the money. No, Almond he's a harder worker
    and a better talent as well. We will never know
    how good Miles would do as the review, since he
    would never show. Attitude is everything!

  • JazzFanInHouston
    July 22, 2008 2:56 p.m.

    I just looked at the list of unrestricted free agents at all positions. 4 mil a year will get you many options with a lot better stats than CJs.

    He may have been a 3 year investment but so are a lot of other players for other teams. It really comes down to fit and money. Utah is loaded at CJs position and needs help in other positions. It is far better for Utah to spend 4 mil on renting a player they really need for a year.

    This year may be the best shot Utah has at a title and they need to take it. CJ is replaceable in both the short and long run.

  • cj or brewer
    July 22, 2008 3:10 p.m.

    I think it comes down to who you'd rather have, cj or brewer? That's why I think you sign cj and let the two compete, if cj wins, brewer is a free agent and won't have a hard time finding someone to employ him, if brewer just has more to offer, he'll be getting the contract cj is getting now, you hope that you can move cj. cj never really started playing until korver came on board, since then, cj showed some consistency and he had flashes of brilliance you haven't seen from korver, brewer, or harpring. When I saw cj guarding kobe, it really looked like it messed with kbrat. harpring can't guard the two. harpring isn't a commodity that teams want to trade for. if cj is retained i do think there are teams willing to trade for him. i'm not bashing harpring, i'm just saying i think the jazz would benefit by giving cj more minutes, even at the expense of harpring. After korver came on, cj was very productive when given playing time, very productive, it makes me think he's ready to really compete for serious time.
    korver is a keeper, no matter what.

  • Re: CJ supporters
    July 22, 2008 3:17 p.m.

    You're not factoring in the business side of the NBA. CJ has suggested he hasn't played in the RMR because he wants the insurance of a stable contract before he further risks bodily injury performing against unproven commodities in the summer league. You, along with many others, misunderstand that philosophy for a "poor work ethic," or an "unwillingness to do what is necessary to improve himself." It's just a business decison that happened to pay off handsomely for him and his future family.

    As far as your argument about potential vs. performance. I'm sorry but potential is all we can go off of with CJ right now. Reality is, he hasn't received enough consistent playing time for anyone to label him a good, average, or mediocre player as of yet. By NBA standards 3.7 mil a year is a low risk option for OKC to find out if they can realize his potential. It's hard to believe the supporters when they say he'll be great when he leaves, but it's equally hard to believe his detractors when they say he'll amount to nothing. There are just too many unknowns to make any reasonable predictions about his future performance.

  • Snagger
    July 22, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    Peep's CJ is only 21. Some of you say he hasn't shown much in the time that he has been here. Well young players are inconsistant. I feel like he is ready to be consistant. If you look at what he did when Harpring, AK, and Brewer were injured then that is a clear indication that he has become more consistant. So we need to clear up cap space for the future? Lets See Harpring's time is running out. AK's time is too. Almond isn't the player the jazz thought he would be. CJ is further along and he is younger. As far as not coming to the review.. He obviously knew something all of us including J slo didn't know. OKC was going to offer him a deal. Who's to say that something similar didn't almost happen last year? So to harp on him for that is just dumb. He has to watch out for himself, and if his agent is telling him there are teams interested and to sit out then that's what you do. Anyone would do that! I think people are making to big of a deal out of that. Including sloan!

  • almond or cj or brwer
    July 22, 2008 3:30 p.m.

    almond, cj, or brewer, the jazz have to be evaluating the three as the starting two for now and the future, i ahven't seen almond play, so i can't evaluate him-but if the jazz think the guy at the two is almond, cj is gone. i have heard alot of good tings about almond, but i find it hard to believe he is more athletic than cj. cj's quick man, and long.
    between cj and brewer, i'd chose cj over brewer, not for right now, but for what cj will become. i don't think brewer is going to get much better than he was last year, not offensively, maybe he might get better on defense. cj has all kinds of room to grow.

    but if they think the future is almond, it makes sense to let cj go, bring up almond, and let get some minutes at the end of the bench. it makes sense from a personnel stand point, and fiscally as well.
    but if you're letting cj go because of money, i don't think it's a good decision, and will probably be one the jazz regret.

  • cj needs time
    July 22, 2008 3:57 p.m.

    bottom line, cj needs lots of playing time to be good-it's easy for okc to offer that contract because he'll get the playing time there.
    if the jazz think he's the best among himself, almond, and brewer, you have to retain him, and give him playing time to develope.
    i'd take dwill's word on this, we just know a little bit he said that was in the news, if i were the jazz i'd be interested in knowing who dwill would rather be playing with, who dwill thinks is worth the investment of time and money.
    i want to know what dwill eats for breakfast, he's the man, but it's not as important as knowing what he thinks the jazz should do.

  • Final 2 cents
    July 22, 2008 4:03 p.m.

    Regardless if Miles was right or wrong in skipping the RMR the last 2 years, it seems to me that the Jazz coaching staff know what they're doing and if they felt he should have participated then that's probably what he should have done. I think he has only himself to blame for not getting more mintues in Utah the last couple of seasons because he didn't take every opportunity to develop as a player. If he leaves, I wish him well, but if he stays I hope he can contribute.

  • Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 4:18 p.m.

    cj has no hart for our jazz just $$$$$$$

  • CLEM
    July 22, 2008 4:19 p.m.

    C.J.SUPP. AMEN,AMEN,

  • STEVE-O
    July 22, 2008 5:53 p.m.

    CJ has never learned one thing, and that's to give people what they want! He knows who Sloan is, he knows what Sloan wants. However, he fails to show any signs of passion and heart that Sloan has ALWAYS demanded from his players. He's been wildy inconsistent and that is the reason he's gotten inconsistent playing time. Say what you will about Matt Harpring but you can never question his hard work and determination! He's had a successful career when we look at his natural ability.
    Is CJ going to base his success off of Money in the Bank, or how much work he put into the sport of Basketball? That's what he needs to figure out some day.

  • the time is now
    July 22, 2008 5:54 p.m.

    C.J. is a good example of what the league is turning into. they take kids out of the cradle and give them some money and they never have to grow up. they've never been forced to do anything but show some god given talent, so when the going get's tough and they find out that there not the only one with talent, they lay down and cry instead of working hard to be better they cry and say "it's all because the coach don't like me and won't play me"

  • RE: steve-o
    July 22, 2008 6:03 p.m.

    Boozer plays no defense yet gets plenty of playing time.

    Go figure.

    Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.

    Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.

    But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship.

  • Prophet
    July 22, 2008 6:54 p.m.

    Last year in January I posted on this site that the Korver trade would end up being one of the worst trades in recent Jazz history, because we were getting a one dimensional offensive player for Giriceck, a second round pick and CJ Miles.

    Why CJ? Because Korver would stunt Brewers and doom CJ's develpement, and due to Korvers fat contract we would loose CJ. Everything I said has come to pass.

    WAKE UP ODONNEL!! SIGN CJ and figure out a way to get rid of our bad contracts!!

  • Brettski
    July 22, 2008 8:15 p.m.

    Let Miles go pursue his dreams on a mediocre team at best. He's a decent player, but he's dispensable. At best, use him for a sign and trade.

  • D, D
    July 22, 2008 8:22 p.m.

    The caliber of first string NBA players is very high. When the second stringers go in at the end of a game or in garbage or cleanup time the caliber of ball drops immensely. CJ played first string in the NBA, yes it was for a short period of time (thanks Jerry) but he played there and performed at the appropriate level.
    Deron Williams has played every team in the league, has recently spent time across the desk form KOG and Deron says we need CJ. Jerry swallow your pride and let him play. When Deron was 21 as is CJ Jerry had him sitting as well. We bought CJ for his potential and when he is 23 as is Williams what type of player will he be? If walk away I think we will regret it, were he to have played in Phoenix the past 3 years he would be a league class shooter. Does anyone remember Raja Bell who used to shoot too much for Jerry? I would take Raja back as we are desperately looking for defense...Jerry would not. In this league 3.7 mill is not much for a player of his caliber.

  • Snagger
    July 22, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    "Boozer plays no defense yet gets plenty of playing time.

    Go figure.

    Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.

    Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.

    But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship."

    This may have been the comment of the day. This and What the Prophet said about having someone playing in front of our young player and stunting there growth. Fisher was that player last year, and I still don't think CJ got a fair shake from sloan. WE saw it, Dwill saw it, and you would think sloan would get over CJ not playing in the RMR last year by the playoffs. But he still made a comment about it during the playoffs. Jerry you old fart get on your john deer and get over it. If a player is playing well play him. I love that about j slo. As soon as someone gets on a roll he pulls them. Got to stick to that stellar rotation.

  • david
    July 23, 2008 12:08 a.m.

    KOC , I can't take another year of watching Matt Humpring flopping around, and missing easy layups because he can't jump anymore!!! Find some sucker who will take Harpring this year or next with his expiring contract, but KEEP CJ MILES!!! All of you who have said that he is lazy, do some research before you open your pie holes, LEBRON JAMES said he though CJ was impressive (via D-will) Anyone with real basketball intelligence can tell that CJ played well when he got a chance last year.. One of Sloan's only weaknesses is relating, motivating, and developing (playing time) the younger players. Brewer could have contributed is rookie year, CJ could contribute, D-will could have contributed earlier. He is too stubborn and it is keeping the Jazz from winning.. OK that's my rant.

  • sparks24
    July 23, 2008 4:16 a.m.

    If the Jazz let CJ go they will live to reget it. It will be viewed in 3 years as the greatest mistake KOC could make. Listen to other players DWIll Is telling you how could this kid is!!!!!

  • Snagger
    July 23, 2008 12:01 p.m.

    Hey Prophet who is ODONNEL? haha

  • Roger
    July 23, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    The question is this in 3 years who is the best player almond, korver, brewer or CJ? No question it will be CJ Miles Jazz must match!!!!!

  • re: Roger
    July 23, 2008 4:49 p.m.

    Agreed...in 3 years lets hope the 2 guys left on the Jazz roster are Miles and Brewer as they would be a great combination of offense/shooting and defense. For those of you who don't actually watch the games or look at the numbers, CJ outshot Korver this year: .479 vs .474 on FG and .390 vs .388 on 3's. It isnt a big difference, but it shows what CJ is possible of doing as shooters generally get better with more consistent playing time.

  • Snagger
    July 23, 2008 6:56 p.m.

    Just had to chime in on one thing. I think Brewer is overrated as a Defender. There I said it. He is a good off the ball defender, but man on man defender no. He doesn't have the killer instinct you need. KOBE lights him up for 50 and the dude is in asking for his autograph after the game. Take some pride in getting lit up. Do what Raja would do. haha. Maybe not that far, but there is no way Bruce bowen, James Posey, and Ray Allen are that much more athletic then Brewer is. Especially Bowen. Yet they held KOBE in check for the most part. I've just rewatched some games and watched what he was doing on D and his one on one D was below par. Lets all face it D is all about desire and effort and there were a lot of time in the playoffs the effort wasn't there. Bohica baby!