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Charles Krauthammer: The Gospel according to Obama

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 12:46 a.m.

    The best thing we can do is separate leadership from religion.

  • roswell Saint George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    40 years ago the mantra was to "stay out of my bedroom" and "stay out of my womb". For those so disposed, the accomplishment of this is not enough as they now, through their champions President Obama and Kathleen Sebelius, demand that someone else be responsible for providing the means to prevent or terminate pregnancy. While it may be true that the cost of contraception may be a burden for some, that does not make it the responsibility of someone else to pay for their choices. Chastity is also a choice, and quite frankly, the best form of birth control available. The logic and philosophy behind free birth control for all is flawed, yet a significant proportion of our citizenry and our national leadership have bought into it and promote it, and denying others their choice and freedom of conscience. Oh, the hypocrisy!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    Once again, Charles Krauthammer is back on his rant...

    Hey - Speaking of Gospel and American Presidents --
    Has anyone yet bothered to ask GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney if he believes in the Law of Consecration, United Order or Social Justice?

    That should throw the Anti-Union, Anti-Anything-Socialist, we hate all Communists [except the Chinese] Radical-right into a Political Tail-Spin.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Feb. 12, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    Unelecting Obama is the prime goal.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    The man sitting in the Oval Office is Obama, not Romney. The man who has taken an oath of office to DEFEND the Constitution is Obama, not Romney. The man who told the Catholic Church that it must provide abortifacients and contraceptives to its members (who work at its charity hospitals) is Obama, not Romney.

    When Romney is President, then you can question what he does or thinks, until then, why not concentrate on the man who sits in the oval office and lay off those who will unseat him?

    What does YOUR Church say about government interference in Religion? Do YOU believe that the LDS Church should be FORCED to pay for abortifacients or even for contraceptives to those who work at the Bishop's Storehouse or at Primary Children's Hospital? Do YOU believe that the 1st Amendment should protect an establishment of religion from government interference or not?

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. Defeat BHO and clean house, literally!

  • Army Prof New York, NY
    Feb. 12, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    LDS Liberal--I don't know what Mitt Romney might say to answer your questions about the United Order and communism, but here's what the First Presidency said in 1942: "Communism and all other similar isms bear no relationship whatever to the United Order. They are merely the clumsy counterfeits which Satan always devises of the Gospel plan ... The United Order leaves every man free to choose his own religion as his conscience directs. Communism destroys man's God-given free agency; the United Order glorifies it. Latter-day Saints cannot be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies ..."

    Is that clear enough for you? Tail-spin averted.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    I don't believe our President was trying to give a "gospel"...just common sense. If people have more, they should give more. That is simplistic and some may not agree (I believe mostly those that HAVE more, may not tend to agree).

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Is Krauthammer a 1 percenter? BYUalum. You make me happy I never went to BYU. All those required religion classes aparently taught you nothing important.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    So - All I can say to the Obama haters --
    You must not really believe Christ, it was HE who said -
    "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required."

    How about a little Logic test;

    If Obama quotes Jesus,
    Does that make Jesus wrong?

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Great column from Charles Krauthammer, as usual.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    re: Hutterite 12:46 a.m. Feb. 12, 2012

    "The best thing we can do is separate leadership from religion."

    What would happen to the GOP? It might disintegrate.... darn!?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    @ LDS Liberal 5:26 p.m. Feb. 12, 2012

    "How about a little Logic test;

    If Obama quotes Jesus,
    Does that make Jesus wrong?"

    Yes. Yes it does. Because, Obama is not a Republican. ROFL!

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    RE: LDS Liberal

    So where did Jesus mention the government, or use the government to compel goodness and charity?

    It was an individual mandate.

    You are judged by your own works, not by the governments you form.

    You are to work out your own salvaton, it is not collective.

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards:

    Save your breath. LDS? Liberal is neither LDS or liberal.

    krauthammer will be pilloried on these posts, but he is spot on in this article. Spot on. In the day, Obama would have been stoned to presume to speak in the name of God. How ironic that this secular president chooses to invoke the bible to support his social engineering and no one of his supporters raises the issue of "separation of church and state". What an absolute charlatain Obama is. And what an aberration that LDS Liberal supports his position.

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    @ LDS Liberal,

    You have used the interpretation of the doctrine selectively as you so often do. Your assertion suggests that it is the responsibility of the state to demand that more be given by those who have more. It presumes that they do not give more already. Just curios, how does what you gave last year compare to what Romney gave? Are you measuring by percentages or actual amounts?

    Or, do you have some special insight into what others give? many who have been given more give so much more that they don't broadcast for your benefit or for the amusement of others. They give and don't publish it for the accolades of man. All you see is what ceasar requires them to report.

    Will your politics of class envy never find an end?

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    Feb. 12, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    LIBERAL LDS: The use of the "word of God" or "Gospel of Christ" by governmental officials to extrapolate funds, and in this case, force health care mandates, at the point of duress and threat (in this case FINES) is nothing less than PRIESTCRAFT.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 12, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    When Jesus advised the young rich man to sell everything he had and give it to the poor, I am pretty sure he wasn't suggesting the young man send it to the Roman government for redistribution, Solyndra loans,paying for other people's birth control, their abortions or bail outs! My, how the definition of "compassion" has changed!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 10:52 p.m.

    newintown | 9:07 p.m. Feb. 12, 2012
    WOODS CROSS, UT
    @ Mike Richards:

    Save your breath. LDS? Liberal is neither LDS or liberal.

    =================

    Regarding Jesus and taxes when the Conservative Pharisees asked him what to do - his reply,

    "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars."

    Money had Cearsars face on it.
    Meaning - Just go ahead and pay your taxes.

    Salvation has NOTHING to do with money.

    You say I'm not a "real" LDS,
    but it you who seem to be the ones worshipping Babylon and Mammon.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    I keep asking the LDS literalists in these discussions the same question: why does it bother you that the government asks/commands you to do something God has already asked/commanded you to do (support the poor)? You are free to suffer the consequences of disobeying either - in this life or the next. You are specifically condemned to hell in your own scripture for trying to judge who's worthy of your support. I'm not bothered by the government asking me to give - even all. It's already a promise I made. Does it bother you that the government asks you not to murder?

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Feb. 13, 2012 12:34 a.m.

    To whom much is given, much is required. I know there are some rich Democrats who believe this. Are there any rich Republicans who do?

    The GOP always claims the monopoly on God. But boy, do they go against the greatest of commandments, to love one another, as you've been loved.

    Oh, you're supposed to be charitable on your own, and not when government tells you?

    Then just do it.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 13, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    @ Christy
    Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University whose work involves public policy and philanthropy, has written a new book called Who Really Cares: Americaâs Charity Divide: Who Gives, Who Doesnât, and Why It Matters. Brooks found that âreligious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.â
    It seems liberals are blatent hypocrites and want to force us to accept the government as the only worthy charity!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Mountanman | 8:19 a.m. Feb. 13, 2012
    Hayden, ID
    @ Christy

    ====================

    the truth is in the deatails.

    Liberals are more likely to not be religously affliated,
    and so remain skeptical as to who is right, and who is wrong.
    They certainly can't all be right.
    And what if they are ALL wrong?

    Joseph Smith recorded having those exact same thoughts too.
    [Yes, he was liberal]

    Meanwhile -
    If I didn't believe in any ONE true religion,
    I'd too would be more likely to turn my $$ over to a religously neutral Government for redistribution,
    than over to a highly selective, intolerant, and bigoted Religous organization.

    I hope that helps you see the 300 Million other Americans in general --
    and not just a little knott-hole view of the world from some Mormon guy hid out in Hayden Idaho.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Feb. 13, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    The Gospel according to Obama (and Bush)

    Take away the rights and freedoms of every land and nation on earth.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 13, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    @ LDS liberal
    Joseph Smith was a liberal? I spit my orange juice all over my computer when I read that! Very funny!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 13, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" I want to get in my comments too here.

    First of all, when Jesus said that "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required" it is speaking of eternal judgements, not of money.

    Tell us how taking this scripture out of context justifies increasing taxes on anybody? If we use that logic, then the US should be taxed on a global scale because the even the poor in the US earn more than the average person in most of the world.

    Give us a scripture or reference that states that the government should tax us and control us more.

    Everything I have ever seen states the opposite. Giving is a personal thing, and that as we are more obediant to God's will for us, we need less and less government.

    Please give us something that is clear, and not taken out of context that supports your statements.

  • Army Prof New York, NY
    Feb. 13, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    LDS Liberal keeps using that word "liberal." I do not think it means what he/she thinks it means.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Jesus also taught though shall not steal. Though shall not covet. Why would he give these commandments, if he didn't expect inequality? He knows people have the ability to make their own choices. Not even Jesus is going to force people to be righteous. That was Satans plan. Jesus plan is to allow everyone a chance to make their own decisions and reap the consequences of them.

    You'll notice barack and his cronies won't donate their own money to help the poor. And everytime they "help" the poor by attacking anyone that works, the more power they have and the more poor we have.

    Here's the question to ask barack. If you want to help the poor. Then why are you taxing charitable contributions? Doesn't it make sense to allow charities to keep their money and distribut it to the poor? I guarantee barack is going to take his "fair" share and create a czar to oversee the funds he strips from religion and gives to himself.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 14, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Jesus would want you to pay more taxes to the Federal Government - Obama's first commandment. I suspect Obama will probably try to re-write the New Testament when he re-writes the US constitution.... or just ban both of them like the good Marxist that he is.