So rather then acknowledge that high schooled educated federal workers are
"overpaid" and graduate level workers are under paid and deal with
both issues they are going to freeze everyones pay so that the graduate level
worker fall ever further behind their private sector counter parts? sounds like
pure politics not solutions to me.
Really? This is a joke, right?Federal workers have had their pay
frozen and haven't receiveid a pay raise since 1997, yes 19 90 & 7. That's
15 years ago, who ever is spreading this lie is not being honest. Not only has
there been a pay freeze on since 1997, Obama made it official in 2010 by making
it a law. Now all of a sudden another freeze for workers (overpaid/underpaid)
doens't make sense. The department of civil service for federal
employment has been tracking pay before and after 1997 and pay is currently over
17% below national private sector employment pay standards. Federal workers are
not living in luxury or prosperity like some legislator will like to say they
are just to put more people in sub poverty in this country. Why are all the
government heads citizens allowing and willing to destroy the economy to save
socialization of this country? Destroying workers will and labor is the prelude
I expect the reason federal workers who earn over $150K has doubled during the
Obama administration is partly due to the number of czars & support staff he
has appointed. He has expanded government rapidly & made these employees
responsible to only himself, not voters.
It's not necessarily the pay their given, but the compensation and health
benefits. When they get better health coverage than the private sector there is
something wrong with that, when they try to cut their budgets they cut the
military's health benefits when those that serve or have served get less and
less every budget issue something is wrong with that. When
Congressman get 198,000 a year to pay for office staff, even after they are
retired from the system there is something wrong with that. When they ear mark
money for projects that are not taking place until the next year there is
something wrong with that.It just goes on and on.It's
not the issue of a pay freeze or the pay itself, it is what they are doing with
the funds they get from taxes in the first place. Until they can understand what
a budget is, nothing will change and those that they say are underpaid, or over
compensated will just keep on getting what they get, or shafted (Hence the
military active and retired)The private sector will become poorer
and poorer, and less compensated.While the government goes into oblivion.
@davidfirst he is certainly not the first to appoint ":czars"
secondly who exactly do you think he is accountable too? If people are really so
worried about his "Czars" they will vote him out of office.
@MaudineThat is the plan. Vote him out of office.
My late husband was a Viet Nam vet who retired on disability (24K a year in
1997) as a GS-12. At that time, his working wage had been $52K a year. He spent
a total of 31 years in the service of our government and was consistently below
the average private-sector wage for his level of responsibility. He was also
below the military average. Federal employees do not pay into or receive Social
Security. Every president and congress since Nixon has at one time or another
frozen the wages of white-collar federal employees as a sign of fiscal
responsiblity. When my husband visited a contractor, he was not allowed to take
a donut without paying for it. If our legislators were held to the same
standard, where would the lobbyists be? Yes, federal employee benefits are
typically pretty good, but none of the WG's or GS's are getting rich, believe
me. One more thing: A federal job is a job. When it's cut, the employee and the
family are in just as bad a shape as if there'd been a private-sector cut.
It's probably disingenuous to compare the privileges and benefits of a
Congressman to the average federal worker. There are only 535 of those jobs in
Congress and they take care of themselves pretty good, not so good if your
pushing paper or a forest ranger.
We cannot pay congressmen or senators what they are worth because there minimum
wage laws !
I won't argue if those who feed at the public trough are over or under-paid. But
I will argue that there are far, far too many of them! The size of the federal
bureacracy...and the people needed to keep the behemoth going...is
mind-boggling. And regardless of who's in power or what they promise to do to
"cut the size of government" it gets no better. Or it gets worse. 'Tis
Congress should cut their pay in half, as they have done a half way job of
taking care of America's business. They have been to busy trying to do what is
best for themselves, and not enough time going what's best for America.
Tea-party tactics at work and an election year for the congressmen and women
that will be out at the caucuses real shortly. Pay freezes, changes in pay and
performance systems and restrictions in other areas and government workers are
being laid off and not just at GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street. We
need good government workers at all levels and a lot of the jobs do require a
college or professional education and those are the ones we will lose when the
economy is moving, as it is now. It is short sighted to make a carte blanche
decision to freeze everyone. Someone has to make tough decisions
but I am not sure this is just an economy decision but the Tea-Party people have
to get elected again, especially in the House as the Senate still hasn't gotten
to that point yet as they have only one year in. I am sure the
issue would be better handled if they looked at eliminating positions and not
throwing the baby out with the bath water. Positions are harder for managers to
deal with and just making everyone suffer is better and easier for them.
SES managers change out as they are appointed Presidential employees and not
normal hired employees. They change out periodically and the full-time
government manager is not always in control. Freezing salaries is political and
the House and President made the same decision one to extend and the other to
extend even further. I guess those lower end government employees will now be
able to end up with foreclosures also, and even the higher end as they can't
earn enough to pay back their education they sacrificed to get for the service
to their country. Cut out the military men and women who sacrificed
at least 10 years of their lives for our country. Now, the civilians are the
next. Military men and women get a priority for federal employment but if the
cut back on the slots and continue the salary freezes, then maybe unemployment
will be their option instead. With trillions of dollars going to bankers, Wall
Street, GM and Chrysler and even alternative electric companies, there is a
class type event going on.
We can easily discuss freezing the pay of Federal Workers, but getting tycoons
like Mitt Romney to put a crowbar in their wallet and pay above 15% Federal
Tax--not so much. We would rather take that out of public sector: teachers,
firefighters, cops, you know the fabric of society. You wonder why this nation
is in a downturn?