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  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    I'm glad that there is at least one person in the State of Utah who is excited about this year's recruiting class.

    Very truly yours,

    Uncle Otis

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    What's not to like Otis ? BYU is bringing in 2 QB recruits that are better than any the utes could hope for. They're also signing the top Utah high school recruit as well as a top linebacker from CA and 2 top WR's from AZ and CA. Sounds like a great class to me.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    Obviously not jealous Utah trolls like U

    Too bad your coach has never put a premium on stocking his QB position with quality QBs, which is why the U will always be a bottom tier PAC 12 program. Get used to 4-5 finishes.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 29, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    I'm sure there will be a few other Ute trolls who make uninformed comments like Spudlock.

    The reality is, Utes will probably be able to attract a few more recruits because of their PAC12 affliation than they could in the MWC, but they'll get them over other PAC12 schools not BYU. Hooker and Poutasi are classic examples of this. BYU will also continue to get top prospects like Taysom Hill, Ammon Olsen Tanner Mangum, Hinds, Pau'u, Weeks and others. And their recruiting pipeline will be bigger because of Indy and ESPN.

    Both schools are likely to remain ranked somewhere between 25 and 50 for their recruiting classes. BYU's ranking is definately skewed more because of the missionary program. If the returning RM's were counted in this years statistics, BYU would jump 10 - 15 places.

    The schools only competed against each other for a handful of recruits. BYU got a couple of those recruits and Utah got a couple. I'll take Hinds over any of the recruits we both went for.

    Neither school will ever compete with the top SEC, Big10 or Big12 schools for recruits. But both schools always seem to get the best from their recruits.

    I think it is more important to look at the final AP or Coaches ranking after the season, than it is
    to look at Scout's recruiting rankings. There will always be some 4 and 5 star recruits who are a bust, and their will always be some walk-ons who make a name for themselves.

    Remember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the NFL than there are 4 or 5 star recuits.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Alta, "Top" seems to be a very subjective term. Glad you're happy with this year's class, though. I assume the two QBs you mentioned are Hill and Mangum? Both of Utah's QBs this year and Jordan Wynn were rated higher than Hill was, and not far behind Mangum. I love these unrealistic emotional responses to dumb comments looking for nothing more than what you've given them. Good job.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    Jan. 29, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    How about brining in QBs that will actually stay there and produce.
    Hey SportsFan. Get used to sub-par bowl invitations. If even BYU will accomplish that.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    CFIT, I found myself nodding my head "yes" to nearly that entire comment EXCEPT two points:

    1. "If the returning RM's were counted in this years statistics, BYU would jump 10 - 15 places."
    Conversely, if the departing missionaries from this class were discounted, BYU would fall another 10-15 places. You don't get to count them twice.

    2. "Remember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the NFL than there are 4 or 5 star recuits."
    I wish I had the time to research what percentage of 3 star recruits are in the NFL versus the percentage of 4 or 5 star recruits, because they are very far apart. There are likely at least a thousand 3 star recruits scouted every year. Several go on to be pros, the vast majority do not. There are typically a dozen or so 5 stars, the majority of which play pro ball.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 29, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Wow! Otis was the first to jump on and read another BYU article. Then followed by more ute fans.

    Try to explain how you really don't like BYU, you just like to read the articles...Hmmmm ,that sounds firmiliar.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 1:21 a.m.

    re: StgtoSLC

    From the Scout rankings -
    #15 Mangum
    #30 Hill

    #27 Wilson
    #34 Wynn
    ?? Hansen (not ranked as a QB)

    I guess I was off by a few spots as being totally accurate but my point still holds.

  • Mr. Obvious Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2012 6:58 a.m.

    Joe DuPaix ?

    Who ?

    What ?

    Good Luck Cougs!

    Next years slogan; " Quest to Perfect, Band of Coaching Experts"

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    Sounds like a fish story to me!.

    Recruiting's up because of ESPN Thurs. & Fri. night exposure?

    A fisherman can cast his net out into the ocean and catch all the little fish he wants, its the skilled fisherman that catches the trophies one cast at a time.

    Enjoy your hukilau Capt. DuPaix

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 30, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    Looks like a great recruiting class to build on last year's 10-win, Top 25 team! Coming from a Midwesterner, it will be great to see the Cougars play at Notre Dame this year and it looks like most regions in the country will have a chance to see the Cougars play live. Of course, this excludes the fact that the entire nation can typically watch them play live via ESPN.

    The first year of independence brought great results and showed me that BYU has a hungry team that gets better by the week. I'm looking forward to seeing these new recruits join the team and keep the same momentum going forward!

    Oh, and don't worry about the Utah trolls -- they will just tell you that it's not wins and rankings that matter, but rather who you lose to...unless it's to a 10-loss team, in which case the opponent must still be impressive simply because of which league they belong to.

  • MR Draper, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    This is shocking! He is positive about the recruiting class? No matter what side of the argument you fall, would you expect him to say anything different? Slow news day I guess.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 30, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Exactly StGtoSLC... BYU can't have the counting of returning missionaries and Utah at 24... and not ever having been a perennial top 5 program along with the fact that they only started these mythological dream recruting teams in the 90's... really again redundantly proves that Utah or BYU cannot claim any real supremacy whatsoever over each other in projected Recruiting. Utah may lead in wins over BYU over the last 10 years of which Whit has a 4-3 advantage over Bronco...the only two coaches pertenant to this lastest round of recruit speculation...but BYU has the element that they have repeatedly finished higher in the final standings and in the top 25 more often than Utah... and as a staunch BYU fan I'd still have to say there doesn't exist any supremacy either way.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX
    Remember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the NFL than there are 4 or 5 star recuits.

    -----------

    The higher number of 3-star recruits playing in the NFL is not important. After all, there are far more of them. The percentage of how many 3-star vs. 4-star or 5-star recruits make it in the NFL would be a far more valuable statistic. I don't know the percentages, but my guess is the percentages are far higher for 4-star and 5-star recruits.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Jan. 30, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    If I were a recruit and was being looked at from BYU Coaches, I'd look elsewhere, as I don't want to play a bunch of WAC schools that are weak and feeble 8 games a year!!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 30, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    Hi Honor Code,

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a basic understanding of how football scheduling works. Bear in mind that teams usually fill their schedule multiple years in advance. Now, imagine a school that suddenly has 8-9 game slots to fill within one or two years. Will they be able to fill the entire schedule with great opponents? Not likely, but BYU still put together a decent schedule for such short notice. Now, if you take a look at who is already scheduling BYU in 2013 and beyond, you'll see what recruits are excited for.

    Then again, I'm sure you would rather play for a team that drops Boise State from its schedule in order to accommodate a team from Montana that doesn't even play in the same division. To each his own, I suppose.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Alta, there are more services than just Scout. Rivals 2009: Wynn #22, Hill #30. ESPN 2009: Wynn #41, Hill #61. Not saying these are a huge deal or anything, because we don't know how ready to play these guys are until we see them, and we know that when Wynn is healthy he can play, but none of those other guys we have seen yet, nor will we for likely a while. But "2 QB recruits that are better than any the utes could hope for"? Come on, let's be rational. Also, the name Scott Mitchell comes to mind...

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Honor Code
    Denver, Colorado
    If I were a recruit and was being looked at from BYU Coaches, I'd look elsewhere, as I don't want to play a bunch of WAC schools that are weak and feeble 8 games a year!!
    ----------

    The key word in that sentence is "if." Glad you were spared the ignominy, given you were never recruited and never played.

    BTW, how's that "guys with standards aren't any good" logic working out for that Heisman winning, NFL Division winning, Playoff Game winning, "100 guys who could play in an era" QB in Colorado? The Top 25 Cougars are enjoying it.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "the name Scott Mitchell comes to mind..."

    Go ahead and add the name Alex Smith...

    And Virgil Carter, Gary Sheide, Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco, Ty Detmer, Steve Sarkisian, Brandon Doman, John Beck, Max Hall -- 8 All Americans, a Heisman winner, several college HOF, 11 NFL QB's, 8 NFL starters, 2 Super Bowl wins (as starters - a few more as backups), 2 NFL MVPS and an NFL HOF to your list.

    I wish I had time to research how many Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Briens are among them or what percentage of BYU QB's have gone on to the pros vs Utah QB's, because they are very far apart.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    Rational, I'm not arguing that BYU has had more history at the QB position, just being realistic about this conception of vast superiority by many BYU fans.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    @stgtoslc

    It is "vast superiority", not even close.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    Scott Farcus

    Beaver, UT

    Sounds like a fish story to me!.

    Recruiting's up because of ESPN Thurs. & Fri. night exposure?

    A fisherman can cast his net out into the ocean and catch all the little fish he wants, its the skilled fisherman that catches the trophies one cast at a time.

    Enjoy your hukilau Capt. DuPaix

    Well, I guess being aired on local KJAZZ which reaches all the way to Logan brings in more recruits than ESPN is what you might call national attention...and you had better fish for Quarterbacks, because your selective fishing is bringing up groopers...

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 30, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    Hawkeye79:

    "I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a basic understanding of how football scheduling works....Then again, I'm sure you would rather play for a team that drops Boise State from its schedule in order to accommodate a team from Montana that doesn't even play in the same division."

    Either that was a desperate attempt to maneuver Utah as a school who runs away from competition, or it would be YOU who does not understand how scheduling works. Utah did NOT replace Boise St. with Montana St.

    Utah scheduled a Home-&-Home arrangement with Iowa St. In 2010, we played in Ames. In 2011 we WERE scheduled to play in SLC, but with the Big XII moving from an 8-game league schedule to a 9-game league schedule, they bought out of their contract with Utah. This left a hole in Utah's 2011 Home schedule. Boise St. was an AWAY game.

    Like Iowa St, Utah's league slate moved from an 8-game format to a 9-game format. Therefore, in order to balance our schedule to 6-HOME and 6-AWAY, one AWAY game had to be nixed. And THAT's why BSU was bumped.

    Since this has been explained over and over again, and you're not new, I must conclude your motivation for attacking Utah for cancelling our return game to Boise as a desperate, disingenuous, frantic and emotional jab. How sad for you that you must resort to such shameful tactics.

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    @ Veracity

    "Well, I guess being aired on local KJAZZ which reaches all the way to Logan brings in more recruits than ESPN is what you might call national attention...and you had better fish for Quarterbacks, because your selective fishing is bringing up groopers...

    What in the world are you talking about?

    Im true blue through and through! Im voicing my opinion about some high schools coaches son coming out an expert in recruiting!

    Its all smoke and mirrors, if you can't see that, theres some green Kool Aid over on the picnic table for you.

    I say fire Holmoe, he has fouled the entire department up.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    Scott Farcus

    Beaver, UT

    And I bet you beleive the cow jumped over the moon and the cat ran away with the spoon.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    "Duckhunter | 12:22 p.m. Jan. 30, 2012
    Highland, UT
    @stgtoslc

    It is "vast superiority", not even close."

    For the last 20 years of last century BYU may have had "vast superiority" at the position, but since then it has been pretty close.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    @stg

    No it hasn't.

    @Veracity

    farkus is a utah troll, although I'm sure you already figured that out. There are 2 or 3 screen names that post from "Beaver" and that is one of them. All the same person. I'm fairly certain it is just more screen names from the same individual that also goes by "54-10", "kosta fesenko", "hondo", "articuno BYU", "Noble Promise", "slcBYUfan", "patriot", and quite a few other names as well.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    ...not to mention the Utah "fans" that work for Deseret News posting 1000 word comments only seen by select individuals. They're so crafty.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    It's VAST superiority from a national perspective; and it's not even close:

    National Champsionships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heiman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    Top 10 Finishes
    BYU 4
    Utah 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 10
    Utah 3

    National College Football Hall of Fame Inductees
    BYU 6
    Utah 1 (a coach from the 40's)

    Doak Walker Awards (Nation's Best Running Back)
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Davey O'Brien Awards (Nation's Best Quarterback)
    BYU 4
    Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh Trophies (Nation's Best Passer)
    BYU 7
    Utah 0

    Outland Trophies (Nation's Best Interior Lineman)
    BYU 2
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 17
    Utah 0

    By joining an AQ conference, even the prestige of your two BCS bowls is diminished, and NOBODY outside of Utah cares about your head-to-head "superiority" from the leather-helmet era.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 30, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    Before talking about "superiority" on a national scale, Utah should first try to win at least one national award.

    *crickets*

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 30, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    In 2013, the only BCS bowl will be the BCS championship game.

    The Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose Bowls will be lumped back in with the other bowls. The term "BCS Bowl" will be meaningless and all of this conference musical chairs shuffling for AQ status will be for naught.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 30, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    Hi Naval Vet,

    I appreciate your response, however you must still face the fact that Utah backed out of dates with Boise State in 2011, 2012 and 2013. As far as I am aware, there is no requirement that a team must play 6 home and 6 away games each season. In fact, as a Naval vet, I'm sure you're aware that Navy played only 5 home games last year. Harvard did the same.

    When faced with the choice of a challenge (playing a solid team on the road) or a cupcake (FCS school at home), Utah chose the cupcake. Either game could have been dropped, but Utah chose to keep Montana St. over Boise State. People can decide for themselves whether they consider that the decision of a great team or a team desperate for an easy win.

    Again, to each his (or her) own.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Lonestar, try bringing something relevant to the conversation I was having instead of typical "look at our awards from our glory years" trash talk.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    Hawkeye79,

    From what I understand of the situation, the Montana State and Boise State scheduling are completely unrelated. Iowa State bought out the contract with Utah, which was replaced by Montana State for the opening week. The BYU and Pitt games were already scheduled, along with a 9-game conference schedule. The BYU and Pitt games were also already scheduled. For Utah to play Boise, they would have had to drop one of those two games, as Boise played Georgia opening week.

    Nice moniker, btw, Iowa's been my favorite Big 10 team to watch the last 10 years or so.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    Haha my bad, don't know how I managed to repeat the same line in the middle of my comment.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 30, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    Try bringing something relevant into the conversation like what national awards has Utah ever received. Even during your "glory years", BYU still managed to finish in the Top 25 more often:

    Bronco - 5 of 7 years, 3 in the Top 15
    Kyle - 3 of 7 years, 1 in the Top 15

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 31, 2012 12:51 a.m.

    mussingaround: "Try bringing something relevant into the conversation like what national awards has Utah ever received."

    Umm no, because that's actually not relevant to my conversation. I won't stoop to the level of whipping out measuring sticks. We'll see in September which coach has his team ready to play against the other one again. If some back-and-forth chest-puffing is what you want over NFL players, pro bowlers, all-americans, etc, etc, ask Naval Vet or Vegas Ute, I'm sure they'll oblige. That's an exercise in futility, however, so I prefer actual topical dialogue.

    The original claim was: "BYU is bringing in 2 QB recruits that are better than any the utes could hope for." It's wrong. End of story for me.