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Gingrich mocks Romney's 'self-deportation' solution to illegal immigration, Romney swings back

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  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    Sounds like Romney has left an opening for legal residency as opposed to citizenship, which is smart. It allows him to talk to the right, but come back to something reasonable in the general election.

    I've noticed that people who oppose immigration never quote reputable, objective, unaligned sources such as "The Economist" in posting their arguments. Perhaps it is because "The Economist" has multiple studies showing that immigration helps the economy. Those who deny this fact need to go back to Econ 101 and Adam Smith.

    In ~878, the Chinese killed at least 120,000 Muslim, Christian, and Jewish traders in Canton. Some estimates put it at 200,000. Canton stopped being an extremely profitable trading port, as the silk/spice trade moved to other cities where immigrants were safer. Those trying to "kick the Mexicans out" need to realize how hurting freedom also hurts the economy - just like Canton in 878.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    This is the first article I've read in the DN in a long while that actually touches the topic of discussion between two GOP candidates, even though the mudslinging is still present. I'll deal with the mud--keep the actual content coming!!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    @ rhappahannock

    Emigration can be good, and yes when a huge population is wiped off of the map, people do tend to look elsewhere where it's safer.

    At the same time immigration can also be horrible to the local population. As far as loss of local customs, languages, society norms etc. I'm not saying immigrants necessarily don't contribute; but, look at what is happening now. The growing latino population is upset when they are asked to speak english in school. So they protest and demand that eveyone else learn their language. Their family size on average is double or triple that of the local population. The illegals don't have insurance, and use our charity at the hospitals adding to the burden of the local population. Illegals steal social security numbers adding to the crime. Illegals drive without insurance. Illegals can own property and get a loan, yet US citizens cannot buy land in places such as Mexico. It's forbidden.

    Where's the equality, when illegals take and not contribute? They don't pay taxes on their income, food stamps, emergency room, car insurance, home insurance, etc.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    Romney has it right on here. If the government would crack down on greedy employers hiring illegals, as well as to stop giving out all these benefits (WIC, free emergency room care, and free education and welfare to anchor babies) then what else would all these millions of illegal freeloaders do but to go back to mexico?

    Newt has stated before that he wants to give illegals amnesty. Well, we all know that isn't going to work, but will instead just make a bigger magnet for illegals to hop the border. What has Newt done to curb the invasion from mexico that was going on on his watch in Congress? Newt has ZERO credibility on this issue.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    Gingrich knows how to work an audience. The problem is what he said in South Carolina would most likely be opposite of what he says in Florida. The man is a showman. Romney is a vanilla CEO type but I trust him much more than Gingrich.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    @Jazz Bass Man

    "If the government would crack down on greedy employers hiring illegals, as well as to stop giving out all these benefits (WIC, free emergency room care, and free education and welfare to anchor babies) then what else would all these millions of illegal freeloaders do but to go back to mexico?"

    ===========================

    Those "anchor babies" (ugly, near racist, dehumanizing term) happen to be AMERICAN CITIZENS. Just as American as you or I, and deserving of every right WE enjoy as such.

    While I in no way condone illegal immigration, I support opening the borders. I did nothing to ask or deserve to be born in this wonderful country, certainly did nothing to deserve my citizenship here, who am I to say who can enjoy these blessings, and who cannot?

    Staff Sergeant Darrel Ross-United States Army

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    We allow over 1 million people to immigrate legally here each year. That's very generous. Legal immigrants should show their gratitude for the opportunities we are giving them by assimilating and becoming Americans. Illegal immigration should not be tolerated. Crack down on the illegals and their employers.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Darrel,

    First off, thank you for your service to your country.

    To address your responses, first of all I didn't mention anything about RACE. Illegal immigrants come in all races. Mexico is a country, not a unified race. Second of all, there are BILLIONS of poor people in the world who are MUCH more impoverished than mexicans, who only wish they could come to this country and get free welfare, school and health care. I know, because I sponsor kids in Africa who live in conditions that people in this country could not imagine.

    You say we should "open the borders", well can you explain how it's fair to keep out poor kids in Africa, but let border hoppers from mexico stay here, just because mexico is our geographical neighbor? How is it fair to give amnesty to illegals while thousands from all over the world have come the legal way, and spent all kinds of money, time and paperwork to do it the right way, and many are still trying to get their citizenship? Just how long would our country last if we opened our borders to the entire third world?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    The reason America has such a dominate, vibrant and rich culture is because of immigrants. American culture is dominate in the whole world. What happens is immigrants from all parts come toether and if the magic works as here in America, the best tends to survive and the other not. Survival of the fittest.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Here's another reason why a vote for Newt = a vote for Barack. The general voter population will ask, "Why should we vote for an Obama clone when we already have Obama?" Just one more illustration of the fact that Newt is a Washington insider, a political elite, and an enemy to the taxpayer and American citizen worker. Just keep the insanity coming, and we'll be a genuine third-world country in no time at all.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Legal immigration may improve the economy, with studies taking both sides of the argument, illegal immigration is a drain.

    Birthright children do have a right to be here, but if they are under 18, and not living with a citizen, they are to be with their parents until 18. Then they can return on their own. Darrel, your ancestors paid your price for being here, by coming here legally.

    If a person has been here for 25 years, I doubt they want to be an American. They are here for the jobs and social services.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 25, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    Romney is right and in fact Gingrich two years ago used the exact same term "self-deportation" and the proper solution. His short term memory is going to be his downfall.

    Thanks Gingrich for opening the door up for Romney. You actually mocking your own policy.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Jan. 25, 2012 9:49 p.m.

    Gringrich is a side show and a clown that says what the audience wants to hear - he is good at that. But the reality is that if he wins the nomination - and I fear he will be able to appeal to the people that enjoy a side show - he will ruin this country. He will lose and another democratic Congress and Senate will follow - it will be a landslide.

    Romeny is not exciting but he is solid and has a huge hill to climb - unfortunately for him most people feel like the coach that yells the loudest and gets all worked up on the sideline is what they prefer.

    These are days of concern to say the least.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 12:48 a.m.

    @rhappahannock

    "Sounds like Romney has left an opening for legal residency as opposed to citizenship, which is smart."

    @jazzbassman
    "Newt has stated before that he wants to give illegals amnesty. "

    Newt has said that he supports an opening for legal residency, not citizenship. If you think that's amnesty then based on the top comment you must think Romney supports amnesey too.

  • bluejean Farmington, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 1:43 a.m.

    Self-deportation is the most humane choice of any in this problematic issue.

    This attack just makes Gingrich look more and more like the old shark we knew and didn't love, way, way, way back when... ,

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Jan. 26, 2012 6:46 a.m.

    "and I fear he will be able to appeal to the people that enjoy a side show"

    Yes, you are correct. And to be honest, those "people that enjoy a side show"
    are the solid GOP base.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    People have been using the phrase self deportation. The first time I saw it was in this paper on an opinion piece by Ruben Navarrette Jr.

    Newt said he would give a path to those here for 25 years, how is he going to get rid of the rest? If he doesn't use self deportation, then he's going to round them up and deport them?

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    I'm just curious, is this the same Gingrich who has said that Spanish is the language of the ghetto?

    I thought Romney's "self deportation" attitude was interesting and speaks to one of the distinct problems with immigration reform, businesses that encourage illegals by hiring them under the table.

    If the jobs dry up under the enforcement of the law and prosecuting the hirers of illegal immigrants, those here without credentials will have no incentive but to return and potentially re-enter legally.

    For those die hard liberals who insist on softballing this issue, Romney offers a sensible moderate solution for those who Gingrich says speak the language of the ghetto.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Jan. 26, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    I ask myself everyday, which one would beat obama.
    I dont like gingrich, but many like him to out debate obama.
    I like romney, but many think he is not tough enough to beat obama.
    So this is our problem, not romneys.
    We the people need to Grow Up.

  • barbara Carlsbad, CA
    Jan. 26, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    Re: Gingrich's constant referral to Ronald Reagan. Thank goodness for Reagan, football fields, golf balls and freight trains. Without them we would have no field of reference for anything. Reagan, any act deemed praiseworthy; football fields, anything as big as; golf balls, anything the size of; freight trains, anything as loud as.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    If we let the illegals stay then we can do away with department of immigration and naturalization. If the illegals stay, is the country going to refund the money it charged those who immigrated legally?

    A couple of issues should be addressed. The first being three weeks ago both of these candidates promised there would be no dirty ads or politiking against the other.

    Have either of them kept their word? I suggest the answer is no and the current ads prove me correct. Are we expecting either to keep their word when they arrive in Washington?

    The second question is, these two men are at odds with one another. They tell and show how the other candidate is so wrong, how their policies cannot work and how the other is so corrupt.

    When a winner is finally declared, does that mean that candidate declares the policy for the party?

    These two men are at opposite ends of the spectrum on some policies. Where does the party lie on them. Is it mandatory for us to follow the party no matter who leads?

  • Semper Fi Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 26, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Jazz Bass Man,
    Your sincerity has been exposed by your punctuation. How very clever of you to denigrate the country of "mexico", while respecting the country of "Africa" in both your posts (3:36pm, 4:33pm, 1/25). Not once, but four times. Did the censors choose to ignore your omission of the capitalization of a 'person or place'? I would have denied your post on the obvious intended slam, even though I agree with your opinion.

    1- How is it that you thank "Sgt. Darrel" for his service, and show respect for the nation of "Africa", but refuse to show proper respect for the nation to our south, "mexico"? Do you empathize with poor mexicans and poor africans, or just Africans? You managed to capitalize Newt, Congress, Africa and WIC mid-sentence, then intentionally refuse to capitalize Mexico. You emphasize your point (and mine) by doing all caps for "ZERO, RACE, MUCH and BILLIONS".

    2- If you need an example in courteous writing, see the first post by rhappahannock (3:10pm). He/she managed to show respect to every nationality cited.

    I am citing your clever but obvious omission here in hopes that this site monitor bigotry carefully.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    **'U.S. sets another record for deporting illegal immigrants' - By Lee Davidson - DSNews - 08/19/10

    **Record high: 400,000 undocumented immigrants deported By Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 10/18/11

    U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement deported nearly 400,000 undocumented immigrants during the fiscal year that ended in September, breaking records for the third year in a row.

    **'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post

    Sorry.

    Obama's record on RECORD deporation of illegal immigrants...

    puts Newt AND Romney's record to shame.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Here's a democrat solution. Let's just force everyone to give their money to the federal government. The government re-distributes it 1/2 for themselves the other 1/4 for their friends and buddies. The last 1/4 to the people that will vote for them.

    Then borrow money until there isn't a nation dumb enough to loan us money.

    And take in every illegal and anyone who wants to be here. We'll provide for their transportation.

    Then watch the US prosper and grow with all of the wonderful rich fulfilling immigrant talent.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    So pagan is now proud of obama tearing families apart and ruining their right to the American dream?!

    I'm shocked.

    But, even better than enforcement of the law, barack has destroyed the economy and since unemployment is 5% in Mexico, many of the illegals are self deporting. They'll be back, if the good times come here again. Mostly if barack is fired and Romney repairs the economy.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    "...Newt has ZERO credibility on this issue...".

    As well as a few others...

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    'So pagan is now proud of obama tearing families apart and ruining their right to the American dream?!' - Liberal Ted | 11:20 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012

    Wow.

    Did I say 'tear apart families'?

    No.

    Go ahead Libeal Ted.

    Quote me!

    Injecting whatever phrasing you want under someone ELSE'S name, does not make it factual.

    Must be taking tips from Mitt Romney:

    **'First Romney TV ad blasts Obama' - By Mercedes White, Deseret News - 11/22/11

    'It appears that in that instance, Obama was quoting an aide to then-2008 opponent Sen. John McCain (sic) That might be beside the point though because...'