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  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:08 a.m.

    Hear hear!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2012 2:40 a.m.

    Apparently, Cynthia, it is too much to ask. It was a disgraceful spectacle for McCain to parade around as the candidate of the "family values party"; it's downright nauseating to watch Gingrich rising up to play the same role. Is the Republican Party really so hypocritical down to the core? Excuse me while I throw up.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Cain's strategy of denial didn't play as well as Gingrich's strategy of confession, apology, and (alleged) repentance. Of course, Gingrich couldn't really deny his missteps because they were so well documented. Apparently Republicans are willing to forgive and forget rather than question a person's real character as reflected in his past history -- except when it comes to Romney's flip-flops on health care, abortion, immigration, etc.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    And a very quick, cursory fact-check on Mitt Romney will answer the question: "will we have someone conservative, decent and honest to vote for?". The answer is an unequivocal NO!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    Conservative, decent and honest are three words rarely found in the same sentence, much less in the same person.

    Good luck finding that person (he doesn't exist).

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Decent, Honest candidate?

    Not in any of these debates.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Complain to your GOP! They're the ones deciding this.

    For once, the repubs can't blame their horrible candidates on the liberal media. The repubs are digging their own graves here. They're the ones giving Newt new life.

    When the repubs lose this next election badly, they don't need to complain about the liberal media "mudslinging" but merely look in the mirror.

    Provide America with someone good folks! It's not that difficult.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Jan. 24, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    Funny though, where have all these women dissappeared to who accused Cain? They seem to have crawled back into the msm's shadow. It makes you wonder just how far they would go to discredit a black (as he refers to himself), conservative man!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Excuse me, but you had someone like that with Jon Huntsman Jr. --
    but you guys threw him under the bus.

    How about you give it another go in 2016

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Unfortunately that "conservative, decent and honest" candidate is not Mitt Romney. Too bad Jon Huntsman dropped out.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Let's see Newt's first wife got dumped (in favor of a mistress) when she had cancer. Wife number two got the same news when she was diagnosed with MS. Message to Callista: Don't get the Flu!

  • David King Layton, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for 54 years. Has served in the Air Force. Delivered over 4,000 babies as a doctor. Ran his own medical practice where he had two rules. They would not perform abortions, and they would not accept federal money. Instead, they would give free or low cost services to struggling patients.

    I'd call that decent.

    Ron Paul hasn't been known to change his words to fit the crowd he's speaking to. He doesn't take part in the lucrative Congressional pension program. Terry Holt, who worked on George W. Bush's campaigns, and a former Republican staffer, said this:
    "He has never been someone who was interested in being co-opted or in trading and dealing...There was nothing he wanted that we could offer him in exchange for his vote."

    I'd call that honest.

    Based on statistics collected by the American Journal of Political Science, Ron Paul has the most conservative voting record of any congressperson since 1937. If you define conservative as limited government, adherence to the Constitution, a foreign policy that first defends America...

    I'd call that conservative.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 24, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Cynthia isn't being held back from supporting anyone she likes, but that person just may not be a Republican. It's pretty hard to see a hero coming from the filibustering, oppose-Obama-at-any-cost, tiny-tent cabal that is today's GOP. I don't know just what Cynthia prefers in a candidate, but the meaning of the term "conservative" appears to change every day.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    Sorry Cynthia, that combination of qualities does not exist in any known human being.

    The problem for us is that all the candidates are members of the cult of commercial business and as such are even more so deficient in those qualities.

    The phony nomenclature of democrat, republican, liberal, conservative dont really have the breadth to describe the true nature of business minded people.

    Most all authoritative positions in government are held by businessmen.

    Most all government actions are taken in the interest of businessmen. Even those laws that secure our rights and freedoms.

    Candidates seeming invest much more money in getting elected to the position than the position itself pays. The truth is, the profitable gain from private sources is the real motivation.

    Personal qualities like morality and honesty are far overcome by the need for personal profit.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Obviously the conservatives cannot deliver, and the Republicans have driven out sane, pragmatic candidates (Huntsman and Pawlenty). I guess that leaves President Obama.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    **'Romney campaign battles Dems, Press over issue of transparency' - By Barrett Haake - NBC News - 11/17/11

    "There it was this morning, on the front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no campaign ever wants to read: Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped records."

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    The decent honest candidate (Ron Paul) is under attack by the mass media because he is not anti-constitutional like these other candidates are.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Huntsman is not honest at all. His campaign makes a racist video and blamed it on the Ron Paul campaign. This was admitted. Now tell me how that is honest?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    @David King

    Ron Paul has been in Congress off and on since the 1970s. What has he accomplished? What has he led the charge on? What major, far-reaching legislation has been sponsored and gotten through committee, voted on and signed into law by the President.

    I'm not electing a doctor-in-chief, but a President who can lead and get things done. Ron Paul can talk the talkd, but a little skimpy on the walk the walk.

    Actions speak louder than words.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    'His (Huntsman) campaign makes a racist video and blamed it on the Ron Paul campaign. This was admitted.' - Anti Bush-Obama | 11:43 a.m. Jan. 24, 2012

    When, where, by whom?

    I love all these 'quotes' from conservatives...

    that don't have dates, times, sources!

    THIS, is a quote:

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

    Sound familiar?

    **'Mitt Romney, Rick Perry slap at Ron Paul on Iran issue' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews - 12/28/11

    "You don't have to vote for a candidate who will allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Because America will be next..." Article

  • David King Layton, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    @ CHS 85

    Here we come to an important point. What should the metric of success be for a President? (or that matter, any politician) Admittedly, what I hope for from a President may not be the same as others, so what follows is my opinion of how we should determine the success/failure of any leader.

    Does this person fulfill the basic oath of office, and defend and protect the Constitution of the United States?
    Is this person honest, willing to speak truthfully about the nation's challenges, and consistent in their own beliefs?
    Does this person speak seriously about the debt crisis and the effect it will have on future generations?

    You see, I don't want a president who plans on running the economy, running our lives, or running the world. In my mind, he has a simple job, to uphold the Constitution and protect individual liberty. I don't believe we need more laws, government agencies, and programs, but less. Instead of passing laws, I'd prefer it if Congress was willing to repeal a few. By my research and study, Ron Paul will best fulfill the Oath of Office, take seriously the debt, and protect individual liberty.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Re: "THIS, is a quote: 'The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002"

    It's also absolutely, demonstrably, 100% TRUE.

    Leftist, Bush-hating radicals often get so far off the track and into their own deranged rhetoric, they no longer even remember what's true and what's not.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    Re: "THIS, is a quote: 'The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002"

    It's also absolutely, demonstrably, 100% TRUE. - procuradorfiscal | 1:39 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012

    Reply:

    *'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News - 01/12/05

    'Mr Duelfer reported last year that Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons at the time of the US-led invasion nearly two years ago.'

    "Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix also said there was no surprise in the announcement."
    "We have believed that there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003...'
    - BBC News - 01/12/05

    Go AHEAD!

    Prove it.

    Porve there were Nuclear weapons in Iraq.

    It's 'only' been a x10 year occupation of Iraq.

    That:

    **'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 12/20/2011

    Also:

    **'Obama marks Iraq wars end with salute to troops' - by Erica Werner - AP - Published by DSNews - 12/14/11

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    Mr. King is right: Ron Paul is the only legitimate conservative!

    He has a gleaming, squeeky clean background. And is truly conservative and demonstrates conservative values. He has the stongest starting point of all the GOP candidates.

    Of course you can't get anything done in D.C. unless you compromise. And I'm sure Paul would knuckle down and work with both paries.

    Ron Paul is our guy!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    The Democrats having nothing to say about honesty and morality. They refused to convict Mr. Clinton after he was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern in the halls of the Oval Office.

    Mr. Gingrich resigned for doing things similar.

    Mr. Clinton cannot run again for President, but Mr. Gingrich can. If having sex outside of marriage is STILL against the moral grain of most Americans, Mr. Gingrich's campaign is almost over.

    When the media starts documenting the lies being told by Mr. Obama about EVERYTHING, including the percent of people unemployed in America, Mr. Obama's campaign will end.

    Unless another Democrat steps up, no one who values honesty could ever vote for Mr. Obama.

    That leaves a few Republicans. By the end of the Primary season, enough facts will be presented by the press, the same press that refuses to report on Mr. Obama, that we will clearly see who is the most honest person running.

    It will not be Mr. Obama and it will not be Mr. Gingrich.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    Mike Richards | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012
    South Jordan, Utah

    Nice rant there preacher.

    The fact is - you will end up voting for the "R" no matter who wears it.
    You always have, always will.

    Pres. Obama just needs to show up to win re-election.
    The GOP is whipping itself into uch a mobocracy, whoever ends up winning the nomination will end up licking his wounds and playing Damage control for the next 9 months.

    Sad - Reagan had such talent to include most Americans.
    The GOP has fallen so, so far....

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @David King

    Once again, Representative Paul isn't new at the political game. He has been in congress for DECADES.

    To me, the true definition of leader isn't one who stands along and preaches to the people. A true leader inspires people to take a risk and follow them. A true leader stands out in front and LEADS. He convinces others of his ideas. He recognizes that others can also be right, and uses their ideas to help himself and others. A true leader is adaptable and bring out the best in others.

    You might see it, but I don't see an great leader in Ron Paul. I see a good guy - and a guy who needs to attend a Toastmasters meeting or two.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    'They refused to convict Mr. Clinton after he was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern in the halls of the Oval Office.' - Mike Richards | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012

    Correct.

    By, Newt Gingrich. While he was cheating on HIS wife.

    **'Gingrich Admits to Affair During (attempted) Clinton Impeachment' - By JAKE TAPPER - ABC News - 03/09/07

    "There were times when I was praying and when I felt I was doing things that were wrong. But I was still doing them," Gingrich said during the interview." - article

    And...

    he has substantial traction, winning SC, for the REPUBLICAN nomination for President!

    Also we have examples of:

    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    John Ensign
    John Edwards
    David Vitter

    all, cheating on their wives.

    Know the difference?

    Sen. David Vitter, a Republican...

    is STILL in office after his affair and the 'DC Madam.'

    We HAVE a family values canidate.

    He's already in the white house!

  • Earl Sandy, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    @CHS 85 4:45: That's just scary. "Preaches to the people????" Like Mussolini? Like Lenin? Is that what you want? Ron Paul is not a charismatic, that's what you really want. He's an honest and very insightful teacher if you'll take the time to listen to him. Sheesh.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    I enjoy Pagan's posts. I find them to be logical and documented.

    I would like the Deseret News to give him a forum for his ideas rather than simply posting them here.

    I think it would add to diversity of opinion in their publication.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    As you taunt others about the way they vote, or the way they believe, or the way they uphold the Constitution, you show us that your position is too fragile to stand on its own. The fact that your every post tries to tear down those who have formed an opinion that does not require your approval has left you with two options - tear them down or admit defeat. You have chosen to try to tear them down.

    Most of us have seen that behavior before. Someone becomes disaffected with his church or his political party or his wife. Instead of admitting that he needs to change, he tries to prove that EVERYONE else is at fault.

    In America, each person can offer his opinion. No one needs to have his opinions "vetted" by another poster.

    There is a fine line between attacking an idea and attacking the person who voices that idea. Before you think that this is a personal attack, just re-read your posts on all of the forums today. Can't anyone post anything contrary to your opinion without being personally attacked?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 25, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    J Thompson | 9:30 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012
    SPRINGVILLE, UT

    ================

    I guess you missed the whole "Mike Richards" comment I was responding to.

    Look - I'm LDS, card-carrying, R.M., Temple Married, Temple worthy...blah, blah, blah.

    I'm also an American.
    a Veteran.
    Who's seen the ugly side of Fighting, and has sworn the Oath to Defend the Constitution -- against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

    I do tend to get angry with those [usually the far-right] who constantly seek to take away freedom, by enacting laws FORCING people to only choose the right [Lucifer's Plan], who enrich the wealthy at the expense and exploitation of others, who cause and start Wars for profit, who follow blind Party Totalitarian allegience regardless of what's Right or Wrong.

    Bro. Richards, RedShirt, yourself and others seek to over-throw our nation.
    By taking away our Democracy and establish a pure Theocratic-Republic.

    I defend our Constitution from your sort of enemy from within.

    It's a War I fought BEFORE this life.
    It's a War I fight DURING this life.
    It's a War I will continue AFTER this life.

    FYI - YOU and your ilk threw Huntsman under the bus, I didn't.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Another of the multiple reasons to support Mitt Romney and forget Newt Gingrich.