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At LDS Seminary Centennial broadcast, President Packer talks of surviving 'in enemy territory'

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  • Ray in St.Petersburg Saint Petersburg, FL
    Jan. 23, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    Amen and Amen!

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 7:06 a.m.

    President Packer is one of the greatest men of our day.

  • 2funny midvale, utah
    Jan. 23, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    What he failed to tell you in the article, is before you can have the Holy Spirit living in you, you must first come to the Cross. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, except by Christ. You must first believe the God sent His son to die for your sins. The whole Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    @2funny: You are exactly right (except I would also insert "Atonement" in with your list of what "the whole Gospel" is). That is exactly what I believe as a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and as someone who has read the New Testament from cover to cover many dozens of times. Just because President Packer did not say your exact words in this particular talk does not mean he does not know and believe that. Actually, in his talk, President Packer did remind us that we need to "come unto Christ and be perfected in Him."

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    I would also like to add this statement from Joseph Smith:

    "What are the fundamental principles of your religion?

    "The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. But in connection with these, we believe in the gift of the Holy Ghost, the power of faith, the enjoyment of the spiritual gifts according to the will of God, the restoration of the house of Israel, and the final triumph of truth."

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon teaches the doctrine of Christ better than any other book on the face of the earth - Have a look at that book to find out what 'Mormons' believe about Jesus Christ and his gospel. For example:

    Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who blayeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise. 2 Nephi 2:8

  • Lbone Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    Pres. Packer is one of the great noble ones in this dispensation. I've admired him since I was a kid. He teaches the Gospel clearly, succinctly and in a manner that one cannot misunderstand. God bless Pres. Boyd K. Packer!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    2funny, you are too funny. glad you are qualified to tell an apostle what he should have said.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    Two of my favorite quotes from the fireside are these. From Elder Marion G. Romney, "Don't just teach them so they understand. Teach them so they don't misunderstand." From Brother Yates, to a young Brother Packer, "Learn at the feet of the Apostles, and it will have a profound effect on you." We all have that admonition.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    @ 2funny. hate to burst your bubble you live in But over 14 million members of the church of Jesus Christ Of latter-day Saints already have don what you just said. we Embrace Christ we preach of Christ and we try to live as Christ lived and we do not just draw to him with lip service. but desire to become Christ like in our everyday lives. But thanks for the reminder of who it is that all Mankind may receive eternal life though obeying his commandments and going forth to sin no more.
    Now on a more on point note President packer was right on target! I loved watching this broadcast with my sons.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Re: Montana Mormon,I would also insert "Atonement" in with your list of what "the whole Gospel" is). That is exactly what I believe as a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and as someone who has read the N. T.from cover to cover many dozens of times.OK,

    The Atonement from(13c Latin)actually(Katallage,G. 2643,)=reconciliation. Salvation is not universal but based on the belief of the individual (Romans 1:16; Heb 9:28;Eph 2:8-9)

    Paul said, the gospel=(Evangelical, G. 2098) which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Cor 15:1-4).

    A simple plowboy can understand the euaggelion(Evangelical) it takes a priest to make it difficult. Martin Luther.

  • David in CA Livermore, CA
    Jan. 23, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Directed @ "Montana Mormon" @ 8:44 AM:

    You give a quote from Joseph Smith. It's a Great Quote.
    Where can that quote be found? Is it in the "School of the Prophets"?
    Is it in the "History of the Church"? The "Journal of Discourses" is mostly
    quotes from Brigham Young, but maybe it's there? The "Articles of Faith"
    come from the Wentworth Letter letter, I believe. Where does one find
    the exact quote that you referenced?

    Anyone else besides Montana Mormon could chime in too.

    Thanks in advance...

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    RE: David in CA You give a quote from Joseph Smith. It's a Great Quote Where can that quote be found?
    the gospel(KJV)=(Evangelical, G. 2098) which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Cor 15:1-4).

    RE: Montana Mormon,.. I would also insert "Atonement" in with your list of what "the whole Gospel" is. That is exactly what I believe as a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and as someone who has read the N. T. from cover to cover many dozens of times.

    The Atonement from(13c Latin)actually(Katallage,G. 2643,= reconciliation). Salvation is not universal but based on the belief of the individual (Romans 1:16; Heb 9:28;Eph 2:8-9)

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Jan. 23, 2012 6:01 p.m.

    The Joseph Smith quote comes from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith,page 121.

  • David in CA Livermore, CA
    Jan. 23, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    To "Montana Mormon":

    Thank You for getting back quickly. I will find a copy of the
    "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith".

    Thanks Again. Lord Bless.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Jan. 23, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    Sharrona: Thanks for the additional insights.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    The cross is but a piece of the Atonement of Christ. Fixating upon it places Christ in a constant death-thraul that apostate religions have used to bludgeon believers with fear, guilt and shame for ages. It is time to focus on the empty tomb as well--or upon a grove of trees where a young man had the courage to ask God and upon a pillar of light. Or in the return of divine messengers bearing the Priesthood of God--the authority to act in righteousness and power for God in this day and age--a restoration of loving, living prophets, seers and revelators.

    Elder Packer's words are very appreciated and precious in our age. I attended the fireside with one of my children who is Seminary age. Specifically his comments on gender, morality and agency, which are subjects of confusion to most growing adolescents in our society. LDS teens are fortunate to have the opportunities provided by the restored Gospel to learn the Scriptures. It's a blessing to have such a spiritual boost every morning. It was also cool to learn that Pres. Eyring's mom was in the first seminary class.

  • IndependentLiberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    Raybeis 7:12

    1 Cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    Hardly the "fixation on the death thrual" (sic)you allude to

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    Jan. 24, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon further teaches that one comes to the cross, meaning comes to Christ, in the full sense only by coming though covenant. That is why Christ invites us to be baptised (See 3 Nephi 11 & 27) and why he has restored the priesthood authority necessary to perform such baptisms (See Doctrine and Covenants 13 & 20). Again, the Book of Mormon teaches the need for baptism better than any other book on the face of the earth and ties it beautifully to the doctrine of Christ (See 2 Nephi 31). Maybe that is why Christ himself connects believing in the Book of Mormon and coming into the covenant in this language:

    Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Chest, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the
    Gentiles, ... they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant. (3 Nephi 21:11)

    I gladly come to the cross - just as gladly as I come to the waters of baptism!

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    IrishLDS ,The Book of Mormon teaches the need for baptism.

    and they rose and came forth out of the water, being filled with the Spirit(Mosiah 8:14),teaches that the Spirit falls upon men after baptism without any ordinances.
    And it came to pass that they had spoken these words the Spirit of the Lord came upon them ,and they were filled with joy, having received a remission of sin, and having peace of conscience, because of the exceeding faith which they had in Jesus Christ. (Mosiah 4:3). Not only did the Spirit fall upon them before any ordinances had been applied (including Baptism)but they also receive the remission of their sins. Also several more.

    he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5 NIV)

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    @raybies
    "The cross is but a piece of the Atonement of Christ. Fixating upon it places Christ in a constant death-thraul that apostate religions have used to bludgeon believers with fear, guilt and shame for ages."

    Apostate religions? Gee, I hope you don't mind other churches attacking the LDS church, lest you be a hypocrite.

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    Jan. 27, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Sharrona,

    One of the supernal revelations in the Book of Mormon is that Christ had NEED to be baptised. 2 Nephi 31:5. We have an even greater need. The Book of Mormon further teaches that the reason little children have no need for baptism is because they have no need for repentance and because they are alive in Christ (Moroni 8:11, 20, 22-23). So if you and I want to go where Christ and all little children who die go we must live as the scriptures teach: we must repent and be baptized, and humble [our] selves as little children, and they shall all be saved with little children. (Moroni 8:10). The spirit can and does fall upon people prior to baptism but baptism is the gate to the highest blessings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is what Christ himself teaches in the Book of Mormon. BTW, what makes you think the people that King Benjamin spoke too were not baptised? Being born again (to enter not merely see) comes by the spirit of God through ordinances!

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    Jan. 27, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    Baptism is not merely a work that I do - baptism is a work that is performed for me. I am baptised by someone else. They lift me up out of the water - surely that symbolises Christ's work? He lifts me up. Even repentance is not a work I do alone. It is only possible because of the atonement. It is a partnership .. or better yet, a relationship. Again, faith is not a purely human work - I can only have faith in Christ because Christ is real and I know him. So I see grace interlaced into all the works of the gospel - we keep the commandments in the full sense by keeping the spirit. Hence the need to have the GIFT of the Holy Ghost, i.e., the spirit as a constant companion. I will never ever walk the straight and narrow path alone. The existence of the path is proof of grace.