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  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 2:49 a.m.

    Welcome to Utah. We love speed and players from Texas.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 5:40 a.m.

    great news! keep up the great recruiting efforts.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 6:26 a.m.

    SHWEET! The Texas pipeline is still open! This recruiting class is shaping up to be really special. Welcome to Brian and Greg!

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 6:40 a.m.

    I love that the Utes recruit track runners, they should take a leaf out of their own book and reinstate man's track and field as a sport at the university. any football coach worth his weight knows the speed and conditioning training that track offers is well worth the time spent away from the team during spring drills.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 7:10 a.m.

    Speed.

    Enough said.

    The future of football in Utah,

    is utah(see former die hard byu fans turned Utes vainuku(didn't even take a campus visit to byu, chace hansen, zach lindsay, jake murphy.....)

    How many die hard ute families have kids switching to BYU these days?

    Big 12 call yet?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Will be interesting to see how signing day shakes out with the major recruiting coup that was pulled yesterday. Cal's DL coach and notably one of the nation's top recruiters, Tosh Lupoi, accepted a position with the University of Washington, and already Cal recruits are rethinking their commitment status, with 5* DT Ellis McCarthy already decommitting and committing with UCLA. While I'm sure Greg Allen will be nice, it would be huge for us to pick up a commitment from one or more out of Brandon Beaver, Ray Ford and/or Alphonso Marsh.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I agree with StG to SLC. This is a nice recruiting haul, but I think we need to land another big recruit like Beaver or Vatuvei to call this class a resounding success.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    The receiver looks like a solid recruit. The DB is fast but I can't find any information on him. No star rating and no ranking from Scout. Hopefully he is one of the "diamonds in the rough" that Whittingham seems to find occasionally.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    Nice job Utes. Looks like a fine recruiting class is shaping up for you guys.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    TJ:

    The DB currently has zero stars as rated by both Rivals and Scout. I noticed that too. I find it interesting that both Whittingham AND Scalley made a PERSONAL home visit to grab a commitment for a zero-star recruit. Was it just because he runs a 4.3 forty? Or is he indeed a diamond in the rough?

    Many apologists will say, just because he has zero stars, that doesn't make him a zero-star recruit, but rather that he just hasn't been rated yet. I say not so. If he hasn't been rated by now, I find it highly unlikely he'll be awarded anything more than 2. Still, seeing as how both coaches went through all that effort just to land him, I'm hopeful that he's better than the ratings services are reporting.

    GO UTES!!!

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    @Naval Vet
    It may be that Whiittingham and Scalley went along with that old practice and philosophy of taking, "the best athlete available. "
    I'm sure they see some very positive qualities that others may have over looked.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    Naval Vet, I said it yesterday and I stick by it: "zero stars" really doesn't mean anything, regardless of whether it's a BYU recruit or Utah recruit. It's usually just because they didn't play enough in their sophomore and junior years and/or go to any notable summer recruiting camps. This usually does translate to a lesser rating because of the experience factor and generally the flat out good recruits have played and been recognized for a while, but it's not the end all, be all of recruiting. The fact that he made enough of an impression this year that Whit and Weis both wanted to have him is a pretty good sign, though.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    "Diamond in the rough," or just "under the radar?" Some kids seem to slide under the radar. Given the strength of this recruiting class, I don't think there is much room for diamonds in the rough this late in the process. Just my thought.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    Greg Allen, who has yet to be rated with any stars) is one of those late developing players who didn't have a lot of eye-popping moments until his senior season.
    However, that senior season earned him 5A district player of the year in TEXAS.
    He has an offer from Kansas and was supposedly gaining recruiting momentum with Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M.
    He's built, and hits, like a safety but has excellent speed and will most likely play corner at Utah.
    Perfect!
    I won't be at all surprised if we all look back at this one and wonder why the big name schools weren't all over him.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    I find it ironic that when athletes with no or low stars commit to the U, U describe them as diamonds in the rough. But when similar athletes commit to the Y, it's because we're Indy, or our schedule, or the honor code, or whatever else U want to decide to throw out there.

    The truth is, Coaches are much better at evaluating talent than recruiting services. The list is endless of no or low star rated players who have made a major impact (Collie, Pitta, Hoffman) and 4 and 5 star players who are a bust. The Allen's must have something that Whit thought would benefit the team. Good luck.

    Chris B - I've already responded with several names to the question you asked above. How many more times are you going to ask the same question, and how many times do I need to respond? The fact is we've both gotten some good recruits that the other team really wanted.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Here is one reporters take on Allen after a major camp...
    " After eye-popping 40 (yard) times of 4.40 at the Texas camp and a 4.33 laser time by a training facility, the Alief Taylor coaches talked highly of defensive back Greg Allen. The 6-foot-1, 205-pound Allen is built like a safety, but moves and is being recruited to play corner back. Though he is still seeking his first offer, Allen is being recruited by Baylor, Kansas, Nebraska and Texas A&M."
    Welcome Greg, it's good to be a Ute !

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    CougFaninTX -

    I agree with you to some degree in regard to the flip-flopping that goes on between Utah and BYU fans on the topic of star ratings - yes I included BYU fans to your assessment. However, I'd add that every situation is different which makes room for a little flip-flopping.
    Some schollys make absolutely no sense based on anything the general public understands.
    Some, such as this Greg Allen kid, do make SOME sense based on info, stats and awards which suggest he could be a guy who came on late and/or was overlooked.
    There are certainly times I've wondered what BYU or Utah coaches were thinking. But as you said, these decisions can often be looked back at as very sound, showing that the coaches know what they're doing.
    Lastly, give credit where credit is due ... Naval Vet - U fan - gave an honest opinion yesterday about a BYU recruit with no stars (yet). It wasn't popular with Coug fans. Yet in this thread he holds true by saying he's not convinced this Utah recruit will be all that great. I respect that he held true to his opinion regardless of team.
    Now Chris B's comment ...

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    What would a Utah article be if we didn't hear from that good old cougar in Texas. The recruiting, PAC-12 isn't it fun. I know they need to sign but the verbals we are getting, WOW.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    Messing with Texas,

    "I find it ironic that when athletes with no or low stars commit to the U, U describe them as diamonds in the rough. But when similar athletes commit to the Y, it's...."

    You don't think BYU fans do the same thing? The argument might be different, but Y fans do the same thing. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

    "Chris B - I've already responded with several names to the question you asked above. How many more times are you going to ask the same question, and how many times do I need to respond?...."

    It's painfully obvious that Chris B. is a BYU fan masquerading as a Utah fan. When will you figure it out? Most others did a long time ago. Why do you continue to give her your attention?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    It's great that we're continuing to recruit in Texas and that we've found these kids. Without knowing much about the players, it's good to know that they're likely playing against good competition in Texas. It does not seem like these are top shelf guys, though - not being recruited heavily by many other teams, nothing extraordinary about them other than speed.

    Let's hope they can play. This isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but the Raiders DRAFT speed every year and it doesn't always make a difference on the field. We have to trust that the coaches have more information and can evaluate talent. I believe they can.

    Like I said earlier, I still feel like we are a few good signings away from calling this recruiting class a great one. The good news is that there are still a lot of potential signings that could go Utah's way. Let's hope it does.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 17, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "I find it ironic that when athletes with no or low stars commit to the U, U describe them as diamonds in the rough."

    TJ is the poster who brought up the "diamonds in the rough" analogy. TJ is a cougar fan. I find it ironic that cougar fans try so desperately to pin their own shortcomings on Utah fans.

    I also find it ironic that when early last fall, when Rivals first put out their Team Recruiting Rankings, and the cougars were ranked #28, while Utah wasn't even in the Top-50, cougar fans would prematurely taunt the Utes [typical], and boast of their superior "exposure", their "ESPN deal", how much better their recruits are, and how much higher rated their 2012 recruiting class was setting up to be...

    ...but once the cougars fall out of the Top-50 altogether, whereas the Utes -- via their FIVE 4-star headlining recruits -- rank among the Top-30, now all of a sudden cougar fans say how the star rating system is flawed and irrelevant.

    Don't you find that ironic too CougFaninTX?

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Jan. 17, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Spin it anyway you wish to...Utes is doing well this recruiting year, ranked 30th in rivals site.

    The impact of being in Pac-12 is no doubt help Utes.

    Third best indy in the nation status has not help Cougars much--to be seen how
    this will affect them in the long run.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    @ CougFaninTX | 10:17 a.m. Jan. 17, 2012
    Frisco, TX

    "The fact is we've both gotten some good recruits that the other team really wanted."

    I disagree. According to Bronco, he has NEVER lost a player to the University of Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    2 Texas players commit to Utes (Monday, Jan. 16, 2012 11:56 p.m. MST)

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    D-News,

    So 12 seconds ago.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Jan. 17, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    Ask either Kyle Whittingham and he'll tell you that stars don't mean a thing. this year Scout rates Sione Tupouata a 4 star and Rivals has him at 3 and Chase Hansen gets 4 Stars from Rivals and only 3 at Scout. Go figure. When James Aiono came out of high school he was rated only 2 stars and after J/C he jumped to 5. Star Lotulelei was 1st Team Pac-12 and won the Morris trophy as the top defensive lineman and only had 3 stars. Brandon Burton, Caleb Schlauderaff,Stevenson Sylvester, Zane Beadles and Paul Kruger were all given 2 stars by the experts and they all were selected in the NFL draft.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 17, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    Frankly, I'd rather have a 1- or 2-star recruit who arrives on campus with a chip on his shoulder and works his butt off to prove he's something, than a 4- or 5-star recruit who shows up with a serious case of entitlement and never puts in the work necessary to live up to the hype.

    Having players with stars next their names is meaningless.

    Having players who are stars on the field is what it's all about.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Perhaps "Keep Smiling" or "Hedgehog, dedicated Ute fans, can explain the 'zero' stars thing.

    As I was saying the other day, stars mean very little or they mean alot. Always an unknown until they really start practicing with the big boys. Case in point Shreeve and Thretton and of course, Jake Heaps to appease the Ute fan.

    Wonder why the schools in Texas passed on these guys?

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    at Skywalker:

    Check out the top teams in the country, they don't have 1 and 2 star players. They recruit 3-5 star players.

    By the way, Andrew Luck of Stanford is pretty good as well as a humble guy and he was ot a 1 or 2 star. I would think you would know that living in Palo Alto.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    This is all good news for the Utes. This recruiting class is shaping up as one of the top classes yet. I will still be a little anxious until the letters are actually signed, but so far it seems promising.

    Kyle is a coach known for getting the most out of his players and the better the athlete, the more he gets. Honestly I don't put too much stock in a players ranking but I do know most of the good high school players do and when they see Utah climbing the ranks then maybe a few give the Utes a second look.

    Utah has some good momentum going into next season and I can't wait for our second year in the PAC12! It only gets better for the Utes next year and years to come. All of our games will be on TV - on a national level and the money from all of it will start coming in as well.

    Anyone that would argue otherwise, is in denial.

    Go Utes!

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    The Truth

    Just FYI Luck was a 4 star recruit.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Jan. 18, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    Uteology,

    Great post!