Except their coach is satisfied with losing--as long as they try hard.
SSmith -Imagine when they "try hard" and add some talented
players!The future is brighter and coming faster than Cougs like yourself
had planned on.Enjoy taking those jabs while you can.
motorbike#27 BYU#95 WSU#127 USU#239 SUU#262
UVU#292 UtahIt's nice that the Utes are trying hard, butwhen the worst team in the state of Utah only loses by three points on
the road to the best team in the PAC 12, what does that tell you about the
strength of the PAC 12?
phoenix -"when the worst team in the state of Utah only loses
by three points on the road to the best team in the PAC 12, what does that tell
you about the strength of the PAC 12?"_____________Do you
know where the WCC is rated?Let me help you, it's below the Pac 12 ... and
it always will be.
phoenix, very convenient that you didn't list the actual best team in the
PAC-12, because they're ahead of BYU.
re: motorbike"Do you know where the WCC is rated?Let me help
you, it's below the Pac 12 ... and it always will be."What is
the WCC record against PAC12 teams this year? Hint: WCC is leading.Take
out Portland, and WCC has almost double the number of wins against PAC12 teams
as loses.I admit, the PAC12 does not have any team as bad as
Portland. But, I also believe the PAC12 does not have a single team that is
better than St Marys, Zags or Cougs.Let me tweak your quote a
little. Do you know where the Utes are rated?Let me help you, it's
below the Cougs ... and it always will be.Cougs have 9 talented
Freshmen plus a pipeline that includes Haws (2X), Collinsworth (2X), Emery,
Chatman, Harward, Nielsen, and a shot at Jabari Parker (yes, it's a long shot,
but we're still among the schools he's considering).Utes don't have
much this year and has a pipeline that includes Loveridge. I don't see the
other talented players you are referring to. Sure, they may be more talented
than what you have, but they are not Carlino, Harrison, Austin, Haws, Emery type
CFIT, I really have no beef with BYU basketball, and especially have a lot of
respect for Dave Rose, and most of your posts are pretty fair and in good taste,
so I have no problem with you. But it gets under my skin a little bit when fans
claim this vast superiority in talent. On a national level, if someone heard
almost any of those players you named, the resounding response would be...
"Who?"I think the reason Coug fans feel happy about this
is because it's consistent with the teams they've had recently, and there's no
shame in that, you've had a good program as of late. But I would say the reason
they're successful is because of how they're used and because of a well-coached
team. I would give Utah the same opportunity to put together some teams in their
new system before proclaiming them as eternally inferior.And some of
the other talented upcoming players Utah has are Aaron Dotson (LSU transfer),
Justin Seymour (6'3" SG from Georgia) and Dallin Bachynski (SUU transfer
recently returned from mission).
motorbikelet me help you with a little perspectivethe
top teams in a conference, define the conference, on a national levelnobody cares about the bottom dwellersSagarin/Pomeroy Rankings#12/#14 Saint Mary's#21/#24 Gonzaga#24/#21 California#27/#19 BYU#46/#49 Stanford#58/#46 Arizona#292/#312
UtahUtah playing Stanford close, DROPPED the Cardinal out of the Top
40, leaving California as the only PAC 12 team ranked in the Top 40. That's how
bad Utah is.Where your conference is rated is far less important
than where U are rated, at least for teams that don't have to live on reflected
Three close games in a row. I can't wait for next week's home games too.I think they try too hard though. They play well until they have to make
the play, then they choke.
I for one like that Utah on occasions shows signs of coming out of its biggest
slump in its history. For the record, the Pac-12 is 9th and the WCC is 10th on
Sagarin's rankings.Sagarin rankings for the Pac-12 and WCC:23California46Stanford58Arizona81Oregon State85Oregon86Washington87Colorado95UCLA128Washington
State165Southern California203Arizona State291Utah13Saint Mary's-Cal.22Gonzaga26BYU162Loyola Marymount179San Francisco235Santa Clara239Pepperdine258Portland264San DiegoPac-12 and WCC are currently 7-7 against each other.
re: StGtoSLCFair enough. I don't see Utes being eternally inferior. I
was only trying to use motorbike's quote to make a point. motorbike comments
like the Utes will be back in contention next year and the WCC is a junior
college league. There's not much difference between the PAC and WCC. I believe
the WCC is better at the top end, and the PAC is probably better with the middle
of the conference teams.Rebuilding a program from where Utah has
fallen to takes time, and I do wish U well.
Poor little bro's on the hill, when things get bad for their team they will
still make that infamous statement about the PAC 12, "Well our conference
is better than your conference".U are not in a better
conference, and u are a terrible bball team. This year and for the foreseeable
future. U do not have a storied program (except for a couple of years under
sweater man, which does not make a "storied" program), and you have
turned yourself into One Sport University to get into the conference of
chumps.Good luck OSU and enjoy your hibernation.
@motorbike: 9:46 p.m. 13 January"When the worst team in Utah
loses to the worst team in the Pac-12 by only 3 points what does that say about
the strength of the Pac 12?"...love your sense of humor. You
will need it to survive not only Utah's bb season this year but also the entire
Pac's. Your "do you know where the WCC is rated..." response to
phoenix was a classic. So dude... here... let me really help you. Try reading
Yahoo's Mike Huguenin's article "All About the Pac 12: Avert your eyes;
This is ugly.
This isn't the first time Utah has been in a prolonged slump and BYU has clearly
been the dominant team. From 1982 to 1990, Utah was only slightly better than
they've been since 2006. The main reason for the wider gap between the two
programs this time -- BYU is much better.1982-1990Team,
Overall, ConferenceBYU 167-107(61%), 95-49(66%), 4 20-win, 1 losing, 3
conference championshipsUtah 143-131(52%), 74-70(51%), 1 20-win, 4 losing,
2 conference championships2006-2012Team, Overall,
ConferenceBYU 173-49(78%), 81-19(81%), 7 20-win, 0 losing, *4 conference
championshipsUtah 99-106(48%), 45-55(45%), 1 20-win, 5 losing, *1
conference championship*not counting 2012Utah will
probably improve to being a decent team in two or three years, but unless Krysto
turns out to be the second coming of Majerus, I don't see Utah surpassing BYU as
long as Dave Rose is at BYU.
Ute basketball... A PAC 10.2 Coat Tail Story And the Ute fan said,
"Yeah, we stink ... but we are part of this great conference and it's
ranked higher that the WCC"Deflection, denial, and demise.
Focusing on the past is irrelevant unless you're witting a history book.If I were a coach I would not tell my team: "Hey, we were good 10
years ago so that means we are good now"Nor would I say,
"Hey, we have some good recruits coming in next year, so don't worry."
I would focus on here and now. Teaching fundamentals, coaching to
the strengths of what I have. I believe there is more talent on the U team than
has been brought out. My point: I get frustrated with a coach who has not
brought a team together yet and who sends the message that as long as you try
hard we are all good. He should expect more and not be satisfied
with what he is getting. Because he, I (I'm a Ute fan) believe we should not be
satisfied with Coach K. Why go through three more years of the two previous
mistakes.Clean house starting with Hill and Coach K. Do it right,
now and completely.
@sammyg, cougfanintx, phoenixWhen Coach K took over, Boylen had left
the program in shambles. And competing in D-1 you don't have time to start from
scratch the way Utah has had to do. That being said, the Utes have made huge
strides. After the first few games, it didn't look like Utah would even win the
4 games that they have thus far. Utah continues to improve. It will take us a
while to get back to our glory days of the 90'S, but that day will come.Meanwhile, we will never have to worry about going 1-25 like your team
@GoRed 9:52 a.m. Jan 14 2012...hmmm...let's try this twist... shall
we???When Steve Cleveland took over due to the firing of BYU's
winningest men's basketball coach, Roger Reed, the BYU basketball program was
sent into one of College Basketball's most devestating tailspins... that totally
and quickly left the program in a shambles... all because some sports hack at
the Provo Daily Herald made a mountain out of a molehill over Reids off the cuff
comment to a highly sought after California H.S. recruit that he was going to
disappoint millions of BYU fans if he selected DUKE over BYU. BYU didn't just
lose a mediocre coach that couldn't put together a winning season. It lost an
icon...the winningest coach in it's history. Several major transfers
occurred...the results of which eventually brought BYU's program to it's lowest
point ever... in which a 1-25 season resulted. In D-1, not only did BYU not
have the time to start over from scratch they had to scramble to even put a team
together.That being said...BYU has made huge strides. It took us a while
to get back to our glory days. Enough Said!!!
GoRed"Meanwhile, we will never have to worry about going 1-25
like your team did."BYU was back to 20+ winning seasons within
three years of 1997, unlike Utah, which has been spinning its wheels since
Majerus left.BYU1997 1-251998 9-211999 12-162000 22-112001 24-92002 18-122003 23-92004 21-92005 9-212006 20-92007 25-92008 27-82009 25-82010 30-62011 32-52012 14-4Utah2006 14-152007 11-192008 18-152009 24-102010 14-172011 13-182012 4-12
Unlike Utah losing to Adams State, BYU didn't lose to any DII teams in 1997BYU 1997CS FullertonWashingtonPacificWeber
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Oh... and about that H.S. recruit that was going to set the world on fire by
helping Duke win National Championships...He ended riding the pine and
transferring to another program out West...where he didn't do much as far as
winning his new teammates a National title either. So... @GoRed...care to take
a stab at where he wound up at???
@ goRedWe may have gone 1-25, but we did not stay low for long like
u have. We bounced back and have beat u on a regular basis and will for the
foreseeable future. Like I have said in the past, u have traded everything u
have to enter a "BCS" conference and are now officially one sport
university. u are nowhere close to competing in anything else. u will have a
hard time recruiting real talent to compete and will fade into oblivion.u can spin it anyway you want, but the last year proved it and the
following years will prove me right. Keep deflecting back many years ago to the
1-25 season, but remember....we bounced back. How long has it been since you
enjoyed a good season? And how many years will it be before you are
Lil Eddie, if wishes were fishes then your dream of Ute demise might happen; too
bad for you little brother Utah obsessed Y fans they are not. Enjoy your glory
days in B-ball as even with Jimmer your team only made it to the sweet sixteen.
In fact BYU still owns the record in futility of most NCAA Tourney appearances
without ever getting to a final four ( and only once to the round of eight). So
please save me your boasting until your team actually does something of note.
@ Eddie"U do not have a storied program (except for a couple of years
under sweater man, which does not make a "storied" program)" I guess that is why in 2008 when NBC Sports listed their top 25
"Greatest Basketball Programs of all Time," they ranked Utah #12.ESPN/Sagarin Ranks Utah #19 in All-time Rankings. Utah makes the top 40
list in all decades since 1940 except the 80's and 2000's (obviously). It also must be why the Seattle Times in 2010 said "Utah would
bring a storied basketball program to the Pac. At the end of the
2010-2011 season Utah was 11th winningest program in NCAA history, had made 27
NCAA tournament appearances with a winning percentage of .538, had 5 conference
tournament championships, 29 regular season titles, and finished 21 seasons
ranked in the top 25. Recent success or failure does not define a
storied program. For more information on this claim and the definition of a
storied program, see comments on football articles.
then, in 2008... NBC Sports listed Utah #12 in their top 25 "Greatest
Basketball Programs of all Time,"...now, in 2012, Utes now hope
to compete to win...
FYIUtah does have a rich tradition in basketball, but "storied
programs" sometimes fade and never return to their glory days.
@FYI...you are absolutely right. Recent success or failure does not define a
storied program. Nor in Utah's as well as BYU's case has it ever produced a
National Title for either Basketball program. An thanks btw... for opening up
the door. I'm taking your advice and deferring to football articles...BYU
actually has a Football National Championship and a Heisman...You can actually
read about them. Now I suppose... we're going back to Fantasy Island where we
are going to hear about Utah's 1944 fairytale...and how Army didn't win a
National Championship that year. Wouldn't be surprised if Pebbles starts
throwing rocks again...he loves a good Fary tale. But seriously...maybe Utah
should again start arranging a few side pickup games just to sort of even out
that W-L column. Bet you could get some good odds out at Wendover like the Utes
must have had in 44 over the Wendover Army Air Corps Bombers. So what if they
only have a H.S. team out there!!!
Being a 23.5 point underdog is big hill to climb. Give it a go.
You've got to luv it. All you hypocritical Y fans who on one hand will always
bring up 1984 which is now 28 years past but if Utah brings up past basketball
history (which by the way is much shorter than 27 years) you Y fans start
talking about ancient history. TYPICAL
@raisedaute wow someone else with and ounce of wisdom on how hypocritical these
delusional y fans are. its hilarious that just cause THEY say utah doesnt have a
national championship thats its true lol. but if you actually just type in
goodle "1944 ncaa national basketball champs" and UTAH is the ONLY
team that comes up anywhere. haha but i guess if they say it enough then utah
wasnt nat champs even tho facts say they were lol. typical y fans.
Eddie: "How long has it been since you enjoyed a good season?"A couple years? Winning conference in 2009 wasn't too bad, even though
2006-2008 were. I like how some act like it has and will always be the way this
season has been. I guess you gotta get your money's worth if you're gonna kick a
guy while he's down.
Sportsfanforlife Hilarious... Try the real source of the National Championship
for 1944... HELMS...It says undefeated ARMY as 1944 National Champions...Neither
the NIT Champs, St John's or the NCAA champs Utah by default via Arkansas, were
awarded the actual recognized National Championship. Thus you and your
farytale. Utah only played and won 3 authentic games in regular season.
Everything else were pickups. Utah got in the NCAA tournament because they were
ousted early in the first round of the NIT and were only allowed in the NCAA
because they needed a replacement team to avoid cancelling. It was because of a
car accident that killed an assistant Arkansas coach and seriously injured two
of it's five players. It reaslly takes a lot of imagination to impose and
elevate a fluke of chance as being something more than what it actually was.
That being a great Human Interest story. Nope Army was the 1944 National
Champions bar none.
@phoenix "when the worst team in the state of Utah only loses by three
points on the road to the best team in the PAC 12, what does that tell you about
the strength of the PAC 12?" hmm how quickly you cougar fans
forget. st marys (your supposed best in the weak wcc) only beats san diego (the
worst in the wcc) by THREE points on the road what does that say abiut your
terrible conference? and i guarantee utah is better than san diego they are
awful. @eddie "U are not in a better conference, and u are a
terrible bball team. This year and for the foreseeable future. U do not have a
storied program (except for a couple of years under sweater man, which does not
make a "storied" program), and you have turned yourself into One Sport
University to get into the conference of chumps."really they're not
in a better conference but they are ranked higher than yours?? isnt that the
same argument you delusinonal y fans used in football for your top 25 ranking?
hahahaha wo hypocritical y fans much? get a clue eddie.
@eddie when anyone in your conference gets as many championships as ANYBODY in
the pac 12 then you can run your mouth.. until then just stop makin yourself
look foolish just like every other y fan
"hmm how quickly you cougar fans forget. st marys (your supposed best in
the weak wcc) only beats san diego (the worst in the wcc) by THREE points on the
road what does that say abiut your terrible conference?"Before
spouting desperate, erroneous spin, you should check the facts:Sagarin/Pomeroy#13/#15 Saint Mary's beat #264/#260 San Diego ON
THE ROAD, by SIX, 78-72#46/#50 Stanford beat #291/#312 Utah AT HOME,
by THREE, 68-65Just one of the reasons Saint Mary's is a Top 15 team
and Stanford isn't even in the Top 40.Top of the WCC > Top of the
PAC 12It's not even close.
sportfanforlife"when anyone in your conference gets as many
championships as ANYBODY in the pac 12 then you can run your mouth"San Francisco - back to back NCAA AND National Championships 1955 and
1956Utah, along with ASU, Col, Wash, Ore, and OSU all have ZERO national
championshipsFeel free to run your mouth all you want to Eddie.
Here come the uties again with "my conference is better than your
conference". Have you noticed once it turns to who is the best team, they
will immediately turn to "their conference"? It is almost like they
are calling on their fellow conference chumps to come to their aid. So, so, so
little brother like.As far as some "pac 12 newspaper"
saying that the u will bring their storied program to them, that is laughable.
So when are you going to bring it? Is this the "storied" program u are
talking about? LOL. I think the only reason they said that was so that when
they beat you down, they can then say, "Look at us, we beat a storied
program".What a joke. Even the pac 12 is living in the past,
trying to convince themselves that the whole conference is what it used to be.
@mussinaroundThere is no way someone has that much time to figure
that one out. What and the heck are you trying to say. As long as the Utes are
having a hard time you all will be obsessed to let everyone know. All I can say
is way to keep it under 200.
raisedaute | 11:35 a.m. Jan. 14, 2012 Cottonwood Heights, UT You've
got to luv it. All you hypocritical Y fans who on one hand will always bring up
1984 which is now 28 years past but if Utah brings up past basketball history
(which by the way is much shorter than 27 years) you Y fans start talking about
ancient history. TYPICAL ---Actually you've got it backwards. U fans
get on Y fans for bringing up the 1984 and 1996 football seasons because they
are in the past, but U fans will be the first to bring up the Cougars 1996
MHL "but if Utah brings up past basketball history (which by
the way is much shorter than 27 years) you Y fans start talking about ancient
history."MUCH SHORTER?Utah fans have absolutely NO
PROBLEM bringing up 1944 like it was yesterday, even though that was so ancient
the NCAA champion wasn't even recognized as the national champion.Doing the math, 1944 was FORTY years before 1984!Utah fans have
this weird time-space continuum where nothing before 2004 counts in football,
but nothing after 2004 counts in basketball.
"Utes now hope to compete to win vs. Cal"If losing by 36,
only scoring 45, and only dishing out 6 assists is Utah's idea of competing, the
Utes better hope a little harder.