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BYU football ranked 25th in final USA Today Top 25 Poll

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  • Independence Is Bliss San Jose, CA
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:05 a.m.

    Another year in which BYU finishes the season ranked and Utah doesn't even get a vote. Nothing new - it's happened 12 times before.

    Current tally:
    BYU: 18 - a final raking has become another day at the office since the Lavell years

    Utah: 6 - five of which were in the last decade, which will forever be known fondly by Ute fans as the "glory years"

    But hey, you won your bowl game in September, so check this season off as a success, right? Isn't that the Ute attitude?

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:47 a.m.

    How is that possible? BYU is not in the PAC12?

  • GoshJarcia SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:51 a.m.

    Congratulations to the 2011 WAC Champions on an incredible season!

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:37 a.m.

    This is why rankings are worthless. It does not account for the strength of schedule. Play a bunch of cupcakes and you get ranked.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:44 a.m.

    Just another example of the respect that BYU has in the nation. A respected and storied program gets the votes they need to put them in the top 25 of all teams. Let's see, we finish in the top 25 of football, we are going to be ranked in basketball, we start off the volleyball season ranked # 1 in the nation, our Rugby team is superior to all, and on and on and on.

    Meanwhile, up on the hill, one sport u finishes with ZERO votes for their one sport, even though the "beat down" their rival. Where or where is the respect. I guess they arn't so "storied" after all.

  • catram North Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:17 a.m.

    Awesome. Great job Cougs!

  • OhioCougar Madison, Ohio
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:51 a.m.

    We may not be #1 but at least our bowl game was fun to watch.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:52 a.m.

    Congratulations to the Cougars for turning in a good season. My utes will be back.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    This has to grind on the little brother up north - hang in there boys.

  • SSmith Washington, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:02 a.m.

    Cougs, don't let the Utes change the subject and get you steamed. They are understandably frustrated with a 4-11 hard court record, knowing that their rivals have a 14-4 record including a 19 point win in the HC. Further, it is known by both sides that the U is not expected to win but maybe 1 or 2 more while the Y is not expected to lose only 1 or 2 more. Their football season ended in disappointment and their bb season just carries the embarrassment on. They will try to deflect with stories of the past, but you keep your eye on the future and you'll be just fine.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:05 a.m.

    Congratulations, Cougars.

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:11 a.m.

    Congrats to the Cougs. Playing only one team Tcu that finished in the top 25.I guess that is one more than 1984

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    It is about time those powerful wins over Idaho and Idaho State are recognized

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    Congratulations Cougars on another Top 25 Finish!

    --------------------------

    GoshJarcia

    Utah couldn't win a WAC championship even when the Utes were in the WAC.

  • Joey K Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    I'm sorry but this ranking is a little suspicious. I wonder how many BYU fans actually believe that BYU is one of the top 25 teams in the country?
    Look at the others receiving votes. Do BYU fans believe that BYU could beat Missouri, Auburn, Washington, Notre Dame, or Penn St on a neutral site? I certainly admire how BYU fought through adversity, but this is a team that required a last second miracle to beat Tulsa, who finished the year with 0 top 25 votes. I know it isn't fair to compare them to the team that lost to Utah 54 to 10, because Riley Nelson certainly brings a spark. But even Riley Nelson lost TCU, the only decent team BYU faced.
    If anything this ranking shows us how flawed the top 25 is. When over 20% of your wins come against teams from Idaho, it diminishes your prowess just a bit.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    Well. we've learned that outside of Ute fans...BYU football is relevant.The college experts and pundits have weighed in. Their not the national champs, but then again...neither is LSU. On Sept 17th BYU heads were handed to them by the Utes, proving that they were better that day. Who wouldn't of been better that day. In fact it's possible with seven turnovers Colorado may have beaten BYU....but that's a topic for another day. Much has been made about SOS, Sagarin ratings. Have you ever wondered why they have these other ratings to gage succes in college football? So when your team dosen't play to expectations you can always fall back and say...oh yeah...we're in the Pac 12 or 10 or whatever it is this week...the conference of Champions...we are utes..hear us roar. It's true the Pac 10 has it's tradition....but Ute fans, as of now the Utes have done anything to add to that tradition. I'll give you Sept 17th...no contest. Just remember this one simple fact. On Sept 17th you won the battle....in the end....you lost the war.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Utah can't use the PAC-12 as an excuse for not being ranked. They flat out blew it against inferior opponents. BYU beat the teams they were suppose to beat, Utah did not.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    This means as much as the fictitious nc. Didn't beat anyone that year and didn't beat anyone this year. Wasn't proved on the field.

  • eelek62 SANDY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    Way to go Cougars!!!

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    Just looking at these few posts it's got the Utes fans dander up. It's tough when you come to understand that the rest of college football dosen't even come close to seeing things the way you see them. Don't take it so hard....I hear there's an article in the DNews on Ute recruiting....why don't you all run to that blog and remind each other that you're in the Pac 12, and all will be well. There's always next year when you can set your eyes on the Cougars again......Just a word of advice....don't forget to play the rest of the season. And one parting shot.........We're no longer your rival.......Gage your sucess by other things other than BYU football. It's been a good year, see you next fall.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    54-10 and 17-14

    Kind of ironic that two road games defined a season for both the Utes and the Buffs.

    And it's equally ironic how two teams with 10-3 records are ranked at the end of their seasons this year and last.

    It would appear that the Cliffdiving Champion from the MWC has moved to the PAC 10.2

    Congrats to BYU for another winning season and USA Top 25 ranking!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    re: rickski13
    "Congrats to the Cougs. Playing only one team Tcu that finished in the top 25.I guess that is one more than 1984"

    How many teams did U play what are ranked in the Top 25? The sames number as BYU - 1. Lucky for U, U played us, otherwise U would have played 0 teams ranked in the Top 25.

    Ccngrats Cougs on an outstanding season!

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Once you get past the top 10 or 15, the differences between teams start to be pretty meaningless. Look at, say, the Sagarin computer ratings. BYU is 34th there, and for teams ranked 27 through 49, including Utah at 39, the expected point spread at a neutral site would be less than a field goal. Utah didn't get any votes in the AP or ESPN popularity contests, but I'm not ready to beat my chest about the Cougars being better than the Utes. Utah won convincingly on the field.

    I expect a spirited game next September at RES without the stupid mistakes.

  • No U Won't Reality, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    @ rickski13

    Maybe you should check how many teams that the might U played that finished in the top 25 before you open your mouth. Check the U's schedule, then check the list and get back with me.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    So BYU finishes ranked, yet all their fans talk about is the Utah football team? hmm....I am starting to think there is no such thing as a BYU "fan". Just a bunch of Ute haters.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    By the way, the only reason BYU is ranked is because USC is ineligible for the USA today poll.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    yeah......., but the red rocks will be ranked in the top 25 and the bball team are hitting their stride.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    I smell national championship...

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    To all the BYU fans bashing Utah I have three comments. First congratulations on the ranking, based on the design of the polls BYU deserved to be #25. Second, if you are happy playing an extremely weak schedule that produces 10 wins and a ranking then so be it. Finally I find it interesting that both Texas and Utah, teams that beat BYU were not ranked yet the Cougs didn't beat a team in the top 40 nationally and were ranked.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    @cougintexas

    How many teams did U play what are ranked in the Top 25? The sames number as BYU - 1. Lucky for U, U played us, otherwise U would have played 0 teams ranked in the Top 25.

    ======

    Well actually we played the 6th ranked USC. USC just wasn't eligible for the USA today rankings, which is also the only reason BYU is in the top 25

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Not impressed with the top 5 poll because LSU already beat Bama at their turf once. Congratudation Cougars for being at 25. Happy New Year.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Max

    Charlotte, NC

    This is why rankings are worthless. It does not account for the strength of schedule. Play a bunch of cupcakes and you get ranked.

    Oh, you must mean Montana State and Colorado State...

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    niners
    17-14 haha

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:56 a.m.

    Howard S

    I smell Pac 10.2 doormats. good luck in Boulder next year. haha

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Two things obvious to this Cougar fan from the posts so far this AM. One, some very gracious Ute postings. Two, the typical BYU arrogance is very quick to surface. While I know that some Utah trolls can be annoying, it never ceases to amaze me how my fellow Cougar fans can get so pithy.

    Nice season Cougars, none the less.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Per usual the red trolls mock the National ranking of BYU and so it goes. I am confident that if the Utes had received a national ranking in this poll it miraculously would become relevant and validating.

    Yes, the BCS is completely flawed and does not settle anything, but unfortunately it is in place and it is backed corporately with humongous dollars.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    Wait...Wait...Wait,

    Only 2 of the Mighty Fabulous Sensational Pac12 made it into the top twenty five...shouldn't that close win over Mighty Montana State and that very close loss to Colorado pole vault Utah into the top ten, if not, at least the top 25 or surely at least a single vote.

    What a great recruiting cry..."Hey, We played also and we can be seen on KJAZZ, we soon will be receiving millions...look what that kind of money did for Washington State...err, I mean...Arizona, err I mean...Oregon State...err, well the money will be nice".

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Rankings are a joke. Love my Cougs, but... 25th? No way. As for the Ute whiners who say we played cupcakes, it's true, but we beat ours and the Utes lost to Colorado. In the end it doesn't matter except to indicate that BYU has a higher nationally perceived image than Utah and that is because of... exposure. Thank you ESPN.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    @veracity

    Look at the AP rankings. The Pac 12 has 3 teams in the top 10 buddy.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Hmmm, I can't find the word "utah" anywhere in this story.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    CO Ute
    ". . . the Cougs didn't beat a team in the top 40 nationally and were ranked."

    Do you mind telling me where Tulsa was ranked? It's where U finish that matters, not how good U were on one game on Sept. 17.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    niners

    SAINT GEORGE, UT

    @veracity

    Look at the AP rankings. The Pac 12 has 3 teams in the top 10 buddy.

    Well the NCAA did not include USC in anything and I didn't either...

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    WOW, really? This is amazing. Congratulations are in order for Tom Holmoe for finding the competition for BYU to put together a schedule, and then to the entire BYU squad, for putting together wins. But how about that television exposure of ESPN and BYUTV? That had to play huge in this ranking. Can you imagine how high we would have finished in other seasons when we had little exposure, but even better teams, if we had received this kind of exposure then? But my hat goes off to Riley Nelson too for playing his heart out and inspiring his team. Go Cougs.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Wait a minute... Alabama beat LSU??? I thought once LSU beat Alabama, that subject was settled for the rest of the season. I mean, once you've lost to somebody, you can never be better than them can you?

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Rockon isn't it actually more because of sustained over three decades consistency? ESPN does have something to do with all the exposure, but it is far more than just this past season... Thank goodness this obnoxious season is over. Thanks for pointing us to the AP poll niners... Yes, the Whacky 12 has 3 in the top 10... It is fitting inasmuch as there are only and have only ever been three teams worth squat in that conference. Nothing will change with the addition of Utah and Colorado unless the Buffaloes coach of the championship team comes back and has the same success he had back then. The AP poll also shows that even though Texas beat BYU they finished ranked lower by 36 votes. While we are on it the SEC has 4 in the top ten and has several hundred percent more BCS championships than the Whacky 12 does or ever will. What is even more impressive is that 3 years running the title has been in Alabama. Bring on next season!

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    I would have thought that with Utah's success the past 10 years, and winning a bowl game on a Saturday in front of many more tv viewers, the voters would have respected Utah, a team from the mighty Pac 12 conference, a lot more. I'm surprised that they would vote a lowly independent higher. Even more surprised that Utah did not get even one vote in either the AP or USA Today polls. Wow, who'd have thunk this in September? or even in late November when the Utes were playing for a chance to go to the Pac 12 championship game? And BYU was playing for nothing in November. You have just got to discount these polls - afterall the voters are clearly biased against Utah. They are probably all Mormons.

    Facts are facts and you have to live with them. And the whole season counts.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    When you lay an egg against Colorado you kind of blow your entire season.......it would be like BYU losing to Utah in basketball

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    10-3 and a #25 ranking. Seems like a satisfying season.
    Was it so satisfying that Cougar fans would repeat this season every year?

    True fans would say "No"
    They didn't like losing to their rival. They didn't like 2 bye weeks in November. They didn't like playing easy schools late in the year.

    Troll fans sould say "Yes"
    They'd lobby Tom Holmoe to drop tough teams like Texas, Utah, & TCU, in favor of replacements like Nevada and Fresno State.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I just want to make sure that since rankings are all fiction that any and all rankings by the Utes over the last several years are also seen as fiction- if this one is then those are as well.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    congrats cougs on a strong finish.

  • eswiny sandy, ut
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    A team that waited till their bowl game to beat an opponent with a winning record!

    54-10

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    This really pleases me. It is a good day to be a BYU fan.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    Are you on here pounding your chest about winning agaisnt WAC teams? That's losing in my book.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Where is the AP #6 USC? Oh, thats right they are ineligible?

    Congrats, but you guys were arguing that the only reason Utah wins the South is because USC was ineligible. So the only reason BYU gets ranked is because USC was ineligible.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Here's a shout out to USC! The AP poll allows them to get votes, which left BYU at #26. The coaches poll excludes USC due to their NCAA violations, allowing BYU to crack the top 25. Thank you Trojans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    FACT Utah beat ONE final top 25 team this year.

    FACT BYU has only beat TWO final top 25 teams since 1996.

    Conclusion...

    Utah had a mediocre year.

    BYU has had a mediocre decade.

  • DaveinSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Haha!! Hilarious. I'm a big BYU fan, but Utah handed us our hat and should be ranked higher than us...

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Most rational Cougar fans like me believe that for the SEASON, BYU was not a Top 25 team. However, BYU with Nelson showed a ton of improvement on offense. Some of it was against patsies, but they finally showed they could move the ball vs. the TCU defense (despite the loss to them, a highly ranked team), they won big over Hawaii in the islands (which they had problems doing in past years) and beat Tulsa. The human polls are not like computer rankings, where BYU seems to hover around #40 given their early season failures. Humans voters give much more weight to the end of the year, and I think it is right to have BYU right near the top 25-30 mark.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    ...because USC wasn't eligible.

    Oh wait did coug fans all suddenly decide to stop beating that drum? Gotcha.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Seems to me just yesterday that the TUN was always whining that even though they had a splashier win-loss record than BCS teams, they weren't given their due nationally. Now all we hear from these same fans is bashing BYU for winning against lesser teams. Which is it? The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

    It is good to be a Coug. Schedules will get tougher, and the Football team will need to step it up in the coming years. But if they do, there will be no more barking from fans of wannabe regional schools about relevance or strength of schedule in whichever of the one sport they are able to put together in that particular year. National schools can be relevant in more than one sport at a time.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    I'm willing to admit that the top 25 finish is suspect this year. The main reason to cheer is it how much it bugs the trolls.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Well, I have to smile a bit.

    BYU football is clearly not one of the top 25 teams in the country this year -- but they did play a couple of good games and were able to come back and beat several decent teams.

    I enjoyed going to Ole Miss to watch them play, and thought the Tulsa game was worth watching. The comeback against USU was clearly the high point and completely changed BYU's season!

    Good luck to the Cougars! I hope Riley Nelson survives the inevitable head hunting that he can expect next year. The back-up QB spot should be an important area of focus . . . .just in case.

    I am in agreement that Utah fans have a right to pick on this ranking!

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    As I have said many times in the past the bcs is going bye bye in two. I have changed my mind, the death bells toll. Read the articles, everyone is in agreement, it has to go. The main topic is the elimination of the so called AQ conferences and the pathetic showings. Belonging to one of the aq is going to be a non event. So much said for the idea of "belonging". Independence doesn't seem so bad now. The bcs has too many flaws and now everyone is recognizing the reasons. "Money"

    The polls will always be a part of college football, however, they cannot control the teams because of the bias from one area to another.

    They will come up with some type of playoff using the bowls as a path to a true national champion. Even when one team has an upset of another, there will be opinions and controversy, but it will be better when everyone has a chance to play for the nc.

    Good season BYU and Utah, hopefully both will be better next year.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    "Conclusion...

    Utah had a mediocre year.

    BYU has had a mediocre decade."

    I'm glad you came to that conclusion. Let's see....

    2001-2010
    Utah:
    5 10+ win seasons
    5 Top-25 finishes

    BYU:
    5 10+ win seasons
    5 Top-25 finishes

    I see what you mean. Mediocre decade for BYU = Best decade ever for Utah.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Eddie,

    You will not be ranked in basketball, you are a 3rd place team in the WCC. 10 wins against soft opponents will get you ranked in football. That is how jacked up the rankings in football are. The UTES did it last year beating up the worst of the MWC, and the Y, lost their tough games, and got ranked. It does not mean that you are a great team. You barely got wins against Utah St and Tulsa, neither of which was a good team. They also lost all of their games against better competition during the season. All it means is the Y scheduled cupcakes throughout the year, Ole Miss was one of those, got 10 wins, which is all Bronco cares about, and got ranked. I know all Y fans will take that kind of season, since they love to be ranked, & that is the end all, be all for college football. However, fans of better teams would rather have a better schedule, go undefeated, and make it to a BCS game, or the NC game. Something that will never happen with Roscoe as the coach, & wanting 10 wins against the cupcakes of the ncaa

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Next September, which memory will be stronger in the Cougars mind as they enter Rice Eccles Stadium? A #25 ranking in the AP poll, or the 54-10 beat down?

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Wow. Many of these posts prove that BYU fans are as delusional as ever. It is almost as bad as some articles I read on BR yesterday. It is kind of sad really.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    @niners

    "By the way, the only reason BYU is ranked is because USC is ineligible for the USA today poll."

    By the way, the only reason utah had the opportunity to get into the pac12 championship game, despite a .500 (and later that day sub .500) conference record was because usc was ineligible.

    You see how that works? So in the interest of consistency and non hypocrisy on your part I fully expect that you will never again make any claims about utah "almost making it to the pac12 championship game" in their 1st season since in reality they were 3 games out of being in that game and only could have backed into it because usc wasn't eligible.

    LOL!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Congrats to Bronco and the Cougars for another 10 win top 25 season. Great accomplishment. Yes, no NC this year but I was able to watch the last BYU NC at Thanksgiving on BYUTV. Go Cougars!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Meaningless.

  • Marine Corps Vet Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    As a life long Cougar fan I say this in all humility --- I am embarassed and ashamed for the way too many snarky and classless comments that have been made by, I presume, very young and overly enthusiastic BYU fans. Fact is, when compared to the top ranked teams in the nation BYU was very, very average. My apologies to all Utah fans who have sincerely offered their congratulations to us for what we in all probability do not deserve. Good luck to both programs next year!!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Let's see, Utah trashed BYU, Colorado beat Utah at home, so Colorado should be ranked higher than both? Okay. I'm with you.

    LSU beat 'Bama earlier so obviously they should be ranked higher. What happened last night was just an anomaly.

    Am I getting all this now?

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    To all u fans....

    Why bother commenting on BYU articles?

    Don't you have all the pieces?

    1. "we are in an AQ Conference."
    2. "we get paid a ton of money."
    3. "We have 2 BCS wins."
    4. "we beat you on your home field."

    Oh wait...

    1. AQ is going away, the signs are there. Guess not so important now.
    2. So? can you pay your players? Nope. BYU's done more with less, and now they have even more to do more with. that's what happens when you have your own ESPN deal and a 65k seat stadium.
    3. SO WHAT!? It means nothing, and when the BCS goes away it will be just like BYU's Cotton Bowl win, just another bowl. Terminology changes and the prestige goes away, so will your two wins.
    4. Fine. But you didn't do much the rest of the season. You won the battle, but not the war.

    "But you played WACky teams." "You played nobody."

    Really? That's the best you got. That didn't matter so much to the pollsters.

    I wonder why it means so much to you?

    A little green are we?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    The Utes didn't beat BYU---Jake did. All by himself. Next year, the Utes won't have Jake's help.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    I agree with Ute fans, obviously the DN influenced the USA Today voting. BYU has long been known to secretly control content of the national sports news media. Better look under your bed, Utah fans, one of them could be hiding there.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Rock on, Cougars! Great first year of independence. Can't wait for next season!

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    I am amazed at some of the comments from BYU fans on this article. Finishing in the Top 25 is nice, but I cannot believe how much stock some of you put in to what other people think about you. Anyone who put BYU in the top 25 has obviously not seen them play. Some of you just love sports where you get to prove things to voters rather than on the field. If we go by what other people think, I guess Mormons aren't Christians, and the Nicean Creed must be true, because after all, it was voted on and that's what was decided. I cannot believe that in an article about BYU's Top 25 finish, all yo want to talk about is Utah. I can tell you as a Ute fan I enjoyed this season maybe more than any other. Why? Because every week, you didn't really know who was going to win. BYU's schedule was what Utah left when they left the Mountain West. You play a bunch of JV teams that are "gimme" games and lose to the good teams on your schedule. The 2011 Cougars are no better than the 2010 Utes, very average.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Re: Starfarer

    I don't always comment on these articles, it is mostly pointless. There used to be some playful and good dialog on these articles, but they have digressed into the lowest common denominator screaming about how great they are, but let me address something in your comment.
    "we are in an AQ conference" This may very well go away as you noted, but that is not nearly as important as "we are associated with the teams in the PAC 12". This means that no matter what happens in the college landscape, we will be playing teams like USC, Oregon, Washington, Arizona and UCLA on a yearly basis while (if ramaining independent) BYU will struggle to schedule good teams. It is important regardless of whether or not BYU fans are willing to admit it.

    The rest of your post is basically ridiculous. We have even more to do with our more that is more than more more.

    It does interest me to find out who you do believe is winning the war though?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Whatsinitforme,

    We will have Riley's help as well. I seem to remember him getting slammed to the ground by our great D line, which will only be better next year, then our 3rd string backup linebacker VJ Fehoko picking up the ball & running it for a TD. So it was not all Jake. It was JJ, Riley, your D line for giving up & not tackling Juan Blanco, & your coaching staff. I see much of the same happening next year, just Riley starting in place of the quitter, and not having Reynolds to block for Riley. So it could actually be worse. Maybe 57-6 or something like that with 8 turnovers instead of 7. I guess we will have to wait and see. That is why they play the game. Too bad though after this year the UTES might not get to pummel the Cougs anymore. The Pac 12 decided to sign a deal with the Big 10 to start playing those teams every year.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Congratulations to BYU players, coaches and administrators on a wonderful season capped off by a TOP 25 Ranking.

    Just a couple of questions for fans:

    Could this team have beaten any of the other TOP 25 ranked Cougar teams of past?

    Has there ever been a TOP 25 team whipped by 44 points, by their bitter rival, at home, on national television?

    If not, BYU truely is #1.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    BYU is better than Utah, the polls say so. And we know that the polls are always right.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    "BYU beat the teams they were suppose to beat, Utah did not."

    Dixie Kid:

    Huh?

    You must work for BYU's Office of Circumlocution. Because the real-world logical extension of what you just wrote means that on September 17 the team that lost was supposed to lose, while the team that won--BIG--wasn't supposed to win.

    Typical y fan-spin. But hey, if it helps you sleep at night instead of tossing and turning over the fact that Utah was 1-0 against USA Top 25 teams, while BYU was 0-1.

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    You forgot to add BCS Bowl victories in your comparison/equation. Now that's curious?

    Let me help you little Fella:

    Utah 2

    BYU 0

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    @ Papa Smurf UTE,

    Go back and re-read your post. You start off by saying that I am wrong by saying that our bball team will be ranked, then you go off on some wild goose chase about football. What I take that to mean is that you can only take one thing that is yet to be determined and quickly discount it. I noticed you did not mention anything else I said about our volleyball team or rugby or anything else, just something that "might" happen. Oh poor little brother who lives in a one sport town. It must be tuff now that football is over and you have nothing to cheer for.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    So in other words Utah is the only team in the state to beat (and beat bad) a ranked team! Sweeet!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    Wow. Many of these posts prove that BYU fans are as delusional as ever. It is almost as bad as some articles I read on BR yesterday. It is kind of sad really.

    And how delusional the u fans are because they just have to see the headline of this article and just have to read it and then just have to comment on it again and again and again. I feel so sorry for your one sport u. Nothing better to do during this long cold winter. Keep trying to prop yourselves up by reading how wonderful your big brothers are doing and dream of next football season. Have a nice hibernation.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    Eddie,

    Has any other poster out of the 84 comments so far talked about Volleyball or Rugby? Not a single one. Everyone is talking about football & a few about basketball. That is what this debate is about. We could bring up Ute gymnastics, or the skiing team, or the UTES basketball team that went to the sweet 16 3 years in a row, Elite 8 twice, & NC in 98, and the Y's football NC in 84, but those are all irrelevent to what we are talkign about today, & no one cares about those other tiny little sports. The UTES beat a bad schedule last year to be ranked, as the Y did this year. You said that the Y's basketball team will also soon be ranked, but I highly doubt that the 3rd place team in the WCC will be ranked anytime soon, unless that team wins the rest of their games, & makes it to the big dance. If that happens, great for Y basketball, & they will deserve it. So to your point about respect in the nation for football, I guess the Utes have it as well since they lost big games last year, & were still ranked. Weird

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Eddie, you were one of the first 5 people to comment on this article, & have made a few more comments along the way. I hope hibernation in your moms basement up there in wonderful Syracuse treats you well. Come out again for spring ball, then come out again on August 1st or around then when most fall camps start. We will talk to you then.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    AP/Coaches Final Top Top 25

    1964 Utah UR/14
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1980 BYU 12/11
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1996 BYU 5/5
    2001 BYU 25/24
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
    2010 Utah 23/26
    2011 BYU 25/26

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    @Craig Frantz

    You forgot to add BCS Bowl victories in your comparison/equation. Now that's curious?

    Let me help you little Fella:

    Utah 2

    BYU 0

    --------------------- -----------------

    Also, top 10 rankings between 2000 - 2010:

    Utah 2
    BYU 0

    Top 5 rankings:

    Utah 2
    BYU 0

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar:

    2001-2010
    Utah:
    5 10+ win seasons
    5 Top-25 finishes

    BYU:
    5 10+ win seasons
    5 Top-25 finishes

    I see what you mean. Mediocre decade for BYU = Best decade ever for Utah.

    --------------

    FYI, not all 10+ teams or top-25 rankings are equal.

    The difference, two of those 10+ Ute teams finished undefeated in the top 5. The last time BYU was ranked that high was in 1996 and undefeated was 1984.

    If what Utah did this decade is "mediocre" then why is it that the last time BYU was ranked in the top 10 was in 1996 and undefeated was 1984.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Eddie

    You can go ahead and pretend that any amount of success that your volleyball or rugby teams experience will make up for the way you felt when your football team gave up against the Utes, but we all know better.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    How is this significant? I follow my team because I love my team, not because it gives me a means of putting down somebody else's team. In the moment of competition I want the Cougars to beat the Utes every time. When the Utes play against Colorado, Alabama or anybody else, I pull for the Utes, simply because I am a resident of Utah.

    I always root for a western-based team over an eastern-based team. USC vs. Notre Dame, Boise State vs. Oklahoma, Utah State vs. Auburn, I always hope the western team wins. I also need to disparage Auburn just because Utah State nearly pulled it off. I don't hate Notre Dame or Florida - although there are 118 D-1 teams that I like better. I just enjoy the competition and the game (my son hates it that I stay until the end of a blow-out, but I just want to watch football/basketball - if all I wanted was the final score, I can get that on my phone).

    Complaining because BYU is ranked or belittling Utah's inclusion in the PAC12 is a dog-in-the-manger attitude that I don't agree with.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    Max, Max, Max...the same can be said about u. Play a bunch of cupcakes, go undefeated and you get a bcs bowl invite. To ur credit, u won. Congratulations. Fact is, no one in the country cares any more except u folks in east sl... just like no one cares about BYU's NC except, lets see, most people in happy valley, members of the Church and BYU alumni around the world, and, of course, u fans on this an other blogs who cannot seem to get past it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    @Eddie
    "Meanwhile, up on the hill, one sport u finishes with ZERO votes for their one sport"

    Just because BYU is terrible at gymnastics doesn't mean it stops being a sport. We draw more for gymnastics than most arenas have seats for BYU basketball games.

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Utesology & Utes Fan
    Thanks for the asssist. Utah's 2009 season and Sugar Bowl victory that year far exceeds anything BYU has accomplished in a single season. Utah's 2005 season was on par with BYU's 1984 season, to say the least. Utah certainly played a tougher schedule that year.
    Nothing against BYU, I always pull for BYU and Utah State when they are not playing Utah; but let's keep it in perspective.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    BYU is 34th in the Sagarin rankings, Utah is 39th. The two teams are quite comparable to each other, just as I said they were when Utah was half a dozen spots ahead of BYU a few weeks ago. (Tulsa was ranked higher than Georgia Tech which is why they flipped positions after both won). Both teams had good years and can likely build on them for next year.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    "We have even more to do with our more that is more than more more."

    What?

    I think you mean that u can do more with your more?

    Didn't prove it this year did you? Good luck proving it next year too.

    Read the articles. The only people who are dissing BYU are u fans that can't handle the implosion that has become u football and basketball. The rest of the nation is moving on.

    If you are not just a hater, why are you on this comment board trying to persuade BYU fans that our point of view is not valid?

    It is one thing to be a fan, even a fanatical fan that believes his team can do no wrong (That is a positive.)

    It is another to be a hater where anything the other team does must always be disparaged (That is always a negative.)

    Tell me who was ranked higher? There is your winner.

    As for the future. That is why they play the game.

    But, I wouldn't be pounding my u chest anytime soon.

    Just try getting into the top 25 next year.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Congrats to the Cougars, top 25 is a nice accomplishment and it truly does speak to the credibility of your program.
    Not to detract too much from that honest compliment but I'd still rather finish 8-5 and out of the rankings while having played a schedule I was excited to watch every week outside of one (Montana State).
    But people can bicker back and forth on this and accomplish nothing. Both teams had very nice seasons for different reasons with neither season being incredible.
    BYU played a terrible schedule outside of their top 3 or 4 opponents which were all losses but Tulsa (debatable how good they were).
    Utah lost to a lousy Colorado team and finished with a 4-5 conference record.
    The top 25 is nice ... playing a good schedule is nice.
    I for one want more than finishing a season 25th, even if it means my team drops a couple more games.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    I can't stop laughing. The trolls' hysterical comments are funnier than the Sunday's newspaper comics strips!

    It seems that Captain Ahab's obession with the white whale pales in comparison with that of the Ute trolls for all things BYU.

    Enjoy the off season and remember if you get bored you can catch BYU basketball on ESPN or BYU-TV anywhere in the country.

    Have a great day.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Starfairy,

    If yuo say that the UTES football team is imploding, what does that say for the team that lost to them 54-10? Had they not played a patty cake schedule, would the Y football program be imploding as well in your point of view. You lost to every good team you played. Tulsa and Utah St are average. I am sure the UTES will try to get into the top 25 next year, will it happen, who knows. I do know that BYU will most likely try and fail at beating the upper echelon teams on their schedule. Bronco is great at beating the teams he is supposed to, where as Kyle may lose to those teams ie UNLV and Colorado. The difference is Kyle will win the big games and take his team to greater heights, and Roscoe will be happy with hollow 10 win seasons, firesides the night before games, and his band of bunglers T shirt. Dont get me wrong, firesides are great, but concentrate on football during the season, & leave the other things for Sunday. So if the Utes football program is imploding, so is BYU's

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    Starfarer

    At no time in your 1:30 post did you approach a valid point.

    "Tell me who was ranked higher? There is your winner."

    The winner is the team at the end of the game with more points. Pretty cut and dry winner this year.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    So much for the Fiasco of Independence theory.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    Oops, u must be really good if u can beat a ranked team so decisively. Go uuuuuuuu....! This must rekindle memories of ur bcs bowl games.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    "Tell me who was ranked higher? There is your winner."

    Stargazer:

    Uhh, no.

    The winner was Utah, 54-10. BYU's nice consolation prize is a Top 25 ranking, earned by virtue of sufficient wins against a weak remaining home schedule and USC's ineligbility.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    My August prediction has come true.

    BYU will be ranked and with a bowl win, while Ute fans will be whining.

    Face it, the utes struggled and lost to some cupcakes.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    @Papa Smurf UTe

    Stop beating the "you played cupcakes" drum already.

    Your precious BCS rankings take SOS in consideration. In the final BCS rankings BYU was ranked #32 and Utah was ranked #49; barely ahead of Wyoming. As Captain Jack Sparrow said, "You'll have to square with that."

    BTW: Calling Bronco "Roscoe" is at best comically sophmoric. Please my previous post.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Congratulations to BYU on a fine season. I don't really understand all of the chest bumping and ego inflation going on, but I guess this is how BYU fans react. Hope they don't act like this using the "we told you so! Hahahahahaha" attitude if their religion turns out to be "the one."

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Worf,

    The only cupcake the UTES lost to was Colorado. The other teams we lost to were on winning streaks of their own while the UTES had injuries. The differnce is we figured out how to win with those injuries, while the other teams imploded in the end. Colorado was an ugly loss. Beating a pathetic Ole Miss team and an even worse Tulsa team on the last play of the game doesn't really warrant a top 25 ranking, but like the UTES last year, beating pathetic teams, getting to 10 wins will get you into the top 25. The Y had to have USC being ineligible to crack the top 25 this year. Amazing how things turn around for the little kitty cats. All year we hear from you trolls how the UTES only have a chance at the Pac 12 South title because USC is not eligible, and yet when USC not being eligible to be ranked gets you ranked in the top 25, it's a totally differnt thing, and the Cougs are the best thing since sliced bread. Love the hypocrisy from Worf, Starfairy, Duckhunter, etc. Must be great living in a land of delusion.

  • Aloha99 Draper, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Congrats, Cougars!

    I'm a ute fan, a little surprised that BYU fans are rubbing this in Utah fan's faces. Utah has nothing to be ashamed of. Truth be told, BYU fans shouldn't have Utah on their tongues this season after getting stomped 54-10 at home by them. On a down year. Besides BYU, Utah has several quality wins this year despite the lows, including their Sun bowl win against Georgia Tech.

    What would BYU fans point to as their 2011 quality wins? Tulsa? Their "strong finish" after getting hammered by TCU playing opponents Idaho, New Mexico State, and Hawaii? Beating Tulsa in the BYU bowl? Their ranking is more a statement of consistent mediocrity than their ability to beat quality opponents.

    Utah and BYU football are going to be around for a long time. Can we just get along and share some respect? I really want to root for BYU but a lot of the BYU fans are classless.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold
    &
    JohnInSLC

    You need to get a refund on your education. Let me spell this out for you in simple terms.

    BYU.... is in the top 25 (26 in another poll.)

    Here's the hard part for you.... Was the u higher or lower than BYU in the polls?

    It is an easy question to answer.

    Might take you all day though.

    Spin it however you want, cry all you want, pout all you want, disparage BYU to your little hearts content, won't change things.

    Even though u beat us, u lost in the final standings.

    War, set, match, mic dropped, and I am walking away.

    I don't need to defend national polls to u fans who can't do larger than, or smaller than equations.

    Want to talk basketball?

    Oh... right... sorry.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Utah won on the field and BYU wins off the field. I'll take the win... err..... drubbing ON the field. Thats all that matters to me. Its simple and you can't spin it. 54-10!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold
    &
    JohnInSLC

    You need to get a refund on your education. Let me spell this out for you in simple terms.

    BYU.... is in the top 25 (26 in another poll.)

    Here's the hard part for you.... Was the u higher or lower than BYU in the polls?

    It is an easy question to answer.

    Might take you all day though.

    Spin it however you want, cry all you want, pout all you want, disparage BYU to your little hearts content, won't change things.

    Even though u beat us, u lost in the final standings.

    War, set, match, mic dropped, and I am walking away.

    I don't need to defend national polls to u fans who can't do larger than, or smaller than equations.

    Want to talk basketball?

    Oh... right... sorry.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Starman:

    Golly, the clarity of your logic--but not your choice of words--is blinding. I guess us poor Utes will have to settle for being the only team in the state that tub-thumped a USA Top 25.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    Funny that you talk about living in a world of delusion.

    You know you are on a BYU board, right?
    Knocking BYU football to BYU fans, right?
    Trying to convince them that a top 25 ranking at the end of the years isn't meaningful, right?

    Do you really think you are going to change anyone's mind? (Now that's delusional)

    The hypocrisy runs both ways, and you've placed yourself right in the middle of it.

    Go find me a post where a BYU fan says that we are the greatest thing since sliced bread (or anything like it), and I will show you 10 ute (BYU haters) who post what they THINK BYU fans are saying, even though they aren't listening.

    You see u fans are constantly saying BYU fans say this, and BYU fans say that, but all u are reading are each others (BYU haters)posts that have no credibility, have no source material, and have nothing to do with BYU fans.

    Admit that you just hate BYU, and that nothing they do will ever be worthy.

    then ask yourself why you care sooooooo muuuuch!?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Macnasty,

    Once your beloved Duckhunter, Starfarer, Worf and others stop calling it the Pac 10.2, which is at best comically sophmoric, and I will stop calling Bronco, Roscoe. Actually I probably wont, since it was your wonderful TV network who gives you so much exposure, and loves everything Y football is the one who called Bronco Roscoe. So ESPN must know something about his name actually being Roscoe and not Bronco. Our BCS win came against a team who was # 1 for more than 5 weeks of the regular season, and we beat them by more than the NC did that year, while in their own backyard. We got into a BCS game with that strength of schedule, & won the game which is better than being ranked in the top 25. The Y cannot even get into the BCS with a strength of schedule at 90. What does that say about them? Ask me Ask me, I know I know. We are great at beating Cupcakes, but cannot win the big game. Also, before you say it, the Utes lose to bad teams. I already made that point in another post.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    And typical U fan spin, if you think your team is a top 25 team based on just one win back in september, then why isn't Byu worthy of a top 25 ranking? based on 10 wins and a bowl win? Oh now its because they played cupcakes. Well so did the U. Try to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are not cupcakes, psssshh. And no, the argument that they are in the Pac is not valid. Ucla lost to Illinois, hardly a powerhouse team, they lost their last 6 GAMES!! The beavers lost to Sacremento State! nuff said there. Cal lost to Texas by more than The Y did, Wazzoo, no bowl, ASU destroyed by Boise
    and so I could go on and on. Can't show me anywhere in the Pac besides the top 3 where U played anybody in the Pac worth much.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Whatever makes you feel better.

    You killed us. I never said you didn't.

    One game, does not a season make.

    I can live with it.

  • OldPortD.A.M. Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    What was that about hypocrisy? You should read your post to Macnasty, It could be the definition.

    "we won two bcs games"

    "we won two bcs games"

    "we won two bcs games"

    So? What have you done lately? aren't you the one always harping on BYU fans living in the past.

    This years u team, isn't the 2008 team....

    by a long shot.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    I am amazed at all of the jabs against the U. of U.
    They are both local teams and both should be supported.
    I understand that there can be healthy rivalry, but this rivalry has become so full of animosity and ugliness that are out of character for both schools!

    Maybe it is a good thing that the two teams are not scheduled to meet after next season.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    Boise State and Oklahoma State were both robbed by the BCS system (and by this poll)!

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    OldPort
    How 'bout beat a good Georgia Tech team in the Sun Bowl and got a $2 million pay out?

  • tcom2011 Fort Worth, TX
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Aloha99

    I really appreciate you comments but if you have been around for any time at all you know the BYU fans take a verbal beating every day from ute fans. I agree that BYU fans should never retaliate there is more expected from us! But please remember your words would be the best served to you own fan base, good season to both cougars and to the Utes. My guess? if riley was starting the utah game, it would have been a much different game, not saying BYU wins etc just saying it was close at half and would have been much closer at the end.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    "Try to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are not cupcakes, psssshh"

    jarkarus:

    Far be it from me to do that. Nor would I pretend that they are bigger cupcakes than Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State or Ole Miss. And I certainly wouldn't spin how because we beat some cupcakes we are worthy of a USA Top 25 ranking, much less revel in it.

    I leave that to you.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Scoreboard...it's all that matters.

    Have(some)BYU fans standards fallen so for that they fill they must beat their chest about being 25th in the USA Today polls?

    As a U fan, I EXPECT more than a 25th USA Today ranking from BOTH teams.

    Our collective (Utah AND BYU) bar is set much higher....

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    So now BYU fans shouldn't revel in the FACT they were voted to be in the Top 25, even though they are, but because your opinion is that they should not be.

    Hhhhhmmmm....

    Who to consider more credible....

    The national voters who voted in BYU.... or some guy named John in SLC?

    tough one....

    Let me think...

    Gosh, it's close but I choose...

    the people who earned the right to vote.

    Not some BYU hater in SLC who might have an ulterior motive.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    @y fans- so that means byu is better than texas, notre dame, auburn, washington, mississipi state, penn state, Florida, and mizzou?? yeah keep dreamin y fans. everyone knows why you really got that 25th spot and it aint cause yall are good. its cause you had a 10 win season against one of the worst college football schedules in america. period.

  • simply me SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    Gee, all of this hoopla just because BYU is ranked 25th and U are not.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Facts: BYU has a NC in football, BYU was ranked #25 in 2011, U of U et.al. have been in and won BCS games.

    The cry from "U" about BYU's national championship (circa 1984):
    "Yeah, but who did you play?"

    The cry from "U" about BYU's #25 ranking (circa 2011):
    "Yeah, but who did you play?"

    The cry from the national media regarding MWC teams inclusion in BCS games (since 2004):
    "Yeah, but who did you play?"

    So, without being a hypocrite, what's your response?

  • QBU OREM, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    Utah is switching places with Utah State. Utah State is competing with and beating better programs while Utah's entire season is a success if they beat BYU. Even if they lose the rest of their games. A rivalry game is important, but its where you finish that matters. You have to be able to get up for every game. Colorado reminded you of that

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    @macnasty yeah and all you delusinal y fans calling the pac 12 the pac 10.2 is at best "comically sophmoric"

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    The title of the article is "BYU football ranked 25th in final USA Today Top 25 Poll." I found the article to be very accurate to what was advertised in the title. Sooo...congrats Cougars!

    However, I'm confused about all of the comments about the team from the University of Utah, I didn't see them mentioned in the article?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    Starfairy,

    I actually dont hate BYU at all. I got on this thread because a friend told me to go read all of the hippocratic garbage that was being spewed from the mouths of Y fans. That is why I actually got on this board to read the article and subsequent comments. Not because I hate BYU. I also never said anything that they do will never be worthy in my eyes. Did their 2 wins on last second plays against awesome Utah St & Tulsa teams mean they are deserving of a top 25 finish. I guess so since USC was not eligible. All of you stated last year that the UTES should not finish the year ranked, they did, & all of you UTE haters, & not Y fans said they didn't deserve it. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, & UTE fans say the same thing to Coug fans, we hate everything BYU. We are not UTE fans, only Y haters, & we just hate the fact that the Y ended the year ranked, & we didn't, & we can only hold onto 54-10. Talk about delusion. Why do you hate Utah soooooo much?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    OldPortD.A.M.

    On my post to Macnasty I did not say anyhting about us winning 2 BCS games over and over and over again. I was replying to his comment about making it to a BCS game with a weaker strength of schedule, and what we did in that game. I am not living in the past. That game has been over for 3 years now, and the 2011 season is also over. We beat GT in the bowl game, and now it is on to next year. The only thing from the past that the UTES have over BYU is the scoreboard. We have that for 1 year until we play again on Sept 15th, and whomever wins that game will have the scoreboard for another year. Thanks for all of your awesome advice.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    @JayDee
    "The cry from the national media regarding MWC teams inclusion in BCS games (since 2004):
    "Yeah, but who did you play?"

    ----------
    In 2008, Utah beat 4 top-25 ranked teams which included two top-10 ranked teams. (Oregon St, BYU, TCU, Alabama). Yes, that is impressive.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    To clarify my earlier statement, about BYU beating the teams they were suppose to. The BYU/Utah game neither team was an overwhelming favorite. So it could have gone either way, same with the Texas game. They were big favorites against teams like Idaho and NMSU, they were suppose to win those games.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    @ Utehaterforlife

    "BYU is better than Utah, the polls say so. And we know that the polls are always right".

    Polls are skewed and biased! If you want to know which team was better this past season, you have to look at the SCOREBOARD!

    Utah is better than BYU (54-10), the scoreboard says so and numbers never lie. And we know the scoreboard is always right!

    You Cougie fans must be asking yourselves....How can this be? Why is the scoreboard more accurate than polls?

    Because the SCOREBOARD represents the head to head contest and Utah hammered BYU in convincing fashion.

    That is why Utah is the better team! duh!

  • simply me SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Mark it down, this next year Utah will be ranked 26tn.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Wow. BYU has got this final ranking thing figured out. It goes something like this: Play and beat 9 easy teams. Then play 3 legitimate teams and get beat, including getting smashed by your bitter rival by 44 points. But no matter. Play in a small bowl against an average C-USA non-BCS team. If you win, then you end up with an inflated 10-3 record. The voters don't really follow a team's whole season, so the result = ranked #25 (above two of the teams that beat you).

    Hey, whatever works.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    @papsmearute

    "hippocratic"?

    LOL!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    This was a truly unusual football season. I think what is sometimes hard to understand here is that teams change during the year. A great example is that Utah overwhelmed BYU in Provo but lost to Colorado in Salt Lake City.

    There is no question that BYU is a better team than the team that lost to Utah back in September On the same note, Utah is a better team than the team that lost to Colorado Thanksgiving weekend.

    BYU would love to play Texas, Utah and TCU one more time. Utah would love to play ASU, Washington and Colorado over again.

    Both teams defeated quality teams in their bowl games after nearly losing the game and literally pulling a win from the jaws of the defeat dragon.

    What we are left with is bickering back and forth.

    So I suggest before a Utah fans says 55-10 again they need to say Colorado, ASU, Wash also. Before a BYU fans says top 25 they also need to say Texas, Utah, and TCU.

    And both need to quit throwing flaming barbs back and forth. Very childish!!

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    Well, congrats to the cougs on finishing ranked in one of the polls!

    More congrats to the team who pummeled that ranked team by 44 points in their own stadium.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Cougars.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    QBU -

    "Utah is switching places with Utah State"
    ____________________

    Did you really just write that? Did you happen to notice the two miracles it took for BYU to beat Utah State this year? And wasn't last year almost the same thing?
    If anyone is switching places with USU it appears to be BYU.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    @ UtesFan

    So, you can't respond as you did without being somewhat hypocritical.

    For two of your signature wins over top 25 programs you chose two "mid-major" teams. The national media discounts those without a thought because of being in a weak conference. (Not to mention that "U" are/were from a mid-major conference and played a schedule full of cupcakes.)

    Oregon St. finished that year with four losses. (BTW two sports radio talking heads, just yesterday, in reviewing the U football program stated that the U "should have" lost both the TCU and OSU games that year. These are two people who usually give the U plenty of love.)

    I'll certainly give you that the U's win over Alabama was impressive, regardless of the Tide's injuries and suspended player status.

    BYU's record in 2008 was 10-3, final AP ranking #25
    BYU's record in 2011 was 10-3, final USA Today ranking #25

    U are still trying to have it both ways. Keep spinning.

  • BSU BRONCO!! Rigby, ID
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:47 p.m.

    Pretty sad to see how bad things have gotten in Provo when they barley crack the top 25 by playing High School teams and everyone one is pumped up about it. The so called glory days of BYU football are gone for good.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Jan. 10, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    It's good to be a Cougar!

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Despite the jealous whining from the kids on the hill

    Top 25 Finishes All-Time / Bronco/Kyle Era
    BYU 18 / 5
    Utah 7 / 3

    10+ Win Seasons All-Time / Bronco/Kyle Era
    BYU 16 / 5
    Utah 6 / 3

    Our little brothers seem to be having a hard time understanding that seasons are judged in their entirety, not by a few cherry-picked results, like beating an occassional ranked team.

    The reason BYU is ranked and Utah isn't -- BYU didn't lose to a 10-loss team.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    @alternate "So I suggest before a Utah fans says 55-10 again they need to say Colorado, ASU, Wash also. Before a BYU fans says top 25 they also need to say Texas, Utah, and TCU." actually utah fans dont need to say asu, or washington cause they had absolutely nothin to do with 54-10. think before you write.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    Breaking News --

    U reports that Mitt Romney's wins in the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire primaries really don't count because of the weak competition....now to the sports.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    Whatsnu?

    Ute nation throwing another tizzy fit because Independent BYU is once again recognized as having a better overall season than the PAC 10.2 Utes?

    Get used to it!

    BYU is one of only 11 teams that has been ranked 5 of the past 6 years.

    Utah has NEVER been ranked 5 times in a 6 year span in their entire history.

    Just another accomplishment on a national scale that seems routine for BYU, yet seems impossible for lesser programs.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    BYU(10-3) Top 25

    Utah(8-5) unranked

    Obviously, finishing with a losing record in the "conference of so-called champs" didn't impress the rest of the country nearly as much as it did the kids on the hill.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    Hahahahahaha, oh what a fun time reading all these postings. You all crack me up. For those of us who are "true fans", thanks for the football memories BYU and Utah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    Nice spin, Uteology, but the final ranking is THE FINAL RANKING; the final grade for the season. It doesn't matter if you got an "A" on the difficult tests, but failed the easy tests, your grade for the semester is still going to be a "C", for average.

    AP/Coaches Final Top Top 25

    1964 Utah UR/14
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1980 BYU 12/11
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1996 BYU 5/5
    2001 BYU 25/24
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
    2010 Utah 23/26
    2011 BYU 25/26

    BYU has excelled and finished in the Top 25 EIGHTEEN times, SEVENTEEN times in both polls; Utah only 7 times, and only 5 times in both polls.

    Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes.
    Kyle has only ONE Top 15 finish.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    The only statistic that means squat when measuring a college football power house:
    BCS victories:
    Utah 2, BYU 0, zero, natta, zilch, zip

    Put that in your chocolate milk and sip it.

    BYU can have the ranking of #25.
    I'll take score board, what was the score of this year's game in Provo again?

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    The comments here would have you think that BYU beat Utah 54-10.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:37 p.m.

    @ 112 Pack

    Utah a college football power house? OK, I'll play along and give you two years with that title to go with your two BCS wins.

    I won't go so far as to call BYU a powerhouse...but as a college football "power"...I'll take three decades...and counting.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:38 p.m.

    The only thing that matters is Bama is champion. The rest is just filler.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    @ 112 Pack

    Tell that to LSU and maybe they will feel better. BCS victories just mean more money and not much else. The polls are a better indication of the body of work for a total season. The Y lost to the U but the bigger loss was the U losing to Colorado. That logic seems to escape U fans, naturally.

    Nice spin on your part, though, I must admit.

    PS There's also a little thing called the National Championship some schools, like Alabama, use to measure there success. U has "0, zero, natta, zilch, zip."

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    @Starfererererer

    Comparing the Cotton Bowl with the Rose Bowl just shows your true lack of knowledge of college football. Utah every year will have a shot at the Rose Bowl-PAC-12vsBig-10 You guys go ahead and take your Cotton Bowl. I just cannot believe all these Cougar fans who get on this and have things to say about Utah. If I got whipped by someone that bad I would just keep my mouth shut, and wait until next year. You're football program is not even close to Utah's and I trully can't wait until next year, we will kill you again.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    re: Utehaterforlife | 11:26 a.m. Jan. 10, 2012

    Knowing Cougar fans, the polls are right in this case.

    Y? Because, its all about confirmation bias.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    @JayDee
    "(Not to mention that "U" are/were from a mid-major conference and played a schedule full of cupcakes.)"

    ----------
    You also are spinning if you want credit for this year's BYU top-25 ranking but then call Utah's 2008 season schedule "full of cupcakes" since BYU was one of the 2008 ranked teams that Utah beat (the worst one, I might add). It spins both ways, bro.

    While you are busy spinning the opposite direction as I am, you might consider the Mt. Everest your logic is trying to overcome:

    Utah vs. BYU
    1) 54 - 10
    2) 3 out of the last 4
    3) 7 out of the last 10
    4) 3 out of the last 5 Utah victories have been blowouts of 24 points or more.
    5) We have to go all the way back to 1996 to get a decent victory of BYU over Utah, 37รข17.

    All the 5 points above should give any Cougar fan more fear than an undersized offensive lineman going up against Utah's Star Lotulelei.

    I have no disrespect for BYU whatsoever, and acknowledge their successful program. Just don't take away from that which Utah has obviously accomplished.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    112 Pack

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the ONLY statistics that mean squat when measuring a college football power house:

    NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (the gold standard of team accomplishments)

    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    HEISMAN TROPHY (the gold standard of individual accomplishments)

    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    Call us when U actually win something meaningful on a national scale.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    per 112 Pack | 7:18 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012

    Thanks for the laughs & I agree.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    @112 Pack

    BYU's Top 25 finish goes into the national record books
    Utah's win in Provo goes into Utah's media guide as the highlight of the season

    Congratulations on joining Northwestern in the "we beat a Top 25 team, but we also lost to one of the worst teams in the country" club.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    Why do ute fans teumpet a win over BYU?

    IT was only win over non-BCS team,

    a team you all claim was not very good in the first place.

    why make a it a big deal?

    actions (numerous ute comments posted) speak louder than their words.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Beating a PAC team on the road, an SEC team on the road, and defending CUSA champion at home is at least worth some credit. Seeing how the first two conferences pound their chests at how mighty they are, BYU needs credit for beating them on the road. They also beat every team they should have beaten. Wait, they demolished every team they should have beaten.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Utes Fan

    When will U ever learn that one game does not a season make?

    If Utah stopped losing to teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, and Colorado, maybe all those head-to-head wins against BYU would mean something. Why do you even bother playing a full season, when U only care about one game?

    It's funny how little things have changed since the 80's -- BYU is STILL Utah's bowl game, the only game that counts in the eyes of Utedom.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Why do Utah fans like Uteology put so much stock in beating Top 25 teams, but then spend so much time trying to convince yourselves that being a Top 25 team doesn't mean anything -- if it's BYU?

    Either U pounded a team in September that improved to be a Top 25 team by the end of the season, or U pounded a team that was never any good and the highlight of your season was a meaningless accomplishment.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    @ UteFans (7:44)

    Congratulations! You finally made it to the point I was making all along. (Which was...U denigrate the Y and U denigrate yourself...and vice versa).

    Now you see how the spinning works...or better yet doesn't. So U acknowledge the rankings and NC...and of course we acknowledge 54-10 and two BCS wins (with schedule, conference, no-conference and other caveats included) or otherwise it's all circular nonsense. I agree with you totally!

    ...Except for the part about BYU fans being scared. Next year is a new team, new faces (especially QB), new dynamic. I don't fear...or predict...I'll just enjoy.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    @phoneix
    Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes.
    Kyle has only ONE Top 15 finish.

    --------

    Yet no one from the BCS wants the diva down south, and I'm not just talking about Bronco.

    Again congrats but I think we can all agree that with a SOS 90 BYU should have gone at least 12-1, see Houston for an example.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    TrueBlue
    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the ONLY statistics that mean squat when measuring a college football power house.

    ------------

    Sorry to break to you but power house programs don't celebrate a win at home over Utah State by storming the field.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    @Truth Machine

    Highlight of our season was finishing 4th overall in the PAC-12 after just one year of recruiting under the PAC-12 banner.

    The low light of our season was losing to Colorodo.

    Thumping BYU by 44 points @LES ... priceless!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    TrueBlue said:

    "112 Pack

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the ONLY statistics that mean squat when measuring a college football power house:

    NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (the gold standard of team accomplishments)

    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    HEISMAN TROPHY (the gold standard of individual accomplishments)

    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    Call us when U actually win something meaningful on a national scale."

    That only matters to BYU fans. If it meant anything to the rest on college football. BYU would have been invited to a power conference a long time ago. BTW your Heisman winner did not exactly light up the NFL.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 10, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    Nice to see BYU fans aspire to a lower standard yet again. You make fun of Utah's loss to Colorado, but covet a 25 ranking? The only thing that matters is number one. All you get for 25 is a bucket of green jello and a bag of rhodes rolls.

  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    Dang it! I knew we should have joined Conference-USA! How will we ever get ranked?!? We didn't do it our first year in the PAC-12, so it will probably never happen.

    54-10! And we'd beat BYU again if we played again with the players left at the end of the season.

    But congrats on the top 25, enjoy another 10 win season and many more to come as long as they keep scheduling the teams they schedule. They may even beat a good team once in awhile.

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    To papasmurfute:

    "Beating a pathetic Ole Miss team and an even worse Tulsa team on the last play of the game doesn't really warrant a top 25 ranking"

    Tulsa finished 8-5, just like the Utes! So what, exactly, are you saying about 8-5 teams? I don't want to read anything into your comments that you didn't mean... ;-)

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    BYU earned their ranking by finishing the season strong. Congrats on a another 10 win season and top 25 finish Cougars! Utes arent ranked and rightfully so, you cannot lose to a lousy two-win colorado team and expect to finish ranked.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    Ute whining is music to my ears.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    Neither BYU or Utah deserve to be ranked in the top 25, but this is pretty funny! It's just a little poke in the eye for newest member of 'the conference of champions.' The fact that you beat your rival by 44 points in September and by January they make the top 25 and you don't? That's hilarious! Utah is the Rodney Dangerfield of college football!

  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:57 p.m.

    Wow.....I read these comments from BYU fans and I just laugh. Please, for the love of college football, stop embarrassing yourselves. Seriously, congratulations on cracking the top 25, but let me help you connect the dots.
    I want you to come up with the wittiest comment on how "terrible" Utah's football team is. Got it? Okay, now combine that with this lovely memory:

    54-10. On YOUR home field.

    Thanks for playing.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    @ NightOwlAmerica

    Remind us again how many ute QB's have won a Super Bowl?

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    UU702 | 12:04 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012
    Layton, UT
    So in other words Utah is the only team in the state to beat (and beat bad) a ranked team! Sweeet!

    And the only team in the state to lose to a pathetic 2-win colorado team...Congrats!

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    Best entertainment of the season, right here, right now and it's all because the children on the hill can't stand being second to BYU.

    Geewiz Utesies, it isn't hard to accept reality and to move on. But for a program that was hyped to win the South Division, a shot at the championship, a parade and a Rose Bowl... well it just didn't happen. It was not to be and how foolhardy the fan in believing a perrennial second or third place MWC conference team would go anywhere near the top tier in the PAC 10.2

    Most of you said BYU would fail in its foray into independence. It didn't. Everyone said BYU would never get an invite to an AQ conference. Two conferences wanted BYU but wanted too many concessions.

    BYU is #25 because you lost to a 2-10 team in your own stadium. Flukes happen as we all know. Deal with it.

    How many weeks until camp? Not until the Utes suffer through a lot of basketball.

    Way to go BYU. Congrats in your Top 25 showing. Not too bad for your first season. Schedule will improve next fall.

    Ute football... not so much.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    @JayDee

    Not so fast. I only pointed out the rankings to make sure you understood that you were spinning yourself.

    BYU being ranked 25 this year is negated by Utah's blowout victory over them. The rankings are imperfect and the rankings alone are a poor way of determining how good a team is. Utah, in 2008, won all games, and won a BCS bowl. Those are the arguing points. The 2008 ranked teams Utah beat factor in, but they down the list of importance once it is acknowledged that there was a BCS bowl win and perfect season. Also, head-to-head competition is a more powerful arguing factor, as long as the win is convincing. Meaning, if Utah had beat BYU by only 3 points this year, I would raise the white flag and acknowledge the ranking and probably admit BYU had the better year. But since the Utah victory was by 44 points, the ranking lies below that - Utah was the better team this year by far (44 points).

    I bring up Utah's victories over 4 ranked teams in 2008 only to emphasize the real point - they were a perfect team, and beating ranked teams makes the strong point even stronger - the rankings are not the point, but only add to it. If BYU had beat Utah this year, the ranking would add to the point - not replace it. But since BYU got blown out by Utah this year by 44 points, the top-25 ranking is meaningless.

    Got it?

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    @foolishchild "Tulsa finished 8-5, just like the Utes! So what, exactly, are you saying about 8-5 teams? I don't want to read anything into your comments that you didn't mean... ;-)" tulsa played in the conf-usa... that should tell you everything you need to know about the difference of utah and tulsa. another key point... 54-10 on byus on field. tulsa lost to a very very sorry byu team. stop actin like the two teams (utah and tulsa) competition was even remotely close.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    @Swoop
    "It's funny how little things have changed since the 80's -- BYU is STILL Utah's bowl game, the only game that counts in the eyes of Utedom."

    ------------
    Uh, the Sun Bowl victory was more important. So was the victory in the Poinsettia Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, etc. While beating BYU has been nice, don't kid yourself - the bowls have mattered far more to us. If you think beating BYU compares to winning the Sugar Bowl or Fiesta Bowl, then you need to seriously re-evaluate your logic.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    @utes fan lets not forget byu has NEVER been to a bcs bowl game while utah has been to 2 and WON both so byu doesnt understand what its like to actually have an important bowl game so you cant blame them for thinking THEY are utahs bowl game..... hahahahaha what a laugher that is.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    @UtesFan "BYU being ranked 25 this year is negated by Utah's blowout victory over them."

    Apparently the voters disagreed, which is why BYU is ranked in the top 25 and Utah isn't even sniffing it.

    I know it stings, Ute fans, but coaches around the country voted BYU into the top 25 and left U out. Guess that 44 point fluke win over your rival couldn't get the bad taste of losing to a 2-10 team at home out of the mouths of the voters.

    Better luck next year.

    Go Cougars!

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    Uteology | 8:46 p.m.

    Highlight of our season was finishing 4th overall in the PAC-12 after just one year of recruiting under the PAC-12 banner.
    -------

    I think you mean 8th. Utes lost to the two teams they tied for 6th.

    --------

    Uteology | 8:38 p.m.

    Again congrats but I think we can all agree that with a SOS 90 BYU should have gone at least 12-1
    -----

    Do you mean they should've beaten everyone except TCU? Hard to argue with that.

    Hard to argue with "The low light of Utes' season was losing to Colorodo." I'd call it embarrassing. (It is Colorado, btw, not Colorodo.) The Ute game was the Cougars "Colorodo."

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    BluCoug said:

    "@ NightOwlAmerica

    Remind us again how many ute QB's have won a Super Bowl?"

    Leave it to a BYU fan to change the subject when the debate is lost.
    Nothing was said about SB winners, only the Heisman winner.
    Stay on topic please.

  • SirTipsALot65 Hurricane, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica

    night owl you need to stay on topic as well, all he did is mention the fact that byu has a heisman trophy winner, and thats all. then i believe you went "off topic" and mentioned the NFL. ...... that's weird.

    I still think the whole national championship argument is funny and valid.

    man the good old glory days!

    p.s. ute fans why do you care? so what you mauled BYU, big deal. The beauty of college football is that come summer, its a whole new ball game. right??

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    SirTipsALot65 said:

    "@NightOwlAmerica

    night owl you need to stay on topic as well, all he did is mention the fact that byu has a heisman trophy winner, and thats all. then i believe you went "off topic" and mentioned the NFL. ...... that's weird.....?"

    EPIC FAIL!

    Its only weird when you don't pay attention to the post. Ty Det did not win a super bowl. Who cares about the others from BYU. They did not win a Heisman.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    Glad to see so many Utah fans content to bask in the reflected light of their upper echelon conference foes.

    After a few brief years in the upper echelon of the MWC, the Utes are back to being the Colorado State, Wyoming or New Mexico of the PAC 12, content to finish in the bottom half of the conference as long as they can pull off an occassional win against their rivals down south.

    Final Sagarin Rankings

    #34 BYU
    #35 Tulsa
    #39 Utah
    #56 Ga Tech
    #64 Arizona
    #66 UCLA
    #69 Pittsburgh
    #83 Washington State
    #87 Oregon State
    #95 Montana State

    Whether Utah fans want to admit it or not, Utah's fluke 7-turnover gifted win over BYU was the highlight and most significant win of Utah's season; no other win even close.

    ------------------

    Utes Fan

    "the Sun Bowl victory was more important"

    Sorrym, the Armed Forces Bowl loser (Tulsa) finished ahead of the Sun Bowl winner (Utah).

    Utah's Sun Bowl win barely produced a blip on the college football radar - the win only moved the Utes up one spot in the rankings from 38th to 37th.

    BYU's Armed Forces Bowl win vaulted BYU past Utah from 44th to 34th.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    @NOA

    two words: reading comprehension

    Which of these is not like others?

    Heisman Trophy winning QB
    Super Bowl winning QB
    BYU QB
    National Championship winning QB
    Sammy Baugh winning QB
    Davey O'Brien winning QB
    National College Hall of Fame QB
    Utah QB

    Get back to us when you've figured it out.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Independence was supposed to give BYU exposure. I sure hope those being exposed to BYU aren't reading any of these comments. What a terrible representation of what the LDS church is supposed to be about. Luckily I know better and do respect BYU as an institution.

    Congrats on the top 25, see you next year at RES for the next installment.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    "I am a Utah man, sir and I live across the green..." with envy.

    See you next year; don't count on BYU sitting on the ball inside the 20 with plenty of time left to salt the game away with a TD.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:09 a.m.

    "What a terrible representation of what the LDS church is supposed to be about."

    To the contrary, most fans outside Utah would be impressed with how tolerant BYU fans are with their arrogant little brothers on the hill.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:10 a.m.

    sportsfanforlife | 10:31 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @utes fan lets not forget byu has NEVER been to a bcs bowl game while utah has been to 2 and WON both so byu doesnt understand what its like to actually have an important bowl game so you cant blame them for thinking THEY are utahs bowl game..... hahahahaha what a laugher that is.
    ---------

    Did the Utes win the AP or Coaches' National Championship in those important games? Where do they keep the National Championship Trophies? I forget. As will history. But you go ahead and keep screaming "2 BCS! 2BCS!" for the next 50 years.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    LonestarRunner | 11:47 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @NOA

    two words: reading comprehension

    Which of these is not like others?

    Heisman Trophy winning QB
    Super Bowl winning QB
    BYU QB
    National Championship winning QB
    Sammy Baugh winning QB
    Davey O'Brien winning QB
    National College Hall of Fame QB
    Utah QB
    ----------

    You forgot NFL HOF QB

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:24 a.m.

    JohnInSLC | 3:30 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    "Try to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are not cupcakes, psssshh"

    jarkarus:

    Far be it from me to do that. Nor would I pretend that they are bigger cupcakes than Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State or Ole Miss. And I certainly wouldn't spin how because we beat some cupcakes we are worthy of a USA Top 25 ranking, much less revel in it.

    I leave that to you.
    ----------

    See, here is the thing BYU obsessed people don't get: BYU didn't make up the rankings, and BYU fans don't have to spin them. They are what they are. Coaches voted, including Kyle Whittingham, and guess what? The COACHES chose BYU -- and none of them voted for Utah. Those are just the facts. Spin is when you bring in extraneous "facts," are call a thing something it isn't. BYU is ranked. Saying they aren't, or shouldn't be? That is spin.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    "Did you happen to notice the two miracles it took for BYU to beat Utah State this year? And wasn't last year almost the same thing?"

    It seems you have forgotten the miracles (more than 2) it took Utah to beat BYU the year before with your beloved Wynn against a true freshman QB who was playing with broken ribs. Also, in fairness to USU, they would have beat the U this year.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 1:18 a.m.

    LOL i love all these byu fans saying oh we're in the top 25 we're better than you when the whole reason they're even in the top 25 in one poll is cause usc was ineligible for that poll. and its funny cause the whole season werent they the ones talkin about the only reason utah was in a position for the conf. championship was cause usc was ineligible??? oh how the irony works with these delusional fans. they'll spin anything to work in their favor but if its utah its cause it got handed to them and they didnt deserve it hahahaha wow what a bunch of hypocrits.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    @UtesFan

    I woke up and read your post and was disappointed. My belief that you were a rational and thoughtful "Utes Fan" (instead of Y hater) was dashed. I guess you didn't realize my point, that when either side of the rivalry puts on their colored glasses and spins around until they get dizzy the truth (or facts) don't matter.

    This is evidenced in your last statement "the top 25 ranking is meaningless".
    It's only "meaningless" to U. (Go ahead and say it only means something to Y fans. Obviously the pollsters voted them there...right?)

    They are ranked 25. That's a fact. The college football world views the entire BYU season as better than the U's.

    The U won two BCS bowls recently ...7 years now for the first? (No one is taking it away from you, so relax). But you finished 2011 with a losing record in conference. You are not ranked when your season's body of work is considered...this year. It is what it is...all your protestations that the rankings are meaningless aside. Get real.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    I love how BYU fans hang their hat on the National Championship. They only National Champion that never beat a top 20 team from the final poll; and beat a 6-5 team in the bowl game. Wow, impressive.

    Totally pale in comparison to Utah's undefeated season(s). Especially the Sugar Bowl season! There's your cue BYU spin doctors! Spin it Baby!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    Is it more delusional to be an excited fan that your team was in the top 25 (No matter the reason)

    ...or....

    Come on to a BYU comment board to tell BYU fans that they are not worthy of it?

    Is it more hypocritical that BYU fans are happy that they got into the top 25 because USC wasn't eligible

    ...or...

    u using the argument of USC, when USC had NOTHING to do with why u DID NOT play in the Conference championship game (you lost to Colorado, remember?)

    Here's a novel idea, u fans.

    Go away. Quit worrying about BYU. We won't miss you I promise.

    If we are delusional, so be it, why do you care?

    If we are hypocritical, so be it, why does it matter to you.

    If you are so much better, go be better.

    But your SOS, power ratings, AND the final polls PROVE otherwise. Prove it next season, cause this one is over.

    You want BYU to accept there place,

    ....Accept yours.

    We were a top 25 team in our first year of independence.

    You were barely and average team in your first year of the pac 12.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    The fact is,

    BYU garnered enough votes to be ranked in the top 25

    Utah did not get one vote

    So be it.

    Woulda Coulda Shoulda did not happen.

    Everyone has an opinion and the opinions of the voters was that the Y deserved the votes and the U did not. Don't rag on the Y or it's fans, get in touch with those who voted for the Y and did not vote for the U.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Why are BYU fans so concerned with what Utah fans think?
    BYU finished ranked higher. Per the computer rankings, this is correct.
    Utah clobbered BYU, but laid a big egg against Colorado.
    Both teams finished with nice bowl victories.
    Both teams had a good, but not great season.
    I try to always pull for BYU when they aren't playing Utah, but some of the very pointed and paranoid comments by over zealous BYU fans make this more and more difficult to do.
    Good Luck to both programs; and Utah State too!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    112 Pack

    It needs no spin. BYU received the NC the way every other team has received it, by the votes.

    By anyone's measure outside of SLC... and obviously yours...

    NC > 2 BCS wins.

    There is only one team trophy that transcends year over year...

    and it is not a bowl trophy, no matter what the flavor of the month is that they call it... upper tier, new years day, BCS, what ever it is going to be called in the future...

    It is a National Championship.

    Spin that all you want. You just look petty.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    @sportzfan those TWO bcs games were WAY more of an accomplishment than your undeserved nc over a team that WASNT EVEN .500 get over yourself. everyone including yourself knows you didnt deserve that nc. win a bcs game and get back to me.
    its amazing yall kept cryin this year about how utah didnt deserve to be in a bowl game with their record but you delusional fans keep braggin about your nc over a team who wasnt even .500 hahahaha wow.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    112 pack -- Don't overlook the "the very pointed and paranoid comments by over zealous [u] fans..."

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    @starfarer and you ARE NOT a top 25 team. everyone sees the miracle it took for you to be there (usc not eligible) so stop tryin to convince me that you are cause i know you are not. and as far as SOS goes thats not even an argument. check your facts before you look foolish

  • sportsman101 salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    LOL you y fans seriously need to get a clue. you were only voted in cause sc wasnt eligible. everyoe including yourselves know that fact. stop beating your chest especially saying you're better than the teams receiving votes cause we already know you lost to one of em. and you're def. not better than notre dame, florida, miss. st., etc. get a clue y fans.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    @JayDee

    I didn't say the top 25 ranking was meaningless, I said: "But since BYU got blown out by Utah this year by 44 points, the top-25 ranking is meaningless."

    Meaning, given that BYU lost to Utah by 44 points now makes the top 25 ranking above Utah meaningless.

    My point is the following: (and this goes for all Cougar fans). If you think that losing to your rival recently 70% of the time, and about half the time by blowouts, and this year by 44 points is not worth consideration, then so be it. Your logic is seriously flawed, but you can think what you want. I would lay down money on a bet that the national voters didn't even think or remember that Utah had blown BYU out by 44 points when they made the vote. The voting just doesn't consider that - that is how it works, and thus it is flawed and imperfect. It is just opinions. FACT: Utah beat BYU by 44 points.

    If you would be HONEST, I think you would trade places with Utah this year. Most Cougar fans would admit it.

    Again, I have no animosity to BYU. I am active LDS, and admire the school. It's just that I hate bad logic :).

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Cougars76
    Totally understand, it goes both ways.
    Mesa AZ
    Big difference between winning a National Championship prior to the formulation of the BCS. BYU may not have even had the opportunity to play for the NC under the current format, and make no mistake, they wouldn't have played a 6-5 team in the championship. That's just the facts! Question, what's more impressive: BYU's undefeated team of 1984; or Utah's of 2009 (and 2005 for that matter)? Which team played a tougher schedule, and a tougher bowl opponent?
    We shall find out if Mesa is impartial, or looking through blue colored glasses. From an unbiased point of view the answer is obvious.
    Also, I don't fault BYU for the 1984 NC, but the format was a lot differen't back then.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    @ Utes Fan

    Still spinning eh...

    You despise bad logic...yet...

    You say: "BYU lost to Utah by 44 points now makes the top 25 ranking above Utah meaningless."

    By that logic...OK State's loss to mediocre Iowa State makes every game they played thereafter, including a victory over the Conference of Champion flagbearer, Stanford...as well as their top 5 ranking...meaningless?

    So sad you can't accept what the rest of informed college football observers across the nation have concluded. But that seems to be what Y hate does to someone.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    You beat Ole Miss! They finished 2-10. Why would you use that in your point? Because they are ann SEC squad? but your BYU your supposed to beat a bad team right?

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    @JayDee
    "But that seems to be what Y hate does to someone."

    You need to read my posts again.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    crowntown1

    U lost to a 2-10 at HOME didn't you??? hahahaha

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    crowntown1

    Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad would U have lost to a 2-10 on the road???

  • 4D Draper, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    It doesn't take rocket science to figure out if you play one of worse schedules in the country that it's going to be really easy to have a ten win season. If the Y new tradition is to play pathetic high school teams every year, and loose to anytime team that has pulse I have lost interest in watching them. I would be not be pounding my chest after beating Idaho, Hawaii, Idaho State, San Jose State, Utah State, Ucf, and New Mexico State. Beating 2-10 sec team and getting killed by a fifth placed pac twelve team tells me everything i all ready know about the 2011 team.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    crowntown1

    Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad would U have lost to a 2-10 on the road???
    ------
    Wow, and you lost to that team 54-10 at home, how bad would U have lost on the road???

  • Me, Myself and I Blanding, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    Glad to see there is no shortage of wine but wheres the cheese? Most of these post by fans on both sides are pointless, well unless they start playing games on paper instead of a field. The fact of the matter is if either side was truly satisfied with "their" teams season they wouldn't care to argue about most of this crap. I do have to say my favorite thing about these arguments are the people who want to bring up all the past accomplishments of players or of the team they support yet dismiss any the other side may bring up. "Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!" - Larry the Cable Guy

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    LonestarRunner | 11:47 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012

    two words: reading comprehension

    Which of these is not like others?

    Heisman Trophy ... BLAH ....

    Get back to us when you've figured it out.

    ---------------

    I got it, all are awards won by Edwards/Chow recruits.

    Get back to us when Bronco/Doman get you back to the 1996 level.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    "The COACHES chose BYU"

    Sportzfan:

    I presume you meant the sports info directors to whom many coaches hand the ballot to complete. And several coaches who do vote are blatantly biased. Maybe you didn't know that Roscoe was a voting member this year? In fact, in the last ballot where coaches votes were released, before the bowls (the final ballot, where they are TOLD who to rank No. 1, is secret), Roscoe had BYU at No. 22 and did not rank No. 18 Georgia at all. Hmmmm.

    As a result the coaches poll is widely considered to be next to useless as a true measure of rankings. No wonder ESPN quit sponsoring that poll several years ago.

    But hey, it looks good on YOU!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    112 Pack

    And you also got blown out 2 times at home, guess U won't be looking forward to playing those teams on the road.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Re: 112 pack

    Who are you refering to? We never lost to a 2-10 team. I am not a Utah or Byu fan.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Posters

    My team never lost to a 2-10 team.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    crowntown1 | 12:56 p.m. Jan. 11, 2012
    Corona, CA

    Your team lost 54-10 at home and quit half way through the 3d quarter.

    Congrats.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    54-10

    I thought I made it clear I am neither a BYU or Utah fan. Try reading my earlier posts.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Posters

    At least it's clear who my team is.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    @ Jarka rus

    Actually, I'm sure Utah looks forward to avenging those loses. Now if we got beat by say 44 points, I'd be concerned.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    @ Jackass-rus

    "Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad would U have lost to a 2-10 on the road???"

    Wow! If BYU lost at home by 44 points to a team that lost to Colorado, how bad would BYU have lost if the game was played in Salt Lake???

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Re: 112

    I hope BYU plays SC in the next couple years so we can drop 50 on you. BYU Football has hit the ceiling.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 11, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Some confused Ute fans seem to think their rival finished ranked and it has them hacked off.

    Guess what? Your rival finished (3-10), nowhere close to ranked, and with a win over you.

    Whining over what happens with BYU is like a Texas A&M fan being concerned about developments at Duke.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 11, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    "As a result the coaches poll is widely considered to be next to useless as a true measure of rankings. No wonder ESPN quit sponsoring that poll several years ago.

    But hey, it looks good on YOU!"

    So BYU finished one spot back in the poll which ESPN sponsors. You made a heck of a case.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    "So BYU finished one spot back in the poll which ESPN sponsors. You made a heck of a case."

    Wonton:

    Yeah, you got me there; the DNews probably WOULD have written an article about the y being among "others receiving votes" and all the cougies would be crowing about it.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    Jan. 11, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Reading this stuff is comic relief! Nice competition you have here between the two schools. I can't believe BYU fans are gleeful about a Top 25 finish. Is that all you want? That's pathetic. People down here down settle for that kind thing. We play to win. The goal is to be number one. Not schedule a bunch of sisters-of-the-poor to paddy cake yalls schedule.

    And congrats to Utah in a way. You are in a big time conference. Funny thing is BYU is trying to act big time since you joined the PAC. You would not last in any major conference. You would choke just like you did to Utah at home and Texas on the road.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    Jan. 11, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    Hey Cougee fans. Edwards was a good coach that developed a lot of good QBs. But you can't be serious about the 84' title. Had you played anyone in the top 10 that year you would have lost. The title you won was a glorified WAC championship game over a 6-5 team. Get serious. If you want to make a point join a BCS conference. The world does not revolve around your program. Other schools including my Noles have won the title as well.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Crowntown

    You must have me mistaken for a BYU fan; and no I don't hate BYU. This Utah fan has the up most respect for USC, and hopefully we gained some at the Coliseum this season. It was a heck of a game.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    @semibob dont bring up fsu that brings back horrific nightmares for y fansas they watched fsu drug them in they own place...

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    Despite all of the whining and spin and desperate attempts at deflection by our BYU-obsessed little brothers on the hill, at the end of the day:

    BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin

    Utah(8-5) no votes Coaches, no votes AP, #39 Sagarin, 8th in the PAC 12

    and one of the worst basketball teams in country to look forward to.

    Congratulations Utah on playing 49th toughest schedule in the country; can't wait to see the new banner.

    BYU will simply add another Top 25 finish to its record and move on - something we've become very accumstomed to doing since 1977.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    @cougars- annoying little brothers.... EPIC FAIL hahahaha

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:24 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    EPIC FAIL is a wanna-be divisional contender getting dominated at home by a 10 loss team amd finishing with a losing conference record.

    BYU = Top 25
    Utah = midPAC also ran

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    @sportsfanforlife

    EPIC FAIL would be basing your entire season on a supposedly meaningless game against an irrelevant "former rival," and then getting smoked at home by your "new rival" with the division title riding on an easy win over one of the worst teams in the country.

    Instead of wasting all of your energy on BYU, you should have saved a little for the rest of the season.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    More like EPIC SUCCESS!!!

    BYU finishing in the Top 25 has the entire MUSS wallowing in utter despair wondering "how did that just happen?"

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:46 p.m.

    no epic fail would be to say utahs only chance at being in the divisional game was cause usc was ineligible but then claim the top 25 when usc wasnt eligible. see how that works? maybe not cause y fans obviously have no clue whats going on hahahaha. and i love all the "dominated" at home talk hahaha losing by 3 on a missed field goal is getting dominated? really? then what is losing by 44 on your home field???

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    @sportscenter and uteanymous EPIC FAIL once again hahaha nice try tho. come back when you have a real comeback. and stop using other teams' wins over utah cause you got absolutely drugged by them on your HOME field hahaha keep tryin tho delusional fans.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    I'm puzzled from where this lifetime fan suddenly came from.
    After reading the posts, it seems obvious they are fueled by something other than clear thinking and objectivity.

    So, I guess I'll ignore such and move on...

    Congratulations on your season Cougars. It's great you have another year of national recognition being ranked by college football observers, coaches, media, etc. around the country...except for an angry and confused small group of holdouts in a little red schoolhouse on the hill.

    Enjoy the offseason. I look forward to seeing what spring ball brings with Riley at the reigns, a year of experience for an OC to draw upon, and the return of most of a stellar defense.

    Thanks for your efforts...from an appreciative fan

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    @jaydee yawn..... NEXT

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    @jaydee hahaha clear thinking and objectivity hahahaha coming from a y fan?? hahaha

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 11, 2012 10:01 p.m.

    That's cool. I figured BYU would get the slight edge over Northern Illinois (who finished with a slightly better record, but with a slightly worse schedule). I was a little surprised to see them ahead of Penn State, but I think a few voters were swayed by the scandal.

    Still, the arrogance is astounding.

    I'm curious if these BYU fans are finally able to admit that '10Utah finished ranked.

    Why?

    Many on these boards downplayed the Utes #23 ranking in the coaches poll last year. Their favorite quote was "Utah went from #5 to unranked." Which was completely bogus, as they finished ranked. Ironically the Utes also finished just outside the AP, as the first "others to recieve votes" (or as the Y fan would say, #26).

    But many Coug fans insisted AP is what mattered.

    Aside from the overall record of 10-3, there were a great many parallels between this BYU team and last year's Ute team (Cupcakes, narrow come from behind victory against a rival, blow-out home loss on National TV, etc.). Sure there are a couple of differences (Utah beat more winning teams/bowl winners, but their losses were late).

    Congrats to the 2011 Cougars.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 11, 2012 11:52 p.m.

    I see that despite moves to a new conference and independence, not much has changed in Utah.

    While BYU fans enjoy another Top 25 finish, Utah fans throw another jealous whine fest.

    Life is good.

  • MormonUte Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    After reading the comments on this board, and having followed this rivalry for most of my 45 years, I really think we have sunk to a new low. As my name on this board says, I am both a Ute fan and an active Latter-Day Saint. I am assuming that the majority of the posters on this board, especially the BYU fans, are also active LDS. How quickly we forget what matters. President Uchtdorf gave a talk in October 2010 general conference called "Pride and the Priesthood". He mentioned sports as an arena where a fan base is painted a certain way by another fan base. I think both sides are guilty of this. I, like most of you, enjoy the rivalry, and some good-natured ribbing is OK, I believe. In my own ward, we have fun with the rivalry. I'm married to a BYU graduate, and we have fun with it too. But ask yourselves, has this gone too far? If we did missionary work the way we talk sports, nobody would ever want to join our church. "We're better than you" is the tone of this whole conversation. Are we at all following the Savior? Seriously.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    haha all you ppl talkin about how the rivalry has sunk to a new low did you happen to catch the bama/auburn special on espn yesterday? that rivalry is 10x worse than this one. ITS A RIVALRY! thats how its supposed to be. thts what makes it fun, all the trash talk and chest beating. but in all honesty byu and utah fans have the utmost respect for BOTH teams even if they dont wanna admit it. its just always more fun to argue whose team is better imo.

  • SirTipsALot65 Hurricane, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    @sportsfanforlife

    well said man, who honestly cares whose ranked who at this point. next season is a whole new ball game. that's the beauty of college football. it can easily go either way, byu and the U. needlesstosay, man what a bunch of hicks

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    Ute fans must be thrilled to have beat a TOP 25 team!

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    @y4lyfe yeah somethin the y cant say they accomplished this year and still somehow in the top 25... oh wait its cause sc wasnt eligible haha your pitty top 25 ranking LOL

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    Utah sometimes beats Top 25 teams

    BYU usually finishes in the Top 25

    The main difference between BYU usually being ranked and Utah not, BYU seldom loses to mediocre or bad teams.

    Kyle lost to every MWC bottom dweller - New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.
    Bronco was undefeated against New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.

    Kyle lost to two 10-loss teams.
    Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss team.

    Kyle has one conference championship.
    Bronco has two.

  • Neuron Average, SE
    Jan. 13, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    "sportsfanforlife @y fans- so that means byu is better than texas, notre dame, auburn, washington, mississipi state, penn state, Florida, and mizzou??"

    Yep, pretty much. The BYU team at the end of the season could beat any of those teams (including my Gators). After all, if Utah could beat BYU 54-10 then anything could happen.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Jan. 13, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    TrollPolice | 6:10 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Utah sometimes beats Top 25 teams

    BYU usually finishes in the Top 25

    The main difference between BYU usually being ranked and Utah not, BYU seldom loses to mediocre or bad teams.

    Kyle lost to every MWC bottom dweller - New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.
    Bronco was undefeated against New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.

    Kyle lost to two 10-loss teams.
    Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss team.

    Kyle has one conference championship.
    Bronco has two.

    --

    Kyle is in a BCS conference.
    Bronco is not.

  • spartaman Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    didn't utah kill byu? nough said