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  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 3, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    Hate to say it but BYU has failed to step up under Bronco. Our 10-3 record came at the hands of some easy teams. "Exposure" under BYUtv means merely more LDS can watch. Real exposure means winning a BCS bowl game and getting invited to a conference with TV sets and major markets. I'm not sure where we're heading at the moment.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Jan. 3, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    After reading that little blurb.......can you say "SUGAR COATED"???!

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Why does Tom Holmoe continue to hide. He was found at the back of the interview room and forced to answer questions. A dynamic and progressive AD doesn't act like that. It is time for BYU to find a dynamic AD and start selling BYU. Quit hiding behind the vale of the church and the private university and come out and do interviews and start selling BYU and their great program. Isn't it time for a change?

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Jan. 3, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    For the Cougs right now, it doesn't really matter what happens in conference realignment. If they can manage and continue to schedule some big name schools and win those games every year, then I believe they will eventually be in the mix for a BCS bowl and who knows, maybe even in a NC game if they go undefeated. Now if they do that and still not be invited to the NC game, well then, who cares? They can still be proud of what they've accomplished. Meantime, the concern should be, like I've said over and over before, just win, win, and win some more. That's the only key to gaining national respect and rendering irrelevant the noxious venom of those who live to hate BYU and what it stands for no matter what.

    Go Cougs!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 3, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    fan32

    Allow me to attempt a different spin. Tom was a guest at somebody else's show. A press conference for the bowl people who were gracious enough to allow BYU to play in a pretty decent bowl our first season of independence. You don't want to upstage your hosts. You won't to lay low and be a good guest.

    But, like a celebrity in the room, the person who represents BYU attracted the attention anyway.

    Now, some of your questions are decent ones. However, there are at least two schools of thought in negotiations: keep it private, secret, until it is a done deal; or trying to bring public attention and pressure to bear if you think it will help you get what you want.

    Tom obviously subscribes to the first. It is honorable, and it may in the end prove to be most successful. The Big 12 negotiated in the first. The Big East negotiated in the second. It didn't work for them, but it sure raised the pressure on Tom and BYU.

    I look at the first year, and other than losing to Texas, being humiliated by Utah, and self-destructing at TCU, I'm pleased.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 3, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Lots of good points here but also some unanswered questions. I would agree that BYU failed Jake Heaps and others. When will someone hold this coaching staff accountable for their many failures from lack of running backs, to bringing the wrong shoes to a game, to destroying the confidence of a four star recruit over one off season. I think it is a mistake to blindly give credit for winning ten games over poor compeition while ignoring the losses against the 3 tougher teams on the schedule. The over emphasis on walk-ons tells something about recruiting strategy and skills or the mind set of the coach. It's nice that we have firesides now, but maybe we need to hold some people's feet to the fire also. There are some serious problems in the program at the moment. Hopefully they are being addressed. Next year will be a disaster if nothing changes.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    10-3 is tainted by cupcake wins. The 54-10 blowout defined the season. There is no reason to crow about anything. We know who the players are who excelled and made dramatic plays that put the Cougars into the position to pull out victories. Those are satisfying moments. What we need is a 24/7 coaching routine of recruiting the best players that can qualify to come to Provo and abide by the rules. We also need some enthusiastic coaches who exhibit some emotion during the games. I am weary of Bronco Mendenhall's stoic demeanor at games. Slow starts in games and road woes trouble me. I do congratulate the Cougars on a successful season. Riley Nelson's enthusism at QB was infectious for the entire team and saved the season in my opinion. We owe a lot to him, the receivers, and defensive playmakers like VanNoy. Go Cougars.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    Ydad/Ygrad. I agree with most of those points. However, the lack of communication and secrecy just leads to more speculation and bad press. Holmoe seems to want the bad press. The only real interview he has done was with Greg Wrubel who is also on the dull. There is nothing wrong with coming clean with the fans. The long silence episodes just breed discontent and bad press. Hiding behind the privacy of the church and University is just too easy and happens way too often. Be upfront, hold regular press conferences and invite everybody. Try to answer the hard questions and at least look proactive. If anybody needs a top executive at the AD post, BYU does. We don't have that and the program is slowly deteriorating because of that.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    BYU Football: State of the Cougars: might I suggest Maine? Can you get any farther in the U.S without going to Hawaii? They don't deserve that. No offense to the good people of Maine. They probably don't want them either.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    "For us, it works right now. With everything going on around us, it's probably a good place to be."

    Probably... is he not more confident with his decision? I would expect to hear a "It's the best place to be."

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    Good to have a quality individual like Mr. Holmoe as the AD. His willingness to suffer critcism, while just doing a good job is appreciated. Providing the opportunity for fans to actually watch their team on TV is great. Hope the best for all the programs, and that as the coaching staff continues to mature more wins against quality teams occur. It is difficult for teams in this region to play quality opponents. Notice that even Utah in the mighty PAC-12 had about the same level of competition. Two good teams USC and Washington, one mediocre team- the Y and the rest were bad. Its best competition USC lost to Texas which was the Y's best competition. The Y was 1-1 vs the PAC-12 losing to the very average Utah team and winning against a poor OSU team on the road. No one that I have heard is complaining about the U's schedule and yet its winning came against teams every bit as bad as those the Y won against at the end of the season.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    I think B.Y.U. football will be just fine. Holmoe did the best he could with the schedule he had to put together and the WAC was the only conference which allowed us to do so. He even stated that next year is the last year of a WAC heavy schedule. Two years from now the bowl contracts change and the BCS will make changes that will effect the coveted AQ status. We have a great contract with ESPN and they have said that if B.Y.U. wins their games they will have a seat at the BCS table. Holmoe is well aware that to keep the fans coming to LES you have to get quality opponents and after next year's WAC schedule we will see an improvement.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 3, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Re: Helloo
    USC lost to Texas?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 3, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Fan32

    Fair enough. But let me illustrate the flip side.

    I am an insurance agent. Sometimes I have unhappy clients because their claim was denied. They talk in public to my other clients about how bad my company is. Privacy laws prevent me from telling the other side of the story. But it's also ethical and good business sense, even though a part of me wants to tell everyone why it's not my fault.

    Tom could publicly defend himself and BYU against decisions made by the big 12 and the big east. Or he can take a beating from some fans and keep good relations with conferences, because the changes aren't finished. It's good ethics and good business sense.

  • texas27 Arlington, TX
    Jan. 3, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Texas AD said BYU was to be invited to the Big 12 before TCU was picked. I believe Tom Holmoe should explain why BYU went from first choice to uninvited. He wasn't much of a head coach and I think his performance as an Athletic Director is less than adequate. BYU has a great head coach and he gets a lot out of the talent they are able to recruit.His team gives a great effort with few exceptions. Anyone who's ever participated in sports knows some days you have a clunker. I don't think the administration provides the proper support which will eventually cost us a winning coach.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    @texas27

    "I believe Tom Holmoe should explain why BYU went from first choice to uninvited."

    No need to have Tom Holmoe explain...we already know why. The reason is because BYU refused to make concessions. BYU thought they could push around a major conference on the basis of their history and reputation, which apparently isn't as fearsome as they originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of fact.

    Unfortunately for BYU fans, Holmoe made the bed and now you guys have to sleep in it.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    I can live with these results for Year 1 of Independence (yes, even the loss to Utah - I don't have to like that one, but I can live with it)...

    If Year 5 of Independence (assuming there IS a Year 5) has us right back at the Armed Forces Bowl after a 9-3 regular season...I might not be so thrilled...I'm willing to watch and wait.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Holmoe takes the high road when talking about negotiations which frustrates some BYU fans and confuses the ute fans who don't know what a high road is. If BYU lowered it academic standards it would be more competitive (look and the Utah players who didn't qualify), but they have other priorities. Hang in there T.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    "BYU thought they could push around a major conference on the basis of their history and reputation, which apparently isn't as fearsome as they originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of fact."

    It's a statement of fact because YOU were in the meetings, weren't you? Since you know so many "facts" about BYU and the Big 12 and Big East, why don't you give us more detail on how the meetings went? Until you can prove that it is actually fact, it IS just smack talk. Y Grad/Y Dad explained it well with the insurance agent analogy. It seems you think that Holmoe can't hide any secrets from you.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    I think Tom has done a good job setting up Year One in such a short amount of time. His success in procuring a relationship with ESPN as well as 3 years of bowl games surprised many naysayers.

    I have really enjoyed being able to watch the team play this year. And, if they do in fact go to the two bowls lined up for 2012 and 2013, my hubby and I are getting a babysitter and going on a road trip! I love my Cougs!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    First point: Another independant football school, Notre Dame has won 13 national championships so far! So, tell us again why BYU could never win another NC? Of course they can. The same as ANY other school in any BCS conference. All they have to do is win all their games, perhaps two years in a row!
    Second point: All you who think BYU is irrelavant fail to understand one very important thing about BYU. There are more important things in life than sports! Shocking to some, I know but it really is true!

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    It's interesting to note the amount of trolls who think they know the reason BYU was not invited to the Big 12. I beleive one said "because they weren't willing to make exceptions'. BYU dosen't make exceptions, it's their way or no way...many folks still don't get that. And at the end of the day, you can have your mighty conference affiliation that will dictate their liberal policies on your institution...ie; changing your drum and feathers, or you can stick to your core values and principles...it's up to you. It's obvious what BYU chooses to do, and it drives many people nuts, because in the end BYU is no ones lap dog.

  • hornetfan declo, id
    Jan. 3, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    Ever notice how a Utah article has a very few remarks to it one way or the other, though usually from Utah fans...Yet BYU articles draw the ire of the deep. Genius type people who have all the answers and the questions. As a fan and an old coach...you play who you are scheduled to play. You play with who you have regardless of how they ended up and you work as much as possible to better both. Athletes at all levels don't always get things the way they like it or wanted it. That's life too. How many games have I watched this past week in bowl games where a story was stated about a player who "waited their turn", "suffered through hardship", to get a chance their senior year or their fifth year. Life and athletics isn't fair. Someone else gets to make the decisions. Holmoe does fine, Mendenhall and staff do fine, the schedule is what it is and all the arm chair complaining isn't going to change that. Congrats to Utah and BYU for their wins and good luck in the future.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Wayne Rout:

    "Next year will be a disaster if nothing changes."

    Not so Wayne. Nothing WILL change. The cougars will continue to play a WAC-lite schedule, and win all those cupcake games. That's not considered a disaster by coaches like Lance Reynolds, who proclaimed proudly, "Winning 10 games is a very hard thing to do. It is a great accomplishment for any football team." Even the fans, like "Y Grad / Y Dad" watched the cougars take down all those WAC teams, and win the Idaho "state championship" and say, "I look at the first year, and...I'm pleased." He's "PLEASED"! Pleased to beat up on a bunch of nobodies, just as long as they get 10-wins. And Bronco and Holmoe KNOW this. So why would anything change?

    If the cougars "changed" their model -- which Bronco himself stated, "the model has been set" -- in response to Hawai'i backing in to the BCS back in 2007-08 -- then that would mean fewer than 10-wins. And THAT would be the disaster. Cougar fans can't process that. Don't you remember all the excuses from the prior year's 6-6 [thanks Chad Bunn] season? And how in 2011, Jake Heaps would take the college football world by storm? Don't you remember all those comments about how a 1-loss cougar team would for-sure get a BCS bowl invite? Do you really think the cougars could ever even DREAM of an undefeated or 1-loss season if anything DOES change? Certainly not. The cougars need to keep things just as they are: beat up on cupcakes, win 10-games, and blame religious bigotry for never being worthy of even WATCHING a BCS game, much less playing in one.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    "In hindsight, it went well," Holmoe said"

    What went well?? You get left out of the BIG 12, the PAC 12, the BIG East and you lose your best QB prospect to Kansas. You play a bunch of barely Div 1 teams at home this year and you have to suffer through another year of having a running QB that can't throw the ball. Is recruiting better now? Is BYU's chances of being in a BCS conference better now? What exactly went well????

  • GJ Greenwood, IN
    Jan. 3, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Eastcoastcoug,
    BYU only played one football game on BYUtv all season (two if you count the Oregon State Game which wouldn't have been broadcast at all otherwise). All of the other home games were on an ESPN channel. Even non-LDS can watch BYUtv, since it is already available on most basic cable packages nationwide, and can also be enjoyed on-line the BYUtv website. I'm sure you have your own standard for what entails "exposure", but you can't argue that their exposure isn't better as a result of going independent than it was in the MWC.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    Truth is--moving to independence is a non-trivial task. BYU had a soft schedule--but did not have much time to put one together. BYU's football schedule gets more difficult from year to year.

    I believe 10-3 with a nice last-minute win in their bowl game is a tremendous accomplishment, especially if you consider how badly Doman was as OC this year. He's lucky Riley bailed him out. But that's what teammates do--bail each other out. And the composure behind the last BYU drive of the year in the bowl game--impressive.

    Congratulations on a great season, BYU.

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Jan. 3, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    I'm pleased with this season too. Not elated. Not pumped. Just pleased. I'll remember a lot of plays from this season. Some candidates.

    1. Van Noy's forced fumble and recovery for TD against Ole Miss.
    2. The final drive against USU (aka Riley plays "500" with his receivers)
    3. Hoffman's downfield block against UCF, springing DiLuigi for a TD.
    4. Riley's 2 point conversion against TCU, including the high five to the line judge.
    5. Riley scrambles, Reynolds blocks, Hoffman catches and dives for the TD.
    6. The fake spike.

    One thing about this team, and maybe about this program is becoming that the defense will keep BYU in games. I was worried at the beginning of the year that they would wear out, and they didn't. They were dependable to the end.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 3, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    @Pugman

    I actually agree with what you're saying. BYU doesn't make exceptions, it's their way or no way, and they aren't anyone's lapdog. But if you aren't willing to play nicely with the other kids, it can have a less-than-desireable outcome (like going from Big12 expansion target to not being one, for instance).

    That's great if you want your school to dig in its heels - I've got no issues with that. But then you forfeit your right to be outraged when nobody else will put up with it. Don't expect to be a stick in the mid and have everyone else like it.

    FYI, the drum & feather debate at Utah was internal...it had nothing to do with the conference. And the U just announced they're keeping the drum & feather on their Twitter account about an hour ago.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Funny that so many Ute fans are laughing at the fact that BYU got a 10-win season by beating up on WAC teams. How often did Utah get 10 wins or more playing a WAC schedule? After all, they were in the WAC for many years. Since the Utes are so much better than BYU, and since BYU has many 10+ win seasons, surely Utah must have numerous 10+ win seasons from all the years they were in the WAC!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    Utah and their fans have moved onward and upward, away from the WAC. You moved back in. THAT's what's so funny.

  • WaybackCougar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    I agree that it wasn't one of those really great seasons but you're out in left field if you can't admit that it turned out to be a good one. A hard-fought bowl win against a respectable opponent most certainly boosts it from "average" to "good" in my book. Most of the local sports columnists were predicting a 8-5 or 9-4 season, so this team exceeded expectations of the non-blue-goggled. A one point loss to Texas at Texas is no shame and if we'd had the kicking game we had against Tulsa then TCU would have been close as well.

    The loss to Utah was the only major disappointment. We seem to suffer a blowout every year. IMO that's the only major thing that clearly needs fixing but it is indeed a major one.

    If Heaps was mishandled it was in promoting him to starter too soon. He shouldn't have even been in the mix as a freshman and that, IMHO, is the major lesson to be learned. And while Doman clearly had a steep learning curve as OC, it *was* poor play that got Heaps benched.

    The comments about the schedule and playing easy teams could be applied to *any* season. The only real difference between this year and the past is that all the easy games came in November. The WAC bottom dwellers were no different from those of the MWC and the schedule taken as a whole wasn't much different than usual. Even without a conference, after years one and two the schedule promises to be better than it's ever been.

    Opposing fans have been commenting on the quality of BYUtv broadcasts. Maybe the rest of the sports world just needs some time to see what it is we're trying to protect by "being difficult." If we keep winning we'll get in a great conference when the time is right. Here's to some great years ahead!

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    Goodness, to Brave Robin and all the other Ute trolls: as best as I could tell from all the Big XII local newspapers and what was stated by BYU, the only exception BYU did not make was the Sunday play, which as EVERYONE knows, will never be allowed. Fox tv said that they did not want the Cougs if they would not play on Sunday as it might upset future tv scheduling. That was it. You think they wanted TCU and WVU because of all their fans, their huge stadiums and their other issues? no, it was because they had to have 10 teams due to the tv contract and the tv people said no to BYU. If the Big XII goes to 12 or more teams in the future, then we'll see if the tv people feel the same way or not.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    "Funny that so many Ute fans are laughing at the fact that BYU got a 10-win season by beating up on WAC teams. How often did Utah get 10 wins or more playing a WAC schedule? After all, they were in the WAC for many years. Since the Utes are so much better than BYU, and since BYU has many 10+ win seasons, surely Utah must have numerous 10+ win seasons from all the years they were in the WAC!"

    How many times has BYU been to the BCS playing WAC teams? At least Utah's been their twice and finish ranked in the top 5 capping undefeated seasons. 10 win seasons mean nothing other than putting your Indy.500 team in a below average bowl game.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    re:Riverton Cougar

    Utah is vastly different today than a decade ago when it was playing all those WAC teams. Even as a long time BYU fan I have to admit that Utah has past BYU in football. Utah football will only get better and better as Arizona State did when it left the WAC. BYU is in a tough spot recruiting wise since any blue chip Utah recruit will opt for Utah now being that they get to play in the PAC 12 AND play close to home. BYU has to change - and fast. Staying independent is going to kill the football program eventually. BYU could have had the opportunity to join the BIG 12 (according to ESPN) but talks fell through when the home TV contract came up. How dumb is that? Would you rather watch BYU play Idaho on ESPN or get to see BYU play Oklahoma? It's almost as if BYU is afraid to join up with a conference that it can't dominate which again is really dumb.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    With all due respect (which aint much) to anyone in St. George, Cottonwood Heights or Cedar Hills, you don't have a dog in this fight. You people have no clue about the character, ability, and professionalism of Tom Holmoe or men like him. Nevertheless, thanks for proving everyone's point both in and outside of the State of Utah that BYU is nationally relevant.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Jan. 3, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    This was a good year. Yes, no big wins over the rival and good teams, but was a good year at 10-3. Nelson was and is the Man. BYU was too slow in making that change, but they changed when they had to and it saved a bad loss. There were no losses against bad teams. BYU blew it again the Utes but hopefully they will have their day next fall. The exposure is good on TV, it is hard to forgot the days of missing games and the feeling of going back in time having to listen to the radio. This from a true fan, blue through and through.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    patriot says "BYU could have had the opportunity to join the BIG 12 (according to ESPN) but talks fell through when the home TV contract came up."

    About a month ago, in a Deseret News article, Tom Holmoe said there was never an invitation from the Big 12, and talks never got to the point of discussing television contracts "contrary to what some are reporting" (i.e. ESPN).

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    With the exception of the TCU, Texas and Utah games, this was a great year.

    Looking forward to next year already.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 3, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin | 11:11 a.m. Jan. 3, 2012
    San Diego, CA

    I agree whole-heartedly with where you live, not much else.

    "BYU refused to make concessions."

    This may be true. I can live with that.

    "BYU thought they could push around a major conference on the basis of their history and reputation..."

    No, pushing around is a harsh way to say standing for the things you believe in. No Sunday play? Sorry, non-negotiable, at least for BYU. Television rights? Hmmmm, now that IS interesting. Ankle-biters say NO team keeps their television rights from the conference, I think BYU sees this as a trend of the future.

    Pushing around? No.

    Non-negotiable? We'll see if this is a concession BYU should have made or not, but the answer will take years, not hours, to become obvious.

    "...which apparently isn't as fearsome as they originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of fact."

    Conjecture, not fact. But if you like, you could admit that for the first year of independence, BYU's schedule, record and bowl game were all better than the ankle-biters originally predicted.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    Mountanman asked "First point: Another independant football school, Notre Dame has won 13 national championships so far! So, tell us again why BYU could never win another NC?"
    Notre Dame hasn't won a title since 1988!!! Why is that? Because the days of easy NC's are over. There is more scrutiny on college football (probably taking the fun out of it). Today the benchmark is "you need to be an SEC school", or play a schedule worthy of the SEC.

    Can BYU win another NC? Sure. But they need to be more like Notre Dame.
    Notre Dame played 10 BCS teams this year. BYU played just 4. Four!!
    Sure, the move to independence means scrambling to fill the schedule, but BYU must schedule mostly BCS opponents to get national respect and a shot at the title.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Hellllo,

    No one is complaining about the UTES schedule, because all of the teams the UTES played, including Montana State could easily beat & most likely murder everyone on the Y's schedule except for Texas, and TCU. Other than those teams, you didn't play a single good team. You and Tulsa were exactly alike. The UTES, when they had their starting QB in the lineup competed with, and almost beat USC on the road, and they were beating Washington before he got hurt. I am not saying that we would have won that game, or the others that we lost, but there would have been a much greater chance. Heaps would have dont the same thing Riley did against the teams you played. The only game Riley won for you that Heaps would not have was the Utah St game. No one is complaining about the UTES schedule, because it was about 70 points harder in strength of schedule than the Y's was.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 3, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    I like Tom. We were in several study groups together in college. So I have to defend him. ;-)

    He gets very high marks in my book for setting up the independent deal with ESPN. Major Coup.

    But he does have a tendency of speaking to the media without saying anything.

    If i were to speculate, I would guess that Holmoe doesn't really get to call the shots here. I think that he personally would be willing to make some reasonable concessions to get into a BCS conf, but I think the Board of Trustees and President are driving a harder line when it comes to BYUTv and broadcasting rights. The Big 12 deal didn't really get off the ground because of the Sunday play issue. It was just too much trouble for the Big 12 to rearrange schedules just for 1 school. And with the Big 12 it was all major sports or nothing. The Big East didn't have much to offer except for a shot at a BCS Bowl game, which doesn't seem to be all that important to the BOT. Sorry fans. that is just the way it is.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    Levin,

    I remember some great plays to from this year.

    1.Jake misses the snap, picks the ball up and tries to throw it, only to fumble again, then does some ninja, monkey, barrel roll over the ball, only to have Derrick Shelby land on it for a TD.
    2. Nelson gets sacked, and VJ Fehoko runs the ball back for a TD.
    3. Byu fumbles the ball
    4. Byu fumbles the ball again.
    5. Byu fumbles the ball yet again.
    6. Juan Blanco runs through the defense of a deflated Y team that has given up for 2 long TD runs.

    The Y's defense would have worn out had they actually played some real teams after the Utah game. The only game that was against legit competition after the Utah game was against TCU. The D gave up in the Utah game, and would ahve given up in other games, but they were so easy, the backups got to play most of the game.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Jan. 3, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    @ Naval, if you think BYU took a step backward, just glance into the HC and look at your b-ball program. That's the true definition of backward. The U could never schedule anyone with the short notice BYU had, nor end up in a bowl game. BYU will be just fine...even without Heaps.

    Now go support your b-ball program and show up to a game or two.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    "Utah and their fans have moved onward and upward, away from the WAC."

    Without ever going undefeated in the WAC, they managed to move onward. Have they moved onward and upward from Colorado?

    "Even as a long time BYU fan I have to admit that Utah has past BYU in football. Utah football will only get better and better as Arizona State did when it left the WAC."

    IF you are a BYU fan, you are an extremely pessimistic one. You rarely, if ever, say anything good about BYU, at least not recently. Anyway, if Utah has passes BYU, wouldn't they have more 10-win seasons? Wouldn't Wittingham have a better record than Bronco? I'll secede that Utah has been better at winning the big games, but Bronco has never been shut out by UNLV, nor has BYU lost to a team with a 2-10 record at the time.

  • IndyWACer 500 Eureka, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar,

    "Without ever going undefeated in the WAC, they managed to move onward. Have they moved onward and upward from Colorado?"

    Colorado is in the PAC, not the WAC. Watch your P's and W's.
    Check your facts.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    Pavalova:

    "The U could never schedule anyone with the short notice BYU had, nor end up in a bowl game."

    Really? You don't think the U could have lined up a schedule chocked full with the worst teams in the WAC? How could we NOT? How could ANY D-1 team not? We might have even done better.

    You don't think that the team with the winningest bowl record [as a percentage of games played with at least 10 bowls] couldn't have worked out a deal with one of the worst bowl games in the postseason? How could we NOT? The 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes would have MOST LIKELY done better. Utah's final 5 yrs in the MWC had season records of 8-5, 9-4, 13-0, 10-3, and 10-3. If we can average 10-wins/yr playing a MWC schedule, how could we do any worse playing a WAC-lite one? Epic fail on your part.

    "Now go support your b-ball program and show up to a game or two."

    Okay Einstein. And why don't you try to MapQuest the distance between Philadelphia and the Huntsman Center, then get back to me.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their history; the cougars only had 1. True, none Utah's perfect seasons were accomplished while we were in the WAC, but 2 were done while in the MWC...where I might add, the cougars had never finished undefeated. No wonder you all decided to "quit" and move back to the WAC. And since BSU moved out, you saw the opportunity to finally achieve what Utah, Boise St, TCU, and Hawai'i have all done 7 times within the past 9 yrs. Jealous cougs.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    "The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their history; the cougars only had 1."

    And with only 1 undefeated season, BYU got a national championship. Yet with 7 attempts at a perfect season, Utah still has none. Now tell me, which team is more relevant?

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    "if Utah has passes BYU, wouldn't they have more 10-win seasons? Wouldn't Wittingham have a better record than Bronco?"

    That is easy to do when you play a bunch of nobody's.

    I'll secede that Utah has been better at winning the big games, but Bronco has never been shut out by UNLV, nor has BYU lost to a team with a 2-10 record at the time".

    Whitt has never lost to Utah State.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    @P12

    Bronco is undefeated against the perennial bottom dwellers of the MWC.

    Kyle has lost to every one of them - Wyoming, CSU, New Mexico, and that humiliating shutout to UNLV(2-10) 0-27.

    Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss team; Kyle has lost to them twice.

    btw, it's hard to lose to the Aggies when you're too scared to schedule them anymore.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:10 a.m.

    "The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their history"

    Sounds impressive, until you dig a little deeper to discover that...

    5 of Utah's 7 undefeated seasons came during the leather helmet era when Utah barely played what is considered half a season by today's standards:

    1926 7-0
    1928 5-0-2, SHUT OUT by BYU, 0-0; TIED by Creighton 7-7
    1929 7-0
    1930 8-0
    1940 6-0-2, TIED by BYU, 6-6; SHUT OUT by Denver, 0-0

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    @Naval Vet. "Jealous Cougs"? And who's article are you comenting on? I think you just defined jealousy.

    The Cougars won 10 games, Holmoe thinks it is a good season and many Cougar fans are looking forward to better schedules in future years. I am happy with independance. Better teams in future years.

    Oh, about playing Utah if the PAC goes against the Big 10. Good, then the schedule is more open to playing exciting football teams. When Cougar fans read these boards they (hopefully) do not have to read anti Cougar rants from the under the bridge club. Good Riddance.

    Time for the Football team to work out, bulk up and bigger and stronger for next years season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2012 2:17 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    "Yet with 7 attempts at a perfect season, Utah still has none. Now tell me, which team is more relevant?"

    Easy. The one with 2 BCS bowl trophies who was "Fully Invited" to the cougars' first choice of conferences.

    Back when Utah was a member of the MWC, it was oft repeated by sports broadcasters that UTAH was the winningest non-AQ team vs. schools from BCS conferences amid the BCS era. Nobody has ever said that about the cougars. And why would they? The cougars are simply less relevant.

    Now that Utah is in the Pac-12, sports broadcasters no longer make that comparison. TCU now holds that title...at least until next season when they finally pass that torch to Navy. Now, it's noted, time and time again, that Utah has the highest postseason winning percentage among all FBS teams who have played in at least 10 postseason games. And of course, nobody ever mentions the cougars when talking about postseason success. With a sub-.500 postseason record, it simply isn't worth mentioning. The cougars are simply less relevant. And that's why they played in the 4th worst bowl game of 2011.

  • DrewtheUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:27 a.m.

    @ Riverton Coug

    You're right about byu never losing to a 2-10 team. They only lost to a WINLESS team (the year after winning a "national championship") -- See UTEP 1985.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 4, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    I think BYU will be pretty good next year. Their defense is really good. The offense will be ... unpredictable. Will Riley stay healthy? Will the new kid from Stanford push him out? Will Doman continue the upward trajectory? Can they will all of those tough road games?

    I can see another 10-win year. I think they will be better than they were this year.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Pugman,

    Byu is someones lap dog. They are the mighty bcs's lap dog. If they did not care about the bcs, or making it to a bcs game, they would do away with sports like BYU Idaho did. They want a seat at the bcs table, but they cannot have one. They are not in the Big 12, or the Big East, not because they dont want to be someones lap dog, because they think they are better than everyone else, and they think they are the top dog. With the schedule that the Y has, even in 2013 after they are done with their WAC contract, they still will have games against the patty cake teams of college football world. The fact remains that under Roscoe and the current coaching staff the Y cannot beat the upper echelon teams of college football. Their biggest win was against Oklahoma when they were in a down year, and were a middle of the pack Big 12 team. Other than 2008, Bronco and his teams come out of the gate slow, lose 2 or some games out of their first 3-4, they will have nothing to play for from there on

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 4, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I think the question is for BYU fans is what exactly are your expectations? Are they to win a NC? or go to a BCS bowl? YOu guys will never have the athletes to compete for a title. It doesn't matter who the QB is or maybe the better talent at WR there are just too many missing peices in that puzzle to have a BCS or NC season. Sure you can have a good season but 3/4 of the season was against bad teams. So I am trying to understand the comments by some of the BYU fans on here because I feel they are way to high. I think some of you are happy about the season and then some of you feel disappointed . . ? You went 10-3? Smile! That's your ceiling.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    crowntown1,

    Very well said.

    Football powerhouses all have one thing in common: They give their fans what they want- winning seasons against good teams, with conference championships every now and then, and a BCS bowl as much as you can. Now, this is virtually impossible for BYU, for exposure was more important to them. Yes, the exposure Friday afternoons on workdays and Saturday nights at 8 pm, and also the byutv to expose the team to just more LDS.

    Nice job, Tommy. Since I'm a Ute fan, you can stay. If I were a BYU fan, I'd want you out of there. You, Bronco and Doman for sure.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    @ SportsFan

    " it's hard to lose to the Aggies when you're too scared to schedule them anymore".

    Utah will start playing Utah State this year for the next four years. Check the facts before you open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

    Utah will soon be playing one Big Ten team a year. What makes the Utes scared to play the Aggies when they haven't beaten us since 1997?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Hypes must NOT have thought very much of BYU's continuing march towards Irrelevance.

    Before Y fans chirp about how he didn't have a strong work ethic, he felt entitled, or sought more playing time, remember that he left all things familiar (coaches, players, school, offense, etc.) to redshirt a year for a 2-10 BCS bottom feeder that went 0-9 in conference play. He could have stayed at BYU and sat out a year, but built upon what he already had done for the last 2 years. Instead, he thought the program wasn't worth sticking around for.

    Fun fact: Ga Tech beat KS 66-24

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 4, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE:

    I wouldn't call the Indy-WACers "lapdogs". I see them more as one of those stray dogs that nobody wanted.

  • neimfrence layton, ut
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    Too many posters here are over-glorifying the past. If you go back and check the past 30+ seasons (I did), BYU is as good today as they ever have been.

    It is true that BYU had many signature wins under Lavell, but they were spread out over many seasons. The doubters are judging the current team under the compression of time that occurs in memory. Bronco's teams have actually had proportionately as many signature wins (Oklahoma, Oregon bowl, Oregon State bowl, tougher Utah wins) for the comparatively shorter duration.

    A lot of the criticism of Bronco is frustration by BYU fans because his tenure has coincided with the ascension of TCU and Utah. But the truth is that for 2011 BYU actually finished with a higher ranking than Utah in every single poll, most notably the highly respected Sagarin computer rating. Thus, despite the blowout loss, every significant analyst and computer program ranked BYU's 2011 body of work higher than Utah's.

    Everybody rails on BYU's weak schedule, but it's curious to note that BYU had essentially the same SOS as TCU - who finished 11-2 and #20(Sag). More significantly, had BYU had some decent special-teams play in the TCU game, they likely would have finished the season with TCU's ranking.

    This was a good 10-3 BYU team - as good as any of LaVell's 10-3 teams. They are an excellent young team with a great future.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    "Whitt has never lost to Utah State."

    They would have if they played USU last year, and they could lose this year. Besides, USU is better than UNLV, and BYU didn't get shutout.

    "Easy. The one with 2 BCS bowl trophies who was "Fully Invited" to the cougars' first choice of conferences.'

    Wow, after seeing those BCS bowl trophies, people start wondering why anyone would want a national championship! And Utah was "fully invited" on the PAC's terms, and Utah has admitted that they're too afraid to try to negotiate their own terms (such as Sunday play). Why? Because they aren't in a position to. BYU is, or else the Big East and Big 12 would have shut down BYU without even agreeing to negotiate and discuss the options.

    "You're right about byu never losing to a 2-10 team. They only lost to a WINLESS team (the year after winning a "national championship") -- See UTEP 1985."

    Don't expect to join the game at half time and play. We were talking about the current coaches (i.e. Wittingham and Mendenhall). The only time Bronco played UTEP, they had a winning record and BYU beat them 52-24.

    "Now, it's noted, time and time again, that Utah has the highest postseason winning percentage among all FBS teams who have played in at least 10 postseason games."

    So clearly, since Utah has a better bowl winning percentage than Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, etc., they are better than them all! Is that right, or am I resorting to faulty logic?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    It is so funny, 3/4 of the comments are by ute fans that are BYU haters and their comments prove it. Sad scenario. Inferiority complex for sure.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    I notice motorbike isn't here calling out all of the utah trolls. Oh I am positive he has read all the comments on this thread, he just uses his crimson colored glasses to either filter them all out or else they help him to read them all as classy compliments toward BYU.

    LOL!

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    The world of NCAA Athletics does not rotate around byu. Your comments are so one sided that you forget to think of what you are saying. Playing on Sunday is not an issue with Utah, they have teams that have been doing it now for quite sometime. Come on Buddy, you guys beat USU we beat you by 44 pts. The Vegas game was 5 years ago, that's 5 bowl games (One being a BCS game). And the biggest thing you have to remember is that yo are not resorting to faulty logic, Utah is better then THEM all.

    The Big East and Big 12 ended up not wanting BYU, nobody does. You guys have your own rules and that is great but don't complain that you have been kicked out of the sand pile. The conferences and schools that you want to be like also have thier own rules, and we all know that byu does not play well with others. If they had they wouldn't be in the situation that they are. Football you're nobody playing for nothing, YEA INDY. There is absolutly no-way byu beats the U next year, I promise you.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    @mlh well said well said

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    "And the biggest thing you have to remember is that yo are not resorting to faulty logic, Utah is better then THEM all."

    I rest my case. Utah is clearly the best football team to ever exist, and you have helped me see the light.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Re: Riverton Cougar

    Actually SC has the most with 31. And also has most BCS wins.