I'm a big BYU fan, but it is no huge honor to brag about winning three bowls in
a row when they are the LV Bowl, the NM Bowl and the AF Bowl.... It's like
braging about 5 wins in a row when our competition was Big Sky and WAC
opponents... We're expected to win those games.I am still hugely
disappointed by the fact that we didn't capitalize on our opportunity to join a
BCS Conference.... I believe that it will soon hurt this Program and our ability
to Recruit. I know the "Pollyanna" segments of the Cougar
Nation ignore this missed opportunity and simply blow it off, but I believe that
it will hurt us down the road... Right now we are viewed in many circles of the
NCAA as Prima Donna's and that will also soon begin to negatively impact our
scheduling capabilities... I am personally not very high on Holmoe
or Samuelson and on how they handled the Conference Membership negotiations....
I use to be a Corporate Labor Negotiator in my working life and I am pretty sure
that if I got Holmoe-like results back then, my career would have been over much
I find it amusing that the MWC has applied for BCS membership. The conference
was a strong contender with BYU, Utah, TCU and Air Force. Adding Boise State
made BCS membership almost a given, until Utah abandoned the conference and the
remaining teams started to look for better options. With four of the top five
teams now out of the MWC, I don't even understand how the MWC can think they
would be considered. Wyoming would now be considered one of the top
three teams in the MWC, and their defeat to Temple shows where the conference
As for BYU, I like their chances against Tulsa. I think both teams have high
powered offenses that are capable of scoring a lot of points. The difference in
the two teams will be BYU's front seven. I think they will stop Tulsa's running
game and force them into a one dimensional passing attack. If BYU minimizes
errors and limits turnovers, the Cougs should have their third straight bowl
victory and finish the season ranked in the Top 25 with another 10 win
season.Predication: BYU 34, Tulsa 24On the whole, this
has to be considered a successful Indy debut and certainly a more successful
season than the team up north finished with.
poyman Thanks for your reasoned comments without froth. I hate to
admit it, but I am probably one of the Pollyanna's you are referring to. I was
(am) concerned about the long-term viability of either conference, their BCS
standing or even the BCS for that matter, yet over all, I would not have been
disappointed to read of the Y's acceptance into either conference.I
do not have the vantage point of having participated in union negotiations, but
my employment has kept me close to, with a vested interest in, Education
Association negotiations, and I understand the concept of make-or-break
benefits. Things that are non-negotiable.It will be interesting to
see if BYU clung tightly to an impossible dream all the way to rock bottom, or
if they were the pioneer willing to take a few arrows for a benefit that some
day will become standard fare for the Texas's, Notre Dame's and, yes, USC's of
the world. Like the cliche says, "In a world of change, you either ride
the wave or are crushed by it."
Implicit in poyman's critique is that BYU has played Oregon State, Oregon, Cal,
UCLA, Arizona, and UTEP in Bronco's tenure. Some of LaVell's notable bowl
losses wre to undefeated Marshall and Tulane teams that would get a BCS bid
today, as well as Ohio State (3 times), Texas A&M, and Penn State squads.
It's good to win the bowl games now, but we really are playing in a different
@Levinso since byu played them and they were undefeated that year makes
them automatically bcs contenders? you sure about that?
SportsmanAlmost all undefeated teams outside a BCS conference have gotten
BCS bids in the past 8 years. It has nothing to do with the fact that they
played BYU in a bowl and Levin did not claim that. Don't you have anything to
contribute to the comment boards other than your dis-respect for your obsession.
BYU was playing in bowl games back when Bowl bids were hard to come by. When
teams with 8 or 9 wins frequently did not get bowl bids.I think you need
to be a little more mature if you want to sit at the grown-ups table.
Independence was a bold step for BYU and one that fits their needs and mission.
Playing in the Armed Forces Bowl, even if it isn't against a "BCS"
school (a grossly overstated qualification, by the way), gives them national tv
exposure, a payday that they don't have to share with a conference and another
game for loyal fans to see. The true spirit of athletic competition shouldn't
require that a team play in a game annointed by a corporate monopoly that would
be illegal in any other enterprise. I will be happy to see the BCS meet its
demise--good riddance to bad rubbish as the old saying goes. In the meantime, I
will enjoy the great competition that my independent university has lined up in
the coming years. Free from conference obligations, BYU can schedule games with
the best programs in the country and like, every other team, will schedule some
weaker but worthy opponents who will enjoy the national stage for a day. Go
@ poyman"I am still hugely disappointed by the fact that we
didn't capitalize on our opportunity to join a BCS Conference.... I believe that
it will soon hurt this Program and our ability to Recruit."BYU's ability to recruit will hardly be affected by not being in a BCS
conference. The only thing that will hurt BYU recruiting is if they stop
winning. BYU's performance on the field is the only thing that will hinder
their recruiting. If BYU goes 12-1, 11-2, 13-0 the next 3 years do you really
think recruits would be turned off by the fact BYU is not in a BCS conference?
No, they will get the same recruits they always have. Now, if BYU goes 8-5,
7-6, 8-5 the next 3 years.... that might affect recruiting negatively,
especially with USU on the rise.
@poyman"I know the "Pollyanna" segments of the Cougar
Nation ignore this missed opportunity and simply blow it off.... I use to be a
Corporate Labor Negotiator in my working life and I am pretty sure that if I got
Holmoe-like results back then, my career would have been over much sooner."
Hmmm...so name calling and insulting those that disagree with you
was a common labor negotiating ploy that got you successful results back then?
Maybe Holmoe and Samuelson can try that going forward and call names
and hurl insults at those who disagree with them when negotiating conference
memberships in the future and see how far that gets them.btw, Merry
Christmas to all!
@YGrad/YDad"In a world of change, you either ride the wave or are
crushed by it."awesome quote!
Must respond to the comment above: "On the whole, this has to be considered
a successful Indy debut and certainly a more successful season than the team up
north finished with." Sorry, but any season in which BYU loses to
Utah 54-10 at Lavell Edwards Stadium is not more successful than the season of
the team up north. That one embarassing loss trumps overall win-loss records.
That one humiliating loss skews my Cougar world's axis. I am a lifelong Cougar
fan, and this is my opinion. I am hoping Riley Nelson can lead the Boys in Blue
and set my Cougar world's axis back to its proper position next fall at
I have seen every BYU bowl game from the very first one against Oklahoma State.
The world was much different then. PAC8 members went to the Rose Bowl or
nothing. There were only a dozen or so bowls, and they were named things like
Rose, Sugar, Gator, Bluebonnet, Tangerine, Holiday, etc. BYU "owned"
the Holiday Bowl, which by the late 80s seemed like the Vegas Bowl to us. Yawn
... another Holiday Bowl. Wouldn't we like to get into a Holiday Bowl again? But
sadly, it is a PAC12-Big12 lockup.Frankly, I'm glad we don't have a
conference-affiliated bowl to go to. I'll take what we can get, and if we're
12-0 or 11-1, we'll get a good bowl.
Look at the positive side: BYU will be THE only team from the state of Utah to
win a bowl game this year...even if it is a "less-than-glamorous"
bowl. Utah has a much chance of winning their bowl game as the
proverbial snowball in south Texas.
The BCS was around when the Y played Tulane in '98 and Marshall in '99. Both
finished undefeated, neither received a BCS bowl bid. Tulane was 10th in the
final BCS standings, Marshall 12th.
@BigCougar....Wow, you are an easily offended soul.... Being a
"Pollyanna" (an I guess that's what you mean by name calling) simply
means that you are a fan that agrees with everything that the Administration and
coaching staff decide and would consider a criticism or even feedback that is
less than 100% positive a "sin" or "Armchair
Quarterbacking"....I think that most people wouldn't consider
that an insult but simply a label of True Blue Loyalty without having to write
out 100 words of Description like I just did...And by the way. My
career went quite well, thanks....Perhaps you might want to consider
the definition for "Over-Reaction"???
SoCalTrueBlue2 | 2:03 p.m. Dec. 21, 2011 San Diego, CA "Sorry, but any season in which BYU loses to Utah 54-10 at Lavell Edwards
Stadium is not more successful than the season of the team up north. That one
embarassing loss trumps overall win-loss records. That one humiliating loss
skews my Cougar world's axis... I am hoping Riley Nelson can lead the Boys in
Blue and set my Cougar world's axis back to its proper position next fall at
Rice-Eccles Stadium."Exactly.A bowl victory, ending
with 10 wins and ranked in the top 25, Riley making it fun to watch BYU football
again, and underneath it all is terrible painful scar.let's roll |
4:33 p.m. Dec. 21, 2011 LEHI, UT "The BCS was around when
the Y played Tulane in '98 and Marshall in '99. Both finished undefeated,
neither received a BCS bowl bid. Tulane was 10th in the final BCS standings,
Marshall 12th."Exactly!Nice research. And this is
why the BCS is wicked and should be stabbed through the heart with a sprig of
SoCalTrueBlue2 you sound like a ute fan! We had a bad game against our rival and
you count that as our whole season? WOW, are you sure you are a
"trueblue" fan. If we went 11-1 and that loss was to the utes by that
same score, would you say that our season was a loss? Pull your head out of the
sand and be a sports fan. These are young men we are talking about and if they
lose to a rival, so what, do we throw in the towel? As for all the talk about
the BCS, well it is on it's way out. Trust me, in 3 to 5 years it will be
EddieSorry, bro, but I still side more with SoCalTrueBlue2 than not
on this one. Getting trashed by our rival in our own home means that no matter
how well we do, until we erase that one, there will be a bitter taste in the
mouth.Mostly because no matter how poorly our rival does (did)
(well, okay, poor is a strong word. Let's go with mediocre), they still have
scoreboard and will still be there to rub it in.It's called
unfinished business, and I am already lining up my tickets for RES next fall.
Eddie:"These are young men we are talking about and if they
lose to a rival, so what, do we throw in the towel?"No...you
just schedule a bunch of weak WAC teams to create an appearance of regrouping
and rebounding. Thus far, I'd say mission accomplished. Just look at how many
cougar fans there have been falling all over themselves and showering themselves
with praises by beating Idaho St. and a bunch WAC teams. You've beaten only ONE
team with a winning record, and THAT team finished 7-6; ONE game above .500.
@tj what you like 12? get off the comment boards until you hit 18